Legends of Galactic Heroes needs YOU!

At the LoGH panel at AX it was said that the $2000 price on the site was to reflect the R2 cost, not the R1. It was also said that the R1 price would be cheaper and more in-line with current R1 pricing.

[ObiKenobi]

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Algernon said:

At the LoGH panel at AX it was said that the $2000 price on the site was to reflect the R2 cost, not the R1. It was also said that the R1 price would be cheaper and more in-line with current R1 pricing.



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Okay thanks, cause the info on that site was a bit misleading...

[Caesar]

Do you think we'll get an update on the status? Is this our minor glimpse into the licensing nighmare that the American companies go through? I thought they were going to update the site with better pricing info. My short attention span demands answers now, but I bet they're banking on my short attention span not caring 20 minutes from now.

[rainking187]

Is there a website about ordering this series other than the form page? Also, is there any romance in the series?

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rainking187 said:

Is there a website about ordering this series other than the form page?

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Nope. That's it so far.

[rainking187]

Which company would be releasing this in the US, if they ever do?

[Milliardo]

WrightStaff said they would release it themselves or merge w/ an R1 company to release it!

[iserlohn]

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rainking187 said:Also, is there any romance in the series?

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There's a couple hints of it in season one, but nothing really develops until late season two...and then there's a couple of new relationships popping up in seasons three and four.

[FigNewton]

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Milliardo_Peacecraft said:
WrightStaff said they would release it themselves or merge w/ an R1 company to release it!

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I hope they don't release it under the label "Wright Staff"... that's just asking for problems with Right Stuf.

[Milliardo]

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FigNewton said:
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Milliardo_Peacecraft said:
WrightStaff said they would release it themselves or merge w/ an R1 company to release it!

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I hope they don't release it under the label "Wright Staff"... that's just asking for problems with Right Stuf.

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LOL, but they could merge with TRSI and pretty much have the same name.

[Donovan]

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Milliardo_Peacecraft said:
WrightStaff said they would release it themselves or merge w/ an R1 company to release it!

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AHA! THEY bought Manga!

[Wakaba]

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Milliardo_Peacecraft said:
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FigNewton said:
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Milliardo_Peacecraft said:
WrightStaff said they would release it themselves or merge w/ an R1 company to release it!

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I hope they don't release it under the label "Wright Staff"... that's just asking for problems with Right Stuf.

[/ QUOTE ]

LOL, but they could merge with TRSI and pretty much have the same name.

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That'd be cool for a merger with TRSI, but I thought they said that they would work with, not merge, with an R1 company.

[Caesar]

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Wakaba said:
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Milliardo_Peacecraft said:
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FigNewton said:
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Milliardo_Peacecraft said:
WrightStaff said they would release it themselves or merge w/ an R1 company to release it!

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I hope they don't release it under the label "Wright Staff"... that's just asking for problems with Right Stuf.

[/ QUOTE ]

LOL, but they could merge with TRSI and pretty much have the same name.

[/ QUOTE ]

That'd be cool for a merger with TRSI, but I thought they said that they would work with, not merge, with an R1 company.

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I'm already imagining the sale price on an LoGH bundle /images/graemlins/happy.gif

[leongsh]

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Caesar said:
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Wakaba said:
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Milliardo_Peacecraft said:
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FigNewton said:
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Milliardo_Peacecraft said:
WrightStaff said they would release it themselves or merge w/ an R1 company to release it!

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I hope they don't release it under the label "Wright Staff"... that's just asking for problems with Right Stuf.

[/ QUOTE ]

LOL, but they could merge with TRSI and pretty much have the same name.

[/ QUOTE ]

That'd be cool for a merger with TRSI, but I thought they said that they would work with, not merge, with an R1 company.

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I'm already imagining the sale price on an LoGH bundle /images/graemlins/happy.gif

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Gahhh!! That would be the straw that breaks the camel's back. It would drive me to register with TRSI and purchase it there. Thus starting me down the road to financial ruin and to have a massive anime backlog. /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

[Dalhectar]

I don't mind the sub only release, but I wouldn't pay more than $1000 total for the series. At the same time I would expect there to be good visual and sound quality, plenty of extras like linear notes, character bios, ship and weapon design information, character interaction charts (something that describes the military heirarchy and/or how non-military characters relate to each other), something fun like a pencil board or poster, nice cover art and design for dvd box(s), and a dividing up the payment so it's broken up over seasons. It would be easier to pay $155 per season (assuming 6 seasons for series) and $24 per movie than writing a single $1000 check.

[Mighty_Eris]

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Wakaba said:
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Milliardo_Peacecraft said:
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FigNewton said:
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Milliardo_Peacecraft said:
WrightStaff said they would release it themselves or merge w/ an R1 company to release it!

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I hope they don't release it under the label "Wright Staff"... that's just asking for problems with Right Stuf.

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LOL, but they could merge with TRSI and pretty much have the same name.

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That'd be cool for a merger with TRSI, but I thought they said that they would work with, not merge, with an R1 company.

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I'm already imagining the sale price on an LoGH bundle /images/graemlins/happy.gif

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Forget that. I'm waiting for the brick.

[iserlohn]

It's available for preorder here:

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=BBBA-9081

If someone gets this, could they be so kind as to let us know if the chapter stops suck less than on the LD release (LD was OP/Episode/ED/Preview, and if the OP/ED were used for extra story time, they counted as the episode chapter).

[Jursie]

I just wonder though, has anyone heard anything else on the r1 release...it doesn't look like there's going to be one now simply because of the lack of recent information.

[iserlohn]

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Sessha Jursiesan said:
I just wonder though, has anyone heard anything else on the r1 release...it doesn't look like there's going to be one now simply because of the lack of recent information.

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I asked someone close to the source at Otakon if there was a count update and he said he hadn't heard anything since AX =(

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Chris Beveridge said:
Attention: Legends of Galactic Heroes needs YOU! (08:15 PM EST): That's right you hardcore fans and those of you who have been won over by Crest of the Stars and Banner of the Stars. You have a chance to make anime history. The producer of Legends of Galactic Heroes and the rights holder of the series (110 main story episodes, 54 side story episodes, and 3 features) want to deliver an American release, subtitled and using brand new prints, some areas of which where new footage had to be created from scratch. But this is a pony up kind of deal, similar to AnimEigo's early DVD days and their hardcore fan acquisitions. A survey has been posted by the producer on their site to find out what level of interest and committment there is among US fans. All I know is what's been posted there and what I've said here. I hope that there's enough people like myself that will jump into this with me!

www.gineigoods.com/form (http://www.gineigoods.com/form)

[/ QUOTE ]Anything new about this?

I was in touch recently with my contact on the staff, and he indicated there are things going on, but nothing he could talk about yet. I am sure we will be having some interesting developments in the future - just be patient!

While in the supermarket this evening, I noticed the latest issue of
the magazine "Wizard ANIME Insider" on the magazine rack. Featured on
the cover was a lead article on the "Top 10 Anime You Can't See".
Curious to see what shows the probably young and hip crowd writing for this
mag would think of for these top 10, (assuming there probably wouldn't be
anything that would appeal to me) I was pleased to see that coming
in at Number 7 was "Legend of Galactic Heroes"! The short blurb about the
show is pretty positive, and mentions the R1 preorder page at
gineigoods.com. Of course it takes a few humorous potshots as well:
the subtitle under the name of the show is "Talking Germans...in Space!".
And under the accompanying picture (which is the LD cover/poster art
for the second movie, "Overture to a New War") the caption reads,
"DAS SPACEBOOT: Reinhard contemplates an Oktoberfest...in Space!"

When will we hear something about LOGH R1 release?

Patience... Patience... /images/graemlins/anger200.gif

[klart]

Well I finally did it. 3 months later I finally caved and signed up.

[LOUiE]

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nykk79 said:
When will we hear something about LOGH R1 release?

Patience... Patience... /images/graemlins/anger200.gif

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I'm expecting a 2005 release.

[MrDisco]

1900 USD? hmm..roughly $2600 CDN. egads that's insane. it would have to be signficantly less for me to jump on board.

[Chacranajxy]

$1900 is a shitload of money, and I can't just throw that down on one thing like this. If it was significantly cheaper, then I might jump. I'm talking around the price of the whole Rurouni Kenshin series. LoGH is just a little longer (the 110 episodes), so if the retail price for the 110 eps is around $700, then I'd be more willing to consider.

chances are that if enough people sign on, then the series will be distributed normally after the original bulk release fails miserably.

That being said, hell yeah I signed the thing!!! LoGH kicks major butt!!!

I am posting this on behalf of my friend who is one of the staffers on the LoGH DVD project...
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Hello LOGH fans -

Because of LOGH's popularity in Hong Kong and
China, the official LOGH DVDs were prepared
with Chinese audio (in addition to Japanese)
and Chinese subtitles, and so these official
DVDs released in Japan recently are sold in those countries
as well.

There have been reports of Manga International and
possibly other companies selling what may seem
like legitimate LOGH DVDs in Hong Kong, and that
many of these are imported and being sold in the
US as well.

While it is true that one Hong Kong-based company
held LOGH DVD rights until earlier this year,
it no longer is the case. No other parties in Hong Kong,
including MI, currently hold LOGH DVD rights.

It should be obvious that the DVDs MI sells
are bootlegs. And it goes without saying,
purchasing bootlegs is not unlike supporting
criminal acts, and it can be harmful to anime
creators, companies and everyone involved in
making legitimate releases available.

As we all know, LOGH is a gigantic production that
was made over many, many years. Due to its age,
material conditions, etc., it was decided to restore
and/or re-animate countless parts of the series
for the DVD release, especially the earlier episodes,
despite the enormous expenses that that would incur.

The producers of LOGH would like to acknowledge receiving
hundreds of email comments and pledges for the release
of R1 English-Subtitled LOGH Limited-Edition DVD Boxset.
While the total number of pledges so far is still
somewhat short of our goal, they feel confident that
the Boxset can be sold for US$1,700, not US$2,000+
(as previously speculated), provided that the goal
of 1,500 pledges be met.

Stay tuned for more announcements...

Sincerely,
An US-based staff, on behalf of
the LOGH project team and Producers.


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$1700?? /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif

[Milliardo]

Ehh...it's not that badI only have to give up 4 months of buying...anything!!

[FigNewton]

$1700... hahaha... sorry, but that's still a "Thank you, but no" from me.

Actually in my MIND it's a little stronger than that.

[Milliardo]

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FigNewton said:
$1700... hahaha... sorry, but that's still a "Thank you, but no" from me.

Actually in my MIND it's a little stronger than that.

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Hmm...I think I can read minds! Let me see what yours is saying...
"What the fuck?!?! They must be joking! Are they f*cking crazy?!"

I feel sort of the same way. I think I'll check out some fansubs
before I decide. But that price is what you'd be paying for the, what,
108 episodes, 50+ episodes for the OVAs, 2 movies, Limited Edition Box.

[malazar]

Well, $2,000 was tempting for THIS series. $1,700 is more tempting, but $1,500 would be a slam dunk for me. I'll probably still sign up if push comes to shove though.

[MalrocK]

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malazar said:
Well, $2,000 was tempting for THIS series. $1,700 is more tempting, but $1,500 would be a slam dunk for me. I'll probably still sign up if push comes to shove though.

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same here /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif $1700 while a lot, is still less than I used to spend on two months for preorders /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif Can't wait for this. $1500 would be great though, *wink wink*

[Riese]

If it's $1700 all at once, crap I might as well take out a small
loan. >_<

Sorry, but this is making the $40-ish R2 3-packs a LOT more appealing now. I can buy at my own pace and to get the main series, I'd only need
to get 8 of the mini-boxes.
Well, let's inflate expenses and pretend that the 5300 yen price tag only gets converted to $50. 8 x 50 is $400.

If I want everything, there are 12 mini-boxes which would push up
the price to $600.

That's almost 1/3 of the R1 box set.

I *do* love LoGH and I'd like to own legits of the series but
$1500 vs $600(most likely less?)
I consider myself a die hard fan but not a friggin otaku.
I'm not going to skip eating.


PS, this thread is getting a bit big..^_^;;
Maybe time to start fresh?

[Donovan]

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nykk79 said:
$1700?? /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif

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Indeed, that's pretty bad. Even if we assume that's only a retail price (and I'm not sure this set will be made available that way), it breaks down to three features at $30 each and then about 3 episodes per $30 disc. 3 episodes per disc for a 164 episode show is not going to cut it.

And if it's not available at the usual discounts thru retailers (let's say 25%), it's equivalent to three features normally costing around $22.50 per disc and then about 2.25 episodes per typically $22.50 disc.

[Justin Richardson]

I would be for getting this if they would make this available through reasonable means. Seriously - $1700.00? At one time? Sorry, but I'll pass.

If they did go the $30 route, I would be more willing to pick this series up (or even pull an AnimEgo and do mini boxes and single discs ala Urusei Yatsura so this won't require a 2nd college loand to obtain)

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In regard to Justin's post, I should also point out that I do not believe we would be talking about a $1700 lump sum payment. I know the producers have heard the fans and want to do a release broken up into some smaller digestible chunks.

[iserlohn]

I think most people misunderstood the babelfish surrounding the montly releases. It's 3 discs coming out every month for 5500 yen EACH.

[iserlohn]

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There is also some indication that there may be even more refinements on the R1 release than that in Japan, which would be cool.

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Yay, more crappy CG pans (which I know your source also wasn't such a big fan of having asked him at a con what he thought of it).

[LOUiE]

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malazar said:
Well, $2,000 was tempting for THIS series. $1,700 is more tempting, but $1,500 would be a slam dunk for me. I'll probably still sign up if push comes to shove though.

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Well, I figure since it's still probably over a year away, people can start saving money now. If you start putting away $50 a month now, you'll only need $1000 when the set finally releases if I'm guessing right. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

I know I getting it, $1700 is a good price for something that will hopefuly be high quality and long. I know most would want it cheaper but I like the price.

[LOUiE]

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iserlohn said:
I think most people misunderstood the babelfish surrounding the montly releases. It's 3 discs coming out every month for 5500 yen EACH.

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So that's around $150 for each 3 disc set and times 12 that comes to $1800. Shock Shock Horror Horror Shock Shock Horror.

[Riese]

I checked Amazon.co.jp just to make sure. At the time, the 3 disks
all had *one* product number listed on www.ginei.jp (http://www.ginei.jp), which confused me.

Crap.

http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000CBCC4/qid%3D1062446395/sr%3D1-6/ref%3Dsr%5F1%5F2%5F6/250-5085548-5826649

Oh well, no LoGH for me!

[Riese]

What *kind* of refinements?

I for one would really like to get the encyclopedia DVDs.
It seems like a shame that they went through all the trouble
to get through that material and it looks like no one out
there except the select few that preordered it will get
to enjoy em.

[iserlohn]

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Riese said:
What *kind* of refinements?


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Maybe they'll finally get all the title cards romanized into proper German/English/Whatever...they fixed some on the R2 release but boffed a whole bunch of them in the process as well.

[Milliardo]

They're also chabging the way the char. look. And folks, please don't bitch about it! This show is based on novels ad they didn't have to animatei in the first peace for you ungrateful bastards!

[Donovan]

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Milliardo_Peacecraft said:
They're also chabging the way the char. look. And folks, please don't bitch about it! This show is based on novels ad they didn't have to animatei in the first peace for you ungrateful bastards!

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Neither the original creators nor the people that will modify it (assuming they are different) are working as a charity, so gratitude is not in order simply because they create SOMETHING. They get paid if they produce something we want and they get nothing if they don't, so our constructive criticism is to their benefit as well. I hope they will not attempt to impose a new vision on a classic piece of anime, nor attempt to do what they think WOULD have been done if LoGH were made today. LoGH was NOT made today, and the people offering to pay such significant amounts of money are offering to buy the original. Changes should be limited to cleaning up old audio and video and providing interesting but seperate extras, not altering character designs or adding CGI special effects. Otherwise you've got a whole new anime, and not one I'm prepared to drop over a grand on sight unseen.

You can't use the reputation of a classic anime to produce an expensive "collector's edition" and then go and change the anime in a noticable way. Those kind of changes are what sequels with alternate universes are for, and I would invite anyone getting creative ideas on LoGH to make such a sequel instead. Give us a solid, restored version of the ORIGINAL LoGH, put on some good extras (a classic like this must have tons of great "making of", promotional videos, interviews, and creative/story insights to provide), and try to keep the price reasonable; that's what will get you the hardcore otaku bucks that LoGH is ideally targetted towards. Anything else is just bound to grate on the nerves of the LoGH fans who have already seen raw/fansubs of this show and will loathe any changes, and given their target number of pre-preorders I don't think they can afford to risk losing that demographic. "Unedited" and "quality" are good buzzwords for anime DVDs; "new" and "improved" should be left to household cleaning products. Just ask the Initial D fans.

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try to keep the price reasonable; that's what will get you the hardcore otaku bucks that LoGH is ideally targetted towards.

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Amen to that.

[iserlohn]

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Milliardo_Peacecraft said:
You can't use the reputation of a classic anime to produce an expensive "collector's edition" and then go and change the anime in a noticable way.

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Hear hear! And when this man says noticable, he means you can sit there and point out cut by cut what scenes got redone. It's sad when the people you would think want the show in R1 the most - people who own the original LDs - are the ones most turned off by what they've done.

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Those kind of changes are what sequels with alternate universes are for, and I would invite anyone getting creative ideas on LoGH to make such a sequel instead.

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Tokuma did that themselves with the second side season, which had (almost) no material taken from the original novels. This is perhaps the best place to note that even while originally producing the show, Tokuma couldn't resist changing things - seasons 1 and 2 have a definitive look, then the production value skyrockets for seasons 3 and 4. Character designs were again streamlined for the first side season, and the second side season was a complete redesign for CG animation and those were the designs used for the DVD reanimating style.

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Give us a solid, restored version of the ORIGINAL LoGH, put on some good extras (a classic like this must have tons of great "making of", promotional videos, interviews, and creative/story insights to provide),

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There were two "making of" specials that came with the original LD release. One came with season four, and the second came with the second side season. Both include interviews with the director, animators, seiyuu (the season four one includes a scene being done in the recording studio), and a couple other involved people. I never watched the second one all the way through, but I know they interview the replacement seiyuu for Yang (whose original seiyuu died between seasons four and side 2), and also talked about the CG process. Also, Mr. Tanaka was interviewed either for commentary or, more likely, some other extra during early stages of DVD production. The show was made as an OAV, so promo videos are rare, mostly print pieces like posters.

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and try to keep the price reasonable; that's what will get you the hardcore otaku bucks that LoGH is ideally targetted towards.

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Yes, keeping the price low is extremely important - I've got friends who would love to buy LoGH in R1, but see no way to justify dropping $1500-1700 on the set. For people in their mid-20's on their first or second job, it's a commitment on the level of buying a car.

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"Unedited" and "quality" are good buzzwords for anime DVDs; "new" and "improved" should be left to household cleaning products. Just ask the Initial D fans.

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/me grumbles and does not comment further on the ID thing.

What I just don't get is why Tokuma felt the need to go through all this hassle in the first place. LoGH is a niche title in Japan, not a major cash cow like Gundam or anything, and Ishiguro wasn't going back trying to change Macross when the DVDs came out, so why this and why now? Response that I've seen from the Japanese fans seems to be rather mixed - a bunch of them really love the new version, but there's also grumblings about how it was just odd how the character redesigns were done. And then there's the added blood - when one major character dies, I thought I was watching Berserk for a moment, it was like a geyser coming out of their wound, whereas in the LD version there were a few small spurts and that was it. Disturbing, to say the least.

[Jursie]

53 bucks A DVD?

Dang, I was kind of hoping for the three-packs...*sigh*

Anyway, I do hope they lower the price; I'd be willing to shell out 1000 for it but there's no way that I could afford 1700.

Let's just have some hope; they could lower the price.

[ QUOTE ]
Anyway, I do hope they lower the price; I'd be willing to shell out 1000 for it but there's no way that I could afford 1700.

Let's just have some hope; they could lower the price.


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Yeah, the maximum I will spend on LOGH is $1000 and not all at once.

[gundamseed]

I love to get this set but the price , 1700 for me is way to much and when the stuff gets to barbados, i have to pay tax which is about 75% of that .buy the way what the hell is up with all these changes i hope it's not as bad as ID. /images/graemlins/anger100.gif /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif

[Milliardo]

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gundamseed said:
I love to get this set but the price , 1700 for me is way to much and when the stuff gets to barbados, i have to pay tax which is about 75% of that .buy the way what the hell is up with all these changes i hope it's not as bad as ID. /images/graemlins/anger100.gif /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif

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No, they aren't getting rid of any music or editing the language. They're only changing the way the characters look and reanimating whole scenes, so they look better not worse. I hope that's all they're changing! Btw, you live in Barbados? You lucky bastard! Getting to watch anime in that great place!!

[gundamseed]

yeah it's cool until your 1st season FY box set ends up costing you about 400US . That why i found that animenation free box thread so funny thoses guys were cry out for 4 bucks, they just don't know how good they have it .you guys can get so much anime for the price my end up costing me.

[Milliardo]

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gundamseed said:
yeah it's cool until your 1st season FY box set ends up costing you about 400US . That why i found that animenation free box thread so funny thoses guys were cry out for 4 bucks, they just don't know how good they have it .you guys can get so much anime for the price my end up costing me.

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Dang! Both Seasons and the OVA's didn't even cost me that much! I guess I don't know how good I have it...

[Donovan]

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Milliardo_Peacecraft said:
They're only changing the way the characters look and reanimating whole scenes

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God I hope not. If they do that, they can just take my name off the list because I won't buy it. Geez, got my hopes up and everything.

I would only buy it under two nonnegotiable conditions a)it was cheaper (say around $60~$100 a season/26 episodes) and b)there was an english dub.

[gundamseed]

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TenDeuchen said:
I would only buy it under two nonnegotiable conditions a)it was cheaper (say around $60~$100 a season/26 episodes) and b)there was an english dub.

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That my friend will never happen . It's for the hard core fans of the series and think about it , they dubbing some thing that long just for few fans that just won't happen.

[FigNewton]

With regards to the price issue... how many of us ever thought we'd see City Hunter at the low low price it is available at? (I never thought we'd see it at all).

[BrianS]

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Donovan said:
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Milliardo_Peacecraft said:
They're only changing the way the characters look and reanimating whole scenes

[/ QUOTE ]

God I hope not. If they do that, they can just take my name off the list because I won't buy it. Geez, got my hopes up and everything.

[/ QUOTE ]

The changes aren't that bad. They showed a few clips at the LoGH panel at AX, and mainly they reanimated scenes whose source materials had deteriorated or been damaged. I didn't notice any really major changes to the designs (I think it would have stood out more if they had), and they haven't changed any of the story or the action - they just redrew some scenes. I actually think that the reanimated bits looked pretty cool, and the bulk of it is still the same.

[Donovan]

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Brian Sebby said:
The changes aren't that bad. They showed a few clips at the LoGH panel at AX, and mainly they reanimated scenes whose source materials had deteriorated or been damaged. I didn't notice any really major changes to the designs (I think it would have stood out more if they had), and they haven't changed any of the story or the action - they just redrew some scenes. I actually think that the reanimated bits looked pretty cool, and the bulk of it is still the same.

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Well the "changed the way the characters looked" sounded like more than just redoing some damaged scenes so I was concerned. Just doing some reanimating of damaged scenes while trying to make it look as close to the original as possible is fine with me.

[iserlohn]

Some of them look pretty similar, some look like they liked the redesigns from the gaiden series and reworked them for the main episodes (this is especially true with Yang), and some are totally different (like a couple of the Rosenritter). The comparison site listed somewhere above has details.

[Lando]

$1700?!?!?!?!?! /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif No way! If I can get it a greatly discounted price through a retailer like DDD, then I'll at least try one season. But otherwise, there's no way I can justify it!

[Donovan]

[ QUOTE ]
iserlohn said:
Some of them look pretty similar, some look like they liked the redesigns from the gaiden series and reworked them for the main episodes (this is especially true with Yang), and some are totally different (like a couple of the Rosenritter). The comparison site listed somewhere above has details.

[/ QUOTE ]

Er, then my original comments apply. I'm not spending the kind of money they are heading towards for a reworked classic. I'll wait for now, but if this continues to be the case then I'll let them know to take my name off the list.

As a rough estimate, at 4 episodes per DVD the final price at 25% off retail for a show the size of LoGH is about $1000. I'd guess I'd pay possibly $1200 for an authentic release, and $800 for one edited the way you seem to be describing, tops. Only a guess, but that sums up my current best estimate.

[Milliardo]

[ QUOTE ]
Donovan said:
[ QUOTE ]
iserlohn said:
Some of them look pretty similar, some look like they liked the redesigns from the gaiden series and reworked them for the main episodes (this is especially true with Yang), and some are totally different (like a couple of the Rosenritter). The comparison site listed somewhere above has details.

[/ QUOTE ]

Er, then my original comments apply. I'm not spending the kind of money they are heading towards for a reworked classic. I'll wait for now, but if this continues to be the case then I'll let them know to take my name off the list.

As a rough estimate, at 4 episodes per DVD the final price at 25% off retail for a show the size of LoGH is about $1000. I'd guess I'd pay possibly $1200 for an authentic release, and $800 for one edited the way you seem to be describing, tops. Only a guess, but that sums up my current best estimate.

[/ QUOTE ]

Well, lets do the math shall we?

A 26 episode these days on DVD if you pay for all seperately is about $210 right(30*7)? Well, this show is 110 episodes long and that's not even counting th side stories and 3 movies! 4*180 is $840 right there and then add $360 for the 54 side stories and thats $1200 + $90 for 3 movies and take 25% off is about $967 altogether!

[Donovan]

[ QUOTE ]
Milliardo_Peacecraft said:
Well, lets do the math shall we?

[/ QUOTE ]

Actually I must confess that I did do the math and didn't just get lucky on the numbers. /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif I originally meant for the "rough estimate" to be the amount I would probably pay, but that meaning changed during edits.

[Milliardo]

[ QUOTE ]
Donovan said:
[ QUOTE ]
Milliardo_Peacecraft said:
Well, lets do the math shall we?

[/ QUOTE ]

Actually I must confess that I did do the math and didn't just get lucky on the numbers. /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif I originally meant for the "rough estimate" to be the amount I would probably pay, but that meaning changed during edits.

[/ QUOTE ]

Doh! Well 5 minutes of my life wasted! Just Kidding! Any time helping a fellow AoD'er is never time wasted! Now I'm off to pad my posts!

[Riese]

This is for Ep 28.
http://www.iserlohn.com/logh-rw/logh28.html

Of all the comparisons listed, this had a lot of pictures and you can't really spoil what happens based on the images you see in this episode.

Here is a comparison of the movies that have been, unfortunately,
cropped for wide screen.
http://big3.big.or.jp/~yumei/gin/dvd/dvd.html

Minor characters got redone:
http://big3.big.or.jp/~yumei/gin/dvd/40.html

The changes are subtle but IMO the changes make quite an impact
when you add them all together.

I like the line-ier, more carved looks of the LD version.
There are also some scenes where it looks like the re-animators got a little photoshop happy. They applied some filters(usually blur-think YUA movie) and to me, it reeks too much of "ooh, look at this new toy I discovered! Let's use it...EVERYWHERE."

[Donovan]

[ QUOTE ]
Riese said:
This is for Ep 28.
http://www.iserlohn.com/logh-rw/logh28.html

Of all the comparisons listed, this had a lot of pictures and you can't really spoil what happens based on the images you see in this episode.

[/ QUOTE ]

Aww hell, how can I continue to be a purist if I sorta like the new ones better? /images/graemlins/sad.gif


[ QUOTE ]
Riese said:
[I like the line-ier, more carved looks of the LD version.
There are also some scenes where it looks like the re-animators got a little photoshop happy. They applied some filters(usually blur-think YUA movie) and to me, it reeks too much of "ooh, look at this new toy I discovered! Let's use it...EVERYWHERE."

[/ QUOTE ]

I mostly prefer the newer characters I think, but I definately agree that the blur is seriously overdone in several shots. I'm also ticked that the blondes got axed in two of the shots...what's up with that? /images/graemlins/wink.gif Actually it looks like they "normalized" hair color in general for those shots...guess she was detracting from the main focus. That may also have been the intent of the blur: to zoom your eye in on the single character in the scene (and possibly to simulate the "realistic" effect of a camera focused at one depth). Unfortunately there are good reasons to have large scenes where the main focus is not instantly slammed in front of your eyes, so I hope they'll tone down the changes and trust the original creative intent more. Still an iffy I think, but we shall see where the price turns out.

[ QUOTE ]
That may also have been the intent of the blur: to zoom your eye in on the single character in the scene (and possibly to simulate the "realistic" effect of a camera focused at one depth).

[/ QUOTE ]

Actually the reason for the blur effect in those scenes is that they are flashbacks to the past memories of Reuental and Mittermeyer. Lots of movies and TV shows use a blur effect at the edges to signify memory or dreams. Whether or not it is somewhat overdone in these scenes is, of course, a question of aesthetics. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

[iserlohn]

It's also a flashback scene that lasts for damn near a full episode and did NOT have the digital filter on the LD version.

[LOUiE]

[ QUOTE ]
iserlohn said:
It's also a flashback scene that lasts for damn near a full episode and did NOT have the digital filter on the LD version.

[/ QUOTE ]
IMO, the blur effect is used too much in everything already and this is just stupid to add it into a finished product where it definitely wasn't needed. /images/graemlins/sad.gif

[BrianS]

The changes are a little more dramatic than I remembered seeing, but honestly, LoGH has never been a show I watched for the animation. /images/graemlins/happy.gif The story is what's important, and I really hope that we finally get a chance to see the whole thing with English subtitles here in the US. I want to see how it ends since the fansubs I have stop in the 40s.

And I do like the new style, too. The older stuff looks older and smaller-budget quality. The more detailed new animation just looks nicer in a lot of scenes. It'd be nice if they could use alternate angles or something to allow those who demand the original to watch it in the original form.

[GeorgeC]

[ QUOTE ]
iserlohn said:
[ QUOTE ]
witega said:
What is the connection between Legend of Galactic Heroes and CotS/BotS?

[/ QUOTE ]

CotS/BotS is what LoGH would be if it was significantly kiddified and watered down. The storyline, politics, characters, and battles in LoGH are on a much grander scale without a lot of the useless melodrama and pacing issues present in CotS.

That said, I wish they'd make the offer to do smaller boxes instead - $1900 is a lot to plunk down, and as much as I love the show, I simply can not afford it at that price, and it's even harder to justify when I already own half the series on Laserdisc. There's going to be a panel at AX on Friday Morning, I would strongly suggest people going and asking for the option to either 1)sign up JUST for season 1, 2)get the movies made and released through a US distributor (Tokuma can produce and then distribute through, say, Pioneer just like Bandai distributes through Pioneer), or 3)drop the price to be more in line with R1 pricing (around $1400 for 47 discs. Still not cheap, but more effective...)

At least the translation will be good, I know who's responsible and can vouch for his quality.

[/ QUOTE ]

Too rich for me, too --- and I bought AnimEigo's original box set of Macross!

It's just too much to pay all at once. I'd be surprised if even 1000 people buy this set. I could be wrong, yeah, but this show will NEVER have a big following in mainstream fandom if we're all required to make such a big cash outlay all at once! (I guess for the fans that have deep pockets or are elitists that's a great thing, but for people with budgets...!)

Who are the licensors kidding here?

Also, a 47-disc release? Domestic companies are already having a hard enough time selling fans on shows that run over 6 volumes unless they happen to have the initials D-B-Z!

I guess the argument with DBZ you can make is that you watch the show fansubbed or on TV first and just buy the volumes that have the storyarcs you like, but that won't even be an option with this show...!

I hate to sound like a pessimist here, but let's inject some realism and remind the people that license these shows that most of us do NOT have an endless supply of money to spend on shows like this. I just don't think the way the Japanese fellows and their American staff have figured on selling this show now is going to fly at all in the US.

[Milliardo]

[ QUOTE ]
GeorgeC said:
[ QUOTE ]
iserlohn said:
[ QUOTE ]
witega said:
What is the connection between Legend of Galactic Heroes and CotS/BotS?

[/ QUOTE ]

CotS/BotS is what LoGH would be if it was significantly kiddified and watered down. The storyline, politics, characters, and battles in LoGH are on a much grander scale without a lot of the useless melodrama and pacing issues present in CotS.

That said, I wish they'd make the offer to do smaller boxes instead - $1900 is a lot to plunk down, and as much as I love the show, I simply can not afford it at that price, and it's even harder to justify when I already own half the series on Laserdisc. There's going to be a panel at AX on Friday Morning, I would strongly suggest people going and asking for the option to either 1)sign up JUST for season 1, 2)get the movies made and released through a US distributor (Tokuma can produce and then distribute through, say, Pioneer just like Bandai distributes through Pioneer), or 3)drop the price to be more in line with R1 pricing (around $1400 for 47 discs. Still not cheap, but more effective...)

At least the translation will be good, I know who's responsible and can vouch for his quality.

[/ QUOTE ]

Too rich for me, too --- and I bought AnimEigo's original box set of Macross!

It's just too much to pay all at once. I'd be surprised if even 1000 people buy this set. I could be wrong, yeah, but this show will NEVER have a big following in mainstream fandom if we're all required to make such a big cash outlay all at once! (I guess for the fans that have deep pockets or are elitists that's a great thing, but for people with budgets...!)

Who are the licensors kidding here?

Also, a 47-disc release? Domestic companies are already having a hard enough time selling fans on shows that run over 6 volumes unless they happen to have the initials D-B-Z!

I guess the argument with DBZ you can make is that you watch the show fansubbed or on TV first and just buy the volumes that have the storyarcs you like, but that won't even be an option with this show...!

I hate to sound like a pessimist here, but let's inject some realism and remind the people that license these shows that most of us do NOT have an endless supply of money to spend on shows like this. I just don't think the way the Japanese fellows and their American staff have figured on selling this show now is going to fly at all in the US.

[/ QUOTE ]

Well about 200 or so posts down, they said you DO NOT have to pay that much!

[danhawk]

all i can who gets to sell this i hope they will expcet discover cause i got a 5,000 limit on it and i will be sure to be one of the first customers to orders this.

After watching a few episodes, I really want this show...but I hate some of the angles they did and some character redesigning(...i liked those slanted eyes of Log...erk too long) Oh well character designs blah...the price is scaring me....and they say they're confident they can get it at $1700 meaning it's not definite.

Well unless the price drops a little, there is no way unless I become a millionare or something , there is no way I can afford it. Dead broke as it is...

[danhawk]

i wonder how many people have signed up for this.

[Milliardo]

I bought a bootleg of the first season and love it(The subs were perfect, too!). The first episode bored me to tears, but by the middle of the second episode, I was in heaven! But I love the episodes about the Empire people and the flashback episodes. I hope they release this soon before I finish the first season.

Yeah, I really hope they release this fast so that not everyone breaks down and just buys the bootlegs and forgets about R1 release...

[ QUOTE ]
SaebaSang said:
Yeah, I really hope they release this fast so that not everyone breaks down and just buys the bootlegs and forgets about R1 release...



[/ QUOTE ]

Except that the entire first season (which is, AFAIK, all that is bootlegged) and part of the second is available for free online.

So I don't think anyone will be paying money for boots with crappy subs anytime soon.

Anyhow, anyone have any updated information on the set? I'm tired of waiting, I have $2G's and I'm ready to throw down!!!

[LOUiE]

[ QUOTE ]
kazuo said:
[ QUOTE ]
SaebaSang said:
Yeah, I really hope they release this fast so that not everyone breaks down and just buys the bootlegs and forgets about R1 release...



[/ QUOTE ]

Except that the entire first season (which is, AFAIK, all that is bootlegged) and part of the second is available for free online.

So I don't think anyone will be paying money for boots with crappy subs anytime soon.

Anyhow, anyone have any updated information on the set? I'm tired of waiting, I have $2G's and I'm ready to throw down!!!

[/ QUOTE ]
Wait til AX, they'll tell you it's only 2 years away at that point. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

[ QUOTE ]
SaebaSang said:
I can't believe actually I am one of those 570 hardcores

[/ QUOTE ]You and me both, friend. Heh. As crazy as the price is, I'm surprised at the low number of signatories. This is a famous series. The history of the galaxy turns another page. Heh.

[alpha3six]

Well, I signed up for the LoGH collection, and brought a friend too. Make that 2 more positive responses.

I couldn't resist finding out what happened after ep 40 (all that I can find) so I read the episode summaries through ep 110 a few weeks ago. I'd already known what happened at the end of season 3, but...damn. Damn! I hadn't seen actual images...

I am really wondering if this plan is still ongoing or not at this point. /images/graemlins/relief1.gif

[AniBakaV]

[ QUOTE ]
Chris Beveridge said:
Attention: Legends of Galactic Heroes needs YOU! (08:15 PM EST): That's right you hardcore fans and those of you who have been won over by Crest of the Stars and Banner of the Stars. You have a chance to make anime history. The producer of Legends of Galactic Heroes and the rights holder of the series (110 main story episodes, 54 side story episodes, and 3 features) want to deliver an American release, subtitled and using brand new prints, some areas of which where new footage had to be created from scratch. But this is a pony up kind of deal, similar to AnimEigo's early DVD days and their hardcore fan acquisitions. A survey has been posted by the producer on their site to find out what level of interest and committment there is among US fans. All I know is what's been posted there and what I've said here. I hope that there's enough people like myself that will jump into this with me!

www.gineigoods.com/form (http://www.gineigoods.com/form)

[/ QUOTE ]
hmmm...thanks for the info,I'll make a note of that

[Donovan]

[ QUOTE ]
AniBakaV said:
[ QUOTE ]
Chris Beveridge said:
www.gineigoods.com/form (http://www.gineigoods.com/form)

[/ QUOTE ]
hmmm...thanks for the info,I'll make a note of that

[/ QUOTE ]

Hmm, have they changed that link? It now reads (emphasis mine):

"The Japanese release consisted of 47 DVDs (including 2 special features DVDs) at 231,000 yen (approximately 1,925 USD). We'd be making a new English version for an American release, so the price may likely remain about the same."

About the same? Not in a million years would I pay $2k for it, not even if they gave us both the old AND new versions of the video. Best guess is they are only subbing it, but even a sub/dub release makes it to the US for a lot less than R2 usually. I know the impression at the con way back was that they intended to be lower, but I didn't remember this link being that specific about being the same price as R2.

[ QUOTE ]
"The Japanese release consisted of 47 DVDs (including 2 special features DVDs) at 231,000 yen (approximately 1,925 USD). We'd be making a new English version for an American release, so the price may likely remain about the same."


[/ QUOTE ]

Hmm... Sounds like they are planning to dub this?

If that will keep the price as high as R2, then that's a terrible idea.

I am just hoping for a sub only release at a reasonable price.

The only thing that matters here is the price IMO.

I just hope they realize that.

[Lando]

[ QUOTE ]
This survey is for a subtitled release.

[/ QUOTE ]
Yes, it says right before what you quoted that it's a sub only release. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif Hmm...the price is unacceptable, IMO. According to my math, the majority of discs in the R2 release are four episodes per disc, with a few three episode discs. (47 dvds - 2 special feature discs - 3 movie discs = 42 regular discs. 164 episodes / 42 discs = 3.905 episodes per disc.) Not so good. They'd sell a lot more with higher episode counts. Also, if it will end up costing about $1,925, that's $40.96 per disc. They need to up the episode count and lower the price. Besides that, I think the best way to release is in boxed form, one per season and one for the movies. However, they should also make individual season one and movie discs available. That would get more people interested, IMO.

[AniBakaV]

[ QUOTE ]
Donovan said:
[ QUOTE ]
AniBakaV said:
[ QUOTE ]
Chris Beveridge said:
www.gineigoods.com/form (http://www.gineigoods.com/form)

[/ QUOTE ]
hmmm...thanks for the info,I'll make a note of that

[/ QUOTE ]

Hmm, have they changed that link? It now reads (emphasis mine):

"The Japanese release consisted of 47 DVDs (including 2 special features DVDs) at 231,000 yen (approximately 1,925 USD). We'd be making a new English version for an American release, so the price may likely remain about the same."

About the same? Not in a million years would I pay $2k for it, not even if they gave us both the old AND new versions of the video. Best guess is they are only subbing it, but even a sub/dub release makes it to the US for a lot less than R2 usually. I know the impression at the con way back was that they intended to be lower, but I didn't remember this link being that specific about being the same price as R2.

[/ QUOTE ]
thanks man /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

[Mr. Nail Bat]

[ QUOTE ]
SaebaSang said:
[ QUOTE ]
"The Japanese release consisted of 47 DVDs (including 2 special features DVDs) at 231,000 yen (approximately 1,925 USD). We'd be making a new English version for an American release, so the price may likely remain about the same."


[/ QUOTE ]

Hmm... Sounds like they are planning to dub this?

If that will keep the price as high as R2, then that's a terrible idea.

I am just hoping for a sub only release at a reasonable price.

The only thing that matters here is the price IMO.

I just hope they realize that.

[/ QUOTE ]

If they dub it, I will definitely be buying it, even at R2 prices.

[Lando]

[ QUOTE ]
This survey is for a subtitled release.

[/ QUOTE ] ^_^

[Donovan]

[ QUOTE ]
Lando said:
[ QUOTE ]
This survey is for a subtitled release.

[/ QUOTE ] ^_^

[/ QUOTE ]

We debated that line before, and while the implication is sub-only it doesn't rule out sub/dub technically. I'd certainly wager on sub-only, but in this case it's somewhat moot since the price is too high either way.

[aimlesswanderer]

Just so long as I can get my hands on it so I can understand it (but preferrably subbed), at a reasonable price, I don't care!

Is there any more news about what's happening with this show and its R1 distro?

[MalrocK]

So, has anyone heard anything at the recent cons? Any new updates? It will be almost a year since we signed the form /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

[sephiroth135]

[ QUOTE ]
Malrock said:
So, has anyone heard anything at the recent cons? Any new updates? It will be almost a year since we signed the form /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Well I read this in Animenation not so long ago

LoGH Article (http://animenation.net/news/askjohn.php?id=887)
[ QUOTE ]
The hope of LoGH being officially released in America, though, is not entirely displaced. While no domestic distributor has ever hinted at considering licensing LoGH, the series' Japanese distributor, and the executive staff behind the anime, have made steps toward bringing the series to American viewers. English dubbed sample episodes have screened at American conventions, and Japanese licensor Wright Staff, Ltd. has opened a poll seeking 1,500 American consumers willing to spend roughly $2,000 on an American DVD release. As of October 2003, Wright Staff announced after leaving the poll open for nearly 4 months, that they still not gathered even 1,500 pledges of support from American fans, but that the responses they'd received had been positive enough to encourage them to consider a limited edition American release. In the 6 months since then, there's been no word on the status of a possible American release for LoGH.

[/ QUOTE ]

[iserlohn]

Sources say that there's at least one US company interested, but the JP are playing the "you can give us more than that, really" game. Rumour is, as always, that something may be announced at AX.

[FigNewton]

I wonder if this is a case of the interested US company being tight, or the Japanese company placing too high a value on it. I'm betting the US company looks at it knowing there's no way in hell they can sell it for what the Japanese company wanted to, but the Japanese company is clinging to the idea of a higher price tag.

[ilmaestro]

"Japanese licensor Wright Staff"

Just thought it was funny, as the kana version of the name could be the written the same way as a kana version of 'Right Stuf'. Or am I reading too much into this... /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

[Riese]

The conditions for licensing LoGH is all or none. Namely, a company can't release the movies to test the waters of their respective markets, so to speak.

Without a doubt, LoGH is a series of amazing quality. It deserves success but it also needs people who are familiar with overseas markets.
Being a super quality series alone won't cut it, sadly.

[FigNewton]

[ QUOTE ]
Haruna said:
The conditions for licensing LoGH is all or none. Namely, a company can't release the movies to test the waters of their respective markets, so to speak.


[/ QUOTE ]

I never assumed it was anything else...

[LOUiE]

Anybody hear anything new at all about this? It's been well over a year since they started trying to garner interest in it and they've remained mum since.

[slerch666]

Sorry to bump such an old thread, but has their been any news on this series?

I checked the form again (http://www.gineigoods.com/form/) but it appears it's "under maintenance." It's not looking good for the English speaking fan wanting to see this series...

I got this email earlier today:

[ QUOTE ]
Dear Legend of the Galactic Heroes fans,

Last year, we made and sold jackets based on Legend of the Galactic Heroes
Free Planets Alliance uniform design in Japan. This sold out, but we have
been getting requests for additional production, so we are taking a
production survey. Last year's sale was only for sales in Japan, but this
time, we have additionally licensed overseas sales right. This will be the
sole licensed version in the world.

This product requires a minimum batch of 500 for production. When survey
response exceeds 500, we will officially start taking orders. We will go
ahead with production when we actually receive 500 orders. Available sizes
are listed below. We hope for many yea votes.

Disclaimer: This jacket's collar is slightly different from what's depicted
in the animation.

Free Planets Alliance Jacket Survey

https://www.gineigoods.com/qh1S478/

EEJ, Inc.
1-21-6 Arai Nakono-ku, Tokyo, Japan

[/ QUOTE ]
So they must think there is SOME interest in LoGH, right?

[cpharlock]

Well, the jacket is great and all but I WANT the actual anime on DVDs. /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

Wait, does that say "US $240"?? No Thanks. /images/graemlins/depresse.gif

[Gersen]

[ QUOTE ]
cpharlock said:
Well, the jacket is great and all but I WANT the actual anime on DVDs. /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

Wait, does that say "US $240"?? No Thanks. /images/graemlins/depresse.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

They first try with "Full serie on DVD for 2000$" : If failed

Today they are less ambitious and try with the "official LoGH jacket for only 240$"

Guess in two year if this fail too they will try with the "official LoGH ballpen for 4$" /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

More seriously too bad there is no news about the DVD, even for 2000$ I would have bought them if they were subtitled /images/graemlins/sad.gif

Gersen

[Kellory]

Locking this thread due to length and due to the fact that the petition does not appear to be active any longer.

If anyone has additional information or comments, the new thread for this is over here. (http://forums.animeondvd.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=1205805&page=0&view=colla psed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1)