Freezing Discussion Thread [Archive]

Westlo

01-08-2011, 12:24 AM

*watches op*
*puts on shades*
Dat Satellizer

ANN Entry (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=11823)
Official website (http://freezing.tv/)

Liked the manga enough from what I read, don't know if I'll stick with the anime though.. being able to read like 10 episodes worth of material in the time it takes to watch 3 episodes is does change things..

Male leads pretty meh (probably the worst from this author out of the 7 series I've read and Sunrise butchered KuroKami's lead before someone points out how bad he is...) but I like enough of the girls in it.. interested to see how Noto handles Satellizer as well, definitely outside of her comfort zone. Though it's a zone she has stepped out of quite a few times before.

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William K

01-08-2011, 04:53 AM

ilmaestro

01-08-2011, 04:24 PM

I liked the violence enough to come back for more, but overall if felt like a very bland blend of WALL OF TEXT and cramped action (being framed in 4:3 in 2011 doesn't really help this).

The last scene actually changed it up a bit and was at least not totally dark and attempting to be "heavy", but the ridiculousness then felt at odds with what had gone before. Ganessa does seem like she might be fun, though, and the ED reminded me of how much the eyecatch made me want more meganekko Satellizer.

Fencedude

01-08-2011, 04:54 PM

WTF 4:3? I thought we were over this Japan.

Anyway, pretty good, though surprisingly really goddamn bloody.

aku.chan

01-08-2011, 05:03 PM

Fairly good first episode. Its like a weird, violent fusion of Eva and Mai-Otome.

Fencedude

01-08-2011, 05:31 PM

Damn this show has an amazing cast.

Also I'm amused that Uchida Aya's character looks almost exactly like Q-feuille. So she's Q-feuille with Ascouer's voice. Weird.

Westlo

01-08-2011, 06:35 PM

interested to see how Noto handles Satellizer as well, definitely outside of her comfort zone. Though it's a zone she has stepped out of quite a few times before.

I'm expecting something like Masane in Witchblade mode

Ah I actually watched Witchblade on dvd (only first 2) and was listening to the dub, might have to check that performance out. It's in my massive backlog...

TheGreenMan

01-08-2011, 07:39 PM

4:3? BARF.
But the OP and ED are in widescreen? Ugh

Anyway...
Mamiko Noto! Playing a badass!
Wow. Violent as hell.
So, the sensei was saved by a girl who is Kazuya's sister.
Wow...his sister sounds a lot like Mamiko Noto...
Bridgette...is Kazuya's sister? A clone probably.
Ohhh...Kana Hanazawa is in this too? Awesome.

untoldsorrow

01-08-2011, 09:11 PM

Funkatron

01-08-2011, 09:19 PM

Everything was going fine for me for the first episode till that dumb kid turned back into a little kid. DUDE!! The prez just mentioned that your sister died and he goes all retarded on her. I just couldn't believe that scene, I actually lost my appetite (was eating) watching that unfold.

It was pretty bloody, and the injured girls were screaming their lungs out too.
What the heck did he and his sister do when they were younger? He was freaking motorboating her, for Pete's sake! A definite fail for me: the execution is all over the place for this show

Ashyukun

01-08-2011, 09:20 PM

Well, Noto in a role that looks like she'll actually get lines means this has an automatic pass through to at least episode 2- but it likely would have made it anyway since it's definitely intriguing and a change of pace from the usual. It's looking solidly to be my 'T&A and Excessive Violence' guilty pleasure of the season- and it's already going solidly beyond what last season's (Samura Girls) had.

A number of the girls look quite interesting- but yeah, the milquetoast guy who reverts to being a kid crying for his dead sister isn't going to do anything good for the show. I miss last season's bumper crop of decent male leads already...

strangefour

01-08-2011, 11:57 PM

-A naked lady with a magical honeycomb stuck in her back. It only seems to grant wishes for new clothes. I guess that's handy.
-Ladies! Ladies. There's no reason for all this fighting. It's col. It's wet. You're all stripped down to you underwear. No more fighting. This is the time for hugs. Unless this is being televi-- oh yep there's the camera. Feel free to continue fighting.
-There were eleven.
-Elaine Bar Set? Well whatever stupid reason, busty women and younger men sounds okay by me.
-Siscon molestation.

Okay so the eyecatchs and ending make Stellizer look cute and girly. But she's really just a hard cold bitch. Kay. That was eh. Normally I like strong violent women, but this episode gave me nothing to care about any of the girls. Except the dead one and maybe the teacher. Otherwise I'm supposed to like this cast why? Kinda reminds me of MaiHime without any heart or fun.

William K

01-09-2011, 01:51 AM

This looks like this season's Qwaser with the fanservice and the blood.

Asking questions and flashbacks to introduce the world/plot. Not a bad device so hopefully they're done with that after this episode.

I love the fact that all of them wield different weapons though the ones that faced Satellizer here were all bit-players. The ED shows the main characters and their wepons. Lol'ed at Chiffon's evil-smiling shadow and claw.

Some parts were tough to watch though. It seems that they can heal wounds that would kill normal people but that doesn't mean that they don't feel pain.

Nork22

01-09-2011, 04:48 AM

If it weren't for Noto, I would have pass on this. Now that I've seen the first episode, I'm mixed about the violence, but love the nipples. Will watch it to the end.

Fencedude

01-09-2011, 04:55 AM

This reminds me of Divergence Eve, a little. Also something else, but I can't think of it (not Queens' Blade)

I don't know if it can manage to be as deep as it seems to want to be though.

Also I'm totally not going to let myself get attached to any characters. Seems like a bad idea.

TAS

01-09-2011, 11:44 AM

This looks like this season's Qwaser with the fanservice and the blood.
It seems to be quite the mishmash so far.

- Invaders that can't be countered by normal weapons. Eva style.
- Magical Girl (substitute pseudo science for magic) transformation complete with not suable for battle outfit and antique magic weapons.
- Costume failure (boobies) like some of the fighting anime. Ikkitousen
- Training mission that seems more like a gladiatorial battle (they even call it a Carnival) then something to train them to battle an invader (Ikkitousen again). You would think they would want to build a team for that.

Shows like Ikkitousen seem to be quite popular so this may do well, but it's not for me. Dropped.

Westlo

01-09-2011, 12:40 PM

Bridgette...is Kazuya's sister? A clone probably.

You're giving the loser MC way too much credit, weapon + long hair =! sister

Though could be true!

EmperorBrandon

01-09-2011, 01:55 PM

You're giving the loser MC way too much credit, weapon + long hair =! sister

Well, seemingly the same voice too. :)

Nosredna

01-09-2011, 04:16 PM

Okay wasn't expecting the violence, but it won't be a deterrent. Overall I enjoyed the first episode. Hopefully that boy doesn't ruin the show though.

Zalis

01-12-2011, 04:17 AM

WTF 4:3? I thought we were over this Japan.

4:3? BARF.
But the OP and ED are in widescreen? Ugh

I liked the violence enough to come back for more, but overall if felt like a very bland blend of WALL OF TEXT and cramped action (being framed in 4:3 in 2011 doesn't really help this).

Looks like there's now some more-censored 16:9 broadcasts and eventual 16:9 DVD/BD. Idk, hearing about this show made me secretly hope that it was a natively 4:3 anime. I mean, there hasn't been a latenight 4:3 TV anime since the Winter '07 season (Manabi Straight, Saint October); it's not like a little variety once in awhile is going to kill people. Or maybe I say this because I still use 4:3 screens :laugh:

HitokiriShadow

01-12-2011, 02:06 PM

Well, that was.... bloody.

And I'm pretty sure Bridgitte killed several of her opponents. When she was first ganged up on, the status screen even said "Kill", so I think those nurses already failed their goal for no deathsr. And most of those last ones had clearly fatal wounds. Even if their technology can regenerate lost limbs, that doesn't seem like its going to help people who had their throats slashed.

Too bad the whole thing was in 4:3. What. The. Fuck. Japan. That the OP/ED were in full 16:9 just rubbed it in.

There was also way too many awkward lines and conversations that existed only to try to explain the setting in an annoying, forced manner. The whole "We all already know this but I'm going to state the obvious anyway" thing.

Anyway, it was okay overall (and ignoring the 4:3 part) and I'm kind of curious to see where things go. Though the male lead started off at mediocre and took a nosedive at the end. Jesus christ, that was an obnoxious way to end the episode. Oh, and yay for Noto Mamiko. In a lead role too, so she may actually get a decent number of lines... though she didn't say much this episode, at least as that character.

Edit: Oh, yeah, need to actually watch the ED.... *looks at Chiffon's shadow* Chiffon is eeeeeevil. And apparently Bridgette is a meganekko.

Nork22

01-12-2011, 03:59 PM

And apparently Bridgette is a meganekko.

Which is to say, she's not looking evil, she's just squinting. :)

Ashyukun

01-15-2011, 08:05 PM

Yeah... if there were any question that this show was going to be about boobs and battles, this episode should have cleared that up if there was still any lingering doubt after the first episode. Oddly, they didn't actually show the END of the fight and how Bridgette actually got beaten...

Bridgette does indeed need glasses- and looks cute enough in them- except when fighting, which I thought was rather cool. I hope Ganessa tones it down a bit after this... she got a bit annoying fairly fast, though she definitely got put back in her place as well. And at least Kazuya was a bit less of a siscon wuss this episode. Have to wonder though whether he can have that effect on ANY of the Pandora, or just Bridgette. Suppose we'll find out next episode, when the dominatrix comes into play...

And, once again- it looks like Noto is going to get the least lines out of any character in the show despite being the female lead. I suppose it's a good thing they get paid by the episode and not by the line... she's got to have one of the highest per-line pay rates in the business these days. :P

something

01-15-2011, 09:45 PM

What's going to be really amusing about this for me is that my only exposure to Freezing so far is the Noto Mamiko x Hanazawa Kana "Freezing TV" segments where they go to restaurants and eat food and chat politely with each other. I have gotten the impression that that's not how the show is! =D

Episode 1:

- 4:3 anime in 2011 just completely boggles my mind.
- Wait, they get medic support?
- "She has harf brother" =D
- "Sensei, please explain this event we should all know about because we can't think of a better way to transition into backstory!" Heh.

- Oh they have medics because this isn't some murder tournament like Togainu no Chi or whatever. They're training to fight aliens.
- Wait, Noto voices the dead sister too?
- Oh god I'm being blinded by the brightness in this scene. And this is the uncensored version?
- Also, all the Pandoras seem to be female, so what are the guys there for? I guess support personnel.
- Yeah good call on the 4:3 guys, you can't even fit the eyecatch text and logo on screen in one shot! -_-

- Inoue Marina~
- Oh she's explaining the male bit. You have to link up with a younger boy. I call it the Shotacon System.
- Ewww, dismemberment. Well, I did somehow watch all of Claymore so I guess I can handle this. Besides, they already said lost limbs can be restored, and we know the teacher got her arm back. I'd still prefer to avoid too many shots like that though. Somehow the leg was worse than the arm for me.

- You know, Sate-chan might be tough but she's going to depopulate the academy of Pandoras pretty soon. :sd: Well I guess that's where the healing abilities come in. Sure seems to like going for the jugular though, doesn't she?
- Kitamura Eri~! So where is Noto gonna slice you?
- Uhhh yeah, way to launch into a tear-filled reunion without verifying the other person first. >_>

Sate-chan <3 hamburger. Also, looks better with glasses.

something

01-15-2011, 10:18 PM

Episode 2:

- "I'm an idiot." Yeah no shit dude.
- HAHAHAHAH WHAT. It's hilarious how hard and how fast Sate-chan has fallen from her throne. From ice cold invincible bitch to blushing "megane megane~" mess. :sd:
- Holy shit dude, stop touching her! Are you completely dense? He's getting on my nerves with this sheer cluelessness.
- Ganessa is a Brit? And her hobby is bonsai...
- Ahahha BITCHSLAP.
- And Sate-chan does the "Clothes Evaporation" attack. It's always amazing how people can do that with one slash of a sharpened blade!
- Hah, Arthur is Ganessa's Limiter. :sd:

Guess I like this enough to keep watching for now.

HitokiriShadow

01-15-2011, 10:39 PM

That was a significant improvement over the first episode, thanks to it being largely done with introducing the setting and characters and cramming half a dozen silly terms, explained with bad expository dialogue, and instead focusing on a small number of major characters and dealing with the fallout from the end of the previous episode.

There was a little bit of the terms and explanations here, but it wasn't as bad since it was only twice and it made at least a little bit of sense that the new guy might not know these things, as opposed to military brass and the school leaders. Though its still problematic, since its another situation with a main character joining a special school and apparently knowing nothing about it, even though this is mostly stuff that should be common knowledge. And explaining "Volt Weapon" was kind of insulting to the audience's intelligence, since it was just stating the obvious.

The bigger problem is that generic male lead suffers from some of the standard problems. Nothing particularly outstanding in obnoxiousness (in this episode; the end of the last episode, on the other hand....), he's just severely lacking in personality and went through the generic male main character motions, along with some minor stupidity in repeatedly trying to grab Satellizer and apologize to her. That was getting irritating when he went and grabbed her for the third fucking time. I'll just hope they minimize that aspect and that he remains bland and generic and doesn't develop any bigger problematic behavior.

Edit: Also, I'm really liking the ED. It's pretty catchy.

Nosredna

01-16-2011, 10:03 AM

I like how their clothes reform on them after their nearly naked, that's a good skill to have :P. I wish they would have shown the end of the first fight though, how'd she get beat up so good when he wasn't hurt and on top of her. Interesting at the end he met Arthur who works with Ganessa. Oh and it's always good to see another good looking woman will show up.

Fencedude

01-17-2011, 10:42 PM

WTF Dude. STOP TOUCHING HER. She doesn't like it! Jesus. That bothers me more than the fact that this school has no problems with its students attempting to murder each other.

Anyway, Ganessa's obviously going to turn out to be not that bad, and probably end up being a grudging partner/rival for Satelizer (stupid, stupid name). Also it seems Pandoras are, in fact, Valkyrur!

Very interested to see if they explore Satelizer's drastic personality shifts, from shy, almost terrified meganekko to rampaging monster. Also it seems she actually does need hte glasses, at least...sometimes?

I was slightly disappointed that they skimped out on the violence, Ganessa should have been much more ripped up considering the amount of blood that went flying.

This show would be so much better without the Limiters.

HitokiriShadow

01-17-2011, 10:49 PM

Very interested to see if they explore Satelizer's drastic personality shifts, from shy, almost terrified meganekko to rampaging monster. Also it seems she actually does need hte glasses, at least...sometimes?

It would seem that her eyesight is fixed when her Volt powers are active but revert to normal when she deactivates her Volt power.

Fencedude

01-17-2011, 10:53 PM

Nork22

01-18-2011, 12:24 PM

That was rather cute... Noto going "megane? megane?"

Dude stop touching her when you were told not to touch her.

Ashyukun

01-21-2011, 12:46 PM

Soooo... FUNi loses Fractale, and picks up (or at least finally announces...) Freezing. What did they do, just go down the list for this season alphabetically? :P

http://blog.funimation.com/2011/01/funimation-to-simulcast-“freezing”/

It'll be interesting to see which version they get- my bets are on the censored, but we'll have to wait and see I guess. And unfortunately, as is altogether too common for them and non-noitaminA-block shows, it'll be roughly a week behind the actual airing.

I'm kind of disappointed... I would really have preferred TAN end up with Freezing, I've always been much more impressed with their streaming (or, well, pretty much everyone else in reality...) than FUNi's.

Ashyukun

01-23-2011, 08:34 PM

Well, this went about how I expected it to... though the revelation about the Kazuya at the end was a bit unexpected, I was figuring it would be something in the way of a link due to what had happened in the previous fight or when he glomped Brigette in the first episode. The school's reaction to her though (especially Chiffon... I'm looking forward to seeing her actually fight :D) is a riot. Brigette definitely has issues to be worked out though... not that I can totally blame her for what happened after Kazuya turned the tables on their Freezing. Hopefully the pair observing from the roof told Chiffon & co. exactly what had transpired...

HitokiriShadow

01-24-2011, 01:02 AM

STOP. FUCKING. GRABBING. HER. ARM. YOU. FUCKING. IDIOT.

At least we shouldn't have to deal with that anymore, based on how things played out shortly after that. While we didn't have to deal with that particularly obnoxious idiocy after that, he's in the gutter right now and he didn't do anything to gain any points back in the rest of the episode. He's just very.... lead anime male-ish, and all the mediocrity that entails.

Chiffon continues to amuse me greatly. I love how she orders Satelizer to put her weapon away.... and then hides behind another student. Also, since when did military-style ranks mean someone could assault and abuse their underlings and the underlings get in trouble for defending themselves?

Hopefully the pair observing from the roof told Chiffon & co. exactly what had transpired...

It was pretty heavily implied that it didn't matter. They had plenty of time to tell Chiffon before she talked to Kazuya later, that they need to watch out because the other third years will be after them. Though I guess maybe Satelizer will avoid any further punishment from the student council and/or faculty if they know it was in self-defense. But then, that didn't seem to help her after she fought Ganessa in the previous episode.

William K

01-24-2011, 02:32 AM

Chiffon continues to amuse me greatly. I love how she orders Satelizer to put her weapon away.... and then hides behind another student. Also, since when did military-style ranks mean someone could assault and abuse their underlings and the underlings get in trouble for defending themselves?

Hopefully the pair observing from the roof told Chiffon & co. exactly what had transpired...

It was pretty heavily implied that it didn't matter. They had plenty of time to tell Chiffon before she talked to Kazuya later, that they need to watch out because the other third years will be after them. Though I guess maybe Satelizer will avoid any further punishment from the student council and/or faculty if they know it was in self-defense. But then, that didn't seem to help her after she fought Ganessa in the previous episode.

The mention of ranking makes me wonder if they are used to decide who gets to fight against the alien when it appears. By the way from the official site, Chiffon's rank is no. 1 among the 3rd years. Miyabi on the other hand is just a mere no. 15 and she expected to be way stronger than Satellizer. They really should have shown more of how Satellizer gave her and her 3 bishies a much-deserved beatdown.

bear

01-24-2011, 07:15 AM

Also, since when did military-style ranks mean someone could assault and abuse their underlings and the underlings get in trouble for defending themselves?

Japanese military (pre WWII at least) was very brutal. From Wikipedia:

The IJA was known for the extremely harsh treatment of its enlisted soldiers from the start of training, including beatings, unnecessarily strenuous duty tasks, lack of adequate food, and other violent or harsh disciplinary tactics.

So there is a historical context for some of the scenes. Same was true of their airmen.

Ashyukun

01-24-2011, 07:53 AM

It was pretty heavily implied that it didn't matter. They had plenty of time to tell Chiffon before she talked to Kazuya later, that they need to watch out because the other third years will be after them. Though I guess maybe Satelizer will avoid any further punishment from the student council and/or faculty if they know it was in self-defense. But then, that didn't seem to help her after she fought Ganessa in the previous episode.
That was more what I meant- that there wouldn't be any official repercussions from what happened for the younger students. Obviously the older students aren't going to care, but at the same time presumably the administration won't be punishing Brigette and Kazuya if they continue to defend themselves (and win).

The mention of ranking makes me wonder if they are used to decide who gets to fight against the alien when it appears. By the way from the official site, Chiffon's rank is no. 1 among the 3rd years. Miyabi on the other hand is just a mere no. 15 and she expected to be way stronger than Satellizer. They really should have shown more of how Satellizer gave her and her 3 bishies a much-deserved beatdown.
I dunno- the beatdown she handed out wouldn't have really been indicative of what she was really capable of because Kazuya had immobilized all of them with his Freezing. Had he immobilized the other Limiters and neutralized the Freezing on Brigette so they were fighting on level terms again it would have been a good showing of how powerful she really was. But before pulling the Freezing 'cheat' on them, Miyabi was getting schooled.

Can't say Chiffon's being the #1 surprises me that much... I've kind of been figuring something like that was the case from the get-go... it's always wise to be wary of the ones who always seem to have their eyes closed. It doesn't hurt either that she's loads of fun, and her image in the ending certainly implies you DON'T want to mess with her. :P

Fencedude

01-25-2011, 11:16 PM

Ok, granted, Satellizer's a bitch when she's gone all Pandora, but jesus christ, you'd think people would figure this shit out by now. How many people are going to have to get their shit ruined by her before they figure out that she's not an ordinary 2nd year Pandora? I mean jesus, PATTERN RECOGNITION. ITS NOT HARD.

And they highly implied that she was raped at one point, which explains the "no touching" thing. But she's surprisingly moe when she's not having people trying to get all up in her face.

But seriously, is she going to have to humiliate and nearly kill every goddamn Pandora in the school? Thats going to get pretty old.

Ashyukun

01-26-2011, 07:25 AM

But seriously, is she going to have to humiliate and nearly kill every goddamn Pandora in the school? Thats going to get pretty old.
I'd figure we get a few more episodes of that before we get another Nova attack and they're forced to work together in actual combat- probably just enough episodes for Kazuya to get some semblance of active control over his power and to get closer to Brigette...

Nork22

01-26-2011, 05:42 PM

Fencedude

01-26-2011, 05:58 PM

But seriously, is she going to have to humiliate and nearly kill every goddamn Pandora in the school? Thats going to get pretty old.

The deserving ones that try to kill/humiliate her? Yeah I say that's fair game.

Not saying they won't deserve it, but its already getting old.

Nork22

01-26-2011, 06:05 PM

something

01-29-2011, 05:40 PM

Episode 3:

- Huh, I wonder if this is the first time I've seen desks in anime that are of the "L-shaped desktop attached to a chair" variety I usually had in school. Generally in anime it's a separate chair and large rectangular desk.
- God damn dd you really just grab her arm AGAIN!? Fucking STOP IT.
- Kaho is sure loud for someone trying to hide.
- Man, chill out Miyabi.
- Errr, yeah, this would be an example of bad yuri.
- Chiffon is the best. Student Council Presidential Order! ...given while hiding behind your friend.

I want a show about Chiffon.

something

01-29-2011, 05:42 PM

By the way from the official site, Chiffon's rank is no. 1 among the 3rd years.
Suddenly my motivation to finish this show just tripled.

Fencedude

01-29-2011, 05:45 PM

something

01-29-2011, 05:51 PM

Of course, Chiffon's chances of getting brutally killed while fighting a NOVA to demonstrate that this is SRS BSNS also increases dramatically.
...I'm trying not to get attatched to anyone here.
The only ones I expect to ever like much are Kaho and Chiffon. I guess Ganessa will be likable when she has her "big character moment" and mellows a little.

I guess blue haired girl from the ED looks like she could be decent.

something

01-29-2011, 06:27 PM

Episode 4:

- Satte-chan is in jail. Boob-view for the teacher.
- Oh look the door isn't locked, maybe I should just walk right in! Wtf, who does that? It seems like standard practice in anime but I'd never just walk into someone's room because the door was unlocked.
- ...Looking at their diary is rude but no second thoughts about trespassing?
- Dude, you are the worst.
- But OH GOD she is absofuckingloutely adorable hiding under that blanket.

- Oh wow, Satellizer tries to play dirty. That was unexpected.
- Hhahaha YES, Chiffon with her body pillow.
- You know, for someone played up as the Untouchable Queen from the start, Satte-chan has sure gotten the shit beat out of her a lot.
- ...Ingrid just tonfa'd Sattelizer in the crotch. That on top of kicking her in the boob. Seems unpleasant.
- "Favorite food: beer (People can drink alcohol at age 16 in Germany" Hahaha

- Satte-chan confirms what seemed pretty obvious: it was a previous Limiter who raped her.
- Hahahaha, the serious fight is interrupted while everyone blushes about whether Ereinbar Sets are pervy.

Anyway, some backstory on why Ingrid is so angry, and the fights ends without any casualties.

Ganessa went a long way toward that mellowing I talked about, so that's good.

William K

01-29-2011, 06:49 PM

By the way from the official site, Chiffon's rank is no. 1 among the 3rd years.
Suddenly my motivation to finish this show just tripled.

Of course, Chiffon's chances of getting brutally killed while fighting a NOVA to demonstrate that this is SRS BSNS also increases dramatically.

...I'm trying not to get attatched to anyone here.

Yeah, the big surprise is that another series this season killed off one of its main characters first. I would have bet that Freezing would be the first to do so.

HitokiriShadow

01-29-2011, 11:53 PM

Good grief, I want to smack the male lead of this show so fucking hard. Every goddamn episode he does something monumentally irritating and stupid. "Oh look, the door is open [i]I GUESS I SHOULD JUST WALK RIGHT IN." Naturally, annoying bullshit results.

This whole thing with the third years really irritates me because its based on Satellizer having the audacity to defend herself. I can accept the hierarchy stuff to a point and that the 3rd years have to maintain order yadda yadda yadda, and I could handle this general direction if it was done a little differently. It just bugs the hell out of me that the show just completely ignores the circumstances and *everyone* acts like Satellizer just walked up to a third year and trashed her for no reason at all. It just completely sweeps the circumstances under the rug, without anyone some much as acknowledging that the third year at least kind of deserved it. Oh, and there was administrative punishment too, which isn't helping my irritation at the situation. I hope this show moves beyond the third years "dealing with" Satelizer very, very soon.

Not nearly enough Chiffon in this episode, but the ~2 seconds we did get of her involved her pleasuring herself with her body pillow, so yay for that.

Fencedude

01-30-2011, 02:28 AM

Ok, Kazuya, you're a dipshit, but at least you gave us super-moe Sattelizer.

Anyone notice how Satellizer's eyes can travel the full range between totally droopy tareme and super sharp tsurime? Thats highly unusual.

Also, Mz. Discipline Bitch. The reason Satellizer is causing problems is because PEOPLE LIKE YOU KEEP FUCKING WITH HER. Holy shit. She just wants to be left alone! Goddamn this is stupid.

Fencedude

01-30-2011, 03:12 AM

- But OH GOD she is absofuckingloutely adorable hiding under that blanket.

She totally turns into a Noto Mamiko character at moments like that. Its so weird.

I'd watch an entire episode of Satellizer hiding in her blanket.

FUNiOP

01-31-2011, 10:31 PM

Watched the first 3 episodes and I'll be making a generalization here, so I didn't make it a reply to one of the episodes. I'm glad this doesn't interest me quite enough to want to watch it further, because I sure as hell am not watching FUNimation's streams and I don't like to watch things illegally. Sure, I'd probably be saying the fanservice was a little excessive, but if that's part of the show, I don't need a GIANT BEAM OF LIGHT covered half of the show. Oh, and the show itself? Doesn't seem like anything special so far. Even if I kept watching it, I probably wouldn't have much to say about it week-to-week.

cxt217

02-01-2011, 02:36 PM

I wonder how they will handle the 12 episodes cut off, given the manga is still running. Is there a nice, neat stop-off point (Like what Kannagi had.) where they can hit the pause button? Because one hesitates to like the TV series because it will feel like the Claymore TV series.

Speaking of Claymore - Freezing reminds me a LOT of that title. Essentially, it feels like Claymore with school uniforms, add some light fluffy moments and fanservice. That might make a nice stew, but equally possible, making it into a 'meh' series.

C.T.

bear

02-05-2011, 06:48 PM

Ok, now it's a loveLimiter triangle? I wonder if we'll get a harem going?

The sadistic violence is getting to be annoying. I realize it's an excuse to rip off the clothes of the girls for fanservice, but they're going to have to work together when they finish training. Going after the Limiters is even more ridiculous since they can't even fight back. I don't see the teachers doing jack shit to stop it. It seems to be based on the pre-WWII Japanese army culture where, as I understand, beatings and sadism were common. How about something a little more 21st century or at least a reasonable explanation for that and even the Carnival?

HitokiriShadow

02-06-2011, 12:46 AM

Rana finally appears! I like her a lot so far, though I'm not a big fan of the ~de arimasu speech pattern. But she's voiced by Hanazawa Kana, so its okay. She can say whateeeeeeeeever she wants, and I'll happily listen. I've become quite the Hanazawa Kana fan over the last few months.

The sadistic violence is getting to be annoying. I realize it's an excuse to rip off the clothes of the girls for fanservice, but they're going to have to work together when they finish training. Going after the Limiters is even more ridiculous since they can't even fight back. I don't see the teachers doing jack shit to stop it. It seems to be based on the pre-WWII Japanese army culture where, as I understand, beatings and sadism were common. How about something a little more 21st century or at least a reasonable explanation for that and even the Carnival?

Yeah, I'm all for tits and fanservice, but the way this show goes about delivering them is really bothersome. The Satellizer humiliation scene in episode 3 was really pushing my tolerance and the sheer amount of it is becoming increasingly grating. And, well, I've already mentioned how much the the whole "rank lets me abuse you however much I want and you'll be the one to get in trouble if you dare resist" stuff pisses me off.

At least the Carnival thing can be explained by douchebag administrators using the girls as nothing more than tools for fighting the enemy, hence the cruel "training" they're put through. I can accept that easily enough, and there's at least decent story potential from that. But this other stuff.....

cxt217

02-06-2011, 01:16 AM

The sadistic violence is getting to be annoying. I realize it's an excuse to rip off the clothes of the girls for fanservice, but they're going to have to work together when they finish training. Going after the Limiters is even more ridiculous since they can't even fight back. I don't see the teachers doing jack shit to stop it. It seems to be based on the pre-WWII Japanese army culture where, as I understand, beatings and sadism were common. How about something a little more 21st century or at least a reasonable explanation for that and even the Carnival?

Yeah, I'm all for tits and fanservice, but the way this show goes about delivering them is really bothersome. The Satellizer humiliation scene in episode 3 was really pushing my tolerance and the sheer amount of it is becoming increasingly grating. And, well, I've already mentioned how much the the whole "rank lets me abuse you however much I want and you'll be the one to get in trouble if you dare resist" stuff pisses me off.

At least the Carnival thing can be explained by douchebag administrators using the girls as nothing more than tools for fighting the enemy, hence the cruel "training" they're put through. I can accept that easily enough, and there's at least decent story potential from that. But this other stuff.....

The little birdie that has been whispering concern over how they were going to adapt an ongoing manhwa series into a 12-episode TV series has just hit full volume with Episode 5. We are getting major differences in story between the two and the divergence heading towards off-the-rail-levels.

Having said that, they probably handled the beginning of the Rana/Lana story arc as well as they could have without using the manhwa storyline. It is damning with faint praise, but the original manhwa actually had a more objectionable handling of the introduction of Rana to the cast - though it had none of the intra-school fighting/abuse except for a PE sparring match between Rana and Genessa, which is where most of the school see Rana's strength start to come out, until a couple chapters later. And of course, there is even more fanservice in the TV, which were not in the manhwa.

I do not have much hope with the story to be told by the remaining 7 episodes. They are diverging too fast and too much from the manhwa, and it looks like they will not use the possible save/pause point in the manhwa's plot which can close the series like Kannagi did and leave room for a future series.

C.T.

Xcandescent

02-06-2011, 05:06 PM

Yeah, I'm all for tits and fanservice, but the way this show goes about delivering them is really bothersome. The Satellizer humiliation scene in episode 3 was really pushing my tolerance and the sheer amount of it is becoming increasingly grating. And, well, I've already mentioned how much the the whole "rank lets me abuse you however much I want and you'll be the one to get in trouble if you dare resist" stuff pisses me off.Reading the manhwa makes you realize exactly how gratuitous and sadistic the show is, in comparison. It's clear that there was some edict given to push the gore and clothes-shredding, at the expense of coherent pacing and storytelling. It's like the anime writers have no concept of what's OK to abridge, what's important to leave in, or even that there are character and plot consequences to making changes at all.

Ingrid's arc is just one example of where the writers failed to buy a clue -- in the manhwa, she has a much more coherent motivation for going after Satellizer than "I'm a third year, kiss the ring bitch". But because the anime writers took a hacksaw to the training exercise, the reasons for her actions were left on the cutting room floor, and were simplified into stupid, unsatisfying hierarchical bullshit.

As for Miyabi ... anyone who complained that they didn't get to see that fight in the anime, needs to read the manhwa now. Because, holy crap.

Make no mistake -- it's not like the manhwa is some example of perfect writing. (The school is still clearly dysfunctional, and students still get to run around blowing dorms up, and beating the crap out of each other with impunity.) However, it's also not Ikki-Tousen, and it makes an effort to save the ultra-violence for the scenes where it makes the most dramatic impact, rather than just splashing blood and limbs across every other page.

-XCN-

zangetsu22

02-06-2011, 08:29 PM

At least with Freezing it may be a shitty b-movie anime (like Shikabane Hime) but it least it has the courteousy to be honest to it's audience about what it's doing, even if the fanservice is overdone. You all have to see what the anime really is. A dumb ecchi fighting anime with lack of plot and is only there to entertain. If you think that it's gonna follow the manga 100%, then prepare for epic disapointment. I knew what the show was gonna do before I even watched and prepared myself. I was disturbed about Ingrid (Ami Koshimizu 4EVA) and her development and how they cut a bit of her story out. But, I got over it. I will be surprised if they come close to introducing Cassie (should be the main heroine of the series instead of Bridgette). I'm enjoying for what it is and turning my brain off and enjoying the ride. Let's check off what makes this show Awefully Awesome: Crappy animation, CHECK! Retarted sexy ecchi fanservice, CHECK! Lack of GAR type guys, CHECK! Undeveloped shallow female characters, CHECK! Poor fight scenes, CHECK! Girl Wardrobe Malfunctions, CHECK! Bullying Bitches, CHECK! Cat fight of the week, CHECK! Lack of focus on Plot, CHECK! Mamiko Noto in a role where she's not playing herself but playing a character with range, CHECK! Perfect!! This has everything. At least it doesn't try to be irritating to turn off the viewer. Bring on more stupid violent Ecchi. I'm turning off my brain and being entertained!

cxt217

02-07-2011, 12:21 AM

Reading the manhwa makes you realize exactly how gratuitous and sadistic the show is, in comparison. It's clear that there was some edict given to push the gore and clothes-shredding, at the expense of coherent pacing and storytelling. It's like the anime writers have no concept of what's OK to abridge, what's important to leave in, or even that there are character and plot consequences to making changes at all.

<snip>

Make no mistake -- it's not like the manhwa is some example of perfect writing. (The school is still clearly dysfunctional, and students still get to run around blowing dorms up, and beating the crap out of each other with impunity.) However, it's also not Ikki-Tousen, and it makes an effort to save the ultra-violence for the scenes where it makes the most dramatic impact, rather than just splashing blood and limbs across every other page.

You hit upon a big issue I have noticed with the TV series, among the other problems with the anime (More explicit and sadistic content; bad editing/abridging, to name several.) - the manhwa it is based on had some problems.

I am fortunate that I started reading the manwha in the middle (Of the chapters published so far.), when the action kicked into high gear (And most of the violence actually made sense, if not necessarily any more acceptable.) and we started getting plot advancement and real character development. If I had started reading Freezing from Chapter 1 and found out that I was going to read domestic student violence for 23 chapters -with a very few exceptions - and a breather issue BEFORE I would get to major plot movement, I would have put down the series and never looked back. That is definitely not a good idea if it was a weekly series and less so here. Coupled with the other problems mentioned, and it would take a serious effort to get into Freezing long enough to where it is worth the effort to read.

That does not cancel out the negatives I have been noticing about the anime and the anime manage to create some new ones the manhwa did not. Unfortunately, the combination is really reeks.

C.T.

Xcandescent

02-07-2011, 05:50 PM

If I had started reading Freezing from Chapter 1 and found out that I was going to read domestic student violence for 23 chapters -with a very few exceptions - and a breather issue BEFORE I would get to major plot movement, I would have put down the series and never looked back. That is definitely not a good idea if it was a weekly series and less so here. Coupled with the other problems mentioned, and it would take a serious effort to get into Freezing long enough to where it is worth the effort to read.

That does not cancel out the negatives I have been noticing about the anime and the anime manage to create some new ones the manhwa did not. Unfortunately, the combination is really reeks.Yeah; the anime has just hit the point in the manhwa where the pacing goes off the rails. If the anime writers aren't smart enough to cut that arc short (while leaving in the one crucial plot point), then it's entirely possible that the rest of the series could be nothing but filler fights.

-XCN-

cxt217

02-07-2011, 06:58 PM

Fencedude

02-07-2011, 11:31 PM

Well, Kazuya wasn't overly stupid this episode, so there's that. But he's found himself in a "love" triangle of sorts.

Blah blah Moelizer's cute, the rest was eh.

I was sorta hoping Ganessa would show up, SHE'S the only one allowed to grind her Limiter's balls!

Ashyukun

02-08-2011, 10:00 AM

I was sorta hoping Ganessa would show up, SHE'S the only one allowed to grind her Limiter's balls!
Yeah... I was thinking as the trio of 2nd Years were abusing the 1st Year trio that they were NOT being very smart- even putting aside the girl (whose name escapes me and I'm too lazy to look it up...), they're going to piss off a) Satellizer- while this may be their intent, do they really think that they wouldn't get their asses handed to them (again) as a result of this? as well as b) Ganessa, since they're abusing her limiter- while Ganessa is not as strong as Satellizer, she IS stronger than they are (though perhaps not collectively) and not someone you want to piss off.

Ganessa and Satellizer working together to provide a smackdown as payback for what happened to their limiters? I think the trio would be missing the rest of the current semester in the hospital even with their advanced medical technologies.

Seriously though- the administration at Genetics are either sadistic bastards or completely and totally incompetent...

bear

02-08-2011, 10:31 AM

Seriously though- the administration at Genetics are either sadistic bastards or completely and totally incompetent...
The only arguments that they could make would be that you have to be pushed to the breaking point to fully realize your potential or that combat stress is such that such pressure is necessary to weed out those who can't take the strain. Neither of these is evident in the training or the discipline. It also seems as if these girls have no problem killing lower classwomen or even Limiters. How do they keep control once they graduate? What prevents them from terrorizing regular citizens?

Xcandescent

02-09-2011, 01:09 AM

EmperorBrandon

02-09-2011, 03:52 PM

Also, Mz. Discipline Bitch. The reason Satellizer is causing problems is because PEOPLE LIKE YOU KEEP FUCKING WITH HER. Holy shit. She just wants to be left alone! Goddamn this is stupid.

The whole idiocy with that really annoyed me too. Oh well, next episode seems it will have the Hanazawa Kana-voiced character. I'll be curious to see what's she like.

cxt217

02-09-2011, 11:22 PM

It also seems as if these girls have no problem killing lower classwomen or even Limiters. How do they keep control once they graduate? What prevents them from terrorizing regular citizens?Periodic herd thinning by their natural, extradimensional predators.

Or they can let the attrition process be sped up by the rampages from other Pandoras that have started to turn into those extradimensional predators.

If the manhwa was ever licensed for US release, they would HAVE to release it in the trade compilation form because readers would have been turned off by how many volumes of in a traditional tankobon format it would take before you get to the real story...

C.T.

Fencedude

02-12-2011, 04:58 PM

I'm almost certain that the Limiter Satellizer nearly killed tried to rape her.

The third years actually had a decent plan this time, getting Rana to do the dirty work, but then they blew it by revealing themselves, and now both Satellizer and Rana are going to be pissed at them.

Rana's fighting style is pretty cool, and her fights against both Ganessa and Satellizer were pretty cool. Kazuya's actually not pissing me off right now.

something

02-12-2011, 08:42 PM

Episode 5:

- Satte-chan, you're so adorable, even if you're wasting it on a loser.
- Hanazawa as Rana~! <3 And it's that "excited Hanazawa" voice that she sometimes gets to use (See also: Nessa) that I adore so much.
- The Hanazawa "Hooooaaa!" noise! Yeah she's already my favorite character. Hanazawa has that kind of magic.

- Oh boy!!! Another "mindless bullying" scene! I'm glad this show is all about variety and advancing an interesting plot! -_- We're almost halfway through, can we be done with this shit now? I mean, holy fuck guys, it was old a long time ago. Why do the Novas even need to fight? The Pandoras will clearly kill each other if left to their own devices.
- Yay for Rana taking care of them at least.

Huh so someone actually told Rana that Kazuya was taken. I was worried they'd do the usual shit where nobody just says it straight, and instead sputters and stammers for days, completely incapable of just forming a sentence, before something happens to make it obvious. Usually at the worst possible time and after things happened that could have been easily avoided with a few words.

Anyway, Rana is great. On to ep 6.

Ashyukun

02-12-2011, 08:42 PM

I'm almost certain that the Limiter Satellizer nearly killed tried to rape her.

Yeah... at a guess, he used his freezing- ironically drawn from their bond- to immobilize her, but she managed to go into Pandora Mode so she could move and the ensuing beatdown (Pandora Mode vs. largely normal physique human likely = OUCH) left him crippled.

The third years actually had a decent plan this time, getting Rana to do the dirty work, but then they blew it by revealing themselves, and now both Satellizer and Rana are going to be pissed at them.

Rana's fighting style is pretty cool, and her fights against both Ganessa and Satellizer were pretty cool. Kazuya's actually not pissing me off right now.
Well, had they left things as they were nothing would have happened- as it is now, both Rana and Satellizer are beaten up and worn out from fighting each other so they probably figure they'll be easier to beat than they would be under normal circumstances...

Fencedude

02-12-2011, 08:52 PM

something

02-12-2011, 09:16 PM

Episode 6:

- It's a little unexpected for Rana to be so aggressive about Kazuya. Even a bit meanspirited about it. She seems like she'd be the impossibly cheerful and kind type but when it comes to Kazuya, she doesn't give the slightest shit about Satte-chan's feelings.
- Ganessa!! I wish she'd tone the haughtiness down a bit. I like her, but I'd like her a whole lot more if she'd mellow out. She can still be bitchy, but... I want it to be a more lovable bitchiness. She's getting there but I'm not quite satisfied yet.

- Haha oh god Rana is about to screw him in the middle of the cafeteria. I love her so much.
- Atia amuses me. Given the voice and hairstyle, I can only conclude that she is Fukuzawa Yumi and Matsudaira's Touko's daughter. Except, personality gone horribly wrong.

- Oh, Satella? I guess I'll go with that for a short name.
- Almost have to feel bad for Satella. Everyone around her is plotting and scheming and spreading rumors and she's kind of oblivious.
- Decent fight. Rana's melee is the best though.

Huh, Atia sure revealed her hand incredibly early. On the upside, this gets Satella and Rana on the same side fairly quickly. Now just bring Ganessa on board and let Chiffon do something and we have awesomeness.

But I have to wonder when exactly they plan to transition out of school life and into extradimensional invasion and saving the world. And if they can do it smoothly (probably not!).

cxt217

02-12-2011, 09:39 PM

Huh, Atia sure revealed her hand incredibly early. On the upside, this gets Satella and Rana on the same side fairly quickly. Now just bring Ganessa on board and let Chiffon do something and we have awesomeness.

That is more a function of them really abridging the story of the manga/manhwa for the anime - the burn rate of chapters for each episode increased in Episode 6, far more than any episode so far. If they keep the pace, we will be seeing major plot advancement in 2 more episodes, at most. That is still a couple episodes too many.

But I have to wonder when exactly they plan to transition out of school life and into extradimensional invasion and saving the world. And if they can do it smoothly (probably not!).

To be fair about the anime (Not that I really want to be fair about the anime.), the transition in the manga/manhwa was not done smoothly but very suddenly. But that probably worked out better because of the shock value - and they actually had a fairly decent explanation for the sudden change in-story as well (Though it takes a reader a while before they find out.). It also worked on several different levels as well.

Oh, does this mean we will be hearing Rie Kugimiya soon?

C.T.

Fencedude

02-12-2011, 10:01 PM

C.T.

You know, our questions do not require answers.

something

02-12-2011, 11:40 PM

You know, our questions do not require answers.
Yeah, saying they're going though the manga quickly, or exaggerating the gore relative to the original, or that the manga handled certain things better or worse or just the same or other general comparisons are fine... but I don't actually want outright answers (spoilers) in response to my speculation. I can just watch the show and find out where they take it. And read the manga (well, not that I will) if I'm not satisfied.

HitokiriShadow

02-12-2011, 11:45 PM

Oh, hey, an entire episode without something happening that royally pissed me off! Amazing!

And the Rana/Satellizer fight was surpisingly good, much better than the previous fights (which were okay, but nothing particularly impressive).

Ganessa finally gets to appear again and be mildly relevant. Her fight with Rana wasn't bad either.

And super (romantically) aggressive Rana was awesome.

I'm almost certain that the Limiter Satellizer nearly killed tried to rape her.

Yeah, the tiny bit we saw of him made him seem like a sleazebag and she probably wouldn't have pulverized him that badly for touching her. However, it sounds like she already had the touching issue by the time that happened, so I don't think he was the cause of it.

Fencedude

02-12-2011, 11:47 PM

HitokiriShadow

02-12-2011, 11:57 PM

Yeah, the tiny bit we saw of him made him seem like a sleazebag and she probably wouldn't have pulverized him that badly for touching her. However, it sounds like she already had the touching issue by the time that happened, so I don't think he was the cause of it.

Reactions like that are almost always indicative of systemic abuse.

Yeah, very true. I'm thinking..... grew up in an "orphanage" that used its wards as test subjects. If the only touch you experience as a child is men in white lab coats holding you down and spreading your skin to stick needles in you, you'd probably turn out like Satellizer too. We already know Satelizer is unusually strong, but being held back a year explains that to a point. But if she ever does something highly unusual for a Pandora (like on par with Kazuya's Uber-Freezing), well..... she was probably part of an experiment to produce Super Pandoras.

(And I don't want manga readers giving the slightest indication whether I'm right or wrong, though it sounds like odds are good the anime will never get around to explaining it anyway)

nakimushi

02-13-2011, 12:53 AM

Of course, Chiffon's chances of getting brutally killed while fighting a NOVA to demonstrate that this is SRS BSNS also increases dramatically.

...I'm trying not to get attatched to anyone here.

Yeah, the big surprise is that another series this season killed off one of its main characters first. I would have bet that Freezing would be the first to do so.

If this were a two cour series, I would be more concerned about main characters getting killed off, but in a single cour, I don't think they will have time to kill off anyone important - they still have to introduce some characters and develop all of them further.

There's little dramatic effect in killing off someone right after you introduce them - e.g. the Star Trek Red Shirt Phenomenon.

They're making up for it though by showing past characters that have died.

My suspicion is that no main characters will die before a final battle. However, the manga is still running and they've also gone out of their way emphasizing how well these girls heal, so maybe not even then. I am expecting lots of blood and hacked off limbs though, which of course I won't see in the Funimation stream - but at least it is 16x9. :)

HitokiriShadow

02-19-2011, 10:47 AM

Well, that explains Bridget's touch issues, and my theories were completely off. She suffered years of physical, emotional and sexual abuse at the hands of her adopted brother. Yeah, that'll do it.

Chiffon finally shows off her power. Unsurprisingly, she's really, really strong. It seems her cute little friend is also really strong. We finally get a name for her: Tichie Fenille. I believe she was the one Chiffon was hiding behind in episode 3 and I think we also saw her hanging out with... that other girl (the one that, along with Aurthur, kept trying to warn Aoi to stay away from Satellizer and not become her partner) in the second episode and possibly some other times.

And while Chiffon stopped the fight, she doesn't exactly have a problem with the third years trying to crush Satelizer. This also isn't exactly a huge surprise, as the ED makes it very clear she's not nearly as nice as she seems.

einhorn303

02-20-2011, 07:54 AM

I haven't watch any of the show until now, because of the censored simulcast issue. I'm glad I tried the first episode on a whim, because I love it, and the broadcast censoring really doesn't degrade the experience for me much.

I like this series so much more than Infinite Stratos, which has a comparable premise. But their execution is completely different. Freezing feels so much more distinct. I like the little directorial touches like the scene where Kazuha sacrifices her life to quiet piano music. And the unique combination of sexualized violence and violent sexuality; Dal-Young Lim's stories are like pure Id.

I bet a lot of human rights organizations would complain about forcing teenagers to fight themselves to near bloody death. But I guess things are different when the survival of the human race is dependent on it.

I also wonder, why is a nun in charge of things? And can it really be a coincidence that Satellizer and Kazuya's sister have the same voice?

einhorn303

02-20-2011, 08:20 AM

- Kazuya is stupid, but at least he knows he's stupid.
- Satellizer doing some Rei cosplay. The school hospital must get extremely busy.
- Oh god, Satellizer is moe. GAR moe.
- I'm loving Eri Kitamura here. So wonderfully villainous. Mamiko Noto too, but I was already expecting that.
- Why does Ganessa always make an aroused face when deploying her Volt Weapon? I suppose that specializing in "binding" is pretty suspicious from the start.
- Even if their bodies can heal, I wonder who pays the bill for damage to buildings and facilities. I guess it's that "the bill for saving the world is gonna be pretty high for the taxpayers no matter what" like in Evangelion.
- So fighting outside the Carnival is "against school rules", but using Pandora Mode outside the carnival is [i]really]/i] against school rules.
- This school is reaching "Lord of the Flies" levels of insanity.
- Satellizer would only release her Pandora Mode once Aoi himself was threatened.
- Some cynical people would definitely call Satellizer a Mary Sue character.

It's a shame this series is only one-cour. I'd love to watch more, but it'll probably be a financial failure due to anti-Korean racism and not fitting into the post-K-On! market.

einhorn303

02-20-2011, 11:41 AM

This is what happens when a bunch of teenagers learn they have super powers and are entrusted with the fate of the human race: they become conceitedly psychotic. Probably much more realistic than the usual plot where all they all go "ganbaremasu!" a lot.

- Ganessa is portrayed in a non-blood thirsty moment. And she's kind of tsundere.
- Miyabi's hobby: "Enjoying with a lot of men." ...yeah.
- What sort of ero manga development is this?!?
- I could imagine there having been a recurring pattern of Satellizer being humiliatingly bullied, taking revenge, and then getting all the blame for it. Like in this episode, all the evidence on the cellphones that would prove she was bullied was destroyed. After all, she has a bad reputation, but she seems like she wouldn't do anything unprovoked. Emphasis on seems: it might be like in Higurashi, where so many of the characters had dark secrets in their past behavior. Like how Keiichi shot little girls, or Satoko tormented and framed her earlier father for abuse.
- Seeing her back, Kazuya's sister really did have a heck lot of Stigmata.

einhorn303

02-21-2011, 04:33 PM

I have to admit, Ingrid's motivation of "preserving order" does seem a bit illogical here without whatever's in the manga. But I still like her character. It's also nice to see a conflict resolved by words, rather than violence or revealing unknown powers.

- Aoi always does the exact opposite of what other people suggest. Because he has a pure and selfless heart.
- Is it really necessary for this night fight scene to be so dark? That's probably the one thing I most dislike about this show's action sequences, the occasional excessive darkness. At least the magical glowy-ness from Pandora Modes helps a bit.
- "Beer is food?!" "Yup."
- Yeah, Ganessa is totally tsundere.

einhorn303

02-21-2011, 04:37 PM

- Aoi's Freezing ability is apparently activated through Spiral Power.
- Ganessa [Room Entry ver.] is incredibly hot.
- I feel kind of sorry for Rana, since she'll never in a million years beat the main heroine in love.
- Rana Linchen's hobby is building Gundam plamo? That's completely unexpected; It must've been hard to get them in the mountains.
- That girl with curls sure does a lot of ominous observing. I look forward to her showing up and being, inevitably, bad ass.

something

02-26-2011, 08:45 PM

Episode 7:

Geh. So we go from more vicious bullying to 8 year old rapists and the incredibly tedious mother and daughter abused by mean adopted family cliche. Oh god I hate that last one so much. Also, all four girls ended up with their breasts exposed in exactly the same way. Do they make that part of their clothes with tissue paper? I mean come on, if you've got to get their tits out every fucking time it just gets boring. I was 98% of the way to dropping the show by the end of that whole sequence.

But then FUCK YEAH CHIFFON, plus Rana continuing to be awesome. Chiffon and her friend are fantastic.

Maybe we can move into a more significant plot now? I keep telling myself that every week that I'll drop it if we don't, and then manage to convince myself not to because a change could be just around the corner. ...Any time now. Aaaaaany time now...

Anyway, I hereby dub this the Rana and Chiffon show (with a dash of Ganessa when they have the chance) because that's basically why I'm still watching.

(Oh, one thing this episode did right: have Kazuya be unconscious for the whole episode. Do that more often!)

something

02-26-2011, 09:22 PM

Episode 8:

- Rana is really good at turning Satellizer against herself. If she weren't there, the scene in the hospital would have ended with Satella-dere but Rana destroyed the chance.
- Also, every time Rana gets excited I start wanting someone to draw her cosplaying as Nessa. With Satella as Phryne.
- So, a prom. West Genetics holds events that don't (explicitly) involve students mauling each other?

- "Sister Margaret asked me to tell you this. Wear a swimsuit when swimming."
- Where did Atia get those boobs?

- Gah I love Rana so much. Getting two uber-genki Hanazawa characters in one season is lovely.
- And Satella is much more interesting when she's being all moe moe cutesy and making herself blush.

- Ganessa~
- And Freezing becomes a goofy romcom (I mean, moreso than before). "Let's duel... in a beauty pageant!" Bwhahaha, Atia's maid outfit is amazing. I'm voting for her!
- Dominatrix Ganessa.
- Hahaha oh wow, Rana.
- Wait, where did the maid outfit go? Well, this is hot too, Atia. And damn I didn't think she'd have such an ass.
- Gaaaaaah, Satella is so damn cute. But I'd still have to pick Rana or Atia.
- Ahahahaha, the audience is finally seeing Satella's dere side.

- Rana dancing with that one girl... I like.
- Ganessa, Rana, Atia, Elizabeth, Satella.
- Satella wins of course. And ahhaha, Kazuya uses his Freezing to help he escape. :sd:

Soooo... that episode was completely retarded. And way better than episode 7! Yay for pointless fanservice that doesn't come as a result of clothes being sliced up.

Oh and FINALLY plot next episode? Either that or the preview is annoyingly misleading.

bear

02-26-2011, 09:33 PM

Episode 8:
- So, a prom. West Genetics holds events that don't (explicitly) involve students mauling each other?

- And Freezing becomes a goofy romcom (I mean, moreso than before). "Let's duel... in a beauty pageant!"

Oh hi, aren't you the girl I cut the arms off of last week? Let's go have some punch together!

HitokiriShadow

02-27-2011, 12:01 AM

It looks like the "Lets beat Satellizer into submission for having the audacity to defend herself" bullshit stuff seems to have come to an end. Fucking finally.

So, for an amazing change of pace, this episode actually let the show have some fun with the characters, rather than just beat the shit out of each other for utterly infuriating reasons. Atia in particular was a lot of fun this episode, and there were a few nice Ganessa moments as well. Both of them had fantastic outfits. And Rana is pretty much always awesome.

William K

02-27-2011, 12:13 AM

Was it hinted at the beginning of the episode that the reason they are so hard on Satellizer is that they were trying to push her to improve her skills faster? She really should have been a 3rd year if she didn't have to repeat a year. Sort of like getting her to fight harder opponents to get higher XP and gain levels faster?

Other than that, it was the most enjoyable episode by far. Certainly the best beauty queen episode in an anime. Hard to think of one that allowed such costumes anyway :D

HitokiriShadow

02-27-2011, 12:19 AM

Was it hinted at the beginning of the episode that the reason they are so hard on Satellizer is that they were trying to push her to improve her skills faster?

No, they were just noticing that it was an unintentional side-effect. Their motives were purely to punish her for defending herself in episode 3 because of the rank bullshit.

something

02-27-2011, 01:04 AM

Certainly the best beauty queen episode in an anime.
Nah, Toradora! has that locked down forever.

Fencedude

02-27-2011, 02:27 AM

Well, that certainly explains why Satella is so supremely fucked up.

Jesus. And who wants to bet we'll be seeing that bastard again?

Anyway, the fight was pretty good, though Satella sure shrugged off HAVING HER THROAT CUT fairly easily.

And Chiffon...oh Chiffon.

Fencedude

02-27-2011, 02:30 AM

I like Atia way more than I should. MODEST BUSTS ARE OK TOO!

Also I love how her title is basically "Scheming Bitch", why would anyone trust her?

Elizabeth needs to just spend the entire series swimming naked. I'm almost certain its the only positive contribution she could possibly make.

And Satella wins due to Moe. At least the guys have decent taste when they see utter adorableness. Though Rana's outfit was awesome. And Ganessa's was...Ganessa.

CAN I HAS PLOT NAO?

Fencedude

02-27-2011, 02:31 AM

- Gah I love Rana so much. Getting two uber-genki Hanazawa characters in one season is lovely.

You almost should be watching Infinite Stratos, simply because of her character there.

Not quite as genki as Rana or Nessa, but makes up for it in UTTER ADORABLENESS

Ashyukun

02-27-2011, 09:53 PM

OK, this episode? I like. I'm fine with fighting, but we've had, in essence, 7 episodes of "Let's find stupid-ass reasons to make Satellizer fight everyone and their Limiter" with the most tenuous of reasons. FINALLY we get to have some fun with the characters. Sure, it was stupid and cliche rom-com tripe- but it was way more fun than pretty much everything that came before it, and sadly it actually made more sense.

It's nice to see that Elizabeth at least has the sense to take the message Chiffon relayed seriously, as well as realizing, "Hey, we're getting our butts kicked- if we keep this up, we may end up even worse off than if we'd left her alone..."

The characters largely being casual and lighthearted despite competitive was a nice change. Atia may have been a complete bitch up until this point, but she was a riot this episode- I LOL'd HARD when she reacted to Satellizer's chest-bounce in the hallway, and then again to Rana (:nosebleed: who, BTW, won the outfit contest in my book... I'm solidly NOT a fan of fundoshi, but on her it's perfectly acceptable). Rana also remains the best character of the show (OK, Chiffon is up there too, but she's done so little really...) IMO. She's determined to win Kazuya (OK, so I'm using 'win' loosely here, bear with me...), but intends to do so fair and square.

William K

03-06-2011, 12:01 AM

Some interesting revelations this episode about the Stigma. Seems like they can be implanted to another person but with the usual compatibility issues.

The new char Cathy (Kugimiya Rie!) has 3 of the Stigmas from Kazuya's sister. But the wanting to be a writer stuff is a massive death flag... Satellizer has 6 Stigmas from his sister but with a much lower compatibility.

And we finally get some aliens for the girls to fight against, though for the moment it's the East Genetics school that is going against them. The drawback of having the girls fight the Nova instead of each other is that the chances of ppl dying just increased multiple times.

something

03-06-2011, 12:18 AM

Heh I was so confused when I saw your post and didn't see mine. I thought I posted a couple hours ago, but then I looked back and saw I had stopped halfway through the ep. :sd: Let's go finish that...

Episode 9:

- New girl, Cathy! She's cute! She's the top-ranked 3rd year at East! She's KUGIMIYA!! There's no way they can screw this up, right? ...Right?
- She's really sweet! She's smart enough to not want to go into the Pandora business! She wants to be a writer! ..She's going to die, isn't she?
- Hrm, she's got 3 of Kazuya's sister's stigma, and it's also revealed that Satella has 6, though Cathy is vastly more compatible with them. That leaves 11 unaccounted for.
- Wait, Cathy is American? And isn't overbearing, doesn't have blond hair or even (for this show) huge boobs? Wow.

- OH HEY THIS SHOW HAD A PLOT! Remember the alien invaders? Remember that!?
- I didn't even know the school had fourth years before this episode. >_>
- Cathy better not be dead, but I'm gonna assume she is. Or that she won't come back as anything pleasant.

I kinda feel like we should have been at this point in episode four, not nine.

Also surprised that the fight wasn't all that bloody - not that I mind. I'd be fine with it not getting any more explicitly violent than this.

HitokiriShadow

03-06-2011, 12:46 AM

For once, the plot coming into focus is actually a good thing.

From the moment she was introduced, I was pretty sure Cassie wouldn't survive the episode, but I was expecting her to die a more conventional way, not get absorbed.

And of course, just as the crisis comes, Kazuya learns something about Satellizer and she overhears just enough of him talking about it to others to strain their relationship at the worst possible time.

cxt217

03-06-2011, 12:52 AM

Episode 9:

- New girl, Cathy! She's cute! She's the top-ranked 3rd year at East! She's KUGIMIYA!! There's no way they can screw this up, right? ...Right?

Yes, it is nice that they finally properly introduced Cassie into the anime. One of the (very) few truly nice Pandoras in the story. And we had some plot development too.

C.T.

bear

03-06-2011, 09:03 AM

And of course, just as the crisis comes, Kazuya learns something about Satellizer and she overhears just enough of him talking about it to others to strain their relationship at the worst possible time.

Hopefully there is a "but" coming from Kazuya that she didn't hear.

In thinking about it, I first thought that it was just that she reacted because he didn't care for her except as an image of his sister. Now I'm inclined to believe that it is in part because of the sexual abuse of her half brother. If he thinks of her as his sister because of the stigmata, then any relationship they have is tainted by her memories of her real half-brothers abuse. This isn't going to be a minor misunderstanding.

The Great Bear

03-11-2011, 12:11 PM

CAN I HAS PLOT NAO?

You're watching for the plot?

:sd:

…

It's been "fun" watching this via FUNi/Hulu. Not only is there shininess where there would be nudity, but they seem to be turning up the brightness even for simple fanservice that does not involve nakedness, as if they're simply saying "You want to see it? Buy the home video version."

*shrug* Considering how mediocre this has been so far, I don't need to see it again. It's fine to watch free, but I'd never pay to see any of this.

einhorn303

03-12-2011, 09:36 PM

The "bullying of the week" format is finally broken. And it still has two great fights.

- I wonder if these Volt Textures can cycle through cosplay options.
- I love every single "desu wa ne" of Ganessa.
- Did Rana literally just punch her shirt off? How does that even...
- Satellizer can't all be just fluffy kitten innocence, with everything else the fault of people bullying her. I imagine she had a lot more behavior problems back when she was in East Genetics, and before she met Kazuya.
- Challenging people to duels after they exit bathrooms is becoming a trend in West Genetics.
- I like the shaky action cam in the Satellizer/Rana fight. It's like I'm watching BSG again.

Well, had they left things as they were nothing would have happened- as it is now, both Rana and Satellizer are beaten up and worn out from fighting each other so they probably figure they'll be easier to beat than they would be under normal circumstances...

Unfortunately they forgot the trope that "The more beat up the protagonist is, the more likely they are to unleash hidden/unknown powers."

einhorn303

03-12-2011, 09:42 PM

CAN I HAS PLOT NAO?

You're watching for the plot?

:sd:

…[]///

*shrug* Considering how mediocre this has been so far, I don't need to see it again. It's fine to watch free, but I'd never pay to see any of this.

To each their own. I've already re-watched each episode multiple times over the streaming. In fact, it's the particular kind of storytelling I can watch over and over again.

HitokiriShadow

03-14-2011, 12:47 AM

Ashyukun

03-14-2011, 09:50 AM

God damn, the people running this institution are idiots. Some of their comments the approaching Novas were just astoundingly stupid. And then there's their complete lack of interest in informing the people they had stationed at the East Gate that enemies were incoming and what kind of enemies they should expect.

And none of the Holy Corpse stuff and revelations related to it was the slightest bit surprising.

On a positive note, I looooooove the Ticy eyecatch. I hope that's indicative of their in-show relationship. Not that we're likely to ever get a second season and have the chance to see anything come of it if that is the case.

And its nice to see things happening that involve Ganessa. She didn't get a chance to really do anything in this episode, but she'll be involved in the fight next time.
Yeah... but what's REALLY got me shaking my head is where the hell are the 'professional' Pandoras?!?! You know, the ONES WHO HAVE GRADUATED and are supposed to be defending the world from the Nova? So far we've only seen the students and two teachers taking on the attacking Nova, wish some backup from military forces (which have, as usual, been almost completely worthless). Yeah, I REALIZE this is about the students- but no explanation, even a passing one about how they're on a training exercise and can't get back in time (like the 4th years that were sent to help after the original attack...) would have been nice.

HitokiriShadow

03-14-2011, 01:57 PM

Yeah... but what's REALLY got me shaking my head is where the hell are the 'professional' Pandoras?!?! You know, the ONES WHO HAVE GRADUATED and are supposed to be defending the world from the Nova? So far we've only seen the students and two teachers taking on the attacking Nova, wish some backup from military forces (which have, as usual, been almost completely worthless). Yeah, I REALIZE this is about the students- but no explanation, even a passing one about how they're on a training exercise and can't get back in time (like the 4th years that were sent to help after the original attack...) would have been nice.

I think they "4th years" might be the graduates. They mentioned something in episode 9 about Cassie not joining something or another and having her Stigma removed, and it sounded like it was something that would happen after her 3rd year. And Japanese high schools only have 3 years, so the 4th year stuff had me scratching my head, but it would make sense if that's just how the refer to the graduates/professionals or whatever. It would be nice for the show to actually explain this though.

cxt217

03-14-2011, 08:47 PM

I think they "4th years" might be the graduates. They mentioned something in episode 9 about Cassie not joining something or another and having her Stigma removed, and it sounded like it was something that would happen after her 3rd year. And Japanese high schools only have 3 years, so the 4th year stuff had me scratching my head, but it would make sense if that's just how the refer to the graduates/professionals or whatever. It would be nice for the show to actually explain this though.

It would also be nice for them to explain why, in the far future, we will still be using A-10s and V-22s.

C.T.

Fencedude

03-26-2011, 03:50 AM

Oh I'm just shocked that Cathy got killed. Master of subtlety, this show.

</snark>

Anyway, I sorta feel like this is what the show should have been about to begin with, not the stupid hazing bullshit. Also, Kazuya...YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON.

But seriously, the Nova are just Dolems. Why haven't they called in RahXephon?

Fencedude

03-26-2011, 04:23 AM

The Great Bear

03-26-2011, 06:37 AM

These dipshits deserve to lose.

Also, this is the type of threat you build a GIANT FUCKING ROBOT to fight, not super powered teenage girls.

Argh. Also, totally wins the award for clunkiest exposition of the season.

I wouldn't mind this so much if it hadn't dicked around for the first 8 episodes, there's a decent, violent action show here. Not great, but entertaining, but its just been wasted.

Also, I can't believe Kazuya didn't realize it was Satella who heard them. Who else carries around 2 dozen Burger Queen burgers? Seriously?

All the criticisms you have plus one more:

The Nova in the current attack basically are the textbook example of the Boring Invincible Villain. Even the best of the Pandoras can't do crap against them, except, of course, get absorbed by them. But, of course, while all of the more powerful Pandoras are going to get crushed, it will be a couple of Second Years, Satellizer and Rana, and maybe Ganessa will get some glory time, are suddenly going to be powerful enough to stop the mutant Nova Form Pandoras attacking the Nucleo-whatever (lovely Engrish names), when nothing else, not even barriers of solid ThickMetalanium can stop them (what with the magical energy beam weapons).

The predictability and utter creative bankruptcy gets tiring over time. The only thing this show has going for it is the panty shots, and in the FUNi/Hulu version you don't really get to see it in all its glory (shiny, Shiny, SHINY!).

If it wasn't free to watch, this is definitely a show I would never have bothered with.

Garasharp K7

03-26-2011, 04:50 PM

These dipshits deserve to lose.

Also, this is the type of threat you build a GIANT FUCKING ROBOT to fight, not super powered teenage girls.

I was thinking the same thing when the show started. I also have to question the logic behind the girls butchering each other as a training excercise. Ah well, any excuse for some blood & boobs, I suppose. :)

And yeah, the hazing.. ugh. Hell's teeth, there are some complete and utter bastards in this show. Seriously, I'm hoping most of the cast get trodden on by the Nova at this point. I wouldn't want them to get assimilated and all that. I'd sooner see 'em all wasted.

Not really enjoying this, and yet I'm still watching it. What's wrong with me? :)

Fencedude

03-27-2011, 06:53 PM

Well, that was better than the last two episodes at least.

Anyway, Ganessa’s utterly useless, why is she there?

And why are Chiffon and Ticy NOT there? Wouldn’t it have made far more sense to have them be the second line with Elizabeth?

And I find it odd that destroying the corrupted stigma returns the girls to normal. That seems out of character for this show.

Ashyukun

03-27-2011, 09:19 PM

Well, that was better than the last two episodes at least.

Anyway, Ganessa’s utterly useless, why is she there?

And why are Chiffon and Ticy NOT there? Wouldn’t it have made far more sense to have them be the second line with Elizabeth?
Yeah, I really was wondering where the heck Chiffon is hiding... she's their #1, you'd think SHE would have been either THE final line of defense, or at least THERE. Though I'd not put it past her 'dropping in' on the one that made it past and taking her out.

And yeah... Ganessa did seem completely useless, which is disappointing. You'd think the Sister would have had a better handle on who would have been best to handle the defensive lines... (for that matter, how did she get from inside the Sanctum to the control room?)

HitokiriShadow

03-28-2011, 01:47 PM

"I don't know why the Nova are targetting the Holy Corpse. .... If they get it, humanity will have totally lost the war against the Nova." Yep, I can't imagine any reason the Nova might target that thing. Good god, these people are complete morons.

The fighting was actually decently good, and the Cathy vs. Rana/Satalizer stuff was kind of awesome. Though Cathy resisting the control because some guy she barely knows saying she promised to write her novel is pretty high on the stupid level for Things That Snap You Back From Mind Control.

And why are Chiffon and Ticy NOT there? Wouldn’t it have made far more sense to have them be the second line with Elizabeth?

Yeah, I was expecting them to be there somewhere too, but maybe they were the line after Elizabeth and Cathy's giant hole in the ground bypassed them. I was really disappointed not to see them in action though. Maybe if we're lucky they'll come in and deal with the one that got to the Corpse. if they were smart, they would have a last line of defense right at the corpse and it would make sense for Chiffon and Ticy to be that line, but the leadership has been repeatedly proven themselves to be complete idiots and their reactions to finding out that one of them reached to corpse suggests they have no such defense.

And I find it odd that destroying the corrupted stigma returns the girls to normal. That seems out of character for this show.

I always figured there was about a 50/50 chance of them being recoverable, but yes, it seemed more in character for the show to not allow it.

HitokiriShadow

03-28-2011, 01:50 PM

And yeah... Ganessa did seem completely useless, which is disappointing. You'd think the Sister would have had a better handle on who would have been best to handle the defensive lines... (for that matter, how did she get from inside the Sanctum to the control room?)

She seems to have gone down the hole that Cathy made and she probably just went right through where Satellizer and the others had been. The fight had moved a bit away from there, Rana and Ganessa were unconsious and Satelizer and Kazuya were a bit distracted, so it seems reasonable that she could get through there with no one to notice or stop her.

einhorn303

03-28-2011, 03:22 PM

Is it just me, or has Funi not posted Episode 11 today yet? I don't remember reading anything about a planned delay.

Ashyukun

03-28-2011, 06:05 PM

She seems to have gone down the hole that Cathy made and she probably just went right through where Satellizer and the others had been. The fight had moved a bit away from there, Rana and Ganessa were unconsious and Satelizer and Kazuya were a bit distracted, so it seems reasonable that she could get through there with no one to notice or stop her.
Actually, I meant the Sister, not the lone attacker that made it through... I assumed the attacker had just made her own hole with the drill. The Sister had at last count gone into the room with the Holy Corpse, and the next thing we see she's in the control room...:p

einhorn303

04-02-2011, 09:16 AM

Anyway, Ganessa’s utterly useless, why is she there?

To me, here uselessness is part of her moe. It reminds me of Lucifer from Umineko, my favorite of the Stakes of Purgatory.

HitokiriShadow

04-08-2011, 01:47 PM

Yep, Chiffon and Tichy at the Holy Corpse after all. Sadly, we don't get to see them actually do much.

Some pretty serious shit goes down, but in the end, the Nova are all defeated and they don't get the Holy Corpse.

And not a single Pandora died during the events. Despite the show's premise and all the gore, it didn't kill off a single named character in the entire show as far as I can recall.

We got a decent death scene for Ganessa... but she ends up being okay. I've got mixed feelings on that, as I'm glad Ganessa is still around and didn't get killed off before she could really do anything, but it just feels cheap to "kill" her and actually treat it as a death, and then she's totally okay 30 seconds later. That said, I was thinking it was a bit odd for her to die with one arm lost and no apparently significant organ damage, while Cathy is laying there with BOTH of her arms cut off and no signs that she's in mortal danger.

Some mysterious woman was watching the whole thing.... and apparently Kazuya's father is a scientist working on the Pandoras. He seems like he's probably pretty high up on the ladder.

Well, the show's first volume sold pretty well at about 5k units in the first week. Hopefully there's not much drop off and we can get a second season. The show had some major issues, but it was decently good once it finished the "Let's bully and torture Satellizer for bullshit reasons" phase. And hopefully a second season doesn't pull this 4:3 shit.

William K

04-09-2011, 04:03 AM

Yup, this ended much better than I expected. Wish they hadn't spent so much time with the bullying portions. They made all the 3rd years seem like total bitches

I laughed at Chiffon's nickname :D

Fencedude

04-11-2011, 12:52 AM

We got a decent death scene for Ganessa... but she ends up being okay. I've got mixed feelings on that, as I'm glad Ganessa is still around and didn't get killed off before she could really do anything, but it just feels cheap to "kill" her and actually treat it as a death, and then she's totally okay 30 seconds later. That said, I was thinking it was a bit odd for her to die with one arm lost and no apparently significant organ damage, while Cathy is laying there with BOTH of her arms cut off and no signs that she's in mortal danger.

Actually, she lost like, a quarter of her torso. I can buy surviving getting your arms sliced off (sorta) but really, it seems the only way to actually kill a Pandora is to take off their head, or actually slice them in half.

Anyway, decent ending, and the show was less stupid overall than certain other series this season.

And hopefully a second season would dispense with the obnoxious hazing, and we'd get more of this kind of stuff, which is actually awesome.

HitokiriShadow

04-11-2011, 01:01 AM

Actually, she lost like, a quarter of her torso. I can buy surviving getting your arms sliced off (sorta) but really, it seems the only way to actually kill a Pandora is to take off their head, or actually slice them in half.

She lost a chunk of her side, but it didn't look like anywhere near a quarter. It would likely be lethal due to shock and blood-loss for a human, but it looked like (arm-loss aside) relatively minor damage for a Pandora. Pandora's took much more lethal damage in the first episode in the... Carnival or whatever they called it.

And hopefully a second season would dispense with the obnoxious hazing, and we'd get more of this kind of stuff, which is actually awesome.

Well, at least it seems the student council group is no longer interested in such direct methods. Though even while that was going on, we had to endure random other students beating the shit out of Aurthur and... uh, that other girl. So I wouldn't be surprised to see a bit more of that, but if we're fortunate enough to get another season, I wouldn't expect it to be anywhere near as much of an issue as it was here.

pianocello

05-23-2011, 06:06 AM

Fencedude

05-23-2011, 07:24 AM

I came in to check this series initially because it was hyped as THE fanservice show of the season. The sadism and the cruelty was too much for me to find this show sexy. Aren't they all supposed to be fighting together against alien invaders? I find the reasons for beating up on Satella to be totally obnoxious and dumb. And on top of that, 8 year old rapists (I hope we never see that character in the 2nd season)
In the last 4 episodes, it seemed like the producers suddenly realized that the season was coming to an end and finally decided to go to the main story and make the characters more decent. A 2nd season is probably likely but as long as they dispense with the bullying, I might be able to tolerate this. But it sure isn't as good as Ikkitousen and Queen's Blade. And maybe some yuri would make this show better.

Shockingly, I actually agree with you on this.

I'd also add that I'm slightly annoyed that no named characters died. Normally I'm happy with this, but when even freaking Kathy manages to live, after getting Nova'd and then having her arms chopped off and basically beaten into a bloody pulp by Satellizer, I think its getting a little ridiculous

The next Divergence Eve this isn't.