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NDorado 3/24/2010 12:02:57 PM

Art Carney was great in Batman but the joke would have been funnier if you mentioned Norton from Honeymoooners.

-- Nick

from City of Kik

http://nickleshi.blogspot.com

DarthDuck 3/24/2010 12:40:00 PM

jedi4sshield - obi-wan having/being a clone was a popular rumor in the mid ninties once the news of the prequels broke.  The name obi-wan, or OB-1, and later being called Ben was what fueled it.  Glad to see it only be a rumor.

masterjedi39 3/24/2010 12:43:27 PM

Like Darkknight2280, I consider myself a True Star Wars Geek. I've been to EVERY Celebration (Yes even the one's in Europe and Japan). I Have some toys. It's not a great collection. I do however have every Lego Star Wars set. I also have all of the early replica lightsabers before Force FX came along (and yes I have all those too). I also have every book (fiction&Non-fiction) and magazine written about Star Wars.  I have most of the originals' cast members autographs. But I guess my biggest claim to fame would have to be I was one of about 90 to 100 fans that got to see Episode III: ROTS at Skywalker ranch where we got some pretty cool exclusive SWAG. I'm more into the Expanded universe stuff these days

As this article implies, I'm obsessed with Star Wars, NOT George Lucas. He is one of the most creative people I know, but he is a horrible director and a lazy story teller/writer. Come on - who honestly didn't know that Leia was his sister? She and Mon Montha were the only females in the series. Those type of story decisions just irk the hell out of me. Instead of making the "face" of the Gungan Race (I will not mention his name) withdrawn, a revolutionary, or in love with the king's daughter; GL makes him a clumsy, aloof idiot. I stood in line (in full jedi costume) 3 days FOR TICKETS to Episode I: TPM. Then I stood in line for a day to actually see the movie. After waiting 16 years, to call what I saw a travesty was being nice. After witnessing TPM, I wanted someone to shoot GL on sight. I realize that's a little harsh, but its how I was felling at the time. I made a promise to myself that day in May of 1999 - I would love and still embrace anything and everything Star Wars, but projects that GL personally had his hands in would be put through a huge magnifying glass.And thats how I have approached Star Wars since then.

The first thing out of GL's mouth is always "..the fans don't 'get' star wars..." I'm sorry but that's BULLSHIT. We "get" it better than he does. We've stuck with Star Wars for 33 years, but we don't "get it"?  He constantly down plays Star Wars greatest (didn't say only) strength (which is the jedi/sith struggle). Every chance he gets to right his mistakes, he compounds them even further. I too cannot wait to see this documentary.

jppintar326 3/24/2010 1:20:45 PM

There is something about the Kenner action figures that remind me when I was a kid and collecting these Star Wars toys.  Yes the Hasbro ones are better and more realistic looking, but there something those Kenner toys that remind me of a simpler time in my life. 

6dra6on6 3/24/2010 2:34:19 PM

George lost it when he figured "cute" was the way to go. If you watch the making of ROTJ there's a scene where one of the production designers was explaining how the Ewoks were originally created to be fierce looking and then George came to them and told them he wanted them to be "cute" instead. Since then he's gone overboard with the "cute" factor in his films. In ep. IV it was cute when Artoo was shot by the Jawas, which were cute but it was restrained and not overblown. It was cute when Chewie was scared of the trash monster. Therein lies the end of the cute factor in that episode. In ESB Yoda was cute at first and then his true manner was revealed and Artoo did a few cute things but it was all restrained. Then ROTJ came out and it was overtly cute, thrown in your face cute, you couldn't get away from the "cute." It was like all the main characters were hamming it up in a vaudeville show it was so damned over the top! The only redeeming factor was the Emperor, Luke and Vader. The rest... Then come the prequels. Oh, the cute was there by the thousands! It just didn't end and, unfortunately, the die was cast and in eps 2 and 3 it was too late but to try their best to reduce the cute a bit - which they did. The only problem I have with eps 2 and 3 is Vader, his whiney bull$h!t and the whole crossing over reason. It was weak and not thought out very well. I never thought of Vader as being a sniveling, whiner but rather someone who was quiet and let his anger boil under the surface until the catalyst which causes him to cross over. And even then he wasn't an extrovert. I also felt the catalyst should've been jealousy. They could've played it up Othello style with the Emperor playing the Iago role pouring poison in Anakin's ear. That would've been so much better and more believable. I think George had a problem with setting him up to be the hero that falls that he couldn't accept him being a total villain when the time came. And I know it was set up for the whole, "I know there's still some good in you..." thing, but it would still have worked with the Othello angle. That's my opinion.

6dra6on6 3/24/2010 2:43:58 PM

Masterjedi39,

I agree with you totally. After watching TPM the first thought I had was, "16 years to develope this and this is the best he can give us?"

His rationalization was: Star Wars was always a children's movie to begin with. That's total bull. Ep 4 was aimed at all ages. Ep. 5 was aimed at all ages. Only when he went insane did the concept change and we get ROTJ and the prequels. Also, if you have to rationalize your work then there's something wrong with it.

I think another problem was that Lucas didn't have to answer to anyone and everyone else was afraid to tell him that he was off his rocker when he started making the prequels. Someone should've stepped up and said, "George, that's stupid. Lets rethink this..."

DarthDuck 3/24/2010 4:46:21 PM

IT'S GEORGE'S F#%*ING MOVIE!

Bottom line, it's his and he can do what he wants with it. With the exception of Jar-Jar, there are the most likely equal and opposing forces for anything in the saga. If you can find ten people that hate the Ewoks, I know I can find ten people that love them! Why do people hate the creatures in the battle of Geonosis but love the Rancor in RotJ? Because in 1983 those people weren't the cynical asholes they grew up to be.

If you like any of it or all it, George is who you should be thanking. You only like ANH, great. Watch it, love it, thank George and move on. "I love him for this but I hate him for that!" You all sound like children.

Look no further than Star Trek if you think it's okay for others to step in and "correct" the vision of the creator. Or Terminator, or Aliens, or Halloween, or Doug (I love you Disney, but man you effed Doug up), or X-Men, or Jurassic Park, or blah, blah, blah infinite list...

DaylightMoon 3/24/2010 8:55:51 PM

If nothing else, these discussions always prove there's a valid market for The People vs. George Lucas!

6dra6on6 3/24/2010 11:04:06 PM

Darth Duck you need to grow up and stop acting like a child. I and others here are merely voicing our opinions and you attack us for it, yet we do not attack you for yours.

I don't like what Georgie did with the films since ESB, deal with it, get over it, cause my opinion changes nothing. Besides, I don't have to like what he's done and Georgie doesn't have to do anything to appease me nor do I expect him too. But, the overwhelming response to the prequels is major disappointment so I know I'm not alone in my feelings and that would indicate that you are among the minority.

I'm a huge fan of Star Wars. I was ten when it came out and it was and still is a major influence in my life but that doesn't mean I'm going to worship everything Georgie does just because he created Star Wars. I reserve the right to personally be objective and critical of what he produces. I also really dig Korn - they're my favorite band, but some of their songs, to me, are horrible while others are awesome and I will not accept everything they put out simply because they're my favorite band. If a song sucks, it sucks. That's the way I am with everything.

Krasch 3/25/2010 6:46:06 AM

I'd kind of agree with Hobbs here.

Lucas is not a bad director. Lucas is an ok writer--because while he is an excellent plottter (i.e. someone who develops the story arcs etc.) he is not particularly good at scriptwriting (i.e. putting the words in people's mouths). Those two elements balance each other out.

That said, the dialogue isn't quite as bad as some would make it. It is heavily influenced by the stylistic genre the films are in. Namely 1930-40's serials. Check any of the classics from that era and the dialogue can get pretty clunky by today's sensibilities.

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