Anime Draft 2011: Round 13 & post-game feedback

[dunno001]

Okay, first, let me recap the results of the draft:

19. Fencedude 63
18. Konoha 64
17. ilmaestro 65
16. William K 68.5
15. ape2020 69
14. Suwako Moriya 91.5
13. JackC 93.5
12. ibby 94
11. Jimmie M 116
10. bci110 124.5
9. Fudce 126
8. Buster Blader 126 133
7. Victor Lewandowski 151.5
6. Spirit of the Stage 157.5
5. Buckeye 160
4. TnAdct1 162
3. Proximity 167.5
2. EmperorBrandon 180.5
1. Westlo 193

And now you can pick your favorite winner in the poll! It's not-scored, so there will be no changes (barring human error on my part) to these scores.

Also, if you have any ideas on how to improve the draft for next year, feel free to post them to this thread. The draft is a game for everyone, so we value everyone's input for improvement!

[EmperorBrandon]

Also, if you have any ideas on how to improve the draft for next year, feel free to post them to this thread. The draft is a game for everyone, so we value everyone's input for improvement!

I think seeing the ejection process first hand this draft, there were a few things with it I was not very happy about (and voted against ejection despite being conflicted otherwise on the player's behavior). I think we should keep all of an ejected player's characters in the draft and able to be voted on, while simply removing that player from scoring. It's not really fair to the voters who may have wanted to vote for that player's characters. I guess the chance of it coming up again may be minimal anyway, but I would like changes to that process in case it does.

[Buckeye]

Now that the draft has finished with all of the voting results in, it's time that I stepped into the studio for one last edition of the Rapid Fire segment.

Did you end up doing as well as you expected? Which of your characters was the biggest surprise doing better than what you expected? Which of your characters was the biggest disappointment doing worse than expected? Finally, of the undrafted characters, which character did you want to draft the most, but couldn't draft due to not fitting your theme, having selected someone else from the same series, or for some other reason that prevented you from drafting that character onto your team?

[Victor Lewandowski]

Now that the draft has finished with all of the voting results in, it's time that I stepped into the studio for one last edition of the Rapid Fire segment.

Did you end up doing as well as you expected? Which of your characters was the biggest surprise doing better than what you expected? Which of your characters was the biggest disappointment doing worse than expected? Finally, of the undrafted characters, which character did you want to draft the most, but couldn't due to not fitting your theme, having selected someone else from the same series, or whatever reason that prevented you from drafting that character onto your team?

I thought that I did well enough for this draft. Biggest surprise would be Haruko getting second in Round 10. Obviously, Kirino was the biggest disappoinment getting only my own vote in the first round. I would have liked to have drafted Kotomi Ichinose from Clannad, but at the time I ultimately took Kyou Fujibayashi from Clannad, drafting Kotomi would have been a problem for me and some other teams that would have had three Mamiko Noto characters in the same round (Nodoka Miyazaki and Ai Enma had already been drafted by my turn).:sweat:

[ape2020]

Well it was so close between Eri and Asuka that I just voted Riceball! :noodle:

As for my teams performance, I would have reach my goal of rock bottom, if it wasn't for those meddling kids. Anyhoo I should have known Midori was too cute for my motley crew, but I just couldn't help myself. I should have replaced her with the mayor's bothersome fly from Super Milk-chan. :P

Guess I'm going to have to work in a dump of a theme for next year if I every going to hit that elusive pile of dung place. But if dunno gets it in his first year, I gonna cry!! :cry:

-ape2020

[something]

Oh hey, one of the options is the greatest character ever. That sure makes it easy. NAAAGIIISAAAA!

[Suwako Moriya]

I will pass on the characters not named Tsukimiya Ayu in order to vote for Tsukimiya Ayu herself. The power of Uguu must never be denied!

[TnAdct1]

Now that the draft has finished with all of the voting results in, it's time that I stepped into the studio for one last edition of the Rapid Fire segment.

Did you end up doing as well as you expected? Which of your characters was the biggest surprise doing better than what you expected? Which of your characters was the biggest disappointment doing worse than expected? Finally, of the undrafted characters, which character did you want to draft the most, but couldn't draft due to not fitting your theme, having selected someone else from the same series, or for some other reason that prevented you from drafting that character onto your team?
Biggest surprise: Chisame. Choosing her, I knew that may be a risk, given how her "strength" comes from the manga version of Negima. Thankfully, it turns out that I wasn't the only one aware of Chisame's rise of "importance" (can't really think of the right word at the moment) in the story, with her tying for 6th in her round.

Biggest disappoint: (Northern) Italy. Given how popular Hetalia is (especially when it comes to anime conventions), I thought for sure that a number of Mania members would also be getting into this show. Sadly, I was wrong.

[ilmaestro]

Topically, I went for Utena, Mio would have had my second vote if this was a "normal" round, and no-one really stands out from the rest for me to bother thinking about who would have been third.

[ilmaestro]

Now that the draft has finished with all of the voting results in, it's time that I stepped into the studio for one last edition of the Rapid Fire segment.

Did you end up doing as well as you expected? Which of your characters was the biggest surprise doing better than what you expected? Which of your characters was the biggest disappointment doing worse than expected? Finally, of the undrafted characters, which character did you want to draft the most, but couldn't draft due to not fitting your theme, having selected someone else from the same series, or for some other reason that prevented you from drafting that character onto your team?
Yeah, with just sticking to my theme I knew I wasn't going to do "well". I think the only characters who really picked up a few votes were the ones I expected to, like Tomoyo.

As for other characters, I would love to have drafted Utena again, K-ON's Yui, Madoka's Homura, and EVE no Jikan's Sammy.

[Serial Experiments Nobue]

Characters I know: Mio, Eri, Utena, Asuka, Tohru.

All great characters, but this is easy: Utena. She is the lead in my favorite series after all. :beatingheart:


Now that I've finally played along in the draft as a voter, I might be feeling brave enough to give it a try and be a rookie next year. Congrats to Westlo and all of the teams!

[bci110]

Now that I've finally played along in the draft as a voter, I might be feeling brave enough to give it a try and be a rookie next year.

Good, you can take my place cause I'm done for good playing this game.

[dunno001]

Now that I've finally played along in the draft as a voter, I might be feeling brave enough to give it a try and be a rookie next year.

Good, you can take my place cause I'm done for good playing this game.

Hm? Did something happen this year? -_- I try to keep people happy on things...

And EB, I have your request noted for request on change. Do you have any suggestions on if the motion goes through during the drafting itself, rather than the voting?

[deKLACgs]

do you really think you enjoy it?

well give you did end up hurting a person give better betray, feelings hurt, etc like did not even spare characters team.

really do you enjoy it to shatter a person chance dream?!

besides give reason i only came back here & give i'm only observe the place is just you don't give a care about me or my characters picks team.

give i'm loyal commit duty etc to anime really you hurt me.

oh look a person with such a curious wandering over fun etc person & let screw the person fun.

yea cause i'm still HURT in every level cause of what yet i'm still barely come here anymore.

besides if there any human side left in any of you hearts give a redemption to that person really besides at least for characters picks team

[Konoha]

Did you end up doing as well as you expected? Which of your characters was the biggest surprise doing better than what you expected? Which of your characters was the biggest disappointment doing worse than expected? Finally, of the undrafted characters, which character did you want to draft the most, but couldn't draft due to not fitting your theme, having selected someone else from the same series, or for some other reason that prevented you from drafting that character onto your team?

I figured bottom half since I didn't have as many well known characters as last year, and while it was farther down than I expected, everyone in the last 5 slots was pretty close. I honestly didn't think Baron Ashura would get as many votes as he/she did, and I was sad to see Hakim only got 4 votes, since he's so awesome. But then again, drafting a male is almost always a disadvantage ;)

As for liked to have drafted but couldn't - Susukihotaru from Otome Youkai Zakuro. Next year I don't think I'll throw a newbie into round 1 after seeing what happened this year :)

[William K]

Did you end up doing as well as you expected? Which of your characters was the biggest surprise doing better than what you expected? Which of your characters was the biggest disappointment doing worse than expected? Finally, of the undrafted characters, which character did you want to draft the most, but couldn't draft due to not fitting your theme, having selected someone else from the same series, or for some other reason that prevented you from drafting that character onto your team?

Yeah, more or less expected to be near the bottom since it was a theme-based team.

Biggest surprise has got to be Porco Rosso. For a character from an old Ghibli movie, he cost me last place! :D Should have picked an alternate pig character like Cho Hakkai from Gensomaden Saiyuki or Botan from Clannad.

Biggest disappointment - None really, though I thought Aries would have gotten more words, you sheep-haters! :P

[EmperorBrandon]

Do you have any suggestions on if the motion goes through during the drafting itself, rather than the voting?

The rules seem fine there, so I don't think I have any suggestions.

[ilmaestro]

As for liked to have drafted but couldn't - Susukihotaru from Otome Youkai Zakuro.
You would have had an instant vote from me. :)

[EmperorBrandon]

Finally, of the undrafted characters, which character did you want to draft the most, but couldn't draft due to not fitting your theme, having selected someone else from the same series, or for some other reason that prevented you from drafting that character onto your team?

I was going into the draft planning on making Ushio my Clannad choice at some point, and if not her, Tomoya as one of my rare male choices. I unexpectedly had to the chance to draft Nagisa in the second round though and couldn't resist so ended up not being able to draft either. I also planned on picking Noriko from Marimite, though Yumi still being available so late was nagging on me for whatever reason (was a tough choice). Also, if the drafting had been going on now, I absolutely would be drafting someone from Madoka Magica, with Homura being my highest priority.

[Buckeye]

And now, I answer my own segment for the very last time.
Did you end up doing as well as you expected? Which of your characters was the biggest surprise doing better than what you expected? Which of your characters was the biggest disappointment doing worse than expected? Finally, of the undrafted characters, which character did you want to draft the most, but couldn't draft due to not fitting your theme, having selected someone else from the same series, or for some other reason that prevented you from drafting that character onto your team?
Overall, I finished where I was hoping to with the theme I used. I was hoping for a Top 5 finish and I finished 5th overall. Of course, if I was determined to win, I would not have picked Shiro. But with my figure theme, I picked a combination of my favorites and other popular characters, which was how I wanted to play this time around. If you want to see all the figures of my team again, it can be found in this blog entry (http://www.mania.com/aodvb/blog.php?b=3881).

Biggest Surprise: Konoka. Considering how people think about Negima that I was expecting her do well, but having her win the round was a pleasant surprise. In a higher round, I was expecting middle of the pack while in the round she was in that I was expecting to be in the upper tier, but not really in contention for the win.

Biggest Disappointment: Yui. With K-On being the talk of the town that I was expecting a good showing for her, but she was definitely hurt by having to go up against Azunyan in the same round and because of that, Yui got snubbed by some of the biggest K-On fans out there and that would have put her at least in the middle of the pack.

Wanted to Draft: Homura Akemi. If I had opted to go with one of my rejected themes instead of my figure theme that I would have taken her for sure. But since there are no figures for Homu out there at this time that she did not fit into my theme. So I could not draft her this time around.

[deKLACgs]

tsk tsk shame of you all for not notice the "ghost" of the place is really you think i'm like same old from before?

while on my "resurrection of a rebirth" away from here everything changes for me now more determine, focus, wiser, etc than ever now.

give i still hold that "scar" you gave me but i will not forget i will "haunt" this area till i seek that "redepmtion".

so yea i'm "back now everything changes & nothing will be same ever again"

yet it will happen at anytime till "redemption" will happen.

[dunno001]

Repeated post

It would better behoove you to not harp on one point. Part of the rules do state that one should expand, not repeat. Many of us are seeing your multiple posts about this as repetition. If you wish to brood, feel free to continue using your blog, however, parrotting the same thing in the forums may result in action being taken.

I've stated my stance on this before- the rules clearly define what would happen. And the flac I got for making a mid-game change in a prior draft means that I won't be doing it again. If you wish to propose a change for next year, you may, however, continuing along this line only ensures that you won't be playing next year, or for the next draft in general...

[Fudce]

I enjoyed the draft again this year, and while like ever I performed well but didn't break the top players - that's fine. I don't play this thing to win, after all.

As for discussion over new rules etc - I think the rules are pretty set in their ways right now, and don't need tweaking with one exception. The ejection rules post-drafting caused a few flailed arms. Personally, I'd have prefered instead of instant ejection, for the trial to result in a ban from future drafts, unless it's proveable that the ejected player has physically cheated rather than just being considered a nuisance.

The introduction of set structure for picks (1.1 soandso) worked well and really helped me with the Big Board.

[deKLACgs]

Repeated post

It would better behoove you to not harp on one point. Part of the rules do state that one should expand, not repeat. Many of us are seeing your multiple posts about this as repetition. If you wish to brood, feel free to continue using your blog, however, parrotting the same thing in the forums may result in action being taken.

I've stated my stance on this before- the rules clearly define what would happen. And the flac I got for making a mid-game change in a prior draft means that I won't be doing it again. If you wish to propose a change for next year, you may, however, continuing along this line only ensures that you won't be playing next year, or for the next draft in general...

you're so wanting to screw me by not let me in all future draft?

give i just need keep my active & have something to do give i'm not in u.s. area.

really besides cause you SCREW me out yea look what you done to me really cause of i will make sure by whatever it takes till you redo this draft before that "SCAR" happen.

cause these "happening" will NOT stop till re-fix & redo this (bleeping) draft cause i want my characters picks team back cause now only 5 things matter to me.

yet now everything in anime to me is every anime area now PERSONAL.

[HitokiriShadow]

I think the way the ejection process was handled was mostly fine, though I think EmperorBrandon's idea is a good suggestion. However, I think in the future, the question for the ejection poll should be reworded. It really bothered me that people were voting "No" just because they had never actually read any of the threads at all. People that hadn't seen his behavior and thus were not affected by it really shouldn't have voted at all, but the wording of the question allowed for it.

[deKLACgs]

but yet you screw anime characters on this draft.

really not forgive you for it till a special redo on it will happen.

cause the way i'm feeling now in this place like wanting to taste of bloody redemption.

overall this is FLOP draft to SCREW ME to try to hurt my anime dreams.

yet you created your own "los bizarros" cause it will never end & haunt you till i get my "life" back.

[TnAdct1]

Biggest Surprise: Konoka. Considering how people think about Negima that I was expecting her do well, but having her win the round was a pleasant surprise. In a higher round, I was expecting middle of the pack while in the round she was in that I was expecting to be in the upper tier, but not really in contention for the win.
Oh yeah, Negima definitely did a decent job this year when it comes to the Draft.

Biggest Disappointment: Yui. With K-On being the talk of the town that I was expecting a good showing for her, but she was definitely hurt by having to go up against Azunyan in the same round and because of that, Yui got snubbed by some of the biggest K-On fans out there and that would have put her at least in the middle of the pack.
Being the one who picked Azunyan, I can easily see how putting two "strong" characters from the same show in the same round can be dangerous (especially when it comes to round 1, a round where all the picks are blind to the others).

[touma]

However, I think in the future, the question for the ejection poll should be reworded. It really bothered me that people were voting "No" just because they had never actually read any of the threads at all. People that hadn't seen his behavior and thus were not affected by it really shouldn't have voted at all, but the wording of the question allowed for it.

I was thinking the same thing when I read the poll. Actually, I did not vote in the poll because of that.
Up to that time I had been voting in the character polls but not really paying much attention to the posts in the threads. I abstained from voting in the ejection poll because I felt sure that it would be wrong to cast a "No" vote that really means "I have no idea what this is about."
Casting a "No" vote should require more than simply not having a reason to cast a "Yes" vote.

Also, I think that it should be made clear that the intent of the poll is to gauge how the person's behavior is affecting people's enjoyment of the poll, and not to judge the behavior. Assuming that I am correct about the intent.

[Mitsuki]

However, I think in the future, the question for the ejection poll should be reworded. It really bothered me that people were voting "No" just because they had never actually read any of the threads at all. People that hadn't seen his behavior and thus were not affected by it really shouldn't have voted at all, but the wording of the question allowed for it.

I was thinking the same thing when I read the poll. Actually, I did not vote in the poll because of that.
Up to that time I had been voting in the character polls but not really paying much attention to the posts in the threads. I abstained from voting in the ejection poll because I felt sure that it would be wrong to cast a "No" vote that really means "I have no idea what this is about."
Casting a "No" vote should require more than simply not having a reason to cast a "Yes" vote.

Also, I think that it should be made clear that the intent of the poll is to gauge how the person's behavior is affecting people's enjoyment of the poll, and not to judge the behavior. Assuming that I am correct about the intent.

I would think it ought to be something more on the lines of addressing bad sportsmanship, rather than you the voter's personal enjoyment. After all, some people have a high tolerance for other peoples' behavior...

[ilmaestro]

The only thing I would say regarding the voting for the ejection, is that until the end where deKLACgs started to post/act in either an annoying or, for a lot of you, "more annoying" way with his harping on about how he didn't want to sacrifice his "characters picks team" (the way he has his own set phrases is too hilarious), the voting was split something like 13-12, and I would like to see a new "minimum majority" set for voting people out in a situation like that.

[Betenoire]

The only thing I would say regarding the voting for the ejection, is that until the end where deKLACgs started to post/act in either an annoying or, for a lot of you, "more annoying" way with his harping on about how he didn't want to sacrifice his "characters picks team" (the way he has his own set phrases is too hilarious), the voting was split something like 13-12, and I would like to see a new "minimum majority" set for voting people out in a situation like that.

Vote was 19-15 as the 4 anonymous votes didn't count.

[Zeether]

I was surprised how far Negima characters got in this. Konoka may not win the final round, but I'm glad Setsuna's oujo-sama made it this far. I wonder why? Maybe her cuteness? Her relationship with Setsuna? Or both?

Aside from the KLAC incident (seriously, do not harp over your characters losing) this was a good draft.

[BigPants]

9 out of 10

[ilmaestro]

The only thing I would say regarding the voting for the ejection, is that until the end where deKLACgs started to post/act in either an annoying or, for a lot of you, "more annoying" way with his harping on about how he didn't want to sacrifice his "characters picks team" (the way he has his own set phrases is too hilarious), the voting was split something like 13-12, and I would like to see a new "minimum majority" set for voting people out in a situation like that.

Vote was 19-15 as the 4 anonymous votes didn't count.
Yes...?

[dunno001]

The only thing I would say regarding the voting for the ejection, is that until the end where deKLACgs started to post/act in either an annoying or, for a lot of you, "more annoying" way with his harping on about how he didn't want to sacrifice his "characters picks team" (the way he has his own set phrases is too hilarious), the voting was split something like 13-12, and I would like to see a new "minimum majority" set for voting people out in a situation like that.

Well, what would you like to see it changed to?

[ilmaestro]

No specific idea, maybe about 60%.

[Fencedude]

Did you end up doing as well as you expected? Which of your characters was the biggest surprise doing better than what you expected? Which of your characters was the biggest disappointment doing worse than expected? Finally, of the undrafted characters, which character did you want to draft the most, but couldn't draft due to not fitting your theme, having selected someone else from the same series, or for some other reason that prevented you from drafting that character onto your team?

Last Place is a success beyond my wildest imagination.

As for the rest, eh. Whatever.

[Betenoire]

The only thing I would say regarding the voting for the ejection, is that until the end where deKLACgs started to post/act in either an annoying or, for a lot of you, "more annoying" way with his harping on about how he didn't want to sacrifice his "characters picks team" (the way he has his own set phrases is too hilarious), the voting was split something like 13-12, and I would like to see a new "minimum majority" set for voting people out in a situation like that.

Vote was 19-15 as the 4 anonymous votes didn't count.
Yes...?

More than the 1 person majority you believed.

[ilmaestro]

The only thing I would say regarding the voting for the ejection, is that until the end where deKLACgs started to post/act in either an annoying or, for a lot of you, "more annoying" way with his harping on about how he didn't want to sacrifice his "characters picks team" (the way he has his own set phrases is too hilarious), the voting was split something like 13-12, and I would like to see a new "minimum majority" set for voting people out in a situation like that.

Vote was 19-15 as the 4 anonymous votes didn't count.
Yes...?

More than the 1 person majority you believed.
No, re-read my post. At the point in time I was talking about, it was still 13-12 and looking like being close, deKLACgs continued to act like a prat and at least a couple of people said "oh, well now I'm definitely voting you out".

[Betenoire]

No, re-read my post. At the point in time I was talking about, it was still 13-12 and looking like being close, deKLACgs continued to act like a prat and at least a couple of people said "oh, well now I'm definitely voting you out".

And the down side to that is? He bothered some people enough that they brought it up according to the rules-one of which has said he wants nothing to do with participating in this game going forward (Don't know if it is because of this or not). Should we allow those people bothered by a players actions the right to just leave the game themselves instead of taking action that is in the rules instead? And he went on that rant very fast. Not everyone lives on this board (heretics) and they simply may not have seen the option until later-or they simply waited to think it over and vote. Not everyone voted in the Seiyuu draft in the first 3 days-does that mean they didn't care or that they were taking more care to think over their position?

I didn't vote, but I honestly want less to do with the draft myself now (and actually was feeling bad for not having joined at one point). Some of those people seemed to be torn until he went on his "stabbing in the back" crap but that was all part of what he was doing to begin with.

The alternative is that people upset with one person's actions may decide they no longer wish to be part of the game-which kind of defeats the purpose of the game. It isn't like it is an institution that must be held, it is held because someone (dunno in this case) gets it going and people decide to play along. If at some point enough people stop would it still be worth the effort of having the game or would the game vanish as have other things like the forum buzz have?

So at what point do a majority of people get to tell someone to "Knock it the hell off!" and have it stick? Or do those people just have to have their enjoyment diminished and maybe decide they want nothing to do with the game perhaps leading to its demise going forward?

And it didn't help him any that a big cause for his being a prat was the mistaken impression that the winner is whisked off to anime land where they will be hailed as king of all cartoons. He never got the purpose of the game and seemed to interfere with those who did-Does he have the right then to do that simply because someone decides to have an open game rather than seriously limiting who can participate?

Make no mistake, the forum doesn't force anyone to include everyone in any game and it would be ridiculously easy to set up a "fixed" group of participants even if you did claim it was open to all-say PM everyone you wanted to play and have them agree on an hour to sign up and have it filled instantly).

As to the rule change if such a situation came up in the voting round I would say to leave the team in but said person has it spelled out to them that going forward they are not to engage in the behavior that got them brought up and any further will firstly invalidate all scores for their characters and may lead to being banned from the game in the future. Part of the fun of the game is seeing what others think of certain characters and not being able to vote on them takes that out of play. There were a few I was curious how they would hold up in the draft and would have liked to have seen that-but I understand that the rules were written they way they were and were enforced accordingly.

[Isuzu Inugami]

well give you did end up hurting a person give better betray,

I don't see where you get to complain of being betrayed when it's pretty obvious you yourself betrayed the draft by trying to cheat with anonymous voting. I've never seen Gundam Seed and don't know a damn thing about Lacus Clyne, but I'm willing to bet she wouldn't approve of such behavior.


Also, Utena for round 13 (though I badly want to vote for Anita and Konoka too.)

[ilmaestro]

No, re-read my post. At the point in time I was talking about, it was still 13-12 and looking like being close, deKLACgs continued to act like a prat and at least a couple of people said "oh, well now I'm definitely voting you out".

And the down side to that is?
Heh, I don't quite care enough about the issue to read and respond properly to a post of quite that length, my apologies. I think/hope that dunno understands why I mentioned it, so that will do for me.

[ibby]

Now that the draft has finished with all of the voting results in, it's time that I stepped into the studio for one last edition of the Rapid Fire segment.

Did you end up doing as well as you expected? Which of your characters was the biggest surprise doing better than what you expected? Which of your characters was the biggest disappointment doing worse than expected? Finally, of the undrafted characters, which character did you want to draft the most, but couldn't draft due to not fitting your theme, having selected someone else from the same series, or for some other reason that prevented you from drafting that character onto your team?

Inregards to where I would place in the draft, I expected to fhinish near the bottom, due to selecting a team of mostly male characters (barring the major). The character that was the biggest surprise that polled better then expected was Syaoran Li. The character that was my biggest disappointment was Kenshin (thought he would poll better). For undrafted characters that didn't make the cut are: layla hamilton (Kaliedo Star) and Celty (Durarara!!).

[dunno001]

Well, thus far, as is expected, the previously untested rules for player eviction are being suggested on for voting; let me make sure that I have all motions to vote on for rules changes correct:


No change to the eviction during the drafting phase.
Permit characters to remain in the polls, though as non-scored options (versus current of complete removal).
Make eviction percentage to remove 60% (instead of current 50.1%)
Motion in polls for banning from future drafts.


Anything else, even non-eviction related?

[Fudce]

Nothing else from me - as I said earlier things are fitting around nicely at the moment. I feel the round number (12) is perfect. Any less and it'd be over too fast. Any more and it'd drag. Likewise timers are right and the format fits like a glove.

One thing I would like to say rather than suggest - if anyone has any ideas on how to better raise the idea of proxy picking, please suggest them. Something that both rewards those who use proxies but doesn't give them an advantage.

[Jimmie M]

Now that the draft has finished with all of the voting results in, it's time that I stepped into the studio for one last edition of the Rapid Fire segment.

Did you end up doing as well as you expected? Which of your characters was the biggest surprise doing better than what you expected? Which of your characters was the biggest disappointment doing worse than expected? Finally, of the undrafted characters, which character did you want to draft the most, but couldn't draft due to not fitting your theme, having selected someone else from the same series, or for some other reason that prevented you from drafting that character onto your team?

I wasn't sure how I would do in this year's Draft but an 11th place finish was a pleasant surprise indeed along with 2 first-ever round wins.

Biggest surprise? I would say Mio since I knew that she would do well but her winning her round was a definite surprise. She never seemed to get very much love elsewhere on the forums & I'm glad to see that a good number of forum members think well of her.

Biggest disappointment? None, really.

As for an undrafted character that I might have wanted but couldn't draft...Well, one look at my current avatar will give you the answer. ;) I'd draft both Miyuki & Natsumi in every Draft if I could but I'm satisfied with alternating between them each year. Aoi Futaba (Also from YUA!) would have been a good choice too & I may yet go with him in a future Draft. We'll see...

Thanks for the very good questions in your Rapid Round segments, Buckeye!
Guys, it's been fun once again & I'm looking forward to next year's Draft (With a possible theme that I've been thinking of doing for some time-Stay tuned ;)). Congrats to Westlo on winning this year's Draft & thanks to everyone who voted for Team Bokuto:

Sae: Thank you everyone!
Natsumi (Team captain): Miyuki really raised the bar for me last year & I'm just glad we did so well. Thanks guys!
Mio: I'm glad that I was able to do my part as well. Thanks for the votes!
Maria: Back to the mansion for me. Thanks everyone!
Alicia: My my! Thank you all very much!
Duke:...
Yuri: Not much of a talker are you, big guy? Anyway, we both thank you all for voting for us!
Miyu: Miyu thanks you all too!
Ai: Time to get back to my school & shrine before Mai gets into trouble again...Who's this little pervert?
Kentaro (Looking around at all of the girls on the team): This has been VERY educational!
Miko: Nin-Nin, get away from Ai! Sheesh!
Takeo: We all did pretty well thanks to you & our coach, Officer Tsujimoto. Thanks for your support, everyone! :)

[ilmaestro]

One thing I would like to say rather than suggest - if anyone has any ideas on how to better raise the idea of proxy picking, please suggest them. Something that both rewards those who use proxies but doesn't give them an advantage.
Hmm, very interesting question. Off the top of my head, it doesn't seem like something with an "easy" answer, but the benefits of proxies are obvious enough to me without anything being changed. Perhaps just get people to post to say "I will happily accept proxies" and make a list of people in the first post of a thread? I wonder if some people don't send proxy picks out because they don't feel like bothering other people directly etc.

[Damius]

I would like to suggest something about the eviction process. To give a last chance to the potential evicted person to explain himself, when a thread is started about his eviction, why not waiting something like a week before starting the poll, like that there could be a discussion before people choose yes or no.

[Spirit Of The Stage]

Now that the draft has finished with all of the voting results in, it's time that I stepped into the studio for one last edition of the Rapid Fire segment.

Did you end up doing as well as you expected? Which of your characters was the biggest surprise doing better than what you expected? Which of your characters was the biggest disappointment doing worse than expected? Finally, of the undrafted characters, which character did you want to draft the most, but couldn't draft due to not fitting your theme, having selected someone else from the same series, or for some other reason that prevented you from drafting that character onto your team?

I ended up doing much better than expected - I didn't play to win and ended was it 5th? 6th? Surprisingly high and very chuffed.

Biggest surprise? Rena - never expected her to come 2nd, in fact never expected anyone after Kino to even make it top half. Minnie May did surprisingly well too and Vita got much higher than expected, and Tama, Ukyo and Hideyoshi didn't embarrass themselves so very happy with what I expected to put me down to mid-table all fended well for themselves.

Biggest disappointment? Don't really have one TBH as everyone was quite well - I suppose if I had to say it would be Yuki as though she would be top 3 and ended up top 6 but that's a minor disappointment and R2 is always the hardest round so feh.

Which character I wanted to draft the most that was undrafted? Anju Maaka from Karin or Chikaru Minamoto from Strawberry Panic. One of these years I will someone get one or both into my teams as they are two of my favourite underappreciated characters and basically made the shows passable or better (really liked Karin anyway, Anju made it one of my favourite underrated series, whilst Chikaru saved Strawberry Panic. No amount of yuri can save a series when the pairing are wangsty graters...Chikaru however has a harem and puppets. You can't go wrong with that...)

Another great draft overall, despite the obvious problem (no, not Fudce...:P)

[Fudce]

I would like to suggest something about the eviction process. To give a last chance to the potential evicted person to explain himself, when a thread is started about his eviction, why not waiting something like a week before starting the poll, like that there could be a discussion before people choose yes or no.

The main problem with that thought is if the ejection poll takes place during the draft.

[Buckeye]

One thing I would like to say rather than suggest - if anyone has any ideas on how to better raise the idea of proxy picking, please suggest them. Something that both rewards those who use proxies but doesn't give them an advantage.
I am thinking that those who use proxies should get a fourth vote in a round that they choose during the voting stage for each time they use a proxy.

[Betenoire]

One thing I would like to say rather than suggest - if anyone has any ideas on how to better raise the idea of proxy picking, please suggest them. Something that both rewards those who use proxies but doesn't give them an advantage.
I am thinking that those who use proxies should get a fourth vote in a round that they choose during the voting stage for each time they use a proxy.

I like this, especially if the person doing the proxying can earn an extra one as well...then again, I also wonder if this won't cause dunno a giant headache. :sd:

[Isuzu Inugami]

I am thinking that those who use proxies should get a fourth vote in a round that they choose during the voting stage for each time they use a proxy.

No one would make their own picks anymore.... :sweat:

Also, aren't you guys obsessing over proxies a little too much? Yes, they're a courtesy if you're going to be away from the computer half a day, and a necessity if you're going to be away from the computer for a week; but the idea is to have fun with the draft rather than trying to push it to Mach-Go-Go-Go speeds, right?

[Suwako Moriya]

I like this, especially if the person doing the proxying can earn an extra one as well...then again, I also wonder if this won't cause dunno a giant headache. :sd:

The potential to cause a headache and the potential for arguments is exactly why I'd rather not have such a reward happen.

Besides, it comes off less a reward and more as a bribe. Ok, you can argue there isn't much of a difference, but whatever.

On a final note, I don't want people deciding to use proxies merely because of incentives. I think it's much better to be done naturally.

[Fudce]

One thing I would like to say rather than suggest - if anyone has any ideas on how to better raise the idea of proxy picking, please suggest them. Something that both rewards those who use proxies but doesn't give them an advantage.
I am thinking that those who use proxies should get a fourth vote in a round that they choose during the voting stage for each time they use a proxy.

I like this, especially if the person doing the proxying can earn an extra one as well...then again, I also wonder if this won't cause dunno a giant headache. :sd:

I don't. It rewards those who use proxies, but penalises those who don't need proxies.

[dunno001]

One thing I would like to say rather than suggest - if anyone has any ideas on how to better raise the idea of proxy picking, please suggest them. Something that both rewards those who use proxies but doesn't give them an advantage.
I am thinking that those who use proxies should get a fourth vote in a round that they choose during the voting stage for each time they use a proxy.

I like this, especially if the person doing the proxying can earn an extra one as well...then again, I also wonder if this won't cause dunno a giant headache. :sd:

I don't. It rewards those who use proxies, but penalises those who don't need proxies.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to vote it down based on this also. While I do think it would be nice to do something for people who proxy, I can't condone something that would penalize those who don't.

[Fudce]

One thing I would like to say rather than suggest - if anyone has any ideas on how to better raise the idea of proxy picking, please suggest them. Something that both rewards those who use proxies but doesn't give them an advantage.
I am thinking that those who use proxies should get a fourth vote in a round that they choose during the voting stage for each time they use a proxy.

I like this, especially if the person doing the proxying can earn an extra one as well...then again, I also wonder if this won't cause dunno a giant headache. :sd:

I don't. It rewards those who use proxies, but penalises those who don't need proxies.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to vote it down based on this also. While I do think it would be nice to do something for people who proxy, I can't condone something that would penalize those who don't.

I do like that people are answering my calls for that magic bullet though. More ideas even ones we can't use isn't a bad thing.

A way to incentivise those who would normally take longer to pick to use proxies, without penalising those who wouldn't normally need to use a proxy.

[Fudce]

I do like that people are answering my calls for that magic bullet though. More ideas even ones we can't use isn't a bad thing.

A way to incentivise those who would normally take longer to pick to use proxies, without penalising those who wouldn't normally need to use a proxy.

How does this sound as an idea - one that I've toyed with in the past for the VA Draft.

At the moment we have twelve rounds. The first round is not picked sequentially, so we have five snakes, and the final twelfth round with no snake.

Instead of opting to use the "reverse order of how they sent in their round one picks" idea - why not have the final round order be determined by participants average pick time over the ten previous rounds - thus incentivising people to pick faster if they want prime position in round twelve?

[Buckeye]

One thing I would like to say rather than suggest - if anyone has any ideas on how to better raise the idea of proxy picking, please suggest them. Something that both rewards those who use proxies but doesn't give them an advantage.
I am thinking that those who use proxies should get a fourth vote in a round that they choose during the voting stage for each time they use a proxy.

I like this, especially if the person doing the proxying can earn an extra one as well...then again, I also wonder if this won't cause dunno a giant headache. :sd:

I don't. It rewards those who use proxies, but penalises those who don't need proxies.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to vote it down based on this also. While I do think it would be nice to do something for people who proxy, I can't condone something that would penalize those who don't.

I'm sort of on the same boat. I don't think a reward is necessary. The gesture of goodwill is already incentive enough to do use proxies.

[Merliwolf]

Well, thus far, as is expected, the previously untested rules for player eviction are being suggested on for voting; let me make sure that I have all motions to vote on for rules changes correct:


No change to the eviction during the drafting phase.
Permit characters to remain in the polls, though as non-scored options (versus current of complete removal).
Make eviction percentage to remove 60% (instead of current 50.1%)
Motion in polls for banning from future drafts.


Anything else, even non-eviction related?

Honestly his attitude makes me feel that full punitive action needs to be done just like it was in this case. If the characters do remain in polls, they should be noted as being NOT part of the original troll's team.
Also I don't see any point in increasing the eviction percentage. This just makes it easier for annoying people to stick around since there's far too many tolerant people on this board ;)

[dunno001]

Well, thus far, as is expected, the previously untested rules for player eviction are being suggested on for voting; let me make sure that I have all motions to vote on for rules changes correct:


No change to the eviction during the drafting phase.
Permit characters to remain in the polls, though as non-scored options (versus current of complete removal).
Make eviction percentage to remove 60% (instead of current 50.1%)
Motion in polls for banning from future drafts.


Anything else, even non-eviction related?

I don't like quoting myself, but it helps for keeping things organized. Adding the following:


Permit a start delay for evictee to explain themselves.
Make a known seed be the average time for picks.


Go ahead and keep them coming in.

[dunno001]

Okay, because next year's draft will be held over at The Fandom Post, I wanted to bring attention to the fact that the rules are being voted on for it now (http://www.fandompost.com/forums/showthread.php?1096-Anime-Draft-2012-Voting-on-proposed-rule-changes), so if you want a say, please register there and vote. Polling ends in 7 days.