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BIGGKIDD 11/19/2009 8:50:01 AM

Cant change the troll scene they actually visited it and spoke of it in the LOTR movies that would be unwriting history already depicted..........

FerretJohn 11/19/2009 9:13:37 AM

I've said it before and I'll say it again:  The only major change needed for the Hobbit movie is to toughen up the dwarves.  Not only were Thorin and crew created before LotR and Gimli established what the adventuring fantasy dwarf was, but their basic quest seemed to lack any kind of common sence.  Thirteen dwarves set out on a long cross-country trek, over orc-controlled mountains and through dark giant spider infested woods to reclaim their ancestral home from a powerful and ancient dragon, not one of them brings so much as a knife?  No weapons, no armor, no plan once they get there besides "Let the burglar poke around.", real smart planning their!

Kerrith 11/19/2009 11:42:18 AM

I believe the dwarves were armed before they set out.  Their original plan had them following the main trade route through the misty mountains and across the woods but they detoured into the wilds to stop at Rivendale and they lost the path in the woods.  Also, Gandalf mentioned that the previously safer wilds were becoming more dangerous and more sinister.  We later learn due to the remergence of Sauron in disguise as the necromancer in the south of the woods.  Finally, they had an f-ing wizard with them!  Gandalf in one of only five known wizards in all of Middle Earth.  Do you really think Thorin and company were calling the shots and making the plans?  They most likely just assumed Gandalf was in charge and would steer them right.

JoeArtistWriter 11/19/2009 12:32:02 PM

How can anyone say the guy who wrote this isn't a fan of the book? Whether or not you agree with the points made here, this writer clearly knows and respects the book. He was merely suggesting (in a humorous way for the most part) that there are ways to make this movie as enjoyable as the as the LOTR trilogy.

It's true that The Hobbit isn't anywhere near as adult in tone and theme as the LOTRs. It's fair to express concern(based on the critical and financial success of the movies) that Del Torro consider what help make the trilogy a winner - it was a mature action fantasy adventure. Follow that formula, and success is almost guaranteed. Make it more "kid-friendly" and you may lose more audience than you gain.

He also clearly is concerned there may not be enough source material to pull from to make one compelling movie, but two, without adding some extra stuff, may be tough to pulll off. (See Where the Wild Things Are)

You may not have to actually lose dwarves, but obviously some od them won't get speaking parts.

 

almostunbiased 11/19/2009 1:06:12 PM

I could argue these and I will.  It should be two movies, because it is a complicated long story that could easily be divided.  Enough on that.  All the dwarves need to be there, for comedy relief alone.   Trolls should turn to stone, because they were already shown in the Lord of the rings, moron, so they have to now, idiot.  Plus the trolls were never in sunlight.  The sky was covered by clouds from mount doom.  I agree the war scenes should have looked darker, but the sky was overcast.

Everything else suggested here I am fine with.

Devilcow 11/19/2009 1:08:26 PM

I wrote the article. Great comments, even the negative ones. I want to respond to a few of them...

1) Evil Monkey is right, and I was wrong… you cannot throw out Balin. He is an untouchable dwarf, due to his ill-fated attempt to reclaim Moria. That being said, I knew the idea of getting rid of some dwarves would piss people off (probably rightfully so), but I also know it’s gonna be a pain to keep track of them all. Maybe Joeartistwriter is write… some just don’t get speaking roles and we forget about them. Fine. As for Tkay42one’s point that Bilbo was lucky number fourteen… I know that’s in the book, but it is such a lame justification. The real reason for Bilbo’s inclusion is because Gandalf wants him. As for why Gandalf wants a three-foot homebody with no special skills other than an inordinate love of handkerchiefs, I don’t know… but Gandalf’s one of the Wise, so I won’t question him. Turns out Gandalf was right.

2) I think Evil Monkey was mistaken about the gap material. New Line doesn’t have rights to material from the Silmarillion. They can probably use stuff from the appendices of LOTR, and there are a lot of stories in there.

3) I agree with Walker somewhat… The encounter with the trolls is indeed a big plot point, and you could never get rid of that scene. I just think it’s worth thinking about making that scene end with them not turning to stone because of the arrival of the sun. I’m probably wrong. But you could make it end in violence, and not petrification and it would still work. Walker is 100% wrong about one thing, however… I am a Tolkien fan. My track record with the ladies proves it.

4) Ddiaz28 – I’m with you… no matter how they arrange the movies, I want to see Gandalf get rid of the Necromancer!

5) Starlight Guard...  I would love to produce "Frodo of Love".  12 hobbit lasses are invited to Bag End to compete for the heart of the Shire's most eligible bachelor, Frodo Baggins.  Who will become his Precious?  Sample dialogue from the first epsiode...  "Is that the One Ring of power in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?"  "I don't mind if you in the darkness bind me!" And "why is he always hanging around with Sam the Gardner?"

Look, my basic premise is that I’d like to see a Hobbit that’s closer to the Lord of the Rings and not the Rankin-Bass kiddie movie. And this is a tricky thing to pull off, because the book (which I love) is a kid’s book, and it’s very different in tone from the LOTR books (which I also love).

Also, I mostly wrote this because I wanted to link to Nimoy’s Ballad of Bilbo Baggins. And in that, I’ve succeeded admirably.

superrichtheman 11/19/2009 1:12:56 PM

If Del Toro is directing, it will be dark. and this should be as well.

FerretJohn 11/19/2009 2:50:40 PM

Sorry Kerrith, I got the book right here, read it half a dozen times over the past 30 years, if they had weapons or any other useful equipment beyond general travelling gear they naver said, the only weapons ever mentioned were the three swords (well, two swords and a dagger) they found in the ogre horde, and of course The Ring.  Gandalf made it perfectly clear right at the start that he was only accomanying them part way and he wouldn't be going to Erebor, and Gandalfs role in all the books was as an Advisor, he recommended, gave orders on the emergency situations, but on The Big Decisions the Kings always had the final word, and proud and noble (and arrogant) Thorin, king-in-exile, wasn't one to just stand back and let some wizard, no matter how much of an ally he was, call all the shots when it came to taking back "his" kingdom.  No king would.

StarlightGuard 11/19/2009 4:49:35 PM

I would love to produce "Frodo of Love".  12 hobbit lasses are invited to Bag End to compete for the heart of the Shire's most eligible bachelor, Frodo Baggins.  Who will become his Precious?  Sample dialogue from the first epsiode...  "Is that the One Ring of power in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?"  "I don't mind if you in the darkness bind me!" And "why is he always hanging around with Sam the Gardner?"

Oh, I'll give you that -- maybe call it Shire Of Love.

not gonna make fun of a producer -- but I will make fun of the subjects! Daisy of love? puhlease

besides....as a wannabe hollywood insider, I know damn well you don't insult producers -- you sleep with them :)

jzbeeno 11/19/2009 4:52:23 PM

Wow, there is just nothing like a good hobbit movie!

 

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