hey hobbs, if you haven't gotten it, you really need to find Shatner's "Star Trek Movie Memories" book
find a hardcover if at all possible...it's a big book...and it actually gives a lot of the detail on the behind the scenes squabbling
Trek 1 -- Roddenberry had been watching Close Encounters and Star Wars, and decided to greatly up the visuals....he put in those long, snail paced flyby's of the Enterprise...
plus the director never really had a chance to view the final cut because they really were debuting a "rough cut" of the movie at their world premier....no one had ever seen just how long and tedious it was, they only saw bits and pieces out of order
I haven't seen the special edition of this, it's so hard to find in this particular area, the visuals were very good for this movie, but even the crew felt the actors were buried under all the special effects....a sort of precursor to the Star Wars Prequels
Trek 2 - this movie went through like 5 or 6 completely different drafts before Nick Meyer got ahold if it......he rewrote it all in 12 days.....awesome stuff...I do have this one on special edition...I was fine with the changes...and the expanded role of Scotty's nephew
Trek 3 - I'm not sure if Carol Marcus was kept out intentionally or not.....I will have to look that up, but since it's more about Spock, I don't think it ever truly entered Harve Bennett's mind to pursue that relationship.....although there is the scene in spacedock where Enterprise shows her scars and in some lounge a blond woman stands up in somewhat shock.....I've often wondered if that was meant to be Carol, only recast in some form...
Trek 4 - see, they can make a standard Trek movie that appeals to all audiences
Trek 5 - Shatner, blame Shatner, that's all I can say.....he wanted rock creatures, he talks about that in his book, he also wanted angelic beings that become devils intent on bringing the crew into hell on the planet surface
I'll forgive this one on only one cause -- Shatner was watching all these televangelists, and got to thinking "how is it these people can manipulate the masses in such a means?" he was watching Tammy Faye Baker and her husband, and all the rest....his starting point was fine, but after that it all just went to hell...
Trek 6 - a tribute to Roddenberry, yes, did he like what he saw? absolutely not. he knew of the story they'd tell, and his opinion was Kirk and crew should say "we want to help you, come let us cooperate" while the Klingons wanted nothing to do with it
Roddenberry did die in this timeframe, and everyone was thinking of how to honor him, I think it was Leonard Nimoy who came up with the tribute at the beginning....because, honestly, since Trek 2 Roddenberry had been cast aside and Paramount let him make Star Trek TNG basically to shut him up, and milk more money from Star Trek
Generations -- both crews were supposed to encounter each other...in fact both ships were to come across a time rift to encounter each other, but most of the TOS crew said "we'd said our goodbyes" and in a much better fashion with Trek 6
they were right...Trek 6 was a feast, Generations was sort of like fastfood...there's a big difference between Nick Meyer and Brannon Braga....I did like the somewhat mystical, new age feel of Generations and the Nexus (in fact I'd like to see the nexus again somewhere)
originally the idea to crash the Enterprise was to be the season finale for TNG
First Contact -- originally the Borg were going back to Renaissance Italy, but thankfully that didn't happen....great movie
Insurrection -- another great movie, if a bit undervalued -- loved F. Murray Abraham as the villain...he makes a good villain, even in "Amadeus"
Patrick stewart wanted to do something more light hearted....this movie also underwent its countless rewrites, so much that as it was screened, Trek fans felt it was becoming a chick flick, given the relationship of Picard and...well I can't think of her name right now.....my only complaint is the CGI probes look too CGI
Nemesis -- I heard John Logan was writing this, and immediately got very, very excited....I'd kill to see his final draft of this script
Logan is a devoted Trek fan (and it shows) but some of his terminology is still rooted in TNG, when we've had a good ten years for it to grow...the intent of exploring an evil Picard (in a sense) was okay...didn't really need another Data....it did really try to be Wrath of Khan and shouldn't have....
and why the hell did the Starfleet Taskforce not realize something was going on when the Enterprise never showed up? they should've come charging in like the calvary, only to also get slaughtered by Shinzon.....oh, and then the crippled Enterprise could've been ignored, only to have them slam into the ship while Shinzon's not looking.....
I just thought of that, that'd be better than what happened......but Logan's long drawn out battle doesn't feel drawn out in the least.....
11 one of my biggest issues is the "commercialization" of Trek -- we now have Abram's logo in front of the movie, which takes away the authenticity....it's like it's now "star trek, brought to you by pepsi, drink pepsi cause Kirk does" kind of thing
whew
but that book movie memories is awesome, I'm re-reading parts of it to hopefully shake some of my rose colored vision of hollywood








Dragon Slayer?
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