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Walking Dead: Secrets Review (Article) - 11/24/2011 9:14:20 AM

HotDogs, I didn't miss that. It was clear there's a major confrontation coming. I just thought Dale didn't handle things the way they've represented Dale. Seemed way out of character to me.

scytheofluna, I do read the books and love them. It's true the books are better than the show, but the show has been excellent. Thiis last episode didn't work for me, but it was really the first one I was disapppointed in. Even when it's not great it's still better than 95% of what's on TV.

hfc7036, I feel like a broken record here but I love this show, just didn't love this episode. I agree with you the character development and dialogue has been great EXCEPT for this week's treatment of Dale. That seemed like a different human being to me, and a dumber one at that. I can't write my reasons agin, but they are spattered over previous comments. You say Dale's a dimwit. That's mu point. He isn't, and hasn't been in the previous 11 episodes. This week didn't feel like the moves Dale would make.

InnerSanctum, I only found out about the Darabount firing and the budget cuts after the first show of this season aired. I think both have shown. Not enoiugh to ruin the show, but enough to go from amazing to good. I love the comic but also love the fact that Shane's still around here - and may be forever. Daryll is a great character.

DaForce, I wonder who would have the balls as well as the financial freedom to try to get out of their contract. My guess might be Norman Reedus. Hope I'm wrong, but it's a chance. Though now that I'm thinking about it, the actors who play Dale, Andrea and Carol were in Darabount's movie, "The Mist," and might feel a loyalty to him. Maybe that's why the writers suddenly made Dale so reckless - they're setting him up for a kill. Just spitballing here.

JonnyRotten, I think I'll be proven right with that prophecy. I hope it's not Darryl either, but I understand the fact that you will forever hold a grudge my way. 

Walking Dead: Secrets Review (Article) - 11/24/2011 8:52:17 AM

hanso, I see what you're getting at now. Yeah, my undersatnding of the "morning after" pill is the same as yours. Maybe Lori out of desperation took as many as she took thinking it might solve her pregnancy problem. The point was made moot after she threw them up seconds later though.

calhob, thanks for the knid words. I do get what the writers are trying to do with the Sophia story, I just think it hasn't had the effect they were hoping for. 6 weeks in audience time is a lot for nothing to happen. I'm obviously not alone in that thinking. And by the way, I do have a vague recollection of what Sophia looked like, but I wouldn't guarantee I'd spot her in a group of 12 seventh grade girls.

samson, I agree with your take on Rick's rationale, it just seemed that he got over it way too quick. I've suspected much lesser things and later learned they were true and didn't handle them that well. Maybe the world gone to hell gives Rick a much different perspective, but it stilll seemed like a shockingly brief amount of time to be cool with it. I do like your Merle/Sophia theory.

TheMovieGuy, I learned long ago to copy every response I post here. Not sure why, but sometimes this site eats posts. The way I understood the Dale chartacter is he should have had a plan. He's had plans in the past - plans he's kept to himself and were pretty clever. Like the fact he had that Winnebago up and running but pretended he was still working on it so the convoy wouldn't leave without Sophia. That's a wise old man, and that's what Dale is/was. He showed no tact or strategy confronting Hershel. That seemes out of character. His "plan" regarding Lori was hamfisted. Again, no tact, and that hasn't been him. He's been tactful in the past. The Shane move may have been the most forgivable because the heart is involved, but it was also his dumbest move strategically speaking. He's made a lethal enemy. Clearly the writers were setting that up, but I would have preferred them to keep Dale as a more clever, less reactionary character. We've never seen him like that before, and it rang as false to me. Thanks for your kind words too.

That said, I'm still loving this show. I may also wind up giving an A to a show half of you think is a C. That's all part of this forum. Looking forward to better shows in the future, and I'm hopeful that will happen.

 

 

Walking Dead: Secrets Review (Article) - 11/23/2011 4:39:17 PM

or rather her request was spoken off-camera.

Walking Dead: Secrets Review (Article) - 11/23/2011 4:38:38 PM

hanso, that is my understanding. If memory serves, Glenn volunteered to get her whatever she needed. I believe her request was unspoken, but Glenn brought back the pre-natal viatamins as an option in case she changed her mind.

 

Walking Dead: Secrets Review (Article) - 11/23/2011 2:48:57 PM

I appreciate the support jedi. for the most part.   ;)

 

Walking Dead: Secrets Review (Article) - 11/23/2011 2:37:31 PM

conundrum, I'm sure you're right about Sophia. That would make sense given they're touting this show as the mid-season finale. I hope I do like it and expect to like it. I just didn't care for ths week's episode, and apparently I lot of people are annoyed with me for that.

Walking Dead: Secrets Review (Article) - 11/23/2011 2:35:20 PM

yes, you can has my job

Walking Dead: Secrets Review (Article) - 11/23/2011 2:27:46 PM

that was supposed to read "all A's, B's and B plusses."

Walking Dead: Secrets Review (Article) - 11/23/2011 2:25:00 PM

calhob, how have the grades for this show been all over the place? Until this episode they've all been A's B 's and B's. Hardly vast differential. There was character development if you count making much Dale dumber as development.

if you read my past reviews you'll notice I've loved the character building they've been doing this season. Check them all out.. I'll wait here................................................... You're back. Good. Now just apologize to me and we'll be fine.

I didn't love it.

Also, if the girl who plays Sophia knocked on my door I wouldn't know her. I would every other character, but I haven't seen her in 6 weeks, and she probably never spent more than 3 minutes on screen this season. I don't feel bad about that.

I also realize it's maybe been a week, but the writers have to realize 6 weeks for us can drag when that particular storyline has gone nowhere. No Where. That kind of writing doesn't get high marks from me, and by the way, why the hell would I find someone else to do my job? What kind of sense would that make?

Walking Dead: Secrets Review (Article) - 11/23/2011 1:55:44 PM

Clearly I'm in the minority here, but I watched the show twice and I can't give it better than a C for the reasons I stated. IMO Dale did not at all act in character, the story with Sophia has dragged on so long and her own mother never seemed that upset, AND Rick's quick rationalization all got low scores from me, and thos scores go against whatever tension was bulit (I still mainatain the zombies just popping out of nowhere felt like cheating) and the positive character turn Andrea may now be on.

There were some A moments, but I felt the Dale character in particular was so poorly handled that everything he was a part of, and it was a lot this episode deserved an F.

I didn't see this moment as Dale taking the bull by the horns, I just saw him make choices his character wouldn't likely have made. Dale is keeping TDog's drug rambling rant as a secret. He's been the voice of reason in the past. He could and should have handled each and every encounter much differently. It felt out of character for him to barge ahead with either no plan, or a bad plan.

Sure, he could have approached Hershel, but I felt his character would be wise enough to feel out the situation before he put all the cards on the table. That's the move of a brash,immature teenager, not someone in their 60's. Same goes for every confrontation he got himself into this week.

It felt like I was watching a different charater. More to come.

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