VA Draft - Round 8 [Archive]

B-Rad Lascelle

09-23-2005, 01:38 PM

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Vicious said:
Question - Whose the one from Galaxy Angels that was the quiet creepy one who always walked around with the stuffed robot? Was that Vanilla? She was played by Anna Cummer right?

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Yep and yep. <hands Vicious a Vanilla plushie>

Anna's so versatile she could tackle Rei or Asuka and do a brilliant job with either one of them.
Possibly better than any other VA.
But alas, nobody in the draft appreciates her. /images/graemlins/depresse.gif

I'd have grabbed her, but then no doubt someone would have looked at my cast list and said, "Who's she? Didn't she play that chick in Gundam SEED whose boyfriend died? Big deal!"

Anna still tops my rising star list for the year... if only due to the fact that Rachel Rivera's star can't exactly rise when she's living in a city without an active dub studio.

Vicious

09-23-2005, 01:40 PM

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B-Rad Lascelle said:
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Vicious said:
Question - Whose the one from Galaxy Angels that was the quiet creepy one who always walked around with the stuffed robot? Was that Vanilla? She was played by Anna Cummer right?

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Yep and yep. <hands Vicious a Vanilla plushie>
Anna's so versatile she could tackle Rei or Asuka and do a brilliant job with either one of them.
Possibly better than any other VA.
But alas, nobody in the draft appreciates her. /images/graemlins/depresse.gif

I'd have grabbed her, but then no doubt someone would have looked at my cast list and said, "Who's she? Didn't she play that chick in Gundam SEED whose boyfriend died? Big deal!"

She still tops my rising star list for the year... if only due to the fact that Rachel Rivera's star can't exactly rise when she's living in a city without an active dub studio.

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You couldn't do it, because you don't have the names on your team that mine does. But when you have Crispin Freeman, Hilary Haag, and all the other names that my team does, you can afford to take an Anna Cummer in round 8. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

Vicious

09-23-2005, 01:40 PM

Pic of Vanilla please.

B-Rad Lascelle

09-23-2005, 01:44 PM

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Vicious said:
You couldn't do it, because you don't have the names on your team that mine does. But when you have Crispin Freeman, Hilary Haag, and all the other names that my team does, you can afford to take an Anna Cummer in round 8. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

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I hate to say it, but I can't dispute that. You went hog wild focusing on guys in the early rounds (probably more than necessary), so you needed to focus on picking up the slack with some great versatile and overlooked female talent in the late stages. Anna was at the top of a very short list that fit that exact category. Heck, I'd love to hear a dub with both her and the equally versatile Kelli Cousins involved. In a lot of ways, that's the best VA to compare Anna's range and delivery to... she's like a young Kelli Cousins. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

BTW, knowing your humor and tastes, you would love The Daichis if you gave it a chance.

Vicious

09-23-2005, 01:52 PM

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B-Rad Lascelle said:
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Vicious said:
You couldn't do it, because you don't have the names on your team that mine does. But when you have Crispin Freeman, Hilary Haag, and all the other names that my team does, you can afford to take an Anna Cummer in round 8. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

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I hate to say it, but I can't dispute that. You went hog wild focusing on guys in the early rounds (probably more than necessary), so you needed to focus on picking up the slack with some great versatile and overlooked female talent in the late stages. Anna was at the top of a very short list that fit that exact category. Heck, I'd love to hear a dub with both her and the equally versatile Kelli Cousins involved. In a lot of ways, that's the best VA to compare Anna's range and delivery to... she's like a young Kelli Cousins. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

BTW, knowing your humor and tastes, you would love The Daichis if you gave it a chance.

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True. I did go after the big name male VA's. But you have to admit - I did have a plan. I mean my female VA's aren't too shabby - Kelli Cousins, Hilary, Barbara Goodson, and Anna Cummer. Put them along with my all star male talent of Dave Wittenberg, Crispin Freeman, Andy McAvin, and John Smallberries, and you've got a pretty good damn team if I do say so myself.

Two reasons for me going after the males.
A. I thought the male roles were more important in this series.
B. Male VA's in general are much less known than the females. i.e. there are more big name female VA's to be had than male VA's. So if I could get people like Wittenberg, Freeman, and McAvin on my team, it'd give me a leg up.

EmperorBrandon

09-23-2005, 01:57 PM

For this one, I would like a Melfina avatar. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

On to Huntressfan...

Mr. Nail Bat

09-23-2005, 08:22 PM

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bctaris said:
Consider me, uh, floored she wasn't picked up before me in this round. Has she dropped off the radar that much?

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I was surprised that she lasted until the seventh round (when I picked her up) last draft.

Oh, and I'm going to do a Radical Ed avatar for her, if you have no objection.

Huntressfan

09-23-2005, 08:48 PM

The Flame Alchemist... Roy Mustang! (http://members.cox.net/rabutin4/vadraft/mustang.jpg)

(whew, I was worried I wouldn't get him...) /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Mr. Nail Bat

09-23-2005, 08:52 PM

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Huntressfan said:
The Flame Alchemist... Roy Mustang! (http://members.cox.net/rabutin4/vadraft/mustang.jpg)

(whew, I was worried I wouldn't get him...) /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Yay, things are rolling again!

BigPants

09-23-2005, 09:04 PM

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Geoduck said:
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Huntressfan said:
The Flame Alchemist... Roy Mustang! (http://members.cox.net/rabutin4/vadraft/mustang.jpg)

(whew, I was worried I wouldn't get him...) /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Yay, things are rolling again!

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Wait, this is still going on?

/images/graemlins/wink.gif (I can't remember when I made my list pick or who. ^^; )

Mr. Nail Bat

09-23-2005, 09:08 PM

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BigPants said:
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Geoduck said:
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Huntressfan said:
The Flame Alchemist... Roy Mustang! (http://members.cox.net/rabutin4/vadraft/mustang.jpg)

(whew, I was worried I wouldn't get him...) /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Yay, things are rolling again!

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Wait, this is still going on?

/images/graemlins/wink.gif (I can't remember when I made my list pick or who. ^^; )

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Some actor playing some obscure character of which no images exist on the internet.

Vicious

09-23-2005, 09:19 PM

Well, I'm basically done for the draft. I need one more VA, but I'll get who I want. Not too worried about that. Maybe I'll use my 10th VA, maybe I won't.

All in all, I am very happy with how my draft went. I got everyone I wanted with the exception of Shelley Calene-Black. Well, anyone I 'realistically' wanted I should say. I mean, I wasn't expecting to get Luci Christian in round 3.

Geoduck - Why is the big board not updated? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

EDIT: Also, for Barbara Goodson, can I get a pic of Ryoko Balta from Tench GXP.

Mr. Nail Bat

09-23-2005, 09:21 PM

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Vicious said:
Geoduck - Why is the big board not updated? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Oh, I'll update it, all right... Where was I keeping that Menchi avatar again?

Vicious

09-23-2005, 09:23 PM

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Geoduck said:
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Vicious said:
Geoduck - Why is the big board not updated? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Oh, I'll update it, all right... Where was I keeping that Menchi avatar again?

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Did you see my edit? I want a pic of Ryoko Balta for Barbara Goodson if possible.

What was that Duck? Did I hear you saying you wanted to get disqualified from the draft? Is that what you were trying to say with the Menchi comment? /images/graemlins/devil.gif

BigPants

09-23-2005, 09:26 PM

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Geoduck said:
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BigPants said:

/images/graemlins/wink.gif (I can't remember when I made my list pick or who. ^^; )

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Some actor playing some obscure character of which no images exist on the internet.

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That sounds about right... /images/graemlins/happy.gif

bctaris

09-23-2005, 09:36 PM

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Vicious said:
Pic of Vanilla please.

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Damn you, B-Rad for telling him that was Cummer. I was possibly going to make her a sleeper tenth-rounder. Hm, well first choice for that slot is still open so far...

bctaris

09-23-2005, 09:36 PM

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Geoduck said:
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bctaris said:
Consider me, uh, floored she wasn't picked up before me in this round. Has she dropped off the radar that much?

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I was surprised that she lasted until the seventh round (when I picked her up) last draft.

Oh, and I'm going to do a Radical Ed avatar for her, if you have no objection.

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That would do nicely. Thanks!

Victor Lewandowski

09-23-2005, 09:50 PM

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Vicious said:
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B-Rad Lascelle said:
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Vicious said:
You couldn't do it, because you don't have the names on your team that mine does. But when you have Crispin Freeman, Hilary Haag, and all the other names that my team does, you can afford to take an Anna Cummer in round 8. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

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I hate to say it, but I can't dispute that. You went hog wild focusing on guys in the early rounds (probably more than necessary), so you needed to focus on picking up the slack with some great versatile and overlooked female talent in the late stages. Anna was at the top of a very short list that fit that exact category. Heck, I'd love to hear a dub with both her and the equally versatile Kelli Cousins involved. In a lot of ways, that's the best VA to compare Anna's range and delivery to... she's like a young Kelli Cousins. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

BTW, knowing your humor and tastes, you would love The Daichis if you gave it a chance.

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True. I did go after the big name male VA's. But you have to admit - I did have a plan. I mean my female VA's aren't too shabby - Kelli Cousins, Hilary, Barbara Goodson, and Anna Cummer. Put them along with my all star male talent of Dave Wittenberg, Crispin Freeman, Andy McAvin, and John Smallberries, and you've got a pretty good damn team if I do say so myself.

Two reasons for me going after the males.
A. I thought the male roles were more important in this series.
B. Male VA's in general are much less known than the females. i.e. there are more big name female VA's to be had than male VA's. So if I could get people like Wittenberg, Freeman, and McAvin on my team, it'd give me a leg up.

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And with your team, I see no less than two possible Shinjis.

Huntressfan

09-23-2005, 09:52 PM

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bctaris said:
Consider me, uh, floored she wasn't picked up before me in this round. Has she dropped off the radar that much?

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I was wondering about that too. I was thinking of picking her up if she was still overlooked by round 9... /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif

Huntressfan

09-23-2005, 10:00 PM

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Geoduck said:
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Huntressfan said:
The Flame Alchemist... Roy Mustang! (http://members.cox.net/rabutin4/vadraft/mustang.jpg)

(whew, I was worried I wouldn't get him...) /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Yay, things are rolling again!

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Hehe, I was hoping that I would be able to place my pick last night(or early this morning) since I knew that I wouldn't have access to the computer till this evening. Unfortunately it didn't work out as I had hoped... /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

Mr. Nail Bat

09-23-2005, 10:25 PM

Since I am unlikely to see any more picks in my remaining net time tonight, Big Board updated (http://home.comcast.net/~abersold/Draft.htm).

Bitterman

09-23-2005, 11:00 PM

Tut mir leid.

PsychoRabbit is on the clock.

PsychoRabbitt

09-23-2005, 11:19 PM

And the Duck is on the clock.

Victor Lewandowski

09-23-2005, 11:25 PM

Probably going for a Fuyutsuki with this pick (since he can't be used for Gendo). /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Mr. Nail Bat

09-23-2005, 11:33 PM

Kyo Sohma, Akito Hayama, and Jimmy Kudo.

B-Rad, you are go.

Victor Lewandowski

09-23-2005, 11:37 PM

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Geoduck said:
Kyo Sohma, Akito Hayama, and Jimmy Kudo.

B-Rad, you are go.

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I had him pegged for one of my option characters (Touji Suzuhara). I can't see him as one of the mandatory guys we need to cast (maybe Kaji, but that's even a stretch).

populuxe

09-24-2005, 12:48 AM

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Vicious said:
B. Male VA's in general are much less known than the females. i.e. there are more big name female VA's to be had than male VA's. So if I could get people like Wittenberg, Freeman, and McAvin on my team, it'd give me a leg up.

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I think this is an excellent point. It's probably why Vicious's game plan has been going so well. And the fact that someone as good as Melissa Fahn lasted to the 8th round shows the proof of his reasoning. I can still name 30 excellent female VAs that haven't been taken yet. It's better to get the male VAs first, since there are simply fewer of them. In fact, I predict that the people who concentrated on picking up good female talent first are going to have a hard time finding good and popular male talent from this point on.

populuxe

09-24-2005, 01:05 AM

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PsychoRabbitt said:
And the Duck is on the clock.

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So you've taken Heero Yui from Gundam Wing. Now that I've seen your pick, aren't I supposed to be killed?

Victor Lewandowski

09-24-2005, 01:06 AM

bctaris

09-24-2005, 01:13 AM

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Mike Dungan said:
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Vicious said:
B. Male VA's in general are much less known than the females. i.e. there are more big name female VA's to be had than male VA's. So if I could get people like Wittenberg, Freeman, and McAvin on my team, it'd give me a leg up.

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I think this is an excellent point. It's probably why Vicious's game plan has been going so well. And the fact that someone as good as Melissa Fahn lasted to the 8th round shows the proof of his reasoning. I can still name 30 excellent female VAs that haven't been taken yet. It's better to get the male VAs first, since there are simply fewer of them.

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There are generally fewer of them traditionally, but I'm not sure I entirely agree on strategy. I can list off a good half dozen available Kajis and almost twice as many Fuyutsukis. The pool for the old man especially has hardly been scratched. The way the trend was going in the middle rounds I made the assumption--and it's paid off--that I didn't have to worry about casting Fuyutsuki until the last two rounds. I've narrowed it down to four right now and I expect to have at least three of them available come my next pick.

Now, saying that, Gendo and Shinji were important, but I think only Shinji was critical, but I grabbed both relatively early. (Even then, there are still a couple actresses that can play Shinji very well out there so talk of male actors for him isn't tantamount...)

But here’s my basic strategy: I think based on NGE’s traditional popularity and the largely male population of the ET who will potentially vote that the three most important casting decisions are Shinji, Asuka and Misato. Gendo, Kaji and even Rei’s picks might get a favorable nod, but not the same exhalation as the other three. Fuyutsuki hardly matters, and Pen Pen might generate some discussion for creativity if it’s employed. The last pick for most will be a wash. (I broke this strategy myself a little and almost stumbled by casting Asuka late but I lucked out, I hope.)

B-Rad Lascelle

09-24-2005, 01:14 AM

Oh no! There are no more male VAs! Whatever shall I do?
Try THIS on for size!

Here's a little known fact about Keel Lorentz's seiyuu, Mugihito Amachi... in addition to voicework in anime, he's the Japanese dub voice for none other than Jean-Luc Picard in Star Trek: The Next Generation.

As such, it only seems fitting to draft Patrick Stewart to dub Mugihito's dastardly Keel. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

bctaris

09-24-2005, 01:19 AM

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B-Rad Lascelle said:
Oh no! There are no more male VAs! Whatever shall I do?
Try THIS on for size!

Here's a little known fact about Keel Lorentz's seiyuu, Mugihito Amachi... in addition to voicework in anime, he's the Japanese dub voice for none other than Jean-Luc Picard in Star Trek: The Next Generation.

As such, it only seems fitting to draft Patrick Stewart to dub Mugihito's dastardly Keel. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

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Nice. He could have been an awesome Gendo too, you know--but then it's too bad Jonathan Frakes hasn't done anime and subsequently been cast for Fuyutsuki. I would have loved that dynamic. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

B-Rad Lascelle

09-24-2005, 01:22 AM

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bctaris said:
Nice. He could have been an awesome Gendo too, you know--but then it's too bad Jonathan Frakes hasn't done anime and subsequently been cast for Fuyutsuki. I would have loved that dynamic. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Yeah, I guess Gargoyles doesn't count... which is kind of a shame 'cause Jonathan's Xanatos was one sweet performance. In fact, there aren't too many super-smooth performances like that in anime... with the notable exception of Vic Mignogna's Carrossea Doon in Madlax. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Dylonius Funk

09-24-2005, 01:23 AM

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bctaris said:
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B-Rad Lascelle said:
Oh no! There are no more male VAs! Whatever shall I do?
Try THIS on for size!

Here's a little known fact about Keel Lorentz's seiyuu, Mugihito Amachi... in addition to voicework in anime, he's the Japanese dub voice for none other than Jean-Luc Picard in Star Trek: The Next Generation.

As such, it only seems fitting to draft Patrick Stewart to dub Mugihito's dastardly Keel. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

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Nice. He could have been an awesome Gendo too, you know--but then it's too bad Jonathan Frakes hasn't done anime and subsequently been cast for Fuyutsuki. I would have loved that dynamic. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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I am never going to look at NGE the same way ever again /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif
"Sir, the Angel is inside Tokyo 3 and all Evas are standing by to launch"
"*tugs top of unform down a bit* Make it so, Mr Fuyutsuki"

Victor Lewandowski

09-24-2005, 01:24 AM

He certainly would make a perfect Keel, or Gendo, or Fuyutsuki. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Ahh... Imagine NERV ran by one of the greatest leaders of Starfleet of all time. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

PsychoRabbitt

09-24-2005, 01:53 AM

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B-Rad Lascelle said:
Oh no! There are no more male VAs! Whatever shall I do?
Try THIS on for size!

Here's a little known fact about Keel Lorentz's seiyuu, Mugihito Amachi... in addition to voicework in anime, he's the Japanese dub voice for none other than Jean-Luc Picard in Star Trek: The Next Generation.

As such, it only seems fitting to draft Patrick Stewart to dub Mugihito's dastardly Keel. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

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Does this loophole mean I can draft Jonathan Frakes as Kaji? /images/graemlins/devil.gif

PsychoRabbitt

09-24-2005, 01:54 AM

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bctaris said:
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B-Rad Lascelle said:
Oh no! There are no more male VAs! Whatever shall I do?
Try THIS on for size!

Here's a little known fact about Keel Lorentz's seiyuu, Mugihito Amachi... in addition to voicework in anime, he's the Japanese dub voice for none other than Jean-Luc Picard in Star Trek: The Next Generation.

As such, it only seems fitting to draft Patrick Stewart to dub Mugihito's dastardly Keel. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

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Nice. He could have been an awesome Gendo too, you know--but then it's too bad Jonathan Frakes hasn't done anime and subsequently been cast for Fuyutsuki. I would have loved that dynamic. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Well, he WAS in Gargoyles (as were fellow TNG cast members Marina Sirtis, Michael Dorn, and Brent Spiner), which is pretty much as close as any American cartoon has come to anime. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

populuxe

09-24-2005, 01:54 AM

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PsychoRabbitt said:
[ QUOTE ]
B-Rad Lascelle said:
Oh no! There are no more male VAs! Whatever shall I do?
Try THIS on for size!

Here's a little known fact about Keel Lorentz's seiyuu, Mugihito Amachi... in addition to voicework in anime, he's the Japanese dub voice for none other than Jean-Luc Picard in Star Trek: The Next Generation.

As such, it only seems fitting to draft Patrick Stewart to dub Mugihito's dastardly Keel. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

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Does this loophole mean I can draft Jonathan Frakes as Kaji? /images/graemlins/devil.gif

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No.

PsychoRabbitt

09-24-2005, 01:56 AM

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Mike Dungan said:
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PsychoRabbitt said:
And the Duck is on the clock.

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So you've taken Heero Yui from Gundam Wing. Now that I've seen your pick, aren't I supposed to be killed?

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Only if you're a whiny princess. /images/graemlins/devil.gif

PsychoRabbitt

09-24-2005, 02:00 AM

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Mike Dungan said:
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PsychoRabbitt said:
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B-Rad Lascelle said:
Oh no! There are no more male VAs! Whatever shall I do?
Try THIS on for size!

Here's a little known fact about Keel Lorentz's seiyuu, Mugihito Amachi... in addition to voicework in anime, he's the Japanese dub voice for none other than Jean-Luc Picard in Star Trek: The Next Generation.

As such, it only seems fitting to draft Patrick Stewart to dub Mugihito's dastardly Keel. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

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Does this loophole mean I can draft Jonathan Frakes as Kaji? /images/graemlins/devil.gif

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No.

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Like I was being serious.

PsychoRabbitt

09-24-2005, 02:01 AM

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Victor Lewandowski said:
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Mike Dungan said:
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Vicious said:
B. Male VA's in general are much less known than the females. i.e. there are more big name female VA's to be had than male VA's. So if I could get people like Wittenberg, Freeman, and McAvin on my team, it'd give me a leg up.

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I think this is an excellent point. It's probably why Vicious's game plan has been going so well. And the fact that someone as good as Melissa Fahn lasted to the 8th round shows the proof of his reasoning. I can still name 30 excellent female VAs that haven't been taken yet. It's better to get the male VAs first, since there are simply fewer of them. In fact, I predict that the people who concentrated on picking up good female talent first are going to have a hard time finding good and popular male talent from this point on.

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Especially considering many teams have five female VA's drafted so far. Wabbit is the only one with five male VA's and a lot of people, including myself, have a pretty even balance of male/female VA's. I see a couple of people coming up who are going to be needing male VA's in a hurry. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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And people were questioning my strategy. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

populuxe

09-24-2005, 02:08 AM

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PsychoRabbitt said:
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Mike Dungan said:
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PsychoRabbitt said:
And the Duck is on the clock.

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So you've taken Heero Yui from Gundam Wing. Now that I've seen your pick, aren't I supposed to be killed?

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Only if you're a whiny princess. /images/graemlins/devil.gif

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Some people say I am. And then I punch them.

bctaris

09-24-2005, 03:11 AM

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PsychoRabbitt said:
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bctaris said:
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B-Rad Lascelle said:
Oh no! There are no more male VAs! Whatever shall I do?
Try THIS on for size!

Here's a little known fact about Keel Lorentz's seiyuu, Mugihito Amachi... in addition to voicework in anime, he's the Japanese dub voice for none other than Jean-Luc Picard in Star Trek: The Next Generation.

As such, it only seems fitting to draft Patrick Stewart to dub Mugihito's dastardly Keel. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Nice. He could have been an awesome Gendo too, you know--but then it's too bad Jonathan Frakes hasn't done anime and subsequently been cast for Fuyutsuki. I would have loved that dynamic. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Well, he WAS in Gargoyles (as were fellow TNG cast members Marina Sirtis, Michael Dorn, and Brent Spiner), which is pretty much as close as any American cartoon has come to anime. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Even more considering Gargoyles director Greg Weisman was sort of a cameo director on one of New Generation Pictures early projects for Geneon, 3X3 Eyes. Though Weisman brought in some of his usual actors, like Ed Asner and Keith David, Frakes unfortuntely was not among them.

populuxe

09-24-2005, 03:18 AM

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PsychoRabbitt said:
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Mike Dungan said:
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PsychoRabbitt said:
Does this loophole mean I can draft Jonathan Frakes as Kaji? /images/graemlins/devil.gif

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No.

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Like I was being serious.

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And I was just answering the question.

Vicious

09-24-2005, 10:10 AM

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B-Rad Lascelle said:
Oh no! There are no more male VAs! Whatever shall I do?
Try THIS on for size!

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This is the exact reason I've never been big on this 'loophole'. It's kind of a cheap way to fill holes in your lineup.

"Hey, I'll just ignore certain roles because I know I can get a Patrick Stewart or Phil Hartman later."

If I was voting, I would certainly downgrade anyone's cast that is casting actors that made 1 or 2 appearances in a Ghibli dub. The only reason this pick has any name recognition is because he is Patrick Stewart.

I am SERIOUSLY thinking not allowing Disney/Ghibli VA's for the next draft. I despise this loophole.

Yukichan105

09-24-2005, 11:15 AM

Sorry for the wait... /images/graemlins/stunned0.gif

I have like the hangover of doom so it took me a while to get motivated and triple check to make sure this pick was alright.

Anyways....next up, Murasame

porkchopexpress

09-24-2005, 11:54 AM

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I am SERIOUSLY thinking not allowing Disney/Ghibli VA's for the next draft. I despise this loophole.

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You go Vicious! Not a fan of said loophole either.

maxanime

09-24-2005, 12:01 PM

Colm Meaney and LaVarr Burton also had episode appearances

B-Rad Lascelle

09-24-2005, 12:27 PM

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Vicious said:
If I was voting, I would certainly downgrade anyone's cast that is casting actors that made 1 or 2 appearances in a Ghibli dub. The only reason this pick has any name recognition is because he is Patrick Stewart.

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Hello... guy who makes the rules... yes, that's you... how exactly is this bad strategy? And why do I get lambasted for it after Ben took Tim Curry back in Round 6 without so much as a peep? Hmmm...

It's not a loophole at all. It's a point blank rule allowance that people have brought up and been willing to discuss several times since the draft kicked off. Don't think for a second that this is a gimmick pick or that I'd be hard-pressed to think of names because I've got tons floating around in my head still.

Patrick gets drafted 'cause he's a great talent with a distinctive voice who'd be a great fit for a character. You could also draft Claudia Black if you like... Foster brought her in for some episodes of Steel Angel Kurumi and she's famous. Should we disallow people from Hilary dubs now? Or how about Rachel Rivera? She's had the same number of leading roles as Patrick. Should that make her any more legitimate?

Lots of talented VAs get ignored early on because people think they can get drafted later. That's the whole point of the draft. That's why people can wait until an 8th round to draft John Swasey, most of Vancouver, William Frederick, Christian Bale or whomever they like. It's called risk strategy. The draft wouldn't be the draft without it.

C'mon now. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

bctaris

09-24-2005, 12:39 PM

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B-Rad Lascelle said:
C'mon now. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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And isn't Stewart for your 10 slot anyway? No big deal. Celebrity picks may make up 1% of the overall draft, and if some believe like you Vicious that it hurts them in voting, well, that's their risk to take.

I don't see any harm in it myself. And some are possibly more "legitimate" than others. Tara Strong for instance, while playing bit part in Animatrix shorts and Princess Mononoke, also played a lead in Tekkaman Blade II. She's with a number of "mainstream" VAs who have done work with Sky Quest studio for Urban Vision works, mostly. Keith David too, while also in a Ghibli dub is also in an NGP dub. I mean, where exactly are we going to draw the line? And who wants to decide who's in or not? Doesn’t seem worth it to me to start getting so arbitrary.

(But when someone drafts Keanu Reeves for his dub work in the Animatrix then we'll have to think about it. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif)

EmperorBrandon

09-24-2005, 12:41 PM

I agree with B-Rad. As long as they have been in an anime dub, I don't see what the problem is...

christianlf

09-24-2005, 12:43 PM

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Vicious said:
I am SERIOUSLY thinking not allowing Disney/Ghibli VA's for the next draft. I despise this loophole.

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Patrick Stewart was also in Steamboy, so you better disallow Columbia/Tri-star, too. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

disclaimer: I don't actually care about the draft. I'm just pointing that out.

B-Rad Lascelle

09-24-2005, 12:57 PM

Just to touch on what Vicious said, I actually think somebody would be punished if they elected to comprise their entire 10-person cast (or their core of lead roles) with mainstream celebs... even ones with cool voices like Minnie Driver or David Ogden Stiers. It would be kinda cool to see if someone could pull off a decent cast with that approach... but it would be undeniably risky.

Not to mention you could make a solid argument that the 'mainstream VAs' would be on the fringe with the AOD voting pool 'cause, in reality, our A-List Texas and California voice talent ARE the mainstream for this kind of crowd. It's a risk picking a big name if people haven't heard them in a dub or don't know what they sound like. Some folks may not have any idea whether Tim Curry is a good fit for Gendo or not. Or have any idea what he sounds like.

Patrick's one of the few mainstream acting talents who just happens to have a well-established and well-known voice in anime circles thanks to the sci-fi overlap. And unlike Eva Christensen and R. Bruce Elliott, I don't have to worry about people here wondering what he sounds like.

The optional supporting characters let people have fun and get creative for the final rounds in the draft, so I'm looking forward to seeing some of the imaginative picks people come up with.

Finally, Tara Strong kicks ass. If memory serves, even Vicious loves her Bubbles voice. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Mr. Nail Bat

09-24-2005, 01:07 PM

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Finally, Tara Strong kicks ass. If memory serves, even Vicious loves her Bubbles voice. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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It's haaaardcooooore.

Vicious

09-24-2005, 01:49 PM

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chmblspuzz said:
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Vicious said:
I am SERIOUSLY thinking not allowing Disney/Ghibli VA's for the next draft. I despise this loophole.

[/ QUOTE ]

Patrick Stewart was also in Steamboy, so you better disallow Columbia/Tri-star, too. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

disclaimer: I don't actually care about the draft. I'm just pointing that out.

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Which is the reason it's still being allowed. I haven't figured out a good way to disallow 'hollywood actors' from being drafted. But once I figure out a way to word it properly so there can be no 'gray area', you can be assured that they will be gone.

Here's the thing B-rad, Tim Curry was taken in round 6 when there are really good VA's available, which is why I didn't say anything. The way you worded your post made it pretty apparent that this was your plan all along. To ignore male VA's because you knew big hollywood names would be available in the end. Go back and reread your post. It's almost as if you're mocking everyone whose saying male talent is starting to run thin. It is allowable by the current rules, so it is a good strategy on your part.

By the way, I'm moving today and tomm. So if I'm slow on responses, you'll know why.

EmperorBrandon

09-24-2005, 02:10 PM

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Vicious said:

Here's the thing B-rad, Tim Curry was taken in round 6 when there are really good VA's available, which is why I didn't say anything. The way you worded your post made it pretty apparent that this was your plan all along. To ignore male VA's because you knew big hollywood names would be available in the end. Go back and reread your post. It's almost as if you're mocking everyone whose saying male talent is starting to run thin.

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It doesn't seem like he's mocking anyone with his post. /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif Anyone could have taken Patrick Stewart earlier if they wanted.

Victor Lewandowski

09-24-2005, 02:29 PM

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Yukichan105 said:
Sorry for the wait... /images/graemlins/stunned0.gif

I have like the hangover of doom so it took me a while to get motivated and triple check to make sure this pick was alright.

Anyways....next up, Murasame

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Krillin, Maes Hughes, and Funi's Lupin. I wonder who he will be cast as? /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Mr. Nail Bat

09-24-2005, 02:59 PM

Fun facts while we wait...

Of the seven repeating players (Vicious, Geoduck, Bitterman, porkchopexpress, Ben Phillips, Murasame, and Nabeshinji), only three of them have so far repeated picks from the first draft.

Those picks are: Bitterman, Mike McFarland...
Murasame, Julie Ann Taylor...
and, of course, Vicious, Hilary Haag.

So far, four players in the first draft have had eight of their picks picked in the second draft so far (Those four are juliant59, Ben Phillips, Nabeshiji, and Nosredna). All but three players have had at least five of their first-draft choices picked in the second draft. The three with less than that are Michaelwb and RommieSG (4 each) and Yeomanbobs, with only two picked. I guess Yeomanbobs's strategy of picking a nearly all-male team isn't quite so popular for this draft.

Murasame

09-24-2005, 03:02 PM

He's Takeshi Sendo.... nuff said.

Mr. Nail Bat

09-24-2005, 03:16 PM

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Murasame said:
He's Takeshi Sendo.... nuff said.

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Who is Takeshi Sendo?

B-Rad Lascelle

09-24-2005, 03:17 PM

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Geoduck said:
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Murasame said:
He's Takeshi Sendo.... nuff said.

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Who is Takeshi Sendo?

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More people need to watch Fighting Spirit. /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

hijacka22

09-24-2005, 03:19 PM

Since I took Jessica Calvello last time, it's only fitting that I take her excel-lent counterpart now. And I just had to select a VA from the wonderful Dai-Guard dub.

I'm confident that there are plenty of strong male voices available. Heck, there's a hall-of-fame pitcher still on the board. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Pants. Up. Yay.

BigPants

09-24-2005, 03:39 PM

The MAN... and I'm not talking about Eugene Levy.

Ben Phillips

09-24-2005, 03:43 PM

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BigPants said:
The MAN... and I'm not talking about Eugene Levy.

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That's only cause Levy has never done an anime dub.

BigPants

09-24-2005, 03:49 PM

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BigPants said:
The MAN... and I'm not talking about Eugene Levy.

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That's only cause Levy has never done an anime dub.

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Why do you have to ruin everything? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

porkchopexpress

09-24-2005, 04:16 PM

Study, study, study, study, STUDDDDDDDDYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!! /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Ben Phillips

09-24-2005, 04:25 PM

Wish I could find a picture of that creepy old man from Paranoia Agent.

Nosredna

09-24-2005, 05:03 PM

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Vicious said:
I am SERIOUSLY thinking not allowing Disney/Ghibli VA's for the next draft. I despise this loophole.

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Wasn't Mark Hamill taken last draft? I don't remember you having any sort of problem when he was taken last time. Aren't the majority of his anime dub roles from Disney/Ghibli's films? And ruling out VAs from Disney/Ghibli dubs seems petty. Just because you can't draft James Earl Jones, who hasn't been in an anime dub (as far as I know), doesn't mean you should rule out VAs from actual anime dubs. I'm very interested in seeing where B-rad casts Patrick. It could put him past a few people to get my vote.

The Pirate Queen

09-24-2005, 06:52 PM

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Nabeshinji said:
Since I took Jessica Calvello last time, it's only fitting that I take her excel-lent counterpart now. And I just had to select a VA from the wonderful Dai-Guard dub.

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She's adorably wonderful in Wedding Peach as well.

christianlf

09-24-2005, 07:48 PM

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Geoduck said:
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Murasame said:
He's Takeshi Sendo.... nuff said.

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Who is Takeshi Sendo?

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I'm getting the distinct impression you're in for a long lecture (brainwashing session) from Jarred the next time you crazy Seattle guys meet up.

Just counter with Sugar...that'll shut him up /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Huntressfan

09-24-2005, 08:33 PM

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B-Rad Lascelle said:
Just to touch on what Vicious said, I actually think somebody would be punished if they elected to comprise their entire 10-person cast (or their core of lead roles) with mainstream celebs... even ones with cool voices like Minnie Driver or David Ogden Stiers. It would be kinda cool to see if someone could pull off a decent cast with that approach... but it would be undeniably risky.

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Hehe, I made a joke about doing that during Voxbox!

No wonder you guys(BenP and B-Rad)were smiling/laughing when I mentioned that I purposely didn't want to look at Disney/Hollywood VAs for my draft! You guys already had that as part of your strategies! /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif /images/graemlins/cool.gif

Anyway, it was up to the participant whether or not he wanted to use mainstream celebs for their cast. While I entertained the idea of getting a mainstream celeb for my cast, it was mostly for a joke. I wanted to check whether Paul Williams or Danny DeVito did any anime roles(both played The Penguin-- animated series and movie, respectively), because I wanted to cast them as Pen Pen! /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

The reason I purposely didn't want to look at mainstream celebs as draft picks was because of name association. For example, when I see/hear the name Mark Hamill, the first thing I think of is Luke Skywalker, and not Muska of Castle in the Sky.

On one hand, strategy-wise, it can be advantageous since the name association will make other people look at the actor's other body of work outside of anime, and there's a greater chance that people will recognize their work. On the other hand, for a VA Draft that will primarily have anime VAs, if the actor is more well-known for a role outside of anime, it just didn't feel right to me to get them for my team. /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

In the end, each of the participants here are playing the game in the most fun way they can. For me, it was much more fun making the VA Draft a little more difficult by not having any VA do double duty, nor looking at mainstream celebs for my cast. But for others, doing those are what will make the draft more fun for them, since it can lead to creative casting choices!

(Though in the name of fun, I am curious to see people's reaction/non-reaction to my 10th round pick, somewhere along the lines of "WHO?!? Why the heck was he chosen for Gendo?!?" /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif )

populuxe

09-24-2005, 10:12 PM

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chmblspuzz said:
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Geoduck said:
[ QUOTE ]
Murasame said:
He's Takeshi Sendo.... nuff said.

[/ QUOTE ]

Who is Takeshi Sendo?

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I'm getting the distinct impression you're in for a long lecture (brainwashing session) from Jarred the next time you crazy Seattle guys meet up.

Just counter with Sugar...that'll shut him up /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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That's my plan.

Jarred: "Fighting Spirit!"
Me: "Waffo!"
Jarred: "Fighting Spirit!"
Me: "Waffo!"
Jarred: "Fighting Spirit!"
Me: "Waffo!"
Jarred: "Fighting Spirit!"
Me: "Waffo!"
Jarred: "Fighting Spirit!"
Me: "Waffo!"
etc until we both pass out drunk.

populuxe

09-24-2005, 10:22 PM

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Vicious said:
Which is the reason it's still being allowed. I haven't figured out a good way to disallow 'hollywood actors' from being drafted. But once I figure out a way to word it properly so there can be no 'gray area', you can be assured that they will be gone.

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My thoughts are, it's all a part of the strategy. Some people will think "Hollywood actors? That's cheap." and they'll lower their opinion of that person's draft. Someone else might say, "You know, Patrick Stewart will rock as Pen Pen" or whoever they cast him as. I think you should probably let this one be.

populuxe

09-24-2005, 10:24 PM

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EmperorBrandon said:
It doesn't seem like he's mocking anyone with his post. /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

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He was. Me. I had just made a big long post about how I thought people who had concentrated on female talent first would be having a tough time casting male talent in the later rounds. That's why that comment was directed squarely at me.

Narob

09-25-2005, 12:11 AM

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porkchopexpress said:
Study, study, study, study, STUDDDDDDDDYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!! /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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And with that, Narob's favorite pick of Round 8! Very educational!

Vicious

09-25-2005, 07:55 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Nosredna said:
[ QUOTE ]
Vicious said:
I am SERIOUSLY thinking not allowing Disney/Ghibli VA's for the next draft. I despise this loophole.

[/ QUOTE ]

Wasn't Mark Hamill taken last draft? I don't remember you having any sort of problem when he was taken last time. Aren't the majority of his anime dub roles from Disney/Ghibli's films? And ruling out VAs from Disney/Ghibli dubs seems petty. Just because you can't draft James Earl Jones, who hasn't been in an anime dub (as far as I know), doesn't mean you should rule out VAs from actual anime dubs. I'm very interested in seeing where B-rad casts Patrick. It could put him past a few people to get my vote.

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I wasn't thrilled with it last time. Like HFan said, it's the whole 'name association' thing that goes along with hollywod actors which gives them an unfair advantage IMO.

Bitterman

09-25-2005, 08:02 PM

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Vicious said:
I wasn't thrilled with it last time. Like HFan said, it's the whole 'name association' thing that goes along with hollywod actors which gives them an unfair advantage IMO.

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I don't think name recognition is, in and of itself, a reason to disqualify these actors. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that Monica Rial, Carrie Savage, Crispin Freeman, or Chris Patton carry as much name recognition.

PsychoRabbitt

09-25-2005, 08:09 PM

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Bitterman said:
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Vicious said:
I wasn't thrilled with it last time. Like HFan said, it's the whole 'name association' thing that goes along with hollywod actors which gives them an unfair advantage IMO.

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I don't think name recognition is, in and of itself, a reason to disqualify these actors. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that Monica Rial, Carrie Savage, Crispin Freeman, or Chris Patton carry as much name recognition.

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Around here they do.

Hell, when I first saw Patrick Stewart drafted, my thought was, "There's a VA with the same name as the guy who played Captain Picard?" /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

Of course, I don't know that many VAs by name, just by voice. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

Vicious

09-25-2005, 08:17 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Bitterman said:
[ QUOTE ]
Vicious said:
I wasn't thrilled with it last time. Like HFan said, it's the whole 'name association' thing that goes along with hollywod actors which gives them an unfair advantage IMO.

[/ QUOTE ]
I don't think name recognition is, in and of itself, a reason to disqualify these actors. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that Monica Rial, Carrie Savage, Crispin Freeman, or Chris Patton carry as much name recognition.

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It's the wrong type of name recognition that bothers me. People know Monica and Patton for their VA work, whereas someone might associate Minnie Driver or Patrick Stewart with tehir movie roles more than they do with their VA work. That's the only part that really bothers me.

Don't worry, I'm not hapy with it, but I'm not gonna do anything about it. Unless someone drafts an all hollywood team and wins with it. Then we'll be changing some rules.