redvector, I wrote in a colum or in the comment boxes weeks ago I suspect Shane may have tagged Lori before she actually married Rick, and probably always had an attraction. Curious if that pans out.

elbaz, yes for Bernthal's Emmy nom, and agreed with the amazing ending

johnwhitetoledo, I do kind of wish Shane still meets his end the same way he does in the books, but it won't bother me if he doesn't. Though I half suspect he may never die in this version.

xJokers, I didn't see that one coming at all, and I usually pride myself on seeing these things. I was way off on my guess that she and Carl would become involved it never entered my head she'd be in that barn.

Wiseguy, I think Shane wins a hand to hand battle with Rick, but Rick eventually wins the war.

trollman, I love the idea that Hershel knew Sophia was in the barn. That would make a lot of sense. That will only cause more conflict. Great call.

Roqueja, I'm completely with you in regards to the book vs TV show. I enjoy the fact I don't know what happens next, yet other times they adhere very close to the source.

Artemisdigital, thank you for the kind words. 25 points to you for posting first.

dalgoda, I think it's a lock that Shane gets an ass beating at some point, but I can also see him handing out a few. It would be interested to see him kick Rick's ass in front of Lori and Carl.

wieas, it'll get here.... unless some sort of epidemic hits the Earth and people turn into fleash-eating zombies.

wish, thaqnk you for the nice words, and yes, Shane is one of the most compelling characters on TV right now.

jedi, as a rabid fan of the graphic novels I see your point, but I definitely go the other way. I'm glad I don't know what's coming next, and as someone mentioned in these posts, the show has been true to the essence of each character. Some just live longer than others. It's a fine televised Elseworlds version. I'm happy with it.

sythe, you're gonna have to let it go man. I was pissed Joker died at the end of Burton's Batman. I also had other issues with that movie, so while I was upset it took some liberties, I still enjoyed the movie enough. I give that one a B-. This show has been an A-/B on average.

Ryodin, I'm bold enough to admit the sight of Sophia shocked me even after I saw her shoes. Normally I'm on this stuff, but I was misdirected.

goirish83. no arguments.

iceknight, Too busy to read that Govenor book, but I'm only hearing greatthings about it. Maybe I'll ask for it for Christmas.

And yes, Rick kills Sophia because he does feel responsible, which makes him more heroic.

I don't think Shane froze at the sight of Sophia out of fear. He and the others did freeze though. Rick stepped up and did the hard work. It's easy to shoot nameless faceless zombies - especially when you believe you have righteous anger, but when faced with placing a bullet in the head of a previously innocent, and fairly battered little girl, who we all thought might prosper now that her abusive father was no longer alive, the mob couldn't make that hard decision.

Shane has made some hard decisions, and he does have points about Rick endangering the group, but Rick's errors can be chalked up to his humanity. Shane's flaws are because he's losing his.

It will be interesting to see how long Rick can hold on to what makes him heroic.

Whoa! Love the passion here. Didn't expect these numbers at this point, but glad to see the comment boxes filling up. I'll do my best to comment individually when I get a chance, and I'll be checking throughout the day.

Some great comments, valid complaints and interesting calls.

Still looking for more comments on who wins in the What If Darryl vs Shane fight. So far Shane is the favorite, and I'm with the majority there.

axia777, last season I'd have said the show was just as good as the comics. This season I'd say the comics are great, the show is very good and can be great. I'm happy they don't stick to the books as gospel. I like the surprises they're throwing at me.

Great comments from everyone. Glad to see we're all passionate about this show. Again, for the record I love this show, just wasn't crazy about the last episode. I'm expecting big things from this Sunday's installment. Please keep the comments flowing and HAPPY THANKSGIVING to you all.

HotDogs, I didn't miss that. It was clear there's a major confrontation coming. I just thought Dale didn't handle things the way they've represented Dale. Seemed way out of character to me.

scytheofluna, I do read the books and love them. It's true the books are better than the show, but the show has been excellent. Thiis last episode didn't work for me, but it was really the first one I was disapppointed in. Even when it's not great it's still better than 95% of what's on TV.

hfc7036, I feel like a broken record here but I love this show, just didn't love this episode. I agree with you the character development and dialogue has been great EXCEPT for this week's treatment of Dale. That seemed like a different human being to me, and a dumber one at that. I can't write my reasons agin, but they are spattered over previous comments. You say Dale's a dimwit. That's mu point. He isn't, and hasn't been in the previous 11 episodes. This week didn't feel like the moves Dale would make.

InnerSanctum, I only found out about the Darabount firing and the budget cuts after the first show of this season aired. I think both have shown. Not enoiugh to ruin the show, but enough to go from amazing to good. I love the comic but also love the fact that Shane's still around here - and may be forever. Daryll is a great character.

DaForce, I wonder who would have the balls as well as the financial freedom to try to get out of their contract. My guess might be Norman Reedus. Hope I'm wrong, but it's a chance. Though now that I'm thinking about it, the actors who play Dale, Andrea and Carol were in Darabount's movie, "The Mist," and might feel a loyalty to him. Maybe that's why the writers suddenly made Dale so reckless - they're setting him up for a kill. Just spitballing here.

JonnyRotten, I think I'll be proven right with that prophecy. I hope it's not Darryl either, but I understand the fact that you will forever hold a grudge my way. 

hanso, I see what you're getting at now. Yeah, my undersatnding of the "morning after" pill is the same as yours. Maybe Lori out of desperation took as many as she took thinking it might solve her pregnancy problem. The point was made moot after she threw them up seconds later though.

calhob, thanks for the knid words. I do get what the writers are trying to do with the Sophia story, I just think it hasn't had the effect they were hoping for. 6 weeks in audience time is a lot for nothing to happen. I'm obviously not alone in that thinking. And by the way, I do have a vague recollection of what Sophia looked like, but I wouldn't guarantee I'd spot her in a group of 12 seventh grade girls.

samson, I agree with your take on Rick's rationale, it just seemed that he got over it way too quick. I've suspected much lesser things and later learned they were true and didn't handle them that well. Maybe the world gone to hell gives Rick a much different perspective, but it stilll seemed like a shockingly brief amount of time to be cool with it. I do like your Merle/Sophia theory.

TheMovieGuy, I learned long ago to copy every response I post here. Not sure why, but sometimes this site eats posts. The way I understood the Dale chartacter is he should have had a plan. He's had plans in the past - plans he's kept to himself and were pretty clever. Like the fact he had that Winnebago up and running but pretended he was still working on it so the convoy wouldn't leave without Sophia. That's a wise old man, and that's what Dale is/was. He showed no tact or strategy confronting Hershel. That seemes out of character. His "plan" regarding Lori was hamfisted. Again, no tact, and that hasn't been him. He's been tactful in the past. The Shane move may have been the most forgivable because the heart is involved, but it was also his dumbest move strategically speaking. He's made a lethal enemy. Clearly the writers were setting that up, but I would have preferred them to keep Dale as a more clever, less reactionary character. We've never seen him like that before, and it rang as false to me. Thanks for your kind words too.

That said, I'm still loving this show. I may also wind up giving an A to a show half of you think is a C. That's all part of this forum. Looking forward to better shows in the future, and I'm hopeful that will happen.

or rather her request was spoken off-camera.

hanso, that is my understanding. If memory serves, Glenn volunteered to get her whatever she needed. I believe her request was unspoken, but Glenn brought back the pre-natal viatamins as an option in case she changed her mind.

I appreciate the support jedi. for the most part.   ;)