6 Annoying Things Hollywood Needs to Stop Doing Comments - Mania.com


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Ericss09 12/12/2009 10:43:48 AM

This is one of the most ignorant articles I've ever read. If you wonder why I think like that, then read djphillips25's comment. His opinion is very similar to mine and I totally agree with his points.

BryanWay 12/12/2009 1:48:45 PM

Cute article, but you're absolutely dead wrong on two of these.

Clue made an excellent movie, and there's no debating that.

Planning sequels and trilogies in advance insures a connective tissue between the films. Production schedules can be streamlined, we can be assured the same actors will be taking the roles, and we can know in advance whether to wait for the trilogy boxed set on DVD. More importantly, however, I cannot think of a single trilogy that was NOT planned that turned out well. The Wachowski brothers made an excellent film with The Matrix, and when it soared at the box office, they claimed they had always planned it as a trilogy. With the first one, they were trying to make the best movie they could, and since everyone liked the first one, they figured everyone would like anything they did, so they turned out two bloated piles of refuse.

Though Star Wars was not planned as a trilogy (good luck sorting through all of George Lucas' contrary chaff on the subject), Lucas at least had an abundance of ideas. What he would lack later on would be the modesty necessary to revise these ideas and allow others to join in the creative process. The Indiana Jones series would be produced from the same wellspring, saved again by collaboration.

The best modern example would be the Lord of the Rings series. Between the awards garnered, critical praise, and box office response, it's tough to imagine a better franchise model. The movies were made inexpensively (relatively speaking) and in quick order, helping to insure the continuity afforded by the camaraderie of the cast and crew and giving Jackson no time to let the success go to his head. He would suffer that ego boost with King Kong.

scytheofluna 12/12/2009 5:25:30 PM

BryanWay You know, if you hated the second two Matrix films, you can just totally blame that on YOU, for having unrealistic expectations, and a limited understanding of the literature and films that the trilogy drew inspiration from.  They pretty much followed the archetypal messiah story to the letter. The first film most definitely DID open itself up for a larger story arc, and whether the creators had the entire trilogy written and ready for film at that moment was immaterial.  It's fashionable to refer to films like the Matrix Sequels as bloated piles of refuse, but I think this says a lot more about the ego of the person slinging the bile than it does about the films.  Mileage may vary, but I think it's time to cut that franchise some slack, to one degree or another each film was entertaining, action packed and consistent in philosophy and style.  If you watch all three films back to back the story does exactly what they planned for it to do.  King Kong?  What was wrong with King Kong?  I enjoyed that film immensely as well and Jackson's ego had no impact on the final product, he made a remake of the film that inspired him to become a filmmaker.  How can you be cynical about that?  Besides it was a well crafted update of a classic, and it was superior to the previous remake in every way. You're also getting uppity about Star Wars and Indiana Jones which are also popular "angry nerd" targets, and while Star Wars and Indiana Jones weren't planned trilogies per se, they are still considered classics by nearly all accounts. 

Lord of the Rings as a book isn't really a trilogy, so much as a book that took so long to write that it made more sense to break it up into three parts because reader demand was so high.  The films were shot in one consistant shoot, so it wasn't exactly filmed as a trilogy either. 

Maybe you need to just stop watching films, because you seem to be very cynical about them, and it doesn't seem like you get any real enjoyment out of watching them.  Rather you come across as if your pleasure is derived from berating film and filmmakers.  Speak for yourself, your opinions aren't any less valid than anyone elses, but hating on everything is just played out, and when you are merely spewing negativity (no matter how well constructed), it comes off as pompous and arrogant, when you don't supply any qualifications as to why you're bashing these films.  When I express my distaste for certain films, I try to be as clear as to my reasons as possible.  For instance, I can't stand the Spiderman film franchise because they've all but ignored canon for the last two films, and they keep killing off all of the villains.  See, I give an expression of distaste, followed by a reasonable explaination as to why I was displeased.

Hating George Lucas is silly.  Sure he's made some bad choices with some of his franchises, but largely his faults have been in waiting way too long to get on the ball and get things done, and even the imperfect Star Wars films are better than 90% of people give them credit for, (again unreasonable expectations due to hype and anticipation).  Don't give Spielberg a free ride, as he's made some stinkers too, (Lost World, War of the Worlds).   And Crystal Skull wasn't as good as Raiders or Last Crusade, but it was better than Temple of Doom.  Then again, I went into the theatre knowing what to expect, and I didn't get my panties in a wad when the film didn't turn out to be the greatest movie ever made.  It wasn't the worst by any stretch of the imagination.  (I thought I'd get that out of the way just in case they make two more Jones films).  Seriously, if you hate movies so much, read a book, take a walk, go play Nintendo or something.

WarCry 12/12/2009 5:28:59 PM

I think the big deal with planning sequels and such in advance is that they spend a ton of money to buy rights to stuff without worrying about the return on investment. They drop the dollars, but they have no set PLAN for the sequels.

It's successful when it's done like LotR, or Matrix 2 & 3, or even Back to the Future 2 & 3. That is, when you film them all together. Then you've spent the money for the rights, but you're pretty sure at SOME point they're going to be released.

Buying up the rights just so no one else does is just....asinine.


(oh, and before anyone lays into me about Matrix stuff, I was talking about the production/distribution part of the business, not the quality of the final product)

DeeJay4ADay 12/13/2009 12:18:27 PM

Osiris (O-Sigh)... are you serious?

6) If the original Land of the Lost was "completely unwatchable," why try any sort of remake (straight-up or otherwise)? The reality is that the original series found legs in syndication... and making the film version a comedy was one of the main reasons people "just didn't see it" and the film lost millions upon millions of dollars. Your words actually support the point most of us have already made.

5) Your words grossly oversimplify the dialog that has already occurred here. Suffice to say that Eagle, myself and others have already controlled for the minute insight you've offered to the discussion. In fact, we did this months ago.

4, 3 & 1) I agree with the core tenets of your arguments (except for #1) but, again, you've oversimplified the arguments put forth in the article.

2) Because somewhere between 485 and 500 million people have played the game--- giving the movie a huge potential audience, the game itself is culturally relevant and it actually makes sense to continue to covert both stories and experiences to the medium of film.

swarlz813 12/13/2009 7:15:50 PM

Too damn true.

If you're missing anything, it's that they've got to stop stealing the goldmines of other countries. Anime is a huge insustry in Japan, and it's expanding here in the US too, and unfortunately Hollywood is picking up on that. Until now, anime had almost been the internet's little secret (because honestly, most of the people who read manga and watch anime, myself included are also siting in front of the computer scren for several hours in a row). Now, as manga are reaching our average bookstore shelves and anime is showing up on our cable night broadcasting, good ol' Hollywood decides it can make a couple bucks on this.

It's not even as if the anime is long long dead, but in some cases, they've only ended a couple years ago, and in some cases are still ongoing. With word of live-action versions of top anime like Death Note and possible FMA, fans are disturbed, to say the least. Cowboy Bebop, with the eccentric bounty-hunter Spike as it's lead, is going to be Ameicanized, with Keanu Reeves to play our beloved Spike. Really? Keanu Reeves? Hollywood's decided to take our beloved anime and maul it into something fit for our audiences here in America.

I could go on, but I think you get the picture. Hollywood's gotten so much-brained with all the CGI we have available to use that creativity's gone out the window. Now they steal anything they can get from anywhere, whether it's destroying something great or pushing a story already in the mud even further into the ground.

Baalek 12/13/2009 9:19:23 PM

While I have minor quibbles with several of the points on this list, I really have to mention #3.  I understand the point you're trying to make, but you do realize that all of the trilogy examples you listed were not only based on pre-existing books, they were based on book series which had existed for decades?  (Also, The Chronicles of Narnia is not a trilogy.  There are seven books.)  Not planning to film all three books (or seven, in the case of Narnia) in a pre-existing series would be like making a film of one book, but only adapting the first half.  Why commit to part of a series without commiting to the entire series?

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Storymark 12/16/2009 10:15:16 AM

The "remakes are proof Hollywood is out of ideas" thing is just lazy writing.  I'm used to that comment from general folks, but a writer who writes about the industry should know better.  There are plenty of new ideas, and good scripts out there, have a look at the annual Black List for proof. 


It's not a lack of ideas, it's all about the marketing.  It's easier to market an established property.  And with the rare exception of something like District 9, audiences tend to skip the "new" stuff and stick to the familliar.  And the folks complaining endlessly about each remake add to the problem, becuase they're doing just what the suits want - giving them free advertising by keeping the film in the conversation - and then you go see it - maybe just to complain about it - but that matter naught to the bean counters.  They got your money, and the machine keeps rolling - that's all that matters.


Write about the real issue involved, and maybe you'll make some progress.  Float the same tired narrative, and you're just furthering the problem.

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