Rahxephon 7 WOW and WTF SPOILERS

[banksie]

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1] Ayato never found out the ey opatch guy [watai?] was his Dad did he? How can he really be his dad, Maya was his adoptive Mother, and he was produced from Quans DNA along with Ishtuki, how does mr. eye-patch really relate to him at all, adoptive father?

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Think cloning and genetic engineering. Ayato is a mixture of human and mulian DNA (because after all Mulians are humans). My suspicion is that thanks to the splitting of the world the Xephon system required two intrumentalists one human, which is why Ayato retains his red blood through the series, and one Mulian. The series was very deliberate about showing a mirror duality about Quon and Ayato where the two are complements of each other. (In a mathematical sense of complement.)

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2] Jin Kinugi [AKA the commander's] death. I know he had extensive injuries after the Mu attack on Terra headquarters, but was it the Jupiter effect that killed him instead? The effect did kill Kuki, but then why wwasnt everyone in Tokyo destroyed when TJ was erected?

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The TJ effect is a dimensional barrier within which a segment of reality is held at odds with the outside world. The Mu used this to insulate their instrumentalists from the real world which is what Tokyo Jupiter was about. As soon as they were brought out of the effect they began the synchronisation process with Dolems.

Now if a Dolem is a linking device allowing one personality to straddle two specific dimensions, what happens when the Dolem and body get shunted into a third bubble dimension? Based on what happens to Kuki my answer would be very very bad things. I don't think the barrier itself destroyed Kuki's Dolem but rather the act of being forced into this dimensional discontinuity. Thus the barrier doesn't destroy things contained within it as it forms it was the Dolem's own special nature and function that destroyed it.

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3] Who's sayoko, i just cant match the name with the face?

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Itsuki's carefully cloned girlfriend and also research assistant. Sayoko Nanamori.

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4] How did Ayato know that it was Mamoru devatsting the Vermillions and attacking Nira-Kanai, he hadnt attacked Megumi yet so Ayato didnt know about his 'evil' frustration, the Rahxephon didnt really let up on his Dolem either, i know Ayato was angry, but would he rip of the Dolems arms and be able to completely destroy it if he knew it was linked to his [at the time] best-friend?

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You are right, he probably wouldn't and indeed he wasn't aware that Mamoru was controlling the Dolem at that point. It is only once Mamoru has Megumi that the linkage becomes clear to Ayato. Indeed his reason for fighting that Dolem was partly to protect Mamoru because he didn't want to lose another friend to this war.

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5] Quans love for Ayato. I dont want to sound crude, because it seemed as though even Ayato and Haruka were related at a point in the series, but did Quan want to be with Ayato, or was her love merely as a 'mother'?

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Towards the end of the series they reinforce the point that Ayato is a kind and decent young man. For me Quon wants to end the Mulian's torment and the danger of the world reverting to a "sea of mud" thanks to the ill-fated use of the Xephon system. But she has also come to realise, through Ayato's actions and knowing him, that humanity has its good points too. She also knows full well by series end, once her memories are restored, that Ayato is her progeny too which changes what her yolteolt is - it shifts from merely bringing the Mu back to wanting to see Ayato happy as well.

So the short answer is yes, Quon's love is more motherly.

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Thoughts: Ayato must have resurrected all the people he knew, theres no way he would have let So, Jin, Elvi and all the others stay dead, he connected with them all at some point and i know he would have wanted So and Kim together, especially after seeing Kim's depression. I dont think he wiped their memories clean either, he couldnt have left lingering memories of the 2 Mu wars but i think he would have left the base-friendship between the whole group without it seeming weird. Jin wouldnt have been friends with Kuki either as someone mentioned early on in the thread, he would have sensed his weasely betrayel at some point and granted him a very slow death. he would have finally been happy with his wife and little girl though


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We don't know and to a large extent it is better we don't know. You can come up with your own interpretation as to where Jin, So, Elvy and others ended up. My money is that Ayato removed the Xephon system from history, preventing the need for the war and the dimensional split itself from occuring.

[banksie]

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Flameswordsman86 said:
Q: It was mentioned ages ago in this thread, but exactly why did Itsuki, Helena and Makoto appear as children above Prof. Kamina's head in the church. Makoto and Itsuki were brought up like 'clones' [you know what i mean, no biological parents] and i presume Helena was too seen as her purpose was to be Barbhems host body, did Prof. Kamina make these children aswell. Must've donated his DNA to make Itsuki seen as he's Ayato's brother


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Itsuki is effectively a child of Watari's. Also Watari was feeling very guilty over helping Bahbem because he knew what he was up to and the cost in lives, including those of these children, that was entailed. It was after all Watari who found Maya and Quon as well as the black egg of Xephon.

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Can anyone be sure that Bouchi the cat wasnt alive in the scene with a grown up Ayato and Haruka? It could very well be a puppet, but the cat could just be exausted, especially since baby Quan would be wearing it out [she jumps/falls onto the cat here aswell]

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Given that he has sewen seams and a cut out tongue I think it is safe to say Bucchi is stuffed at this point. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

[Flameswordsman86]

When did Itsuki and Haruka get together? Itsuki can see and recognises Ixtli when she appears in front of Ayato on the ship thats fleeing Nirai-Kinai. If they met in college [?] wouldnt Haruka have changed in those 5 or so years, she looks quite a lot different in her adult version compared to her 14 year old look

Kim is definately pregnant, i never really paid any attention but Megumi is stressing that she tells So something very important when they're fleeing from the Mu in the final episodes

[Nylock]

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When did Itsuki and Haruka get together? Itsuki can see and recognises Ixtli when she appears in front of Ayato on the ship thats fleeing Nirai-Kinai. If they met in college [?] wouldnt Haruka have changed in those 5 or so years, she looks quite a lot different in her adult version compared to her 14 year old look


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They met at college - it appears in a flashback scene in the series, although I couldn't point you to it right off. I'm not sure the scene actually shows the pair of them clearly, but you've probably hit on one reason why that would be - they go to a lot of trouble to avoid linking Mishima Reika with Haruka, although you do see the young Haruka in the flashback to the time of the Mu war.

The other reason for not showing the pair clearly would be that the resemblance between Ayato and Itsuki would have been more obvious since the ages would have closer. Haruka is attracted to Itsuki because of the resemblance, but it doesn't work out because while he may look like Ayato, he isn't the same person. She was only using him as a substitute for her real love, something which didn't do either of them much good.

[Westlo]

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michaelwb said:
Indeed. It has been one amazing thread. I know that I'm insane to suggest it, but is there any chance this thread could be edited down to the essential discussions, compiled and posted as a column or something. It would be an amazingly good resource.

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This really is an amazing thread, easily the best thread I'm read on RahXephon since it finished it's tv run in japan.

With permission I'll love to have a crack at editing this thread down

[Westlo]

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banksie said:
Anyhoo if you check here :-

http://www.geocities.com/~banksp/Rec/Anime/Index.html


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Um dude has your page moved or something?

And can someone give me the link to the dandelion girl coda again please?

[Nylock]

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Westlo said:
And can someone give me the link to the dandelion girl coda again please?

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Dandelion Girl (http://www.scifi.com/scifiction/classics/classics_archive/young2/young21.html)

[Corwyn]

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Westlo said:
Um dude has your page moved or something?


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Well, if you check the root access of his page you will see it has moved and he provided an address.

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Webfort Khantazi has moved to...



http://www.khantazi.org


Please update your bookmarks accordingly.

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John

[Westlo]

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Corwyn said:
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Westlo said:
Um dude has your page moved or something?


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Well, if you check the root access of his page you will see it has moved and he provided an address.

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Webfort Khantazi has moved to...



http://www.khantazi.org


Please update your bookmarks accordingly.

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John

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thanks all

[banksie]

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Corwyn said:
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Westlo said:
Um dude has your page moved or something?


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Well, if you check the root access of his page you will see it has moved and he provided an address.


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I've kept the relative structure identical, so you just chop out the http://www.geocities.com/~banksp/ and replace it with http://www.khantazi.org/. All should then work as before.

I did contemplate recreating the entire site as a set of mirror pages but it would have been a fiddly manual labour intensive job and I got lazy. /images/graemlins/happy.gif On the upside I've been looking into Texhnolyze and been finding some interesting things as of volume 2. I'll be doing a 'speculations' blurb on that series soonish.

[kusanagi-sama]

I had just finished watching RahXephon last night (I must be the last person on the forum to do so). I had started a thread asking about the events in the end of episode 26 here (http://forums.animeondvd.com/showflat.php?Cat=2&Number=1062453&page=0&view=coll apsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1)

Hmmm... It seems reading this thread took me an hour to read it.

[wanfu2k1]

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kusanagi-sama said:
I had just finished watching RahXephon last night (I must be the last person on the forum to do so). I had started a thread asking about the events in the end of episode 26 here (http://forums.animeondvd.com/showflat.php?Cat=2&Number=1062453&page=0&view=coll apsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1)

Hmmm... It seems reading this thread took me an hour to read it.

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Heh at least it was an interesting read no? Man I thought this thread would have fallen outta cyberspace by now.

[juliant59]

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wanfu2k1 said:
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kusanagi-sama said:
I had just finished watching RahXephon last night (I must be the last person on the forum to do so). I had started a thread asking about the events in the end of episode 26 here (http://forums.animeondvd.com/showflat.php?Cat=2&Number=1062453&page=0&view=coll apsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1)

Hmmm... It seems reading this thread took me an hour to read it.

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Heh at least it was an interesting read no? Man I thought this thread would have fallen outta cyberspace by now.

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This was one of my favorite threads ever on AOD and it really helped me when I needed some help in understanding the many mysteries of RahXephon. I hope this thread stays here for a long long time, so it can help those who haven't seen Rah and will do so in the future.

[pumpkinsmoke]

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kusanagi-sama said:
I had just finished watching RahXephon last night (I must be the last person on the forum to do so). I had started a thread asking about the events in the end of episode 26 here (http://forums.animeondvd.com/showflat.php?Cat=2&Number=1062453&page=0&view=coll apsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1)

Hmmm... It seems reading this thread took me an hour to read it.

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Heh at least it was an interesting read no? Man I thought this thread would have fallen outta cyberspace by now.

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Haha me too. I love it when it mysteriously pops back up. But yes, a great and very helpful thread.

[samwise]

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pumpkinsmoke said:
Haha me too. I love it when it mysteriously pops back up. But yes, a great and very helpful thread.

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Was for me as well, however I found this site to be even more helpful:

www.khantazi.org/Rec/Anime/Index.html (http://www.khantazi.org/Rec/Anime/Index.html)

[SoopyKun]

It should be stickied forever, and be required reading.

[Teiresias]

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It should be stickied forever, and be required reading.

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Don't forget to take the test. What? No one told you about the RahXephon exam required of all Otaku? /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

[ooga]

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michaelwb said:
Indeed. It has been one amazing thread. I know that I'm insane to suggest it, but is there any chance this thread could be edited down to the essential discussions, compiled and posted as a column or something. It would be an amazingly good resource.

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This really is an amazing thread, easily the best thread I'm read on RahXephon since it finished it's tv run in japan.

With permission I'll love to have a crack at editing this thread down

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You have my blessing my son! /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[madstar1017]

Wow, that took a long time.

I just reread this entire thread (all 26 pages) at "banksie"'s direction, and wow do you people speculate :D Kudos to all of you.

Anyway, since you people have said so much, I'll contribute something not one of you has said! :D

In episode 11 (Nightmare/Kyoja Circuit), note the high scores list on the violent video game Mamoru plays. Minami is Masahiko Minami, a producer (bones). Buchi is the cat. Nakata is Nakato Johji, Kunugi's Japanese VA. And Yutaka is Yutaka Izubuchi, the almighty creator. :D

Oh, on that 3 disc set that person is talking about, that is the RahXephon Complete Collection (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000929VA4/qid=1121915258/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-3338324-1840629?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846), which I own, and I highly doubt is bootleg. So don't nag at him/her! :D

ANYWAYS, I DO have a question that no one has seemed to answer: That is, what is with the "Obsidian Butterfly/Find a Last Song/in Deep Blue Forest" thing! Is it a literary allusion? That quote thing has befuddled me for a long time.
[EDIT]: Wow, just watching Blue Friend and saw a sign on the bus that said "Aomori" which according to my limited Japanese means "blue forest". Why didn't I catch this before?

I get a lot of other stuff though, so try asking me!

OH, and visit my RahXephon site, RahXeFUN!! (http://rahxephon.keenspace.com), with info AND the best RahXephon parody comic EVER!! because it's the only one! /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[roastedpekingduck]

The 3 disc set is a bootleg. The real version has seven discs. I bet the Japanese R2 has even more. Sorry, but you got a case of the newbie bootleg. Don't worry, I ate one of those two with Trigun and the Studio Ghibli movies. I burned my bootlegs upon discovery that they were bootlegs.

[madstar1017]

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The 3 disc set is a bootleg. The real version has seven discs. I bet the Japanese R2 has even more. Sorry, but you got a case of the newbie bootleg. Don't worry, I ate one of those two with Trigun and the Studio Ghibli movies. I burned my bootlegs upon discovery that they were bootlegs.

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That's strange, why would Amazon sell a bootleg? I thought they had more credibility than that.

[roastedpekingduck]

Did you buy it in Amazon used? Amazon doesn't sell bootlegs. It's used sellers do.

[madstar1017]

Ooh, yeah, I did buy it used /images/graemlins/depresse.gif Dammit!!!

[roastedpekingduck]

Oh well, you've learned. Everyone starts off with a bootleg.

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Everyone starts off with a bootleg.

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???

[madstar1017]

;_;

I'm watching Blue Friend right now, and learning that I just got a bootleg is only adding to the depression.

There, Hiroko just died ;_;

*cries*

*takes Prozac*

Am I missing anything? I got the episodes, the movie, and some character sketches....quality's not a matter since I'm watching it on a relatively small and old, but still fine, TV. Does the Collection come with the liner notes?

Ah well, it was only $34, so no big loss, at least ^^;

[roastedpekingduck]

I meant that many collectors start out buying a bootleg by accident.

[banksie]

The older collection has booklets that come with each volume that have artwork designs, character notes and interviews with the staff. So thats seven booklets of interview goodness which you can add the movie booklet to as well.

I *think* the newer collection is a thinpack that has just the discs but haven't actually sighted it personally yet. (Nor am I likely to, my original release collection is all I need.)

[kusanagi-sama]

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The older collection has booklets that come with each volume that have artwork designs, character notes and interviews with the staff. So thats seven booklets of interview goodness which you can add the movie booklet to as well.

I *think* the newer collection is a thinpack that has just the discs but haven't actually sighted it personally yet. (Nor am I likely to, my original release collection is all I need.)

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Yes, the new complete collection is a thinpack without the booklets.

[madstar1017]

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kusanagi-sama said:
Yes, the new complete collection is a thinpack without the booklets.

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So there's a shot that the 3-disc collection I have is legit?

[roastedpekingduck]

Nope. That extraless release still has six discs.

[kusanagi-sama]

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kusanagi-sama said:
Yes, the new complete collection is a thinpack without the booklets.

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So there's a shot that the 3-disc collection I have is legit?

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Nope. Any 26 episode TV series on just 3 DVDs will always be a bootleg.

[DKL]

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I meant that many collectors start out buying a bootleg by accident.

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That's quite true :?

[madstar1017]

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kusanagi-sama said:
Nope. Any 26 episode TV series on just 3 DVDs will always be a bootleg.

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/images/graemlins/depresse.gif

I asked the seller (animebusiness, on amazon) and he said it was the "import release" and said he'd give me if I wanted, basically anything to avoid a negative review.

[roastedpekingduck]

/images/graemlins/devil.gifAsk for his mother, his sister, his wife, his daughter and a refund.

[warkin]

The episode where Mamoru goes to liove with Ayato puzzles me...

After Asahina's death, Ayato learns killing the Dolem kills a human from Tokyo Jupiter. His other friend Mamoru comes to live with him and then shortly afterwards another Dolem attacks. Ayato, without much hesitation gets into the Dolem thinking he is going to "protect" his friend. Mamoru even showed the same symptoms as Asahina. Why does Ayato still think killing the Dolem will protect his friend even after what happened to Asahina?

I think Ayato was kinda in denial about the whole Mulian situation. He didn't want to believe that his friend was the enemy.

[Shale]

The only satisfactory answer I've ever been able to come up with to that question is that Ayato is utterly retarded.

[DKL]

Actually, I think it's because MAMORU was beggin for AYATO to protect him

So Ayato goes out to kick some ass, but then MAMORU is like, pissed off, since AYATO killed ASAHINA

So he's luring him out to fight I guess, so maybe AYATO knew that it would mean killing a person from TJ, but he probably didn't know it would be MAMORU *even with the symptons I guess he wasn't too sure (denial)*

... well, that's what I've got right now, but I really need to see the series again though since I'm not entirely too sure

What DID bother me though is the fact that MAMORU wasn't bleeding all over the place like ASAHINA was, I still don't get it for some reason o_o

anyway, all these questions and the fact that I initially liked the show is a good sign, since I'm very likely to see it again

well, if memory serves, mamoru didn't get all that damaged in his fight against ayato. he was a much more skillful pilot than asahina. but I also need to re-watch RahXephon because it's been a long time since I saw it and I'm starting to forget stuff. /images/graemlins/shy00000.gif

[DKL]

Actually, I'm sort of thinking the same thing... but now I'm not too sure

Didn't one of his arms get torn off? *err... the 3rd one... wait, did his dolem have another one?*

Dammit, I can't really remember for some reason

His airboard thing got destroyed, I know that for sure. And yeah, I think his mech mighta lost an arm. He was probably in pain when that happened and I think that's probably partly why he retreated.

Anyway, speaking of RahXephon and not watching it for a long time....though I've owned the movie for a long long time now, I still have not watched it! I started watching it once but had to stop it because it seemed.....pointless. I mean, if I wanna watch the series over again I'll...watch the series over again. The beginning was just too much retread, not enough originality. Perhaps I should just give it another chance, I dunno.

[DKL]

That's the thing, he was in pain, but he wasn't bleeding all over the place...

still kinda puzzles me, ya' know?

Well, it's also possible they used Asahina's injuries to make the scene more emotional.

[DKL]

DAMN!

Okay, now that's an answer that makes sense

Good work

[warkin]

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Actually, I think it's because MAMORU was beggin for AYATO to protect him

So Ayato goes out to kick some ass, but then MAMORU is like, pissed off, since AYATO killed ASAHINA

So he's luring him out to fight I guess, so maybe AYATO knew that it would mean killing a person from TJ, but he probably didn't know it would be MAMORU *even with the symptons I guess he wasn't too sure (denial)*

... well, that's what I've got right now, but I really need to see the series again though since I'm not entirely too sure

What DID bother me though is the fact that MAMORU wasn't bleeding all over the place like ASAHINA was, I still don't get it for some reason o_o

anyway, all these questions and the fact that I initially liked the show is a good sign, since I'm very likely to see it again

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That explanation kinda makes sense. Thanks.

I agree too that the whole Asahina bleeding thing is to make the already dramatic scene even more dramatic.

[DKL]

Goes to show you that for the most part, you won't get anywhere if you think to hard and technical about it :?

Well, now that's solved, I better watch again soon

[Iridium]

This thread is starting to break up now in flat mode, so in case people want to continue the discussion, I'm splitting it off into Part II (http://forums.animeondvd.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=1208947).