Fighting Spirit - Hajimeno Ippo disc 1 problem [Archive]

Vicious

07-15-2004, 04:10 PM

Has anyone else had any problems with their Hajimeno Ippo disc 1? I got mine a few weeks back from TRSI. But I could not play the last 2 episodes. It would play the first 3 episodes and then stop. I could not access it through the menu, through forwarding or rewinding.

I sent it back to TRSI to get replaced. A lady from TRSI called me back today and told me the discs were 'made this way by the manufacturer'. I was like 'What?????' She said this is how they were designed. I was like why would they design them to only play the 1st 3 episodes when they advertise 5 on the box and your site advertises it as 115 minutes. She was like 'I don't know, but the manufacturer designed it this way and noone can get them to play on any of their discs'. I told her I am almost positive there is no way that could be true and that I would call her back tomm after verifying.

Fluffy

07-15-2004, 04:20 PM

Which DVD player are you using? Stand alone DVD player? PC drive? Game box player?

Vicious

07-15-2004, 04:31 PM

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Which DVD player are you using? Stand alone DVD player? PC drive? Game box player?

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It's a stand alone Sony DVP-NS725P that has never had any problems with any R1 like this.

But that's not the issue here. She said that someone at TRSI watched it and couldn't get it to play either and that all the discs were 'manufacured' this way. That is what I'm trying to verify or disprove.

Fluffy

07-15-2004, 04:46 PM

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But that's not the issue here. She said that someone at TRSI watched it and couldn't get it to play either and that all the discs were 'manufacured' this way. That is what I'm trying to verify or disprove.

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Hmmmm....well, Chris B. didn't seem to have this problem from the sounds of his review:

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This series is an obviously long commitment with its length, but after these first five episodes, I'm excited that I have something really great to watch over the next two years or so. This is the kind of show that gets me excited about anime and really reinvigorates when I get into those slumps of poor show.
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(Source (http://www.animeondvd.com/reviews2/disc_reviews/2927.php))

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It is odd that someone at TRSI told you the disc was made that way though. I don't have to the disc yet, but plan on it. Hopefully other didn't have this problem. /images/graemlins/sad.gif

akcoll99

07-15-2004, 04:53 PM

There seems to be an epidemic of problems with this disc, all centered around Sony players. It came up on this thread (http://forums.animeondvd.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=glitchdisc&Number=553423&p age=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=all) where I and another poster both compared notes about the unplayability and found that we both had Sony players, mine a Sony DVD-S360 from 2000 and his a different, newer Sony model. Now that I know more people are starting to experience this same problme, I plan on contacting Geneon and seeing where that gets me. Meanwhile, I wait for my exchange disc from DVD Pacific hoping that it will play alright, though I'm pretty sure it won't... /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

Vicious

07-15-2004, 04:53 PM

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Flood said:
It is odd that someone at TRSI told you the disc was made that way though. I don't have to the disc yet, but plan on it. Hopefully other didn't have this problem. /images/graemlins/sad.gif

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I thought it was odd too. I mean, there would have been an uproar on the forums if this had in fact been true. I mean, Geneon advertises 5 episodes but actually puts 3 on the disc?? We never would have heard the end of it. That's what I was basically trying to tell her.

She didn't have many details, but was very adamant since she kept reiterating that 'this is how they manufactured it'. I'm like what does 'this' refer to? That they meant to advertise 5 but only actually put 3 episodes on it?

By the way, I can't believe I was too stupid to think of checking Chris' review on my own. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

07-15-2004, 05:01 PM

I'm using a Philips 727 player, and I had no problems. Got my disc from TRSI also.

Vicious

07-15-2004, 05:06 PM

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akcoll99 said:
There seems to be an epidemic of problems with this disc, all centered around Sony players. It came up on this thread (http://forums.animeondvd.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=glitchdisc&Number=553423&p age=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=all) where I and another poster both compared notes about the unplayability and found that we both had Sony players, mine a Sony DVD-S360 from 2000 and his a different, newer Sony model. Now that I know more people are starting to experience this same problme, I plan on contacting Geneon and seeing where that gets me. Meanwhile, I wait for my exchange disc from DVD Pacific hoping that it will play alright, though I'm pretty sure it won't... /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

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Thanks for the link. But everyone there was having little things like audio problems. Mine wouldn't even read the last 2 episodes and also when I'd go to 'extras' and try to play the 'trailers', it would just freeze on the menu screen and not let me do anything.

TAS

07-15-2004, 05:21 PM

Plays fine on my Panasonic RP-56, and on my computer Pioneer DVD rom / Power DVD. Episode 4 is playing now...

BULLDOG1

07-15-2004, 07:11 PM

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akcoll99 said:
There seems to be an epidemic of problems with this disc, all centered around Sony players. It came up on this thread (http://forums.animeondvd.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=glitchdisc&Number=553423&p age=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=all) where I and another poster both compared notes about the unplayability and found that we both had Sony players, mine a Sony DVD-S360 from 2000 and his a different, newer Sony model.

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I don't think that Sony DVD Players are entirely to blame as I have not had any problems playing this disc on my Sony 5-disc DVD changer (DVP-NC600).

So far, I've watched through the first 2 episodes (Japanese w/subtitles) and after talking with Vicious, tested the trailers and was able to start playing episode 4 without any problems. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

I'll finish watching this disc later tonight. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

BTW, I'm really glad that I decided to get this series. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

A.J.

joelgundam01

07-15-2004, 09:35 PM

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Bulldog said:

I don't think that Sony DVD Players are entirely to blame as I have not had any problems playing this disc on my Sony 5-disc DVD changer (DVP-NC600).

So far, I've watched through the first 2 episodes (Japanese w/subtitles) and after talking with Vicious, tested the trailers and was able to start playing episode 4 without any problems. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

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I believe the problem is with Geneon and a lack of play testing. I'm not encountering the same problems as the others. However, I am encountering some minor gliches with Geneon DVDs on my Sony ns-315 model. For example, my remote locks up and I have to press the button about 3-5 times before it reacts. If I stop the player and then press play again the remote starting working agian. BTW I already checked the batteries and this problem only occurs with a few Geneon titles I have.

iserlohn

07-15-2004, 09:37 PM

Played 100% on my DVD-ROM+WinDVD.

akcoll99

07-16-2004, 05:01 PM

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akcoll99 said:
There seems to be an epidemic of problems with this disc, all centered around Sony players. It came up on this thread (http://forums.animeondvd.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=glitchdisc&Number=553423&p age=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=all) where I and another poster both compared notes about the unplayability and found that we both had Sony players, mine a Sony DVD-S360 from 2000 and his a different, newer Sony model. Now that I know more people are starting to experience this same problme, I plan on contacting Geneon and seeing where that gets me. Meanwhile, I wait for my exchange disc from DVD Pacific hoping that it will play alright, though I'm pretty sure it won't... /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

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Thanks for the link. But everyone there was having little things like audio problems. Mine wouldn't even read the last 2 episodes and also when I'd go to 'extras' and try to play the 'trailers', it would just freeze on the menu screen and not let me do anything.

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Well, I just got my 'replacement' copy from DVD Pacific today and any hopes of being able to watch the rest of the disc were dashed as soon as I tried loading anything off the Extras menu and was greeted by the same clunking sound and player freeze up that greeted me with the first copy I bought. I plan on writing Geneon and see if they have any solution for this, but as it stands now, my interest in buying anymore of this 15 (or so) volume series just faded. I'm not going to go through this with anymore discs in the series. I hope Geneon player tests their discs better from now on... /images/graemlins/depresse.gif

Vicious

07-16-2004, 05:24 PM

I called TRSI back today and the CS rep told me that this is a problem with Sony DVD players. That they played it on a Sony and it wouldn't play, but that they played it on an Apex and it played fine.

Which leads me to believe, that it is possible that this could be a problem with Sony DVD players. But why would they tell me yesterday that 'Noone can watch these episodes' and that 'the manufacturer designed the discs this way' so that 'noone can view them'? That sounds much different than what I heard today.

Gotta wait for the replacement and see what the results are.

slerch666

07-16-2004, 07:35 PM

I meant to post here earlier, but forgot. I have a Pioneer DV-434 and it works flawlessly on my player. Extras, all the episodes and so on.

Maybe they manufactured it so only Pioneer players would use it so their old buddies in the electronics dept of Pioneer would see more sales? (being sarcastic there).

Bandai has problems with Pioneer players (or at least, they blame all their problems on Pioneer players when it clearly isn't a Pioneer only issue, see the S-Cry-Ed 4 and .hack//LotT threads here in the Glitch disc area). It took someone (me) to post a feedback thread and hash out every player that had problems and it was clearly NOT a Pioneer related problem as Sony, Apex and others had issues as well. Still waiting to hear back on that one...

joelgundam01

07-16-2004, 09:08 PM

slerch666 you may have to report to Geneon on this one to. If it was indeed a Sony player problem. I would contact Sony my self, because I have some connections with Sony. I also should note that not all Sony players are having this problem with Geneon discs. Just certain models, like some Pioneer models had problems with Bandai discs.

Vicious

07-16-2004, 09:37 PM

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The first RS rep was on crack or something when she told you that's how they manufactured it.

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The only problem is that it was the same CS rep both times. She told me to call her back the next day and that's what I did. That's why I'm confused by the slightly contrasting explanations.

So it could be a Sony problem huh? I guess I'll find out next week when I get my replacement disc in the mail.

BULLDOG1

07-17-2004, 01:30 AM

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slerch666 you may have to report to Geneon on this one to. If it was indeed a Sony player problem. I would contact Sony my self, because I have some connections with Sony. I also should note that not all Sony players are having this problem with Geneon discs. Just certain models, like some Pioneer models had problems with Bandai discs.

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I was able to play the entire DVD (all 5 eps and extras) on my Sony 5-disc DVD changer without any problems whatsoever (BTW, it's a great series and I can't wait to get the next volume - no volume of it will spend any length of time in my backlog /images/graemlins/cool.gif ).

However, I will try it in another "less capable" single disc Sony DVD player later today in order to see if it plays without problems in that model as well as I've noticed in the past that certain discs didn't play as well in that model. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

A.J.

slerch666

07-17-2004, 07:17 AM

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Vicious said:
The only problem is that it was the same CS rep both times. She told me to call her back the next day and that's what I did. That's why I'm confused by the slightly contrasting explanations.

So it could be a Sony problem huh? I guess I'll find out next week when I get my replacement disc in the mail.

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I'd be confused as well.

Since other people seem to not have problems, my guess is that if the disc wasn't defective, then your player MAY be at fault.

Now I know why when I have problems I just email CS and get the RMA without actually speaking to anyone...

BULLDOG1

07-17-2004, 05:53 PM

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Bulldog said:
However, I will try it in another "less capable" single disc Sony DVD player later today in order to see if it plays without problems in that model as well as I've noticed in the past that certain discs didn't play as well in that model. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

A.J.

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Well, I spot tested each chapter of the disc and all of the extras (FWIW, the bloopers and outtakes were amusing /images/graemlins/wink.gif ) in a Sony DVP-NS300 single disc DVD player and didn't notice any problems at all.

A.J.

akcoll99

07-17-2004, 09:28 PM

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slerch666 said:
Since other people seem to not have problems, my guess is that if the disc wasn't defective, then your player MAY be at fault.

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It looks to be a player fault. I got my copy replaced and STILL had the same problems. Though I can get it to work in my DVD-ROM drive. I plan on contacting Geneon and ask them about it, but the suggestion to contact Sony too might not be such a bad idea...

slerch666

07-17-2004, 09:47 PM

If someone with the problem has the ability, try ripping the DVD to your HDD, remove the region code and the player exceptions (or whatever thay call those things the DVD programmers don't want you to do), burn it to a DVD-RW and see if it works then. Since it's 5 episodes it may be a dual layer disc and compressing it may have to be done to get it to fit on a single disc, but since you're only doing it for testing, not back up, quality shouldn't be an issue. And if you use an RW it can be used again.

TAS

07-18-2004, 10:16 AM

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akcoll99 said:
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slerch666 said:
Since other people seem to not have problems, my guess is that if the disc wasn't defective, then your player MAY be at fault.

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It looks to be a player fault. I got my copy replaced and STILL had the same problems. Though I can get it to work in my DVD-ROM drive. I plan on contacting Geneon and ask them about it, but the suggestion to contact Sony too might not be such a bad idea...

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The disk could have an error, the error correction in some players can recover from the error, and some can not and barf when they hit it.

TAS

07-18-2004, 10:20 AM

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slerch666 said:
If someone with the problem has the ability, try ripping the DVD to your HDD, remove the region code and the player exceptions (or whatever thay call those things the DVD programmers don't want you to do), burn it to a DVD-RW and see if it works then. Since it's 5 episodes it may be a dual layer disc and compressing it may have to be done to get it to fit on a single disc, but since you're only doing it for testing, not back up, quality shouldn't be an issue. And if you use an RW it can be used again.

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That fixed the problem with Big O II -> Pioneer. It would be intresting to see if it fixed this one too.

joelgundam01

07-18-2004, 01:50 PM

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Bulldog said:
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Bulldog said:
However, I will try it in another "less capable" single disc Sony DVD player later today in order to see if it plays without problems in that model as well as I've noticed in the past that certain discs didn't play as well in that model. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

A.J.

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Well, I spot tested each chapter of the disc and all of the extras (FWIW, the bloopers and outtakes were amusing /images/graemlins/wink.gif ) in a Sony DVP-NS300 single disc DVD player and didn't notice any problems at all.

A.J.

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Well we can rule out that it is a Sony player problem. It sound like Geneon needs to play test there disc better. Thanks for looking into it.

slerch666

07-18-2004, 02:41 PM

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Well we can rule out that it is a Sony player problem. It sound like Geneon needs to play test there disc better. Thanks for looking into it.

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It's still possible it's a glitch on the model he is using, as when Bandai was having issues it wasn't ALL 'Pioneer' Players, it was certain models.

BULLDOG1

07-18-2004, 04:41 PM

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slerch666 said:
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joelgundam01 said:
Well we can rule out that it is a Sony player problem. It sound like Geneon needs to play test there disc better. Thanks for looking into it.

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It's still possible it's a glitch on the model he is using, as when Bandai was having issues it wasn't ALL 'Pioneer' Players, it was certain models.

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Actually, I tested it in 2 very different models of Sony DVD players without any problems encountered whatsoever. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

However, I do believe that you are quite possibly correct in that only certain models are affected... similiar to the Bandai/Pioneer problems that you mentioned. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Especially since it has been reported by at least one person that simply exchanging the DVD for a new copy didn't help them to be able to play it. /images/graemlins/relief.gif

A.J.

07-18-2004, 06:55 PM

I have had major problems watching episodes 4 and 5 on
both of my dvd players (Daewoo and Sylvania). So this
is not related to only Sony dvd players.

I sure hope they fix this!

Raul
(taranwanderer)

akcoll99

07-18-2004, 09:22 PM

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slerch666 said:
Since other people seem to not have problems, my guess is that if the disc wasn't defective, then your player MAY be at fault.

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It looks to be a player fault. I got my copy replaced and STILL had the same problems. Though I can get it to work in my DVD-ROM drive. I plan on contacting Geneon and ask them about it, but the suggestion to contact Sony too might not be such a bad idea...

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The disk could have an error, the error correction in some players can recover from the error, and some can not and barf when they hit it.

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I became convinced that it's my player tonight when I was trying to watch my copy of Knight Hunters Eternity Volume 1, and hit many of the same lock-up/freezing issues that I was having with Fighting Spirit. But it played just fine on my DVD-ROM drive. I don't know enough about DVD player technology to say for sure what the issue is, but that's two different discs by two different manufacturers now... /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif /images/graemlins/depresse.gif

07-20-2004, 05:06 PM

FWIW, it plays fine with my Panasonic XP50 and even my el cheapo Cyberhome 500.

Vicious

08-01-2004, 05:08 PM

I spoke to one of the Genenon reps at Otakon and he said they are aware of the problem. He said they're currently trying to figure exactly what is causing this and if it is only a problem in a certain number of batches or in all of them.

He said that they (either them or the authoring house or whatever) would be happy to replace the discs for anyone that had any problems once they finally determine what is causing the problem and they have resolved it.

Soulblazer

08-01-2004, 06:54 PM

This is not affecting all Sony players. It works perfectly fine on my DVP-C650D. The player has never failed to play a disk yet /images/graemlins/happy.gif.

akcoll99

08-01-2004, 07:01 PM

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This is not affecting all Sony players. It works perfectly fine on my DVP-C650D. The player has never failed to play a disk yet /images/graemlins/happy.gif.

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I'd be interested to see what Geneon does with this issue. As for me, I got around it by replacing my Sony with a Yamakawa and so far I've had no problems playing Fighting Spirit in it...

tbone7467

03-04-2005, 12:32 PM

yeah I picked this up last night and just got into it and bang nothing after episode 3. has anyone heard anything else about this and what geneon is going to do? I liked the series but am not willing to buy another dvd player just for this series. My player is teh DVP-CX777ES changer if anyone is keeping track of the players that are not working.

Donovan0017

03-04-2005, 01:30 PM

I did not have problems playing the entire DVD in my Samsung player, but I did have a problem with another one of Geneon's releases. My Samsung DVD player would not play the last episode on the first volume of Last Exile, but my Playstation 2 played it fine.

Ashtar00

03-08-2005, 02:28 PM

Ahh, I remember the first thread about problems with this title. If I remember correctly Geneon didn't do a good job of testing this title as a result there were certain Sony players having trouble with it. The problems would vary but the majority was that like with Vicious the last 2 episodes would not play.

I won this title from AOD in a contest a while back. Then the first thread started up and lucky me one player that keep coming up was the Sony DVP-S360 which is my main player. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Everyone who reported that had one of these had the same issue with unable to view the last 2 episodes. I wasn't going to kick a gift horse in the mouth or whatever that expression is being this was the first and still only AOD contest I won. So I stayed quiet and waited for the disc to come.

After finally getting I did have some problems but I could still view the whole disc. I only couldn't skip, fast foward, or stop and resume after episode 3. I had to go to the last chapter of episode 3 which was the next episode preview if I remember and just let the disc just play normally from there and not do anything, otherwise it would stop and freeze on me.

So I guess I got lucky I could still actually watch the whole thing.... oh and winning it from AOD in the first place counts as well I guess. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif