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Smallville: Series Finale Review (Article) - 5/24/2011 2:22:20 PM

Tjanson, brysarro

First its so refreshing to have a conversation on this site which involves a difference of opinions that does degenerate immediately into the personal... thank you.

The really frustrating thing about Smallville is that they can get it right sometimes, so you know they know how to do it.  Its one thing if they never gave us a good battle, but they have in the past and really why not this time... in the finale for heaven's sake.  I would have settled for something like the knockdown Clark had with Connor Kent.  Nothing to write home about but some good shots there.  And in the past they've had some really good well choreographed rumbles:  Jonathan Kent and Clark, Lex/Zod and Clark, Bizarro and Clark.  So why not just give us a little of that.

Second, I haven't heard from a single person who wasn't dissapointed by not seeing one full size shot of Welling in the suit.  If they couldn't do it for legal reasons, they should leak that out.  I can't believe it was some kind of ego thing for Welling.  If it was for neither of those reasons, but a writing choice it is simply inexcusable.

Third, they do know how to tell a story arc over several episodes.  They did it with Zod and the kandorians last year.  That made the finale so much more fulfilling.  Why not do that this year.  What would it have taken, a scene or two subplot every week to advance the tale of the ultimate evil villain?  And there certainly were episodes this year that wouldn't have been hurt a bit by having five minutes pared from the A-plot.  That's the frustrating part, you know they know how to do it.  So why the hell didn't they?

Smallville: Series Finale Review (Article) - 5/20/2011 2:34:42 PM

Great One,

I think they indicated that the dots converging on Ollie's position were members of Rick Flagg's suicide squad.

As to your second point I completely agreed and the scene between clark and Lex made no sense to me either.

Smallville: Series Finale Review (Article) - 5/19/2011 8:59:03 AM

jacenblade, tjanson, ponyboy, I appreciate your point of view but I respectfully disagree.

The first time I came on this site I had a long running disagreement with Joe about "Collateral" (I think that was what it was called, it was the matrix rip off episode).  I liked it and point by point told him where I thought he was wrong.  We went on for pages and never agreed.  But here's the point, it never got nasty.  I never made it personal and neither did he.  I suppose you could look back at the posts for that review, but why bother.  Joe alot of time takes it to the show's writers and I think people mistake that for a personal attack on them.

Over the course of time I've come over to Joe's way of thinking somewhat, but not completely.  For example, I liked the wedding stuff (and I know I'm in the vast minority there).  But I've always viewed Smallville as a love story/character study with a superhero backdrop and not the other way around.  The problem is the writers left too many plot lines dangling for too long and they didn't give themselves time to adequately adress all of them at the end. I was saying five weeks ago that the ending battle would be ala Doomsday and it turned out to be exactly that.  Poor planning and improper use of the time they had ended up dooming this finale from the beginning.

This season started out well and then they just got lost in the middle and never recovered.

Smallville: Series Finale Review (Article) - 5/17/2011 6:40:12 AM

Lazarus, I stand corrected

Jawbreaker.  Oops.  Nice call.  You're right.

Smallville: Series Finale Review (Article) - 5/16/2011 9:33:18 PM

Oh, and as to my "Joe will own you" comment please refer back a few pages to the Lazarus tet a tet... nuff said...

Smallville: Series Finale Review (Article) - 5/16/2011 9:31:14 PM

In the immortal words of C.S. Lewis (Narnia Author, John Carter of Mars, etc.) "A children's story written just for children is a bad children's story" that is the heart of the problem here.  I think they thought they could just roll the balls out, let superman play a little, and we'd buy whatever they were selling.  They were wrong.  The writing for superman, the high value, almost godlike hero doesn't have to be just alright, it has to be better than good, because it is a hard story to write.  Better bring your A game.  Too bad these writers rarely did.

Smallville: Series Finale Review (Article) - 5/16/2011 9:22:08 PM

Hanzo...

That all appears to be INSIDE INFORMATION... are you and Joe dating or something??? Enquiring minds want to know...

Smallville: Series Finale Review (Article) - 5/16/2011 9:16:21 PM

Lets see, getting sentimental... I came onto this site about November last year, and I came across a whole host of people who thought my favorite show was crap... so I dove in and sparred with Joe and a lot of you... I can't even remember the show I was defending... one of the Lane family shows, Dad or Mom comes back or maybe it was death of Hawkman... it doesn't matter...

The thing I remember was, this guy is paid to critique the show, its not personal... so I slugged it out with Joe on points I thought I could make... I didn't make it personal and neither did he... he made me realize something... I could explain away the faults in the writing... what he made me realize is that I shouldn't have too... the writers should have saved me the trouble... After a bit of reflection I appreciated that...

So here's the deal boys and girls... if you want to spar with old Joe, you set the rules... if you want to have a intellectual squabble over plot points, he'll do that... if you want to hurl insults... good luck, because he will come back at you... in the words of Kurt Russell " You brought down the thunder, now you've got it"  I've been watching this for a few months and anybody who wants to play that game with Joe, go ahead but by the end of the day he will own you, and by the way, he will make all of us kibitzers laugh our ass off...

The review is always funny, but sometimes the battle in the squares between Joe and the pretenders to the crown... is so much better...

Smallville: Series Finale Review (Article) - 5/16/2011 3:09:47 PM

Okay friends and neighbors two things that will hopefully put this whole thing to bed (yeah like that's got going to happen);

1.  Eyeballs sell TV shows and movies, not reviews.  There have been so many TV shows and movies that were of questionable value (i.e. crap) that boatloads of people went to see.  If they attract attention (i.e., moviegoiers, tv audiences for advertisers) they stay on or have sequels made.  If people are watching no one gives a damn about the reviews.  Period.

2.  I'm sure mania didn't hire Joe to give a pedestrian review of this show.  They hired him to criticize and BE ENTERTAINING.  Humor involves sarcasm, exaggeration, mock emotions (rage, self-mutiliation).  There are a bunch of people that review this show every week (or did).  People come here because love him or hate him, Joe is funny and entertaining as well as thought provoking.  Its part of his job to attract an audience and judging by the number of posts here (over 100) it looks like Mania is getting its money's worth.

Smallville: Series Finale Review (Article) - 5/15/2011 9:07:02 AM

Gopher, Duck, I'm going to miss chatting with you guys.

Superfan and logan... the people that come to this site are fans of the Superman mythos.  Since Smallville is currently the only incarnation servicing that mythos we have watched with both hope and frustration.  Hope that they would tell this story with intelligence and respect and frustration that so often they didn't.  Obviously we enjoy the show.  I thought season nine was overall pretty good (with some exceptions).  This season started out pretty well and then got lost in the middle.  And there were some pretty fine episodes along the way.  Luthor, Booster.  And that's the frustrating thing.  They can get it right sometimes, and when they don't its usually some problem thats easily fixed that they just don't seem to care about.

Were there some nice moments in the finale.  Sure there were.  Could it have been more intelligently written, more logical and more dramatic.  Absolutely.

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