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Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Turn Turn Turn Review (Article) - 4/11/2014 7:43:45 AM

Eldogg42: Perhaps I am looking at the character/show through a skewed lense (IIRC, Skye did pop off to May when holding the gun on her).  But the abysmal ratings show that I  am not the only one.  Hell, I stuck with Smallville and X-FIles through the end, and still watch Supernatural, so it's not like I give up on shows easily.  Will see how the season plays out.  Will say, again, that I'm not complaining about the season-long arc, and I  think that the show would have been more successful if it had run the arc in the back drop of introducing known comic heroes/villains to the world of live action.  Perhaps instead of just finding out heroes as they're developing their powers, but having the team deal with lesser known villains as well. 

Put another way, at times it seems like I'm watching a show that stole the tile SHIELD from Marvel, but is trying put its own spin on it (like what Hollywood did to "I Am Legend" and "World War Z").  If they called the show anything but MAOS, would it have the audience/hype that it does/did?   Of course not.  It's not as bad as my movie example, as they have Hydra, Sif, Fury, etc., but it sure does't look like a show set in the Marvel Universe as much as I  think it should.  Maybe I'm expecting too much.

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Turn Turn Turn Review (Article) - 4/10/2014 11:46:17 PM

Eldogg42: I am great, hence my name. ; ) I think that they could have established the characters with a flavor of the week and done a better service to the fans (and perhaps make a better show). Why are most of us watching the show? Because of the characters or actors (aside from Coulson)? No, because it’s Marvel - because there was a hope to see some of heroes in a live action setting. Sure, seeing Agent Koenig and Talbot is interesting, but I think they could have done more with the costumed heroes that will never make to the movies. I didn’t realize that Blackout was going to be on, so thanks for mentioning that. I overlooked that there are other villains they could be using in addition to the heroes. Skye looks ridiculous with a gun, projects no competence, and looks like she’s more likely to shoot her own foot than someone else. Wasn’t suggesting that Ward should have held the gun, given his circumstances. Just another, "Let’s make Skye look like a badass by pointing a gun and talking tough to May." Please. I also had no idea that Ward would turn; just didn’t like the execution.


tjanson: It’s one thing to take Tae Kwon Do or Karate. It’s something completely different to train in combat techniques. And it’s something completely different to actually take those techniques and put them into real life. Look, I’ve trained in martial arts, myself for 15 years. I also have a relative in Special Forces. It’s not apples and oranges, it’s different planets. Maybe too much inside baseball on my part. On Buffy, it was a running joke on how one of the benefits of turning into a vampire was obtaining a 3rd Degree Black Belt. But Buffy became the Slayer and became stronger and faster. Don’t remember what training she had before Giles, but she did have some, as well as - most importantly - real-life combat experience. And they constantly showed her and Giles training in addition to regular fighting on patrols. I guess that’s what I’m focusing on. You don’t become Bruce Lee through training, but through training AND fighting. That’s what’s what missing with Skye. Not silly, crappy writing of the type that happens when the writers/producers want us to like a character that we’re not so inclined. Look kiddies! Skye knows Kung Fu and talk tough to May! Aren’t we beyond accepting people becoming bad asses just because they get powers? Even in the Captain America movie, they depict Steve Rogers as someone who was in a lot of fights as a scrawny wimp because he wouldn’t back down. They didn’t give him magical fighting abilities as in the comic book.


CaptAmerica04: Why am I supposed to stop watching the show? Just because you don’t like/agree with my criticisms? Come on, now. And t.v. is replete with characters who clearly don’t work getting written out of the show; no reason not to admit a mistake and move on. Seriously - what does the character add to the show? If Skye were killed off, what function on the team would be missed (aside from an obvious attempt at being eye candy)? As others have said in defense of her, hacking is common place, so not hard to scare up someone else. She is not Willow, not even close. Tara is more like it, since we’re talking Buffy (aside from being Willow’s love interest, what did she add to the show/Scoobies - zip).


rougue188: If Hand is not truly dead, that would only add to my argument about the poor writing on the series. Who is going to be surprised if that occurs? Talk about being a show full of cliches. I will say that while the first shot was a gut shot, the way Ward walked up and shot her afterwards indicated head shots to me. Could be wrong (better not be). A LMD is the only plausible scenario.


Flyincloud: Great points! Completely agree.


Shogunn2517: Speaking for myself, no, I didn’t see any of the purported twists that occurred in the show coming in previous episodes. I’m saying that while watching Wednesday’s show, I could predict where they were going next. Very annoying. And they could easily go with "villain/plot of the week" while still having a continuous storyline. X-Files did it for years. It’s the Marvel Universe, and heroes/villains are everywhere. With the ratings tanking, ti’s obvious that people have not connected with the characters. Time to go in another direction.


Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Turn Turn Turn Review (Article) - 4/10/2014 6:50:33 AM

samson: The only reason why Ward’s true beliefs would be up in the air is because of the show’s crappy writing. They have so forced Skye down our throats that it is believable he shot the guy to protect her. Believable in the sense that the idiot writers would think it makes sense and be a surprising plot twist. Hand’s "Is she or isn’t she" falls under the same story - you’re a loyal S.H.I.E.L.D. agent, so your first step in finding out whether the other agents on the plane are loyal - after already determining that a member of the team was - is to blindly air out the plane with automatic gunfire? Please. Agreed that the other "twists" were easily foreseen. Love the Weird Science reference.


blankczech: When launching a t.v. show set in the Marvel Universe, it is beyond stupid to not have characters that even casual fans recognize be a part of the show while becoming familiar with the new characters. Show initially seemed to be a semi-"Monster of the Week" in finding people with abilities (Skye and Deathlok). They could have continued with that as a background story and bringing on known heroes in their early career stages. That would draw an audience in beyond adolescent comic book reading males.


Eldogg42: Different strokes for different folks. As someone who watched BtVS from Day One, and having a peripheral knowledge of Dollhouse, I reject the comparison of Skye to being a typical Whedon female. I’m sure he intended on her being that, but the execution has been so badly botched. Agree that Ward killing the agents is a Whedon move, but again, the setup was so bad. For Angel, his initial turning evil was a complete shock, but well set up in developing the character. His subsequent turns were also logically developed. There is no such background here. He’s been the loyal "heavy hitter" banging one agent, wanting another. Nothing to suggest he was acting duplicitous, as they did with May. Having him turn would have been no different, and no less reasonable, than Fitz or Simmons turning. And I can say poor writing. I am familiar with Whedon’s shows, and that is part of the reason I am still sticking around. I’m not calling for A-Listers - I’d just like to see someone from the Marvel Universe, like Deathlok, that is a known quantity that would be cool to see on t.v. (I think that Fox is missing out on Spider-Man - there are dozens of Spider-Man bad guys, why not show him beating up on some of the lesser-known guys, like the Beetle or the Prowler, in a montage?).


Mayhem: I hate the character of Skye because she is simply beyond believable, the writers are clearly forcing her to the forefront in order make her more important to the show, and I cannot believe they couldn’t find someone better than Ms. Bennet for the role (every other character was decently cast). If you know anything about martial arts, it takes years to become a competent street fighter. Same thing with being able to handle a firearm. Yet because the writers/producers want her to be a popular character, she’s out there taking on trained people twice her size. With May, entirely believable that she’s a badass. Clearly forced here. Just a botched character that needs to be eliminated, or sent in a different direction (like if she becomes Jessica Drew, as others have speculated). I laughed when Skye was the second gun on May - May would have taken out Coulsen and walked 10 feet towards Skye, and Skye would have missed every shot. Just stupid. I’m still watching the show, but patience wearing thin.


lazarus: Resorting to the "if you think you can do better" routine is juvenile. One doesn’t have to be Michael Jordan or Peyton Manning to comment on the performance of professional athletes.


Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Turn Turn Turn Review (Article) - 4/9/2014 6:46:36 PM

ElBaz13:  Good post.  I would love it if Skye turns out to be Jessica Drew.  At least initially.  Still concerned about Chloe Bennet's ability to pull it off, but the way they're handling the character right now is disastrous.  Hope you're correct about Ward (and Tripp and Deathlok).  Presume Ward's wanting to talk with Skye before he turned was supposed to be a sentimental gut bench when the revelation occurred.  Fell flat and, again, seemed forced; another crappy attempt to manipulate our emotions.  Poor writing is my biggest problem with the show.

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Turn Turn Turn Review (Article) - 4/9/2014 6:39:35 PM

tjanson:  Yes, God is good.  I'm hoping against hope that they do the right thing and kill off a hated character that they clearly miscast and miswrote, and stop this silly nonsense of forcing her down our throats by making her the hub of the show through which all of the other plots/characters are run through.  I  acknowledge that the likelihood of the writers/producers doing the right thing and fixing the problem instead of doubling down isn't good, but what else are talkback shows if not for venting?  Believe me, if they somehow could make the character relevant (and teach her to act), I'd be happy, because that would make the show better.  But all I see is pre-drug addled Lindsay Lohan, and the way everyone becomes overwraught about her, she magically "knows kung fu," and can penetrate highly encrypted computers is just insulting.

rougue188: Agree with tjanson.  Simply no way he's infiltrating Hydra, barring a pathetic act of writing.  Sure, he didn't say, "Hail Hydra," and one would think that Paxton would know whether they were on the same team and act like it (unless, of course, pathetic writing).  And putting 3 bullets into Hand - if that's a fakeout, beyond ridiculous.  But I suppose they could be doing the old, "Ward will go undercover to uncover Hydra, and will shoot 3 agents with paintball guns to fake his way in).

I want to like this show in the worst way, which is why I'm still watching.  But it's getting harder to do.  Maybe once the Netflix shows get up and running we can start to see some crossovers, since theyre loathe to do it with the movie characters.  If Marvel thinks people are going to continue to watch this show with the characters they've given us (aside from Coulson and May), they're sadly mistaken.

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Turn Turn Turn Review (Article) - 4/9/2014 4:31:24 PM

Skye lived, so that was a huge downer.  Poorly written and executed "moment" between her and Ward ("Oh, you're banging May, but you LOVE me - yes, let's have coffee" - UGH!!).  Another idiot plot point - Ward's being in custody for shooting guy thought to be the Clairvoyant, thinking that he was a turncoat, but then allowed to escort the real Clairvoyant?  So no thought is given that he might help the real one escape?  And his shooting the other guy is just forgotten?  Dumb.

If the show is saved for a 2nd year, it'll be because CA:WS saved it, and nothing more.  Could not be more disappointed in this show.  It's like Fox is behind it, not Marvel.

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: The End of the Beginning Review (Article) - 4/3/2014 9:44:17 PM

Tim Janson: Thanks for acknowledging the show trying to show that Skye is REALLY IMPORTANT to the show. My interpretation is that the producers know how much the character is reviled, but instead of getting rid of her they are doubling down and trying to make her integral to the show (doing things only she can/having the other agents flip out over her as if she were Jasmine on Angel). A more cynical approach would be that the producers were giving us fans the middle finger by ramming her down our throats to prove they’re smarter than us. They way she was feted outside the building as if she were sooooooooo f—ing important almost made turn the show off. Just sickening. Really takes away from the show.


I continue to think that the show is screwing up big time by trying to make these agents the stars of the show instead of using them as background characters to leap from one Marvel character to another. There are hundreds of characters that will never see the light of day in a movie (like Deathlok). Why not use them. Instead of a "monster of the week" series, we could have a "hero of the week (or two)" series. Give us the White Tiger, Shang-Chi, Cloak and Dagger, Nightstalkers, Moon Knight, Werewolf By Night, Namora, Darkhawk, Solo, Paladin, Wonder Man, Silver Sable, Spider-Woman, etc. Hell, could even drop an A-list character in there a couple of times a year. Understand that with Netflix giving us Daredevil, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist that some of these characters may get brought into that show. Hell, even if they wanted to avoid that, there is a huge number of villains to draw from. Focusing on Spider-Man’s gallery of foes who’ll never make the big screen alone would keep the show on the air for years. They just don’t get that we, the audience, wants to see characters from the comics in a live action show.


If they don’t make the Clairvoyant a known Marvel character, then I think the show will have missed another huge opportunity. That would get the fan base (i.e., the vast majority of the show’s audience) jumping, and would draw in new viewers/recapture old ones who gave up on the show. Even if it’s Bill Paxton, most people are going to think the whole exercise was pointless and not worth their time. Getting that way for me. 


Arrow: Birds of Prey Review (Article) - 3/30/2014 9:44:03 AM

For God's sake, what horrible crap this episode was.  Again, why in the Hell do the idiot producers not have a consultant with a legal/law enforcement background?  Lance punching the SWAT guy would result in his immediate arrest and prosecution, not to mention being fired.  Secondly, the idiot ADA who used Laurel as a decoy without telling her would also be prosecuted, as well as disbarred.  And stop with this, "I know people on the disciplinary committee."   That'll get you nowhere - even talking about a "favor" would result in ethics charges.  Complete crap.  Finally, Laurel's use of blackmail to get her job back is incomprehensible.  If the DA didn't authorize the decoy and fired the ADA, then go ahead and have a press conference.  It would have been slightly more believeable if she had threatened a multi-million lawsuit for endangering her.

That last point emphasizes my biggest problem with this show - how it tires to be a weekday afternoon soap opera.  Overly dramatic/illogical/unrealistic plots plague the show.  Moira Queen would feel right at home on Young and the Restless.  Lance's inability to recognize Ollie as the Arrow.  Sara dyking it up with another equally hot lesbo.  And that equally hot lesbo, being a dangerous assasin, waltzes right up to airport security without any attempt at disguising herslef  (and the rent-a-cop holding a gun 2 inches from her), etc.  Completely takes away from the otherwise good acting/characters in Ollie, Felicity, and Diggle. 

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Yes Men Review (Article) - 3/13/2014 7:52:21 AM

ElBaz13 - yes, noticed the rape aspect.  TV shows have used the love potion aspect before, but never show the after effects (Buffy with Xander, even though no sex there).  Sort of like high school boy with attractive teacher; no one focuses on fact that a crime occurred (as best demonstrated by South Park - Nice).  But I think they had an out with Ward indicating that he knew he was under her spell, but didn't care, which may be why he didn't shoot her when she started (slowly) walking up to him behind the bar.  Another aspect of the stupid writing on this show - Lady Sif explicitly tells them that she'll entrance a man if she touches them, and possibly through voice alone, yet they send in a virtually all-male squad with no ear plugs.

Makabriel - yes, I  know that's how they talk.  But it doesn't mean (a) it's an old cliche that (b) was entirely predictable prior to the show even started.  Since I  know that, and presumably you know that, why couldn't something different had been said?

It'll be interesting to see how this plays in with the movies, with Odin/Loki being responsible for Lady Sif's instructions to capture Lorelai alive.

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Yes Men Review (Article) - 3/12/2014 8:09:54 PM

I'll also add that I  don't care how bad-ass May is, when a guy as big and as skilled as Ward punches a woman the size of May, her jaw/cheek bone would be broken, and she'd have been knocked out (and don't get me started on the damage that Lorelei should have done to her).


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