Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex Vol. 3 DTS Problem [Archive]

slerch666

11-16-2004, 07:26 AM

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it's bad enough it's 7 discs and only coming out 2 months at a time!

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No offense, but what are you looking for? 7 is better than the 8 we used to get all the time, and it's in line with what everyone else is doing (ADV, FMP, 7 discs). 2 month lead time is normal for everyone but Funimation and ADV. And Viz, whose lead time is usually MORE than 2 months. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Remember that this license was likely expensive as all Hell to get hold of (and expensive to release, what with recalls and replacements every time /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif), and if they aren't making money, then there would be no point in releasing it. No company releases stuff because they love the fans (well, maybe Animeigo if anyone), it's about money.

I thought the 2 month lead time allowed for more time on QC, evidently that is not the case however.

Mazinkaizer

11-16-2004, 08:38 AM

This is a massive blow for the fans who are buying the series (thank god i am not), if this happened to me i would surly lose interst in it if not in Bandai's releases. Bandai is among my favorite R1 companies, so guys pull your act togeither to retain the nice image many of your fans have for you.

Trey-Trey

11-16-2004, 09:46 AM

Mine was shipped to me yesterday so it should be here by the end of the week at the latest. I have a DTS setup so I'll take a look at it.

From what I know the Dolby Digital regular disc is fine. Someone's already confirmed that disc to be error free.

I would be willing to believe that this disc is messed up considering that the manufacturer (or whoever Bandai was using to author the discs) was still messing things up and Bandai just recently found someone else.

It's quite possible that Vol. 3 had already been pressed. Ick.

Hayate Kurogane

11-16-2004, 10:33 AM

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Trey_in_Atlanta said:
I would be willing to believe that this disc is messed up considering that the manufacturer (or whoever Bandai was using to author the discs) was still messing things up and Bandai just recently found someone else.

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Considering that Ascent has been fucking up Bandai DVDs since s-CRY-ed volume 4 almost a year ago (still no resolution), I would hope that Bandai is investigating some different and more competent authoring houses. At this point, I believe Ascent is the only authoring house they use, so I'm sure such a switch would be difficult. Still (and maybe Skywise or someone else a bit more knowledgeable could answer this), could a defect such as this or the Japanese DTS problem with volume 1 be caused by the authoring house? Or would that have to be done during a process for which Bandai (or Animaze) would be directly responsible (i.e., audio mixing, post, whatever)?

Trey-Trey

11-16-2004, 10:50 AM

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Trey_in_Atlanta said:
I would be willing to believe that this disc is messed up considering that the manufacturer (or whoever Bandai was using to author the discs) was still messing things up and Bandai just recently found someone else.

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Considering that Ascent has been fucking up Bandai DVDs since s-CRY-ed volume 4 almost a year ago (still no resolution), I would hope that Bandai is investigating some different and more competent authoring houses. At this point, I believe Ascent is the only authoring house they use, so I'm sure such a switch would be difficult. Still (and maybe Skywise or someone else a bit more knowledgeable could answer this), could a defect such as this or the Japanese DTS problem with volume 1 be caused by the authoring house? Or would that have to be done during a process for which Bandai (or Animaze) would be directly responsible (i.e., audio mixing, post, whatever)?

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I found the quote I was referring to...
Currently everyone's replacements are on hold. Our vendor has sent us defectives for replacements. Since the vendor is being so unreliable and incredibly late on shipments, we have decided to move the production to another company. This is to insure that we get replacements. This process may take another week or two. Once we receive the replacements we should be able to send out all replacements in a day or two. Thank you for your understanding and patience.

So hopefully Vol. 3 was their last product for Bandai. The production was moved so I'm not sure if they're referring to the authoring house or what. Maybe the authoring house does all the audio etc, and the files are sent to a production place to be pressed into discs. Maybe that's what they mean. I dunno. I'm stupid.

slerch666

11-16-2004, 11:15 AM

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Trey_in_Atlanta said:
I found the quote I was referring to...
Currently everyone's replacements are on hold. Our vendor has sent us defectives for replacements. Since the vendor is being so unreliable and incredibly late on shipments, we have decided to move the production to another company. This is to insure that we get replacements. This process may take another week or two. Once we receive the replacements we should be able to send out all replacements in a day or two. Thank you for your understanding and patience.

So hopefully Vol. 3 was their last product for Bandai. The production was moved so I'm not sure if they're referring to the authoring house or what. Maybe the authoring house does all the audio etc, and the files are sent to a production place to be pressed into discs. Maybe that's what they mean. I dunno. I'm stupid.

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I believe that JUST covers the replacement discs, not Bandai's normal production. So Ascent will likely STILL be Bandai's only manufacturer/authoring house.

The quality, in terms of video and such, that Ascent puts out is good, IMO. THe problem comes in when you have, as Sakura Shinguji pointed out, S-Cry-Ed 4 that's screwed up, plust the ENTIRE .hack//Legend of the Twilight series, that you have to call into question Ascent's abilities.

Everyone should just use SpeeDVD. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Kuroi Kenshin

11-16-2004, 11:28 AM

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Trey_in_Atlanta said:
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Sakura Shinguji said:
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Trey_in_Atlanta said:
I would be willing to believe that this disc is messed up considering that the manufacturer (or whoever Bandai was using to author the discs) was still messing things up and Bandai just recently found someone else.

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Considering that Ascent has been fucking up Bandai DVDs since s-CRY-ed volume 4 almost a year ago (still no resolution), I would hope that Bandai is investigating some different and more competent authoring houses. At this point, I believe Ascent is the only authoring house they use, so I'm sure such a switch would be difficult. Still (and maybe Skywise or someone else a bit more knowledgeable could answer this), could a defect such as this or the Japanese DTS problem with volume 1 be caused by the authoring house? Or would that have to be done during a process for which Bandai (or Animaze) would be directly responsible (i.e., audio mixing, post, whatever)?

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I found the quote I was referring to...
Currently everyone's replacements are on hold. Our vendor has sent us defectives for replacements. Since the vendor is being so unreliable and incredibly late on shipments, we have decided to move the production to another company. This is to insure that we get replacements. This process may take another week or two. Once we receive the replacements we should be able to send out all replacements in a day or two. Thank you for your understanding and patience.

So hopefully Vol. 3 was their last product for Bandai. The production was moved so I'm not sure if they're referring to the authoring house or what. Maybe the authoring house does all the audio etc, and the files are sent to a production place to be pressed into discs.

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I hope that's the case... don't think Bandai wants to make it 4 in a row. /images/graemlins/stunned0.gif

Btw, does anyone find it odd that the DTS problem is with the left rear channel once again?

Hayate Kurogane

11-16-2004, 11:32 AM

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slerch666 said:
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Trey_in_Atlanta said:
I found the quote I was referring to...
Currently everyone's replacements are on hold. Our vendor has sent us defectives for replacements. Since the vendor is being so unreliable and incredibly late on shipments, we have decided to move the production to another company. This is to insure that we get replacements. This process may take another week or two. Once we receive the replacements we should be able to send out all replacements in a day or two. Thank you for your understanding and patience.

So hopefully Vol. 3 was their last product for Bandai. The production was moved so I'm not sure if they're referring to the authoring house or what. Maybe the authoring house does all the audio etc, and the files are sent to a production place to be pressed into discs. Maybe that's what they mean. I dunno. I'm stupid.

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I believe that JUST covers the replacement discs, not Bandai's normal production. So Ascent will likely STILL be Bandai's only manufacturer/authoring house.

The quality, in terms of video and such, that Ascent puts out is good, IMO. THe problem comes in when you have, as Sakura Shinguji pointed out, S-Cry-Ed 4 that's screwed up, plust the ENTIRE .hack//Legend of the Twilight series, that you have to call into question Ascent's abilities.

Everyone should just use SpeeDVD. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Or M.O.F.C., or 342Media (authoring the Gad Guard discs, which look fine), or somebody else.

demonanya

11-16-2004, 12:40 PM

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slerch666 said:
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Trey_in_Atlanta said:
I found the quote I was referring to...
Currently everyone's replacements are on hold. Our vendor has sent us defectives for replacements. Since the vendor is being so unreliable and incredibly late on shipments, we have decided to move the production to another company. This is to insure that we get replacements. This process may take another week or two. Once we receive the replacements we should be able to send out all replacements in a day or two. Thank you for your understanding and patience.

So hopefully Vol. 3 was their last product for Bandai. The production was moved so I'm not sure if they're referring to the authoring house or what. Maybe the authoring house does all the audio etc, and the files are sent to a production place to be pressed into discs. Maybe that's what they mean. I dunno. I'm stupid.

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I believe that JUST covers the replacement discs, not Bandai's normal production. So Ascent will likely STILL be Bandai's only manufacturer/authoring house.

The quality, in terms of video and such, that Ascent puts out is good, IMO. THe problem comes in when you have, as Sakura Shinguji pointed out, S-Cry-Ed 4 that's screwed up, plust the ENTIRE .hack//Legend of the Twilight series, that you have to call into question Ascent's abilities.

Everyone should just use SpeeDVD. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Or M.O.F.C., or 342Media (authoring the Gad Guard discs, which look fine), or somebody else.

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I honestly don't see why they can't get Anchor Bay to do all the authoring for this title, I've never ever had a badly authored Anchor Bay disc, and at least they know what the hell they are doing.

jrs47

11-16-2004, 12:44 PM

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Sakura Shinguji said:
Considering that Ascent has been fucking up Bandai DVDs since s-CRY-ed volume 4 almost a year ago (still no resolution), I would hope that Bandai is investigating some different and more competent authoring houses. At this point, I believe Ascent is the only authoring house they use, so I'm sure such a switch would be difficult.

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Stratos 4 is authored by SpeeDVD.

Hayate Kurogane

11-16-2004, 01:58 PM

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Demonanya said:
I honestly don't see why they can't get Anchor Bay to do all the authoring for this title, I've never ever had a badly authored Anchor Bay disc, and at least they know what the hell they are doing.

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I don't see why you think that would be a logical way to do it, unless you're misinterpreting the Manga involvement. Bandai could always independently hire Anchor Bay (or, more precisely, Anchor Bay's authoring house, unless Anchor Bay authors their own discs in-house and nobody told me) to author their discs, but it's not like Manga's involvement in the GitS: SAC release and Anchor Bay being a sister company under a common parent means that it would be easy to do as a matter of course.

Hayate Kurogane

11-16-2004, 02:01 PM

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jrs47 said:
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Sakura Shinguji said:
Considering that Ascent has been fucking up Bandai DVDs since s-CRY-ed volume 4 almost a year ago (still no resolution), I would hope that Bandai is investigating some different and more competent authoring houses. At this point, I believe Ascent is the only authoring house they use, so I'm sure such a switch would be difficult.

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Stratos 4 is authored by SpeeDVD.

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And thank God for that. I've been doing a bad job of keeping up with it due to lack of funds and lukewarm interest (Studio Fantasia shows only seem to go so far in my book, although I never find them to be bad), so that one just slipped my mind.

slerch666

11-16-2004, 02:03 PM

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Sakura Shinguji said:
And thank God for that. I've been doing a bad job of keeping up with it due to lack of funds and lukewarm interest (Studio Fantasia shows only seem to go so far in my book, although I never find them to be bad), so that one just slipped my mind.

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It had Kakazu Yumi doing a voice, so I had to pick it up.

Shale

11-16-2004, 03:55 PM

Wow, I'm glad I don't have a DTS receiver. Much less headache with this show.

Second, how do you get your flagship series, and only your flagship series, so consistently wrong? I could understand if Bandai's authoring sucked consistently, but it's just Ghost in the Shell. Why turn off QC on the freakin' special editions of the series everybody's going to want?

Hayate Kurogane

11-16-2004, 04:00 PM

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Shale said:
I could understand if Bandai's authoring sucked consistently, but it's just Ghost in the Shell.

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*cries*

Sometimes it does seem like slerch, dunno, and I are the only ones who had problems with s-CRY-ed volume 4 and .hack//LotT. /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

christianlf

11-16-2004, 04:40 PM

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Sakura Shinguji said:
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Shale said:
I could understand if Bandai's authoring sucked consistently, but it's just Ghost in the Shell.

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*cries*

Sometimes it does seem like slerch, dunno, and I are the only ones who had problems with s-CRY-ed volume 4 and .hack//LotT. /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

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Those discs had problems, but they were player specific problems, no?

These are universal problems, ones that should have never ever made it through whatever checks they have set up. Not that I'd defend the issues with those discs, as I know Bandai's been made aware about them many times over, but they're different animals.

Hayate Kurogane

11-16-2004, 05:00 PM

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ChristianLF said:
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Sakura Shinguji said:
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Shale said:
I could understand if Bandai's authoring sucked consistently, but it's just Ghost in the Shell.

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*cries*

Sometimes it does seem like slerch, dunno, and I are the only ones who had problems with s-CRY-ed volume 4 and .hack//LotT. /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

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Those discs had problems, but they were player specific problems, no?

These are universal problems, ones that should have never ever made it through whatever checks they have set up. Not that I'd defend the issues with those discs, as I know Bandai's been made aware about them many times over, but they're different animals.

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I was speaking more to the fact that the trend of bad authoring of Bandai discs by Ascent isn't new, irrespective of how many people might or might not be affected. I do understand your point, though. Although, if the DTS issues with GitS: SAC are attributable solely to Ascent, then it can be thought of as just ramping up the level of unprofessionalism and poor quality. And they're even kind enough, this time around, to affect an English audio track, just to cover all their bases.

dunno001

11-16-2004, 06:26 PM

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Sakura Shinguji said:
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Shale said:
I could understand if Bandai's authoring sucked consistently, but it's just Ghost in the Shell.

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*cries*

Sometimes it does seem like slerch, dunno, and I are the only ones who had problems with s-CRY-ed volume 4 and .hack//LotT. /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

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I seem to think so also at times. Fortunately, this complete incompetence isn't affecting me, since I already swore off all new Bandai series until I get my LotT replacement. Current boxes are on hold, and I DEFINITELY won't get this series given all the problems it's having...

Panon

11-16-2004, 07:14 PM

Wow, this is disgraceful. Three broken releases in a row is inexcusable.

And since I preordered it and it's on my way to me, I now have three disks (plus an OST) that Bandai will refuse to replace for me since I'm not in the US.

Just outstanding.

slerch666

11-16-2004, 07:47 PM

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Sakura Shinguji said:
*cries*

Sometimes it does seem like slerch, dunno, and I are the only ones who had problems with s-CRY-ed volume 4 and .hack//LotT. /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

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Or, we are the only ones not willing to drop it. Bandai seems to have dropped the issue, especially in light of the SAC problems (no, they don't have problems with their sacks). I'm hoping once they stop fucking up SAC they'll return to S-Cry-Ed and ALL of .hack//lott. Stupid incompetent bastards.

exile

11-17-2004, 02:31 AM

sorry to be super offtopic, but what is wrong with scyred 4? I could be a loser but I searched in the glitch section with no luck.

And to be ontopic again...............um... when I get SAC 3 in a few days I will confirm whether mine sucks or not too I guess. /images/graemlins/happy.gif Thanks.

cpharlock

11-17-2004, 04:10 AM

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I'm hoping once they stop fucking up SAC they'll return to S-Cry-Ed and ALL of .hack//lott. Stupid incompetent bastards.

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Is this the same person who was defending ADV and attacking ADV complainers? /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Well, I don't care about S-Cry-Ed and .hack because it's NOT A BIG DEAL FOR ME cause they all play fine on my player.

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slerch666

11-17-2004, 05:54 AM

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Is this the same person who was defending ADV and attacking ADV complainers? /images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Well, I don't care about S-Cry-Ed and .hack because it's NOT A BIG DEAL FOR ME cause they all play fine on my player.

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I think it's funny you took my post that way. With that particular issue, the first person who complained was angry 'cause the person who started it had made his anger known... a lot... previously in other areas of the forum. I'll have to say that reaction pissed me off because just because studio reps visit the forums, doesn't mean they read every thread in every forum. Where it was posted this time around was the right place for it to be seen by the reps and there was no reason to attack the original poster.

I was only trying to calm people down from their ADV hate enough to see that they aren't THAT bad. ADV is far from my favorite company, and I have made ADV complaints before. They are far from perfect.

I was also trying to point out the obvious, where people were saying ADV needs to make it known why the did what they did, but in reality they don't have to make ANYTHING, other than release dates, known.

I personally wish ADV had done right on that release, but they didn't. My point was that the disc works and the fixed the 'more evil' of the 2 problems. Missing subs isn't really a show stopper, not being able to get a disc to play at all is. The dialog that is missing is also of little consequence, but annoying that it's not there this time and was there before.

As far as S-Cry-Ed working for you, it works for me as well in my other player. That doesn't make it right. And with the S-Cry-Ed and .hack problems, it's been proven it's not isolated like Bandai would have liked us to believe. There were a ton of affected model players from all manufacturers.

I am glad it works for you though, as it really is an annoying as hell problem.

slerch666

11-17-2004, 05:56 AM

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sorry to be super offtopic, but what is wrong with scyred 4? I could be a loser but I searched in the glitch section with no luck.

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You put the disc in. It starts to play. It goes through the typical Bandai pre-menu stuff. It goes to load the menu and STOPs the player. Hit play, same thing. Press 'Menu' while the front loaded Bandai stuff is playing and the player STOPs. The only way to get it to play the show is to skip to the proper chapter and let it run. If you hit menu during playback... it STOPs.

Every .hack//lott disc has the same problem.

Skywise

11-17-2004, 06:16 AM

Before getting riled up like everyone else seemed to be doing right now, can you please explain more what exactly is wrong with it? Is it possible for you (or anyone else for that matter) to post a clip of the audio?

Nylock

11-17-2004, 10:25 AM

oh, for fuck's sake this is just unbelievable. /images/graemlins/anger100.gif And mine has already shipped.
What is wrong with Bandai? Do they no longer know how to release anime DVDs properly? No matter where the actual cause of these problems is, at the end of the day Bandai is responsible for the product being released with their name on it. Don't they practice quality control/quality assurance? I hope the losses they must be making on replacements will convince them to get it right in the first place.

I'm wondering if I should bother keeping my Zeta Gundam pre-order. I just don't trust them any longer.

Hayate Kurogane

11-17-2004, 01:45 PM

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exile said:
sorry to be super offtopic, but what is wrong with scyred 4? I could be a loser but I searched in the glitch section with no luck.

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You put the disc in. It starts to play. It goes through the typical Bandai pre-menu stuff. It goes to load the menu and STOPs the player. Hit play, same thing. Press 'Menu' while the front loaded Bandai stuff is playing and the player STOPs. The only way to get it to play the show is to skip to the proper chapter and let it run. If you hit menu during playback... it STOPs.

Every .hack//lott disc has the same problem.

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Although it should be noted that these problems were player-specific. Some people got it to work. Other people, trying on a disturbingly wide range of player types, did not. If you own s-CRY-ed volume 4 and have noticed no problems, then you've been lucky.

exile

11-17-2004, 05:42 PM

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slerch666 said:
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exile said:
sorry to be super offtopic, but what is wrong with scyred 4? I could be a loser but I searched in the glitch section with no luck.

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You put the disc in. It starts to play. It goes through the typical Bandai pre-menu stuff. It goes to load the menu and STOPs the player. Hit play, same thing. Press 'Menu' while the front loaded Bandai stuff is playing and the player STOPs. The only way to get it to play the show is to skip to the proper chapter and let it run. If you hit menu during playback... it STOPs.

Every .hack//lott disc has the same problem.

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Although it should be noted that these problems were player-specific. Some people got it to work. Other people, trying on a disturbingly wide range of player types, did not. If you own s-CRY-ed volume 4 and have noticed no problems, then you've been lucky.

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Thanks for the info guys. To be honest I have owned it for a long time but haven't gotten to watching yet, I'll have to check it out. That doesn't seem like a very cool feature and if a handful of players do it it is something that should have been straightened out.

Thanks again.

Damo

11-19-2004, 06:40 AM

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I honestly don't see why they can't get Anchor Bay to do all the authoring for this title, I've never ever had a badly authored Anchor Bay disc, and at least they know what the hell they are doing.

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Anchor bay have nothing to do with manga they are entirely different companies apart from the fact they are owned by the same parant company. I also didn't even thing manga had anything to do with the authoring of the r1 release of SAC that's bandai's job, manga are authoring the UK release (which has it's own entirly different set of faults).

Plus going of bandai's current piss-poor track record, .hack//LotT and scryed and and this, why would it all of a sudden be mangas fault that bandai can't seem to make a error free disc. The blame more than likely does lie with bandai - or there authoring contractor somewhere along the lines.

Makes me very worried for the upcoming scrapped princess release, they should stop trying to broker deals for LE items and concentrait on the actual discs' quality.

Trey-Trey

11-19-2004, 10:32 AM

Yep... Mine did the same thing yesterday when I played it. Even if you don't listen to the English track it's still kind of crappy and I feel like sending it back just to make them take their lumps and send me a new one. Besides Even though I'm not checking out the English track for this one, I'll still try to get a fixed copy in case a friend wants to borrow it and watches it in English.

josephowens

11-19-2004, 02:45 PM

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Nylock said:
oh, for fuck's sake this is just unbelievable. /images/graemlins/anger100.gif And mine has already shipped.
What is wrong with Bandai? Do they no longer know how to release anime DVDs properly? No matter where the actual cause of these problems is, at the end of the day Bandai is responsible for the product being released with their name on it. Don't they practice quality control/quality assurance? I hope the losses they must be making on replacements will convince them to get it right in the first place.

I'm wondering if I should bother keeping my Zeta Gundam pre-order. I just don't trust them any longer.

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Lets stop for minute and remember that Bandai isn't the one Distributor the title, Manga Entertainment is. Now lets see a show of hands of people that own Manga DVDs and don't have somekind of problem with one of them. As for Bandai DVDs, I haven't had one problem with their disk since they became their own Distributor, and I have a lot of Bandai dvds.

cpharlock

11-19-2004, 03:14 PM

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As for Bandai DVDs, I haven't had one problem with their disk since they became their own Distributor, and I have a lot of Bandai dvds.

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Same here.
Not to mention, I own every single Bandai DVD that has been released this year.

I am pretty sure these problems with GIS:SAC releases have something to do with Mangle.

slerch666

11-19-2004, 03:45 PM

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Same here.
Not to mention, I own every single Bandai DVD that has been released this year.

I am pretty sure these problems with GIS:SAC releases have something to do with Mangle.

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All Manga does is distribute, supposedly. Bandai deals with all the content and creation. This clearly falls on Bandai's shoulders, as much as I'd love to blame Manga for it. I can remember when it was announced Bandai was teaming with Manga on this one. The forums EXPLODED with anger and hate and Jerry Chu came in and said, for the record, that Bandai was handling everything other than distribution, which calmed the storm. I don't think it's possible for Manga, who are supposedly only distributing the titles, to screw the DTS tracks up or the labelling.

I have been known to be wrong before.

I believe I've purchased 90% of Bandai's releases this year (I'm not rebuying collections of things I already bought). S-Cry-Ed 4 and .hack//lott (entire series) are the only discs with problems... that are Bandai only branded. These issues are also player related, though it happens on a lot of players.

demonanya

11-19-2004, 04:11 PM

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Nylock said:
oh, for fuck's sake this is just unbelievable. /images/graemlins/anger100.gif And mine has already shipped.
What is wrong with Bandai? Do they no longer know how to release anime DVDs properly? No matter where the actual cause of these problems is, at the end of the day Bandai is responsible for the product being released with their name on it. Don't they practice quality control/quality assurance? I hope the losses they must be making on replacements will convince them to get it right in the first place.

I'm wondering if I should bother keeping my Zeta Gundam pre-order. I just don't trust them any longer.

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Lets stop for minute and remember that Bandai isn't the one Distributor the title, Manga Entertainment is. Now lets see a show of hands of people that own Manga DVDs and don't have somekind of problem with one of them. As for Bandai DVDs, I haven't had one problem with their disk since they became their own Distributor, and I have a lot of Bandai dvds.

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Last time I checked Distribution had nothing to do with Production, Bandai is producing the Region 1 version of GITS SAC, therfore Bandai is completely at fault for the state of the Region 1 versions of GITS SAC. The only production that Manga is looking after is the R2 UK version, and that has it's own set of problems which can be blamed on Manga.

josephowens

11-19-2004, 04:43 PM

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Demonanya said:
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The Gundam Owens said:
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Nylock said:
oh, for fuck's sake this is just unbelievable. /images/graemlins/anger100.gif And mine has already shipped.
What is wrong with Bandai? Do they no longer know how to release anime DVDs properly? No matter where the actual cause of these problems is, at the end of the day Bandai is responsible for the product being released with their name on it. Don't they practice quality control/quality assurance? I hope the losses they must be making on replacements will convince them to get it right in the first place.

I'm wondering if I should bother keeping my Zeta Gundam pre-order. I just don't trust them any longer.

[/ QUOTE ]

Lets stop for minute and remember that Bandai isn't the one Distributor the title, Manga Entertainment is. Now lets see a show of hands of people that own Manga DVDs and don't have somekind of problem with one of them. As for Bandai DVDs, I haven't had one problem with their disk since they became their own Distributor, and I have a lot of Bandai dvds.

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Last time I checked Distribution had nothing to do with Production, Bandai is producing the Region 1 version of GITS SAC, therfore Bandai is completely at fault for the state of the Region 1 versions of GITS SAC. The only production that Manga is looking after is the R2 UK version, and that has it's own set of problems which can be blamed on Manga.

[/ QUOTE ]

Well the real problem is who is responsible for the quality control on this title. They are apparently not doing their job and that is where the real problem needs to be fixed.

DeadlyMessiah

11-19-2004, 07:35 PM

I just read on the main page that the DTS issue is only during the opening song, is that true? If so, I can live with that if I end up with one of the glitch copies.

demonanya

11-19-2004, 08:46 PM

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The Gundam Owens said:
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Demonanya said:
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The Gundam Owens said:
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Nylock said:
oh, for fuck's sake this is just unbelievable. /images/graemlins/anger100.gif And mine has already shipped.
What is wrong with Bandai? Do they no longer know how to release anime DVDs properly? No matter where the actual cause of these problems is, at the end of the day Bandai is responsible for the product being released with their name on it. Don't they practice quality control/quality assurance? I hope the losses they must be making on replacements will convince them to get it right in the first place.

I'm wondering if I should bother keeping my Zeta Gundam pre-order. I just don't trust them any longer.

[/ QUOTE ]

Lets stop for minute and remember that Bandai isn't the one Distributor the title, Manga Entertainment is. Now lets see a show of hands of people that own Manga DVDs and don't have somekind of problem with one of them. As for Bandai DVDs, I haven't had one problem with their disk since they became their own Distributor, and I have a lot of Bandai dvds.

[/ QUOTE ]

Last time I checked Distribution had nothing to do with Production, Bandai is producing the Region 1 version of GITS SAC, therfore Bandai is completely at fault for the state of the Region 1 versions of GITS SAC. The only production that Manga is looking after is the R2 UK version, and that has it's own set of problems which can be blamed on Manga.

[/ QUOTE ]

Well the real problem is who is responsible for the quality control on this title. They are apparently not doing their job and that is where the real problem needs to be fixed.

[/ QUOTE ]

Again it should be Bandai who should be doing some QC on the title to make sure it's fine before they pass it onto their distributor. Manga are obviously not doing any QC checks when they receive it as they probably thought Bandai were capable of doing that themselves, but after this volume maybe they should start investigating the work that Bandai passes to them as it's making them look bad, and they don't even produce it.

Also, I think an apology from the Bandai rep who posts on here would be very appropriate given that for the 3rd time Bandai has released a shoddy GITS SAC release.

slerch666

11-19-2004, 08:57 PM

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Demonanya said:
Again it should be Bandai who should be doing some QC on the title to make sure it's fine before they pass it onto their distributor. Manga are obviously not doing any QC checks when they receive it as they probably thought Bandai were capable of doing that themselves, but after this volume maybe they should start investigating the work that Bandai passes to them as it's making them look bad, and they don't even produce it.

Also, I think an apology from the Bandai rep who posts on here would be very appropriate given that for the 3rd time Bandai has released a shoddy GITS SAC release.

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An apology? /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif That will NEVER happen. And just because Jerry would apologize here, what about all the people who buy the discs and then get screwed over that don't visit here? They should issue an official company apology via a press release. Though of course, we all know that won't happen. Never admit your mistakes and all that.

And Manga doesn't need Bandai's assistance to look bad, they do that well enough on their own. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Iridium

11-19-2004, 09:04 PM

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Demonanya said:
Last time I checked Distribution had nothing to do with Production, Bandai is producing the Region 1 version of GITS SAC, therfore Bandai is completely at fault for the state of the Region 1 versions of GITS SAC. The only production that Manga is looking after is the R2 UK version, and that has it's own set of problems which can be blamed on Manga.

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The Sony release had no problems with reversed labels on Vol. 2.

The Sony release has had consistent keepcase colours.

Chacranajxy

11-19-2004, 11:47 PM

Sigh... so just wondering, has anyone gotten back their DTS disc 1 and their Vol. 2 replacements? I sent those in like 3 weeks ago and I still don't have the replacements... which kinda bugs me.

Soulblazer

11-20-2004, 12:38 AM

They are hurting themselves more than anyone else. A good chunk of the profits has been wasted because now they have to spend money on replacements...

Iridium

11-20-2004, 12:54 AM

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Chacranajxy said:
Sigh... so just wondering, has anyone gotten back their DTS disc 1 and their Vol. 2 replacements? I sent those in like 3 weeks ago and I still don't have the replacements... which kinda bugs me.

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LOL, I still haven't gotten my OST after sending it off in the first week of October. /images/graemlins/relief1.gif

Damo

11-20-2004, 06:12 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Demonanya said:
[ QUOTE ]
The Gundam Owens said:
[ QUOTE ]
Nylock said:
oh, for fuck's sake this is just unbelievable. /images/graemlins/anger100.gif And mine has already shipped.
What is wrong with Bandai? Do they no longer know how to release anime DVDs properly? No matter where the actual cause of these problems is, at the end of the day Bandai is responsible for the product being released with their name on it. Don't they practice quality control/quality assurance? I hope the losses they must be making on replacements will convince them to get it right in the first place.

I'm wondering if I should bother keeping my Zeta Gundam pre-order. I just don't trust them any longer.

[/ QUOTE ]

Lets stop for minute and remember that Bandai isn't the one Distributor the title, Manga Entertainment is. Now lets see a show of hands of people that own Manga DVDs and don't have somekind of problem with one of them. As for Bandai DVDs, I haven't had one problem with their disk since they became their own Distributor, and I have a lot of Bandai dvds.

[/ QUOTE ]

Last time I checked Distribution had nothing to do with Production, Bandai is producing the Region 1 version of GITS SAC, therfore Bandai is completely at fault for the state of the Region 1 versions of GITS SAC. The only production that Manga is looking after is the R2 UK version, and that has it's own set of problems which can be blamed on Manga.

[/ QUOTE ]
Yes, Backing up that a little, in a conversation I had with a UK manga rep I raised concerns about the r1 faults being ported over to the UK release asnd was assured that the UK disc which was being authered by manga would not have the faults of the r1 release as the authoring for that was done by bandai.

But regardless of who is to blame whoever it is needs to start doing a far better job or be replaced by someone who can.

demonanya

11-20-2004, 07:00 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Damo said:
[ QUOTE ]
Demonanya said:
[ QUOTE ]
The Gundam Owens said:
[ QUOTE ]
Nylock said:
oh, for fuck's sake this is just unbelievable. /images/graemlins/anger100.gif And mine has already shipped.
What is wrong with Bandai? Do they no longer know how to release anime DVDs properly? No matter where the actual cause of these problems is, at the end of the day Bandai is responsible for the product being released with their name on it. Don't they practice quality control/quality assurance? I hope the losses they must be making on replacements will convince them to get it right in the first place.

I'm wondering if I should bother keeping my Zeta Gundam pre-order. I just don't trust them any longer.

[/ QUOTE ]

Lets stop for minute and remember that Bandai isn't the one Distributor the title, Manga Entertainment is. Now lets see a show of hands of people that own Manga DVDs and don't have somekind of problem with one of them. As for Bandai DVDs, I haven't had one problem with their disk since they became their own Distributor, and I have a lot of Bandai dvds.

[/ QUOTE ]

Last time I checked Distribution had nothing to do with Production, Bandai is producing the Region 1 version of GITS SAC, therfore Bandai is completely at fault for the state of the Region 1 versions of GITS SAC. The only production that Manga is looking after is the R2 UK version, and that has it's own set of problems which can be blamed on Manga.

[/ QUOTE ]
Yes, Backing up that a little, in a conversation I had with a UK manga rep I raised concerns about the r1 faults being ported over to the UK release asnd was assured that the UK disc which was being authered by manga would not have the faults of the r1 release as the authoring for that was done by bandai.

[/ QUOTE ]

Just to follow that on Damo, have you been able to find out what is happening with the botched UK Volume 1, have Manga said anything about doing a replacement programme?

slerch666

11-20-2004, 07:33 AM

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Chacranajxy said:
Sigh... so just wondering, has anyone gotten back their DTS disc 1 and their Vol. 2 replacements? I sent those in like 3 weeks ago and I still don't have the replacements... which kinda bugs me.

[/ QUOTE ]
I was helping out some less fortunate out of US'ers on this one.. and I haven't gotten mine back yet either. I sent them on October 28. I'm just glad none of the people who wanted non-US returns have gotten pissed at me yet.

Damo

11-20-2004, 09:12 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Demonanya said:
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Damo said:
[ QUOTE ]
Demonanya said:
[ QUOTE ]
The Gundam Owens said:
[ QUOTE ]
Nylock said:
oh, for fuck's sake this is just unbelievable. /images/graemlins/anger100.gif And mine has already shipped.
What is wrong with Bandai? Do they no longer know how to release anime DVDs properly? No matter where the actual cause of these problems is, at the end of the day Bandai is responsible for the product being released with their name on it. Don't they practice quality control/quality assurance? I hope the losses they must be making on replacements will convince them to get it right in the first place.

I'm wondering if I should bother keeping my Zeta Gundam pre-order. I just don't trust them any longer.

[/ QUOTE ]

Lets stop for minute and remember that Bandai isn't the one Distributor the title, Manga Entertainment is. Now lets see a show of hands of people that own Manga DVDs and don't have somekind of problem with one of them. As for Bandai DVDs, I haven't had one problem with their disk since they became their own Distributor, and I have a lot of Bandai dvds.

[/ QUOTE ]

Last time I checked Distribution had nothing to do with Production, Bandai is producing the Region 1 version of GITS SAC, therfore Bandai is completely at fault for the state of the Region 1 versions of GITS SAC. The only production that Manga is looking after is the R2 UK version, and that has it's own set of problems which can be blamed on Manga.

[/ QUOTE ]
Yes, Backing up that a little, in a conversation I had with a UK manga rep I raised concerns about the r1 faults being ported over to the UK release asnd was assured that the UK disc which was being authered by manga would not have the faults of the r1 release as the authoring for that was done by bandai.

[/ QUOTE ]

Just to follow that on Damo, have you been able to find out what is happening with the botched UK Volume 1, have Manga said anything about doing a replacement programme?

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Nope /images/graemlins/depresse.gif and to be honest i would be surprised if they did, I mentioned getting a fixed version of volume 1 released seen as there is a long break before the second UK volume comes out but they never said anything back so it's really doubtful.

ScottBernard

11-20-2004, 11:08 AM

I'm at a loss. I want to hear this series on a decent English DTS track. The first two defective volumes didn't hurt me as much, although their defective condition hurt whatever future resale value the discs had. And I also wanted the soundtracks. Worse, I live outside the U.S.

Bandai, it's no longer a question of my disapproval for what's happened to this release.

It's come to a point that I feel helpless. It's a sad day for THIS anime fan.

demonanya

11-20-2004, 12:52 PM

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Damo said:
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Demonanya said:
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Damo said:
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Demonanya said:
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The Gundam Owens said:
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Nylock said:
oh, for fuck's sake this is just unbelievable. /images/graemlins/anger100.gif And mine has already shipped.
What is wrong with Bandai? Do they no longer know how to release anime DVDs properly? No matter where the actual cause of these problems is, at the end of the day Bandai is responsible for the product being released with their name on it. Don't they practice quality control/quality assurance? I hope the losses they must be making on replacements will convince them to get it right in the first place.

I'm wondering if I should bother keeping my Zeta Gundam pre-order. I just don't trust them any longer.

[/ QUOTE ]

Lets stop for minute and remember that Bandai isn't the one Distributor the title, Manga Entertainment is. Now lets see a show of hands of people that own Manga DVDs and don't have somekind of problem with one of them. As for Bandai DVDs, I haven't had one problem with their disk since they became their own Distributor, and I have a lot of Bandai dvds.

[/ QUOTE ]

Last time I checked Distribution had nothing to do with Production, Bandai is producing the Region 1 version of GITS SAC, therfore Bandai is completely at fault for the state of the Region 1 versions of GITS SAC. The only production that Manga is looking after is the R2 UK version, and that has it's own set of problems which can be blamed on Manga.

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Yes, Backing up that a little, in a conversation I had with a UK manga rep I raised concerns about the r1 faults being ported over to the UK release asnd was assured that the UK disc which was being authered by manga would not have the faults of the r1 release as the authoring for that was done by bandai.

[/ QUOTE ]

Just to follow that on Damo, have you been able to find out what is happening with the botched UK Volume 1, have Manga said anything about doing a replacement programme?

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Nope /images/graemlins/depresse.gif and to be honest i would be surprised if they did, I mentioned getting a fixed version of volume 1 released seen as there is a long break before the second UK volume comes out but they never said anything back so it's really doubtful.

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Thanks for the update, I'll let my friend know as that's who I gave my UK Volume 1 disc to.

ulkesh

11-20-2004, 03:10 PM

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Not necessarily true; my vol 1 is a clear double sided amaray, where vol 2 is black and has a hinge and I get the Sony release.

Bonex

11-20-2004, 03:29 PM

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slerch666 said:
I was helping out some less fortunate out of US'ers on this one.. and I haven't gotten mine back yet either. I sent them on October 28. I'm just glad none of the people who wanted non-US returns have gotten pissed at me yet.

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/images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif
I'm a patient guy

BTW, any news about the other 2 discs?

slerch666

11-20-2004, 05:21 PM

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Bonex said:
/images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif
I'm a patient guy

BTW, any news about the other 2 discs?

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I was authorized by Bandai to send in all of the discs I had collected at once, so they received 2 copies of Arjuna 1, 6 copies of SAC 1, 2 (or was it 3) copies of SAC 2, and 3-4 OSTs. I had already done one run of OSTs, which is why the OST vs DVD rate is a little different.

I'm sure Bandai will just send them all back at once, and at which point I'm going to have a fun time filtering out what goes to who and who has paid for shipping already and who hasn't. Luckuly I made up a sheet to keep track of it, so I should be golden... whenever Bandai sends them back, that is.

And thanks all for being patient. They've definitely received them, I'm just not sure what's going on with the return.

Venares

11-20-2004, 08:35 PM

hehe, keeping you busy then eh slerch666 /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

slerch666

11-20-2004, 09:26 PM

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Venares said:
hehe, keeping you busy then eh slerch666 /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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LOL

Yeah, I guess Bandai hates me personally. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

I just hope they get them returned to me before the holiday shipping season REALLY ramps up, so I can get them out and feel a little better about them getting to where they should be going...

Hayate Kurogane

11-20-2004, 10:44 PM

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Venares said:
hehe, keeping you busy then eh slerch666 /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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LOL

Yeah, I guess Bandai hates me personally. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

I just hope they get them returned to me before the holiday shipping season REALLY ramps up, so I can get them out and feel a little better about them getting to where they should be going...

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You kidding? I think the odds are better that everyone goes on holiday, and we won't get replacements until the new year has been rung in.

slerch666

11-21-2004, 07:37 AM

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Sakura Shinguji said:
You kidding? I think the odds are better that everyone goes on holiday, and we won't get replacements until the new year has been rung in.

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Nice!

Yeah, I'd say you are probably right. Maybe I'll just label all the returns as late X-Mas presents. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Trey-Trey

11-21-2004, 12:39 PM

There's something else that's slightly irritating along with the farked up DVD's and the mismatched cases. Now maybe it's just my copy but the DTS disc doesn't seem to have the whole label on there. It's more like a donut. I took a look at Vol. 1 & 2 DTS along with the DD discs and the label goes all the way to the inner edge of the DVD. On the DTS Vol. 3 disc it only goes to the clear part of the disc and ends up chopping off some of the picture. Hope this makes sense.

All this whoopin' & hollerin' about who's fault it really is beyond me at this point. It's just REALLY bad business to have a screwed up 1st release, and then not pull a sample of the 2nd release from the final production line to check it, only to find out later THAT one was messed up as well. AND THEN... not doing the same thing by pulling a final production sample of the Vol. 3 release before it went out to the public. WAUGH!

Fool me once shame on you... fool me twice shame on me. I guess then if you fooled me 3 times then I was really asking for it. BLEECH!

slerch666

11-21-2004, 12:54 PM

My DTS disc on vol 3 has the same 'donut'. My guess is that it was an oversight. I'm not THAT bothered by it. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Trey-Trey

11-21-2004, 04:00 PM

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slerch666 said:
My DTS disc on vol 3 has the same 'donut'. My guess is that it was an oversight. I'm not THAT bothered by it. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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This was icing on the cake for OCD bastards such as myself. I did kinda suck that the "ring" was so big that it cut off half of her body. Ah well... I'm just looking for something to add to my bitterness. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

slerch666

11-21-2004, 04:27 PM

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Trey_in_Atlanta said:
This was icing on the cake for OCD bastards such as myself. I did kinda suck that the "ring" was so big that it cut off half of her body. Ah well... I'm just looking for something to add to my bitterness. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Well, the full pic IS on the DVD cover... technically speaking...

Trey-Trey

11-21-2004, 05:21 PM

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slerch666 said:
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Trey_in_Atlanta said:
This was icing on the cake for OCD bastards such as myself. I did kinda suck that the "ring" was so big that it cut off half of her body. Ah well... I'm just looking for something to add to my bitterness. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Well, the full pic IS on the DVD cover... technically speaking...

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Yah, you're right. *sigh* I'm one of those weirdos who likes everything "just so" and finds the DVD with the properly aligned and centered spine graphics. Good Lord you should see me trying to pick out the "Vol. 1 + box" releases.

I NEED HELP!!!! /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

new1

11-22-2004, 07:25 PM

So how bad is the problem? Guess will know tomorrow or the next couple of days as people get them right? /images/graemlins/depresse.gif

Kuroi Kenshin

11-22-2004, 08:11 PM

I just listened to the English DTS for episode 10 once again, and here is what I noticed the second time around:

The focus of the audio in the intro comes from the center and left rear channel.

Cyberbrain communication is always heard through the center and left rear channel.

Tachikoma dialog is through the center and left rear.

The background sound FX, and i'll give you an example: <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>the scene where Ishikawa comes intro the control room and alerts Aramaki and Motoko of the CIA setting them up as automatic sliding door opens and closes</span>, is heard from the center and left rear.

The background music, mainly percussion, symphonic synthesizer and bass, is heard through the center and left rear, drowning out the surround sound.

So pretty much, any type of sound manipulation, or percussion that is designated to the center channel, is also coming out of the left rear.

Welp, hope I helped.

Skywise

11-22-2004, 08:47 PM

Background music is usually designed to come out the rears, not the center. The center on the other hand is mainly for dialogue. Sounds like the rear left and the center got mixed together, and then duplicated in both channels. If you listen to the right rear you should hear the same bgmusic as you have in the left one, but of course without any voices.

danhawk

11-23-2004, 11:56 AM

i hope to god the zeta gundam box set has no problems. bad enough every .hack legend of twighlight was screwed alon with a few volumes of scryed. bandai needs to get there act toghter asap and they need to fix the twilgight and sycred dvds to.

DeadlyMessiah

11-23-2004, 06:11 PM

I said this in the other topic, and I'll post it again:

I just watched the DTS disc, and I must say, the glitch is so stupid.

The opening song has audio coming out of the center speaker, and the left rear speaker. Yes, the opening song. ONLY THE OPENING SONG! That is nothing worth complaining about as you could just hit the audio button to change it to the Jp track and play the opening, or just skip it altogether and watching one of the other ep's openings. It isn't like you can't live without having the same opening when you have 11 perfect ones.

Hayate Kurogane

11-23-2004, 06:24 PM

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DeadlyMessiah said:
I said this in the other topic, and I'll post it again:

I just watched the DTS disc, and I must say, the glitch is so stupid.

The opening song has audio coming out of the center speaker, and the left rear speaker. Yes, the opening song. ONLY THE OPENING SONG! That is nothing worth complaining about as you could just hit the audio button to change it to the Jp track and play the opening, or just skip it altogether and watching one of the other ep's openings. It isn't like you can't live without having the same opening when you have 11 perfect ones.

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Don't double-post. That's bad.

In response to your statement, I'll agree that the glitch is dumb, but I think so because there's no reason for such a simple glitch to even exist in the first place, which is why we're so upset. Also, there's the fact that the glitch is part of a growing list of other glitches, which makes a trend, and a negative one at that.

Kuroi Kenshin

11-23-2004, 11:02 PM

[ QUOTE ]
DeadlyMessiah said:
I said this in the other topic, and I'll post it again:

I just watched the DTS disc, and I must say, the glitch is so stupid.

The opening song has audio coming out of the center speaker, and the left rear speaker. Yes, the opening song. ONLY THE OPENING SONG! That is nothing worth complaining about as you could just hit the audio button to change it to the Jp track and play the opening, or just skip it altogether and watching one of the other ep's openings. It isn't like you can't live without having the same opening when you have 11 perfect ones.

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If you read my last post in this thread, you'll see that the glitch isnt just in intro of the show since there's spots during the episode where you'll notice it with the left rear channel.

DeadlyMessiah

11-24-2004, 06:41 AM

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Onious said:
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DeadlyMessiah said:
I said this in the other topic, and I'll post it again:

I just watched the DTS disc, and I must say, the glitch is so stupid.

The opening song has audio coming out of the center speaker, and the left rear speaker. Yes, the opening song. ONLY THE OPENING SONG! That is nothing worth complaining about as you could just hit the audio button to change it to the Jp track and play the opening, or just skip it altogether and watching one of the other ep's openings. It isn't like you can't live without having the same opening when you have 11 perfect ones.

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If you read my last post in this thread, you'll see that the glitch isnt just in intro of the show since there's spots during the episode where you'll notice it with the left rear channel.

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I didn't hear anything like that, and I kept listening to the left rear.

Oh well, I am perfectly satisfied. Maybe I'll listen again next time I rewatch it.

11-24-2004, 10:46 AM

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If you read my last post in this thread, you'll see that the glitch isnt just in intro of the show since there's spots during the episode where you'll notice it with the left rear channel.

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Onious is correct. The problem lasts the duration of the entire episode. It stands out in more scenes than others, but it's definitely there throughout. Just switch back and forth between the Japanese and English tracks for proof.

11-25-2004, 07:27 AM

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Horatio Hellpop said:
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Onious said:
If you read my last post in this thread, you'll see that the glitch isnt just in intro of the show since there's spots during the episode where you'll notice it with the left rear channel.

[/ QUOTE ]

Onious is correct. The problem lasts the duration of the entire episode. It stands out in more scenes than others, but it's definitely there throughout. Just switch back and forth between the Japanese and English tracks for proof.

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*whew* I thought I was starting to think I was the only one who noticed it throughout the episode. Thought my ears were playing tricks on me. And I agree, it is more prevalent in certain scenes. /images/graemlins/anger200.gif

DeadlyMessiah

11-25-2004, 05:21 PM

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nekonene said:
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Horatio Hellpop said:
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Onious said:
If you read my last post in this thread, you'll see that the glitch isnt just in intro of the show since there's spots during the episode where you'll notice it with the left rear channel.

[/ QUOTE ]

Onious is correct. The problem lasts the duration of the entire episode. It stands out in more scenes than others, but it's definitely there throughout. Just switch back and forth between the Japanese and English tracks for proof.

[/ QUOTE ]

*whew* I thought I was starting to think I was the only one who noticed it throughout the episode. Thought my ears were playing tricks on me. And I agree, it is more prevalent in certain scenes. /images/graemlins/anger200.gif

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And this is the episode with the skin dude? If so, then maybe you guys were paying attention to it more than I was. Everything I heard sounded perfectly fine and didn't bother me at all. It all sounded cool to me.

Kuroi Kenshin

11-25-2004, 06:29 PM

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Onious said:
If you read my last post in this thread, you'll see that the glitch isnt just in intro of the show since there's spots during the episode where you'll notice it with the left rear channel.

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Onious is correct. The problem lasts the duration of the entire episode. It stands out in more scenes than others, but it's definitely there throughout. Just switch back and forth between the Japanese and English tracks for proof.

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*whew* I thought I was starting to think I was the only one who noticed it throughout the episode. Thought my ears were playing tricks on me. And I agree, it is more prevalent in certain scenes. /images/graemlins/anger200.gif

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And this is the episode with the skin dude? If so, then maybe you guys were paying attention to it more than I was. Everything I heard sounded perfectly fine and didn't bother me at all. It all sounded cool to me.

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You can back to it if you want and listen to the parts that I mentioned where you would notice it. It'd be funny if you got a copy with just the intro screwed up... wait, no, no it wouldnt be funny. /images/graemlins/anger100.gif

powersurge

12-02-2004, 06:48 AM

I could care less about the english track but does anyone notice the voices are at a much lower volume level than the rest of the audio on the japanese DTS track?

Kuroi Kenshin

12-02-2004, 08:16 AM

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powersurge said:
I could care less about the english track but does anyone notice the voices are at a much lower volume level than the rest of the audio on the japanese DTS track?

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I noticed that, but it didnt bother me that much, just ment I had to raise the volume.

Trey-Trey

12-02-2004, 09:21 AM

I've noticed that with ALL Bandai releases. They always tweak the vocal tracks so that it is either WAAAAY above the music/sound effects. Or it's lower. I've never seen a release that has been balanced like the Japanese track.

I'm not sure what they did with the English audio track, but the Japanese one sounds "fuller". That's for all volumes so far, not just for this one (because I realize the English one is muffled for Vol. 3).

ScottBernard

12-13-2004, 09:34 PM

What suprises me is that this is still No. 3 at AnimeOneStop.

Are sub-fans just ignoring the glitch on the English DTS? /images/graemlins/knowital.gif

Is knowledge of the glitch not widespread? /images/graemlins/shy00000.gif

Could it be there are glitch-free versions of Vol. 3 SE out there already? /images/graemlins/stunned0.gif

Or are fans just scrambling for the free shirt? /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

Perfect_Cell

12-17-2004, 12:29 AM

I'm gonna get this series despite whats going on but to do that, I need a few questions answered.

1: For this glitch, does it just happen for op theme of eps 10? and is it really that annoying?

2: For vol. 2. The disc were switched as I heard DTS and Dolby Digital. Does this mean I have to get the regular version to get the SE disc?

Nylock

12-17-2004, 12:54 AM

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Ben said:
I'm gonna get this series despite whats going on but to do that, I need a few questions answered.

1: For this glitch, does it just happen for op theme of eps 10? and is it really that annoying?

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sorry, can't remember that one (very late night) /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

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2: For vol. 2. The disc were switched as I heard DTS and Dolby Digital. Does this mean I have to get the regular version to get the SE disc?

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No. The SE version still comes with a DTS disc and a DD5.1 disc - they just have the labels swapped over. They play perfectly, for a change.

Perfect_Cell

12-17-2004, 01:01 AM

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Nylock said:
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Ben said:
I'm gonna get this series despite whats going on but to do that, I need a few questions answered.

1: For this glitch, does it just happen for op theme of eps 10? and is it really that annoying?

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sorry, can't remember that one (very late night) /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

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2: For vol. 2. The disc were switched as I heard DTS and Dolby Digital. Does this mean I have to get the regular version to get the SE disc?

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No. The SE version still comes with a DTS disc and a DD5.1 disc - they just have the labels swapped over. They play perfectly, for a change.

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Thanks for clearing up the 2nd question. ^_^

ScottBernard

12-19-2004, 12:48 AM

Chris, why isn't this on the Glitch List? Hasn't it been confirmed as an actual glitch yet?

doctyl

12-24-2004, 10:46 PM

I just got all three S.E. for x-mas. Does this mean that I'll have to send them all back to Bandai if messed up like you state?

eau

12-25-2004, 02:48 AM

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I just got all three S.E. for x-mas. Does this mean that I'll have to send them all back to Bandai if messed up like you state?

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You should send these for replacement:

V.1 DTS disc
V.1 CD (OST)
V.2 DD disc
V.2 DTS disc

Don't send V.3 yet since there is no official replacement yet.

DeadlyMessiah

12-25-2004, 08:26 PM

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eau said:
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doctae said:
I just got all three S.E. for x-mas. Does this mean that I'll have to send them all back to Bandai if messed up like you state?

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You should send these for replacement:

V.1 DTS disc
V.1 CD (OST)
V.2 DD disc
V.2 DTS disc

Don't send V.3 yet since there is no official replacement yet.

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He has the SE to Vol2, so he has both discs, making it meaningless to send it in.

Hayate Kurogane

12-25-2004, 08:29 PM

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DeadlyMessiah said:
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eau said:
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doctae said:
I just got all three S.E. for x-mas. Does this mean that I'll have to send them all back to Bandai if messed up like you state?

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You should send these for replacement:

V.1 DTS disc
V.1 CD (OST)
V.2 DD disc
V.2 DTS disc

Don't send V.3 yet since there is no official replacement yet.

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He has the SE to Vol2, so he has both discs, making it meaningless to send it in.

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Unless he's one of those people who's doing it anyway so they can have correctly silkscreened copies. -_-

doctyl

12-26-2004, 12:18 AM

I can live with the vol. 2 mix-up. The other stuff I'll send to Bandai. I'm really frustrated with all these and Zeta Gundam vol 4's problems.

Kuroi Kenshin

12-27-2004, 08:41 AM

fractured78

12-27-2004, 01:56 PM

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Sakura Shinguji said:
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DeadlyMessiah said:
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eau said:
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doctae said:
I just got all three S.E. for x-mas. Does this mean that I'll have to send them all back to Bandai if messed up like you state?

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You should send these for replacement:

V.1 DTS disc
V.1 CD (OST)
V.2 DD disc
V.2 DTS disc

Don't send V.3 yet since there is no official replacement yet.

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He has the SE to Vol2, so he has both discs, making it meaningless to send it in.

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Unless he's one of those people who's doing it anyway so they can have correctly silkscreened copies. -_-

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Who knows, by now he might have gotten the fixed ones anyway. In fact, this late in the game I'd deem it likely.

01-24-2005, 06:19 PM

I just got my DTS Vol. 1 back. Is there any news on a replacement of Vol. 3 yet?

slerch666

01-24-2005, 07:29 PM

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I just got my DTS Vol. 1 back. Is there any news on a replacement of Vol. 3 yet?

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No. Bandai has said nothing at all about Vol. 3.

I got Vol. 4 today, wonder what's wrong with it?

Kuroi Kenshin

01-24-2005, 08:30 PM

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DanSt said:
I just got my DTS Vol. 1 back. Is there any news on a replacement of Vol. 3 yet?

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No. Bandai has said nothing at all about Vol. 3.

I got Vol. 4 today, wonder what's wrong with it?

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Nothing wrong with volume 4.

Trey-Trey

01-24-2005, 08:33 PM

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Onious said:
Nothing wrong with volume 4.

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Meanwhile in hell, all of the demons begin to put on their ice skates...

Hayate Kurogane

01-25-2005, 12:03 AM

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Onious said:
Nothing wrong with volume 4.

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Meanwhile in hell, all of the demons begin to put on their ice skates...

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Well, what is it they say? Bad things come in threes? So, I guess things will be okay from here on out (barring any undiscovered glitch present on volume 4), unless volumes 5-7 will all be defective somehow. /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

slerch666

01-25-2005, 06:00 AM

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Nothing wrong with volume 4.

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Thank you. I can't actually WATCH the damn thing, since I was retarded and sent vol 2 in before I even watched it (along with vol 1) because I thought they'd get it right back to me. Now whenever my replacements show up I'll have discs 2-4 to watch... possible 5 if this damn return takes any longer.

exile

02-04-2005, 04:30 PM

I know a lot of people have kind of written this off as not important enough to be fixed, but it sounds really, really annoying to me. I admit I haven't heard it yet as I just recently got back volumes 1 and 2 from bandai. But for those that have heard it is this really something not worth complaining about? Cause I'll call and complain and write letters and stuff if it is worth getting fixed. I mean this series has been so messed up that is the least they could do.

02-04-2005, 05:56 PM

I want it fixed as well. The english track is just as important as the japanese.

exile

02-04-2005, 08:31 PM

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I want it fixed as well. The english track is just as important as the japanese.

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Ah so I see, it is getting dismissed as not a big deal because it only effects the English track. Now it all makes sense. Well I listen to both anyways so it is important to me as well. Plus the fact that I don't want a flawed product. As bandai's third huge F-up in a row with this series they should be held responsible for it as well. I will start sending them emails then I guess.

EDIT:

Here is the letter I sent if anyone else would like to use it and add your name to the end. It only takes a second or two to send it over and hopefully if enough people do it we can get this problem corrected and prevent further problems of this type by telling companies like Bandai that we will not stand for poor quality control.

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To: <support@bandai-ent.com>

I was wondering if there was a replacement program for the glitch that exists on this dvd the duration of episode 10. It is only prevalent on the English DTS track. It seems that the left rear channel and the center channel play the same sound throughout this episode. If this problem has been corrected I would like to send my copy in for a replacement. If it has not been corrected I would like to suggest that it should be as it is quite annoying and noticeable on my DTS setup. Thank you for your time and support.

XXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXX

ScottBernard

02-05-2005, 03:15 AM

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Onious said:
Nothing wrong with volume 4.

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Thank you. I can't actually WATCH the damn thing, since I was retarded and sent vol 2 in before I even watched it (along with vol 1) because I thought they'd get it right back to me. Now whenever my replacements show up I'll have discs 2-4 to watch... possible 5 if this damn return takes any longer.

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It's pretty bad. Basically, for an entire epsiode, sound is only coming out of the center and left rear channels.

02-05-2005, 12:32 PM

I will try to also send a msg when I get home. I refuse to watch the series until I get everything fixed. I happen to really enjoy the english track.

Falcon2000

02-13-2005, 01:53 PM

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DanSt said:
I want it fixed as well. The english track is just as important as the japanese.

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Ah so I see, it is getting dismissed as not a big deal because it only effects the English track. Now it all makes sense. Well I listen to both anyways so it is important to me as well. Plus the fact that I don't want a flawed product. As bandai's third huge F-up in a row with this series they should be held responsible for it as well. I will start sending them emails then I guess.

EDIT:

Here is the letter I sent if anyone else would like to use it and add your name to the end. It only takes a second or two to send it over and hopefully if enough people do it we can get this problem corrected and prevent further problems of this type by telling companies like Bandai that we will not stand for poor quality control.

__________________________________________________ _______________
To: <support@bandai-ent.com>

I was wondering if there was a replacement program for the glitch that exists on this dvd the duration of episode 10. It is only prevalent on the English DTS track. It seems that the left rear channel and the center channel play the same sound throughout this episode. If this problem has been corrected I would like to send my copy in for a replacement. If it has not been corrected I would like to suggest that it should be as it is quite annoying and noticeable on my DTS setup. Thank you for your time and support.

XXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXX

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I was a little slow getting around to purchasing the GIC: SAC volumes. I just purchased the first 3 SE versions a few days ago. I have only gotten around to opening the first volume and listening to the CD and I noticed the problem and have since learned of all the other problems with the DVDs. I am debating on whether or not I should just return them to the store or if I should go through the hassle of sending them in to get replaced. For those of you that have sent the discs in, how long did it take to get them back? Has anyone had any problems?

I agree that even though the problem with vol 3 is only on the English DTS track, I still don't want a flawed product and I will also send an e-mail to Bandai stating this. Regardless of it being only one of the episodes, if people go out and buy the SE for the DTS track obviously they care about the sound quality. If they didn't care they would suffice with the DD version.

slerch666

02-13-2005, 05:11 PM

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For those of you that have sent the discs in, how long did it take to get them back? Has anyone had any problems?

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I haven't gotten shit back, but supposedly mine was to ship last week. I sent in discs from vol 1, 2 and some OSTs for several overseas members. Last Friday I received an email saying they were hoping to get mine out "in the next couple days." Haven't gotten anything from them.

How long have I waited? Since the end of October. If you send them in and want them back faster, I recommend sending each disc in individually. This way they ship what they have and it doesn't get held up, or only a single disc gets held up as opposed to all the discs.

exile

02-14-2005, 03:23 PM

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Falcon2000 said:
I was a little slow getting around to purchasing the GIC: SAC volumes. I just purchased the first 3 SE versions a few days ago. I have only gotten around to opening the first volume and listening to the CD and I noticed the problem and have since learned of all the other problems with the DVDs. I am debating on whether or not I should just return them to the store or if I should go through the hassle of sending them in to get replaced. For those of you that have sent the discs in, how long did it take to get them back? Has anyone had any problems?

I agree that even though the problem with vol 3 is only on the English DTS track, I still don't want a flawed product and I will also send an e-mail to Bandai stating this. Regardless of it being only one of the episodes, if people go out and buy the SE for the DTS track obviously they care about the sound quality. If they didn't care they would suffice with the DD version.

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The more emails the better. I still haven't heard anything back from mine. I am assuming it will stay that way. Just hope they passed the info on.

ScottBernard

02-14-2005, 07:05 PM

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exile said:
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Falcon2000 said:
I was a little slow getting around to purchasing the GIC: SAC volumes. I just purchased the first 3 SE versions a few days ago. I have only gotten around to opening the first volume and listening to the CD and I noticed the problem and have since learned of all the other problems with the DVDs. I am debating on whether or not I should just return them to the store or if I should go through the hassle of sending them in to get replaced. For those of you that have sent the discs in, how long did it take to get them back? Has anyone had any problems?

I agree that even though the problem with vol 3 is only on the English DTS track, I still don't want a flawed product and I will also send an e-mail to Bandai stating this. Regardless of it being only one of the episodes, if people go out and buy the SE for the DTS track obviously they care about the sound quality. If they didn't care they would suffice with the DD version.

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The more emails the better. I still haven't heard anything back from mine. I am assuming it will stay that way. Just hope they passed the info on.

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I've actually held off on buying the rest of this series until this particular glitch gets addressed.

deoch

02-14-2005, 10:28 PM

I got the CD back in a pretty timely manner. Vol. 1 and 2 however, I have yet to receive... /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

03-14-2005, 03:42 AM

Has anyone received any news about this yet?

Kuroi Kenshin

03-14-2005, 05:19 AM

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DanSt said:
Has anyone received any news about this yet?

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Nothing has been said, looks like they're going to ignore it.

ScottBernard

03-14-2005, 10:45 AM

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DanSt said:
Has anyone received any news about this yet?

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Nothing has been said, looks like they're going to ignore it.

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I guess the series' topping the charts the last year isn't helping, huh?

They're probably thinking, "Problem? What problem? The kids love GITS! To heck with those DTS dub fans!"

exile

03-14-2005, 11:52 AM

I emailed them twice myself. I just think not as many people have noticed it or complained about it so that problem has gone pretty much ignored. I wonder though if they may have fixed it internally. Maybe the versions out in stores now or soon will be corrected. Not that I would buy it twice, but I do often wonder if companies do that and still ignore the people that want it fixed.

slerch666

03-14-2005, 03:19 PM

Considering I sent 2 copies of Arjuna Vol. 1 in with my GitS stuff and was returned 2 unopened Vol. 1s that were still f***ed, I'd say even if they did it's like playing Russian Roulette. I had to email them again and show them exactly what the issue was and then the reply back was... "oh. I think I found fixed discs in a box and I'll send them back out to you." Lovely.

ScottBernard

03-14-2005, 09:30 PM

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I wonder though if they may have fixed it internally. Maybe the versions out in stores now or soon will be corrected.

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Now even THAT would be better than them doing nothing. I MIGHT be willing to go through the Russian roulette of finding a fixed copy. That's how much I want the fixed English DTS.

03-17-2005, 04:05 PM

Just letting everyone know that I did get a response back from Bandai CS. He knew of the problem but only thought it was in the intro. I explained to him using examples, using a post from Onious a few pages back (thanks Onious..I gave you credit in the email), that it was throughout the whole ep. All he said is he would speak with the staff about it but there would be NO guarantee that a fix would be available. I am actually quite sad about this.

exile

03-17-2005, 04:22 PM

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DanSt said:
Just letting everyone know that I did get a response back from Bandai CS. He knew of the problem but only thought it was in the intro. I explained to him using examples, using a post from Onious a few pages back (thanks Onious..I gave you credit in the email), that it was throughout the whole ep. All he said is he would speak with the staff about it but there would be NO guarantee that a fix would be available. I am actually quite sad about this.

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Hey that is awesome though at least you got a response about it. Hopefully they will check on it now and see how bad it is and get it fixed. This really is a huge problem, regardless of whether people want to admit it or not. When you buy the stupid SE for the DTS track and then that is what is messed up, it is a really big problem. I don't see how Bandai can let this go.

Thanks for the response here. It is good to know they got back to someone.

Kuroi Kenshin

03-17-2005, 05:58 PM

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DanSt said:
Just letting everyone know that I did get a response back from Bandai CS. He knew of the problem but only thought it was in the intro. I explained to him using examples, using a post from Onious a few pages back (thanks Onious..I gave you credit in the email), that it was throughout the whole ep. All he said is he would speak with the staff about it but there would be NO guarantee that a fix would be available. I am actually quite sad about this.

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Well, that's better than no news. And thanks for the mention, though it wasn't necessary.

Guess we gotta actually keep are fingers cross... as lame as it is.

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ScottBernard

03-17-2005, 09:02 PM

exile

03-17-2005, 09:42 PM

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ScottBernard said:
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DanSt said:
Just letting everyone know that I did get a response back from Bandai CS. He knew of the problem but only thought it was in the intro. I explained to him using examples, using a post from Onious a few pages back (thanks Onious..I gave you credit in the email), that it was throughout the whole ep. All he said is he would speak with the staff about it but there would be NO guarantee that a fix would be available. I am actually quite sad about this.

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Can you post your e-mail correspondence? /images/graemlins/happy.gif

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Also maybe the email address that you either sent to or that responded to you (assuming they are different). I am willing to try sending them one again if it will be adding to what they are allready checking on now. That might just get them moving. I'll make sure to mention that it is throughout the whole episode in my email too (not sure if I did last time).

Skywise

03-18-2005, 08:23 AM

Please do not post individual email addresses of people working for companies unless they specifically give permission. They'll just get flooded with mails and it won't help either us, or them. That's why there's forms on web sites, official customer service mail addresses etc.

ScottBernard

03-19-2005, 11:42 AM

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Please do not post individual email addresses of people working for companies unless they specifically give permission. They'll just get flooded with mails and it won't help either us, or them. That's why there's forms on web sites, official customer service mail addresses etc.

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OK. Fair enough. We don't need the addresses anyway. Just the text of the correspondence would be nice.

03-19-2005, 01:40 PM

Sorry guys. I have been busy at work so I haven't been able to post or check the forums much. I will try to post the correspondance as soon as I have time. For those interested I just emailed the normal support email. I think it is support@bandai-ent.com. This was the one I used for all the other GITS discs.

exile

03-20-2005, 04:00 PM

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DanSt said:
Sorry guys. I have been busy at work so I haven't been able to post or check the forums much. I will try to post the correspondance as soon as I have time. For those interested I just emailed the normal support email. I think it is support@bandai-ent.com. This was the one I used for all the other GITS discs.

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Okay, cool, that is the one I have been emailing. So at least I know I am sending the stuff to the right place. I will try again then.

03-20-2005, 08:02 PM

Here is the email correspondence. My original msg was pretty much a copy and paste of the email a few pages back that exile posted with some minor changes. I really hope that Bandai does something. It's not like this is a small error or something that can be ignored.

(The emails go from newest to oldest)

-----Original Message-----
From: Bandai Entertainment
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:32 AM
To: Dan
Subject: RE: Ghost in the Shell Vol. 3 DTS DVD Glitch

Dear Dan,

I'll bring it up to the staff but I can't guarantee any fix.

Regards, support@bandai-ent.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 8:02 PM
To: Bandai Entertainment
Subject: RE: Ghost in the Shell Vol. 3 DTS DVD Glitch

Yes it is throughout episode 10. Here is a perfect explanation from the thread I directed you to on the animeondvd forum's. Onious, the poster, perfectly explains what I hear throughout the entire episode:

"The focus of the audio in the intro comes from the center and left rear channel.

Cyberbrain communication is always heard through the center and left rear channel.

Tachikoma dialog is through the center and left rear.

The background sound FX, and i'll give you an example: the scene where Ishikawa comes intro the control room and alerts Aramaki and Motoko of the CIA setting them up as automatic sliding door opens and closes, is heard from the center and left rear.

The background music, mainly percussion, symphonic synthesizer and bass, is heard through the center and left rear, drowning out the surround sound.

So pretty much, any type of sound manipulation, or percussion that is designated to the center channel, is also coming out of the left rear."

Please, please say you will look into this. I really like this show a lot and I am very happy to own the DTS version of this series. That is why I spend the extra money for each volume. I and many others would be very grateful if you could fix this for us.
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Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: Bandai Entertainment
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 12:22 PM
To: Dan
Subject: RE: Ghost in the Shell Vol. 3 DTS DVD Glitch

Dear Dan,

I'm aware with the issue with Vol. 3 DTS, but I didn't know that it ran throughout episode 10, I thought it was just the opening scene. Can you confirm that it runs through episode 10?

Regards, support@bandai-ent.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 1:54 AM
To: support@bandai-ent.com
Subject: Ghost in the Shell Vol. 3 DTS DVD Glitch

Hello!
I was wondering if there was a replacement program for the glitch that exists on the Ghost in the Shell Vol. 3 DTS DVD. The glitch occurs throughout episode 10. It is only prevalent on the English DTS track. It seems that the left rear channel and the center channel play the same sound throughout this episode. If this problem has been corrected I would like to send my copy in for a replacement. If it has not been corrected I would like to suggest that it should be as it is quite annoying and noticeable on my DTS setup. Thank you for your time and support.

Here is a thread on the AnimeonDVD fourms detailing this glitch:

http://forums.animeondvd.com/showflat.ph...;o=&fpart=1 (http://forums.animeondvd.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=748895&page=0&view=collap sed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1)
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Dan

ScottBernard

03-20-2005, 10:46 PM

Nice going, DanSt! Hopefully this spurs Bandai to act on the problem. GITS:SAC is such a great show that it deserves better treatment and more respect than this.

03-21-2005, 04:46 PM

Thanks! I really hope they do something. Everyone who is reading this thread should send a note to Bandai. Whether you listen to the english track or not you should still send an email. Take a stand and tell Bandai that we won't stand for poorly mastered DVD's. Especially when we spend the extra money for features like DTS. Heck, I consider this problem worse than the Vol. 2 label problem. That just affected the label on the DVD. The content was just fine. This actually affects the content and degrades the viewing experience. The content is what we buy the product for. It should be fixed.

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millionsknives

03-21-2005, 05:38 PM

I sent them an email about it, they should reply in a few days. Hopefully we can get a fix for this too.

exile

05-05-2005, 11:27 PM

Anyone hear anything new on this? I emailed them again as I said and never heard back. I have the worst luck with them and this type of thing though it seems. Just figured I would cross my finger and hope one more time. Hopefully someone else had more luck than me.

Iridium

05-06-2005, 01:13 AM

Just mailed them about it myself.

millionsknives

05-07-2005, 12:30 AM

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exile said:
Anyone hear anything new on this? I emailed them again as I said and never heard back. I have the worst luck with them and this type of thing though it seems. Just figured I would cross my finger and hope one more time. Hopefully someone else had more luck than me.

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No reply received for me either. Been way over a month, maybe two now. I guess Bandai will try to sweep this one under the rug.

ScottBernard

05-08-2005, 12:29 PM

I really wish someone had asked Bandai about this during one of the last few cons.

Skywise

05-08-2005, 04:16 PM

Acen is next weekend. Someone ask Bandai then.

Chacranajxy

06-22-2005, 10:21 AM

Haven't been paying attention lately, but has anything at all been said about fixing the issue with this disc?

slerch666

06-22-2005, 11:10 AM

Nothing at all. Don't expect it to happen.

Trey-Trey

06-22-2005, 11:25 AM

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slerch666 said:
Nothing at all. Don't expect it to happen.

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Trust him on this. Slerch knows better than anyone else about various companie's customer service.

Chacranajxy

06-22-2005, 11:40 AM

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slerch666 said:
Nothing at all. Don't expect it to happen.

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Trust him on this. Slerch knows better than anyone else about various companie's customer service.

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I definitely believe slerch on this... after all the shit he went through trying to get replacements for people out of the country for the last 2 DVDs, I at least have to trust him on Gits.

ScottBernard

06-22-2005, 11:56 AM

I've totally given up on this series. I really wanted that English DTS track and I refuse to support a release that's glitched. Bandai really let me down with this one.

slerch666

06-22-2005, 12:34 PM

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Trey_in_Atlanta said:
Trust him on this. Slerch knows better than anyone else about various companie's customer service.

[/ QUOTE ]I don't know I'd go that far.

I'm not attached to the Anime world in anything other than a rabid fan fashion. I have a tenacity when it comes to problems and this is one that, after repeated emailings to Badai's CS, has resulted in nothing but "we're looking into it" since the disc was released. This is the same line I've been fed, repeatedly, over the .hack//lott and S-Cry-Ed 4 issues and we all know where those issues have ended up (in unresolved land).

I've given up on trying to get any more info from Bandai as they aren't forthcoming, but the fact that the disc has been available for what, 7+ months and nothing has come of it, I believe it's safe to assume Bandai isn't fixing it. The vol. 1 and 2 issues were resolved, over all, fairly quickly (OK, so they had issues getting vol 1 corrected and sent, but we knew they were working on it in a fairly timely manner).

I will say that the problem doesn't bother me personally that much (but hasn't prevented me from trying to get a fix) as I am not a dub fan, however, that doesn't mean I won't support getting it fixed in any capacity I am able. If a replacement offer is made, even though I won't utilize the track, I'll take advantage of the offer so that they have some financial incentive to ensure crap like this stops happening and recommend everyone else do the same.

And if anyone has replacements they need and are out of the US, shoot me a PM and I'll do what I can for you. Just be aware that Bandai can be slow on these replacements. And I won't limit it to just Bandai if a studio won't do international returns, just realize I do it with my free time so requests may be denied, or postponed, if I'm busy. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

ScottBernard

06-23-2005, 07:43 AM

Dude, as a dub fan, i gotta say your zeal regarding this issue has been much appreciated. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

HyugaKojiro

06-24-2005, 01:58 PM

Seing as how vol 3 has a glitch and 1 and 2 as well, are there any other dvds of the series that have audio glitches? I'm wondering whether or not I should get the series before the DDD sale runs out. And are the retail (not exchange versions) of vol 1 and 2 fixed by now or have they not begun selling the corrected versions?

slerch666

06-24-2005, 02:36 PM

None of the other discs have audio issues. I believe the DD disc for 5 or 6 has a video fart in it during an opening. No one really seemed all that angered by it, and it does it during the CN airing supposedly (don't watch CN myself), most people just seem to have accepted that problem.

There are corrected vol. 2 discs out there. I haven't heard reports either way whether the disc 1 has corrected editions out there or not.

For the record:

Vol. 1 Japanese DTS had the rear left speaker quieter than the rest of the speakers
Vol. 2 Swapped DD and DTS labels. Some DTS discs landed in the DD regular edition DVD cases
Vol. 3 ENGLISH [/b]DTS problem[/b] (read this thread for more detail /images/graemlins/wink.gif)
Vol. 6 Both discs (DD/DTS) had a visual fart in an opening.There is a glitch disc posting for it somewhere in this forum though.

Getting replacements is really easy for any of the problems they've corrected (vol. 1 and 2 only), unless you're over seas. They even reimburse for shipping to them if you provide a receipt for shipping to them and don't include insurance or tracking.

Chacranajxy

06-24-2005, 03:36 PM

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slerch666 said:
None of the other discs have audio issues. I believe the DD disc for 5 or 6 has a video fart in it during an opening. No one really seemed all that angered by it, and it does it during the CN airing supposedly (don't watch CN myself), most people just seem to have accepted that problem.

There are corrected vol. 2 discs out there. I haven't heard reports either way whether the disc 1 has corrected editions out there or not.

For the record:

Vol. 1 Japanese DTS had the rear left speaker quieter than the rest of the speakers
Vol. 2 Swapped DD and DTS labels. Some DTS discs landed in the DD regular edition DVD cases
Vol. 3 ENGLISH [/b]DTS problem[/b] (read this thread for more detail /images/graemlins/wink.gif)
Vol. 5 or 6 DD disc [/b]ONLY[/b] had a visual fart in an opening. Sorry I don't remember exactly which disc it was. There is a glitch disc posting for it somewhere in this forum though.

Getting replacements is really easy for any of the problems they've corrected (vol. 1 and 2 only), unless you're over seas. They even reimburse for shipping to them if you provide a receipt for shipping to them and don't include insurance or tracking.

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Disc 6 had the issue, and it was not only on the DD disc, it was on the DTS one as well. However, it only happens with certain DVD players I think.

Anyway, the only major problems (for me at least), was the volume 1's screwed up DTS track and the somewhat annoying Vol. 2 switched labels.

Sent those in and got 'em fixed and now I'm glad I stuck with the series.

slerch666

06-24-2005, 03:58 PM

Thanks for the heads up on the vol. 6 thing. I edited my list in the post above yours. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

I only used the DTS disc and didn't have the issue, so I thought it was on the DD disc. Thanks!

HyugaKojiro

06-24-2005, 04:02 PM

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slerch666 said:
None of the other discs have audio issues. I believe the DD disc for 5 or 6 has a video fart in it during an opening. No one really seemed all that angered by it, and it does it during the CN airing supposedly (don't watch CN myself), most people just seem to have accepted that problem.

There are corrected vol. 2 discs out there. I haven't heard reports either way whether the disc 1 has corrected editions out there or not.

For the record:

Vol. 1 Japanese DTS had the rear left speaker quieter than the rest of the speakers
Vol. 2 Swapped DD and DTS labels. Some DTS discs landed in the DD regular edition DVD cases
Vol. 3 ENGLISH [/b]DTS problem[/b] (read this thread for more detail /images/graemlins/wink.gif)
Vol. 5 or 6 DD disc [/b]ONLY[/b] had a visual fart in an opening. Sorry I don't remember exactly which disc it was. There is a glitch disc posting for it somewhere in this forum though.

Getting replacements is really easy for any of the problems they've corrected (vol. 1 and 2 only), unless you're over seas. They even reimburse for shipping to them if you provide a receipt for shipping to them and don't include insurance or tracking.

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Ok thanks for your help, Chacranajxy as well. I'll get the series and hope they'll exchange the 3rd disc later on. It's a shame really as the english dub really is good for the series and this is coming from a sub fanatic.

exile

06-24-2005, 04:36 PM

I like dubs, but I also watch subs. So I would be fine watching this series subbed and then I would be avoiding the Dub DTS issue in Volume 3 alltogether. But I just can't bring myself to do it.

I can't bring myself to accept the fact that they brought out an SE disc at a premium price with the sole difference being an added DTS track and then refuse to admit there is a problem with the track (or refuse to hear about / fix said problem).

I have put off watching this series because I want to see if this problem gets fixed. I have unfortunately relinquished any small amount of power I would have had as a consumer by already purchasing all of the SE volumes.

It is a matter of principle at this point that this be fixed. I am surprised it hasn't gotten more attention and been addressed. I suppose with the problems of v1 and v2 this got lost all the hubbub.

Well, I'll send another email today and see where it gets me. I would appreciate not getting faulty products for my hard-earned money and especially when the product comes at a premium price point for a special feature that happens to be the reason it is faulty in the first place.

misc

06-24-2005, 07:28 PM

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exile said:
I like dubs, but I also watch subs. So I would be fine watching this series subbed and then I would be avoiding the Dub DTS issue in Volume 3 alltogether. But I just can't bring myself to do it.

I can't bring myself to accept the fact that they brought out an SE disc at a premium price with the sole difference being an added DTS track and then refuse to admit there is a problem with the track (or refuse to hear about / fix said problem).

I have put off watching this series because I want to see if this problem gets fixed. I have unfortunately relinquished any small amount of power I would have had as a consumer by already purchasing all of the SE volumes.

It is a matter of principle at this point that this be fixed. I am surprised it hasn't gotten more attention and been addressed. I suppose with the problems of v1 and v2 this got lost all the hubbub.

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With the problems of v1 and v2 this hubbub should not even have happened! This is one of the biggest Anime releases of the year! How this f***ed up again--uggghhh... (Congratulations for holding the record of most straight gliches in a row.)

It's not only a matter of principle that this be fixed. It's an injustice to not fix it for your idiotic patrons (me included) who continue to support this shoddy release.

I paid real money. That alone is more reason to have this fixed. In the end, whether to fix the glitch--any glitch, no matter how big or small a glitch, in any industry, no matter the size of the company--is a testimony on what a company's stand is on their products, how capable they are in handling unfavorable situations, and how they learn to avoid such an occurance in the future.

We have only begun to see how Bandai fits this billing. I can only pray other companies, who with their own numerous respective hubbubs, do not further join the ranks as laughing stock of the industry.

exile

06-27-2005, 10:50 PM

Anyone going to the show this week that can make a stand and ask about this issue? It would be greatly appreciated even if said person doesn't exactly feel so passionate about it themselves. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif Pretty please.

slerch666

06-28-2005, 05:08 AM

I'm going to Otakon and plan on attending the Bandai panel, so if no one does it at Anime Expo, I'll ask there.

ScottBernard

06-28-2005, 10:52 AM

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exile said:
Anyone going to the show this week that can make a stand and ask about this issue? It would be greatly appreciated even if said person doesn't exactly feel so passionate about it themselves. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif Pretty please.

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This is the best idea yet. If I lived in the U.S., I'd do it myself. Kudos to whoever does it and I hope everyone else at the show will clamor for a fix.

ScottBernard

07-03-2005, 09:58 PM

So did anyone bring this up at the recent con?

exile

07-04-2005, 07:24 PM

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ScottBernard said:
So did anyone bring this up at the recent con?

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I mentioned it in the con question thread, but there were so many other questions in there that I would be surprised if anyone saw it even. /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

slerch666

07-04-2005, 08:58 PM

Well, assuming they don't schedule something else I'd like to do at Otakon at the same time as Bandai's panel, I can ask there if no one else did.

ScottBernard

07-04-2005, 10:36 PM

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slerch666 said:
Well, assuming they don't schedule something else I'd like to do at Otakon at the same time as Bandai's panel, I can ask there if no one else did.

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Thanks. That would be much appreciated. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

exile

07-05-2005, 12:49 AM

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slerch666 said:
Well, assuming they don't schedule something else I'd like to do at Otakon at the same time as Bandai's panel, I can ask there if no one else did.

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Yes thank you slerch, would be very greatly appreciated.

slerch666

08-18-2005, 07:50 AM

Well, sorry to bump this old ass thread, but Otakon is just around the corner and I haven't forgotten the disc 3 English DTS issues. I'll ask at their panel, as I said I would so long as I go (and considering most of the Anime they are playing at the con I've already seen, I can't imagine much else going on that I want to do).

If I can't get a chance to ask at the panel, I'll ask at their booth (Assuming they have one this year)

I'm kinda hoping someone else asks it before me, simply because I'm honestly not a dub fan.

ScottBernard

08-18-2005, 08:33 AM

Thanks again slerch. Hope they finally do something about it.

slerch666

08-20-2005, 11:50 PM

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Sakura Shinguji said:
*cries*

Sometimes it does seem like slerch, dunno, and I are the only ones who had problems with s-CRY-ed volume 4 and .hack//LotT. /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

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And considering Bandai's "beautifully" big "presence", it's no surprise that nothing has ever come of the complaints. See my post below for details (below assuming you are using the flat view).

slerch666

08-20-2005, 11:58 PM

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ScottBernard said:
Thanks again slerch. Hope they finally do something about it.

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Funny story here. I went to Otakon (obviously) with the intention of asking Bandai about the issue. I found their booth. They were in a FUCKING CORNER of the dealers room, a SMALL, TINY, MINISCULE corner. And what were they selling? A few box collections of things like WHR and Love Hina, and piles of Gundam models (and compared to many other booths in the dealer's room, they had such a pitiful amount of Gundam models as well, and many were duplicates).

The 2 people working the booth seemed pretty clueless, so I decided f- it, I'll ask Manga. So I stopped by their booth (which was, surprisingly, actually IN the area reserved for the studios, whereas Bandai was not). I asked Keith Burgess (he's the BIG guy who looked like he could snap me in half with his pinkies, yet nice as all hell when you talk to him) if anything was being done about the disc 3 audio issue and he looked at me like it was a TOTAL surprise that there was a problem. He told me it was the first her had heard about it because usually what winds up happening is they get flooded with email about these things, but they obviously received NOTHING on this one. So I told him I'd email him a link to the thread so he could see what the problem is.

Given Bandai's lack of presence (they had a panel, but it was canceled and AN Entertainment, a much cooler company, took over their 90 minute block), I felt Manga was the better way to go, especially considering they were selling the DVDs, not Bandai. Bandai didn't have them on their table at all. Crazy.

So, as soon as I get finished posting, I'm forwarding this link on to Keith in hopes that he will have something to say about it and let us know what may or may not be done about it.

Iridium

08-21-2005, 12:15 AM

ScottBernard

08-21-2005, 03:17 AM

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slerch666 said:
Funny story here. I went to Otakon (obviously) with the intention of asking Bandai about the issue. I found their booth. They were in a FUCKING CORNER of the dealers room, a SMALL, TINY, MINISCULE corner. And what were they selling? A few box collections of things like WHR and Love Hina, and piles of Gundam models (and compared to many other booths in the dealer's room, they had such a pitiful amount of Gundam models as well, and many were duplicates).

The 2 people working the booth seemed pretty clueless, so I decided f- it, I'll ask Manga. So I stopped by their booth (which was, surprisingly, actually IN the area reserved for the studios, whereas Bandai was not). I asked Keith Burgess (he's the BIG guy who looked like he could snap me in half with his pinkies, yet nice as all hell when you talk to him) if anything was being done about the disc 3 audio issue and he looked at me like it was a TOTAL surprise that there was a problem. He told me it was the first her had heard about it because usually what winds up happening is they get flooded with email about these things, but they obviously received NOTHING on this one. So I told him I'd email him a link to the thread so he could see what the problem is.

Given Bandai's lack of presence (they had a panel, but it was canceled and AN Entertainment, a much cooler company, took over their 90 minute block), I felt Manga was the better way to go, especially considering they were selling the DVDs, not Bandai. Bandai didn't have them on their table at all. Crazy.

So, as soon as I get finished posting, I'm forwarding this link on to Keith in hopes that he will have something to say about it and let us know what may or may not be done about it.

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Nice work, slerch. I hope someone, whether Bandai or Manga, does something about this.

slerch666

08-21-2005, 09:32 AM

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Iridium said:
Two years in a row now Bandai had a bad spot. Supposedly in 2004 they were broadsided by the con regulations and had to scale back their booth. Not sure what happened this year.

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Something tells me that was likely a PR spin to the real problem, which as many of the other Studios hinted at, is that Bandai as a company is pretty f***ed up right now. Rumor also had it that Jerry was fed up and that's the real reason he left.

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Iridium said:
Jerry did say that he didn't know who would be taking over the Otakon panel after he left Bandai.

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Well, with the way Otakon played out, it looks like... NOBODY. They had the time panel reserved but dropped it a week ago. Evidently AN Entertainment had solicited panel time and Otakon dropped the ball for them. AN E then received a call that Bandai was a no show, and they could have a "big studio's" 90 minute block (most "smaller" guys had 60 minutes of time).

exile

08-21-2005, 10:24 PM

Hopefully something comes of this. Thanks for asking. Not sure how much push manga has with this release, but any push would be great. Who knows they might even control more of it than I know.

ScottBernard

08-22-2005, 01:39 AM

I'd be thrilled if manga could surprise us in that way.

slerch666

08-22-2005, 11:15 AM

The initial reply, that I just received (I can't believe Keith made it back from the Con and decided to go to work LOL) was basically along the lines of what I had already said.

Keith replied that when I approached him, it was the first he had heard of the problem. He said he's looking into it and hopes to know something in the next couple days and that if I don't hear back from him, to email him again. So I'll wait a week or 2 to give him some time to gather some info and then email again if I don't get a reply.

It's pretty scary when Manga, which has a smaller, more homey feel to it, is more MUSCH customer oriented/friendly than Bandai. Some of Manga's releases have been less than stellar, but they've come a long way since then, IMO.

ScottBernard

08-22-2005, 12:30 PM

Thanks again, slerch. Eagerly awaiting Keith's reply....

slerch666

09-07-2005, 10:23 AM

Here's the reply I got back from Keith:

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I'm sorry I though I responded to you, since it was such a small problem it was decided that it was not necessary to do a replacement recall. Sorry there was nothing more and for the wait in my getting back to you.

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So for those of you looking to have this fixed, unfortunately it won't be. The only other option for you would be the R2 Euro discs being released, though it sounds like they have their fair share of audio problems (sync).

Sorry everyone that it didn't have a better conclusion. Now if only Bandai could have come out and told us that, instead of hiding with their tails between their legs.

ic14

09-07-2005, 11:51 AM

Re the UK release (of vol 3). i think volume 3 is free of problems, its 4 that has em. Im still waiting for my replacment copy of 4 actually....

slerch666

09-07-2005, 12:03 PM

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IanC said:
Re the UK release (of vol 3). i think volume 3 is free of problems, its 4 that has em. Im still waiting for my replacment copy of 4 actually....

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So you don't have the same audio issue as the R1 English language version? That's good for people to know if they have the ability to watch PAL DVDs on their system (and assuming they can watch R2 UK discs). I don't think people should have to rebuy a title because of something like this (since it should be fixed, I'm not saying it's an irrelevant problem or anything like that), but if someone so desires there are other options I suppose.

ScottBernard

09-07-2005, 02:32 PM

Thanks for all of your efforts, slerch. With this last nail in the coffin, I won't be buying the rest of Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex or any of Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex Second Gig. I just can't bring myself to patronize defective product. I'll also be actively discouraging people from buying Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex and Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex Second Gig.

Hopefully once Blu-ray hits the market, the license to these shows will go to someone OTHER than Bandai and Manga.

09-07-2005, 04:13 PM

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ScottBernard said:
Hopefully once Blu-ray hits the market, the license to these shows will go to someone OTHER than Bandai and Manga.

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If I recall correctly both companies had people producing the show on the Japanese side so I think a transfer of license would be unlikely, but I hope they'll be able to learn from all of their mistakes for the inevitable HD-release (they'd better).

slerch666

09-07-2005, 04:36 PM

Sorry to hear you won't be purchasing the rest of the show. There are always the shadier ways to go, if you feel you have to see the show and don't want "them" getting your money. There's also the really expensive JPN R2 route, though then you have to deal with the high price, Japanese only and no subs. Perhaps someone in the R3 Korea area will release the show with the dub? I kinda doubt it, but you never know...

For me, I'm not an English fan so it's not a big enough problem for me to stop buying over. That doesn't mean I don't think the problem isn't a problem (cause if I did, I'd have given up long ago and forgotten it long before Otakon).

For what it's worth, the rest of the volumes thus far (4-7) don't seem to have any issues on any language track. Small consolation, I know.