Legends of Galactic Heroes needs YOU!

[Chris Beveridge]

Attention: Legends of Galactic Heroes needs YOU! (08:15 PM EST): That's right you hardcore fans and those of you who have been won over by Crest of the Stars and Banner of the Stars. You have a chance to make anime history. The producer of Legends of Galactic Heroes and the rights holder of the series (110 main story episodes, 54 side story episodes, and 3 features) want to deliver an American release, subtitled and using brand new prints, some areas of which where new footage had to be created from scratch. But this is a pony up kind of deal, similar to AnimEigo's early DVD days and their hardcore fan acquisitions. A survey has been posted by the producer on their site to find out what level of interest and committment there is among US fans. All I know is what's been posted there and what I've said here. I hope that there's enough people like myself that will jump into this with me!

www.gineigoods.com/form (http://www.gineigoods.com/form)

[witega]

What is the connection between Legend of Galactic Heroes and CotS/BotS?

[Arcturus]

Well, I hope a bilingual release isn't completely out of the question. That would certainly increase my interest in the show.

[RiggsFanPE]

I like what they're doing, by checking fan interest. But this is laughable. (below)

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I will take this survey, which I indicate my promise to purchase the Legend of the Galactic Heroes DVD set (subtitled version) when it comes out. Please let me know about information regarding the release or related information about Legend of the Galactic Heroes

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[kenshin]

Good! Ever since I read the synopsis, I have been intrigued by the epic scale of the story. I'm looking forward to it's release here.

/me pass URL to his friends.

[iserlohn]

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witega said:
What is the connection between Legend of Galactic Heroes and CotS/BotS?

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CotS/BotS is what LoGH would be if it was significantly kiddified and watered down. The storyline, politics, characters, and battles in LoGH are on a much grander scale without a lot of the useless melodrama and pacing issues present in CotS.

That said, I wish they'd make the offer to do smaller boxes instead - $1900 is a lot to plunk down, and as much as I love the show, I simply can not afford it at that price, and it's even harder to justify when I already own half the series on Laserdisc. There's going to be a panel at AX on Friday Morning, I would strongly suggest people going and asking for the option to either 1)sign up JUST for season 1, 2)get the movies made and released through a US distributor (Tokuma can produce and then distribute through, say, Pioneer just like Bandai distributes through Pioneer), or 3)drop the price to be more in line with R1 pricing (around $1400 for 47 discs. Still not cheap, but more effective...)

At least the translation will be good, I know who's responsible and can vouch for his quality.

Ya, I laughed when I saw that too. If they dubbed it and released it on fewer discs I would be interested. Almost 47 discs? That's just insane for such a long show (and so is that price!).

Are they expecting that two-grand all at once? That would be a deal breaker for me despite wanting to see this show very much.

[Vertical_Ed]

interesting but too expensive for me to sign up.

i mean if this is gonna be 47 disks for approx $41 each. /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif

[Thanatos]

iserlohn, damn straight. COTS is crap ripoff compared to LOGH.

[iserlohn]

Actually, it's not.

Episode-wise, it's 4 eps/disc, and if you've ever seen a show on R2, 4 eps/DVD-9 (usually filling between 7-8 GB) is standard. The season breakup for the Japanese release is:

Season 0 - 3 discs (Movie 1, Movie 2, Golden Wings Special)
Season 1 - 7 discs (1-6=4 eps, 7=2, LDs were the same)
Season 2 - 7 discs (all 4 eps)
Season 3 - 8 discs (all 4 eps)
Season 4 - 7 discs (1-6=4 eps, 7=60 min. making of special)
Season 5 - 6 discs (all 4 eps, Gaiden 1)
Season 6 - 8 discs (1-7=4 eps, Gaiden 2, 8=30 min. making of special)

Total: 44 discs + 2 bonus encyclopedia discs and 1 disc of ?

Breakup info courtesy of: http://www.logh.net/mediarel.htm

As for the price, it costs the same as the R2s. I really wish they'd done their research better - people just don't pay that much for anime here. I also wonder if they've got the DVDs on 0 IRE or 7.5 IRE, it's hard to tell from the screenshots I've seen...

EDIT (re: other posts...): The Japanese release had a number of installment plans ranging from one to thirty-six payments...and with how long it took to get the DVDs out in Japan, most people were payed up before the last box shipped.

[klart]

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osaka said:
interesting but too expensive for me to sign up.

i mean if this is gonna be 47 disks for approx $41 each. /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif

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Agreed, this is way too expensive. Do they expect us to buy the whole set at once for $1,925?!!! I hope that's not what they're actually planning, otherwise I'm going to hold off on this series.

[Chris Beveridge]

But for the bulk of people who don't know anything about LOGH, saying that it takes COTS/BOTS to an immense extreme in a good way is a way of letting them know what it is like.

BRAWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I like what I've seen of the show but that's just a silly price. I've waited this long for it, I can wait for an company with some brains to release it at a reasonable price point.

And by reasonable price point I mean 25-30 bucks per disk so around 1175-1410. Plus a payment plan option and some single disks of movies or something to generate interest.

>thats completely crazy for the average anime fan

i think that's compleatly crazy for most of the above average fans too.

[Vertical_Ed]

drop it down to $1500 and bust it into box sets and i may be in.

i completely agree with you about the dropping $1925 all at once. thats completely crazy for the average anime fan (who is not an ota-king/queen)

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Arcturus said:

Well, I hope a bilingual release isn't completely out of the question. That would certainly increase my interest in the show.

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Me as well. Hmmm...a tad expensive also, but I totally dig CoTS/Banner. I may consider signing up. Damn... hope they consider bilingual. /images/graemlins/sad.gif /images/graemlins/relief1.gif

I just signed up myself and hope enough people would sign up too.
I am dying to see it in R1~!!
Of course, I am not paying that much for it but I signed up just to show my interest in the series.
People please sing up!!
We don't have to buy it if the price turns out to be too expensive but for now let's show our support so they at least consider bringing it to US.

That's not a contract or anything.
Don't get scared!
We just need to sign up to show our support~!!

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Of course, I am not paying that much for it but I signed up just to show my interest in the series.

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But signing up means you surport the price and will defently buy it at that price point.

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The Japanese release consisted of 47 DVDs (including 2 special features DVDs) at 231,000 yen (approximately 1,925 USD). We'd be making a new English version for an American release, so the price may likely remain about the same.

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I will take this survey, which I indicate my promise to purchase the Legend of the Galactic Heroes DVD set (subtitled version) when it comes out.

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I'd rather have few people sign it so they realize that they have to revaluate their plan than have a bunch of people sign up for it at that price and then have it flop when they refuse to pay.

[jun]

Way way too much for a series that I don't know anything about. Even if it is good as Crest of Stars, I can't see myself spending that kind of money on any series.

[RedDragon]

I did love COTS/BOTS but i am not pretty sure or knew anything about this SHOW. The price kinda over step little big (I think i pass)

I am going to sign up but not guarantee i am going pick it up!!!

[xyz]

I love LOGH dearly but the price is too expensive. That's my 2 weeks vacation right there. Should I just sign up and not buy it? I really hope a distributor over here will pick it up instead. I do dream someday I will own LOGH. Let me think about this some more.

xyz

[KomoriKiri]

Already made my request and started spreading the word.

Edit:
To clarify on the pricing, IIRC the Japanese release was a subscription thing. You paid so much a month and got your DVD (or two) in return.

Wraith
Cats know your every thought. They don't care, but they know

But... But... then how can we show our interest in the series??

I just want to show my interest in the series.
Of course I don't support that outrageous price.

I don't believe they would actually price the boxset that expensive in US.
I think they just want to know if there are enough fans who would buy it no matter what just in case its general sale fails in the market.
Like an insurance you know?
hmm...

How can we support the show but at the same time convince them to lower the price?

[malazar]

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harlock_jds said:
And by reasonable price point I mean 25-30 bucks per disk so around 1175-1410. Plus a payment plan option and some single disks of movies or something to generate interest.

>thats completely crazy for the average anime fan

i think that's compleatly crazy for most of the above average fans too.

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Agreed. I guess I spend a lot more than most on anime dvds, but 2k at once is just too big a hit for me as well. I could get a nice new HDTV for that price! However, with a somewhat lower price and a payment plan, this becomes a no brainer.

I'd love to support this as I really do want to see LOGH brought over here...but that price is just insane. I could buy over one hundred R1 discs for the same price, and I suspect I'd get a lot more enjoyment for my dollar there. Even crazies like myself do have our limits. Now, if they were to halve that price, I'd sign up for that thing right away, but I can't in good conscience fill that out as being a "commited purchaser" when I wouldn't in reality buy the set for the near $2k that they seem to want.

[Arcturus]

After checking out their price point, I'm going to have to say a definite no. Regardless of whether or not it's bilingual.

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harlock_jds said:
And by reasonable price point I mean 25-30 bucks per disk so around 1175-1410. Plus a payment plan option and some single disks of movies or something to generate interest.

>thats completely crazy for the average anime fan

i think that's compleatly crazy for most of the above average fans too.

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Exactly. I need a payment plan. I'm no good at spending big amounts of money at one time. However, if they made a payment plan like charging my card $20-30 for 00 months for season one. I'd have box sets falling out of my ass. I didn't sign-up for NewType USA until they had a similar payment plan through a deal with Suncoast. I've had skip so many Animego series because of this.

[Vicserr]

I'm way interested on these awesome series....... /images/graemlins/happy.gif
I'm NO way interested in that price!!!!!!!!! /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif
I hope there's another way I can show an interest in these series because I want it on R1

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Vicserr said:
I'm way interested on these awesome series....... /images/graemlins/happy.gif
I'm NO way interested in that price!!!!!!!!! /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif



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True.

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I hope there's another way I can show an interest in these series because I want it on R1

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I hope that they make a payment plan and drop the price as they get more orders.

[greydt]

I'm all over this! /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif Legends of the Galactic Heroes has been one of those "holy grail" titles back when I started to get into anime.

I guess this well weed out the faint of heart, and those not hardcore enough... /images/graemlins/tongue.gif /images/graemlins/wink.gif

(and before anybody gets all pissed off at me, the last sentance was a joke /images/graemlins/wink.gif )

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Arcturus said:

After checking out their price point, I'm going to have to say a definite no. Regardless of whether or not it's bilingual.

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Hmmm...well, I signed up. Here's hoping for a bilingual release (Though I doubt it... /images/graemlins/relief1.gif And why am I supporting the Sub community? They hate me. /images/graemlins/relief1.gif Ah well...)

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How can we support the show but at the same time convince them to lower the price?

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Hopefully they are smart enough to look at fan communities and see the reaction to their patition. If not then I don't know. If the only option is 2K or nothing I think they should stick with nothing and put English subs on the r2. The only people that are going to be interested in this at this price are the REALLY hardcore fans, who they will still reach with English subs on the R2 DVD, no need for a 'american' version Esp a sub only expensive as heck American version.

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I don't believe they would actually price the boxset that expensive in US.


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sadly that seems to be their intent (likely to prevent Japanese importing of a cheaper American version. which I'm sure they are scared of with this set).

I REALLY don't like paying a premium price for a half assed English release and a sub only release is half assed in my book.

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To clarify on the pricing, IIRC the Japanese release was a subscription thing. You paid so much a month and got your DVD (or two) in return.

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i can see that (and no matter what the price per disk is this would have to be done). However they still need to drop the price per disk by about 10 bucks and offer some ways to get 'average' fans interested.

[iserlohn]

That survey's info is a bit out of date. The Japanese release has already been produced, finished, and shipped to folks who subscribed and put in their money already. It's bilingual (Japanese/Chinese audio and Chinese subs), and came in seven boxes, shipped at regular intervals. Tokuma's now getting ready to do mini-boxes (four, each one will have a season of the main series and either the movies or a set of gaiden episodes, each box ranging from ¥48,500 to around ¥86,100) and individual R2 discs.

All without English. Methinks that Tokuma missed the boat bigtime by not including English on the R2...and like I said before, the easiest way to make things drop is to be at the AX panel and tell the staff that they need to drop the price.

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the easiest way to make things drop is to be at the AX panel and tell the staff that they need to drop the price.


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See if i had 2000 dollers in disposable income i'd be willing to fly out and tell them this :D

[voards]

Thanks for the tip, Chris.

I've only been waiting for this since back in the days of Animag. I remember reading the episode summaries and really wanting to catch a subbed release of the show.

Iserlohn, thanks for the heads-up on a panel at AX. I've not seen anything about an LoGH panel at AX before now. I've been at AX mainly for this panel the last couple years to show my support, so I'll now be going to the con. I'll speak up about how different payment and release options will attract more possible buyers.

-voards

[leongsh]

I desperately want to get Legend of Galactic Heroes but the price of the Japanese R2 DVDs (¥231,000 /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif &lt;<font color="red">ACK!</font>) really puts it out of my reach. If they are going to release the R1 DVDs exactly like the Japanese R2 DVDs (but with English subtitles) in the same manner and at the same price (USD1,925 /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif &lt;<font color="red">ACK!</font>&gt;), I will unfortunately have to give it a miss.

Now, if we can get them in multiple boxsets of, say, 4-6 DVDs each boxset which would make the series a more affordable reach each boxset, yes, I would definitely buy it to support it.

The very little I have managed to see of Legend of Galactic Heroes has intrigued me no end.

[Lord_Satorious]

You know, I'd buy Legend of Galactic Heroes and I might be willing to buy the entire thing in one straight shot for that price. But I don't think they're going to make it. $1500+ is too much for the average otaku to spend. Hell, I spend that much at the big conventions in the dealer's room (and I know many others who do as well), but DVDs aren't like rare toys and other merchandise. So I don't see these people reaching the 1500 interested individuals. I signed up for it, but it does't seem like many others have. The price is the big issue. From the fourty episodes and two movies I have, Legend of Galactic Heroes is epic on a scale like nothing else. However, how much of an audience do retro space political dramas have? This is a series for AnimEigo all the way, but it doesn't seem to be nearly as well-known as Macross, You're Under Arrest! and Urusei Yatsura.

[GyBaNO]

I've been interested in this one for awhile myself, but that price tag on it is scary, too damn scary! These guys need to get a clue about how the anime market is dealt with over here(i.e. lower priced DVD's). Oh well............

[c_julio]

I'm going to sign up for this as well, but I am disappointed in the way that this is currently set up. As of right now, they're just taking names and personal information, and saying "This is how it will be released, one big set at this price point." There is no e-mail address on their web page, and there is no additional box at the bottom to input comments on. So there's next to no way to say that their price point is ridiculous.

No matter how good the disc may be, there's no way I'd pay $41 per disc for a release. It needs to be dropped to a competitive price with the other R1 releases. At the industry standard of $29.95 per disc, that would bring the entire series to just over $1400, and that would be the most I would consider paying.

But, regardless... I am going to show my interest, because if we don't... what are the chances we'll ever see this stateside otherwise?

[iserlohn]

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voards said:
Iserlohn, thanks for the heads-up on a panel at AX. I've not seen anything about an LoGH panel at AX before now. I've been at AX mainly for this panel the last couple years to show my support, so I'll now be going to the con. I'll speak up about how different payment and release options will attract more possible buyers.


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NP. I want to say it's really early on Friday (10am rings a bell to me, if AX starts on Thursday it would be OK/make sense), but I can't confirm - I deleted the post from AX Staff on the LoGH ML. I know that the translator will be at the panel, and probably both the producers as well. Oh, and don't forget to ask when Mr. Tanaka is going to write those last two novels...

[Thanatos]

Hey, everybody, here's a secret:

even if you have absolutely not interest in buying this, sign up for it anyway. Then the people who DO want it will get it and the company won't turn a profit because they demanded an unreasonable price. Result: fans win; LOGH on DVD in USA. The promise is in no way legally-binding.

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But, regardless... I am going to show my interest, because if we don't... what are the chances we'll ever see this stateside otherwise?

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Exactly.
I would rather want to see that expensive set coming here than nothing at all.
If we lose this chance, it might never make it to here.

[bee]

Survey says : TOO expensive!

I realize that this is aimed at the most hardcore of the hardcore, but still...

[Arcturus]

Yeesh...hope you can afford it, then. I sure can't.

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Thanatos said:
Hey, everybody, here's a secret:

even if you have absolutely not interest in buying this, sign up for it anyway. Then the people who DO want it will get it and the company won't turn a profit because they demanded an unreasonable price. Result: fans win; LOGH on DVD in USA. The promise is in no way legally-binding.

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Actually, I wouldn't be so sure. I'm not a lawyer or anything, but it's got the feel of a contract. Just because there's no fine print doesn't mean it's not legally binding.

John.

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greydt said:
I'm all over this! /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif Legends of the Galactic Heroes has been one of those "holy grail" titles back when I started to get into anime.

I guess this well weed out the faint of heart, and those not hardcore enough... /images/graemlins/tongue.gif /images/graemlins/wink.gif

(and before anybody gets all pissed off at me, the last sentance was a joke /images/graemlins/wink.gif )

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Actually, I think you make a good point. That being said, I'll gladly cry 'uncle', and admit I'm not otaku enough to plop down nearly $2000 for a show sight unseen.

John.

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Actually, I wouldn't be so sure. I'm not a lawyer or anything, but it's got the feel of a contract. Just because there's no fine print doesn't mean it's not legally binding.


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No, it is not legally binding.
It's not a contract or anything.
Don't get scared!
I signed up myself but there is no way I will be bound by that.

[BigFire]

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Chris Beveridge said:
Attention: Legends of Galactic Heroes needs YOU! (08:15 PM EST): That's right you hardcore fans and those of you who have been won over by Crest of the Stars and Banner of the Stars. You have a chance to make anime history. The producer of Legends of Galactic Heroes and the rights holder of the series (110 main story episodes, 54 side story episodes, and 3 features) want to deliver an American release, subtitled and using brand new prints, some areas of which where new footage had to be created from scratch. But this is a pony up kind of deal, similar to AnimEigo's early DVD days and their hardcore fan acquisitions. A survey has been posted by the producer on their site to find out what level of interest and committment there is among US fans. All I know is what's been posted there and what I've said here. I hope that there's enough people like myself that will jump into this with me!

www.gineigoods.com/form (http://www.gineigoods.com/form)

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No brainer for me. Fill it out in less than 30 seconds.

[BigFire]

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bee said:
Survey says : TOO expensive!

I realize that this is aimed at the most hardcore of the hardcore, but still...

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You can follow my forumla that I used to save up $2500 for a laptop. Put away $150 per week. In 13 weeks, you will have enough to buy it.

[lyndaf]

Not at that price. And especially since there will be no dub.

L

[Arcturus]

I don't think it would be fair to fill out a form pledging my support when in fact I have no intention to support the title at its current price point and release format.

[GyBaNO]

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bee said:
Survey says : TOO expensive!

I realize that this is aimed at the most hardcore of the hardcore, but still...

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You can follow my forumla that I used to save up $2500 for a laptop. Put away $150 per week. In 13 weeks, you will have enough to buy it.

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Hmmmmm, I don't even make that much in a week. Your logic has no logical meaning whatsoever! Oui! /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[ferricide]

this needs to be explained better.

it should also conform to an R1 pricing scheme. i'd pay $30 a disc, even, despite the fact i never pay MSRP for anything. i mean, honestly, what's the last R1 release you really paid $30 a disc for .. let alone $41?

if this is a subscription to a series that comes out over a lengthy time frame i'd be interested. if it's a lump sum, there's absolutely no chance.

i don't care about a dub so that's not my sticking point.

further, i'd like the option to cancel the subscription. i know so little about this series, and "COTS SUXX0RZ! THIS RULZ!" is not in any way convincing me to purchase it. i've seen the first episode or two, and it looked promising but it could definitely go either way, as far as i can tell. at any rate, it would probably take a while to tell. the important thing is the ability to cancel the subscription if need be.

i don't care about whether it's a binding contract or not. they need to show me they're putting more thought and consideration into this before i'll sign up for anything.

hopefully some good can come out of AX. until then i'll be ignoring this signature page.

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Arcturus said:

Yeesh...hope you can afford it, then. I sure can't.

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Yeah, the money won't be a problem. Just hope they offer a nice package for this price.

[animeman]

Ouch. $1900 is a lot of money just for one series. For me, it is a real no for me. I simply can't afford $1900 devoted to one series. We can buy 12 different TV series of 26 episdoes in length for that amount of money. Poeple would be crazy to pay $1900. If I buy into this, I will blow 97% of my yearly budget of anime and manga.

[FigNewton]

God knows I WANT to support LoGH...it's been a holy grail for me for, god has it been 9 years? But there's no way I can support it like this. No. Way.

If the company really wants to do LoGH, they're gonna have to find a better way. My god... a $1900 lump sum?

Understand I want LoGH so bad, I'm sitting here contemplating a second job, just to fund it. But in the end I don't see them getting the support for it, so why bother?

If they could say, break it down into 6 box sets of about 8 DVDs at $200 per, seperated by a good 3 months each, then I'd be willing to listen. /images/graemlins/sad.gif

[Nuriko]

Signed up as well simply because everyone saids its better than CoTS which I dearly love. $2000 is steep, but I'll gladly sacrifice one year's worth of anime for this series alone. Plus, most anime coming out are just flashy without a solid story. I can get other R1 anime later on, but this seems like a one time deal.

If this goes according to plan, then we can watch this shortly after BoTS II is finished /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif Although, I rather prefer that BoTS never ends, lol

I definetly want to get this series but I need more info on the planned release before I'll sign up. Would you be able to pay in installments or is it one lump sum? If installments, how many and how often? Could I cancel my subscription or would I be locked in to buying the entire series?

$1900 is a lot of money for any series (more than a lot of fans spend in a year on anime). I think it'll be a very hard sell at that price in the American market. Hopefully there will be more info out of AX.

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but this seems like a one time deal.

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Yes, it is once a lifetime deal.
Let's just hope they become more reasonable with their price.

Only if they are willing to listen to us...

[Shsway]

Done and done.

I think Crest of the Stars is a wonderful, fresh show, and if its roots are to be found in Legend of Galactic Heroes, I will definitely want to check it out. I'd also like to give my friends here who are fans of the show something more to look forward to.

Like other folks, I echo the plea for a lower price.

That subscription cannot be legally binding.
The stated price is not even a firm price so.
Without definite terms, it cannot be legally binding.
It is missing critical elements to be a contract.
Don't worry and just sign up for now to show them our interest.

[lyndaf]

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iserlohn said:
The Japanese release has already been produced, finished, and shipped to folks who subscribed and put in their money already. It's bilingual (Japanese/Chinese audio and Chinese subs), and came in seven boxes, shipped at regular intervals.

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It was? Do you know if the Chinese audio was Cantonese or Mandarin? If the subs were traditional or simplified? Suddenly, I'm interested.

L

[Daiten_Aigan]

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Thanatos said:
Hey, everybody, here's a secret:

even if you have absolutely not interest in buying this, sign up for it anyway. Then the people who DO want it will get it and the company won't turn a profit because they demanded an unreasonable price. Result: fans win; LOGH on DVD in USA. The promise is in no way legally-binding.

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While it may not be legally binding, don't you feel wrong about signing up for something you have no intention of buying? Not to mention that this company will be falsely expecting people to pay exuberant prices for this series... so you'd be causing this company who's thinking about getting into the US anime business to fail with their first effort. I'd rather have another new anime company that has an idea what fans want rather than a ignorant company that collapses as soon as it starts. Why do you want to screw over this company? More US anime companies = more anime in the US. I really dislike this attitude that this is some faceless corporation and "let's screw them for pricing this too high" idea. How would you like it if you were let go from the company because of this failed endeavor? Maybe it's just too late and I'm rambling, but this sort of pisses me off.

For that price, I'd expect a real japanese girl to be included in the set...

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gpn said:
Are they expecting that two-grand all at once? That would be a deal breaker for me despite wanting to see this show very much.

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[Arcturus]

Exactly. Let the people who actually are commited to buying it sign up. Otherwise, we'll just be giving them misleading data.

[spooncivicR]

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nykk79 said:
That subscription cannot be legally binding.
The stated price is not even a firm price so.
Without definite terms, it cannot be legally binding.
It is missing critical elements to be a contract.
Don't worry and just sign up for now to show them our interest.




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Exactly...

[jeleinen]

I signed up. I figure it's either this or import it, which would be even more expensive. Plus, I'd have to wait on translations for episodes past 42. I'm also going to go with the assumption that they'll offer installments like they did for the Japanese.

[Zorak]

As it stands now, I'd have to pass on this one. $1925 is way to much, especially for a series I know nothing about. And even if I did have that much immediate disposable income, I'm not sure if I'd spend it on anime DVD's.

[Wakaba]

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nykk79 said:
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but this seems like a one time deal.

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Yes, it is once a lifetime deal.
Let's just hope they become more reasonable with their price.

Only if they are willing to listen to us...




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I'm a poor teenager with no job, and I'd love to try the series, but I guess not. The only problem is, when I do grow up and do have money to buy the DVDs I never caught up with now, how do I catch up on things like this? I mean I took *so* much to get the KOR TV Box Set, how do I get with things like this? I'm sure on ebay 10 years from now if this works it'll cost 5k, and I hate the thought of that. Ah well, can't have everything you want. At least this isn't something like Utena, if I never saw it in my life I'd cry...

[LOUiE]

Thanks for letting us knwo about it Chris. I'm getting it because the show rocks. I'll have to agree though, that the price is a bit too steep. I'll pay any price, but if they want a good number of people to get it, they're really gonna have to lower it. Luckily, this survey is just to show support for getting this show so I'm hoping people will sign up now. Just because they put their name and address on this thing doesn't mean you're committing to buying the whole thing, especially at that price. Please sign up if you have any interest at all in this show.

[ QUOTE ]
I'm hoping people will sign up now. Just because they put their name and address on this thing doesn't mean you're committing to buying the whole thing, especially at that price. Please sign up if you have any interest at all in this show.

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Exactly!
The stated price is not even definite.
They are merely asking us if we are willing to buy it even if the set costs that much.
I don't think they will release it at that price unless they want to fail the business.

Calm down.
Nobody is trying to screw up their business.
The stated price is not even definite.
They are merely asking us if we would be interested in buying the set even if it costs as much as R2 release.
And we are merely signing up to show them we are very much interested in buying the set even if it's more expensive than average R1 DVDs.

People can always change their minds right?
Even if you buy an item, you can always return it for full refund.
That's just how business works.

If they don't produce satisfying product at an acceptable price, then we don't have to buy it.
That subscription thing is NOT A CONTRACT!

[Mr. Nail Bat]

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nykk79 said:
That subscription thing is NOT A CONTRACT!

[/ QUOTE ]\

Holy hell, how many times are you going to say that? /images/graemlins/horse.gif

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Holy hell, how many times are you going to say that?

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As long as people don't stop worrying about committing themselves to buy the set.

[JeffUlmer]

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nykk79 said:
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but this seems like a one time deal.

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Yes, it is once a lifetime deal.

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That I highly doubt, although they'd like you to believe it. They have a property they want to sell. There is a growing North American market. At some point, someone will bring it over. The pricing right now is way out of line for this market. Even at half that price they are eliminating a huge market segment. They should look at ADV's pricing on sub only series for a clue as to how to address this market.

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At some point, someone will bring it over.

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Maybe, but I don't see anyone picking up such a niche old title with 160+ episodes in any forseeable future though.

With so much new flashy titles coming out these days, there will be less and less chance for this old series to be brought over here as time goes by.

If this survey fails, then certainly there will be less possibility for this series being released in R1.

This could well be the only chance for R1 release.

[scarrow]

Thanks for getting the word out on this, I'd hate to have missed a chance to get this great series out over here. Cripes, I paid about $120 per LaserDisc for the Japanese series, so anything less seems like a bargain to me.

There are few true anime space operas out there and Legend of the Galatic Heroes is the biggest and the best.

[Chris Beveridge]

I figured you'd join in on this one. I was already sorely tempted by the R2 boxes that aren't subtitled, so this is a no brainer for me.

As it stands the bang for your buck factor is less then half of current titles. It is true that the cost per DVD lowers with a higher replication run.

I will wait until firmer details are provided before joining the survey. Currently the survey is just too misleading for the distributor. It flat out states that by filling out this survey you are willing to buy the collection at the approximate price given. Is this green eggs &amp; ham, or a Klondike bar.

I think for the survey to be successful they will need to change what is offered. For the UY series Animego gave a price breakdown per set, based on the number of orders received. Perhaps the survey should take a poll as well as just marking interest. Once filled out the survey could then show a price breakdown based on options selected:
With your options
For 1500 orders price = x.
For 5000 orders price = y. <font color="blue"> </font> <font color="blue"> </font>

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Even if you buy an item, you can always return it for full refund.

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most places don't acept returns for dvd's unless it's for the exact same thing. Like i said before by signing this you are surporting the price point they have set. I'd rather it not come here than for it to come here for 2K

[Gatts]

I can't believe I missed this on the main page. I also can't believe how much they are charging at once. Hmm... I could afford it, but that's a bit extreme of a sum at this moment. I just bought an HDTV and have several outstanding large R2 purchases. It would be insane for me to spend any more money until I pay off what I owe right now.

[Thanatos]

For those who are upset at the price, write/call/email the producer and say that while you'd be interested in the price, it is far too unreasonable to ask $41 per DVD. If the pricing scheme was $30 for retail and the DVDs would be distributed in stores (iow, not LOGH website only for retail only) then you would be interested in buying it.

This is the first time I hear of this series. It sound like an awsome show. I have to agree with most of the people here. $1900 is kind if hard in all one payment, considering that is almost all my budget for 2 months of anime. I hope they can lower the price or release it in seasonal boxes.

[FigNewton]

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Thanatos said:
For those who are upset at the price, write/call/email the producer and say that while you'd be interested in the price,

[/ QUOTE ]

I'd be happy too, but can you provide contact information? There's none on the site, and without that we have no form of response other than this forum (and who knows if anyone that needs to know is reading it).

[Legion]

Wow... $1900 US is expensive... especially for a Canadian like me. It'd probably add up to over $4000 when all's said and done. That's just.. wow.. I've only ever *seen* that much money all at once, nevermind actually having it..

[Caesar]

Looks like they're gonna whore out your personal information as well

[michaelwb]

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Chris Beveridge said:
Attention: Legends of Galactic Heroes needs YOU! (08:15 PM EST): That's right you hardcore fans and those of you who have been won over by Crest of the Stars and Banner of the Stars. You have a chance to make anime history. The producer of Legends of Galactic Heroes and the rights holder of the series (110 main story episodes, 54 side story episodes, and 3 features) want to deliver an American release, subtitled and using brand new prints, some areas of which where new footage had to be created from scratch. But this is a pony up kind of deal, similar to AnimEigo's early DVD days and their hardcore fan acquisitions. A survey has been posted by the producer on their site to find out what level of interest and committment there is among US fans. All I know is what's been posted there and what I've said here. I hope that there's enough people like myself that will jump into this with me!

www.gineigoods.com/form (http://www.gineigoods.com/form)

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What's that Chris, you say you'll buy a free copy for the first 1500 people to sign up? /images/graemlins/cool.gif

Kidding....

More seriously. I'm tempted but I won't drop $1900 on a sight unseen series. They've got to break up into smaller bundles and lower the price per disc if they want me on board.

[Loafy]

What the hell? i thought it was a survey. i didn't even read anything before i filled out my info. I can't pay $1900 for that? they can't actually expect me too. I take it that isn't legally binding in any way, is it? Didn't put down my address either. I would be very interested in testing this series, as in buying the first disc or a first box set. But expecting people to commit to the whole thing in one fell swoop for that price is retarded. I would never drop that kind of money on one show at one time. I do hope they realize there's enough intrest to release it here domestically but as it is I will pass on this.

[Daiten_Aigan]

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nykk79 said:
Calm down.
Nobody is trying to screw up their business.
The stated price is not even definite.
They are merely asking us if we would be interested in buying the set even if it costs as much as R2 release.


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That's not how I read it. It specifically says that you're going to pay their stated price for these discs when they release it. They're obviously trying to get a feel for the market.

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People can always change their minds right?
Even if you buy an item, you can always return it for full refund.
That's just how business works.


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Businesses also have to make money. If they drop a huge chunk of change on bringing this over here and then find that their market has disappeared, then they're not going to even get back their original investment, much less turn a profit. Best case scenario, they never try to release a series in the US again. Worst case scenario, they go under. If you look at it at even R1 prices, it's something like $1500 for the set. If they wanted 1500 signatures, you can see how much money it would take to do it (at R1 prices, ~$2.25 million; at their asking price, ~$3 million).

[ QUOTE ]

If they don't produce satisfying product at an acceptable price, then we don't have to buy it.
That subscription thing is NOT A CONTRACT!


[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, people can change their minds. But this survey is specific in trying to find out if there is a market for this series over here at R2 prices. By putting the "promise" part in, they're just trying to weed out the people who either don't want or can't afford it.

You keep saying it's not a contract. But really, are you willing to put down $2k if/when they release it? If not, you shouldn't sign the petition. (Unless they either change it, add more information, or provide some contact information.) If they figure out that there is a market, but people aren't willing to pay those kind of prices, then they'll probably figure out a way to put it out over here in a format that the fans want. Again, businesses want to make money, and if they see a market they'll go for it.

I'm sorry if I seem out of line; it just seems to me that at this point, this company is trying to figure out if they can sell this series in the US at their price. If they get 3000 signatures and half of them actually buy it, then that's great; the more anime over here, the better. I just don't think we should be giving them false information.

[Kabong]

Dear god! Even if I figure in a TRSI pre-order price and the GA discount, that series is STILL more than a quarter of the price of my car. I dig anime, but no series is worth that much.

Yeah, I did indeed drop a hefty chunk o' change on the second season of Lupin - more than any sane Otaku (is that an oximoron?) would consider - but that show was a known variable to me. This one, well I've only heard the name thrown about during the old school anime days. Beyond that - nothing.

So, can anyone point me (and presumably the other readers in the dark) to a web page with an episode guide and some plot details?

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Matt said:
For that price, I'd expect a real japanese girl to be included in the set...

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gpn said:
Are they expecting that two-grand all at once? That would be a deal breaker for me despite wanting to see this show very much.

[/ QUOTE ]

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LOL. Yeah, that would go a long way to getting me to save up for this set /images/graemlins/happy.gif.

John.

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nykk79 said:
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Actually, I wouldn't be so sure. I'm not a lawyer or anything, but it's got the feel of a contract. Just because there's no fine print doesn't mean it's not legally binding.


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No, it is not legally binding.
It's not a contract or anything.
Don't get scared!
I signed up myself but there is no way I will be bound by that.



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Does their web site say that this is not legally binding? Maybe you should run this by a lawyer before making these judgments (unless you're a lawyer yourself, of course).

John.

[Chris Beveridge]

http://www.logh.net/

[klart]

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Caesar said:
Looks like they're gonna whore out your personal information as well

[/ QUOTE ]

I thought the same thing when I read the Privacy Policy.

[MalrocK]

Ah what the hell /images/graemlins/happy.gif I just signed up also. I figured, hey I've spent that in a month before during my blurry, must buy everything days right before x-mas /images/graemlins/sad.gif

[ QUOTE ]
Looks like they're gonna whore out your personal information as well

[/ QUOTE ]

well that's one way to fund the release

[Musicman]

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Arcturus said:
I don't think it would be fair to fill out a form pledging my support when in fact I have no intention to support the title at its current price point and release format.

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I feel exactly like him on the price issue. I want this series but not at that price.

I'm thinking they need to rethink their payment plans. There's no way I'm going to pay one lump sum like that...spread out the payments and lower the price for the series and I'll sign on.

[Galexia]

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nykk79 said:
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At some point, someone will bring it over.

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Maybe, but I don't see anyone picking up such a niche old title with 160+ episodes in any forseeable future though.

With so much new flashy titles coming out these days, there will be less and less chance for this old series to be brought over here as time goes by.

[/ QUOTE ]

What about shows like Hana Yori Dango and Marmalade Boy? They probably didn't have a following the size of Lum, but they are old titles and they've been liscensed here in the US. Everyone thought that S and SuperS seasons of Sailor Moon would never be on TV Stateside either. Heck, we even thought that they would never even Release an uncut version of the first two seasons. The words "when heck freezes over" always followed these thoughts. It has all happened. SM started a little over 10 years ago, I think Marmalade Boy is from around the same time frame. I'm guessing LOGH is from the late 80's. Harder things have happened before.

I'm really interested in seeing this series, but to plunk down so much money at one time for something sight-unseen is not a good idea for me personally. How many people are attending AX and this panel? Could someone possibly suggest that we are interested, but want some kind of 'subscription' like Animeigo's releases where we don't give the lump sum all at once? Could someone provide a list of forums for these people to look at and see what the average anime fan in the States is thinking about this release?

As it stands now, I will not fill out their survey (although it isn't a survey). That's just too much money and too much of a commitment. They should really partner with AnimEigo and structure their realease similar to what AE is doing with Urusei Yatsura and You're Under Arrest. I've not seen any of this show before, but it sounds like something I would like and I would be willing to blind-buy a $100 four-disc/16-episode set to give it a try. Too bad their "survey" does not include a space for feedback.

[bthomsen]

1925 for 47 DVD's plus 2 Special

Thats $39.29 per dvd. Thats way too high. Even if they broke it up into 5 or 6 disc sets 40$ per disk in the US, no way.

[Nuriko]

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iserlohn said:
The Japanese release has already been produced, finished, and shipped to folks who subscribed and put in their money already. It's bilingual (Japanese/Chinese audio and Chinese subs), and came in seven boxes, shipped at regular intervals.

[/ QUOTE ]

It was? Do you know if the Chinese audio was Cantonese or Mandarin? If the subs were traditional or simplified? Suddenly, I'm interested.

L

[/ QUOTE ]

OMFG, I would love to know as well! hmmm on second thought, I don't think Cantonese dub works well with space sci/fi series. However, they are exceptionally great for fighting series like RK, YYH, HXH and even Sailormoon, lol

[Vertical_Ed]

yup no contact info to be found so its kinda hard to get out the word that there are issues holding back quite a few interested potential customers.

[LOUiE]

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harlock_jds said:
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Even if you buy an item, you can always return it for full refund.

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most places don't acept returns for dvd's unless it's for the exact same thing. Like i said before by signing this you are surporting the price point they have set. I'd rather it not come here than for it to come here for 2K

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No, by not signing this, you are saying you have no interest in this series being here at all. If they get enough people interested in this, they will lower the price. They also said that was the possible price, not the definite price.

[JeffUlmer]

While AnimEigo seems like the obvious choice, I'd prefer to see ADV get in on this. To start with, they are far more capable of producing a dub in a timely manner than AnimEigo is, and for this series to even stand a chance in the US market, it needs a dub. second, ADV is far better at competitive pricing, which could help ensure that the series actually is successful over here.

From what has been said, they already have the video masters necessary, but didn't have enough forethoght to include English subs on the R2 release, so the whole thing needs reauthoring. I think it would be far more prudent to break this into manageable sets over a period of time, with a proper dub, and an aggressive pricing structure, since the number of people willing to buy into a 20+ disc series is limited without some good incentive.

[Thanatos]

Um, but neither Hana Yori Dango nor Marmalade Boy has come over here yet. MB has been delayed for what, a year now? Bad examples, and there is no garantee their releases won't be fux0r3d like Initial D. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

For the last time, the survey is not a legally-binding contract. There is no way Tokuma (sp?) is going to take you to court saying "we wish this individual to pay us $XX.XX since he promised to buy an undetermined amount of DVDs at an undetermined price at an undetermined time and place."

And this is Tokuma we're talking about. This is not some new American distributor. They are only trying to release LOGH here and nothing else. If LOGH is a commerical flop, they may never release anything else here, but as it stands, they have no intention to. There are here ONLY for LOGH.

[LOUiE]

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Jeff Ulmer said:
While AnimEigo seems like the obvious choice, I'd prefer to see ADV get in on this. To start with, they are far more capable of producing a dub in a timely manner than AnimEigo is, and for this series to even stand a chance in the US market, it needs a dub. second, ADV is far better at competitive pricing, which could help ensure that the series actually is successful over here.

[/ QUOTE ]
From what I can tell, this set will not in any way go retail.They didn't in Japan and why would they here. The fact is no company wants to jump on this show because I believe it really is the most expensive license to obtain, which is why the rights' holders are doing this release. They want people to see this show and since they won't budge on their license price, they are releasing it themselves.

[ QUOTE ]
While AnimEigo seems like the obvious choice, I'd prefer to see ADV get in on this. To start with, they are far more capable of producing a dub in a timely manner than AnimEigo is, and for this series to even stand a chance in the US market, it needs a dub. second, ADV is far better at competitive pricing, which could help ensure that the series actually is successful over here.

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree, a lot of people have been sayiing that AnimEigo would be perfect but i don't see them offering it at that much of a discount over the current plan and we would still be stuck with a sub only release at a high price.

On the other hand this would be a pretty good fit for the anime network.

[sman]

At even the possible thought of $1925 for all of it, I can't see that many fans willingly hop in for the longhaul.

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harlock_jds said:

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Am i the only person sick and tired of hearing about Azumanga?

[/ QUOTE ]

Nope. I am as well.

Just as a note, it looks like Jeff Kleist has some connections with the guys pushing for a US release, and he says that they are trying to do something with the price.

I have a feeling that AX is going to be the place to make your opinion known.

I've signed up, tho I'm not going to pay at that price. They don't have my credit card, so they can't charge me anything.

Jason

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LOUiE said:
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Jeff Ulmer said:
While AnimEigo seems like the obvious choice, I'd prefer to see ADV get in on this. To start with, they are far more capable of producing a dub in a timely manner than AnimEigo is, and for this series to even stand a chance in the US market, it needs a dub. second, ADV is far better at competitive pricing, which could help ensure that the series actually is successful over here.

[/ QUOTE ]
From what I can tell, this set will not in any way go retail.They didn't in Japan and why would they here. The fact is no company wants to jump on this show because I believe it really is the most expensive license to obtain, which is why the rights' holders are doing this release. They want people to see this show and since they won't budge on their license price, they are releasing it themselves.

[/ QUOTE ]

I wonder how much they might be asking for the license. It must be in the 10 million mark which is probably why nobody is touching it. If they do a limited release of 1500 they are looking at about 2.9 millions at the $1900 price. If I were them I would sell the rights for 3 million and be done with it, they could also ask for a porcentage of the sales. I can understand why they did the subscription thing in Japan, the series probably would not have been profitable for the Japanese Market if they had licensed it at their asking price.

[alexd00]

[ QUOTE ]
No, by not signing this, you are saying you have no interest in this series being here at all.

[/ QUOTE ]
If that's the way they're going to interpret my non-signing of the "survey", then (unfortunately) I guess that's the way it's going to be. I'm certainly interested in the series, but I simply cannot make that kind of commitment at this time. Whether or not the survey is legally binding or not is irrelevant to me - the form asks if I "promise to purchase the Legend of the Galactic Heroes DVD set" at a price that "may likely remain about the same" as the Japanese price of approximately $1,925. Right now, the answer is no.


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If they get enough people interested in this, they will lower the price.

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If/ when they come right out and say so, I may add my name to the list depending on the various price points. The form is (intentionally?) vague and I will not sign it as it currently stands.

[MikeBreen]

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nykk79 said:
That's not a contract or anything.
Don't get scared!
We just need to sign up to show our support~!!

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't know, man, this looks an awful lot like a contract to me:

"I will take this survey, which I indicate my promise to purchase the Legend of the Galactic Heroes DVD set (subtitled version) when it comes out."

Even in a strong economy, two grand is too much. You know it's expensive when someone who goes into "Ol' anime Fart" mode whenever someone complains about 3 eps per disk at $30 thinks it's too much. /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif The market won't sustain even a quality series like LoGH at that price. They need to break it up (season boxed sets would be nice), cut the price at *least* in half, and dub it extremely well (no half-assed Bandai-esque CotS dub, a show of this calibre needs an Animaze dub).

Reading over this thread I think there's an awful lot of people who feel like me - willing to sign the petition, but unwilling at that price. Unfortunately, I have a feeling that the probable lack of response to this survey will not be interpreted as a testament to the infeasibility of their release strategy and price, but will be taken as a general lack of interest in a legitimate R1 release.

[c_julio]

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niche_manga_reader said:
Not at that price. And especially since there will be no dub.

[/ QUOTE ]

Says who? The webpage specifically says that "be making a new English version for an American release". It says nothing about subtitles, or dubs. Until some more detail is released, speculation going one way or the other does nothing to convince me of what will happen as far as language options. All I know is it'll be in English one way or another.

[Tsubaki]

Did anyone go to the LoGH panel at Fanime? What kind of info was given out there? I went to the LoGH panel last year and they wanted to bring the series out here but wasn't sure about interest.

Oh and for those of ya who only know the series by the pricetag, you don't know what you're missing. It's a lot of money and yeah.. I do hope it can be paid in installments. But the show is far more than just entertainment. There's nothing else like it.

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Chris Beveridge said:
http://www.logh.net/

[/ QUOTE ]

Wow! I checked that website! I was getting goosebumps just reading the background story of the show. EPIC!!!!! I am ready to cough the cash now! I hope it comes out!

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c_julio said:
Says who? The webpage specifically says that "be making a new English version for an American release". It says nothing about subtitles, or dubs. Until some more detail is released, speculation going one way or the other does nothing to convince me of what will happen as far as language options. All I know is it'll be in English one way or another.

[/ QUOTE ]

Er, actually it does. Quoted from the site:
[ QUOTE ]

This survey is for a subtitled release.


[/ QUOTE ]

[iserlohn]

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Mike Breen said:
They need to break it up (season boxed sets would be nice), cut the price at *least* in half, and dub it extremely well (no half-assed Bandai-esque CotS dub, a show of this calibre needs an Animaze dub).


[/ QUOTE ]

How ironic that you said that - the preview dub (eps 51-52, shown at a handful of cons and clubs) was done by Ocean. I found it to be competent and enjoyable (it was episodes I hadn't seen before), but certainly not inspiring.

I honestly don't know who I'd give this to. Usually I'd say Coastal, but they're 1)going bye-bye, and 2)weren't really the heavy/serious studio of choice...then again I doubt I'd ever watch the dub anyways, the Japanese characters are too ingrained after 128 episodes for me to accept others.he

re: half the price...that would put it more in the Ranma price range (Ranma is what, $890 MSRP for all 7 season? Add in the movies/OAVs and it would be about the same...) I still think the best options would be 1)produce the discs in Japan and use Pioneer or ADV to get the discs into stores (movies separately, then boxes with box 1 holding the movies and golden wings), and 2)get it on TV. I'd say Showtime, PBS, or International/MHz would be great places to show it.

What a lot of people fail to understand about the high cost of LoGH is also that it cost a small fortune when it first came out, even by Japanese standards. This is a show with little merchandising (a few video games and fancy knick-nakcs like bookends) or corporate sponsorship, and was produced over ten years as an OAV. At the beginning of each season, subscriptions would be placed and subscribers would get an episode on VHS every week with LD subscribers getting their boxes when everything was finished. It was only after the end of season 4 that the anime started airing on TV, where it's become Japan's equivelant of Dr. Who - two episodes every other week late Saturday night. All that adds up to an expensive, fan produced series.

I'll save the paranoia about incompleteness rant for anotr reply, this one's long enough.

[MikeBreen]

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Jeff Ulmer said:
The pricing right now is way out of line for this market. Even at half that price they are eliminating a huge market segment. They should look at ADV's pricing on sub only series for a clue as to how to address this market.

[/ QUOTE ]

It seems like another case of "nobody screws up anime in the US quite like the Japanese."

It really sounds like they're not gonna budge all that much on the pricing, thinking that what worked in Japan will work in the US. Sorry, two different markets, two different sustainable price points. $25 MSRP per disk is a no-brainer. $41 - no way. Oh well, I guess I'll never see the whole thing. /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

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Gabriel said:

Er, actually it does. Quoted from the site:

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This survey is for a subtitled release.

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Oh well...at least I have my health.

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Flood said:
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Gabriel said:

Er, actually it does. Quoted from the site:

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This survey is for a subtitled release.

[/ QUOTE ]

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/images/graemlins/cry00000.gif /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

Oh well...at least I have my health.

[/ QUOTE ]

A shame too...despite my earlier comments I probably would fork over the $2k if this got a good dub, as I'm not primarily a sub watcher. Unfortunately, without a general retail release, it probably just wouldn't make financial sense to dub it. Ah well, we can only hope /images/graemlins/happy.gif

[ QUOTE ]
Gabriel said:

[ QUOTE ]
Flood said:

[ QUOTE ]
Gabriel said:

Er, actually it does. Quoted from the site:

[ QUOTE ]
This survey is for a subtitled release.

[/ QUOTE ]

[/ QUOTE ]

/images/graemlins/cry00000.gif /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

Oh well...at least I have my health.

[/ QUOTE ]

A shame too...despite my earlier comments I probably would fork over the $2k if this got a good dub, as I'm not primarily a sub watcher. Unfortunately, without a general retail release, it probably just wouldn't make financial sense to dub it. Ah well, we can only hope /images/graemlins/happy.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Well I signed and I'll fork over the $2k even if there's no Dub. I'd love a good English Dub, but I think this deal is geared toward a "type" of anime fan ... not sure if I fall into that category, but the story is rather grabbing to me. I'm a "space" geek.

Ah well. /images/graemlins/relief1.gif I hope this deal goes through. Dub or no Dub, it looks great to me. Maybe the great Sub God in the sky will shine his subtitled smile down on me and give me good Dub karma that I can apply toward the next CCS movie.

[ QUOTE ]
Unfortunately, without a general retail release, it probably just wouldn't make financial sense to dub it.

[/ QUOTE ]

Even with a general retail release, this would be a tough show to dub. You are talking about a cast of over a hundred people for a really long series. If you think the price is expenseive now...

Jason

[whitefox]

Yes, ~$2000 is quite a bit of money for a show, even one as
great as LOGH (I've seen about 50-60% of it and it is damn
good). I still signed up anyway. I can afford it, although
it's a price that makes you reconsider (I think about 5-15
times I reconsidered), but it's not unfair considering that
it's a niche show and it has a lot of episodes (OAVs, side
stories, movies). It is, afterall, the longest oav series
ever done (wasn't originally shown on tv). It's not
like a comedy/romance show like Maison Ikkoku or Marmalade
Boy, which has great crossover appeal. LOGH is hardcore
scifi and very talky and very political. This doesn't have
cute mascots or gundam-like mecha. No jpop tunes, mostly
ballads and/or classical music from composers like Wagner, etc.
It is a hardsell. But to those of us who sometimes tire
of the all too typical comedy and light sf/fantasy shows,
this is the big alternative. Imho, COTS doesn't come even
close to this show. COTS is political sf for the kindergarten
class. LOGH is poli-sci class in college. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

To give an idea of how much the original box sets cost,
there were 4 boxes when I was watching it. The first I
remember going for around $6-700, the second thru fourth
went from $700-1000 each. I remember one friend who made
some nice change by selling each box for $1000/each (they
were OOP at the time in the mid-to-late 90s). So $3000-4000
for the original LD boxes, which I know a few people gladly
paid for, versus this DVD set which costs half that and
is subtitled at least. To those of us who remember the days
of anime being a really expensive hobby (Maison @ $2K anyone?),
then it's not too unreasonable.

But it is still pretty f**kin' expensive... /images/graemlins/happy.gif

--
whitefox

[JeffUlmer]

[ QUOTE ]
c_julio said:
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niche_manga_reader said:
Not at that price. And especially since there will be no dub.

[/ QUOTE ]

Says who? The webpage specifically says that "be making a new English version for an American release". It says nothing about subtitles, or dubs. Until some more detail is released, speculation going one way or the other does nothing to convince me of what will happen as far as language options. All I know is it'll be in English one way or another.

[/ QUOTE ]

Says the survey page. Read it again. It specifies sub only, which is currently not in English on the R2 release.

[JeffUlmer]

[ QUOTE ]
TheLongshot said:

Even with a general retail release, this would be a tough show to dub. You are talking about a cast of over a hundred people for a really long series. If you think the price is expenseive now...


[/ QUOTE ]
The flip side is that if they don't dub it, they have probably eliminated 80% or more of the potential market, so the brodaer sales base could well justify the cost, AND bring the cost per unit down at retail.

If there are only 1500 people willing to buy it, then the price will be high. Make that 15,000 and your costs are spread out a lot more.

While the license may be high, and the cost to produce high (though assumedly recouped through the subscription service, so all they are doing now is looking at recovering authoring/replication and profits), if they aren't selling it, it is worth nothing.

[tenton]

I signed it without much hesitation.

LoGH is one of those series that I don't think will make it here, outside of the preorder/subscription model.

LoGH in R1 with subs is one of those things that I thought that I could only dream about...

That's a big chunk of change...but I'd do it (I assume there will be installment plans like in Japan).

Tack me onto the "interested but it's WAY too expensive" list; $1900 is over a month and a half's income for me! Hell, I think that's about a third of the cost of my total collection (on another note, I'm a bit shocked I've spent THAT much money on anime DVDs in just a few years; I originally thought $1900 was a much higher fraction of my current value before checking my math, but ~205 DVDs really adds up, not counting soundtrack CDs, a few toys, and the shelves to hold 'em...). I may have winced and grabbed Macross and KOR, but this is a bit much! Maybe somebody should inform them our economy isn't THAT much better than Japan's at the moment /images/graemlins/happy.gif.

[ QUOTE ]
The flip side is that if they don't dub it, they have probably eliminated 80% or more of the potential market, so the brodaer sales base could well justify the cost, AND bring the cost per unit down at retail.

[/ QUOTE ]

That would be assuming that it is going to be sold at retail, which it never has. That's also assuming that 80% of anime fans out there are dub fans, which I'm not sure if that's true.

To be honest, this is a niche title. Luckily, they do seem to be trying to sell it to the right crowd. (SF fans)

Jason

[JeffUlmer]

[ QUOTE ]
TheLongshot said:

That would be assuming that it is going to be sold at retail, which it never has. That's also assuming that 80% of anime fans out there are dub fans, which I'm not sure if that's true.

To be honest, this is a niche title. Luckily, they do seem to be trying to sell it to the right crowd. (SF fans)


[/ QUOTE ]
Fair enough points all, but they are creating even more of a niche by only marketing direct at extreme prices and doing sub only. Hopefully they will either grasp the big picture or for your sake, have enough interest to warrant a sub only release. I still think they made a major mistake not subbing the R2, in which case they could have sold into R1 to the "must have at all costs" audience, while still allowing for a more standard R1 release a few years down the road. This way they either pay to reauthor simply to add subs, with little chance of a decent sales base, or don't release an English version at all.

[bctaris]

It seems Chris has been periodically going on about a US release of this show since the site started. /images/graemlins/wink.gif It would be nice to finally see that happen. In fact when I read the front page I remembered that I still had a three minute trailer that's been sitting on my computer for the last three years--looking at it again after all that time I have to say the show intrigues me more than it did originally.

I'd like to have the series, but not without a pricing plan similar to what I'm doing for my current epic purchase, Urusei Yatsura. I'll join in with many others and wait to see what comes out of AX.

-bctaris

[fourfour44]

the major question that never seems to be asked, or answered, is the issue of the novels

personally, I think they should translate and release the original novels, which will no doubt bring in a large following of sci-fi book fans (in addition to the Japanese animation fans)

then, for this larger pool of sci-fi otaku, as well as Japanese aniation otaku, I think it would be very easy to fund a R1 release of the series

after all, if sci-fi otaku don't have a problem spending thousands of dollars on Star Wars and Star Trek cosplay and such, it may be this sci-fi crowd (that may not necessarily be Japanese animation fans) that could be brought in with the novels and help to fund a reasonable release of the animation in R1

[iserlohn]

A quick note for all:

I've heard from reliable sources that this thread's reached the ears of someone associated with the release, and that he hopes everyone comes to the panel at AX (Friday, 10AM, Panel 3) to express their concerns and questions directly to the producers who will be in attendence.

[ QUOTE ]
iserlohn said:

I've heard from reliable sources that this thread's reached the ears of someone associated with the release, and that he hopes everyone comes to the panel at AX (Friday, 10AM, Panel 3) to express their concerns and questions directly to the producers who will be in attendence.

[/ QUOTE ]

That's great and all, but it would be a lot more useful if "someone associated" with this release would register a NIC here and field a few questions in this thread. Not that it isn't great that they'll be taking time during the panel (much appreciated /images/graemlins/happy.gif), but for the non-AX people...it might be a good will gesture.

[Daniel_Perales]

[ QUOTE ]
nykk79 said:
Calm down.
Nobody is trying to screw up their business.
The stated price is not even definite.
They are merely asking us if we would be interested in buying the set even if it costs as much as R2 release.
And we are merely signing up to show them we are very much interested in buying the set even if it's more expensive than average R1 DVDs.

People can always change their minds right?
Even if you buy an item, you can always return it for full refund.
That's just how business works.

If they don't produce satisfying product at an acceptable price, then we don't have to buy it.
That subscription thing is NOT A CONTRACT!



[/ QUOTE ]


These exact words from the web site:

&gt;I will take this survey, which I indicate my promise to purchase the Legend of the Galactic Heroes DVD set (subtitled version) when it comes out. Please let me know about information regarding the release or related information about Legend of the Galactic Heroes&lt;


It sures make it sounds like you have to commit to it, if you fill it out.

I will not sign it because (1)It's way too expensive. Especially for a series that I rarely know about. (2) It's way too long. If they decide to put a DVD volume once a month, it will take 3 years and eleven months to get it all. (3) No english dub.

Unless they change their game plan, I see that this series is already an R1 failure.



Danny

[dunno001]

[ QUOTE ]
Flood said:
That's great and all, but it would be a lot more useful if "someone associated" with this release would register a NIC here and field a few questions in this thread. Not that it isn't great that they'll be taking time during the panel (much appreciated /images/graemlins/happy.gif), but for the non-AX people...it might be a good will gesture.

[/ QUOTE ]

That's about the only way I could speak with them. I'm not going to AX, so I don't have that option. However, it does seem like something that I would be interested in if there was a reasonable way to pay for it at a more reasonable price. (Like that's not been said already...) I won't sign until I know I can get it for a better price.

[Sandstar]

[ QUOTE ]
Flood said:
[ QUOTE ]
Arcturus said:

Yeesh...hope you can afford it, then. I sure can't.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, the money won't be a problem. Just hope they offer a nice package for this price.

[/ QUOTE ]

They'd bloody well better gild it with gold for this price.

Hello all... just joined the forum to contribute to this thread.

It turns out I know at least one of the folks involved in the DVD production. He emailed me last night. He didn't want his name publicized just yet, but I think I can pass along the following comments from his email. For those concerned about the exact wording of the LoGH DVD survey and committing to spending nearly $2000 in a lump sum, he did have this to say:

[ QUOTE ]
So the guys in Japan have finally put a little survey
page ---- www.gineigoods.com/form (http://www.gineigoods.com/form)
Sure, the text will be updated and so on, and I'm sure
that the cost of the DVDs will go down a bit. They're
primarily interested in seeing how much interest there is.

Gineigoods is Kikukawa-san's new company. As you know
he's a little tied up with the AX-Tokyo stuff now, but
we all hope to produce the R1 DVD boxset soon.


[/ QUOTE ]

In short, I think he is aware that the wording of the page doesn't convey the right impression, that by signing up you are committing to a $2000 lump sum payment. I am sure that will be updated. Also he agrees that it would be better to break the release up into seasons, and at lower cost, etc. I don't think the complete set in one lump is going to end up being the final distribution method.

Since Mr. Kikukawa, the producer of the LoGH anime, should be at the AX03 LoGH panel I am sure more details on this will be disucssed.

[GyBaNO]

Its beginning to sound better to me now! Thats great! I would most definitely be able to handle a payment thingie. I sure hope that the prices a lowered a bit still! Heres hoping!

Hmmmm...

I wonder if they could get this out faster than Animeigo is putting out the UY Boxes!?!? Interesting.........

Five UY Boxes(possibly six) in nearly three years.

[Donovan]

[ QUOTE ]
Gabriel said:
Er, actually it does. Quoted from the site:
[ QUOTE ]

This survey is for a subtitled release.


[/ QUOTE ]


[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, but it doesn't say sub-only. A sub/dub release is also a subtitled release. The form also says:

[ QUOTE ]

We'd be making a new English version for an American release, so the price may likely remain about the same.


[/ QUOTE ]

There isn't an existing English subbed version to remake, but there may be an "international dub" sitting around someplace that needs remaking. Even if they don't mean "new" that way, the cost of subbing is nothing compared to the cost of dubbing. It seems like a dub is a much better excuse to use for the cost being high. The "this survey is for a subtitled release" could mean they don't care about dub interest yet, or that they want to emphasize it isn't unsubbed or dub-only.

Of course, the English of the person who put up the site isn't perfect so trying to extract such subtle details is rather pointless. I think all we can say right now is that a dub is not ruled out, but we are at least guaranteed a subbed Japanese version if they release it. Just as it is not 100% clear if they believe the promise to buy is binding, although it seems that it would NOT be legally binding as it does not constitute a firm offer. They promise neither price nor even an eventual release, so they can't be held to the "contract" any more than we can. To put it another way, a contract requires a "meeting of the minds", and there isn't one regarding price, features, or terms of payment/delivery for this less-than-an-offer.

The ethics of making such a promise if you don't intend to honor it are another matter, though I think everyone who signed was willing to buy if the unclear terms can be worked out acceptably. The site made something less than an actual offer to sell, and we replied with something less than an actual offer to buy. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

If anyone is going to AX, please add "soft subs" to the list of questions to ask. They may not realize how important those are even if this is a sub-only release, and might think hard subs would discourage reverse importation without impacting foreign sales.

[scarrow]

[ QUOTE ]
Donovan said:

If anyone is going to AX, please add "soft subs" to the list of questions to ask. They may not realize how important those are even if this is a sub-only release, and might think hard subs would discourage reverse importation without impacting foreign sales.

[/ QUOTE ]

I doubt it will be hard subbed. From the descriptions of others it sounds like the R2 release had Chinese as a soft sub language option. Also, more commonly hard subtitles are used in cases where an English company already has a hard subtitled master and no access to the original source material anymore. Still, it'd probably be best to make sure.

[lyndaf]

[ QUOTE ]
Nuriko said:
[ QUOTE ]
niche_manga_reader said:
It was? Do you know if the Chinese audio was Cantonese or Mandarin? If the subs were traditional or simplified? Suddenly, I'm interested.


[/ QUOTE ]

OMFG, I would love to know as well! hmmm on second thought, I don't think Cantonese dub works well with space sci/fi series. However, they are exceptionally great for fighting series like RK, YYH, HXH and even Sailormoon, lol

[/ QUOTE ]

LOL! You know it won't matter ... if they bring it to R1, it will be sans Chinese audio and subs, so you'd have to choose between no English or no Chinese, which is really too bad.

L

The disc most likely will be "soft" subtitled and will probably NOT include an English audio track. Think about it... THAT many episodes to write scripts for, hire voiceactors/actresses for the millions of characters, pay them, pay the tehcnicians, etc etc etc... and theyre already charging two-large for the set?

Don't count on a dub, kids.

I'm in though. I can cough up two large for it. Don't care about no dub (in fact I could care less). It's like Rod Su said... less than thirty seconds. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

(If its cheaper, fine.. if not, whatever. I still want the series, and I would sooner see Macross 7 released in the States than see a US company pick up LoGH, it just aint gonna happen)

[Chris Beveridge]

HTF Thread that has pics (http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?postid=1620539#post1620539)

[iserlohn]

Ugh, I hope those were the encyclopedia discs (the only ones that really need new cover art). I have to admit, the LDs have some absolutely gorgeous cover art, even if it's a very simple, minimalist painting sometimes (ie Season 1 LD 6 with the picture of Heinessen and the necklace).

[Dragon_Shiryu]

I'd definitely would like to have it. But then again it's very long and expensive, so I don't know if I could afford it. My question is (I didn't read all the thread since there are too many posts), would it be released as a huge set? Or would it be a more affordable thing with it being released in smaller chunks?

[Vicserr]

OMG!!!!!
I'm having night sweats with that pic.....that sure would look nice on my dvd rack... /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif
Hope they clarify the situation and give us more solid facts about this set soon... and hoping <font color="red"> for way cheaper pricing </font>

[LOUiE]

[ QUOTE ]
Chris Beveridge said:
HTF Thread that has pics (http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?postid=1620539#post1620539)

[/ QUOTE ]
Makes me giddy to get it now. Thanks for the link to the pics Chris. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

[Milliardo]

[ QUOTE ]
LOUiE said:
[ QUOTE ]
Chris Beveridge said:
HTF Thread that has pics (http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?postid=1620539#post1620539)

[/ QUOTE ]
Makes me giddy to get it now. Thanks for the link to the pics Chris. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Exactly! I'd gladly give up a year of anime for this!

[Argowal]

Sounds really interesting, but at that price it's far out of my price range for lump sum payments.

[gundamseed]

Have been on this site for years , this made me join the fourm . That set does look great , I would love to get it but I would need to know when it coming out in the usa if I was to get it, don't want to sign because of that . Would have to save the money . If they could tell you when it would get over to the usa if the got the 1500 people to sign that would be great . That would cost me around 3500us bucks by the time that got to me so i would have to not buy anything for a while .

[Omega]

Seems like an interesting show, but still, $2000 is too much to shell out at once. In an entire year I don't spend this much.

[BrianS]

I have seen everything that has been fansubbed of LoGH, and the possibility of getting this absolutely fantastic series in the US makes me very happy. It's expensive at that price, but it's worth it. I honestly think it's probably the #1 or #2 anime series of all time. I hope the price goes down, but I signed up for it.

I will make every effort to attend the panel at AX. However, I will have to convince the other people I'm going to the con with to wake up early enough to get there on time. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

And as for CotS/BotS, I really enjoy those series, too. They do have a similar "epic" feel to them, and give a taste of what LoGH is like. It's easily one of the best (and in my mind, the best) shows of the past couple of years.

[EricMcG]

I've never heard of Wright Staff, what other titles have they released? Given the cost, my unfamiliarity with the company, or even the series for that matter, and the general tentative nature of the survey, I would need to pass on this. As it is, there is no guarantee of the quality of the release (would it be more like Voyager or Animeigo?) or rate of release (would it be like Animeigo or Animeigo in quicksand?). If the company had any kind of track record I would be more willing to risk supporting the title.

Mmmmm...

I've very excited about this possible release and eagerly awaiting the announcement of details and pricing.

[LOUiE]

[ QUOTE ]
EricMcG said:
I've never heard of Wright Staff, what other titles have they released? Given the cost, my unfamiliarity with the company, or even the series for that matter, and the general tentative nature of the survey, I would need to pass on this. As it is, there is no guarantee of the quality of the release (would it be more like Voyager or Animeigo?) or rate of release (would it be like Animeigo or Animeigo in quicksand?). If the company had any kind of track record I would be more willing to risk supporting the title.

[/ QUOTE ]
They are the Japanese company who holds the rights to this series. They've never released an R1 anime before so that's probably why you haven't heard of them. Their R2 set recently finished being released and I've heard good things about the quality of it. I don't expect it to look much worse from the R2 so I'm expecting pretty good quality.

[CuriouslySane]

(Persons of average means need not apply.)

That's what the topic title should have read. /images/graemlins/anger200.gif

[Donovan]

[ QUOTE ]
scarrow said:
I doubt it will be hard subbed. From the descriptions of others it sounds like the R2 release had Chinese as a soft sub language option. Also, more commonly hard subtitles are used in cases where an English company already has a hard subtitled master and no access to the original source material anymore. Still, it'd probably be best to make sure.


[/ QUOTE ]

True, it's an outside chance. It sounds like we essentially have a newbie to the R1 anime market though, and we're starting off with a major release, so it's good to start making lists of things to remind them of.


[ QUOTE ]
Chris Beveridge said:
HTF Thread that has pics


[/ QUOTE ]

Dear God...add "use thinpacks" to the list. /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif

[MrGranger]

I have the money...but it had better be the damn best series ever with chocolate on top. Chocolate a little swiss man had to travel 1000 miles to make and then died!!!

It's $40.96 + tax + shipping per disc?!?!? I admit I paid that much for Eraserhead. But that has a buttload of extras. And it was a choice of one disc.

The whole "I will take this survey, which I indicate my promise to purchase the Legend of the Galactic Heroes DVD set (subtitled version) when it comes out. Please let me know about information regarding the release or related information about Legend of the Galactic Heroes" line puts me off. I'm not going to sign something unless it's decided that it's for info or a promise to buy. Completely different things.

[BrianS]

It appears that someone is listening to this thread. I checked back at their website today, and noticed they'd added a "Q-box" (I assume for comments), as well as a link to email their webmaster.

[LOUiE]

[ QUOTE ]
Brian Sebby said:
It appears that someone is listening to this thread. I checked back at their website today, and noticed they'd added a "Q-box" (I assume for comments), as well as a link to email their webmaster.


[/ QUOTE ]
Oooh, cool, then maybe other people will start asking many questions like why is the price so high and will it come down with more orders and what payment plans will be implemented. That would be good.

[Mary]

I signed up - but I have no intention of spending $1925 at one blow - and they can whistle if they think they are going to get it from me - its not like they have my credit card number - but its like other things I signed up for - if they get enough interest then the price could go down. Its just a feeler for them - so I signed up to show my interest

Mary

[Milliardo]

Hey here's an idea! Just go around and ask 200 people for a dollar every week and in 10 weeks BAM! 2000 dollars!

[durack]

I'll throw a dissenting voice.

Say what you may about COTS/BOTS, but at least the author tried to create an original society for his space opera, and also thought up some reasonable tech.

LOGH is basically Generic Corrupt Capitalist Democracy vs. 18th Century Germany in space. The whole setup looks anachronistic and utterly out of place in a sci-fi show. The whole thing could just as well be set in Europe during the Napoleonic Wars, at least that way the contrast between the societies depicted in the show and the level of technology wouldn't be so jarring.

Moreover, it pointlessly drags on and on and on and on and on...well, you get my point.

PLEASE watch it first before you dump this kind of money.

[Daniel_Perales]

I remember hearing a few people at cons calling it "Boring Germans from Space" when LOGH was brought up. I've seen only 2 episodes (no sub and dub and it was about 8 years ago), and it didn't grab me, but I did like the designs of their uniforms. Very detailed the last time I remember.


Danny

[Njr Scrawl]

[ QUOTE ]
durack said:
I'll throw a dissenting voice.

Say what you may about COTS/BOTS, but at least the author tried to create an original society for his space opera, and also thought up some reasonable tech.

LOGH is basically Generic Corrupt Capitalist Democracy vs. 18th Century Germany in space. The whole setup looks anachronistic and utterly out of place in a sci-fi show. The whole thing could just as well be set in Europe during the Napoleonic Wars, at least that way the contrast between the societies depicted in the show and the level of technology wouldn't be so jarring.

Moreover, it pointlessly drags on and on and on and on and on...well, you get my point.

PLEASE watch it first before you dump this kind of money.

[/ QUOTE ]


So like Gundam then /images/graemlins/devil.gif ?

Is it like "Legend of the 4 Kinks" at all?

Crest/Banner of the Stars has atrtractive characters, female and a sympathetic male main character + cute cat. C/B is more like a Macross story.

AFA Animeigo, Chris means LD days, when they took payment up front to license &amp; release KOR TV IIRC. No DVDs in those days /images/graemlins/happy.gif

[MikeBreen]

[ QUOTE ]
durack said:
LOGH is basically Generic Corrupt Capitalist Democracy vs. 18th Century Germany in space. The whole setup looks anachronistic and utterly out of place in a sci-fi show. The whole thing could just as well be set in Europe during the Napoleonic Wars, at least that way the contrast between the societies depicted in the show and the level of technology wouldn't be so jarring.

Moreover, it pointlessly drags on and on and on and on and on...well, you get my point.

[/ QUOTE ]

Which is exactily why the licensors need to really rethink their strategy before expecting thousands of fans to dump thousands of dollars each. LoGH isn't for everyone. Its biggest fault, aside from its length, is its increadibly slow pace (which, ironicaly, are also two if its biggest strengths). I can picture a lot of very pissed off fans who spent two grand wondering when the heck things are going to get moving.

Do what Warners did with Babylon 5. Get some of the movies out as primers to get people interested, then do season boxed sets if individual disks aren't going to be sold (granted, B5 is a much larger audience, but when you take it as part of the larger SciFi audience, it's really a niche product, and Warner Bros could've potentially taken a huge bath if they had misjudged interest and jumped right in with the TV series before testing the market with the movie disk they did). Load them up with extras featuring maps, backstories, booklets, everything that can be thought of to make the uninitiated interested enough to stick with the story. Take a cue from AN Entertainment and make a couple of episodes available for free download, or for something less permanent, stream them via RealPlayer. Then take a cue from Image and price it at the minimum you can and still make somewhat of a profit (how many besides me took a chance with HyperPolice simply because the price tag was too attractive to pass up?). And if they're still not gonna sell the property, at least partner with another company who knows the market, knows how to do translations, subs, and dubs.

Their current business model, as has been said many times in this thread, simply isn't gonna work even in a modified form.

I just saw the street dates for LOGH R2.

Box 1 Oct. 23, 2003
Box 2 Jan. 2004
Box 3 Apr. 2004
Box 4 Jul. 2004

All 45 DVDs will come out as 4 boxsets in only 9 months.
28 DVDs for OVA episodes
15 DVDs for sidestory episodes
2 DVDs for movies

Also, all 45 DVDs will be released individually in Japan!

So what's the real deal is gonna be for R1??

[Milliardo]

For those of you who haven't read the front page yet here's an update by Chris!

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Legend of Galactic Heroes - Updated Info (10:42 PM EST): From some well placed sources, we've gotten some new information regarding the recent information we posted about the possibility of the Legend of Galactic Heroes coming to region 1 someday.



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Mr.Kikukawa and Wright Staff have read hundreds of comments from the DVD survey, and they are greatful for the feedback they've received. One important note: The LOGH DVD online survey is NOT a binding contract, and so no bill-collection or anythingto that effect will happen if a customer changes his/her mind about purchasing the DVD set. At the same time, we would encourage only those who are serious about purchasing the DVD set to sign up.
Some people sent in incomplete information (such as email address only). These will not count towards the requested number of preorders, so please make sure to fill in all requested information on the page.
Mr.Yukio Kikukawa will be at AX. LOGH panel will be held Friday, 10AM. He will be discussing the R1 DVD project, of course, but there maybe some 'surprise' news, so this is a not-to-be-missed event for all LOGH fans and anyone interested in learning about the series!
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You know what that means! No binding contract = sign up NOW!

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The LOGH DVD online survey is NOT a binding contract, and so no bill-collection or anythingto that effect will happen if a customer changes his/her mind about purchasing the DVD set.

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Great News!!
Exactly what I was pointing out!

People, please sign up!!!!

You have NO IDEA what you are missing!!

[LOUiE]

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Mr.Yukio Kikukawa will be at AX. LOGH panel will be held Friday, 10AM. He will be discussing the R1 DVD project, of course, but there maybe some 'surprise' news, so this is a not-to-be-missed event for all LOGH fans and anyone interested in learning about the series!

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Now I'm wondering what that suprise news is going to be. Possibly that they'll release the first movie into theatres coming up soon to garner a following for it. That would very much rock IMO. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

Man, now I have to figure out how I'm going to make it to this panel. And here I wanted to go to the Bandai Gundam panel. Guess I'll just have to hear about that one from somebody else. /images/graemlins/relief1.gif

[Nuriko]

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Mike Breen said:

Do what Warners did with Babylon 5. Get some of the movies out as primers to get people interested, then do season boxed sets if individual disks aren't going to be sold (granted, B5 is a much larger audience, but when you take it as part of the larger SciFi audience, it's really a niche product, and Warner Bros could've potentially taken a huge bath if they had misjudged interest and jumped right in with the TV series before testing the market with the movie disk they did). Load them up with extras featuring maps, backstories, booklets, everything that can be thought of to make the uninitiated interested enough to stick with the story. Take a cue from AN Entertainment and make a couple of episodes available for free download, or for something less permanent, stream them via RealPlayer. Then take a cue from Image and price it at the minimum you can and still make somewhat of a profit (how many besides me took a chance with HyperPolice simply because the price tag was too attractive to pass up?). And if they're still not gonna sell the property, at least partner with another company who knows the market, knows how to do translations, subs, and dubs.

Their current business model, as has been said many times in this thread, simply isn't gonna work even in a modified form.

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As you've said, give then length and slow pacing of this series, I don't think d/l the first few episodes will be an accurate indication of what this series is about.

As far as HyperPolice, I took a chance cuz of the cute catgirl cover, not because of the price, heaheaehaeah After watching it, I would have gladly pay $30 MSRP if I had to do it again.

[durack]

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Njr Scrawl said:

So like Gundam then /images/graemlins/devil.gif ?

Is it like "Legend of the 4 Kinks" at all?

Crest/Banner of the Stars has atrtractive characters, female and a sympathetic male main character + cute cat. C/B is more like a Macross story.

AFA Animeigo, Chris means LD days, when they took payment up front to license &amp; release KOR TV IIRC. No DVDs in those days /images/graemlins/happy.gif

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If you mean UC Gundam, LOGH is not like Gundam at all. The best analogy would be a French period novel/movie with all the trappings, only with some sci-fi tech as background. For reference, I like B5 and COTS/BOTS and quickly lost interest in LOGH - if I want a period piece, I would watch/read a period piece and not some mishmash of 18th century European history/politics/culture with space battleships thrown in.

Of course if people like it, that's fine - everyone's tastes differ, I just wanted to warn people that LOGH is fundamentally different from B5/COTS/BOTS.

I think you're all missing the point. Pretty much everything out there nowadays is derivative of something else in some way shape or form, and naturally LoGH is no exception. It's all in the EXECUTION.

And LoGH does it with shining colors. Bright, shiny, super duper nice colors. Of course its not for everyone; a lot of people find it slow/boring/uninteresting (hence why some people refer to it as "Boring Germans in Space."

And as one other user pointed out, Generic Corrupt Democracy and Prussian/German Monarchy is no different than Earth Federation vs Principality of Zion/Jion/Jeon/Zeon/John. And that didn't stop people from liking Gundam.

"Oh! Well its just Generic Corrupt Democracy vs Stupid Monarchy! Surely, Gundam is crap!"

Come on now.

Well, non-UC Gundam is crap, but... I digress.

Besides, CotS/BotS or whatever, I can't stomach cus it look like such goofy big-eyed typical anime garbage (I'm sorry, but I can't stand that big googly-eyed stuff anymore /images/graemlins/tongue.gif).

Just by looking at it it looks derivative. You see LoGH and go "The hell is that?" it doesn't look and it obviously doesnt feel like any other aniem you've seen, and therefore it is interesting.

But this isnt CotS/BotS vs LoGH (and it isnt an argument I care to make, cus I just don't care), so I digress. ^^;

Finally, I don't think they expect Joe Anime Fan to cough up the dough... obviously they are shooting for the hardcore fans (much like they did in Japan), because they know the hardcore fan is willing to cough up the cash for the set.

Whirred.

[Gersen]

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nykk79 said:
Great News!!
Exactly what I was pointing out!

People, please sign up!!!!

You have NO IDEA what you are missing!!

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You just forget to read something :

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At the same time, we would encourage only those who are serious about purchasing the DVD set to sign up.

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Even if it's not a legal binding signing it if you are not serious about buying it would be cheating.

Gersen

Do you think I am forcing people to cheat or something?
What is your problem??

Some people who were interested in buying the set and supporting the release didn't sign up because they were worried that they might be bound by it without even knowing the exact details and price.

Nothing is certain at this point so how can you decide for sure you will buy it anyway??

It's just a SURVEY! Got it?

Of course, people who wouldn't buy the set no matter how cheap are not going to sign up.
People who would buy the set if the price is right are going to sign up.
How simple is that?

[Gersen]

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nykk79 said:
Some people who were interested in buying the set and supporting the release didn't sign up because they were worried that they might be bound by it without even knowing the exact details and price.

Nothing is certain at this point so how can you decide for sure you will buy it anyway??

It's just a SURVEY! Got it?

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And... If you actually happen to read the survey the question they are actually asking : "Are you interested into buying LOGH for a price of aproximately 1,925 USD", they are not asking "Are you interested into buying LOGH for an average R1 price". They never said anywere that had the intention to lower the price maybe it's just LOGH will be relassed at this price or it never will.

If there is no way you are going to pay 1'925$ for LOGH but sign this release anyway then technicaly you are liying to them. It would be similar to use a false E-Mail address and info just to increate the answer count to this survey.

For info I sign this survey but only because I was about to buy the R2 anyway and the only thing that stop me was the lack of scripts.

Gersen

[Musicman]

The best thing to do is wait til the AX panel is done and we know more details. If they want a accurate poll of people's intent to buy then that would probably be the best.

I know that many people here on the forum want folk to sign up NOW but we have plenty of time before a point of no return is reached. Please have patience with us that are a bit more reserved.

I like to go into a swimming pool knowing there's water in it BEFORE I jump in it.

[MikeBreen]

Besides, the survey is still using the "promise to purchase" phrasing. If they eliminate that phrase, I will fill out the survey. And if that's not what they mean, I can't say I have all that much faith in their translator. There's a world of difference between "promise to purchase" and "interested in purchasing."

Hopefully we can get some answers at AX.

Well, I will be bringing my trusty video camera and taping the panel, and then making a quick DVD of it after I get home, which I would be willing to send to people afterward for basic shipping and raw material costs. So it probably should be possible to see the panel if you weren't able to make it in person.

[iserlohn]

Oooh! I want!

They'll probably be giving away free cels again, too. I got some really nice ones the year they were all at Katsucon...pity that Kikukawa's not listed for Otakon yet. Any chance someone can ask him to get in touch about coming out east?

[whitefox]

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Nuriko said:
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Mike Breen said:

Do what Warners did with Babylon 5. Get some of the movies out as primers to get people interested, then do season boxed sets if individual disks aren't going to be sold (granted, B5 is a much larger audience, but when you take it as part of the larger SciFi audience, it's really a niche product, and Warner Bros could've potentially taken a huge bath if they had misjudged interest and jumped right in with the TV series before testing the market with the movie disk they did). Load them up with extras featuring maps, backstories, booklets, everything that can be thought of to make the uninitiated interested enough to stick with the story. Take a cue from AN Entertainment and make a couple of episodes available for free download, or for something less permanent, stream them via RealPlayer. Then take a cue from Image and price it at the minimum you can and still make somewhat of a profit (how many besides me took a chance with HyperPolice simply because the price tag was too attractive to pass up?). And if they're still not gonna sell the property, at least partner with another company who knows the market, knows how to do translations, subs, and dubs.

Their current business model, as has been said many times in this thread, simply isn't gonna work even in a modified form.

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As you've said, give then length and slow pacing of this series, I don't think d/l the first few episodes will be an accurate indication of what this series is about.



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The first movie is a pretty good introduction to the entire
series. It introduces the conflict, main characters, and gives
you a general idea of the show's style.

--
whitefox

[isamu]

Lame

[Milliardo]

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isamu said:
Lame

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Uh...what's "lame"? And Yoko Kanno is probably the best composer, female or otherwise of all time! She did the soundtrack for Cowboy Bebop, Escaflowne, Macross Plus, gave Maaya-chan her start and countless other things!

[angelo]

What would cause this company to assume that there's enough of a following of this series that people would be willing to pay up front for the whole thing? Was there some secret club in the 80s that screened episodes and slowly won over the masses or something? /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Not to say I'm not interested, but I'm trying to figure out why they'd expect anyone to sign this, even fans of the series.

(most of us don't have 2 grand to just blow like that. Do Japanese people carry that much cash around?)

[bomber317]

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MattB said:
What would cause this company to assume that there's enough of a following of this series that people would be willing to pay up front for the whole thing? Was there some secret club in the 80s that screened episodes and slowly won over the masses or something? /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Not to say I'm not interested, but I'm trying to figure out why they'd expect anyone to sign this, even fans of the series.

(most of us don't have 2 grand to just blow like that. Do Japanese people carry that much cash around?)

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well, they didn't specify how the payments will work. They just said that the approx. cost of 40 something DVDs would be around 2k.

so, we just have to wait and see before we complain about this.

[angelo]

But the thing is: they expect people to just pledge their money without offering any details at all?

Another thing that escapes me is: if this series is so great, why didn't any of the usual suspects pick it up for a US release?

(like I said before, I'm not knocking the series or anything...it's just that none of this makes any sense to me /images/graemlins/tongue.gif)

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if this series is so great, why didn't any of the usual suspects pick it up for a US release?

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Probably, too expensive for any R1 companies to handle.

It's long and old so the risk is also high.

[MikeBreen]

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MattB said:
Another thing that escapes me is: if this series is so great, why didn't any of the usual suspects pick it up for a US release?

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I've heard two fairly plausable reasons -
Sheer length - 110 episodes, plus approx 50 side-story episodes, and various movies. Also, IIRC, the licensor has been unwilling to license anything but the entire series, so it wouldn't be possible for any of the US distributors to license a movie, short side-story, or single season to test the waters with.

The license isn't even for sale - I've been hearing for a number of years now that the licensor has wanted to handel foreign distribution themselves and not rely on a US distributor.

[bomber317]

Hmm, I saw it more as pledging an interest in the series knowing that in the long run (or in the short run) that the total costs will be around 2k.

I signed up for it, but if they want 2k upfront, I would say no. If it's 2k over the course of the release, then sure.

so I'll just have to wait and see.

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bomber317 said:
Hmm, I saw it more as pledging an interest in the series knowing that in the long run (or in the short run) that the total costs will be around 2k.

I signed up for it, but if they want 2k upfront, I would say no. If it's 2k over the course of the release, then sure.

so I'll just have to wait and see.

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I feel the same way and said as much in the comment section when I signed up (IRT payments). I figure that if anything they'd at least know that I'm interested, but I'm not willing to pony up $2K at the start.

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Mike Breen said:
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MattB said:
Another thing that escapes me is: if this series is so great, why didn't any of the usual suspects pick it up for a US release?

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I've heard two fairly plausable reasons -
Sheer length - 110 episodes, plus approx 50 side-story episodes, and various movies. Also, IIRC, the licensor has been unwilling to license anything but the entire series, so it wouldn't be possible for any of the US distributors to license a movie, short side-story, or single season to test the waters with.

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I think that's really silly. Most long series I can think of, some even longer than this one, like Dragon Ball or Sailor Moon have the US rights shared by several companies; apparently in the case of those two shows Toei was willing to let the shows go in pieces. I don't know much about LotGH. Can it be taken a few pieces at a time, or do you have to have the entire thing- like each part ends in a cliffhanger?

[iserlohn]

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Hotaru said:
I think that's really silly. Most long series I can think of, some even longer than this one, like Dragon Ball or Sailor Moon have the US rights shared by several companies; apparently in the case of those two shows Toei was willing to let the shows go in pieces. I don't know much about LotGH. Can it be taken a few pieces at a time, or do you have to have the entire thing- like each part ends in a cliffhanger?

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The Japanese have made it very clear at panels that they want one company to do it all and guarantee that they'll release the full series. Each season is....semi self-contained (trying not to give spoilers). Arguably you could break it up movies+season1+season2 as one set and season3+season4 in another, and then each of the two side seasons on their own. I for one would rather it all be done by one group - everything will be consistent that way. Of course, the original LDs were far from consistent...

[Gersen]

The LOGH panel at AX is pretty soon, I am sure that some AOD members will be there to ask question about the boxset.

It would be nice If somebody could ask :

If the box is made, will it also be available for international customer ? (As I live in Europe) I hope it's not going to be one of those "US only" Animeigo-like offer.

also

"If" it's sub only, I would be usefull to ask if it's going to be soft-subs or hard-subs, I am affraid that they may be thinking of using forced or hardsubs/overlays to prevent revert importation.

Gersen

Most importantly, the payment schedule and the release style.

Is it going to be released as 4 boxsets like R2 or just one big boxset?

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iserlohn said:
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Hotaru said:
I think that's really silly. Most long series I can think of, some even longer than this one, like Dragon Ball or Sailor Moon have the US rights shared by several companies; apparently in the case of those two shows Toei was willing to let the shows go in pieces. I don't know much about LotGH. Can it be taken a few pieces at a time, or do you have to have the entire thing- like each part ends in a cliffhanger?

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The Japanese have made it very clear at panels that they want one company to do it all and guarantee that they'll release the full series. Each season is....semi self-contained (trying not to give spoilers). Arguably you could break it up movies+season1+season2 as one set and season3+season4 in another, and then each of the two side seasons on their own. I for one would rather it all be done by one group - everything will be consistent that way. Of course, the original LDs were far from consistent...

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I also think (even though I have little interest in the show /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif) that one R1 company should/would do it. I'm not advocating split liscenses; it ticks me off that for SM, I've got Pioneer's single discs of S and SuperS, their "normal box" and ADV's collected boxes of Classic and R and then fansubs for Stars. But I do think it would be smart to release parts of LotGH to "test the waters". And it's definitely silly what this R2 company is doing. Perhaps they're going on the reasoning that it's safer to get 50 people to pay $2000 then to risk hoping that 2000 people will pay $25 several times over?

[iserlohn]

Just got off the phone with a friend at AX who went to the panel. His report was short but he said the following:

-The producers officially announced the petition
-They've gotten about 570 people committed so far
-The price will be lower than the Japanese price
-Most of the comments from the audience were about the set price

More details will probably filter through later.

[malazar]

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iserlohn said:
Just got off the phone with a friend at AX who went to the panel. His report was short but he said the following:

-The price will be lower than the Japanese price
-Most of the comments from the audience were about the set price


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That's encouraging at least. Hopefully, we'll get some good news as this progresses.

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-They've gotten about 570 people committed so far

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Gosh! Only 570 people?

I can't believe actually I am one of those 570 hardcores /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

[Milliardo]

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-They've gotten about 570 people committed so far

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Gosh! Only 570 people?

I can't believe actually I am one of those 570 hardcores /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

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Wo0t! Me too! I hope if/when they do bring it over they won't put a dub on it! That would take an EXTRA YEAR to do 164 episodes and 2 movies...I hope people from this thread won't piss and moan over a dub. All they have to do is encode and subtitle it and then we'll have it sooner!

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All they have to do is encode and subtitle it and then we'll have it sooner!

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I agree with you completely.
But then I am biased as I only watch subbed anime. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[FigNewton]

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iserlohn said:
-They've gotten about 570 people committed so far


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Heh... there's that word committed again...

[Jursie]

I'm more than willing to sign up for the survey, but right now, the verbage is just too vauge for me to get any idea of what they are actually asking. I wish there was more information; if there's more information, I'll sign the survey.

I echo everyone's sentiments about a price cut. I cannot afford 2,000 dollars for LoGH, no matter how much I love the series. If they price it using the usual DVD value for the American market, then I would be game to buy it.

But then again if they don't cut the price, but offer to pay in installments, then I would be OK with that.

(This post might not make any sense, I apologize; it's 1am)

[isamu]

I'd easily pay $2000...

...but for DBZ subbed, not this. Don't get me wrong I'm not criticizing this show or anything, I haven't even seen it yet! I'm just saying we need to get the Japanese studio behind the DBZ series to offer their show subbed, to Americans, and include all the episodes, movies, OVAs, etc and stick 'em in one big box, the shape of one the Dragon Balls from the show! Would that be tight or what!!! '

Anyone know if I could get em all here with subs for $2000?

[Milliardo]

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isamu said:
I'd easily pay $2000...

...but for DBZ subbed, not this. Don't get me wrong I'm not criticizing this show or anything, I haven't even seen it yet! I'm just saying we need to get the Japanese studio behind the DBZ series to offer their show subbed, to Americans, and include all the episodes, movies, OVAs, etc and stick 'em in one big box, the shape of one the Dragon Balls from the show! Would that be tight or what!!! '

Anyone know if I could get em all here with subs for $2000?


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Umm... all of DBZ is in boxset form about $1252 USD for all 271 episodes in boxset form for 2 boxsets($926 a box) and they both come with an toy of Goku in the first and Piccolo in the second, and I don't think DBZ had any OVAs...but there's no english subs. If there was I would've grabbed this up in a second. But Funimation is re-releasing the first 2 boxsets in UNCUT form this year bilingual, and I'm picking those up! I loved the first 2 seasons!

[MikeBreen]

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FigNewton said:
Heh... there's that word committed again...

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Yeah, no kidding. /images/graemlins/anger200.gif

[Daniel_Perales]

Wo0t! Me too! I hope if/when they do bring it over they won't put a dub on it! That would take an EXTRA YEAR to do 164 episodes and 2 movies...I hope people from this thread won't piss and moan over a dub. All they have to do is encode and subtitle it and then we'll have it sooner!

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That sounds kind of selfish. Suppose some people who are willing to buy it wants a dub? For the asking price, it better have one. I mean, that's one of the main benefits of having anime on DVD's. It can give you a choice.


Danny

[Jursie]

While a dub would probably make the series more marketable to American consumers (excepting those who don't mind having to read subtitles / those of us who have been waiting for this forever), I think that with the length of the series it would take FAR too long to really be a nice feature rather than a bane on the release date. The issue of time is a big one for anime releases (as far as I've seen), and with the length of this series, it'd be far, far in the future if a dub was done.

[Gersen]

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Daniel Perales said:
That sounds kind of selfish. Suppose some people who are willing to buy it wants a dub? For the asking price, it better have one. I mean, that's one of the main benefits of having anime on DVD's. It can give you a choice.

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Well the main reason there are dub on DVD is because a vast majority of mainstream fans watch anime dubbed. (Of course there are hardcore dub fans too but the majority remain mainstream ones)

However will mainstream fans like a old 100+ episode serie, with no flashy graphics, not that much action and a lot of talk ? With or without dub I have some doubt that Logh will interest anybody except hardcore fans.

Granted 99% of the time the presence of a dub greatly increase sales, however I think that Logh might be a member of the remaining 1%

Gersen

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Gersen said:

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Daniel Perales said:

That sounds kind of selfish. Suppose some people who are willing to buy it wants a dub? For the asking price, it better have one. I mean, that's one of the main benefits of having anime on DVD's. It can give you a choice.

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Well the main reason there are dub on DVD is because a vast majority of mainstream fans watch anime dubbed. (Of course there are hardcore dub fans too but the majority remain mainstream ones)

However will mainstream fans like a old 100+ episode serie, with no flashy graphics, not that much action and a lot of talk ? With or without dub I have some doubt that Logh will interest anybody except hardcore fans.

Granted 99% of the time the presence of a dub greatly increase sales, however I think that Logh might be a member of the remaining 1%

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As much as I want an English Dub, I don't think this outfit is large enough to put together the necessary finances for a proper Dub. I would bet this is a limited offer and will, due to cost, be Sub only. Unless I'm incorrectly viewing this release as a "grassroots" effort.

[Riese]

The Japanese licensed the Taiwanese dub of the original 110
episodes of LoGH.

Since LoGH is very popular among Chinese speaking populations(there
were 2 LoGH cosplayers that came all the way from Hong Kong for that panel...@_@) the movies and Gaiden series were also dubbed in Chinese.

Now if you meant you wanted an English dub of LoGH...

[LOUiE]

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iserlohn said:
Just got off the phone with a friend at AX who went to the panel. His report was short but he said the following:

-The producers officially announced the petition
-They've gotten about 570 people committed so far
-The price will be lower than the Japanese price
-Most of the comments from the audience were about the set price

More details will probably filter through later.

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He didn't say committed, he said signed up. He actually made the comment that this is in no way at all a committment. The threshold is definitely 1500 people to sign up for it. It will most likely be in installments as they know very few people can pony up even $1500 at one time. They are going to try and make it as cheap as possible. They also said to please sign up if you're interested in a sub only release-soft subs he said- regardless of the price. Don't worry about the price at all. You are not committing to buying the series, this is for interest only and make sure to put in your comments about it.

They also announced a new show in production right now, though I can't for the life of me remember what it is called. It's the same director I believe as did LOGH, though.

[Milliardo]

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LOUiE said:
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iserlohn said:
Just got off the phone with a friend at AX who went to the panel. His report was short but he said the following:

-The producers officially announced the petition
-They've gotten about 570 people committed so far
-The price will be lower than the Japanese price
-Most of the comments from the audience were about the set price

More details will probably filter through later.

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He didn't say committed, he said signed up. He actually made the comment that this is in no way at all a committment. The threshold is definitely 1500 people to sign up for it. It will most likely be in installments as they know very few people can pony up even $1500 at one time. They are going to try and make it as cheap as possible. They also said to please sign up if you're interested in a sub only release-soft subs he said- regardless of the price. Don't worry about the price at all. You are not committing to buying the series, this is for interest only and make sure to put in your comments about it.

They also announced a new show in production right now, though I can't for the life of me remember what it is called. It's the same director I believe as did LOGH, though.

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Well, folks there you have it! There is NO REASON why you shouldn't sign up if you're interested! And don't give me any of that crap about not signing up beacuse "if it sells poorly they won't release anything else over here!" In the words of Eric Cartman,"Fuck off you donkey-raping shit-eaters!" Sorry if I offended anyone!

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Contrary to information announced originally, the price of the English-language release will be competitive with current market prices for anime DVD’s in the US, although no exact price point was made available at this time. Both Ishiguro and Kikukawa are aware that requiring American fans to commit to purchasing the entire series would be a very difficult proposition. Accordingly, the current survey available online is meant to simply gauge interest in a US release.
If a release will in fact take place, it will most likely be done via a partnership with an existing North American anime production company, rather than completely in house.

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I just got this from Anime News Network.
Great news indeed!
I am sooooo happy~~ /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Let's sign up people!
Like they say, it's just a survey to gauge interest in US.
They need 1500 replies!

[Riese]

I have posted all the details in the R2 forum:
http://forums.animeondvd.com/shownested.php?Cat=&amp;Board=region234&amp;Number=96832&amp;p age=0&amp;view=collapsed&amp;sb=5&amp;o=&amp;fpart=1

Summary:
LoGH in Japan will be released in both seasonal box sets as well as little 3 packs for 5300 yen each(that's

They will be sold normally so amazon.co.jp and amo tokyo should get them.

I am glad they are doing these 3 packs, the disk price comes to
about 1800 yen each when 5% consumption tax is included.

If LoGH was released in the US via these cheap 3 packs they
are releasing in Japan, I'll get it, even if it is sub only.

[Caesar]

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Contrary to information announced originally, the price of the English-language release will be competitive with current market prices for anime DVD’s in the US, although no exact price point was made available at this time. Both Ishiguro and Kikukawa are aware that requiring American fans to commit to purchasing the entire series would be a very difficult proposition. Accordingly, the current survey available online is meant to simply gauge interest in a US release.
If a release will in fact take place, it will most likely be done via a partnership with an existing North American anime production company, rather than completely in house.

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I just got this from Anime News Network.
Great news indeed!
I am sooooo happy~~ /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Let's sign up people!
Like they say, it's just a survey to gauge interest in US.
They need 1500 replies!



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I give. I give. I'll sign up. If they whore out my name, I'll redirect it to you.

I was also at the panel and they clarified about the web form. It is not legally binding and you're not committed to anything. They are gathering the level of interest and need 1500 responses before it becomes viable. They are aware of the concerns raised here, such as price and payment plan. They mentioned the price tag listed on the site was for the Japanese release and a U.S. release would clearly have a different, but undecided price. They are listening to the comments that are being submitted via the web form. So I suggest anyone interested in the series to go ahead and fill out the form, but also includes comments or suggestions as well. For example, payment plans, multiple box sets, etc. I was on the fence but after the clarification at the panel, there is no reason not to fill out the form. For anyone who is interested in buying this series, please fill out the form ASAP.

The new series they mentioned during the panel is called Titania, based on a novel by Yoshuki Tanaka. Also takes place in space. They showed some sketches of characters and ship designs. Looks promising. Scheduled I think for 2005.

[Milliardo]

If everyone in this forum signs up that's well over 1500 signatures! In fact why doesn't someone post this petition on the AN forums!

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In fact why doesn't someone post this petition on the AN forums!

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Have at it. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

[Milliardo]

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In fact why doesn't someone post this petition on the AN forums!

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Have at it. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

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Uhhh...I'm not a member, by the way what's your avatar from? Seeing as you change it every 10 minutes I'll say what it looks like. It's a purple haired kid with glasses.

[spooncivicR]

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In fact why doesn't someone post this petition on the AN forums!

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I did back on June 25th...

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Milliardo_Peacecraft said:

In fact why doesn't someone post this petition on the AN forums!

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Have at it. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

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Uhhh...I'm not a member, by the way what's your avatar from? Seeing as you change it every 10 minutes I'll say what it looks like. It's a purple haired kid with glasses.

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He's from a show called Pita Ten. /images/graemlins/happy.gif Here's a small descript:

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» http://www.animetempy.com/reviews/PQRS/pita-ten.htm

From the pen of Koge Donbo (character designer for DiGi Charat, Tiny Snow Fairy Sugar) comes the story of an apprentice angel named Misha arriving on earth to become a full fledged angel. She sets herself to take care of Kotaro who has lost his mother at an early age. Misha is not very bright and very clingy, but she has a good heart, and she's very cute (her trademarks being her -su suffixes, her "tee hee hee" laugh, and her bunny hairpieces who mirror her moods). Coincidentally an apprentice demon named Shia also appears on earth, and somehow ends up living with Misha. Shia is the most soft-spoken and kind demon you'll ever encounter, much to the agony of her guide, the black cat Nyaa. Rounding off the main cast of characters are Kotaro's best friends, the smart and popular Ten-chan, and cute-but-quick-to-anger Koboshi.

©AnimeTempy.com (http://www.animetempy.com/)


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[Gatts]

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He's from a show called Pita Ten. /images/graemlins/happy.gif Here's a small descript:


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His name is Mitarai Hiroshi. Everyone calls him Dai-chan. I didn't see his name in the small quote that you linked. He's the "annoying rich kid", but he's an extremely likeable character unlike most other annoying rich kid characters. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

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He's from a show called Pita Ten. /images/graemlins/happy.gif Here's a small descript:


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His name is Mitarai Hiroshi. Everyone calls him Dai-chan. I didn't see his name in the small quote that you linked. He's the "annoying rich kid", but he's an extremely likeable character unlike most other annoying rich kid characters. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

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Thanks. I wasn't sure of his name. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

[broestls]

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They also announced a new show in production right now, though I can't for the life of me remember what it is called. It's the same director I believe as did LOGH, though.

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Don't want to hijack the thread here too much...

Noburo Ishiguro(sp?) presented this at the LoGH panel. The project is called Titania. It's a space drama currently in production for release in 2005. Mechanical and spaceship designs are being done by Kazutaka Miyatake, and character designs by Haruhiko Mikimoto. The name Toshiki Tanaka was dropped at the beginning of the powerpoint presentation, though I completely missed what his role was, sorry.

Plot goes like this. Large, powerful Titania family rules galaxy. Genuis military officer close to the family has disagreement with them, goes into exile. Ends up joining resistances forces and starts a civil war.

The character and mechnical designs looked awesome, but I don't have anything to show you, as photos were not allowed. They are interested in getting this one licensed a little sooner.

I'll have a more complete story of the entire panel tomorrow when I finish writing my report.

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Plot goes like this. Large, powerful Titania family rules galaxy. Genuis military officer close to the family has disagreement with them, goes into exile. Ends up joining resistances forces and starts a civil war.

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Sounds really interesting.
Perfect for my taste~~ /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

Space Opera with 2003 production value?
Oh~~~ my god~!!!

[Milliardo]

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Plot goes like this. Large, powerful Titania family rules galaxy. Genuis military officer close to the family has disagreement with them, goes into exile. Ends up joining resistances forces and starts a civil war.

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Sounds really interesting.
Perfect for my taste~~ /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

Space Opera with 2003 production value?
Oh~~~ my god~!!!

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Me wants also!!

[leongsh]

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Plot goes like this. Large, powerful Titania family rules galaxy. Genuis military officer close to the family has disagreement with them, goes into exile. Ends up joining resistances forces and starts a civil war.

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Sounds really interesting.
Perfect for my taste~~ /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

Space Opera with 2003 production value?
Oh~~~ my god~!!!

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Hot damn!

:-P~~~~~~~~~~~

Waiting for this is going to be sheer hell!

:-P~~~~~~~~~~~

[Riese]

Yoshiyuki Tanaka is an incredible novelist in Japan.
He is the author of the Legend of Galactic Heroes novels
as well as Heroic Legend Arslan and Souryuuden(CLAMP loves
Mr. Tanakas work so much they were extremely honored when
they were asked to do the illustrations for this novel series.)

Tanaka is one hell of a story/world crafter. I am highly
anticipating Titania as well!

Hi! I wanted to post some more details on TITANIA mentioned at the LoGH panel. I scribbled down some info from the Powerpoint slides shown at the panel, so althogh we couldn't videotape during the presentation I got a bit of info (with I think more accurate spellings).

TITANIA, like LoGH, is a sparawling space epic. The Titania family are the main rulers of the galactic civilization, and our main hero is on the run from them. We were shown some mechanical designs for the show done by designer Kanataka Miyatake of Studio Nue (who has worked with LoGH director Noboru Ishiguro for years, from his days on Space Battleship Yamato and Macross). Character designs for the anime are being done by Haruhiko Mikimoto (also of Macross fame). The first video is tentatively scheduled for Japanese release in 2005. It is hoped with the name recognition of Mikimoto on board and this series starting anew, it will be an easier sell in the USA than LoGH has been. (And maybe it will get more people interested in Tanaka's stories, making it easier to market LoGH too!)

One of the mechanical designs we saw was for the Titania space fortress, Uranienburg. I knew I had heard this name before, and did a search on it. In keeping with his penchant for Germanic sounding names, Mr. Tanaka has named the fortress here for the observatory used by Danish astronomer Tycho Brahe (the first European to measure the motions of the planets accurately enough to allow Johannes Kepler and Isaac Newton to formulate the laws of planetary motion and universal gravitation, respectively). For a bit more info on Uranienburg for the historical-trivia minded (such as myself) check these sites:
Lund Observatory Tycho Info (http://www.astro.lu.se/Uraniburg.html)
Antiquarian Books (http://www.simsreed.com/books/antiq/details/4.htm)

As I said, we weren't allowed to take pictures during the presentation of the anime designs, but I remembered there were some concept art designs for this series by the LoGH manga artist, Katsumi Michihara, in her LoGH art Roman Album. I have scanned and uploaded the TITANIA CONCEPT ART (http://www.headgear.org/~amos/TITANIA/).

Although this is not the art that will appear in the anime, it is another artist's conception of the same universe, and I thought might help give any incipient Titania discussion some focus. (If you point anyone else at these pictures, please be sure to include the disclaimer that this art is NOT from the anime! I don't want to be responsible for starting flamewars when the anime comes out and it looks different!)

If you haven't already seen the LoGH art that comprises the majority of this Roman Album, BTW, I suggest you check out the Portrait of Heroes (http://www.fortunecity.com/lavendar/jerningham/6/) web page!

[xyz]

Eh... I signed up for support. It's not like they're asking for credit card number or anything. It's just a promise.

xyz

Ya, I heard about TITANIA over the weekend when AX went down, and it sounds like some serious kick-ass ownage. Exactly what I've been looking for (and with HAL doing character design?!?! Holy shite!!!)

Everyone should sign the LoGH petition. It's not a legally binding contract, and nobody said you had to buy the set when it is released. Just leave it for guys like me who will gladly dish out the 2 large for it. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

If you're interested in some more info on TITANIA, see my previous post in this forum about Titania Info &amp; Concept Art (http://forums.animeondvd.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&amp;Board=region1&amp;Number=98853&amp;p age=0&amp;view=collapsed&amp;sb=5&amp;o=&amp;vc=1)

In the latest installment of the "Ask John" column of the ANimeNation
newsletter, "John" makes extensive reference to LoGH and Gundam as
examples of complex anime, in answer to a question about what the most
controversial or complex anime in existence...

http://www.animenation.net/news/askjohn.php?id=716

The video I shot at the Galactic Heroes panel at Anime Expo is now available on the web, if anyone wants to see it. The owner of the Galactic Heroes Information Center was kind enough to host it (and also converted my QuickTime file to a Windows media). Click below:

Galactic Heroes Info Center (http://www.logh.net/logh.htm)

164 episodes at 5 episodes per disc on DVD-5 for $24.95 per disc plus the movies would be about $899.99. It would also be about 36 discs.

164 episodes at 6 or 7 episodes per disc on DVD-9 like Tylor for $29.95 per disc plus the movies would be about $799.99. It would also be about 28 discs.

Both much more acceptable, and it's the only kind of pricing that is reasonable for such a long, virtually unknown (stateside) series.

I would think pricing like this would at the very least quadruple the demand.

So, has anyone read or heard of a timeline for this release?

I realize they're still in the "data collecting" phase, but, and I apologize if it's buried in this monster thread (hey, nobody else uses the damn search around here why should I?), have they set a deadline for themselves? Hmmm...Maybe I should shoot an e-mail to the Webmaster at the site Chris listed. Or I could dig through this thread.

[LOUiE]

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So, has anyone read or heard of a timeline for this release?

I realize they're still in the "data collecting" phase, but, and I apologize if it's buried in this monster thread (hey, nobody else uses the damn search around here why should I?), have they set a deadline for themselves? Hmmm...Maybe I should shoot an e-mail to the Webmaster at the site Chris listed. Or I could dig through this thread.

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Once they get around 1500 interested in buying the whole thing is when they decide to go forward with it.

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Flood said:

So, has anyone read or heard of a timeline for this release?

I realize they're still in the "data collecting" phase, but, and I apologize if it's buried in this monster thread (hey, nobody else uses the damn search around here why should I?), have they set a deadline for themselves? Hmmm...Maybe I should shoot an e-mail to the Webmaster at the site Chris listed. Or I could dig through this thread.

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Once they get around 1500 interested in buying the whole thing is when they decide to go forward with it.

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Hmmm...I remember that. Maybe they should have a "counter" on their site so that we'd know.

[sman]

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Hmmm...I remember that. Maybe they should have a "counter" on their site so that we'd know.

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Na, it'd never get updated in the end. Remember the "counters" for AnimEigo &amp; ADV series over the past few years?

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Flood said:

Hmmm...I remember that. Maybe they should have a "counter" on their site so that we'd know.

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Na, it'd never get updated in the end. Remember the "counters" for AnimEigo &amp; ADV series over the past few years?

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Doh! Good point. Hmmmm...ah well...I hate waiting. Guess I'll drop an e-mail to their webmaster and try to get a feel for what he/she knows.

[Njr Scrawl]

We need some "taster" episodes first, to see &amp; hear.

I don't know if you were into animé when KOR TV was first proposed in similar fashion, but at that time AnimEigo had released the OVAs in 3 volumes and 1st movie before, so KOR TV was desired from viewing earlier releases.

[Nuriko]

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We need some "taster" episodes first, to see &amp; hear.

I don't know if you were into animé when KOR TV was first proposed in similar fashion, but at that time AnimEigo had released the OVAs in 3 volumes and 1st movie before, so KOR TV was desired from viewing earlier releases.


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But wouldn't that ruin the TV series for those who have seen the movie beforehand? I certainly hope they don't do a similar fashion with LoGH. I don't think previews or trailers or even the 1st episode/disc would be any indication of how this series would turn out. As pointed out numerous times, it seems like this release is targeted at the older and more hardcore crowd if given a sub-only release.

[LOUiE]

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Njr Scrawl said:
We need some "taster" episodes first, to see &amp; hear.

I don't know if you were into animé when KOR TV was first proposed in similar fashion, but at that time AnimEigo had released the OVAs in 3 volumes and 1st movie before, so KOR TV was desired from viewing earlier releases.


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But wouldn't that ruin the TV series for those who have seen the movie beforehand? I certainly hope they don't do a similar fashion with LoGH. I don't think previews or trailers or even the 1st episode/disc would be any indication of how this series would turn out. As pointed out numerous times, it seems like this release is targeted at the older and more hardcore crowd if given a sub-only release.

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Actually I don't think it'll ruin it really. I've heard that the first movie is actually a prequel to the whole series so it'd be like seeing the very beginning, just not the release order that Japan got.

[ObiKenobi]

My question is are we gonna have to by the entire set at once and pay a few thousands dollars or they gonna break it up into miniboxes that are a bit more reasonably priced, cause i cant justify plunking down a few thousand for a show ive never seen despite how cool it looks. Not sure if anyone has asked this yet but any info would be nice.

[Milliardo]

They said it would be competitive with R1 prices and here's a quote from someone in this thread:

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164 episodes at 5 episodes per disc on DVD-5 for $24.95 per disc plus the movies would be about $899.99. It would also be about 36 discs.

164 episodes at 6 or 7 episodes per disc on DVD-9 like Tylor for $29.95 per disc plus the movies would be about $799.99. It would also be about 28 discs.

Both much more acceptable, and it's the only kind of pricing that is reasonable for such a long, virtually unknown (stateside) series.

I would think pricing like this would at the very least quadruple the demand

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[LOUiE]

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My question is are we gonna have to by the entire set at once and pay a few thousands dollars or they gonna break it up into miniboxes that are a bit more reasonably priced, cause i cant justify plunking down a few thousand for a show ive never seen despite how cool it looks. Not sure if anyone has asked this yet but any info would be nice.

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It's been asked many times and the answer is we don't know yet. They haven't decided how they are going to release it yet so anything you hear otherwise is rumor. They do know we can't plunk down that kind of cash all at once so what they want to do is bring it out in small 4-6 disc boxes or something close to that to make it easier to buy.

[ObiKenobi]

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They said it would be competitive with R1 prices and here's a quote from someone in this thread:

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164 episodes at 5 episodes per disc on DVD-5 for $24.95 per disc plus the movies would be about $899.99. It would also be about 36 discs.

164 episodes at 6 or 7 episodes per disc on DVD-9 like Tylor for $29.95 per disc plus the movies would be about $799.99. It would also be about 28 discs.

Both much more acceptable, and it's the only kind of pricing that is reasonable for such a long, virtually unknown (stateside) series.

I would think pricing like this would at the very least quadruple the demand

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From the site Chris had posted it said that the cost would be almost 2000 dollars.

"The Japanese release consisted of 47 DVDs (including 2 special features DVDs) at 231,000 yen (approximately 1,925 USD). We'd be making a new English version for an American release, so the price may likely remain about the same."

Is what that site says, I'm not sure where that other person got their information from....

[ObiKenobi]

So maybe someone has heard new information that hasnt been updated on the official site, but from what I read off of the survey site it says about 2000 dollars...so if that price comes down i will be more inclined to buy...