Video Game Draft 2011: Round 8 Voting [Archive]

Suwako Moriya

04-10-2011, 09:34 PM

Played The Game
Princess Rei (SaGa Frontier)
Reina Charlotte Tycoon (Final Fantasy V)

You know this list would be longer if I'd actually make more progress in the backlog and get around to games like Mana Khemia 2. Also, would help if the PS3 version of Vesperia came out here and I still need to wait for Graces F.

Other Means
Einst Alfimi (Super Robot Wars Original Generations)

In this case the anime, but I still need to finish it and I haven't been in the mood for some reason.

Votes
Princess Rei (SaGa Frontier)
Reina Charlotte Tycoon (Final Fantasy V)
??????

Reina is my second favorite of the FFV girls. Favorite is obviously Krile. Also she's a Light Warrior and changes her clothes with her job classes. So there.

Princess Rei is primary reason Asellus' quest is my favorite in the game. Mystics are awesome. Sure, they're not Espers, but....

I have no idea what to do for the third vote. I'm more familiar with Alfimi, but then again I might want to finish the anime first. If get motivated in time to finish before voting closes.

I could also follow the rule of vote Tales, but then I have to decide between Judith and Pascal. With both being clearly female. So, no passing merely because of the male factor.

Draneor

04-10-2011, 09:49 PM

My vote goes to Lenna/Reina, my favorite character in FFV. Especially in her ninja or magical knight outfit.

EmperorBrandon

04-10-2011, 09:55 PM

My vote goes to Lenna/Reina, my favorite character in FFV. Especially in her ninja or magical knight outfit.

She really does have some of the best outfits for many of the jobs. :beatingheart:

Suwako Moriya

04-10-2011, 10:19 PM

My vote goes to Lenna/Reina, my favorite character in FFV. Especially in her ninja or magical knight outfit.

She really does have some of the best outfits for many of the jobs. :beatingheart:

That reminds me, I still need to do a "Crystal Based" Job Class theme for Final Fantasy V like I did with Final Fantasy III.

Except in the case of FFV, they actually make it clear which crystal to associate each of them with and thus making the decision a bit easier.

Draneor

04-10-2011, 10:25 PM

That reminds me, I still need to do a "Crystal Based" Job Class theme for Final Fantasy V like I did with Final Fantasy III.

Crystal based Job class theme?

Serial Experiments Nobue

04-10-2011, 10:25 PM

Alas, in this round, there are only two votes I can cast, as I only know two of these characters.

Fuuka. Instavote if ever there was one. She's far and away my favorite girl from P3 (only Chihiro even comes close). Maybe it's the blue hair. Maybe it's her smarts. Maybe it's because she's shy. Maybe it's because she's all short and cute. Or all of the above and more. Whatever the reason, Fuuka is :beatingheart:.

Yukari receives my second vote. She can be a bit... touchy... at times, to use the polite term. But she's got great fashion sense. The way she abuses Stupei, err Junpei is amusing too.

something

04-10-2011, 10:27 PM

Have played the game:
Little Mac (Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!)
Have seen the anime:
Einst Alfimi (Super Robot Wars Original Generations)

I've played FFV, but not fully, and so long ago I don't remember anything.

Votes:
Einst Alfimi (Super Robot Wars Original Generations)
Liliane Vehlendorf (Mana Khemia 2)
Pascal (Tales of Graces F)

1) I was trying not to vote for characters I only know from anime, but I fucking love Alfimi too much. <3 Besides, voting for a character based on a 60 second perusal of fanart isn't exactly more legitimate than basing it on the anime, and that's where half my votes are coming from. =P
2) There's not a lot of art of Liliane, but I do like what I see. Another blond gets me, I guess.
3) Third was pretty hard. Nobody immediately jumped out at me but Pascal seemed pretty hot. Though glancing at other Tales of Graces stuff, Sophie looks like she would have been a much more definite vote if drafted.

I almost voted for Takeba Yukari based on the draft board thumb - I mistook her for P3 Female Protagonist at first, and god, I don't know why but I've always loooooooved Female Protagonist just based on fanart. I was thinking maybe she'd gotten a name and that was it, but apparently not.

TnAdct1

04-10-2011, 10:43 PM

My vote goes to Lenna/Reina, my favorite character in FFV. Especially in her ninja or magical knight outfit.
Don't forget her dragoon and dancer outfits. :nosebleed:

Along with her, I also went with Little Mac (insert YTMND joke here) and Fuuka (Noto-san!!!).

ape2020

04-10-2011, 10:47 PM

Well I guess I finally going to bow out of voting. As I don't know anyone in this round. It was getting pretty bad in round 6 and 7 that I only voted twice. Well good luck with the rest of the draft and all the teams competing.

-ape2020

Suwako Moriya

04-10-2011, 10:59 PM

That reminds me, I still need to do a "Crystal Based" Job Class theme for Final Fantasy V like I did with Final Fantasy III.

Crystal based Job class theme?

I can see why that would be confusing. Perhaps I should use a different name. In any case, it's essentially one of those themes where you "restrict" what Job classes the character can use.

In this case, you relegate a crystal to each of the characters. Ie only X is allowed to use "Fire Crystal" jobs. That's more or less the basic idea of it.

Of course, the problem is you don't get every job at once. So when doing it in FFIII, I allowed for "borrowing" until a said character got his or her crystal.

I'm sort of a fan of doing restrictions and such in Job Class games. In part because it's more fun that way and it allows me to create my own set of differences.

Draneor

04-10-2011, 11:11 PM

I can see why that would be confusing. Perhaps I should use a different name. In any case, it's essentially one of those themes where you "restrict" what Job classes the character can use.

In this case, you relegate a crystal to each of the characters.

Ah, so like you could use the element they are tied with (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Gladiator_%28Final_Fantasy_V%29). Lenna, for example, is water.

I've never done a fan challenge. Mainly because I have enough trouble finishing RPGs as it is. And yes, FFV is another one where I've played it multiple time, but never beat x-death because I had not yet maxed out every job.

Fencedude

04-10-2011, 11:26 PM

2) There's not a lot of art of Liliane, but I do like what I see. Another blond gets me, I guess.

Man, you really need to play GUST games. You'd love them so much.

Draneor

04-10-2011, 11:27 PM

Man, you really need to play GUST games. You'd love them so much.

Does anyone make videos of the story parts of Gust games, like they do for visual novels? Maybe he'd watch them.

Fencedude

04-10-2011, 11:32 PM

something

04-10-2011, 11:39 PM

Man, you really need to play GUST games. You'd love them so much.
Does anyone make videos of the story parts of Gust games, like they do for visual novels? Maybe he'd watch them.
something's mentioned that he watches Let's Plays, but I don't know if anyone's done any for GUST RPGs.
If nothing else, he really should watch an Ar tonelico II Let's Play, if it exists.
Heh, I have to imagine a long RPG would be pretty tedious as an LP though. I think most people just do text/screenshot LPs for those. Well, aside from the youtube LPer types who do, like, 150-video long FF7 LPs. :sd: Which gets back to the tedious part...

I blame Japan for not making good RPG anime adaptations, like I was discussing with Hitokiri in an earlier round.

Draneor

04-10-2011, 11:42 PM

something's mentioned that he watches Let's Plays, but I don't know if anyone's done any for GUST RPGs.

I found one for MK I and II. The first appears to be the dubbed one, so I assume it's a no deal (unless for whatever reason he likes dubbed video games). On the other hand, at least some of the videos I found for MK II were in Japanese. Ah and there appear to be some AT II ones too ( TheSkeithMaster's channel).

That reminds me. I need to finish MKII too.^^;

Fencedude

04-10-2011, 11:44 PM

If I had the time, knowledge and inclination (which I don't, on all counts) I'd totally do a Jacqli Route AT2 Let's Play.

Draneor

04-10-2011, 11:47 PM

I blame Japan for not making good RPG anime adaptations, like I was discussing with Hitokiri in an earlier round.

Really, I don't want anime adaptations. Disgaea had a great story and the anime adaptation was just meh. There's really no reason it couldn't have been adapted well, but they didn't want to treat it seriously. So I'd rather not suffer through seeing Disgaea 2 or Ar Tonelico being adapted (even if I think they have a touching story).

The only exceptions are certain ero-VRPGs.

The thing with Gust RPGs, though, is they are hybrids. I wouldn't call them visual novels, but there's definitely some inspiration in the story mechanics.

Fencedude

04-10-2011, 11:54 PM

The thing with Gust RPGs, though, is they are hybrids. I wouldn't call them visual novels, but there's definitely some inspiration in the story mechanics.

Well, the Cosmospheres are blatantly set up as visual novels. And the Binary Field stories even more so.

I think the Ar tonelico games could be done as 2 cour TV series, one for each game.

Of course, we'd have to suffer through Aurica being given a ton of focus in the first one.

Draneor

04-11-2011, 12:05 AM

I think the Ar tonelico games could be done as 2 cour TV series, one for each game.

The only way I'd accept an anime adaptions is if KyoAni was doing it because I'd trust them to do it faithfully. And that's not going to happen. At this point, I'd say they've outgrown game adaptations all together. Instead, we'd get someone like Trans Arts.

Of course, we'd have to suffer through Aurica being given a ton of focus in the first one.

There's only one character I'd have to personally suffer through (since, as you know, I like Aurica)--and unfortunately there's no getting around that fact because he has to be there.

Fencedude

04-11-2011, 12:18 AM

There's only one character I'd have to personally suffer through (since, as you know, I like Aurica)--and unfortunately there's no getting around that fact because he has to be there.

Yeah, well, I wasn't counting Lyner, since as you said, he's unavoidable.

Worst part about Aurica is that she's the one main Reyvateil with absolutely no actual connection to...anything. She's just a random, crappy, whiny 3rd Gen who happened to run into Lyner after he crash landed.

Nork22

04-11-2011, 01:49 AM

1) Atashi? Pacal! Yorushiku!
2) Judith
3) Yukari Takeba/Yuka-tan!

Suwako Moriya

04-11-2011, 02:07 AM

Heh, I have to imagine a long RPG would be pretty tedious as an LP though. I think most people just do text/screenshot LPs for those. Well, aside from the youtube LPer types who do, like, 150-video long FF7 LPs. :sd: Which gets back to the tedious part...

I've noticed some people like to use the strategy of editing out certain things. Such as editing out random battles unless they're showing off a new enemy. Or doing things like editing out leaving the dungeon. So on and so forth.

There are ways to keep it from being as high as 150. Although if your video are options are limited, you find trying to edit out the random battles just results in the sound becoming messed up and you decide it's not worth dealing with.

One thing I have heard is that according to some it's only an LP if the person is actually commenting on the game. I've actually thought of trying to LP myself, but aside from the fact I don't feel like dealing with the splicing involved, I don't speak clearly. So I'd be stuck with normal playing.

Even as one that does play games (and sometimes completes them), I've actually watched some LPs like one of Dragon Quest 3 for example. Yeah, go figure on that one. Seems like there's a few of those.

Getting back to the subject of Gust. Gust makes Atelier and Atelier games are awesome. There's a reason I went ahead and voted for multiple characters from the series so far. Even if I might end up skipping one due to the Tales conflict....

On a side note the constant negative talk about Aurica tells me that I should really hurry up and play more of the game to form more of an opinion on her that I have right now. My only current opinion is "I'd rather spend time with Misha".

Draneor

04-11-2011, 06:23 AM

One thing I have heard is that according to some it's only an LP if the person is actually commenting on the game.

For me, at least, hearing someone comment would kind of destroy the point. Assuming you're playing it to experience the story.

On a side note the constant negative talk about Aurica tells me that I should really hurry up and play more of the game to form more of an opinion on her that I have right now. My only current opinion is "I'd rather spend time with Misha".

Aurica, like Nagisa, has a very vocal anti-faction. But there are many people that like her too. Personally, I think she's cute, has a cute hair accessory, is kind, sucks at cooking, uh... I also pity her.

Also, it's not an question of whether or not I prefer Misha. I'll take a Nogawa-voiced osananajimi over any other character any day of the week. But liking one Reyvateil doesn't mean you can't also like the others.

Fencedude

04-11-2011, 06:30 AM

But liking one Reyvateil doesn't mean you can't also like the others.

Of course not!

I like Misha, Shurelia, Cloche, Luca, Jacqli, Finnel, Tyria, and even, god help me, Saki.

I just truly loathe Aurica.

something

04-11-2011, 08:24 AM

One thing I have heard is that according to some it's only an LP if the person is actually commenting on the game.For me, at least, hearing someone comment would kind of destroy the point.
But it's the entire point, actually... I mean, sure, someone could simply record themselves playing a game and put it on the internet, and that's fine, and people do it, but it's not really what an LP is. Which is why I probably wouldn't choose an LP as a way to experience a long, text-heavy RPG. It wouldn't let me really get into the story, for which just playing it myself would be superior, and which I'd enjoy a lot more because I could make all my own choices.

I don't necessarily watch LPs as a substitute for playing the game, really (although there's an element of that sometimes), I watch it to be entertained. Which is why it's so hard to find good ones, seeing as how most people who put videos on the internet are not entertaining at all, and the least entertaining ones seem to upload the most. :sd: I guess it's kind of like how people will watch movies with a Rifftrax (or whatever its called) commentary track that they wouldn't have watched otherwise. Not that LP commentary necessarily has to "riff on" the game, of course, they can be informative or funny or both. They best ones are from people who are naturally funny, ideally in groups, have video editing skills (seriously important, I don't want to watch someone manage their inventory for 20 minutes, argh), and are also very knowledgeable about all the tricks and easter eggs in a game. Though the pain of a blind run can be amusing sometimes too. It's really better suited to action games than RPGs I feel.

Suwako Moriya

04-11-2011, 09:10 AM

Though the pain of a blind run can be amusing sometimes too. It's really better suited to action games than RPGs I feel.

Funny thing is most of the LPs I've watched have been of RPGs. Although in some cases, rather than watch the whole thing, I just watched select episodes to see comments on certain events.

It's sort of a mixed bag. The "talking" can get in the way of things sometimes. Yet sometimes it adds a level of perspective. It just depends on the person in question.

The talk of blind runs reminds me of the following. At first "I beat the entire game using the normal attack with no upgrades" sounds impressive at first, but after awhile it gets boring.

ln some games, I find "only using the normal attack" kind of goes against the nature of some characters. It's like with Portrait of Ruin. If you have Charlotte do no, but attack normally with her book, then it feels like you missed the point of using her. Which is to cast spells.

Draneor

04-11-2011, 09:45 AM

But it's the entire point, actually... [...]

I don't necessarily watch LPs as a substitute for playing the game, really (although there's an element of that sometimes), I watch it to be entertained.

I'm not very familiar with the phenomenon so I assumed that, like the NicoNico videos, it was just for people too lazy/too cheap to play the game. As far as RPGs go, random battles are tedious not to mention other grinds. So I could understand a desire to cut those out and just watch the good parts.

Now I know it's more similar to dub commentary. I may not understand the appeal of those either, but at least I understand the principle.

HitokiriShadow

04-11-2011, 10:29 AM

Characters from Games I've Played
Fuuka Yamagishi (Persona 3)
Liliane Vehlendorf (Mana Khemia 2)
Yukari Takeba (Persona 3)
Princess Rei (Saga Frontier)
Reina Charlotte Tycoon (Final Fantasy 5)
Sora (Kingdom Hearts)

Characters I Particularly Like
Fuuka Yamagishi (Persona 3)
Liliane Vehlendorf (Mana Khemia 2)
Reina Charlotte Tycoon (Final Fantasy 5)
Pascal (Tales of Graces F)
Einst Alfimi (Super Robot Wars Original Generations)

Votes
Liliane Vehlendorf (Mana Khemia 2)
Pascal (Tales of Graces F)
Einst Alfimi (Super Robot Wars Original Generations)

Lili is my character, so that was my first vote. That 10-15 second montage of Pascal scenes was hilarious and awesome and I know I'll love her when I play the game, so that's vote number 2 despite not having played the game yet. I really liked Fuuka from the little bit of the game I played after she joined my party, but I looooove Alfimi but already voted for one character from a game I haven't played in this round. .... Well, I like Alfimi a lot more, so I guess it will be her.

HitokiriShadow

04-11-2011, 10:36 AM

Votes:
Einst Alfimi (Super Robot Wars Original Generations)
Liliane Vehlendorf (Mana Khemia 2)
Pascal (Tales of Graces F)

Heh, exact same votes as me. I think that's the first time its happened in the VG draft.

3) Third was pretty hard. Nobody immediately jumped out at me but Pascal seemed pretty hot. Though glancing at other Tales of Graces stuff, Sophie looks like she would have been a much more definite vote if drafted.
Watch the first ~15 seconds of this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnOca04YUyc) That was what I based my vote for her on.

HitokiriShadow

04-11-2011, 10:42 AM

Heh, I have to imagine a long RPG would be pretty tedious as an LP though. I think most people just do text/screenshot LPs for those. Well, aside from the youtube LPer types who do, like, 150-video long FF7 LPs. :sd: Which gets back to the tedious part...

For RPGs, they should really just skip 99% of the battles. Do a few random battles just so viewers can see what the battles are like along with boss battles, maybe include the dungeon crawling depending on whether it seems like being familiar with the locations matters but skip all or most of it if it doesn't. Then most RPG LivePlays would "only" be about 10-15 hours. Edit: Oh, LivePlays aren't quite what I thought they were. Er, in any case, it would be nice if someone made videos like that of the games for people who don't want to play the games, but, uh, its sure as hell not going to be me, for the same reasons Fencedude mentioned.

Also, just reading through screenshots would not do Ar Tonelico II justice, because music is sooooooo important to that game. Not to mention you'd be missing out on the voiced dialogue, assuming the LP is using the Japanese audio. Same thing for Mana Khemia 2 (and you'd love Lili), though you could get away with it a lot easier than AT2.

HitokiriShadow

04-11-2011, 10:44 AM

There's only one character I'd have to personally suffer through (since, as you know, I like Aurica)--and unfortunately there's no getting around that fact because he has to be there.

Yeah, well, I wasn't counting Lyner, since as you said, he's unavoidable.

And if they slightly changed just two or three scenes, he'd be perfectly fine. Aurica would require a complete character overhaul, which wouldn't happen for obvious reasons.

Classical

04-11-2011, 10:56 PM

Played the game:

Fuuka
Yukari
Reina
Little Mac
Mai
Lezard Valeth (once again, I'm using Valkyrie Profile 2 as my basis for consideration of voting)

Never played the game, but saw some videos:
Pascal
Judith

This round is evil ;_;. Anyway, Fuuka gets my first vote because most importantly, she's totally moe. She's also my draft character. Lezard Valeth gets my second vote as he's totally kickass awesome. He's easily one of my most favorite characters. Last vote goes to Yukari Takeba as I really like her, and she's hot. Apologies go to Mai, as she's really hot, but I ran out of votes. Same thing goes for Pascal and Judith. Pascal is totally awesome and if I had an extra vote I'd vote for her in a heartbeat even though I've never played Graces. Judith is really sexy, and I'd vote for her too if I had a fifth vote.

Westlo

04-12-2011, 04:39 AM

Yuka-tan gets my first vote, second goes to Mai, I couldn't believe SNK made KOFXII without you... and the last vote goes to Lezard because he's just too fucking awesome.

Sorry Fuuka! Only got her to her 4th Rank in her SL in P3P atm!

Suwako Moriya

04-12-2011, 08:46 AM

3) Third was pretty hard. Nobody immediately jumped out at me but Pascal seemed pretty hot. Though glancing at other Tales of Graces stuff, Sophie looks like she would have been a much more definite vote if drafted.
Watch the first ~15 seconds of this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnOca04YUyc) That was what I based my vote for her on.

It's partially because of that video that voting for Pascal is so tempting and what I'm currently leaning toward. Although in my case, I'll note that I actually watched the whole thing.

Fencedude

04-12-2011, 08:49 AM

Watch the first ~15 seconds of this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnOca04YUyc) That was what I based my vote for her on.

This never, ever stops being funny.

Edit: This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVQdELKXitE) is also worthy of consideration.

Jimmie M

04-12-2011, 08:11 PM

Only 2 votes for me here in Round 8:

Manny Calavera (Grim Fandango)
Sora (Kingdom Hearts)

ilmaestro

04-13-2011, 08:40 PM

Let's see...

1) Jeanne.
2) Mai.
3) ... oh, wrong Morrigan ^^; So I went with Shiki.

cress2000

04-13-2011, 09:16 PM

1) Lezard Valeth
2) Judith
...I would have picked your maid sidekick, Lilianne.

So, since I have no real number 3 to pick, Jeanne gets the character design vote. Very yes for badass knight chicks.

Senku

04-14-2011, 09:13 AM

Potential Votes
Fuuka Yamagishi
Yukari Takeba
Pascal
Lezard Valeth
Jeanne d'Arc
Manny Calavera

Pascal is my pick, plus - DREAM FANDOM! I liked Fuuka way more then I thought I would, and vastly more then Yukari. And the third vote goes to the man with self help books, such as "They bought the farm, now sell them the cows". :sdsmiley:

Votes
Pascal
Fuuka
Manny Calavera

That went smoother then other rounds.

Suwako Moriya

04-17-2011, 08:20 AM

Votes
Princess Rei (SaGa Frontier)
Reina Charlotte Tycoon (Final Fantasy V)
Pascal

I voted for Pascal on the basis of feeling that it was a matter of destiny. Make of that what you will.

Buckeye

04-17-2011, 03:55 PM

I finally made my votes and this round. I only played Kingdom Hearts and Punch Out, so Sora and Little Mac get votes by default. Although I never played FFV, Reina is still a FF character in a weak round for me, so that's how I voted this round.

Merliwolf

04-17-2011, 08:43 PM

First Pass:
Fuuka Yamagishi (Persona 3)
Shiki Misaki (The World Ends With You)
Yukari Takeba (Persona 3)

Yeesh, a number of characters I have no interest in voting in, also I would likely have voted for Reina if I had played enough FFV. Sadly my play count was only like 5 hours and I don't remember anything.
Yukari is an autovote for me, Persona 3 + Love = win. Shiki was pretty damn cute in TWEY. Fuuka's kind of a least bad for me, not really one of my favs, but there's not many other choices. And I ain't voting for little mac :p

dunno001

04-17-2011, 09:41 PM

*looks at poll results* I didn't do the check for nulled votes, but if there aren't any, then this is tie-central! That's a lot of tied characters...

Fencedude

04-17-2011, 10:08 PM

Argh! I forgot to vote!

Suwako! Please add votes for Lilliane Velendorf, Judith and Alfimi!

Suwako Moriya

04-18-2011, 03:18 AM

Special Note: As requested I am adding extra votes for the three characters that Fencedude has mentioned. I figure I'd be nice and it wouldn't be the first time I allowed an adjustment.

In any case, the usual stuff about how ties are handled applies. Now then I need to start counting the votes for this round. I'll get around to adding up the total later either in an edit or as a reply.

Round 8 Scores

JackC: 16 Points

Classical: 15 Points

TnAdct1: 15 Points

Spirit of the Stage: 15 Points

Jaynin: 12 Points

Jimmie M: 12 Points

Betenoire: 12 Points

Senku: 9 Points

ilmaestro: 9 Points

Fencedude: 7 Points

Nork22: 7 Points

Hitokirishadow: 5 Points

Goku94567: 5 Points

Nosredna: 5 Points

EmperorBrandon: 5 Points

Suwako Moriya: 1 Point

All right that should hopefully be accurate. Like I said, I'll get to totals later.

Nosredna

04-18-2011, 06:45 AM

Congrats JackC! Looks like I have another game to check out based on the popularity of its characters.

Thanks to everyone who voted for Shiki!

Suwako Moriya

04-18-2011, 07:16 AM

Congrats JackC! Looks like I have another game to check out based on the popularity of its characters.

Persona in general seems to be strong. Well, at least Persona 3 and 4 anyway. I have to admit the design of some of the girls makes them somewhat tempting to try out one of these days. In spite of the various hesitations I have.

Actually this whole draft is making me wish I had gotten around to certain games and made progress in them. It's one thing to be like "I have not gotten around to Persona 3" because well, it's not like my first experience (Persona 1) convinced me to get into the series.

Yet to not have even started on Mana Khemia 2, Final Fantasy 13 (Which I don't have), Star Ocean: The Last Hope, etc. That's just, it's just pathetic of me. Note these are just random example games chosen across the board.

And sadly not everyone is going to be like Pascal, where it doesn't take much information for me to be able to tell that I'll love her a lot.