I''s #3 stars

[hobie]

As expected, I''s #3 has stars covering nipples on certain pages. I'll see about scanning next week.

[Gonfreaks]

*sigh* This is literally MINUTES after I was just telling someone how happy I was with the October 2005 issue of Shonen Jump - it was the first issue that didn't make me angry in a while (six color Death Note pages, One Piece artbook news, Black Cat article are all great /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif)

[flchick]

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Hobie-wan said:
As expected, I''s #3 has stars covering nipples on certain pages. I'll see about scanning next week.

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Wasn't it established that creator put those stars on himself. I have looked through the book and being a girl found it very sexually explicit in regards in panty shots and other stuff. If a book store manger actually looked through it I don't think it would last long on the shelf in the current location.

Why are people complaining about the stars, since it has been stated that they are going to be there.

[Gonfreaks]

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Hobie-wan said:
As expected, I''s #3 has stars covering nipples on certain pages. I'll see about scanning next week.

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Wasn't it established that creator put those stars on himself. I have looked through the book and being a girl found it very sexually explicit in regards in panty shots and other stuff. If a book store manger actually looked through it I don't think it would last long on the shelf in the current location.



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IIRC from when I read the series, stars were only put on later on in the series, and it was once or twice. Viz put the stars on, for the most part.

[Mr. Nail Bat]

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flchick said:
I have looked through the book and being a girl found it very sexually explicit in regards in panty shots and other stuff. If a book store manger actually looked through it I don't think it would last long on the shelf in the current location.

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My complaint is that the figleafing of nudity is only to make the series "appropriate" for a younger age group... when the content itself of the series should make it inappropriate for a younger age group.

It should be rated for Older Teens and left alone. However, this topic is very much beating a dead horse.

[jlazar]

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Wasn't it established that creator put those stars on himself.


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He used stars in one panel of the original as a joke.

All other alterations to the US edition were done by Viz to censor it. Their trying to justify the stars they added because of this one instance is pathetic, IMHO.

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I have looked through the book and being a girl found it very sexually explicit in regards in panty shots and other stuff. If a book store manger actually looked through it I don't think it would last long on the shelf in the current location.


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Which is why the alterations are pointless. The prudes are still not going to buy it and the people who respect the original artwork aren't going to buy it.


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Why are people complaining about the stars, since it has been stated that they are going to be there.

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Why should preknowledge of censorship make it any better or not worth complaining about?

BTW, Viz never 'preannounced' their censoring... it's only been found out after they release their edited versions.

[GodaiStudios]

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Hobie-wan said:
As expected, I''s #3 has stars covering nipples on certain pages. I'll see about scanning next week.

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Were there stars to be found in places outside of the original location? Stars should have only come up one time - (the joke leading back to the first faked photo of Iori.)

[jlazar]

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Hobie-wan said:
As expected, I''s #3 has stars covering nipples on certain pages. I'll see about scanning next week.

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Were there stars to be found in places outside of the original location? Stars should have only come up one time - (the joke leading back to the first faked photo of Iori.)

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A quick flip through my Japanese volume showed the joke stars on page 91 in the orignal. The only other nipples I saw on the quick flip through was on page 51 when the girl's top comes off when swimming.

[hobie]

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Jim Lazar said:
A quick flip through my Japanese volume showed the joke stars on page 91 in the orignal.

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Oh yeah. I forgot about that. Quake con and Otakon back to back. I'm only just now recovering. /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif

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The only other nipples I saw on the quick flip through was on page 51 when the girl's top comes off when swimming.

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Pretty sure there was something added there to cover her up on my quick flip through.

[flchick]

"The prudes are still not going to buy it "

Are you calling me a prude? Dude you need to get a grip and just chill and stop complaining. People are buying it with stars and Viz stated that they are going to be in there. I'll just stick to my sexually explicit yaoi since you think I am a prude for not buying the book when its just not my taste.

[Gonfreaks]

I didn't take that comment as against you, just using the fact that you said there were plenty of panty shots in the series to prove that the nipple-editing is pointless, as there is other explicit content in the book.

[Noodle]

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"The prudes are still not going to buy it "

Are you calling me a prude? Dude you need to get a grip and just chill and stop complaining. People are buying it with stars and Viz stated that they are going to be in there. I'll just stick to my sexually explicit yaoi since you think I am a prude for not buying the book when its just not my taste.

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There's no need to overreact. He used your message to quote a response, but it's unlikely that Jim Lazar was directing the comment at you personally. Sure it could have been worded better, but I think he was trying to reiterate a point-- which has been said many, many times on this subject -- the subject material, with or without the art-altering stars, is still inappropriate for the group of people it is being marketed to so this case of VIZ treating the symptoms rather than disease is ridiculous by most fans' view.

Since this is not a title you plan to buy as it doesn't suit your tastes, and the outrage over it something you can't understand, then perhaps it's best to avoid these threads, rather than tell people to stop complaining.

[jlazar]

No, I didn't mean to say or imply that you were a prude.

I was just pointing out that anyone who would get upset about the nipples being there are just as likely to be upset about all the other sexualy suggestive portions of this title. And, thus, the stars are pointless.

And Viz's only comment on their censoring of I''s came after they started releasing it and the edits were discovered. They have hardly been honest or forthcomming about it.

As for people buying it with the stars... I'm sure some people are. But none of us have access to the sales data to even guess if it's increased sales or decreased sales (and without sales for an uncut version, it's impossible to ever know for sure if edits like these had any affect on sales).

All I know for sure is that Viz lost at least the sales from me for one copy of each of these 15 volumes. And judging from the coments hereand at my local store, many others.

[akcoll99]

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Jim Lazar said:
A quick flip through my Japanese volume showed the joke stars on page 91 in the orignal.

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Oh yeah. I forgot about that. Quake con and Otakon back to back. I'm only just now recovering. /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif

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The only other nipples I saw on the quick flip through was on page 51 when the girl's top comes off when swimming.

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Pretty sure there was something added there to cover her up on my quick flip through.

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I flipped through a copy at my local anime shop, and I forgot to check about the stars, but I did check the scene where the girl's top comes off, and sure enough, the nipples are gone. IIRC, there's some sort of bubbles or water splashes covering them up, or they might have just removed them. But either way, there's no change in the usual nipples-are-evil attitude taken by Viz editorial... /images/graemlins/anger100.gif

[akcoll99]

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flchick said:
I have looked through the book and being a girl found it very sexually explicit in regards in panty shots and other stuff. If a book store manger actually looked through it I don't think it would last long on the shelf in the current location.

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I still find Viz's thinking behind this release odd, as the title is still fairly sexual in nature, but that's apparently okay as long as there are no nipples. I showed a copy of volume 1 to the owner of my comic shop and his eyes just bugged out when he saw the starred nipples, followed two pages later by panty shots and a camel toe shot.
Just like I never understood the preview of I's, a SJ Advance title "for older teens", in the pages of a younger-oriented Shonen Jump, where they had to edit it even further and then say, "here kids, go buy this..."
Neeless to say, I join Jim Lazar in my boycotting of the book. It may not make a huge dent in things, but at least I'm doing my part...

[Ruroni]

If only they were consistent about it. I"s is clearly sexual driven.

They should license things for the genre's they intend to sell to. And nipples are hardly something I think an older teen will be offended by.

[darkhunter]

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I was just pointing out that anyone who would get upset about the nipples being there are just as likely to be upset about all the other sexualy suggestive portions of this title. And, thus, the stars are pointless.


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Just to be fair, someone else can point out that whining about the nipple not being there for them to gush over, might be consider "Horny oversexed maniac/child pedophilia" ....so it's like damn if you don't want nipple and damn if you want them.

While I'm not fond of censoreship (definitely unnecessary), Viz definitely think it's appropiate for them to sell more copies. So unless I's is doing poorly, I don't see Viz changing it anytime soon.

[JeffDM]

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Jim Lazar said:

I was just pointing out that anyone who would get upset about the nipples being there are just as likely to be upset about all the other sexualy suggestive portions of this title. And, thus, the stars are pointless.


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Just to be fair, someone else can point out that whining about the nipple not being there for them to gush over, might be consider "Horny oversexed maniac/child pedophilia" ....so it's like damn if you don't want nipple and damn if you want them.

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But still, I agree with Jim Lazar, I don't think the stars do jack to make it "better" to the people that would object to sexually suggestive media. I"s has a whole lot of suggestive stuff that has nothing to do with nipples, all the stars could do is remove one potential bullet point in a list of potentially objectionable items, and even then, not really.

[darkhunter]

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darkhunter said:
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Jim Lazar said:

I was just pointing out that anyone who would get upset about the nipples being there are just as likely to be upset about all the other sexualy suggestive portions of this title. And, thus, the stars are pointless.


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Just to be fair, someone else can point out that whining about the nipple not being there for them to gush over, might be consider "Horny oversexed maniac/child pedophilia" ....so it's like damn if you don't want nipple and damn if you want them.

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But still, I agree with Jim Lazar, I don't think the stars do jack to make it "better" to the people that would object to sexually suggestive media. I"s has a whole lot of suggestive stuff that has nothing to do with nipples, all the stars could do is remove one potential bullet point in a list of potentially objectionable items, and even then, not really.

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So if a shonen manga has a ton of giant hairy penis in it, and I rather not see the giant hairy penis in super detail, does that make me a prude? While I don't mind nudity and actually prefer a good amount of fanservice panties, nipple, nakedness etc in my manga, a female might feel kind of offended reading a book that has nipple and panties shot galore. But that's just them, I don't think they should be call a prude because of it, it's just something they rather not see. But then again if they don't want to see those kind of stuff, then it's better if they do not pick up the title. The shonen label definitely limits the manga.

BTW, kind of offtopic but has there been any editor's choice title that has been edit for sexual content?

[akcoll99]

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So if a shonen manga has a ton of giant hairy penis in it, and I rather not see the giant hairy penis in super detail, does that make me a prude? While I don't mind nudity and actually prefer a good amount of fanservice panties, nipple, nakedness etc in my manga, a female might feel kind of offended reading a book that has nipple and panties shot galore. But that's just them, I don't think they should be call a prude because of it, it's just something they rather not see. But then again if they don't want to see those kind of stuff, then it's better if they do not pick up the title.

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You kind of answer your own question. If a "giant hairy penis" bothers you that much, why would you continue to buy the book? My opinion on this matter (in regards to not just manga but any other kind of media) is that the work should be presented as the original author/artist intended and that you, as the reader, should decide from there whether or not you find it distasteful/objectionable, etc. If so, then it's up to you to buy it or not. I don't believe the book should be edited to suit one person (or one group of people's) taste.
As for I's, I find the lack of nipples objectionable as that was how the art was originally presented, and as such I am not buying the book. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

[JeffDM]

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You kind of answer your own question. If a "giant hairy penis" bothers you that much, why would you continue to buy the book? My opinion on this matter (in regards to not just manga but any other kind of media) is that the work should be presented as the original author/artist intended and that you, as the reader, should decide from there whether or not you find it distasteful/objectionable, etc.

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Exactly. I don't think it is the US licencee's place to censor manga. If the reader doesn't want a certain kind of title, I would much rather the reader not buy it than expect the "bad" stuff in that title removed to make them happy.

I realize that "it's just a few nipples", but the reasoning given by Viz for making the changes all strike me as being completely unnecessary for the rated age bracket, and otherwise seem to assume some form of a reality distortion field.

[hobie]

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So if a shonen manga has a ton of giant hairy penis in it, and I rather not see the giant hairy penis in super detail, does that make me a prude?

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That's like saying you really like the story in Fist of the North Star, but you'd prefer it with all the exploding bodies removed or blurred out. If so, then you go look for a different post apocalyptic story with a kidnapping and vies for power. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

The people that do want to see the giant hairy penis should have that option as the artist intended, as long as they don't show it to me when they buy it. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif The company decides to license something of that nature just needs to package it appropriately and label the contents to court and turn away the correct consumers.

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The shonen label definitely limits the manga.


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Part of the point is that it doesn't limit it in Japan, and the consumers should be able to decide what they want to see here instead of the licensor trying to guess the readers taste and editing it.

But we're /images/graemlins/horse.gif.

[Njr Scrawl]

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Jim Lazar said:

I was just pointing out that anyone who would get upset about the nipples being there are just as likely to be upset about all the other sexualy suggestive portions of this title. And, thus, the stars are pointless.


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Just to be fair, someone else can point out that whining about the nipple not being there for them to gush over, might be consider "Horny oversexed maniac/child pedophilia" ....so it's like damn if you don't want nipple and damn if you want them.

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But still, I agree with Jim Lazar, I don't think the stars do jack to make it "better" to the people that would object to sexually suggestive media. I"s has a whole lot of suggestive stuff that has nothing to do with nipples, all the stars could do is remove one potential bullet point in a list of potentially objectionable items, and even then, not really.

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It seems almost that in I"s case, Viz are censoring bare flesh, more than anatomical outline. All the underwear covered curvy bits are shown as drawn, and they are more erotic, fetishistic & voyeur food than what, after all, kids see in tabloids, on statues, in art & "mom's milk bar" when babies.

I prefer stars to bras in I"s, having to choose, because the unsubtlety indicates there is another version, if I wanted to search for it, and that the version I bought is edited. Also Viz is not altering original art, merely concealing it.

(If only the last Gen 13 story with the original characters didn't have those black bars everywhere. /images/graemlins/wink.gif I miss Fairchild /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif )

[jlazar]

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Also Viz is not altering original art, merely concealing it.

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Eh? How is putting stars over the artwork not altering the orignal art? Unless they are removable sticker stars, the artwork they cover is permanently altered in Viz's version.


While stars may not be as bad (sizewise) as adding bras, it's still unwanted, unneeded, and does nothing to increase sales to people who will find the rest of the skin shown to be objectionable anyway, nipples or not.

[Njr Scrawl]

With the stars its more obvious what an artist had drawn, than a censor artist changing an image.

For example in vol.1, you can see that the guy is looking at a girl only wearing boots, rather than a girl in underwear and boots.

So although the practice of stars is crass, in a context situation it can leave a truer indication of the original art.

[Zanza Hiro]

hey guys, quick question. sorry if its been answered, feel free to slap me if it has

looking through my first few I"s tankubons, i only am able to find a couple instances where full 'nippleage' is shown. other than putting stars over those exposed nipples, has Viz done anything else? i do not condone censoring of any kind but, if Viz has only put stars over nipples a couple times over 3 volumes, i may like to add that in when recommending people the domestic release. thx

[akcoll99]

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hey guys, quick question. sorry if its been answered, feel free to slap me if it has

looking through my first few I"s tankubons, i only am able to find a couple instances where full 'nippleage' is shown. other than putting stars over those exposed nipples, has Viz done anything else? i do not condone censoring of any kind but, if Viz has only put stars over nipples a couple times over 3 volumes, i may like to add that in when recommending people the domestic release. thx

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The stars were expanded upon by Viz from being a one-off gag image to being used to cover up a much more prominent display of nipplage in their version of volume 1. However, for all other instances of bared female nipples, Viz has either removed them or covered them up by some other means, leaving the book with no direct female nudity... /images/graemlins/sad.gif

[Zanza Hiro]

oh, okay. thx for the info

aside from nipple censoring, did Viz censor anything else ie. remove panels showing panty shots, gropes etc? or is the censoring solely restricted to the stars?

[akcoll99]

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Zanza said:
oh, okay. thx for the info

aside from nipple censoring, did Viz censor anything else ie. remove panels showing panty shots, gropes etc? or is the censoring solely restricted to the stars?

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No, that's the really weird thing about this whole deal. They took out the "offending" nipples, but left in all the gratuitous (and sometimes quite graphic) panty/underwear/cameltoe shots... /images/graemlins/stunned0.gif

[bakedleech]

I would compare this to "swimsuit" calendars and posters, which can be bought and sold almost anywhere. Even the thinnest, wettest, most translucent scrap of material in between skin and camera causes it not to be pornographic. Does it make sense? Not really. But you can buy them at places like Walmart, which refuse to carry out-right pornography even as soft-core as Playboy. Similarly in manga, even if you can see the topography there's clothing implied, which makes it less shocking I guess.

[Zanza Hiro]

that's pretty strange /images/graemlins/stunned0.gif

i haven't read my I"s takubons in a while but, with stuff like almost rapes of school age girls, i don't really understand what censoring nipples really does. i mean, with the nipples gone, does that mean 13 year olds can read about perverted voyeurs and high school boys tying up girls and almost 'doing' them?

that's really too bad to hear bout these censors, my condolences guys. /images/graemlins/depresse.gif

[pianocello]

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The stars were expanded upon by Viz from being a one-off gag image to being used to cover up a much more prominent display of nipplage in their version of volume 1. However, for all other instances of bared female nipples, Viz has either removed them or covered them up by some other means, leaving the book with no direct female nudity... /images/graemlins/sad.gif

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[Njr Scrawl]

The censoring is to protect Viz from younger buyers' parent & guardians & muck-raking journalists etc. IMO.

The label on I"s is "Older Teens", but people usually flip through books before looking at its back cover (age ratings need to go on front to be noticed). Nipples are more obvious & ring alarm bells more easily.

[GodaiStudios]

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Njr Scrawl said:
The censoring is to protect Viz from younger buyers' parent & guardians & muck-raking journalists etc. IMO.

The label on I"s is "Older Teens", but people usually flip through books before looking at its back cover (age ratings need to go on front to be noticed). Nipples are more obvious & ring alarm bells more easily.

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That's really the same thing as saying that parents would object to the nipples, but wouldn't object to the highly detailed panty shots, cameltoe, etc. I'd like to meet the parent who is offended by nipples but not offended by the other stuff. In fact, with this title, I'd say that the panty shots are FAR more obvious than nipples. Really... take a look at the content. Upon a cursory glance, there are definetly more ass and crotch shots to be found than breast shots...

[jlazar]

I was at Borders today and flipped though Viz's I''s vol 3.

They didn't even leave the stars on the fake Iori photo alone. In the orginal, the stars just cover the very tips of the nipples and you can see the areola uder the stars.

Viz made the stars bigger or erased the areolas in their censored version.

Concidering they were trying to use the stars in this one spot to justify their stars, I find that beyond pathetic.

[populuxe]

It looks like Viz believes they'll gain more sales from uninformed teenaged buyers than from the already existing fan base. I think it's a pretty big gamble, considering that I"s was one of the most eagerly awaited titles since Love Hina. I find it reprehensible when someone else decides for me what I can and can't see or read. Until Viz corrects this mistaken policy of censoring other people's art, I won't be buying I"s from them.

[ZeframMann]

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It looks like Viz believes they'll gain more sales from uninformed teenaged buyers than from the already existing fan base. I think it's a pretty big gamble, considering that I"s was one of the most eagerly awaited titles since Love Hina.

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And a short-sighted one as well, since for as long as I can remember, comic sales have been going through highs and lows. The casual readers eventually move onto other things after awhile, and the real die-hard fans are the ones left supporting the limping company. If it weren't for the die-hard manga fans supporting them years ago when the whole industry was on life-support, there would likely be no Viz today.

Gee, I wonder who they'll rely on when the next slump hits?

[monkeebiz]

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Jim Lazar said:
I was at Borders today and flipped though Viz's I''s vol 3.
They didn't even leave the stars on the fake Iori photo alone.

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Vol. 3 also has an underwater scene with some strategically placed bubbles that weren't in the original.

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The censoring is to protect Viz from younger buyers' parent & guardians & muck-raking journalists etc. IMO.

The label on I"s is "Older Teens", but people usually flip through books before looking at its back cover (age ratings need to go on front to be noticed). Nipples are more obvious & ring alarm bells more easily.

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Viz never heard of Shrink wrap? Del ray is using it for Negima!

[kimmiepooh]

That is so true! I totally agree with you on the shrink-wrapping idea Del Rey came up with for Negima. That way people don't have to worry about I"s and the other types of manga being seen by kids that would probably upset parents. I think it was a wonderful idea that Del Rey decided to shrink wrap Negima in order to keep a (somewhat) if edited version of it out there, while still not being able to be viewed by the public/younger teens so that the people who are fans like me and others who care about the manga being uncensored can get what they really want to see, while not having to worry about manga bringing the wrong type of attention to it. I think that if they want to keep manga uncensored, that's great and I'm all for it, just at least put the proper age rating on it and try to do something that will keep kids from viewing it at the same time. The reason why I didn't pick up the Tenjho Tenge manga and I"s in the first place, was because I was disappointed when I found out that they had been edited/censored. /images/graemlins/depresse.gif

[Gonfreaks]

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Wrath of the Njr said:
The censoring is to protect Viz from younger buyers' parent & guardians & muck-raking journalists etc. IMO.

The label on I"s is "Older Teens", but people usually flip through books before looking at its back cover (age ratings need to go on front to be noticed). Nipples are more obvious & ring alarm bells more easily.

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Viz never heard of Shrink wrap? Del ray is using it for Negima!

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Viz shrinkwraps their M rated titles, but, IMO, they should shrinkwrap more series if it prevents edits.

[kimmiepooh]

Yes! I totally agree with you. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

[mrgazpacho]

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Wrath of the Njr said:
I prefer stars to bras in I"s


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I do not like those stars on nips,
Not even only on the tips.
I do not like my I's with stars;
I would not like my I's with bras.
The panty shots were left alone;
They are not a no-show zone.
Why can't Viz be like Del Rey -
Then we would buy their books today!


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(apologies to the late Dr. Seuss; this one's for you, michaelwb)

[Mr. Nail Bat]

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I do not like those stars on nips,
Not even only on the tips.
I do not like my I's with stars;
I would not like my I's with bras.
The panty shots were left alone;
They are not a no-show zone.
Why can't Viz be like Del Rey -
Then we would buy their books today!


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You, sir, are the winner of the Intarweb.

[mrgazpacho]

Ah well, ya gotta laff, I s'pose...

[wabbit9]

Hi, Im a huge fan of the I"s manga, but only have access to the Shonen Jump edited version. Does anyone know where I can get the I"s manga completely unedited for content and yet still translated into English? If not would you happen to know of anywhre to get it raw?

Thanks /images/graemlins/happy.gif

[Texhnolyze]

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wabbit9 said:
Hi, Im a huge fan of the I"s manga, but only have access to the Shonen Jump edited version. Does anyone know where I can get the I"s manga completely unedited for content and yet still translated into English? If not would you happen to know of anywhre to get it raw?

Thanks /images/graemlins/happy.gif

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You're asking the wrong place for that.

You can either buy the edited US version or buy the imports.

[wabbit9]

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wabbit9 said:
Hi, Im a huge fan of the I"s manga, but only have access to the Shonen Jump edited version. Does anyone know where I can get the I"s manga completely unedited for content and yet still translated into English? If not would you happen to know of anywhre to get it raw?

Thanks /images/graemlins/happy.gif

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You're asking the wrong place for that.

You can either buy the edited US version or buy the imports.

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Do you have a website to get the imports?
and there isn't ANYTHING translated english unedited?

jeez, Im in a bad boat if thats the case.

[Mr. Nail Bat]

Original unedited Japanese version (http://www.sasugabooks.com/advanced_search_result.php?author=Katsura&title=&r title=Aizu&isbn=&sasuga_language=all&categories_id =&inc_subcat=1&manufacturers_id=&pfrom=&pto=&date= &sasuga_medium=all&x=55&y=10).

[GodaiStudios]

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wabbit9 said:
Hi, Im a huge fan of the I"s manga, but only have access to the Shonen Jump edited version. Does anyone know where I can get the I"s manga completely unedited for content and yet still translated into English? If not would you happen to know of anywhre to get it raw?

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You're asking the wrong place for that.

You can either buy the edited US version or buy the imports.

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Do you have a website to get the imports?
and there isn't ANYTHING translated english unedited?

jeez, Im in a bad boat if thats the case.

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While there are fanscans to be found out there, if you know where to look, you really should buy the originals (as I have.)

That's why I'm not getting rid of my fanscans... it's not really the same, nor is it the best, but I'll have to settle for it.

Should any Viz reps come across this post, I have only this to say:
I hope your company rots away and goes bankrupt. If you can't support your fans, why bother in the first place?

[michaelwb]

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wabbit9 said:
Hi, Im a huge fan of the I"s manga, but only have access to the Shonen Jump edited version. Does anyone know where I can get the I"s manga completely unedited for content and yet still translated into English? If not would you happen to know of anywhre to get it raw?

Thanks /images/graemlins/happy.gif

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Just a reminder- script clubs are fine for mention here, but nothing beyond that (i.e., no scanlations.)

1) Buy the originals.

2) Write a letter to Viz about the art censorship.

[akcoll99]

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wabbit9 said:
Hi, Im a huge fan of the I"s manga, but only have access to the Shonen Jump edited version. Does anyone know where I can get the I"s manga completely unedited for content and yet still translated into English? If not would you happen to know of anywhre to get it raw?

Thanks /images/graemlins/happy.gif

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You're asking the wrong place for that.

You can either buy the edited US version or buy the imports.

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Do you have a website to get the imports?
and there isn't ANYTHING translated english unedited?

jeez, Im in a bad boat if thats the case.

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JP Queen (http://www.jpqueen.com/onlineshop/SearchResult.asp?KEYWORD=shounen+manga+%2D+I&AUTHO R=&CATE=&SKIP=0&OPT=UNAV) also has most of the volumes up for sale.

[fr2]

Could someone post a scan of the censored version?