Steins;Gate Discussion Thread

[Westlo]

Going by Amazon rankings this has already won the Spring Season when it comes to sales.... anyway this is second VN collaboration between 5pb. and Nitroplus. And just like the first collaboration in Chaos;Head this is being turned into an anime.

Chaos;Head disappointed a lot of people but there is some key differences here... for starters this has a big budget behind it, secondly WHITE FOX is animating it instead of one of Madhouse's B teams, and of course this is going to be 2 cours long instead of 1.

Vocal Cast is top notch, Miyano Mamoru as the lead with Imai Asami, Tamura Yukari, Hanazawa Kana, and Seki Tomokazu being the other main characters.

ANN Entry (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com.au/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=11770)
Official website (http://steinsgate.tv/)

PV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27OZc-ku6is)

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[superdry]

I have high hopes for this adaptation. Two cour seems like there will be enough episodes to flesh out the story.

Also, the plot device is definitely more interesting than Chaos;Head. It might have been good, but seemed to have been poorly executed in the anime. Time travel on the other hand is a more common scenario.

I have no clue where I am in the game (combination of not fully understanding and haven't touched it for a few months), but I wonder if anyone else here at AoD has played the game? Johnny or ilmaestro, maybe?

[superdry]

Wow...that was pretty awesome.

We get to meet some of the main characters:

Rintarou/Kyouma - crazy and paranoid. Leader of the strange research group. An agency is after him for some reason - has to deal with whatever he's researching. Pretty awesome character.

Mayuri - cute, childhood friend who seems to be tagging along.

Kurisu - mysterious researcher who is linked to Rintarou. he contacted her 15 minutes ago...what was it? I hope the series explains what that was all about.

Itaru - third member and computer genius of the research group. An otaku of sorts.

This episode has some good setup for the rest of the series and questions to be answered. Rintarou experiences a bizarre timeskip where he is the only one who knows what happened before the skip. And, things have changed in whatever time line he's in now. How did that happen?

Being able to send a text message in the past - what the? What's even crazier for Rintarou is seeing Kurisu alive at the end considering he saw her dead in the beginning.

Looks like I'll have to re-start playing the game and follow along with the anime to understand the plot.

[Westlo]

Duturu~

I can't get "Duturu~" out of my head, damn Hanazawa! Also the Nico stream rip is horrible, colors washed out etc but I got to watch it early so I can't complain. I really, really hope the ED isn't something completely out of place like Super Special from Chaos Head. While that is an ED theme I really like, as an ED to that show it was so horribly misplaced. OMG KURISU IS STILL ALIVE AND *WE'RE SUPER SPECIAL!!*

Rintarou looks like being a much better lead than Takumi, but that's not really saying much... Miyano seems like he's having a blast playing that role. Duturu~ oh god Mayuri so moe Duturu~. Looking forward too seeing a lot more Kurisu....

Anyway intriguing first episode, looking forward to watching this is much better quality in a few days. Anyway since Chaos;Head shows we should be paranoid about everything.. Mayuri is so evil and those Dr.Pepper drinks are spiked!!! Duturu~Duturu~Duturu~

Duturu~

[superdry]

Duturu~

...

Duturu~

Hehe. That's really cute and I won't be surprised if some MADs are made from that. It's funny that Mayuri seems out of place in the group even though she is the childhood friend of Rintarou.

Episode 1 had some good, funny moments among the seriousness. The writing, so far, has been excellent.

[HitokiriShadow]

Uh, well, that was bizarre. And just the kind of weirdness I was looking forward to from something based on a Nitroplus game. The main guy is only slightly more sane than the one in Chaos;Head.... and that guy was pretty fucked up. So now an already unhinged guy has to deal with this time travel weirdness, like sending messages into the past and a girl he saw stabbed to death coming back to life. .

Mayuri doesn't seem to be all there mentally either. Odds of her killing someone, or at least trying to, are pretty high. But for the time being.... Mmmm, delicious awesome loopy Hanazawa Kana.

And with time travel involved, we can probably look forward to more of the cast being murdered at least once. Let us hope no one decides to play Hannibal Lector in this one though.

Oh, and this was a pretty weird, WTF episode, but the one thing that does actually make sense is Kurisu (Chris?) talking about Rintarou trying to tell her something. Obviously (it seems) some other version of him that had already experienced this was trying to give her some sort of warning to stop her from getting killed.

Anyway, very nice first episode. Hopefully the show can keep it up and remain good throughout the show and not completely fall apart at some point like Chaos;Head did. Though I suspect that was at least partially a result of trying to cram a large, complicated storyline into far too few episodes and probably making up a large chunk of those end episodes. Hopefully Steins;Gate's 25 episode count will prevent that kind of thing from happening, though certainly no episode count can fully immunize a show from capsizing at some point.

[Fencedude]

Yay, Itou Kanako did the OP. Expected, but still good to know.

Otherwise, I have no fucking clue what just happened.

I just know that Mayushii is adorable (fuck yeah Hanazawa Kana!) and that Kurisu's hot.

And Okarin is insane. But thats fine.

Also, I think the audio on CR's version was fucked.

[HitokiriShadow]

Also, I think the audio on CR's version was fucked.

What was the problem? I had some strange issues earlier that I resolved by switching to 480 then back to 720p. But if you actually watched the whole thing on CR, then it wasn't the problems I was having. My problems made it completely unwatchable, because the problem was that all of the voices sounded like they were being spoken by choking chipmunk robots.

[Fencedude]

Also, I think the audio on CR's version was fucked.

What was the problem? I had some strange issues earlier that I resolved by switching to 480 then back to 720p. But if you actually watched the whole thing on CR, then it wasn't the problems I was having. My problems made it completely unwatchable, because the problem was that all of the voices sounded like they were being spoken by choking chipmunk robots.

Major background static. I think it was at least partially intentional, but I'm not sure.

I actually did watch it all on CR because the other choice was just as bad, but in visual ways.

I hope someone sorts this out by episode 2.

[muhootsaver]

Also, I think the audio on CR's version was fucked.

What was the problem? I had some strange issues earlier that I resolved by switching to 480 then back to 720p. But if you actually watched the whole thing on CR, then it wasn't the problems I was having. My problems made it completely unwatchable, because the problem was that all of the voices sounded like they were being spoken by choking chipmunk robots.

Major background static. I think it was at least partially intentional, but I'm not sure.

I actually did watch it all on CR because the other choice was just as bad, but in visual ways.

I hope someone sorts this out by episode 2.

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-703761/steinsgate-episode1-audio-noise

[bear]

Meh. So far I found all of the characters except Kurisu annoying or just weird. I'll check out a few more episodes, but my expectations for this are low. I had thought they were going to play this straight.

[Fencedude]

I had thought they were going to play this straight.

...play what straight?

[bear]

I had thought they were going to play this straight.

...play what straight?

Straight Sci-Fi as opposed to having a whacked out, paranoid, self described mad scientist who's inventions are just numbered and he doesn't even seem to know what they're supposed to do.

[Westlo]

Hush you agency lapdog!

[Fencedude]

I had thought they were going to play this straight.

...play what straight?

Straight Sci-Fi as opposed to having a whacked out, paranoid, self described mad scientist who's inventions are just numbered and he doesn't even seem to know what they're supposed to do.

...you know this was a Nitro+ game, right?

[bear]

...you know this was a Nitro+ game, right?

Nope. That could explain it...

[Ashyukun]

I had thought they were going to play this straight.

...play what straight?

Straight Sci-Fi as opposed to having a whacked out, paranoid, self described mad scientist who's inventions are just numbered and he doesn't even seem to know what they're supposed to do.

...you know this was a Nitro+ game, right?
Yeah... going into this, "whacked out and insane" was about all I figured would be predictable about it.

Great first episode though- I found it a lot more appealing than I did Chaos;Head which I dropped after the first episode. This I'm in for at least the next episode if not the rest of the series. Hanazawa + Miyano is great.

[superdry]

Oh, and this was a pretty weird, WTF episode, but the one thing that does actually make sense is Kurisu (Chris?) talking about Rintarou trying to tell her something. Obviously (it seems) some other version of him that had already experienced this was trying to give her some sort of warning to stop her from getting killed.



Rintarou did see that weird ship/spacepod thing land on the roof of Radio Kaikan, but couldn't get a good look at the person that came out of it. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Rintarou from a different time.

After the weird timeskip, that spacepod thing has now crashed into the building. So, something has happened where the current Rintaou is now in a different timeline. I still wonder if they'll explain how he experienced that and still remembers what happened before, but no one else does.

[muhootsaver]

Second episode preview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVz_B9dbvXk

[EmperorBrandon]

Second episode preview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVz_B9dbvXk

Looks like some more characters are going to show up. Looking forward to seeing what they're like.

[Sly05]

This episode was mainly setup but it has me intrigued with where the series will go. I'm not sure if there was actual time travel or main character is just nuts though I'm guessing its a bit of both. I will definitely check out episode 2.

[William K]

Duturu~

I can't get "Duturu~" out of my head, damn Hanazawa!

I wonder if how long it will take before my colleagues throttle me if I use that for my phone message tone :)

[Damius]

Going by Amazon rankings this has already won the Spring Season when it comes to sales.... anyway this is second VN collaboration between 5pb. and Nitroplus. And just like the first collaboration in Chaos;Head this is being turned into an anime.

Chaos;Head disappointed a lot of people but there is some key differences here... for starters this has a big budget behind it, secondly WHITE FOX is animating it instead of one of Madhouse's B teams, and of course this is going to be 2 cours long instead of 1.


Should I watch Chaos;Head first? Or I don't need to watch it?

[Ashyukun]

Should I watch Chaos;Head first? Or I don't need to watch it?
I don't think they're at all related/interconnected, but I don't know for certain. They're just from the same company. I've not seen/heard anything that says you need to see one before the other. If they are related, I'd imagine it would be a 'in the same world' thing like DRRR and Bacano.

[Damius]

Should I watch Chaos;Head first? Or I don't need to watch it?
I don't think they're at all related/interconnected, but I don't know for certain. They're just from the same company. I've not seen/heard anything that says you need to see one before the other. If they are related, I'd imagine it would be a 'in the same world' thing like DRRR and Bacano.

Ok, Well that must be it, I asked the question after reading on MAL:

Steins;Gate is set in the summer of 2010, approximately one year after the events that took place in Chaos;Head, in Akihabara.

Well, if Chaos;Head doesn't seems that good, I won't watch it.

[Ashyukun]

Steins;Gate is set in the summer of 2010, approximately one year after the events that took place in Chaos;Head, in Akihabara.

Well, if Chaos;Head doesn't seems that good, I won't watch it.
Someone who actually watched/played Chaos;Head (or ideally, played both it and this...) will have to answer definitively. My assumption was C;H wasn't required viewing since nobody who seemed to be in the know had stated as such. Generally shows that require knowledge from something previous make some attempt at filling in the really important info a new viewer would need though... they'll want to increase the fanbase after all...

[superdry]

Steins;Gate is set in the summer of 2010, approximately one year after the events that took place in Chaos;Head, in Akihabara.

Well, if Chaos;Head doesn't seems that good, I won't watch it.
Someone who actually watched/played Chaos;Head (or ideally, played both it and this...) will have to answer definitively. My assumption was C;H wasn't required viewing since nobody who seemed to be in the know had stated as such. Generally shows that require knowledge from something previous make some attempt at filling in the really important info a new viewer would need though... they'll want to increase the fanbase after all...

Yea, there's no need to watch Chaos;Head before Steins;Gate. The only relation they have are crazy story, developed by the same people and takes place in the same setting.

I don't even think characters from C;H make any sort of noted cameo in S;G - if they do, they might just appear as characters in the background.

[Damius]

Steins;Gate is set in the summer of 2010, approximately one year after the events that took place in Chaos;Head, in Akihabara.Well, if Chaos;Head doesn't seems that good, I won't watch it.
Someone who actually watched/played Chaos;Head (or ideally, played both it and this...) will have to answer definitively. My assumption was C;H wasn't required viewing since nobody who seemed to be in the know had stated as such. Generally shows that require knowledge from something previous make some attempt at filling in the really important info a new viewer would need though... they'll want to increase the fanbase after all...

Yea, there's no need to watch Chaos;Head before Steins;Gate. The only relation they have are crazy story, developed by the same people and takes place in the same setting.

I don't even think characters from C;H make any sort of noted cameo in S;G - if they do, they might just appear as characters in the background.

Ok, thanks for your precision.

[sickVisionz]

I just saw the first episode and enjoyed it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNs899PWnoo) a lot more than what I saw of Chaos;Head. Hopefully they don't follow suit and turn an interesting murder mystery into some nonsense about rock stars summoning demon swords.

[William K]

I don't even think characters from C;H make any sort of noted cameo in S;G - if they do, they might just appear as characters in the background.

Does FES singing the ED count?

[superdry]

I don't even think characters from C;H make any sort of noted cameo in S;G - if they do, they might just appear as characters in the background.

Does FES singing the ED count?

haha. I would say so. =D

Since it is an adaptation, I would not be surprised if some of the Chaos;Head characters do make a cameo as passer bys.

[Fencedude]

I just saw the first episode and enjoyed it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNs899PWnoo) a lot more than what I saw of Chaos;Head. Hopefully they don't follow suit and turn an interesting murder mystery into some nonsense about rock stars summoning demon swords.

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[something]

Episode 1:

- Hanazawa Kana!
- She's adorable. I bet she dies.
- I'm really liking Miyano Mamoru as Okabe. A lot of quirkiness without being annoying.
- He's also delusional. :sd:
- ...What kind of lab equipment can you buy with ~$115, exactly?

- And that was an unpleasant scream.
- Kurisu is dead! ...not really.
- Was that a satellite crashed into the building? Or maybe it was Mayuri's spaceship. >_>

Op is okay.

- Yep, satellite. And Okarin is totally unhinged. :sd:
- Don't make Alpacaman mad! I loooooooooooooooove Mayuri.
- This show is delightfully silly right so far. No doubt it'll be much more serious soon.

That was pretty awesome. Provided it doesn't get particularly gory, I'll totally be watching.

[strangefour]

-Mad "scientist." *snicker*
-Metal Oopa is the best Oopa.
-Alpacaman-san. Uh... okay.
-"Your banana is all floppy." :3

I have no idea what went on but that was a fun ride.

[strangefour]

-Temporal anomolies can not be good for the mental health of an already unstable man.
-Kurisu's outfit is so adorable. But a bit impractical. Then again maybe the arm straps on her jacket are there so it doesn't fall off her small shoulders.
-"Okarin too-ta-roo~" <3
-Ruka is an ultra class trap.
-Time travel or insanity, which is ruling Okarin's life more?

-Somehow he manages to meet a cute girl who might be deeper into the ocean of insanity than he.
-I love the little nekomimi twin curl tails maid who is an avid G Gundam fan.
-"She's 3D but she has a 2D soul!" Ahahahaha!
-That is one creepy gel banana.

I still don't really know what's going on. And that is fantastic. This has just become my favorite show of the season.

[Fencedude]

Kurisu talking about String Theory is hot.

We meet the other girls from the OP as well. Though the Miko is technically not a girl.

And lol at the Tamura Yukari character. OHAAAAAAAAA!

That nekomimi maid waitress is very obviously Momoi Halko.

WTF Gel-bana?

[Ashyukun]

Ok, the second episode solidly confirms this show is awesome. We just keep getting more and more awesome characters... mostly girls- and one epic Miko trap. Mayuri works at a nekomimi cafe... and has an awesome co-worker. Mayuri (my iPad just autocorrected her name to 'Mayhem' :sd:) has to be one of the best Hanazawa characters yet... she manages to be both oddly practical and a complete space cadet all at once.

It seems obvious that they sent the banana back in time to before it had been broke off- but that it was of course gelled in the process. I wonder how many text messages to the past one banana charge gets him? Does it only work with bananas because of their inherent radioactivity?

[bear]

-Ruka is an ultra class trap.

Okarin is so whacked out I'm not sure I even trust anything he says.

[Sly05]

More awesome girls and a trap. I hope the maid cafe girl gets some decent screen time.

Okarin being crushed in the debate was pretty fun. The way Kurisu rubbed it in was great.

It's still hard to say much about the plot as the pieces are just starting to reveal themselves, but a microwave time machine makes for an interesting time traveling device.

[HitokiriShadow]

Several new characters this episode, plus Kurisu for more than three lines before she gets stabbed to death. Loved her "Hououin-san" dig everytime she ended a sentence in her presentation.

I'm going to take a wild guess that the pink haired maid cafe girl is Feliz Nyannyan. She's lots of fun.

Kiryu Moeka seems to be having her own time-slip experience, but Okarin is too dense to figure it out. I love the sudden personality switch she showed in the e-mail. It would be nice to see her like that at some point in person.

Suzuha was my favorite new character (though it was a close competition with Nyannyan-chan), though its too early to say if she'll be my favorite character overall. Kurisu and Mayuri both have lots of potential, and Nyannyan is a lot to compete with in terms of sheer fun.

Also, goddamn traps. "She" would have ranked dead last anyway, but still.

And as for the plot, uh, that's one fucked up microwave. Looks like its some sort of half-assed time machine, as it sent the banana back and time but also basically ripped it apart on a cellular level.

[HitokiriShadow]

-Ruka is an ultra class trap.

Okarin is so whacked out I'm not sure I even trust anything he says.

It's a good idea to take anything he says with a big grain of salt, but he's probably right about Ruka. Maybe its just the psychological effect of knowing he's a trap, but he seemed distinctly male, albeit very briefly, when he bowed to bid Okarin farewell.

[Fencedude]

-Ruka is an ultra class trap.

Okarin is so whacked out I'm not sure I even trust anything he says.

It's a good idea to take anything he says with a big grain of salt, but he's probably right about Ruka. Maybe its just the psychological effect of knowing he's a trap, but he seemed distinctly male, albeit very briefly, when he bowed to bid Okarin farewell.

Also, Mayushii calls him "Ruka-kun"

[strangefour]

-Ruka is an ultra class trap.

Okarin is so whacked out I'm not sure I even trust anything he says.

It's a good idea to take anything he says with a big grain of salt, but he's probably right about Ruka. Maybe its just the psychological effect of knowing he's a trap, but he seemed distinctly male, albeit very briefly, when he bowed to bid Okarin farewell.

Also, Mayushii calls him "Ruka-kun"

To be fair, Mayushii is also crazy. But an honest more in touch with reality than Okarin kind of crazy. So yeah, Ruka is a very very pretty little boy. So pretty.

[superdry]

Oooh...things just get a little weirder, but now more questions come up. The writing is still excellent and witty.

I have to say that Kurisu pulls off the jacket hanging off the shoulders look very well. Too bad her character design seems the most shafted from Huke's original design...a little too bland.

So, we learn about SERN - looks like this might be the organization that Kyouma is paranoid about. Moeka - another strange one, maybe working for SERN? I wonder what's so interesting about the IBN 5100.

John Titor - this is interesting. Why do I have a feeling that he is Rintaro from the future. The number of search results also suddenly increases from 12 to 56 when Kyouma looks for his books. Interesting.


Also, goddamn traps. "She" would have ranked first anyway, but still.


Corrected. =D

[pathos]

Even though I have like, 0 data to go off of, this show has me trying to puzzle it out at episode 2. I'd say that's a mark of a good show :P

At the very least, I was trying to puzzle out the differences in the 2 worlds were Okarin started, and the one he ended up in.

First one, the "satellite" (i'm guessing its a time machine) landed safely on the roof. On the second, it crashed (appeared?) in the middle of the building.

First, we actually saw someone who might have been the pilot? Second, we didn't.

First, the lecture happened, second it didn't.

First, Kurusu died, second, she didn't.

I feel like I'm missing some things. Heh, probably going around in circles over something not important anyway.

And was it just me, or did the appliance store part timer remind anyone else of the person at the "satellite" from the first world?

[strangefour]

HOLY SHIT! They didn't just make John Titor (http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A6345407) up! That makes this show even crazier.

[superdry]

HOLY SHIT! They didn't just make John Titor (http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A6345407) up! That makes this show even crazier.

That's pretty awesome. Not surprised though since the show does use other things based or loosely based on the real-world.

So, my previous statement stands that the "John Titor" that Kyouma sees on the Japanese boards is most likely him from a different timeline considering Titor should be an American.

[something]

Episode 2:

- Let's have another go! Kurisu is alive and Okarin is going a but nutty.
- Oh man Kurisu is cute, getting all tense about the lecture. Cute isn't the sense I expected to get from her.
- HAH, thoroughly, utterly defeated. And she looked good stomping him down. Interesting how in the "real" timeline he gets humiliated while in "his" timeline he was the intellectual champion.

- Mayuri! Yay! And a cute miko named Ruka. And wait isn't that Kobayashi... yeah it is. Nice to hear her not screeching insane for once. That can be fun (see Shouko in Touka Gettan) but after the horror that was Daphne in Fairy Tail, I really want some subdued Kobayashi.
- Heh. I love how Mayuri so politely pisses on Okarin's delusions. ¥980 at the weapons shop! I wonder how conscious it is.
- Bwhhaha, the cute miko is a dude. Still good, still good!

- Yukariiiiiiiiiiiiin! I could tell it was you from the very first OHAAA!
- Go go epic job interview.
- And a whoooole lot of Titor talk.

- Oh hey, Okarin meets someone who may be as messed up as he is. Photos as proof of where she was today. Hmm. Memento-like memory deficiency, or is she having the same time-line difficulties Okarin is? Either way, it's understandable why her phone is basically her life.

- MAYUSHII NYANNYAN!!! <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
- HOLY SHIT IT'S MOMOI HARUKO! God I haven't heard her in anime in ages. Which is just fucking tragic. ;_;
- Moeka... is very different in text.

- More banana experiments. Did the banana time travel?
- Haha oh god the ending was awesome.

I loooooooove this show.

[strangefour]

-Kurisu is here. Okarin freaks out. Banana is still an enigma.
-Hentai tensai!
-"Hahida-san good job" :D
-Having a microwave time machine is interesting but possibly not all that useful. -It limits size and you are smacking whatever is in there with radiation.
-Shining Finger-tan!
-Large Hadron Collider-tan <_<
-Well you can't possibly be worse at keeping a secret than Okarin, miss pigtails.
-Mayushii is so sweetly innocent. She must be insane to hang around Okarin.

I'm going insane, or this is starting to make more sense. Hooray! It's so very hard to decide who the cutest girl is.

[Fencedude]

Ah!

...No, I have no idea.

[superdry]

So, as more stuff get's explained, more stuff is unexplained. WTF. Just, WTF. This series is definitely crazier than I thought.


-Having a microwave time machine is interesting but possibly not all that useful. -It limits size and you are smacking whatever is in there with radiation.


But, the most important thing of the microwave time machine is the ability to send txt messages back in time. That in itself is the key and Okarin is starting to realize what happening even though he has to be certified insane.


-Mayushii is so sweetly innocent. She must be insane to hang around Okarin.

Juicy Kara-age #1! I think Mayushii and Makise should get a bed together. I like how happy she was when she met Makise.

On a side note, I will have to say it again...Makise makes wearing a jacket off the shoulders damn sexy.

[bear]

So, as more stuff get's explained, more stuff is unexplained. WTF. Just, WTF. This series is definitely crazier than I thought.

They keep throwing the kitchen sink at us. Crashing satellites, LHC, time travel, SERN as a world dictator, many worlds theory, why Okarin attracts girls....

[strangefour]

-Having a microwave time machine is interesting but possibly not all that useful. -It limits size and you are smacking whatever is in there with radiation.


But, the most important thing of the microwave time machine is the ability to send txt messages back in time. That in itself is the key and Okarin is starting to realize what happening even though he has to be certified insane.


Okay that part is impressive when you think about it. Mainly because it is the only type (hah pun) of time travel that might actually (eventually) work in the real world. A device that could send messages through itself from any point after it was turned on until whenever it's shut off. Still crazy theoretical. But not as insane as sending physical matter through space and time (something only the punch of a sufficiently large super robot could ever do).

[strangefour]

So, as more stuff get's explained, more stuff is unexplained. WTF. Just, WTF. This series is definitely crazier than I thought.

They keep throwing the kitchen sink at us. Crashing satellites, LHC, time travel, SERN as a world dictator, many worlds theory, why Okarin attracts girls....

Well half of that stuff is ripped from old John Titor internet madness. But damn it Stein's Gate isn't taking an esoteric net prank and running with it beautifully.

Really do want to know why Okarin is a chick magnet. Maybe crazy is sexy?

[pathos]

-Having a microwave time machine is interesting but possibly not all that useful. -It limits size and you are smacking whatever is in there with radiation.


But, the most important thing of the microwave time machine is the ability to send txt messages back in time. That in itself is the key and Okarin is starting to realize what happening even though he has to be certified insane.

I'm thinking his phone has more to do with it than the microwave. Working in tandem, sure. But, the original text that got sent back in time was when he was out at the convention, not at the lab. Perhaps his phone is the trigger, and it was making the microwave do the work for physcial objects. He was using his phone to turn the microwave on as a remote control, iirc.

So, as more stuff get's explained, more stuff is unexplained. WTF. Just, WTF. This series is definitely crazier than I thought.

They keep throwing the kitchen sink at us. Crashing satellites, LHC, time travel, SERN as a world dictator, many worlds theory, why Okarin attracts girls....

Well half of that stuff is ripped from old John Titor internet madness. But damn it Stein's Gate isn't taking an esoteric net prank and running with it beautifully.

Really do want to know why Okarin is a chick magnet. Maybe crazy is sexy?

Perhaps they are all really out to get him :D

heck, I'd like to think Mayuri is just a friend, but some of the stuff at the end of the episode makes me doubt even that :P

but, perhaps chaos head has me suspecting everyone for no reason :sweat:

[TheGreenMan]

While this show doesn't reach of the levels are Lain fuckedupness, it's pretty close. I can only imagine what Ryutaro Nakamura could have done with this...
Anyway...Mayuri is adorable as hell.
Damn, the way Kurisu wears that sweater off her shoulder makes her hot. I wonder if those straps on her upper arms hold it there.
I wonder if microwaving bananas really does that. Green?
Fukuyama should have voiced the lead guy. He has a better laugh.

Really...what in the hell is going on in this show?

[TheGreenMan]

Kurisu is alive! What happened to her personality?
SERN? Really? Media really loves portraying these guys as evil. (BTW...I'm talking about CERN).
Ruka-kun? Isn't that a gir--
Oh...it's a boy. Delicious trap! I'd hit it.
Oh hey, Mayuri works at a maid cafe.
More microwaving bananas!
And it vanishes. Ohhhhh...
Kurisu appears!

[HitokiriShadow]

Mayuri makes a new friend, Mayuri is happy!
New friend runs away, Mayuri is sad. :(

As for the time machine/SERN plot.... uh, well, kind of hard to say anything at this point. Things are happening, but we really don't have enough to do anything but observe at the moment.

[Suwako Moriya]

Who knew that text messages could result in complicated scenarios?

Especially when they're paired with time line related confusion.

I think the main thing I was focused on was Mayuri and that will surprise absolutely no one.

[zalder]

-Kurisu is here. Okarin freaks out. Banana is still an enigma.
-Hentai tensai!
-"Hahida-san good job" :D
-Having a microwave time machine is interesting but possibly not all that useful. -It limits size and you are smacking whatever is in there with radiation.
-Shining Finger-tan!
-Large Hadron Collider-tan <_<
-Well you can't possibly be worse at keeping a secret than Okarin, miss pigtails.
-Mayushii is so sweetly innocent. She must be insane to hang around Okarin.

I'm going insane, or this is starting to make more sense. Hooray! It's so very hard to decide who the cutest girl is.

I love this show! Not since noein has a show been so interesting. Though really anything with time travel in it is going to interest me to some level. Still this is incredibly awesome. Did figure out in the first episode that oh he tried to keep her from being killed...but I do love an insane guy who may just not be insane....(and yes the trap was cute...)

[zalder]

Oh and after the mention of mixing up German and English I looked up the definition of Stein in German. Seems to mean ancient, though it is usually combined with other words. Not sure if that is a hint of anything to come or not, but thought I would mention it.

-Kurisu is here. Okarin freaks out. Banana is still an enigma.
-Hentai tensai!
-"Hahida-san good job" :D
-Having a microwave time machine is interesting but possibly not all that useful. -It limits size and you are smacking whatever is in there with radiation.
-Shining Finger-tan!
-Large Hadron Collider-tan <_<
-Well you can't possibly be worse at keeping a secret than Okarin, miss pigtails.
-Mayushii is so sweetly innocent. She must be insane to hang around Okarin.

I'm going insane, or this is starting to make more sense. Hooray! It's so very hard to decide who the cutest girl is.

I love this show! Not since noein has a show been so interesting. Though really anything with time travel in it is going to interest me to some level. Still this is incredibly awesome. Did figure out in the first episode that oh he tried to keep her from being killed...but I do love an insane guy who may just not be insane....(and yes the trap was cute...)

[Suwako Moriya]

Kurisu is awesome with her way of speaking.

Nothing like being reminded multiple times that the Ruka is a guy. I have no idea what to think.

And we have maids! Here's hoping the plot requires visiting maids often. What?

I approve of the existence of Amane Suzuha.

So let's see here. We have strange stuff happening. A guy that's probably missing a few screws. Plus, there's always the chance some of the characters are putting on an act.

[FUNiOP]

I haven't posted anything about this since I figured I'd wait until I knew what was going on, but it looks like that's not going to happen any time soon. I'm usually not a fan of shows about time travel because of time paradoxes, but at least this one has the parallel universe theory as a possibility, the closest thing to logically possible time travel. At any rate, it's certainly interesting and I think I'll be sticking with it. I just hope it doesn't end up like Occult Academy.

[strangefour]

-Indecipherable code? Quick we need an IBM T5100!
-I kind of hope John Titor is just the crazy cute girl that was looking for the T5100.
-Daru will one day expand to fill the known universe.
-It's not paranoia if someone is really out to get you. Or is it...
-"The world only needs on mad scientist!" That is a thesis you can not back up Okarin.

-Is everybody looking for an IBM 5100?
-Quickly! It is a matter of the gravest importance that Okarin get to the nekomimi maid cafe!
-Feyris Nyan Nyan! Feyris Nyan Nyan!
-It's time to duel!
-Okarin is a GetBacker?
-AHAHAHA! Okarin completely failed this minigame. All because of a pun...
Feyris, Undefeated of the East, defeats Okarin again with the Ignoring Shoulder she learned in the Guana Highlands.
-A shrine to the great and powerful IBM T5100? Sounds right to me. Also hello again you magnificent little miko trap.
-Christina X Ruka fan art now please!

I think Okarin might be the best male lead of this century. After the confusing insane awesome time travel nonsense, he is the best part of this show. That's saying something considering how cute and fun all the girls are.

[Fencedude]

Well, they got the 5100 faster than I thought. Curious that Feryis's father would leave it with Ruka's father, saying that someday a young man would appear who needed it.

That just way too convenient.

I absolutely love Okarin and Kurisu's interactions. Really fantastic on all levels.

FEYRIS NYAN NYAN! FEYRIS NYAN NYAN! FEYRIS NYAN NYAN!

[EmperorBrandon]

I absolutely love Okarin and Kurisu's interactions. Really fantastic on all levels.

Yeah, I was thinking that was one of my favorite things about this episode. So much of it, and so very amusing too.

I never expected to see Arkansas mentioned in an anime...

[bear]

Curious that Feryis's father would leave it with Ruka's father


John Titor? Okarin? Time travel you know.

[HitokiriShadow]

<3 Feyris. Need more of her, she's awesnyan.

And Kurisu has some daddy issues.

[FigNewton]

Finally got caught up to current with Episode 4. I love how the story makes use of the John Titor phenomenon. A while back I was really fascinated by it but really wasn't expecting it to turn up here. Very intrigued to see where the story takes it.

[Fencedude]

Full size of the OP is pretty good. The B-side is slower, as is usual with this sort of thing. Not bad, but not something I'll find myself listening to regularly.

After several listens and comparisons:

Sky Clad no Kansokusha > A.R. > Hacking to the Gate

Though the actual differences in opinion are minimal.

[zalder]

Curious that Feryis's father would leave it with Ruka's father


John Titor? Okarin? Time travel you know.

I really hope he isn't John Titor, that would be just to crazy. Then he is giving himself all this crazy stuff about cern, and it isn't really true (though there was the stuff they found after hacking into the cern site but that could be explained in other ways), and that would be unfortunate.

Still the episode was good, I can't say if you can say that he lost the minigame though as was trying to loose....though I didn't get the pun explanation please?

So I guess the miko is confirmed as a trap now and that isn't just part of okarin's crazyness. I was hoping it would turn out that it really was a girl...what would that make it...a trap trap?

[superdry]

I still dislike the character design for Kurisu, but she's awesome nonetheless. Smart and sexy...pulls the just wearing a button down white shirt look perfectly.

Curious that Feryis's father would leave it with Ruka's father


John Titor? Okarin? Time travel you know.

I really hope he isn't John Titor, that would be just to crazy. Then he is giving himself all this crazy stuff about cern, and it isn't really true (though there was the stuff they found after hacking into the cern site but that could be explained in other ways), and that would be unfortunate.

My presumption was that the John Titor that Okarin is communicating with is himself from the future. John Titor originally travelled to the year 2000, but the Titor that Okarin is communicating with states that he has never been to the year 2000.

But, this is where the episodes throws things for a loop, unless I'm overthinking it - when Ruka's father tells Okarin that a man 10 years ago gave the computer to him saying someone in the future would need it. Unless, the person who gave the computer to Ruka's father is not John Titor aka Okarin from the future or it could be him trying to cover tracks for some reason.


So I guess the miko is confirmed as a trap now and that isn't just part of okarin's crazyness. I was hoping it would turn out that it really was a girl...what would that make it...a trap trap?

It's been confirmed when Okarin and Mayushii visit the shrine earlier in the series.

[bear]

It's been confirmed when Okarin and Mayushii visit the shrine earlier in the series.

Was there anything beside Okarin emphatically making that statement? I'm assuming it's true but this is a guy that talks to a cell phone that's not on.

[Fencedude]

It's been confirmed when Okarin and Mayushii visit the shrine earlier in the series.

Was there anything beside Okarin emphatically making that statement? I'm assuming it's true but this is a guy that talks to a cell phone that's not on.

Why would he make that up? Also Mayushii used "-kun"

[strangefour]

Still the episode was good, I can't say if you can say that he lost the minigame though as was trying to loose....though I didn't get the pun explanation please?


G-back. Jibaku (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jibaku). His strategy was to end his game as quickly as possible through explosive self sacrifice. It's not a very good pun. But then it's a japanese pun. They have far too many of them.

[EyeOfPain]

Seemed pretty obvious to me, though that may just be those "shitty" CR translations.

I was also thinking that someone brought the IBN 5100 back from the past (why else would someone know it would be needed in 2010?), but if it's only been ten years, why wouldn't Ruka's father recognize Okarin? Instead, I think that John Titor may decide, for whatever reason, it's necessary to travel to the year 2000 and leave the famous message board postings, dropping of the 5100 at the same time.

[pathos]

Seemed pretty obvious to me, though that may just be those "shitty" CR translations.

I was also thinking that someone brought the IBN 5100 back from the past (why else would someone know it would be needed in 2010?), but if it's only been ten years, why wouldn't Ruka's father recognize Okarin? Instead, I think that John Titor may decide, for whatever reason, it's necessary to travel to the year 2000 and leave the famous message board postings, dropping of the 5100 at the same time.

Well, in the current timeline, there was no 2000 John T, but there is a computer. If John T decides that it is indeed neccesary to go back 10 years and post on some message boards and drop off a computer for Okarin, then they'd be shunted off to another parallel world yet again, where the message board posts would have been around for 10 years.

I'm not sure if I explained it that well or not, sorry.

My guess is someone, who knows who, travelled back to 10 years prior, bought a computer, and left it at the shrine for Okarin. Who that was though, is anyone's guess.

I suppose it is possible that Okarin did it. 10 years ago, his regular version would be, what, around 10? There wouldn't be to much reason to place a grown man and a 10 year old kid as the same person. And, I'm not sure that 10 years later, I would remember what someone I met just 1 time ever would look like.

Or, perhaps John T does go back in time to get that computer and leave it for Okarin, and then goes back forward in time without every introducing himself to the world.

Perhaps its Kurisu's dad. She's got some hang up about time travel and her dad. Of course, I have no idea if he's supposed to be alive, so I dunno if that would be time travel on his end.

Perhaps he time traveled to the future, so what was in store, came back to his time line, couldn't get anyone to believe it, and then did the only thing he could, and that was leave a computer for the crazy guy in the future that actually saw what was going on.

Or, most likely, none of those are true, and it's something else entirely :sweat:

[EyeOfPain]

Or, most likely, none of those are true, and it's something else entirely :sweat:

Of course, I don't expect my theory to be correct either, just sharing my thoughts. I kinda hope it turns out to be something completely unexpected. Shows with an obvious ending aren't all that interesting once you've finished watching them.

[zalder]

exactly why I hope he isn't John Tittor, I mean he is encouraging his own delusions by listening to a future version of himself...confirm those delusions...eh that would be to much...

and yeah since okarin was crazy I wasn't sure it really was a trap, still think it may not be, I mean she could have been embarrassed just because she was told she was cute. I have seen women like that.

I still say we should come up with a name for something we think is a trap that really isn't. (I love trap trap....though I suppose we could call it a fake trap but that is just to normal)

[something]

Episode 3:

- Heh. Poor Kurisu. She's wandered into a pervert's lair.
- Yessss, Mayushii returns and is oh so happy to see Kurisu.
- I love Kurisu. She's way more fun than I expected.
- Experiment success! Time machine microwave!

- Daru moes for particle accelerators.
- Suzuha! Hmm, I wonder how much she knows, and how much was jsut, as she said, meaningless eavesdropping. She seems suspicious ata ny rate. Or maybe I'm just crazy like Okarin now.

- Awww... Mayushii misses Kurisu-chan. ;_;
- Dirty CERN and your dirty technological conspiracies!

[something]

Episode 4:

- Suzuha is a soldier! Don't doubt her! A soldier of what, I have no idea.
- Stardust Shake Hand! And a shot of Mayuri doing it at a grave site.

- Kurisu in much less clothing, yay.
- Okarin getting all worked up. All by himself. Mayushii has to go be the bread winner of the "family". Daru just needs sleep.
- Man Kurisu hates time machines.
- REALLY hates them.

- Hah! Mayushii ends up finding the "IBN" first. Or the first hint at least.
- Feyris! FEYRIS! MOMOIIIIIIII! She's pretty prominent in the OP so hopefully this is just the beginning of her involvement in the plot.
- Yay for the trap miko again.
- IBN5100 get!

[zalder]

Episode 4:

- Suzuha is a soldier! Don't doubt her! A soldier of what, I have no idea.
- Stardust Shake Hand! And a shot of Mayuri doing it at a grave site.

- Kurisu in much less clothing, yay.
- Okarin getting all worked up. All by himself. Mayushii has to go be the bread winner of the "family". Daru just needs sleep.
- Man Kurisu hates time machines.
- REALLY hates them.

- Hah! Mayushii ends up finding the "IBN" first. Or the first hint at least.
- Feyris! FEYRIS! MOMOIIIIIIII! She's pretty prominent in the OP so hopefully this is just the beginning of her involvement in the plot.
- Yay for the trap miko again.
- IBN5100 get!


Glad you are enjoying this one something didn't expect you to honestly. I wonder what her father did that she hated so much, maybe tried to prove that time travel was possible and so "wasted" his life?

Looking forward to seeing where they go with this. Definitely enjoying it so far.

[something]

Glad you are enjoying this one something didn't expect you to honestly.
There's no particular reason why I wouldn't. It was one of my more anticipated shows of the season.

[pathos]

I have officially convinced myself that the appliance shop part timer is in fact, this time lines John T. And no, I have no particular proof :P

If I had to come up with something though, I'd say I'm pretty sure she was the person in the previous timeline (the one they left) who was standing out side the "satellite" that landed safely on the roof (although I gamble its a time machine that appeared there, and not a satellite that crashed from the sky). Of course, when it crashed into the side instead of landing, in this timeline, we didn't get to see who was in it. I can't imagine the person inside changed though, but I suppose thats a possibility.

Plus, she calls herself a warrior.

And um, yeah, thats it. Pretty flimsy, sure :sweat:

[superdry]

I have officially convinced myself that the appliance shop part timer is in fact, this time lines John T. And no, I have no particular proof :P

If I had to come up with something though, I'd say I'm pretty sure she was the person in the previous timeline (the one they left) who was standing out side the "satellite" that landed safely on the roof (although I gamble its a time machine that appeared there, and not a satellite that crashed from the sky). Of course, when it crashed into the side instead of landing, in this timeline, we didn't get to see who was in it. I can't imagine the person inside changed though, but I suppose thats a possibility.

Plus, she calls herself a warrior.

And um, yeah, thats it. Pretty flimsy, sure :sweat:

That's an interesting theory. I went back to episode 4 to catch Suzuha saying she's already a soldier - that's interesting and why does have to emphasize that she is one already even though she's working a part time job at an electronics repair shop (hmmm...electronic's repair shop).

I originally was thinking the John Titor in the current time line is Okarin from the future, but zalder pointed that would be kind of crazy. Still possible though, since you can have a future Okarin try to make sure the present one doesn't fall into the mistakes other Okarin's have from different world lines.

The other thing I forgot is that the John Titor (who could be Suzuha) of the current time-line can deny anything. Maybe he did travel to the year 2000 and figured something out with the IBN 5100 and Feyris and Ruka's parents.

This is crazy.

[zalder]

Glad you are enjoying this one something didn't expect you to honestly.
There's no particular reason why I wouldn't. It was one of my more anticipated shows of the season.

Really? I had you pegged as enjoying only moe shows....in the past I thought we had debated about shows that took a more serious tone (aka second ghost in the shell movie) and that wasn't what you liked. Don't mean to insult here, just suprized. I will say this has waaay better character interactions than the second ghost in the shell movie.

I really should learn to stop pigeon holing people but I doubt I will. To much science training.

[zalder]

I originally was thinking the John Titor in the current time line is Okarin from the future, but zalder pointed that would be kind of crazy. Still possible though, since you can have a future Okarin try to make sure the present one doesn't fall into the mistakes other Okarin's have from different world lines.

The other thing I forgot is that the John Titor (who could be Suzuha) of the current time-line can deny anything. Maybe he did travel to the year 2000 and figured something out with the IBN 5100 and Feyris and Ruka's parents.

This is crazy.

Last part is quoted for truth. I suppose since we are having different world lines here it could be that it is him from a different world line. I still hope not though. I enjoy the crazy guy being right (though still crazy) if it turns out he is not right...because the guy from the future "proving" his delusions is just him (and he's crazy) well then I will be disappointed.

So anyone else watching this and C? Not sure which one of these I like more...started off being C but leaning toward this one now.

[something]

Really? I had you pegged as enjoying only moe shows...
Then I assume you've never read one of my Currently Watching posts or participated in any of the discussion threads for non-"moe shows" (again, whatever that means) I've posted in. I'll try almost anything, time permitting.

in the past I thought we had debated about shows that took a more serious tone (aka second ghost in the shell movie) and that wasn't what you liked.
You've mixed me up with someone else (probably Draneor). I don't remember us ever discussing Innocence, which I thought was... okay. I guess. I don't have a terribly strong opinion on it other than that I liked the first a lot more and the TV series far more than either.

[pathos]

Well, she may or may not be the 2010 John T, but I think it's safe to assume the electronics store part timer is definitely the first worlds Kurisu killer.

Perhaps I should have pieced that together quicker :sweat:

[superdry]

Well, she may or may not be the 2010 John T, but I think it's safe to assume the electronics store part timer is definitely the first worlds Kurisu killer.

Perhaps I should have pieced that together quicker :sweat:

Something amiss with Suzuha is the biggest mystery in the episode now. Why was she antagonistic towards Kurisu? I don't know if she is the first world's killer, but she does know something about Kurisu as she recognised her and knew she was dangerous. That might confirm either she is from a different timeline or is working for some other organisation and knows something sinister is forming around Makise. Maybe a combination of both? The whole warrior thing comes to mind again.

The other mystery is how Kurisu falls into the whole plot and possible craziness that is going to occur after hacking into SERN.

I wonder when Moeka is going to reappear - she's another mystery also looking for an IBN 5100.

[Fencedude]

Ok, Suzuha does not like Kurisu, but Kurisu has no idea who she is. Suzuha's instinctive reaction to a helicopter is that its a bombing. She has also never seen Fireworks, and will drop into a combat stance at a moment's notice.

So yeah, Suzuha is almost certainly "not from around here", and also very likely the person who killed Kurisu in the first timeline. This raises the question of....why?

Daru also knows how to read a mood appropriately. Yuri is definitely in the air!

[strangefour]

-Oh I guess the double braids part timer is the time traveller. And hates Christina for something she hasn't done yet.
-Everyone ruins Okarin's surprise IBM 5100.
-Yuri is in the air!
-Mayushii, professional hostage.
-Labcoat pose!
-Bad Okarin. Making Christina cry is bad.
-Onward to Jellyman's report. Go forward with operation Laegjarn's Chest!
-Alpaca-san is staring at me again.
-Okarin is in mad scientist nirvana up on the roof. Bwahahahaha~

I have no idea where this plot is going other than deeper into the madness of time travel. Which is great. Keep giving me cute girls (one trap), weirdness and the best male mad scientist since Dr Wily.

[Ashyukun]

Ok, Suzuha does not like Kurisu, but Kurisu has no idea who she is. Suzuha's instinctive reaction to a helicopter is that its a bombing. She has also never seen Fireworks, and will drop into a combat stance at a moment's notice.

So yeah, Suzuha is almost certainly "not from around here", and also very likely the person who killed Kurisu in the first timeline. This raises the question of....why?

At a guess, Christina is somehow instrumental down the line in CERN's plans for controlling the world via time travel, either through completion of their system herself or perhaps by keeping anyone from believing they're capable of it through her lecturing. I'd be more that she somehow makes their system work though.

However- it leads to the ages-old time-travel question of whether what is going on now as a result of the altered (presumably) timeline is what put her on the path that leads to Suzuha wanting to kill her, or this timeline has pushed her away from that. Hell, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Okarin is who eventually makes CERN's plans viable.

If Suzuha is John Titor as was theorized- and seems more plausible now- she seemed pretty unconcerned about the IBN that was apparently so crucial. Was it part of her plan that Okarin's 'lab' get their hands on it?

I'm absolutely loving the mystery and speculation- and Okarin is a great addition to the pool of anime mad scientists.

[HitokiriShadow]

Dr Pepper is an intellectual experience! ..... So sayeth Okarin.

Suzuha recognizes Kurisu's name (but apparently not what she looks like) and her reaction is.... intriguing. She is very not happy when she hears that name. The kind of "not happy" that results in her looking like she's literally about to lop Kurisu's head off. The confirms that Suzuha is a time-traveler and she seems to be on Okarin's side. In some capacity, at least. But her comments basically say that Kurisu may become a threat to Okarin (and Suzuha's objective, whatever it is) later on after she learns something.

I just love the conversations and interactions between Okarin and Kurisu.

"I'm definitely not terrified of some guy screaming in my face and crying in relief!"
"Why is my assistant crying?"
"She just told you"

And we get some interesting movement on the SERN plot. So "Jellyman" wasn't a name, it was literal. Ewww.

[HitokiriShadow]

So yeah, Suzuha is almost certainly "not from around here", and also very likely the person who killed Kurisu in the first timeline. This raises the question of....why?


However- it leads to the ages-old time-travel question of whether what is going on now as a result of the altered (presumably) timeline is what put her on the path that leads to Suzuha wanting to kill her, or this timeline has pushed her away from that. Hell, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Okarin is who eventually makes CERN's plans viable.


Alternative theory: Something in a previous timeline caused a split between Okarin and Kurisu, but it wasn't Suzuha that killed her.... it was Okarin himself.

Reason: Just because it would be an interesting plot twist.

Additionally, the thing about Suzuha killing her is that if she did... she would know what Kurisu looked like. She didn't seem to realize who she was until Okarin said her name, which would actually rule Suzuha out as Kurisu's murderer. Well.... I guess maybe this Suzuha just hasn't done it yet. Er, well, that would be hard make work in any sensible way, and while this show will likely get pretty confusing, it sure seems like it wants to try to make sense and not just say "it happened because of time travel!" and try to shove all of the complications and potentially plot breaking details under the rug. Anyway, I don't think this Suzuha has had the experience of killing Kurisu.

[Fencedude]

So yeah, Suzuha is almost certainly "not from around here", and also very likely the person who killed Kurisu in the first timeline. This raises the question of....why?


However- it leads to the ages-old time-travel question of whether what is going on now as a result of the altered (presumably) timeline is what put her on the path that leads to Suzuha wanting to kill her, or this timeline has pushed her away from that. Hell, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Okarin is who eventually makes CERN's plans viable.


Alternative theory: Something in a previous timeline caused a split between Okarin and Kurisu, but it wasn't Suzuha that killed her.... it was Okarin himself.

Reason: Just because it would be an interesting plot twist.

Additionally, the thing about Suzuha killing her is that if she did... she would know what Kurisu looked like. She didn't seem to realize who she was until Okarin said her name, which would actually rule Suzuha out as Kurisu's murderer. Well.... I guess maybe this Suzuha just hasn't done it yet. Er, well, that would be hard make work in any sensible way, and while this show will likely get pretty confusing, it sure seems like it wants to try to make sense and not just say "it happened because of time travel!" and try to shove all of the complications and potentially plot breaking details under the rug. Anyway, I don't think this Suzuha has had the experience of killing Kurisu.

Actually, the main argument against it being her (even though I said its likely) is that its too obvious.

[Ashyukun]

Anyway, I don't think this Suzuha has had the experience of killing Kurisu.
I actually agree- but given her reaction to Kurisu upon learning who she was in this time-branch, it seems like it wouldn't be at all unlikely that if she'd encountered her in the original/previous branch with no one else around that things could have gone much differently.

*Kurisu runs into Suzuha wandering/sneaking around the building the lecture is in*
Kurisu: "Hi, are you lost?"
Suzuha: "Kinda."
Kurisu: "Maybe I can help. I'm Makisa Kurisu, pleased to meet you."
Suzuha: !!! *stabs*

It does however seem a bit too obvious- it would be a lot more interesting if it had been Okarin that did it. The Gashapon toy that disappeared in the first episode will also obviously be showing back up again at some point and probably prove to be important...

[zalder]

This show just gets better and better!

Dr. Pepper is an intellectual experience! I knew I liked it for some reason!

As I teach chemistry and have access to lab coats I am going to have to try that look sometime, maybe take a picture..I'll put it up or a link to it here if I do..

The part timer as has been said is definitely not from around here...I was waiting for her to say you killed my father prepare to die. In sometime line there is active resistance to CERN so civil war?

I am going to have to look up kern black holes just to see the physics...don't we have a physics PhD on the boards here somewhere...is he watching this show?

Gel Banana to gel people....it's to tight...yuri in the air...I am really beginning to love the comic relief super hacker...

This show is now my new favorite of the season surpassing tiger and bunny and C. If this gets licensed it may even be worth buying...

[zalder]

-Oh I guess the double braids part timer is the time traveller. And hates Christina for something she hasn't done yet.
-Everyone ruins Okarin's surprise IBM 5100.
-Yuri is in the air!
-Mayushii, professional hostage.
-Labcoat pose!
-Bad Okarin. Making Christina cry is bad.
-Onward to Jellyman's report. Go forward with operation Laegjarn's Chest!
-Alpaca-san is staring at me again.
-Okarin is in mad scientist nirvana up on the roof. Bwahahahaha~

I have no idea where this plot is going other than deeper into the madness of time travel. Which is great. Keep giving me cute girls (one trap), weirdness and the best male mad scientist since Dr Wily.

I have yet to really see any mad scientists in anime...what are some other good ones. I love that type of character and though none I expect will be as good as okarin (he is just the perfect mad scientist), I'd love to see more of them.

[strangefour]

I have no idea where this plot is going other than deeper into the madness of time travel. Which is great. Keep giving me cute girls (one trap), weirdness and the best male mad scientist since Dr Wily.

I have yet to really see any mad scientists in anime...what are some other good ones. I love that type of character and though none I expect will be as good as okarin (he is just the perfect mad scientist), I'd love to see more of them.

Well I can't really remember any interesting male mad scientists off the top of my head besides Dr Hell (Mazinger). But for females there's Washu Hakubi (Tenchi Muyo), Rika Domeki (Dai-Guard), Nanvel Candlestick (Burn Up W), Nina Einstein (Code Geass), Hakase (Nichijo), and uh probably another dozen I'm forgetting.

[bear]

Well I can't really remember any interesting male mad scientists off the top of my head besides Dr Hell (Mazinger). But for females there's Washu Hakubi (Tenchi Muyo), Rika Domeki (Dai-Guard), Nanvel Candlestick (Burn Up W), Nina Einstein (Code Geass), Hakase (Nichijo), and uh probably another dozen I'm forgetting.
For a recent one how about Tabane Shinonono from Infinite Stratos?

[Ashyukun]

Well I can't really remember any interesting male mad scientists off the top of my head besides Dr Hell (Mazinger). But for females there's Washu Hakubi (Tenchi Muyo), Rika Domeki (Dai-Guard), Nanvel Candlestick (Burn Up W), Nina Einstein (Code Geass), Hakase (Nichijo), and uh probably another dozen I'm forgetting.
For a recent one how about Tabane Shinonono from Infinite Stratos?
Dr. Wattsman from Dirty Pair : Project Eden has always been one of my favorites, though Washuu remains #1.

[dsmith]

Well I can't really remember any interesting male mad scientists off the top of my head besides Dr Hell (Mazinger). But for females there's Washu Hakubi (Tenchi Muyo), Rika Domeki (Dai-Guard), Nanvel Candlestick (Burn Up W), Nina Einstein (Code Geass), Hakase (Nichijo), and uh probably another dozen I'm forgetting.
For a recent one how about Tabane Shinonono from Infinite Stratos?
Dr. Wattsman from Dirty Pair : Project Eden has always been one of my favorites, though Washuu remains #1.

Ken Sanada in Dual! Parallel Adventures. I'm pretty sure I remember someone in Don't Leave Me Alone Daisy as a mad scientist, but I mostly try to purge my mind of any memories of that show. And gramps in Cannon God Exxaxion (perverted mad scientist), though that's manga.

None of them are as good classical mad scientist types as Okarin, but they're fun on occasion.

[lesterf1025]

I'd like to add a vote for Rika Domeki (Dai-Guard) and Ken Sanada (Dual! Parallel Adventures). Those are some great mad scientists.

[superdry]

I like the Yuri Field between Makise and Mayushii.

So, we learn more about the time machine microwave and they give the mail sent into the past a name: d-mail. Thinking of the names before d-mail was pretty amusing. I like Kyouma's thinking with Nostalgia Drive (sounds like a good name for a band too).

Amane - definitely not around here. she doesn't know what is gyuudon. I wonder what her beef is with Makise, either.

Moeka - something is up with her. Why is she so interested in the IBN 5100? I mentioned earlier that I think shes working for SERN....might be.

[strangefour]

-Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:
-It's hard to tell when Okarin is being insane or pretending to be insane. Which is wonderful.
-Hehehe. A roundtable meeting over what to call the wibbly-wobbly emails. -Even Mayushii gets a chance to nerd out.
-Put the banana in or else it gets the hose again. :3
-Mayushii is petting Christina. Yuri field strength intensifying.
-Gelnana doesn't stop being creepy.
-JELLO IS PEOPLE!

-SHINING FINGAH (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1af_0pPxNe8)!
-Time tweets have a 36 character limit. Is this the true secret of the 36 chambers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH04Q5svmco)?
-AHAHAHAHA! Daru you are a sick genius.
-Stop mentioning the time machine to random strangers with social disorders.
-Crap. Okarin isn't any better. Atleast Moeka might be more insane than he is. Which is even more dangerous.

Amane and Meoka might both be time travelers. Or just crazier than Okarin. All of the cast are best when they are reveling in the insanity of time travel. They only thing better is Mayushii saying "Doo-dah-doo. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W83mkPLgBdk)"

[Fencedude]

They figure out how to reliably send mail to the past. And Kurisu works out most of the rules. Though they still have no clue why it happens.

Okarin definitely realizes how serious the situation is, major points in his favor for that. Interesting dream he had...

Weirdly, none of the D-mail they sent seemed to trigger any time distortions, like in episode 1, or maybe not weirdly?

Amane's definitely from the future, and Moeka is...yeah.

[pathos]

Weirdly, none of the D-mail they sent seemed to trigger any time distortions, like in episode 1, or maybe not weirdly?

I THINK that time distortion is basically the past being changed, and a parallel world being created. Which means his email to the past stating lab member 4 dying changed something (like, her dying, for example). But, an email from her to him saying he's an empty headed idiot didn't change anything.

But, even that theory seems to have some pretty big holes left to fill :P

[William K]

The e-mail naming scene was way funnier than it had a right to be. I would have voted for "Mail that leapt through time" or "Delorean mail" :)

Daru also continues to 'misinterpret' the things the girls say in the most ecchi way possible.

Glad to see a bit more focus on Moeka. Can we consider her texting communication a form of notebook moe? Interesting that she thinks FB is related to the microwave time machine. Considering the amount of Re: Re: shown on her phone, it's not just a 1-way communication.

[bear]

The e-mail naming scene was way funnier than it had a right to be. I would have voted for "Mail that leapt through time" or "Delorean mail" :)

Should have been Time mail (T-mail).

[Ashyukun]

The e-mail naming scene was way funnier than it had a right to be. I would have voted for "Mail that leapt through time" or "Delorean mail" :)

Should have been Time mail (T-mail).

I figured it should have been P-mail (Past Mail), but their using a shortened version of DeLorean Mail works for me... but then, I may be a little bit biased in that respect... :P

[William K]

The e-mail naming scene was way funnier than it had a right to be. I would have voted for "Mail that leapt through time" or "Delorean mail" :)

Should have been Time mail (T-mail).

I figured it should have been P-mail (Past Mail), but their using a shortened version of DeLorean Mail works for me... but then, I may be a little bit biased in that respect... :P

Wait... I thought Kurisu chose d-mail because d is the alphabet before e?

[bear]

The e-mail naming scene was way funnier than it had a right to be. I would have voted for "Mail that leapt through time" or "Delorean mail" :)

Should have been Time mail (T-mail).

I figured it should have been P-mail (Past Mail), but their using a shortened version of DeLorean Mail works for me... but then, I may be a little bit biased in that respect... :P

Actually P-mail is already taken. When a dog sniffs where another dog has urinated they're reading p-mail. ;)

[HitokiriShadow]

Kiryuu Moeka (Class: Text Message Fetishist) joins the party!

Also, stupid Okarin, don't try to stop the Yuri Field!

[HitokiriShadow]

The e-mail naming scene was way funnier than it had a right to be. I would have voted for "Mail that leapt through time" or "Delorean mail" :)

Should have been Time mail (T-mail).

I figured it should have been P-mail (Past Mail), but their using a shortened version of DeLorean Mail works for me... but then, I may be a little bit biased in that respect... :P

Back to the Mail was my favorite.

[FUNiOP]

Don't be a time paradox... don't be a time paradox... hooray, the world lines just moved! And now Okarin gets to lead the world as the messiah? Probably not the best idea...

[strangefour]

-The very first time traveling tutturu!
-Hehehe. Moeka's texting questions are going to make me fall out of my chair at some point.
-The lottery is a rather simple and effect test of a text based time travel device.
-Holy crap. Even when out of the miko outfit Ruka dresses like a adorable girl.
-But now we have Dr Pepper! And Prangles! Dun-dun-dun.
-Temporal mechanics drive sane men mad and mad men sane?

Okarin is an anomaly. An anomaly that drives the plot such as it is. But I don't need a plot. I just want his madness and the girls (plus Ruka) being adorable! Still about time this show got more into time travel nonsense.

[bear]

Don't be a time paradox... don't be a time paradox... hooray, the world lines just moved! And now Okarin gets to lead the world as the messiah? Probably not the best idea...
Oh, I don't know. Given the way things have been going maybe a mad scientist couldn't do any worse. ;)

Ah, but the "how come Okarin remembers it but no one else does" question still remains.

[strangefour]

Ah, but the "how come Okarin remembers it but no one else does" question still remains.

It is a classic bit of plot convenience. There probably will be some silly reason why. "The child of time travelers" or such nonsense. It means John Titor isn't Okarin from the future. Since Titor was seeking some way like that to alter time and didn't already have it.

[nakimushi]

This show just keeps getting better. I'm really enjoying it.

The effect of the lottery ticket experiment makes me think that he sent a D-mail back to himself to save Kurisu back in the first episode. Well, it would seem that way, except I can't explain how a D-mail could result in that satellite crashing into that building to stop the conference. :sweat:

That satellite was mysterious in a few ways. It obviously could not have fallen from orbit. If it had, it would not have been so intact upon striking the building - it likely would have melted/disintegrated mostly away, and if by some miracle it had retained its full mass all the way to the point of impact, there wouldn't have been anything left of that building. There did not appear to be any parachutes to slow its descent.

So where it came from is a good question, although I seem to remember Okarin seeing something of a similar shape on the roof when the conference was not cancelled.

Anyway, back to this episode, they've done a nice job balancing the comedy with the serious parts and developed a very likeable cast of characters. There isn't a single character that I don't like.

Interesting that Suzuha seems to have experience with micro-chip implantation brain-washing. She also did looked rather apprehensive when she saw the first flashes from their initial tests of the time machine, as if she knew it were the sign of worse things to come.

I think John Titor is conveniently very trusting and optimistic. Some random person texts him to say that he's able to send emails to himself in the past and he immediately anoints him as the savior of the world. Of course perhaps he received an text from someone in the future that told him to say that. :)

[superdry]

So, the biggest question is how did Kyouma retain his memory in this experiment. This is the second time this has happened. Why him? Is there is some special connection between d-mail and him? This is going to be good when they explain it.

Kurisu - tsundere! I agree with Daru. Celeb 17? Cel-7 - references to something? I do wonder though how she doesnt burn up in the summer heat with what she's wearing (not that I'm complaining. she pulls the shorts with stockings look very well along with the half falling off jacket).

Moeka - Dangerous. Taking pictures of the lab and wants to borrow the IBN 5100. Oh, yes, Kyouma...the organization is after you and you just don't know it. Moeka is part of it and she has infiltrated your lab! I do wonder why she keeps looking sad and depressed all the time.

Ruka - damn, what a fine looking trap.

This show just keeps getting better. I'm really enjoying it.

The effect of the lottery ticket experiment makes me think that he sent a D-mail back to himself to save Kurisu back in the first episode. Well, it would seem that way, except I can't explain how a D-mail could result in that satellite crashing into that building to stop the conference. :sweat:

So where it came from is a good question, although I seem to remember Okarin seeing something of a similar shape on the roof when the conference was not cancelled.


He did see the satellite like thing in the beginning when it landed on the roof of Radio Kaikan and saw someone come out of it.

The d-mail he sent in the beginning altered world lines, like what happened in this episode, which has now changed the past. So, the satellite has now crashed and the conference canceled. Also, the d-mail I think was sent to Daru instead of himself - Daru could have told Okarin about the message and he did somehow save Kurisu.

Interesting that he retains memories of the previous world line, but knows not much of what happened in the past when he moved world lines. It's like he's keeping his current memories and past memories of whatever world line he previously was in.




I think John Titor is conveniently very trusting and optimistic. Some random person texts him to say that he's able to send emails to himself in the past and he immediately anoints him as the savior of the world. Of course perhaps he received an text from someone in the future that told him to say that. :)

There still is the possibility that John Titor is Okarin from the future trying to tell himself in the past to change the future by altering world lines. If that is the case, then the future has yet to change even after moving two world lines if John Titor, assuming Okarin, is still communicating with Okarin.

[nakimushi]

This show just keeps getting better. I'm really enjoying it.

The effect of the lottery ticket experiment makes me think that he sent a D-mail back to himself to save Kurisu back in the first episode. Well, it would seem that way, except I can't explain how a D-mail could result in that satellite crashing into that building to stop the conference. :sweat:

So where it came from is a good question, although I seem to remember Okarin seeing something of a similar shape on the roof when the conference was not cancelled.


He did see the satellite like thing in the beginning when it landed on the roof of Radio Kaikan and saw someone come out of it.

The d-mail he sent in the beginning altered world lines, like what happened in this episode, which has now changed the past. So, the satellite has now crashed and the conference canceled. Also, the d-mail I think was sent to Daru instead of himself - Daru could have told Okarin about the message and he did somehow save Kurisu.




Ah right, I had forgotten both those things: that someone came out of what appeared to be the not yet crashed satellite and that Daru received the d-mail that Okarin sent.

However in the latter case, Okarin appeared to just send the email from his phone at the Radio Kaikan building, he was not near his time machine. Well, I'm not going to over-think it, this show is fun to watch, and I'm looking forward to see how they explain it all.

[superdry]

However in the latter case, Okarin appeared to just send the email from his phone at the Radio Kaikan building, he was not near his time machine. Well, I'm not going to over-think it, this show is fun to watch, and I'm looking forward to see how they explain it all.

I don't know if somethings will ever be explained, or will be in a round-about manner, but if I remember correctly Okarin sent the message to Daru as he was playing around with the time machine microwave. Now, how world lines changed between the message being sent and Okarin running outside of the building instead of instantaneously like in this episode...who knows.

As I mentioned before...is there a special connection between Okarin and the time machine?

[HitokiriShadow]

Awww, the landlord has a cute little girl. "Don't call my dad 'Mr. Bro-" *gets interrupted* And she's adorably terrible at lying.

Kyouma changes the past... but he's the only one that remembers. And he's pretty shook up about the whole thing, which is understandable.

And now John Titor wants him to be a Messiah. I don't trust this John Titor a bit.

[Fencedude]

Wait, Ruka had boobs. So he's actually a crossdresser, not just ludicrously girly? Interesting.

Anyway, really good episode, Kyouma's reticence in the face of what he's learned is an interesting facet to his character. He may put on a FOR SCIENCE! front, but he really does worry about the consequences of his actions.

The final scene with him and Kurisu was fantastic.

I still think that Suzuha is John Titor.

[nakimushi]

However in the latter case, Okarin appeared to just send the email from his phone at the Radio Kaikan building, he was not near his time machine. Well, I'm not going to over-think it, this show is fun to watch, and I'm looking forward to see how they explain it all.

I don't know if somethings will ever be explained, or will be in a round-about manner, but if I remember correctly Okarin sent the message to Daru as he was playing around with the time machine microwave. Now, how world lines changed between the message being sent and Okarin running outside of the building instead of instantaneously like in this episode...who knows.

As I mentioned before...is there a special connection between Okarin and the time machine?


Actually, I just went back and checked the first episode. Okarin did not actually see the person come out of the "uncrashed" (it actually made a loud enough landing to draw Okarin to the roof though) satellite, the person appeared to come from off to the side of it, from a section of the roof he could not see, and then hand signaled to Okarin that it was off-limits. It doesn't necessarily mean that person did not emerge from it, I'm just saying that Okarin (and we) did not see the person emerge from it.

Oh! There is a potential spoiler if you go back and rewatch it now like I just did. I paused it to get a closer look about where the person on the roof actually came from and I'm pretty sure that I recognized the person who was hand signaling Okarin.

Very interesting and if so it could explain who killed Kurisu. Again it looks like a spoiler so you may not want to rewatch it. If you do rewatch it, and want to post it, please use spoiler tags just in case. It could just be a red herring, but I prefer to err on the side of safety with things like that. Also interesting: the dying screams that Okarin heard before finding Kurisu's body definitely seemed like a man's voice.

Also, I confirmed that Okarin texts Daru about Kurisu's death (which ends up being the d-mail that Daru receives) in the middle of the street, not near the time machine. Although he is not near his time machine, he does seem to experience the same disorienting separation effect after he presses "send" that he did this episode (7) when he d-mailed the lottery number and changed the world around himself.

Ha, I just noticed he gets Dr. Pepper in the aftermath of both resets.

[Fencedude]

Very interesting and if so it could explain who killed Kurisu. Again it looks like a spoiler so you may not want to rewatch it. If you do rewatch it, and want to post it, please use spoiler tags just in case. It could just be a red herring, but I prefer to err on the side of safety with things like that. Also interesting: the dying screams that Okarin heard before finding Kurisu's body definitely seemed like a man's voice.

Its in the show, so I don't really think its a spoiler, but...

That is definitely Suzuha. Absolutely unmistakably so.

[nakimushi]

Very interesting and if so it could explain who killed Kurisu. Again it looks like a spoiler so you may not want to rewatch it. If you do rewatch it, and want to post it, please use spoiler tags just in case. It could just be a red herring, but I prefer to err on the side of safety with things like that. Also interesting: the dying screams that Okarin heard before finding Kurisu's body definitely seemed like a man's voice.

Its in the show, so I don't really think its a spoiler, but...

That is definitely Suzuha. Absolutely unmistakably so.

Yes, I agree - that is who I think it is as well.

I only consider it a spoiler because it might be information that we probably should not know yet. The information is in the show, but you have to dig for it.

In the first episode we could not possibly recognize Suzuha, since she had not been introduced. So in my opinion, we weren't meant to know that information yet. Considering now that we've met her, it could be fair to say that it is no longer a spoiler, but I don't think anyone remembers Suzuha from that scene unless they went back and checked it, which leads me to think we probably still should not know that information yet.

However, I'm probably just being overly sensitive about it, but I hate getting spoiled, and want to make sure that I don't inadvertently spoil someone else's enjoyment of the show.

[pathos]

Also, I confirmed that Okarin texts Daru about Kurisu's death (which ends up being the d-mail that Daru receives) in the middle of the street, not near the time machine. Although he is not near his time machine, he does seem to experience the same disorienting separation effect after he presses "send" that he did this episode (7) when he d-mailed the lottery number and changed the world around himself.

Actually, imo, thats the first clue that the microwave is not the time machine, the phone is. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say the phone is using the electricity from the microwave to do the time travel, whether it's producing the mini black holes from what, or whatnot. Then, while he was standing out in the street sending the "kurisu is dead" email, he might have been near some large electrical field, and perhaps they might explain that one day.

Of course, since this is still all guesswork, I can still be proven wrong :P

But, if that is true, then the important question might swing from "how does okarin remember the time jump?" to "where exactly did okarin get that phone?" If you could answer that question, we might get the answer to the first question.

Yes, I agree - that is who I think it is as well.

I only consider it a spoiler because it might be information that we probably should not know yet. The information is in the show, but you have to dig for it.

In the first episode we could not possibly recognize Suzuha, since she had not been introduced. So in my opinion, we weren't meant to know that information yet. Considering now that we've met her, it could be fair to say that it is no longer a spoiler, but I don't think anyone remembers Suzuha from that scene unless they went back and checked it, which leads me to think we probably still should not know that information yet.

However, I'm probably just being overly sensitive about it, but I hate getting spoiled, and want to make sure that I don't inadvertently spoil someone else's enjoyment of the show.

Well, considering I posted that in like the episode 2 or 3 thread, and non spoiler tagged, I'd say the cat's already out of the bag. :sweat: Unless someone didn't read the episode 2 o4 3 thread, or has me on ignore :D

[nakimushi]

Yes, I agree - that is who I think it is as well.

I only consider it a spoiler because it might be information that we probably should not know yet. The information is in the show, but you have to dig for it.

In the first episode we could not possibly recognize Suzuha, since she had not been introduced. So in my opinion, we weren't meant to know that information yet. Considering now that we've met her, it could be fair to say that it is no longer a spoiler, but I don't think anyone remembers Suzuha from that scene unless they went back and checked it, which leads me to think we probably still should not know that information yet.

However, I'm probably just being overly sensitive about it, but I hate getting spoiled, and want to make sure that I don't inadvertently spoil someone else's enjoyment of the show.

Well, considering I posted that in like the episode 2 or 3 thread, and non spoiler tagged, I'd say the cat's already out of the bag. :sweat: Unless someone didn't read the episode 2 o4 3 thread, or has me on ignore :D


Ah, so you did. I missed your post. To be honest, I was avoiding this thread at the beginning because I mistakenly thought there would be game spoilers.

You are definitely more perceptive than I am. :) I had to pause the video before I could recognize the person. It was too fast for me on normal speed for me to catch any distinguishing features the first time I saw it, so I did not remember it when that person was introduced in the next episode a week later.

[zalder]

Geez so is every crazy person in japan going to end up working with this guy? The lady they added this time is definitely crazy...I really loved the girl who leapt through time reference that was pretty sweet. I think they should have named it that actually...heh. STILL have yet to figure out what steins gate has to do with the show. Wow the part timer REALLY doesn't like lab member four...I loved her saying nothing had happened between them in the past...HA...and even given everything oakarin is doing he doesn't make the leap...I mean she didn't say nothing ever happened...just that nothing ever happened..IN THE PAST.

Yuri field was interesting but eh gotten over it. He REALLY needs to stop telling everyone he meets about it though geez.

One question though...if they are sending these texts to themselves in the past...shouldn't they have gotten them in the past..aka shouldn't we have started out the show with there being all kind of unexplained texts from people he hadn't met yet on his phone?

I'll give him that one though. Show is to much fun to get to tied up in crazy plot holes :)

[Ashyukun]

One question though...if they are sending these texts to themselves in the past...shouldn't they have gotten them in the past..aka shouldn't we have started out the show with there being all kind of unexplained texts from people he hadn't met yet on his phone?

I'll give him that one though. Show is to much fun to get to tied up in crazy plot holes :)
That's actually something I've been curious about too- they've been sending texts from Christina's phone to Okarin's- like the one about him being an airhead- that would, assuming only a few days have passed, have been confusing initially and perhaps written off as a prank/mistake (though she did use 'Okarin' in the mail). BUT- once he met her and got her phone number, he'd likely be interrogating her about the messages which of course she'd know nothing about- and could easily have altered the path certain things had taken...

[Ashyukun]

Interesting that Suzuha seems to have experience with micro-chip implantation brain-washing. She also did looked rather apprehensive when she saw the first flashes from their initial tests of the time machine, as if she knew it were the sign of worse things to come.

I think John Titor is conveniently very trusting and optimistic. Some random person texts him to say that he's able to send emails to himself in the past and he immediately anoints him as the savior of the world. Of course perhaps he received an text from someone in the future that told him to say that. :)
I think this episode pretty solidly cemented that Suzuha = John Titor in my eyes. She was the one who suggested that he contact John Titor about what was on his mind, yet to my knowledge he never said anything about having been in contact with John Titor to her. Heck, Kurisu seemed surprised he had a way to contact Titor directly- I'm not sure he'd even told the other Lab Members about that. It also clearly explains why Titor is so trusting of Okarin- it's because 'he' knows and has dealt with Okarin in person.

[ndm]

One question though...if they are sending these texts to themselves in the past...shouldn't they have gotten them in the past..aka shouldn't we have started out the show with there being all kind of unexplained texts from people he hadn't met yet on his phone?


No, because at that time he was not in the timeline where the messages had been sent. Once a d-mail is sent Ocarin (or you could say everyone) shifts over to the timeline where a message was received in the past. But only Ocarin remembers the previous timeline, so he can look and see the message that was received in the past which caused the change but he can't remember how it changed things because his memories are for the previous, unaffected timeline. Interestingly, because in the new timeline the message never actually gets sent there is no record of it ever being sent on his phone, so it looks as though the message appears from nowhere though it really came from another timeline.

See, easy to understand. :P

[FUNiOP]

Okarin takes full advantage of his newfound powers and manages to change the world line almost every time, and he always remembers everything, while no one else every does. However, some of the results have been more than expected, or something different entirely. Telling Moeka not to get a new cell phone removes all memories of her ever having met with any of the characters (except Okarin of course), and a ridiculous attempt to turn Rukako into a girl fails, but changes world lines anyway. Now the question is what it did change...

[strangefour]

-Okarin has gone truely mad.
-Letting Moeka alter the time stream? But she's the most insane seeming after Okarin.
-Mayushii wants to use Ruka as a cosplay doll. Let her!
-Christina makes a date with Mayushii. Tootooroo~

-Ruka-kun Henshin!
-Cute is Justice!
-Ruka's hotness can snap the minds of men and women with equal power.
-Uuuuhh. Time travel doesn't work like that Ruka. Even if everyone in the room except Mayushii wishes that it could.
-Umm... that's not how you check for girl parts Christina.
-Pagers? What is this ancient device you speak of from the prehistory of man?
-Wait... wait what? What happened!? AAAAAGH! I need the next episode now!

Ruka is a girl now. This is how I choose to view the world. This is the one and only correct view!

[Fencedude]

Wait. Ruka just became Schroedinger's Trap.

HOLY SHIT!

Also, Kurisu, you're...kinda pinging my lesdar.

Fantastic episode.

[superdry]

Let's have fun with time travel! Well...more like Okarin is having fun with time travel no matter who sends the d-mail.

It seems that the CRT repair shop has something to do with being able to move world lines. In the beginning of the episode, no world lines moved at night when Daru sent his message (shop was closed), while the other two times in the episode the shop was open. I wonder what in the store is the catalyst for the time machine.


-Umm... that's not how you check for girl parts Christina.

Ruka is a girl now. This is how I choose to view the world. This is the one and only correct view!

Kurisu's world is shattered and Ruka is better as a trap.

[nakimushi]

Ruka is a girl now. This is how I choose to view the world. This is the one and only correct view!


Well, interestingly enough, while there was no definite visual proof, Mayushii, who had previously always referred to Ruka as Ruka-kun, clearly said Ruka-chan following Okarin's Reading Steiner activation after Ruka sent the D-mail.


Interesting episode all around.

[pathos]

Watching episode 8 made me question some of things I thought I'd figured out about this show, not that I'm surpised I'd be wrong or anything. :angry:

So, I figured what the heck, lets rewatch the whole thing and see if I notice anything different this time. I was going to post in each episodes thread, but thats to bothersome :P

Plus, if someone is watching episode 8, then I'd hope they had already watched those old episodes.

So, things I missed the first time around.

1. At the conference where Kurisu died in the first world, not only was it a guys scream marking her death that Okarin and Mayushi heard, it sounded a whole lot like Okarin himself.

2. When Feyris is telling Okarin about the ibn, she states her dad owned one. She didn't know where it is now, but the last time she saw it, it was at the shrine. And, then the priest says that 10 years ago a man donated it to the shrine, and said that at some point a young man would show up who needed it.

Now, I suppose it's possible that somehow Okarin becomes Ferris dad if he goes back to live in the past. But, I don't even want to think about that :sweat: I'm going to assume the person who donated it was not Okarin, it was Ferris's dad, who was definately not Okarin :P But, that does indicate that Ferris' dad, and by extension, Ferris, might somehow be mixed up in the time travel business.

3. The clues that Suzuha might be the current John Titor started earlier than episode 7. She mentions John, and the ibn much earlier, maybe it was episode 3 or 4.

4. When Okarin was asking John on the net about the 2000 John, the second time, once again John advised he has never gone to 2000. He (she?) does say that it's possible that he might have done so in a different world line. Still not 100% indicative that they are both one and the same. But, it does raise the chances, I guess.

5. Well, my thought that Okarin's phone was important to the time travel bit, and not the microwave, is definately false. It was....before Daru repogrammed the time microwave to allow any phone to be used, I think in episode 7.

6. The voice in the dream he has in episode 6 (kurisu's voice, btw), and the monologue he gives at the very beginning of the first episode, before he and Mayushi leave for the conference. They aren't the same, mind you. But, they do seem to be referencing the same things, in some roundabout ways. I suppose they are probably important, in some way we can't fathom yet, since we don't have enough info.

7 When everyone spills the beans about time travel in front of Shining Finger, she texts him "Could it be FB?" Ok, I'll bite, what the hell does fb mean? Is it something they haven't let on yet? Or am I to stupid to figure it out? :cry:

And I suppose, to give this at least a smidgeon of episode 8 in the content, I'm a little puzzled by what they changed by sending Ruka's email to the past. Hopefully they'll answer that one quickly next episode, or it's really gonna bug me :P

[William K]

Didn't Kurisu figure out that 1 second of microwave time = 1 hour real time backwards? If that's true, then sending a message back 17 years would require the microwave to be running for 17 x 366.25 x 24 seconds

[pathos]

Didn't Kurisu figure out that 1 second of microwave time = 1 hour real time backwards? If that's true, then sending a message back 17 years would require the microwave to be running for 17 x 366.25 x 24 seconds

Sounds about right, yet. I will add though, that the machine doesn't have to run for that long, the timer just has to be set for that length. I think the only dmail that even came close to time running out before they sent the d mail was the lotto, and that was only because Okarin was hesitating.

That aside, I don't think the the microwave timer goes quite that high :sweat:

Perhaps they can send the number that high from the phone, and the time machine will accept it, even if the timer on the face of it only goes to 99.99, or 999.99, or whatever it goes up too.

[nakimushi]

Didn't Kurisu figure out that 1 second of microwave time = 1 hour real time backwards? If that's true, then sending a message back 17 years would require the microwave to be running for 17 x 366.25 x 24 seconds

Sounds about right, yet. I will add though, that the machine doesn't have to run for that long, the timer just has to be set for that length. I think the only dmail that even came close to time running out before they sent the d mail was the lotto, and that was only because Okarin was hesitating.

That aside, I don't think the the microwave timer goes quite that high :sweat:

Perhaps they can send the number that high from the phone, and the time machine will accept it, even if the timer on the face of it only goes to 99.99, or 999.99, or whatever it goes up too.


Maybe the power setting is a multiplier? :)

[HitokiriShadow]

Cute is justice! LOL at Kurisu finding out Rukako's real sex. And damn, they rewrote history so that Moeka never joined the party. And I have a feeling that wasn't unintentional on Moeka's part...

Then Ruka wants to use the D-Mail to become a girl. Ruka is another character this season that is in serious need of some basic reproductive education. Then they run into a bit of a problem: his birth predates cell phones and text messaging capabilities.

And the show has to take time to explain pagers. I.... feel old.

[zalder]

Interesting that Suzuha seems to have experience with micro-chip implantation brain-washing. She also did looked rather apprehensive when she saw the first flashes from their initial tests of the time machine, as if she knew it were the sign of worse things to come.

I think John Titor is conveniently very trusting and optimistic. Some random person texts him to say that he's able to send emails to himself in the past and he immediately anoints him as the savior of the world. Of course perhaps he received an text from someone in the future that told him to say that. :)
I think this episode pretty solidly cemented that Suzuha = John Titor in my eyes. She was the one who suggested that he contact John Titor about what was on his mind, yet to my knowledge he never said anything about having been in contact with John Titor to her. Heck, Kurisu seemed surprised he had a way to contact Titor directly- I'm not sure he'd even told the other Lab Members about that. It also clearly explains why Titor is so trusting of Okarin- it's because 'he' knows and has dealt with Okarin in person.

Hmm well seems he was a boy after all, though a VERY girly looking one. To bad. (this comes from the preview for the next episode on cr I haven't watched it yet).

Hmm, so he can remember world line changes. Interesting...the part timer as John titor as explained above makes some sense except that as she showed us she can here things from upstairs through the window, and he was talking about it in there.

Still all these people are acting very calm about what would be one of the biggest discoveries of all time. I mean I would be trying to tell the news someone...

I wonder if anyone will ever try to send a note to themselves about something they did in the past they shouldn't have done? Still very interesting show. Need to go back and rewatch the earlier shows again at some point to see how it all plays out.

So anyone watching this and C? Which do you like best so far?

[Ashyukun]

Cute is justice! LOL at Kurisu finding out Rukako's real sex. And damn, they rewrote history so that Moeka never joined the party. And I have a feeling that wasn't unintentional on Moeka's part...

Then Ruka wants to use the D-Mail to become a girl. Ruka is another character this season that is in serious need of some basic reproductive education. Then they run into a bit of a problem: his birth predates cell phones and text messaging capabilities.

And the show has to take time to explain pagers. I.... feel old.
Yeah, I had to chuckle uncomfortably at the time taken to explain what a pager was. I was thinking, "Maybe they can just send to her regular email..." but then had to check myself and realize that even email didn't become ubiquitous until 1996 or so...

I'm really curious what exactly Moeka sent in her D-Mail.... I don't for a second think that it was about her changing phones. One thing I couldn't tell for certain- after the timeline shift from her D-Mail, was the IBN still in the future gadgets lab? Given how focussed she's been on it, it wouldn't surprise me if she'd sent a message telling herself where the IBN was so she could get to it before Okarin did. I would have thought that would have changed things more- Kurisu didn't really start believing about the D-Mail until after their deciphering of the CERN stuff with the IBN, so I'd think that she would have not been so into things.

And yeah- count me in the group that believes their pager message actually had the desired impact- Mayushi did clearly address Ruka with -chan vs. her always using -kun before. Granted, that's not 100% confirmation- you could argue that she was just much closer to Ruka in the shifted timeline- but I'm guessing it's more important than just that.

[pathos]

And yeah- count me in the group that believes their pager message actually had the desired impact- Mayushi did clearly address Ruka with -chan vs. her always using -kun before. Granted, that's not 100% confirmation- you could argue that she was just much closer to Ruka in the shifted timeline- but I'm guessing it's more important than just that.

One other bit of evidence, Kurisu and Mayushi both got angry about Okarin trying to peer down "his" shirt. Kurisu would be understandable, if she still, erm, thought that Ruka was a girl in this timeline, but Mayushi should know, and not care. I can only imagine her getting angry about it if Ruka really is a girl.

[TheGreenMan]

If Ruka didn't become a girl...why did Mayuri way of addressing him change from -kun to -chan at the end?

[something]

Episode 5:

- Huh... Suzuha does not like Kurisu at all.
- Mayushii missed Kurisu!
- Yes! You have the right idea, big dude. Kurisu x Mayushii yuri! DO WANT, BADLY. AND LOTS OF IT.
- Mayushii, the voluntary hostage.

- Damn Suzuha is incredibly high-strung this episode. For whatever reason, Tamura Yukari's voice makes it so much more effective.
- Fireforks. Please please get Mayushiii and Kurisu in yukata.

- It's not to be. Instead we get labcoats. Which totally turn Okarin on.
- Kurisu is a minor. I guess I can buy that she's "anime 19" but any younger than that is pushing it.
- Hahah aww, poor Kurisu. She's getting so nervous when Okarin gets all aggressive.
- Oh god she was so scared she tearing up after she realized she wasn't in danger. ;_; Kurisuuuuuu! She's hitting my moe buttons now. Stop being a jerk, Okarin! Really though, that was a brilliant little bit of characterization right there. One exchange makes her feel significantly deeper than she was a few minutes before. Now I can buy the idea that she's a bit younger.

- MewTube!
- Oh shit. Jelly people and jelly bananas. Icky... and creepy.

Well that got pretty awesomely intense at the end.

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Episode 6:

- ::watches OP again:: I want Ferris to be the key to everything.

- NOSTALGIA DRIVE!
- Mayushii doesn't understand big words. ::smile smile:: ...Mayushii is awesome. And hopefully knows more than she lets on.
- Dmail. That's what the PM system at Danbooru is called. It's a conspiracy!
- Buy Mayushii more bananas, you deadbeats!
- Kurisu has dojikko appeal. =D
- MAKING A YURI FIELD! I like that idea. =D

- Moeka meets Okarin again. Briefly. Heh, she doesn't want to talk if he doesn't have his phone. And I wonder what will happen to the messages she just sent.
- "Nothing in the past." Yeah, more confirmation that Suzuha knows Kurisu from the future. I'm with the group that thinks she killed Kurisu, but agree nothing can be assumed to be as it seems.
- Haha, oh Daru. He will turn anything into a sex pun.
- At least Mayushii congratulates Okarin.

- Moeka. Meru all grown up.
- HAHAHA! Everyone is working against you, Okarin, even when they work for you. Moeka's expression as his attempt to cover it up fails is priceless.
- FB? Facebook of time travel!

Lab member 005. Now it's more female than male.

[something]

Glad to see a bit more focus on Moeka. Can we consider her texting communication a form of notebook moe?
Totally. See also Otonashi Meru in Sayonara Zetsubou-sensei or Celty in Durarara!! Notepads, sketchbooks, cell phones, PDAs, sign boards, whatever it takes, it's lovely.

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Episode 7:

- Tuttuoruu! That'll never stop being awesome. And the little girl repeats it. It's becoming a national sensation.
- Haha she Tutturu'd into the past.
- Moeka just stands there sending texts that get ignored. :sd:
- Ah, Kurisu is 18.
- Oh god Mayushii looks so excited. She's got another pretty girl to show around!

- Tsundere Kurisu! "Ah you know what a tsundere is?" XD
- Ffffffff this just got really awesome. He successfully changes the past... and gets Dr Pepper! But only he remembers.
- Only he remembers because it never actually happened. But why does he have the ability to retain memories across time lines?
- Great scene with Suzuha, from her checking for brainwashing chips to getting yelled at for slacking.

- Kurisu and Okarin alone. Lots of text messages. Mayushii offers her Upas. Kurisu flinches again... man she's so not how I expected, and I love it because she's way more interesting than expected.
- John Titor Wants YOU! ...to be a Messiah.

Suuuuuch a good episode, and it keeps getting better.

[Fencedude]

- John Titor Wants YOU! ...to be a Messiah.


Admit it, despite the voice playing, you heard that line in Juiz's voice.

[something]

This show plays very well in modest chunks (4th ep for me since I was so behind) but I'd really like to keep current. It's just so hard to keep up with any show.

Episode 8:

- I'm a bit surprised Kurisu believes him about the world line shifting, but I guess she understands the concept of the Dmails enough to see it as plausible.
- Gotta love how he comes up with ridiculous names at the drop of a hat.

- Kurisu doesn't like the idea of changing the past... not knowing that it's already saved her life.
- Oh god, Moeka can be incredibly creepy. She was sending those texts from mere feet away.

- "Mayuri-oneechan! Tutturuu!" <3
- Suzuha, you sure are quick to defend John Titor. ::coughs::
- Damn, I was hoping Kurisu would reciprocate the Tutturuu.

- ...Well shit. Moeka texted herself out of existence, or at least out of meeting the lab members.
- Phew, so she's okay. But just hasn't met anyone but Okarin.
- YES. SLEEP WITH KURISU, MAYUSHII!! Kurisu wants to take her to a (love) hotel!
- And now Ruka is going to cosplay, which makes Mayushii just as excited.
- Hahaha, Kurisu's pretty girl radar totally just went off. Except it's a boy.
- Kurisu grope!! She's devastated. She thought she knew her cute girls.

- Rukako, sending a mail to the past can't change your gender.
- HEH. I was wondering the same thing. Would his mom even have a cell phone back then?
- I really wish I'd keep track of the date/time stamps that occasionally show up.

Gaaaaaah, leaving us on a cliffhanger? I need to know if Rukako turned into a girl! Then Mayushii's harem can grow ever larger.

[something]

And yeah- count me in the group that believes their pager message actually had the desired impact- Mayushi did clearly address Ruka with -chan vs. her always using -kun before.
Yep, same, change in honorific seems too intentional to not mean anything. But I still want confirmation~!

I'm just waiting to see how Okarin's little edit to keep it under the character limit affected things. I would be shocked if that didn't screw things up somehow.

[FUNiOP]

Ruka is almost not mentioned at all, but Okarin does say they failed at the beginning of the episode. However, the one scene that shows Ruka seems to have him/her in a girl's school uniform. The Butterfly Effect is finally brought up, and every message has caused many small changes to the world. That last one, along with its intended effect, got rid of the IBN 5100 from both Okarin and the Yanabayashi Shrine, and brought the memories of Moeka back the other characters. Feyris learns about the time machine and she sounds like she might be a lead to finding the IBN 5100. It turns out her family basically owns Akiba and she's the one who brought moe culture to it. What? Anyway, she wants to send a D-mail of her own to ten years in the past. She won't tell Okarin what it says (really stupid idea to let that slide on Okarin's part, since he'll likely never know now), and she sends it. The world lines clearly change, as her dad is now there, but now he never even gave the IBN 5100 to the Yanabayashi Shrine, and for some reason Okarin doesn't ask where it did end up (probably because he's understandably overwhelmed by how much he's changing the world). When they go down into Akiba, they realize that the entire district has changed drastically.

HOLY SHIT!

I feel like every second there were countless changes to the world as we all knew it, even down to the world-famous Akihabara suddenly losing everything that identified it. Okarin is now constantly changing the world and starting to regret it big time. Not only is he getting further and further away from the IBN 5100 he once had with each message, he realizes that he's doing things that can probably never be undone, and that's kind of a big deal. I'm sure I'm leaving out tons of important stuff, but this episode was just so packed with it. A really great episode.

Also, Miyano says "keikaku doori" and Christina is a 2channer who accidentally reveals herself with a meme (I'm guessing it's a Japanese 2ch meme that wouldn't translate, since I doubt they have the Xzibit meme in Japan). These would usually be things that I'd talk about immediately, but there was so much important stuff (like, you know, CONSTANTLY CHANGING THE WORLD) that I totally forgot about it until now. I feel like there were some other things like this I meant to mention, but again, if I can't even think of all the actual important plot points and world changes, I'm not going to push myself to try to remember some more otaku in-jokes.

[TheGreenMan]

And yeah- count me in the group that believes their pager message actually had the desired impact- Mayushi did clearly address Ruka with -chan vs. her always using -kun before.
Yep, same, change in honorific seems too intentional to not mean anything. But I still want confirmation~!

I'm just waiting to see how Okarin's little edit to keep it under the character limit affected things. I would be shocked if that didn't screw things up somehow.

For a science fiction show, this is really throwing science out the window with this one. Diet changes the sex of the baby? Really? Ever hear of chromosomes and sperm?

[bear]

And otaku all over Japan probably gasped when they realized Akihbara had been deleted:sdsmiley:

Since the only one who remembers the previous world line is Okarin I think the actual answer is that no one is jumping world lines except Okarin.

Yeah, diet isn't going to change the sex of a baby, but given the butterfly effect, it somehow could change which swimmer makes it to the ova first. So if the message arrived before her mom was pregnant....

[Fencedude]

I...well...fuck.

Goddamn. Thats all there is to say. My mind was blown.

[strangefour]

-Feyris wants to control time itself!
-Don't leave Mayushii. Bad Okarin. No more time travel for you today.
-Mayushii's in high school? NOOOO!
-"I am no scientist! I am a mad scientist!" Ya damn right Okarin and that's why we love you.
-Wait what? Did the subtitles just... hehehehe (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/strangefour/Yo_Fail.jpg).
-Aaaand finally Okarin realizes that someone else got to the IBM 5100 first in this timeline. SHINING FINGAH!
-"But we only changed little stuff." well maybe you did. But no one was looking at Moeka's cell phone when she sent a message Okarin.

-Metal Upa!
-Moeka... what?
-Feyris owns Akihabara. She pioneered the spread of moe culture. She is the creator and destroyer of our world.
-Poor sad reality avoiding Daru.
-Damn it people! D-mail reshapes the fabric of reality. It is not a private matter.
-Okarin has atrocious phone etiquette.
-Oh the cell sending the messege doesn't need to be in the vicinity of the -Phone Microwave (name subject to change)?
-Akihabara. Is. No. More.

I love Steins gate. That is all.

[strangefour]

I...well...fuck.

Goddamn. That's all there is to say. My mind was blown.

Mind blowing might be pushing it a bit far. But it was a perfectly timed shock in the story. Things were getting comfortable and complacent. Okarin realizing how much his changing of little things is changing much bigger parts of reality comes at the perfect time in the story. Reminding us this is a time travel tale hiding in a geeky sitcom. The future can only get more unraveled.

[pathos]

I...well...fuck.

Goddamn. That's all there is to say. My mind was blown.

Mind blowing might be pushing it a bit far. But it was a perfectly timed shock in the story. Things were getting comfortable and complacent. Okarin realizing how much his changing of little things is changing much bigger parts of reality comes at the perfect time in the story. Reminding us this is a time travel tale hiding in a geeky sitcom. The future can only get more unraveled.

Hrm, my mind was certainly blown.

holy fuck

[pathos]

oh, also, I would like to point out something.

Although from what I remember Okarin talking like the last experiment was a failure even now....

When he called Ruka, erm, "he" was partially shrouded by trees, but "he was quite clearly wearing the same school uniform as Mayuri.

Sailor suit, that is.

Either he really likes dressing up as a girl, or he most definately is a she now.

I only mention this since I actually missed it the first time around :P

[nakimushi]

-Wait what? Did the subtitles just... hehehehe (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/strangefour/Yo_Fail.jpg).


I'm guessing they tried interpreting the meme, but it didn't work for me - it just looked odd.

Also, the subtitles were very out of place when Okarin was talking with Moeka: "But you're right. My dad did have a lot of old PCs." (CR 13:45) is from Okarin's conversation with Feyris, not Moeka. I reported it to CR.

Anyway, tragedy! The complete de-otakunization of Akihabara!

So did Feyris' D-mail reconcile her with her father or bring him back to life? Either way, it seems to have prevented Ferris from bringing proto-moe-culture to Akihabara in this timeline. However, she is still wearing her neko-mimi.

Also, in the timeline from the first part of the episode, without the IBN 5100, how did Kurisu know about the failed SERN experiments. Didn't they learn about them by using the 5100 to decode the reports?

[hissatsu]

-Wait what? Did the subtitles just... hehehehe (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/strangefour/Yo_Fail.jpg).


I'm guessing they tried interpreting the meme, but it didn't work for me - it just looked odd.


I searched for だめだこいつ。。。 早く何とかしないと。Apparently it's a DEATH NOTE meme.

[superdry]

Things just keep getting crazier. Now we it looks like we'll be in for a rollercoaster of a ride now since Kyouma has realized things be changing. I can't even begin to understand fully what the hell is going on. This definitely one of those series to rewatch earlier episodes to figure out nuances of the subsequent episodes.

Why does the time travel only affect Kyouma in a way? When he moves world-lines he knows what happened in the past of the world-line he was in, but nothing of the past in the world-line he moves into. Wouldn't that screw things up for him unless the other lab members bring him up-to-date on what has happened. It's almost like in the world-line he moves into...he never existed until that point.


-Wait what? Did the subtitles just... hehehehe (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/strangefour/Yo_Fail.jpg).


I'm guessing they tried interpreting the meme, but it didn't work for me - it just looked odd.

Also, in the timeline from the first part of the episode, without the IBN 5100, how did Kurisu know about the failed SERN experiments. Didn't they learn about them by using the 5100 to decode the reports?

I'll be interested to read what the original meme was. It was funny to see Makise being a closet @channeler. She's such an awesome character, but what was it in the beginning that made her flustered and cry - something with her father?

Regarding the SERN experiments - they knew about it without the need of the IBN5100. End of episode 3/beginning of episode 4. The IBN5100 allowed them to read more about the failed experiments.

[EmperorBrandon]

So did Feyris' D-mail reconcile her with her father or bring him back to life? Either way, it seems to have prevented Ferris from bringing proto-moe-culture to Akihabara in this timeline. However, she is still wearing her neko-mimi.

I was completely expecting her to be lose her "nyan nyan" persona by the timeline change and was surprised when she was still called "Feyris". Of course, it ended up being all of Akihabara instead...

[HitokiriShadow]

Holy shit, the Otaku mecca of Akihabara no longer exists. Feyris's family owns and SHE was the one that made it that way. And then her text message to the past causes her to do not do it.

It was nice to get a lot of Feyris, er, Rumiho this episode. But now that maid cafe no longer exists. ;_;

Kurisu's comment about fail and facepalms made no sense. I figured it must have been some sort of Japanese internet meme, but it was confusing to read.

[superdry]

Kurisu's comment about fail and facepalms made no sense. I figured it must have been some sort of Japanese internet meme, but it was confusing to read.

The transition to meme was a little jarring. I feel like the direct translation would have worked better and made a little more sense.

Now, I understand why the subs are the way they are - it's a fun little fact that Kurisu is a closet @channeller and she was so cute being flustered after that fact being discovered. If the subs were directly translated the whole closet @channeller things would have gone over people's heads unless they know Japanese memes.

In a way I think CR did the right thing by using a popular American meme.

[zalder]

This show plays very well in modest chunks (4th ep for me since I was so behind) but I'd really like to keep current. It's just so hard to keep up with any show.

Episode 8:

- I'm a bit surprised Kurisu believes him about the world line shifting, but I guess she understands the concept of the Dmails enough to see it as plausible.
- Gotta love how he comes up with ridiculous names at the drop of a hat.

- Kurisu doesn't like the idea of changing the past... not knowing that it's already saved her life.
- Oh god, Moeka can be incredibly creepy. She was sending those texts from mere feet away.

- "Mayuri-oneechan! Tutturuu!" <3
- Suzuha, you sure are quick to defend John Titor. ::coughs::
- Damn, I was hoping Kurisu would reciprocate the Tutturuu.

- ...Well shit. Moeka texted herself out of existence, or at least out of meeting the lab members.
- Phew, so she's okay. But just hasn't met anyone but Okarin.
- YES. SLEEP WITH KURISU, MAYUSHII!! Kurisu wants to take her to a (love) hotel!
- And now Ruka is going to cosplay, which makes Mayushii just as excited.
- Hahaha, Kurisu's pretty girl radar totally just went off. Except it's a boy.
- Kurisu grope!! She's devastated. She thought she knew her cute girls.

- Rukako, sending a mail to the past can't change your gender.
- HEH. I was wondering the same thing. Would his mom even have a cell phone back then?
-

Wow just wow.....THEY FOUND A WAY FOR US TO KEEP GUESSING ABOUT THE TRAP!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA Clever, clever, clever...and my GOD was he cute dressed as a girl. Been said about the honorific but also, why would she cover her breast unless she had something there...also there was a fairly obvious change in dress...it looked like she was wearing a bra or some sort of underneath top piece...but maybe now he is just a cross dresser...? I would just have asked, they all know about the time machine now...

This show is incredible
INCREDIBLE
This is one I am going to have to buy.

[zalder]

oh, also, I would like to point out something.

Although from what I remember Okarin talking like the last experiment was a failure even now....

When he called Ruka, erm, "he" was partially shrouded by trees, but "he was quite clearly wearing the same school uniform as Mayuri.

Sailor suit, that is.

Either he really likes dressing up as a girl, or he most definately is a she now.

I only mention this since I actually missed it the first time around :P

They must have laughed when they were writing this I mean they take care of telling us that he is a trap...(after seven or so episodes of making us wonder) and then change it right around again. Really this show has it all...great characters with interesting character drama, a pretty decent sci-fi plot, and massive amounts of humor. I mean really if this ends well and keeps this up this is going to rank in my top ten anime of all time I think. Incredibly well done show.

[bear]

.... Really this show has it all...great characters with interesting character drama, a pretty decent sci-fi plot, and massive amounts of humor. I mean really if this ends well and keeps this up this is going to rank in my top ten anime of all time I think. Incredibly well done show.

I find it amusing that they've created a character who doesn't consider himself to be a scientist, he considers himself to be a MAD scientist. Usually they start out wanting to be a scientist and wind up mad. Mad scientist is his career goal! On top of that are all the characters that are willing to go along with it.

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Episode 9:

- Feyris-taaaaaaan! Momoi's voice makes me swirm with glee.
- Now it's time for Feyris to reveal that she is the most important characte rin the show!

- Hmm, Kurisu is having a pretty emotional phone call.
- Yikes. Heh, Okarin has this look on his face that just screams "I can't deal with this weepy kid".
- ...That's one way of consoling her. I think.

- Wait, school? I assumed she was done.
- Wow, I don't usually watch the CR streams of this show (I went elsewhere due to the initial audio glitches CR was having, and haven't switched back since before this ep), but is the translation always this... ...eaaarrrrgh? I mean, yes, I get it, she's using a 2ch meme, but after reading their choice of "fail in your fail", I can emphatically say I won't make the mistake of watching this show on CR again. Why can't we get a simple, competent translation that doesn't draw attention to itself with big flashing gaudy christmas lights? For fuck's sake, people, this is why commercial translation is in such a sorry state. Fucking rage.
- Anyway, oh shit, no IBN5100 in this timeline. I bet Moeka found it first since they don't know her here.

- Rukako in a girl's school outfit. I think that seals that.
- Feyris clearly has something in her past that she regrets big time.
- Heeey, Moeka. Looks like she doesn't have the IBN but she's after it. And what is FB, damnit!
- It changes, again!

- Feyris...ojou-sama!?
- Akiha Rumiho! Yeah, I prefer Feyris-tan too.
- So she's part of a crazy wealthy family who owns all of Akiba? And she's the emissary of moe to Akiba...
- Lab Member 007! Hell yeah, now it's four women on team. Well, assuming Moeka is still one.
- She wants to send a message. Okarin is right that it's not a good idea but doesn't have much choice.
- Hahaha, the conversation(s) with Kurisu were gold.

- Send. What changed this time?
- Oh shit, she brought her dad back to life? And the situation is completely changed. This is the primary danger of the time traveling texts: no matter what you have planned ahead of time, you have no way to know how things will go after the text. Everything can change, and you need to start over. Especially if you allow ten years of differences to build up.
- Each text is just sending the IBN farther and farther away from Okarin.
- !!! Ohhh wow. I thought this might happen. By changing Feyris' past, otaku Akiba ceased to exist!

Damn, what an ending. Okarin... stop now (not really, that would be boring). Every text you make to try to fix things is going to make things worse. The hrder you try the farther your goal gets.

[superdry]

Episode 9:
- Wow, I don't usually watch the CR streams of this show (I went elsewhere due to the initial audio glitches CR was having, and haven't switched back since before this ep), but is the translation always this... ...eaaarrrrgh? I mean, yes, I get it, she's using a 2ch meme, but after reading their choice of "fail in your fail", I can emphatically say I won't make the mistake of watching this show on CR again. Why can't we get a simple, competent translation that doesn't draw attention to itself with big flashing gaudy christmas lights? For fuck's sake, people, this is why commercial translation is in such a sorry state. Fucking rage.


Well, unless you know your 2chan memes, I don't think people would have fully understood it when Okabe calls Makise on it. Of course, in this case, it's a big WTF.

The direct translation would have worked better since it's a statement that makes sense in the context of the conversation in the show. Maybe a TL could have been put in just mentioning it's a 2chan meme so at least then people would understand.

I've been following CR for the show and it hasn't been terrible at all...then again this season is this first season I'm watching stuff on CR and I know they've been slowly improving somewhat each season.

[something]

Maybe a TL [note]
Straight translation with a simple 3-5 word note should have been the obvious choice. 'Note: common 2channel meme" or "Note: common Japanese internet meme" if you really want to dumb it down. If they insist on hitting us over the head with it, just throwing the word fail somewhere (once, please) in an otherwise straight TL would have made it abundantly clear. Over-translation is the worst thing a translator can do. That's the translation saying "Hey hey, I'm here, look at me, aren't I witty? Hey hey, pay attention to me!" Which is the opposite of what should happen.

I've been following CR for the show and it hasn't been terrible at all...then again this season is this first season I'm watching stuff on CR and I know they've been slowly improving somewhat each season.
I don't think I'd say they're improving - between all the rushed translations (putting out a TL with "?" as a line, ergh) and lingering localization issues, they've still got a lot of problems that don't seem to be getting fixed. Anything is an improvement over the all-out "localize to death" blitzkrieg of fall '10, sure, but the number of shows I find myself watching purely on CR is really slipping lately. Granted, I'm not saying other streaming companies are any better (quite the opposite) but CR is becoming less relevant for me. I probably would have dropped my membership if it didn't auto-renew a couple weeks earlier than I was expecting and catch me off guard.

[zalder]

A direct translation that doesn't take into account the culture of the language you are translating into is a mistake. You loose a great deal of nuance of meaning that way. Certainly you shouldn't blatantly change the meaning of what it is but you have to be aware of the culture of the language you are translating to and take that into account. Lord knows Japanese culture is incredibly different than American. I doubt a direct translation would have made any sense to me at all as my knowledge of japanese internet memes is nill (which I do not think makes me a terrible fan) and I know no japanese. And regardless of how bad you think their translation is, they at least give money back to the creators which other places do not.

[something]

I doubt a direct translation would have made any sense to me at all as my knowledge of japanese internet memes is nill
The original phrase doesn't require any knowledge of Japanese internet memes. It's a pretty regular sentence that means what it says (roughly, "This guy is hopeless, we need to hurry up and do something about him").

See, you don't need to know the meme, you just need to know it is a meme. And a note saying "common Japanese internet meme" conveys that instantly and perfectly, without making the translator look brain-damaged or pissing me off. And I guarantee you would have fully understood the situation and not have needed to think twice about it. The point is that she spoke in an internet meme, which clashed with what they knew of her personality to that point. It really is that simple.

It's obvious that the main reason re-writes get accepted is because too many people don't trust their own ability to understand things, and inherently assume "If it was rewritten then I assume it must have been beyond my comprehension so I won't question it." Which is nearly always total bull.

Also, watch your subject lines.

[HitokiriShadow]

I doubt a direct translation would have made any sense to me at all as my knowledge of japanese internet memes is nill (which I do not think makes me a terrible fan) and I know no japanese.

What they ended up re-writing it to didn't make any sense anyway.

[zalder]

I doubt a direct translation would have made any sense to me at all as my knowledge of japanese internet memes is nill
The original phrase doesn't require any knowledge of Japanese internet memes. It's a pretty regular sentence that means what it says (roughly, "This guy is hopeless, we need to hurry up and do something about him").

See, you don't need to know the meme, you just need to know it is a meme. And a note saying "common Japanese internet meme" conveys that instantly and perfectly, without making the translator look brain-damaged or pissing me off. And I guarantee you would have fully understood the situation and not have needed to think twice about it. The point is that she spoke in an internet meme, which clashed with what they knew of her personality to that point. It really is that simple.

It's obvious that the main reason re-writes get accepted is because too many people don't trust their own ability to understand things, and inherently assume "If it was rewritten then I assume it must have been beyond my comprehension so I won't question it." Which is nearly always total bull.

Also, watch your subject lines.


I'll have to judge after I see the episode as I am a week behind, read this just for the controversy (usually don't read ahead). Had heard there was one elsewhere.

[FUNiOP]

Last Time: Okarin destroys Akihabara!

This Time: What next? The world?

Not quite. The episode was relatively calm compared to the previous mind-blowing one, although it did provide some necessary reflection on just what kind of effects Okarin has had on the world. Along with obviously beginning with more about Akihabara being rewritten, he finally realizes that they succeeded in changing Ruka's gender... in the worst way possible. Although it seems like he'd want to stop using D-mail at this point, he offers to change Suzuha's past so her father won't abandon her. It turns out this doesn't happen, but when she takes off, he sends another one to make sure he follows her, and it works. Although she didn't meet her father and she doesn't know his number, he's apparently related to the time travel forum she went to, and going by Titor, but Barrel Titor, not John. There's lots of good character interaction and development, and that nice little bit of information at the end to give us an idea of where the plot might be going next time. It's interesting, and perhaps not very realistic, that nearly all the character's personalities, and even relationships, don't change at all with all the changes to the world they make.

[bear]

There were a couple of things that struck me. One was the fever's relation to his worldline changing and the other was his age. He mention's having the fever during the Y2K panic and Mayuri says it was in elementary school. So it's about 10-12 years after that now. That would make him, at most, mid twenties? Suzuha makes a comment about him being too young to drink, although that might be just a joke. However, if he was sick in the first grade he might possibly be under 20. He looks a lot older to me though.

[superdry]

Makise is awesome in the episode. Too bad the girls couldn't go the beach together. And, Okabe not realizing Ruka is actually a girl was rather humourous.

So, even with changing world lines a few times, even a major one in the last episode, not enough in the past has changed for Suzuha to not be around in modern era assuming she is a time traveller (lots of evidence points to yes). One possibility for her father is Daru since she went to the meet-up and he is/was there, too. That would be interesting.

He mention's having the fever during the Y2K panic and Mayuri says it was in elementary school. So it's about 10-12 years after that now. That would make him, at most, mid twenties? Suzuha makes a comment about him being too young to drink, although that might be just a joke. However, if he was sick in the first grade he might possibly be under 20. He looks a lot older to me though.

That makes sense. He could be turning 20 later in the year so that would place his birth year 1990 and be in elementary school for the 1999-2000 academic year.

[LKK]

He mention's having the fever during the Y2K panic and Mayuri says it was in elementary school. So it's about 10-12 years after that now. That would make him, at most, mid twenties? Suzuha makes a comment about him being too young to drink, although that might be just a joke. However, if he was sick in the first grade he might possibly be under 20. He looks a lot older to me though.

That makes sense. He could be turning 20 later in the year so that would place his birth year 1990 and be in elementary school for the 1999-2000 academic year.
Episode 1 tells us Okarin's and Daru's approximate ages. Okarin says that Daru has known him for 3 1/2 years. Daru says that they met as 2nd years in high school. They're both freshmen in college. I don't remember the episode number, but there's a scene where they talk about some class they attend together.

By the way, episode 10 tells us that it's August 2008.

[nakimushi]

He mention's having the fever during the Y2K panic and Mayuri says it was in elementary school. So it's about 10-12 years after that now. That would make him, at most, mid twenties? Suzuha makes a comment about him being too young to drink, although that might be just a joke. However, if he was sick in the first grade he might possibly be under 20. He looks a lot older to me though.

That makes sense. He could be turning 20 later in the year so that would place his birth year 1990 and be in elementary school for the 1999-2000 academic year.

Well, Kurisu told him that he shouldn't be drinking because he was still a minor, so that would make him under 20 in Japan.

I checked the official site (http://steinsgate.tv/character/index.html) (links to each character are at the top)

Here are the ages listed:

Okarin - 18
Kurisu - 18
Mayushii - 16
Daru - 19
Moeka - 20
Ruka - 16
Feyris - 17
Suzuha - 18
Nae - 11

Since it is 2010 in the show and the Y2K "panic" was in 1999, Okarin would have been 7 and Mayushii would have been 5 years old.


I guess we'll have to find out next week what else has changed (aside from Suzuha not leaving) after Okarin sent the D-mail to himself to follow Suzuha to keep her from leaving.

[superdry]

Well, Kurusu told him that he shouldn't be drinking because he was still a minor, so that would make him under 20 in Japan.

I checked the official site (http://steinsgate.tv/character/index.html) (links to each character are at the top)

Here are the ages listed:

Okarin - 18
Kurusu - 18
Ruka - 16


That's why I mentioned, before you listed the age, that Okabe could be turning 20...not 20.

Interesting that Kurisu and Okabe are the same age...I've always through he's older than her.

And, Kurisu and Ruka are two years a part? I'm guessing then Ruka turns 17 in 2010 since Kurisu mentioned they she's only a year older than him when they met.

Speaking about the official site...since it's the first time looking through - I like how they explain some stuff in each episode. Episode 9 synopsis has a small blurb regarding the meme Kurisu spouted in the episode. Pretty cool stuff. Episode 10 page even mentions the birthmark or mole (Mongolian Spot) some Asians are born with (totally forgot about that).

[strangefour]

-Even May Queen Nya Nya is gone... NOOOOOOOO! This is no longer a world worth living in Okarin.
-RUKA-CHAN! Today Schrodingers Trap is Hetero flavored!
-FLAT IS JUSTICE! Akihabara might be gone, but this universe has it's own advantages. Stop messing with time Okarin... oh wait this show would end the. Carry on!
-Omg Okarin. You asshole.
-Ruka needs a hug now. <3
-Suzuha becomes lab member 008. Only one more before they can badly cosplay as the Cyborg 009 team.
-Okarin, the nicest of all mad scientists.
-Someone out to get him!
-Red jello?

-Okarin was the time child.
-Mayushii chop!
-That's alot of chopped mushrooms there Mayushii.
-Poor Daru. Missed his time travel friends in the hopes of seeing Feyris-nyan. -Now he'll never get to meet his daughter.
-Claymore humidifier?
-Confessions in the dark.
-Suzuha's gone and so is the time machine wedged in the building.
-NOT!
-Barrel Titor?

Well I just unpacked a new computer today. Which resulted in jaggies watching this episode full screen and I think I put my new speakers in backwards. Aside from my own technical difficulties the episode was great.

[Fencedude]

Well.

Ruka's a girl now, thats nice to know.

And after Suzuha left, the "satelite" was gone from the building, so that confirms that question.

But who is Barrel Titor? And why was Suzuha at the same meeting that Daru was going to?

[TheGreenMan]

So, if Ruka is not a boy anymore...does she/he still qualify as a trap on Danbooru? Is the tagging correct now? Stupid parallel time lines. Arrrrghh.

[bear]

So, if Ruka is not a boy anymore...does she/he still qualify as a trap on Danbooru? Is the tagging correct now? Stupid parallel time lines. Arrrrghh.

Well, Okarin got himself caught in a reverse trap. Sort of. Damn, what would you call that?

[Fencedude]

So, if Ruka is not a boy anymore...does she/he still qualify as a trap on Danbooru? Is the tagging correct now? Stupid parallel time lines. Arrrrghh.

Ignoring the fact that the trap tag violates several rules as it is, I'd say just leave it.

But if you have an actual issue, bring it up on the Danbooru forum.

[bear]

So, if Ruka is not a boy anymore...does she/he still qualify as a trap on Danbooru? Is the tagging correct now? Stupid parallel time lines. Arrrrghh.
Thinking about it, Ruka was in a superposition of boy/girl. That is until Okarin grabbed her crotch (an observation was made), then Ruka's wave state collapsed and was a she. ;)

[strangefour]

So, if Ruka is not a boy anymore...does she/he still qualify as a trap on Danbooru? Is the tagging correct now? Stupid parallel time lines. Arrrrghh.
Thinking about it, Ruka was in a superposition of boy/girl. That is until Okarin grabbed her crotch (an observation was made), then Ruka's wave state collapsed and was a she. ;)

Wait bu--- AHHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's the best damn description for Ruka. Schrödinger's Trap is a fantastic new example for understanding quantum mechanics.

[TheGreenMan]

So, if Ruka is not a boy anymore...does she/he still qualify as a trap on Danbooru? Is the tagging correct now? Stupid parallel time lines. Arrrrghh.
Thinking about it, Ruka was in a superposition of boy/girl. That is until Okarin grabbed her crotch (an observation was made), then Ruka's wave state collapsed and was a she. ;)

Wait bu--- AHHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's the best damn description for Ruka. Schrödinger's Trap is a fantastic new example for understanding quantum mechanics.

Schrödinger's Trap! hahahahahahahaha! Good one bear/strangefour.

[zalder]

Episode 9:

- Oh shit, she brought her dad back to life? And the situation is completely changed. This is the primary danger of the time traveling texts: no matter what you have planned ahead of time, you have no way to know how things will go after the text. Everything can change, and you need to start over. Especially if you allow ten years of differences to build up.
- Each text is just sending the IBN farther and farther away from Okarin.
- !!! Ohhh wow. I thought this might happen. By changing Feyris' past, otaku Akiba ceased to exist!

Damn, what an ending. Okarin... stop now (not really, that would be boring). Every text you make to try to fix things is going to make things worse. The hrder you try the farther your goal gets.

So week behind you guys as I had to drop my crunchyroll subscription for financial reasons. (anyone want to gift me a few months ;). Since I had read ahead for the translation scandal the surprise here was spoiled for me, but man what an effective scene....having the credits and the music play over it and him running around THAT was very well done and made me go oh shit even though I knew it was coming. I expect he will have a "I have become God destroyers of worlds" experience now...and as we have scene he is actually worrying about what he is doing (and thus doesn't really fit the bill of a Mad scientist...who would revel in his new power and try to make as many changes as possible) he may even stop sending the D-mails...though what the show would do if he did that not sure. Wonder if he will start trying to change his changes now....starting to get a Lathe of Heaven (EXTREMELY good book) vibe from this now.

[zalder]

So, if Ruka is not a boy anymore...does she/he still qualify as a trap on Danbooru? Is the tagging correct now? Stupid parallel time lines. Arrrrghh.
Thinking about it, Ruka was in a superposition of boy/girl. That is until Okarin grabbed her crotch (an observation was made), then Ruka's wave state collapsed and was a she. ;)

Wait bu--- AHHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's the best damn description for Ruka. Schrödinger's Trap is a fantastic new example for understanding quantum mechanics.

Schrödinger's Trap! hahahahahahahaha! Good one bear/strangefour.

Ok we need to make that a meme pronto...someone make a faux vid using that to explain quantum mechanics...you could start with someone acting like a professor explain quantum mechanics then intersperse it with scenes from the show...and end by playing dude looks like a lady ;).

[nakimushi]

So, if Ruka is not a boy anymore...does she/he still qualify as a trap on Danbooru? Is the tagging correct now? Stupid parallel time lines. Arrrrghh.
Thinking about it, Ruka was in a superposition of boy/girl. That is until Okarin grabbed her crotch (an observation was made), then Ruka's wave state collapsed and was a she. ;)

Wait bu--- AHHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's the best damn description for Ruka. Schrödinger's Trap is a fantastic new example for understanding quantum mechanics.

Schrödinger's Trap! hahahahahahahaha! Good one bear/strangefour.


Hmm, perhaps it was in another timeline, but I seem to recall seeing that before (http://www.mania.com/aodvb/showthread.php?p=1942449). :)

Although to be fair, bear did a better job describing the mechanics of the situation.

[strangefour]

So, if Ruka is not a boy anymore...does she/he still qualify as a trap on Danbooru? Is the tagging correct now? Stupid parallel time lines. Arrrrghh.
Thinking about it, Ruka was in a superposition of boy/girl. That is until Okarin grabbed her crotch (an observation was made), then Ruka's wave state collapsed and was a she. ;)

Wait bu--- AHHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's the best damn description for Ruka. Schrödinger's Trap is a fantastic new example for understanding quantum mechanics.

Schrödinger's Trap! hahahahahahahaha! Good one bear/strangefour.


Hmm, perhaps it was in another timeline, but I seem to recall seeing that before (http://www.mania.com/aodvb/showthread.php?p=1942449). :)

Although to be fair, bear did a better job describing the mechanics of the situation.

Yes. Fencedude did submit the original hypothesis. However more research into the quantum entanglement of gender identification of trapped individuals has been done since the first observation of the phenomenon. Much more intensive study into Ruka's gate is still ahead of us. Intense probing study. Lots of it.

[Shiroi Hane]

I've been putting off coming into this thread since we're only 5 episodes in over here. I've given in and switched to hybrid.

John Titor - this is interesting. Why do I have a feeling that he is Rintaro from the future. The number of search results also suddenly increases from 12 to 56 when Kyouma looks for his books. Interesting.
The 12 results were for the name in katakana and the 56 for English.

[zalder]

How are you all only five episodes in? You get some good stuff coming up. I am a week behind everyone else so I'll try to post replies to your posts. Always good to have discussion.

[HitokiriShadow]

Well, that answers the question of whether Rukako actually became a girl. But.... hooooooooow??????? They just completely tossed science and biology out the window.

[bear]

Well, that answers the question of whether Rukako actually became a girl. But.... hooooooooow??????? They just completely tossed science and biology out the window.
Simple answer: "Butterfly Effect". One small change can cascade into multiple changes. One example: The odds on a particular sperm making it to the ova are about as good as winning the lottery. Her mom gets the page and is upset by it. Doesn't have sex that night because she's upset. Or maybe she winds up going to the grocery for vegetables instead of having a quicky. Next time she has sex an xx sperm makes it to the finish line first instead of the xy that would have if she'd had sex on the original night. Ruka's wive's tale about the type of food didn't have to have anything to do with the change in sex directly. The page just may have set up new circumstances.

[Shiroi Hane]

I'm thinking his phone has more to do with it than the microwave. Working in tandem, sure. But, the original text that got sent back in time was when he was out at the convention, not at the lab. Perhaps his phone is the trigger, and it was making the microwave do the work for physcial objects. He was using his phone to turn the microwave on as a remote control, iirc.
You connect one phone to the microwave then use another to control it remotely. He happened to send the text to Daru's phone while it was connected to the microwave and it was running. They did it the other way around (Okarin's phone was the one plugged into the microwave) with the second test before blowing it up.

[Shiroi Hane]

Anime on Demand had a bit of a rocky start, largely due to the problems in Japan, and the first episode didn't go up till the 15th of May.

[zalder]

Anime on Demand had a bit of a rocky start, largely due to the problems in Japan, and the first episode didn't go up till the 15th of May.

Ah not watching in on crunchyroll? Well enjoy it. I'm with you that they should have made him a crossdressor or something rather than an actual female does through biology out the window even if it can be retconned. I mean he wouldn't be the same person in ANY way if he was a female rather than a male..sex is such a major part of identity changing that one thing and thinking you can leave everything else the same. Not possible.

[pathos]

I'm thinking his phone has more to do with it than the microwave. Working in tandem, sure. But, the original text that got sent back in time was when he was out at the convention, not at the lab. Perhaps his phone is the trigger, and it was making the microwave do the work for physcial objects. He was using his phone to turn the microwave on as a remote control, iirc.
You connect one phone to the microwave then use another to control it remotely. He happened to send the text to Daru's phone while it was connected to the microwave and it was running. They did it the other way around (Okarin's phone was the one plugged into the microwave) with the second test before blowing it up.

lol, you noticed that alot better than I did the first time around. I somehow managed to miss that whole conversation until I rewatched a few episodes a month ago or so.

Not that I'm suddenly better at not missing stuff now or anything :sweat:

[Shiroi Hane]

I can't watch it on Crunchyroll (region lock).
As for the rest.. I have no idea what you are replying to.

[Shiroi Hane]

I'm actually on my second time through myself, although the first episode only went up a month ago here ^^;

[Shiroi Hane]

Suzuha's instinctive reaction to a helicopter is that its a bombing. She has also never seen Fireworks, and will drop into a combat stance at a moment's notice.

So yeah, Suzuha is almost certainly "not from around here"
I'd forgotten about the soldier comment until I re-watched the earlier episodes, and there's also other things that stand out, like having to research current greetings and having never seen corn on the cob before.

[Shiroi Hane]

Kurisu is a minor. I guess I can buy that she's "anime 19" but any younger than that is pushing it.
She's a year older than Ruka who is "17 this year". According to Wikipedia the legal drinking age in Japan is 20 so either she's 17 going on 18 or she's 18 and the translation should have been "underage" rather than "a minor".

[HitokiriShadow]

Well, that answers the question of whether Rukako actually became a girl. But.... hooooooooow??????? They just completely tossed science and biology out the window.
Simple answer: "Butterfly Effect". One small change can cascade into multiple changes. One example: The odds on a particular sperm making it to the ova are about as good as winning the lottery. Her mom gets the page and is upset by it. Doesn't have sex that night because she's upset. Or maybe she winds up going to the grocery for vegetables instead of having a quicky. Next time she has sex an xx sperm makes it to the finish line first instead of the xy that would have if she'd had sex on the original night. Ruka's wive's tale about the type of food didn't have to have anything to do with the change in sex directly. The page just may have set up new circumstances.

I thought they were sending the message to her after she was already pregnant, which would have been too late for the sperm to have changed. If it reached her before Ruka was conceived, then yes, there are some relatively easy answers.

[superdry]

Well, that answers the question of whether Rukako actually became a girl. But.... hooooooooow??????? They just completely tossed science and biology out the window.
Simple answer: "Butterfly Effect". One small change can cascade into multiple changes. One example: The odds on a particular sperm making it to the ova are about as good as winning the lottery. Her mom gets the page and is upset by it. Doesn't have sex that night because she's upset. Or maybe she winds up going to the grocery for vegetables instead of having a quicky. Next time she has sex an xx sperm makes it to the finish line first instead of the xy that would have if she'd had sex on the original night. Ruka's wive's tale about the type of food didn't have to have anything to do with the change in sex directly. The page just may have set up new circumstances.

I thought they were sending the message to her after she was already pregnant, which would have been too late for the sperm to have changed. If it reached her before Ruka was conceived, then yes, there are some relatively easy answers.

I think you're right that Ruka sent her message when her mom was already pregnant. I just think the world line moved to is the world where Ruka is a girl and the d-mail she sent had nothing to do with it. Could have been a fluke in this case.

[strangefour]

-High speed seduction!
-Mr Braun's tv downstairs is part of the Phone Microwave (name subject to change) time machine?
-Christina has come up with a possible method of Quantum Leaping. How hard could it be?
-Okarin loves teasing Christina about being an @channel nerd.
-Christina's father is also a scientist. A scientist she used to love debating science with. But she was correct more often than he. He now hates her for pointing out flaws in his theories. But fear not the mad scientist Okarin can solve all problems!
-Mayushi is a strong girl. But packs way too many sleepover and cosplay materials.
-While Okarin's away Christina and Mayushi play! *wink*
-Okarin gets another creepy threatening text while at a grocery store.
-Run Okarin run! Secure the safety of Mayushi!
-My eyes... They are so shocked.
-Daru's computer isn't connected to SERN. SERN is connected to the computer. The Organization IS out to get Okarin. Madness has become sanity.

This show could only become more of my favorite of the season if it Isaac & Miria showed up.

[bear]

I think you're right that Ruka sent her message when her mom was already pregnant. I just think the world line moved to is the world where Ruka is a girl and the d-mail she sent had nothing to do with it. Could have been a fluke in this case.
I rewatched that part of the episode and it's not clear when they sent the message to. Could have been before or after her mom was pregnant. Of course if Okarin is jumping world lines he might be coming down on one that has more changes than the D-mail caused. Plays hell with cause and effect but what the hey.

[nakimushi]

I love how once Kurisu learns that the Microwave time machine only works when the big CRT TV downstairs is on, she immediately grasps how the D-mail sending works. Girl genius indeed! :)

I'm guessing Kurisu, now that she apparently understands the underlying mechanisms, is planning on using the additional equipment to increase the D-mail attachment size limitation. I don't think you could transmit someone's entire memories with the current 36 byte size restriction.

Although now that they apparently have full access to the LHC, that should give them a boost. However, the fact that someone apparently gave them access is a bit worrying, and a bit contradictory with the threatening message that Okarin got. Unless there are multiple factions in SERN, perhaps the message was sent by a completely different party.

That this episode is able to deepen the characterization of Okarin and Kurisu, advance the plot significantly and intensify the suspense at the end, just shows how good this show really is.

Not to mention the interesting reactions and comments from Moeka and Suzuha, as well as a poignant moment with Mayushii.

Plus humor and (some discreet) fan service!

[superdry]

Wow...things are getting really good.

So, the group finally figures out when and how the phone microwave really works...the TV in the shop downstairs needs to be on.

Makise figures out a way where time travel is possible - sending memories to the past. Now...Suzuha is a time traveler, gathered from the evidence so far in the series, and she has a disdain towards Makise. I think Suzuha hates her because her theory has enabled something terrible in the future (one thing is SERN controlling the world).

Suzuha mentions to Okabe that Makise works for SERN. I doubt that. I still think Moeka has something to do with it...she really intrigued by the IBN5100 and now seems to be really intrigued about the time travel method the lab has figured out. Fishy.

Who's the mysterious person sending the weird e-mails to Okabe using a bizarre e-mail address? Could it be Suzuha trying to alter the past to change the future?

Holy crap...I love it how the lab is now connected to SERN (WTF?(. Well...that solves the issue of using a larger lifter for the phone microwave. I think they will succeed in sending memories to the past.

Oh, right...and yay for some Makise fanservice in the episode. ^^;

[pathos]

Makise figures out a way where time travel is possible - sending memories to the past. Now...Suzuha is a time traveler, gathered from the evidence so far in the series, and she has a disdain towards Makise. I think Suzuha hates her because her theory has enabled something terrible in the future (one thing is SERN controlling the world).

Suzuha mentions to Okabe that Makise works for SERN. I doubt that. I still think Moeka has something to do with it...she really intrigued by the IBN5100 and now seems to be really intrigued about the time travel method the lab has figured out. Fishy.

My theory is that Moeka might actually have used the time leap stuff (sent her memories to the past), where of course we've already mostly proven that Suzuha is an actual time traveler.

Perhaps Kurisu is working for Sern now. Perhaps she'll leave the lab one day and go to work for Sern, taking what she's learned with her. Perhaps the people from the future misunderstand what really happened, and Kurisu is used as a scapegoat.

Or perhaps it's something completely different :sweat:

Oh, right...and yay for some Makise fanservice in the episode. ^^;

I was actually fond of Suzuha, and her suduction technique :P She actually has quite a nice figure

[zalder]

And for all one of us who haven't figured it out yet the part time warrior is a time traveler. And we get a little more lathe of heaven with even less idea now of what might be changing, and our first hint that someone might really BE after Okarin, that he might not be crazy after all..."much madness is divinest sense" as they say. We also get conformation that we did change sex on one character (though she is now a pedophiles dream i guess). And we get a nice little butterfly flying in the end. Ah what else have you changed now Okarin?

Just my late thoughts...that no one will ever read.

[HitokiriShadow]

Mmmmm, delicious Suzuha.

And now SERN seems to be taking action back at Okarin and his group. Maybe. But if they saw them as a threat.... why bother with a message like that? It would make no sense to warn them ahead of time, just send a hitman and get rid of them. Which makes me think it probably isn't SERN sending the messages to Okarin. At the very least, it seems highly unlikely that the person sending the message is actually out to get rid of him, but is instead trying to psychologically manipulate him.

[Fencedude]

Okarin seriously freaked when he thought Mayuri was in danger.

Interesting episode all in all. And Suzuha definitely needs to leave the jacket off from now on.

[superdry]

My theory is that Moeka might actually have used the time leap stuff (sent her memories to the past), where of course we've already mostly proven that Suzuha is an actual time traveler.

If Moeka did use the time leap stuff why would she be so interested in the IBN5100 which is something that is linked to SERN databases and has no correlation to time leaping? The story so far has not explained why she has such an interest in the IBN.


Perhaps Kurisu is working for Sern now. Perhaps she'll leave the lab one day and go to work for Sern, taking what she's learned with her. Perhaps the people from the future misunderstand what really happened, and Kurisu is used as a scapegoat.

Contracted to work for SERN after finding out the phone microwave..she definitely could have since she does not spend all her time in the lab. Scapegoat for what happens in the future, possible.


I was actually fond of Suzuha, and her suduction technique :P She actually has quite a nice figure

In the beginning of the episode, all I could think when looking at Suzuha was "DAT ASS!" haha ^^;

[pathos]

My theory is that Moeka might actually have used the time leap stuff (sent her memories to the past), where of course we've already mostly proven that Suzuha is an actual time traveler.

If Moeka did use the time leap stuff why would she be so interested in the IBN5100 which is something that is linked to SERN databases and has no correlation to time leaping? The story so far has not explained why she has such an interest in the IBN.

I'm not 100% sure I understand what you're saying here.

My thoughts - Sern is experimenting with time travel now. That is verified from Daru's hacking. Sern is using some encrypted language that only the IBN is capable of reading. If the time travellers are to be believed, Sern goes on to perfect time travel, creates a world were they are in charge, and everyone else is contralled and miserable.

Now, why would any time traveller/leaper/whatever want an IBN? Well, if they are on the "good guy" side, then I suppose they'll be trying to sabotage IBN's plans, to keep them from gaining control of everything. Or perhaps they just want to steal info for them, to help someone other than sern develop the technology, thus keeping the evil overlords from coming into power. Heck, maybe none of those are right.

If they are some separate, evil group, perhaps they are just wanting to steal the technology for themselves, so they could rise into power in place of sern.

Well, to sum up it all up, I don't any people from the future are looking to improve their technology, I think they just want to wreck sern. And, they think the ibn is the key to that.

Now, as a (possible) time leaper, Moeka wouldn't be able to lug that thing back to the future. but, perhaps she could hide it in a safe spot, so they could pick it up in the future and use it. Or, perhaps she has the knowledge on how to use it now, and she can fix everything if she can find one. Or perhaps, she'll steal their research notes, give it to someone who can understand it in the present, and let them invent time travel ahead of sern.

Or, once again, it could be something else entirely :P

[superdry]

My theory is that Moeka might actually have used the time leap stuff (sent her memories to the past), where of course we've already mostly proven that Suzuha is an actual time traveler.

If Moeka did use the time leap stuff why would she be so interested in the IBN5100 which is something that is linked to SERN databases and has no correlation to time leaping? The story so far has not explained why she has such an interest in the IBN.

I'm not 100% sure I understand what you're saying here.

My thoughts - Sern is experimenting with time travel now. That is verified from Daru's hacking. Sern is using some encrypted language that only the IBN is capable of reading. If the time travellers are to be believed, Sern goes on to perfect time travel, creates a world were they are in charge, and everyone else is contralled and miserable.

Now, why would any time traveller/leaper/whatever want an IBN? Well, if they are on the "good guy" side, then I suppose they'll be trying to sabotage IBN's plans, to keep them from gaining control of everything. Or perhaps they just want to steal info for them, to help someone other than sern develop the technology, thus keeping the evil overlords from coming into power. Heck, maybe none of those are right.


I was still operating under the assumption that Moeka could be working for SERN since the IBN5100 is one of the key links to them and she does act pretty strangely - now maybe because it's her aversion to speaking. Now, you are correct that she could be operating as a good guy time leaping in the past to get the IBN5100 to change the future.

But, you're right, who really knows what's going to happen and how each character plays out due to Okabe playing around with time travelling.

[FUNiOP]

Well I really don't know what's going to happen now. Okabe didn't actually change the past at all this time, but now he (probably) knows how to time leap, to send memories through time. There's no telling how much this will change the characters and events, but it should be interesting. Along with a lot of talk about this, we got a lot more character development, reveals, and mysteries to add to the intrigue. I really can't tell what all the truths are at this point, but I'll keep watching and hopefully it will turn out well.

[bear]

-Christina has come up with a possible method of Quantum Leaping. How hard could it be?

In a sense that seems to be what Okarin is doing already, only sideways. His memories jump to a different time line and he only remembers things from the original timeline or ones he experienced after the jump to that timeline. Like transferring memories back to an earlier self.

One other note. He's sent messages back to himself, but it looks like he never read those when they were recieved only when he checked to see if he got them. He only confirms that they were on his phone so he's never changed the actions he's done. Is that correct?

[pathos]

A thought just struck me. If Sern has been watching what Okabe's lab has been diong for the last few days, perhaps they would go out of their way to recruit Kurisu just from that.

What she's done and figured out so far with virtually no equiptment is impressive, really.

[FUNiOP]

Moeka, you bitch! Okay guys, obviously you have to figure out a way to get out of this situation, but when you do (and obviously it's going to happen), now would be a great time to put all the powers you have to use in a way that actually helps the future, instead of screwing it up. I'm not sure what those visions with Okabe and Mayuri were about, but they were definitely interesting, and undoubtedly connected to this somehow. I also don't know why time stopped before that. And Suzuha, what's with taking off right before all that? You obviously knew something. Looks like you were off about who was the SERN spy, though. Oh boy. It really gets serious here. I can hardly wait for next week. It's so cruel of them to not have next episode previews.

[bear]

WTF. That was just..... damn.

[Fencedude]

WTF was up with the time stop? That was really weird. Was Homura around?

But goddamn, just...goddamn. ;_;

Though, Moeka did look fantastic in that outfit.

[superdry]

I agree that the time leap machine is a little too risky to try out right now, but looks like Suzuha knew that announcing it to the world would lead to problems in the future (okay...she has to John Titor at this point). So, she was incorrect on the SERN spy, but knew some that SERN and Makise are connected somehow though.

Makise is the ever so cute tsundere and I love how Okabe calls her out on it. I know he cares for her, but he seems to have some fun pushing her buttons from time to time.

WTF is with the end? The dudes with the maskes - a bunch of rounders Moeka got to together? And, boy is Moeka a heartless bastard shooting Mayushii. Looks like the time leap machine might be used to try to get around the ambush.

EDIT: haha...this is my 1337 post. How appropriate for this discussion thread. ^^;

[nakimushi]

Mayushii! Nooooo!!!

If only they had some sort of way to prevent it from happening in the first place. :)

Well, joking aside, Okarin obviously just acquired the motivation to risk the time leap, that he had previously just decided was very much not worth the risk.

Unfortunately, Moeka's helpers don't appear likely to let Okarin use the time machine, although there's always the possibility that Suzuha didn't actually run away to just save herself and abandon them.

As for not having next episode previews, I am personally extremely happy that they don't have them for the CR streaming of Steins;Gate. Previews are frequently full of terrible spoilers. Often the next episode title by itself is a spoiler.

[zalder]

FRACK I hate being a week behind you people but man what an episode. A sern spy...and sern is actually watching them, and wants to help them. And we get to see oakarin actually is sane, it is an act or at least when he gets a real threat he acts like any normal person would, he is scared shitless.

Translation points
With all the discussion last time of how they translated the @chan stuff did they translate it correct here? The meme they did in the last episode made no sense and didn't fit at all with the context so I agree that just doing a note would have been better. This is a meme even in the states though....and fit with the conversation. If they could have done that with the first one, that would have been better even than a note to my mind.

[HitokiriShadow]

Oh look, someone died. What a shock. Or it would be, if someone didn't, for all intents and purposes, fucking scream "Someone dies in episode 12!!!!" I even guessed the right character before I started the episode. Fucking hell.

A great scene.... but the impact was mostly gone.

It was little surprise that Moeka was a traitor and working against them, but I still didn't expect her to to just execute the most harmless member of the group in cold blood like that. Er, well, until she walked into the room, since fucking spoilers.

[strangefour]

-MAYUSHII!!
-That's some seriously intense data compression.
-Okarin is willing to trust an independent authority? This man has been shaken to the core.
-Christina can not cook. No wonder she's so thin and frail looking.
-Sorry Christina but Heidegger was a boozy beggar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQycQ8DABvc).
-Christina vs Suzu!
Stop fighting or Mayushii will cry. :(
-Darth Mayushii. Tootooroo~
-Damn it Suzu warn them of the danger they face!
-...
-FUCK YOU MOEKA!

Conflict. Act 2 begins.

[strangefour]

WTF was up with the time stop? That was really weird. Was Homura around?

Maybe that was a side effect of Suzu leaving via time machine?

But goddamn, just...goddamn. ;_;

Though, Moeka did look fantastic in that outfit.

Moeka... She is no longer worthy of the title Shining Finger. She can never be forgiven.

[strangefour]

As for not having next episode previews, I am personally extremely happy that they don't have them for the CR streaming of Steins;Gate. Previews are frequently full of terrible spoilers. Often the next episode title by itself is a spoiler.

Oh hell yeah. Normally I don't mind previews and normally watch them as long as they aren't the horrible "Will Goku survive? Next episode: Goku Survives!" type. But this is exactly the kind of show that really would be hurt by previews and thank goodness CR doesn't have any.

[superdry]

Zalder - make sure you reply to the proper subthread (in this case episode 10) since it mucks things up for people who read the forum in threaded mode.

I've had to learn how threading works a while back since the GA subforum is probably the only place here where it really matters.

[superdry]

-Christina can not cook. No wonder she's so thin and frail looking.


She's a scientist...she can use the excuse of no time cook. Take-out or instant foods is good enough. I'm glad she tries even though she can't seem to understand why people try to stop her.

[Westlo]

Personally had no idea what was going to happen but I expected something big (been building up for a long time..) and I expected a death.. (what better motivation?) and if they went down that path the obvious candidate was always going to be Mayushii.. and it's been going down that path for awhile now.. and as soon as I saw that opening scene I thought.. fuck they are going to do it and that feeling just got stronger and stronger as the episode went on... though for a split second I thought Darth Mayushii was going to slice Okarin in half with her lightsaber. (now that would've been a twist!

Anyway god damn what an episode, was probably going to be one of my favs so far not counting the last 5 minutes... I watched 7-11 in one sitting last week and that jumped this up to the #1 spot of the season for me, episode 12 cemented it.

And Suzuha, what's with taking off right before all that? You obviously knew something. Looks like you were off about who was the SERN spy, though.

Well if she had stayed she would've been executed along with Mayushii for not being an important part of the time leap machine. As far as SERN/Moeka are concerned Mayushii was expendable trash and Suzuha would've been the same.

As for being wrong on who was the SERN spy, well yes she was wrong but from the future she came from I'm sure Kurisu is a well known part of SERN or scapegoat of SERNs or something. So when she sees her in that lab group it's like 1+1 to her that she was the spy for SERN.

At the end of the episode we see Okarin, Daru and Kurisu were going to be taken in by SERN and we all know that Kurisu is the real brains behind the time leap machine. So I'm guessing Okarin and Daru (might have kept him for his hacking skills...) were quickly flushed down the drain while Kurisu was forced into turning SERN into the time traveling world force they are in Suzuha's future.

Now what didn't happen the first time was a "part time soldier" from the future wasn't around... so it will be interesting to see what happens, the rescue attempt must come quickly...

[bear]

Now what didn't happen the first time was a "part time soldier" from the future wasn't around... so it will be interesting to see what happens, the rescue attempt must come quickly...

If they're going to save her by using a time leap they've only got 48 hrs don't they?

As far as Kurisu being a part of SERN, she may have no choice since they will probably threaten to kill Orkarin and Daru if she doesn't. Maybe her old man is running the place? They spent a lot of time with the whole estrangement thing.

[Westlo]

[QUOTE=Westlo;1946582]If they're going to save her by using a time leap they've only got 48 hrs don't they?

That's right, I'm guessing the first thing he would do is try and make Mayushii not be their.. but what if SERN follows? What if Suzuha snaps and kills Kurisu without Mayushii being there?

As far as Kurisu being a part of SERN, she may have no choice since they will probably threaten to kill Orkarin and Daru if she doesn't. Maybe her old man is running the place? They spent a lot of time with the whole estrangement thing.

I'm sure they'll use the lives as the others as chips to force cooperation but when they realize how useless Okarin is (unless they find out about his Reading Steiner) they'll probably kill him, doesn't mean they have to tell Kurisu that though..

And yeah from the outside Kurisu is probably this monster who allowed SERNs rise to power in the far future, who would have knowledge of what really happened?

As for her old man, wouldn't surprise me one bit, been foreshadowed a lot, wasn't their means of debating primarily done via email when Kurisu was at school?

[pathos]

Wow, just umm, wow. No matter how much I sort of expected Mayushi to be killed, it still kind of suprised me anyway.

If they're going to save her by using a time leap they've only got 48 hrs don't they?

That's right, I'm guessing the first thing he would do is try and make Mayushii not be their.. but what if SERN follows? What if Suzuha snaps and kills Kurisu without Mayushii being there?

Well, it's not like I've been right with any other things I've predicted/or worked out on my own. But, if I had to guess, I'd say Suzuha might have gone back for weapons, or just to get out of immediate danger. She comes back with an ambush fairly quickly, frees them, and Okarin uses the time leap to go back 2 days.

As far as Kurisu being a part of SERN, she may have no choice since they will probably threaten to kill Orkarin and Daru if she doesn't. Maybe her old man is running the place? They spent a lot of time with the whole estrangement thing.

I'm sure they'll use the lives as the others as chips to force cooperation but when they realize how useless Okarin is (unless they find out about his Reading Steiner) they'll probably kill him, doesn't mean they have to tell Kurisu that though..

And yeah from the outside Kurisu is probably this monster who allowed SERNs rise to power in the far future, who would have knowledge of what really happened?

As for her old man, wouldn't surprise me one bit, been foreshadowed a lot, wasn't their means of debating primarily done via email when Kurisu was at school?

Depending on how long Sern has been spying on them, they could be aware of his reading steiner already. Which would make him a quite valuable lab rat.

And I don't know, perhaps Daru actually being able to hack into their database in the first place gives him value to them.

The only thing I can think is that they had a reason for wanting those 3, and not wanting Mayushi, was that they had been monitoring them for days, at least, and knew what they wanted and didn't want from that.

On another note, I'm think that they probably invaded the lab specifically at this time because Okarin decided to go public with the invention.

To stave off that butcher squad showing up, at least in the short term, would be to not announce that.

[sickVisionz]

Good episode. The show had gotten kinda silly and light hearted so I didn't expect anyone to die, but for some reason I wasn't surprised when it happened. It's time travel so it can always be fixed I guess, although part of me would love it if this character stayed dead (I don't have anything against the person, I just think death should be permanent in any medium) and everyone had to live with that as the consequences of their actions.

I don't know if speculation has to be spoiler tagged but..
My ultimate time travel fantasy ending would be more death and Kurisu time leaps back to fix things and the series ends with her being killed in episode 1.

She's the odd man out in Okarin's group. The death of anyone other than her would have a real deal emotional impact on everyone but if she dies back in episode 1, nobody knew her. Once Okarin got over the shock of seeing a dead body things would be business as usual for everyone with the only exception being that they probably wouldn't be on the cusp of mastering time travel, which would keep everyone safe from SERN.

[FUNiOP]

I don't even know what to think about all this. Okabe manages to get to the new invention and it works, but SERN comes after him and Moeka manages to do exactly what she did before in a completely different way. Then he manages to get away again to leap back again, but even though he manages to avoid SERN other than a short glimpse, the same reason for him having to leap back to the past happens yet again, even though this had nothing to do with Moeka. At least with no real conflict in his way this time, of course he'll be able to leap back and try again, but at this point he may be thinking the same thing I am, which is that, for some reason, no matter what he does, it seems like Mayuri is destined to die on that day at 10:00 PM.

[nakimushi]

Gah! That last one was the worst because it was so obvious something like that would happen. There was no good reason to be standing so close to the tracks, especially when Okarin knew people were out to get them. Talk about a completely vulnerable position. You would think that he would standing with their backs against one of the pillars, scanning the crowd until the train pulled in.

I certainly hope it is just a matter of finding the right combination and he isn't struggling against the inevitable.

[bear]

Gah! That last one was the worst because it was so obvious something like that would happen. There was no good reason to be standing so close to the tracks, especially when Okarin knew people were out to get them. Talk about a completely vulnerable position. You would think that he would standing with their backs against one of the pillars, scanning the crowd until the train pulled in.

I certainly hope it is just a matter of finding the right combination and he isn't struggling against the inevitable.
Two things come to mind.

One is that they're after him and not Mayuri so why is he getting anywhere near her? Being near him is a death sentence.

Two: He knows Sazuka is combat capable and took on Moeka/SERN. If he starts thinking clearly he can enlist her help. In fact when he ran past her all he would have to do is shout "SERN come with me!" and she'd know what's going on.

Otherwise, that was a really heavy episode.

[Sly05]

One is that they're after him and not Mayuri so why is he getting anywhere near her? Being near him is a death sentence.

Two: He knows Sazuka is combat capable and took on Moeka/SERN. If he starts thinking clearly he can enlist her help. In fact when he ran past her all he would have to do is shout "SERN come with me!" and she'd know what's going on.

That did bother me as well. Given that Sazuka provided him with a chance to escape in the first place and has mentioned to be wary of SERN on several occasions, she should have been the first person he went to. He should have also told Kurisu and Daru more about what was going on. Moeka was just as interested in them as she was him, so giving them some hint that they might be in danger would have made sense.

[superdry]

Wow. Just wow. That was a pretty crazy episode. I wonder how many different ways we are going to see the same events unfold. So not fair to them. At least now we know Makise's theory and modifications work.


Two: He knows Sazuka is combat capable and took on Moeka/SERN. If he starts thinking clearly he can enlist her help. In fact when he ran past her all he would have to do is shout "SERN come with me!" and she'd know what's going on.

That did bother me as well. Given that Sazuka provided him with a chance to escape in the first place and has mentioned to be wary of SERN on several occasions, she should have been the first person he went to. He should have also told Kurisu and Daru more about what was going on. Moeka was just as interested in them as she was him, so giving them some hint that they might be in danger would have made sense.

I would say that he was trying to change the future by changing the events that lead up to Mayuri's death. By cancelling the party he avoids the SERN ambush or so he thinks. Unfortunately, what happens is that she dies everytime so far. It seems that she is fated to die in this world line no matter what. I think for Okabe to save Mayuri he has to jump world lines or else repeating the events over again, I think is going to drive him insane.

[strangefour]

-MOEKA!
-A little fucking late there Suzuha! But thanks.
-Mayushii makes such a cute little hostage.
-Chtristina is fast on the uptake.
-Somebody pick up their god damn phone!
-You could atleast say, "stay away from the lab and DON'T FUCKING TRUST MOEKA" there Okarin.
-Mayushii. Just seeing her again makes me so happy I.. :cry:
-Oh right the bomb threat. Damn it Okarin, why did we forget about that.
FUUUUCK!
-MOEKA! AGAIN! You... aah... GRAAAAAH!
-Going back again so soon. Oh crap. This is becoming a recursive loop.
-Calm is good. Think this through this time Okarin. Focus on Mayushii above all else.
-Mayushii's wtach stopped again... FUCK FUCK RUN GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE!
-FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUCK!!!
-Damn it Okarijn send youself a dmail to stop all this time trabel nonsense! But I guess that would end the show right now...
-Oh shit... the clock started ticking backwards.

I haven't yelled at what I was watching so much in one episode in a while. Only this time it was a good thing. Moeka wanting to off Mayushii, Okarin desperately trying to save her, the space time continuum seeming to keep warping toward Mayushii's demise. Saying all that sounds like a hackneyed ancient scifi short story premise, but the animation manages to keep us emotionally invested and in fact sucks you in even more emotionally.

You could accuse this of decompressed story telling. But it's slow building concepts and character relationships into an emotional snowball to go along with mad science. I can't really think of a show that's had a pacing like this. Slow but meaningfully so.

[Fencedude]

Okarin has become a HomuHomu.

All joking aside, goddamn the universe hates Mayuri.

But Okarin's being an idiot, he has plenty of time to tell Kurisu and Daru, arrange a counter-ambush with Suzuha, and tell Mayuri to stay the fuck at the shrine while Ruka erects a shinto barrier (I'm sure she can do that!)

[bear]

I think for Okabe to save Mayuri he has to jump world lines or else repeating the events over again, I think is going to drive him insane.
Hmmm, driving a mad scientist insane..... Wonder what that would be like?;)

On another point, I wonder if the mad scientist persona came about because of Mayui's reaction to her grandmother's death? He took her "hostage" because he was afraid that she was dying from losing her grandmother. He seems to have a fanatical affection and feelings of responsibility for her. What started out as play acting may have morphed into his present persona, all to keep from losing her. That may also explain why he keeps running to her.