Legal Drug any news???

[kaname2112]

Is there any rumour, bad press or inuendo about vol 4 of Legal Drug? I realize the original version had 3 volumes but the english version is supposed to have 4.

Any news on the 4th?

[DazzleKitty]

I heard it's on hiatus in Japan because CLAMP and the publishers had some disagreements. So, who knows when they will continue it. Could be months, years, or never. /images/graemlins/sad.gif So volume three is as far as it got. I heard there were around 15-20 volumes planned.

Sorry I can't be of more help.

[O-chan]

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DazzleKitty said:
I heard it's on hiatus in Japan because CLAMP and the publishers had some disagreements. So, who knows when they will continue it. Could be months, years, or never. /images/graemlins/sad.gif So volume three is as far as it got. I heard there were around 15-20 volumes planned.

Sorry I can't be of more help.

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Another discontinued CLAMP series?!

O-chan

[ayumu]

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O-chan said:
Another discontinued CLAMP series?!

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Both X and Legal Drug are/were published by Kadokawa, so both discontinuations were for the same reason.

[littleharlock]

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O-chan said:
Another discontinued CLAMP series?!

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Both X and Legal Drug are/were published by Kadokawa, so both discontinuations were for the same reason.

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Same with CLOVER which ran in Amie (also Kadokawa and also listed as "not finished" work by CLAMP)...and despite the mangabon not existing anymore I doubt that´s the reason for CLAMP not continue the series ^_~

Edit: Forgot to mention, that I somehow doubt they really have disagreements with Kadokawa. After all Kadokawa will release both X artbooks in November /images/graemlins/stunned0.gif

so far
yours
littleharlock

[ayumu]

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Same with CLOVER which ran in Amie (also Kadokawa and also listed as "not finished" work by CLAMP)...

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Er, Amie is Kodansha, isn't it?

[littleharlock]

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littleharlock said:
Same with CLOVER which ran in Amie (also Kadokawa and also listed as "not finished" work by CLAMP)...

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Er, Amie is Kodansha, isn't it?

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So true. *Gomen* my bad memory is striking again. Amie was Kodansha.
I wonder if we´re ever going to see them continue with Clover. Anyway CLAMP are not the only manga-ka that randomly create series that are left unfinished or with open endings (and as Matsumoto fan I should be used to that /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif )

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yours
littleharlock

[The Pirate Queen]

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kaname2112 said:
Is there any rumour, bad press or inuendo about vol 4 of Legal Drug? I realize the original version had 3 volumes but the english version is supposed to have 4.

Any news on the 4th?

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All of Legal Drug that was published in book form in Japan has been published in book form in the US - that's it, until CLAMP writes more. The English release mirrored the JP release.

[Andre]

As far as I know, all that's been written has been collected.... we just have to wait for CLAMP to get more time inbetween their other, more popular work to make more [Tsubasa and XXXHolic are big hits, which both have adaptions that CLAMP must be involved in to some degree, so I imagine it's more of a time thing]

More famous examples of unfinished works-
One Pound Gospel- Rumiko works on it whenever a break happens I guess. Most recent chapters in 2000/2001.

Appleseed- a new volume is 1/2 way done, but Shirow just never got around to completing it, and won't agree to collect the chapters until he has time to finish the story.

Studio Proteus convinced him to let them translate it but only if they publisher it in a serialized format- if you look for em, you can get the SuperMangaBlast issues with these stories.

If in the end, there are untranslated Legal Drug stories, I hope TPop translates them in some form even if Japanese publishers don't want to collect them. A nice, large Album sized edition would be nice, as would a comic book sized prestige format, or a digest with bonus CLAMP stuff of some sort to fill it out. That depends on what's been finished though...

[linlinchan]

All that exists has been translated. My impression from the various news I heard was that Kadokawa and CLAMP's relationship went south, leaving both X/1999 and Legal Drug open-ended. I also remember hearing that CLAMP had basically said that the completion of Legal Drug is found in xxxHolic, as the 2 series are basically as similar as they can be without CLAMP being in trouble for plagiarizing Legal Drug (which they could theoretically be, as the Japanese company basically owns most of the rights to the series) However, a lot of this is random speculation, so whether or not it's true, I can't say with any definate certainty.

[Noodle]

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I also remember hearing that CLAMP had basically said that the completion of Legal Drug is found in xxxHolic, as the 2 series are basically as similar as they can be without CLAMP being in trouble for plagiarizing Legal Drug

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ha! Well, true or not, that would be great (and wouldn't put it past CLAMP at all) but in my mind, there is only one true end for Legal Drug -- The boys just go get it on. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif I don't even care about the rest anymore... heh... /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

[lunap]

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littleharlock said:
Forgot to mention, that I somehow doubt they really have disagreements with Kadokawa. After all Kadokawa will release both X artbooks in November /images/graemlins/stunned0.gif


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Not being too familiar with artwork rights & all [so correct me if i'm wrong], but does Kadokawa need CLAMP's permision to collect the color artwork? Its already been done, and thus is Kadokawa property; I got to that conclusion from the original pages thread floating around in the forum.

In anycase, anything NEW for X is fine by me .

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[michaelwb]

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Noodle said:
... but in my mind, there is only one true end for Legal Drug -- The boys just go get it on. ...

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Ah that's your solution to everything. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[The Pirate Queen]

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Noodle said:
... but in my mind, there is only one true end for Legal Drug -- The boys just go get it on. ...

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Ah that's your solution to everything. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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And the reason why we both worship and curse the name of Noodle.

[linlinchan]

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littleharlock said:
Forgot to mention, that I somehow doubt they really have disagreements with Kadokawa. After all Kadokawa will release both X artbooks in November /images/graemlins/stunned0.gif


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Not being too familiar with artwork rights & all [so correct me if i'm wrong], but does Kadokawa need CLAMP's permision to collect the color artwork? Its already been done, and thus is Kadokawa property; I got to that conclusion from the original pages thread floating around in the forum.

In anycase, anything NEW for X is fine by me .

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I don't actually believe they do need permission to publish art for the title.

[ayumu]

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Noodle said:
there is only one true end for Legal Drug -- The boys just go get it on. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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In that case, it's probably better for you that CLAMP never finish the series. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

<span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>Not that I disagree with you.</span> /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

[kaname2112]

Thanks for the info everyone.
Oh Pook! /images/graemlins/sad.gif

[michaelwb]

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michaelwb said:
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Noodle said:
... but in my mind, there is only one true end for Legal Drug -- The boys just go get it on. ...

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Ah that's your solution to everything. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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And the reason why we both worship and curse the name of Noodle.

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Yeah, but it's also reason they stopped having her moderate political debates.

Noodle: "Enough arguing. Now get with the sweet, sweet loving."

[Noodle]

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michaelwb said:
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Noodle said:
... but in my mind, there is only one true end for Legal Drug -- The boys just go get it on. ...

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Ah that's your solution to everything. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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And the reason why we both worship and curse the name of Noodle.

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Yeah, but it's also reason they stopped having her moderate political debates.

Noodle: "Enough arguing. Now get with the sweet, sweet loving."

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Aahhhh! No! That's where I draw the line! *shudder*

....Well, unless it's a political debate between bishies... maybe student council...heh.. or um, a hot ex-yakuza boss and his rival?! Or... well, alright, fine, YOU WIN.

But c'mon! Hot boy-lovin' solves everything! /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

[Harafan]

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Linlin said:
All that exists has been translated. My impression from the various news I heard was that Kadokawa and CLAMP's relationship went south, leaving both X/1999 and Legal Drug open-ended. I also remember hearing that CLAMP had basically said that the completion of Legal Drug is found in xxxHolic, as the 2 series are basically as similar as they can be without CLAMP being in trouble for plagiarizing Legal Drug (which they could theoretically be, as the Japanese company basically owns most of the rights to the series) However, a lot of this is random speculation, so whether or not it's true, I can't say with any definate certainty.

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Manga is creator owned. The Japanese company (Kadokawa) doesn't own the rights. CLAMP does. However the Japanese publishers usually act as agent for the rights when it comes to things like licensing and such, so they essentially control the rights when it comes to dealing with other companies. But there's no risk of CLAMP getting in trouble for any use of their own characters or situations.

Kadokawa would need CLAMP's permission to publish an artbook -- but it's possible that Kadokawa had an option or a contract to publish X artbooks before the relationship went south (assuming that it did).

But there's nothing unusual in the business world about two parties doing business even when they are suing each other (it's not as normal for Japanese businesses than for American businesses, but it happens). So there could have been a massive falling out, but CLAMP may still allow Kadokawa to publish their artbooks.

What's probably happening to X and Legal Drug is CLAMP is waiting a certain amount of time for the contract to expire before they can take their series to another publisher.

[Andre]

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Harafan said:
Manga is creator owned. The Japanese company (Kadokawa) doesn't own the rights. CLAMP does. However the Japanese publishers usually act as agent for the rights when it comes to things like licensing and such, so they essentially control the rights when it comes to dealing with other companies. But there's no risk of CLAMP getting in trouble for any use of their own characters or situations.

Kadokawa would need CLAMP's permission to publish an artbook -- but it's possible that Kadokawa had an option or a contract to publish X artbooks before the relationship went south (assuming that it did).

But there's nothing unusual in the business world about two parties doing business even when they are suing each other (it's not as normal for Japanese businesses than for American businesses, but it happens). So there could have been a massive falling out, but CLAMP may still allow Kadokawa to publish their artbooks.

What's probably happening to X and Legal Drug is CLAMP is waiting a certain amount of time for the contract to expire before they can take their series to another publisher.

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To Elaborate on some of what you said-

Well, that depends on the contract. In some cases, the company may own all rights to the work. In others, they might only own some, which is usually the case.

Often, a creator can cotinue their characters story with another publishers, but just can't reprint the original mang at said publisher [I think this happened with Trigun, which moved into Trigun Maximum at another magazine]

Sometimes, the contract lets the creator maintain the rights to the characters/settings, but when used elsewhere they have to differ signifigantly. See CLAMP'S Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle. Or Angel Heart from the creator of City Hunter, which features characters and concepts from City Hunter, but isn't City Hunter.

Sometimes the creator retains ALL RIGHTS. Sometimes they get the rights reverted back to them in full after a decade or so [see Sailor Moon's recent reclamation by Naoko Takeuchi, as her old contract expired, and she created Princess Properties, spearheading a new liveaction version].
Sometimes the company owns EVERYTHING and the creator has no claim to it whatsoever, not even as a sequel work [see Nadia, which Gainax made but doesn't own, or Miyazaki's pre-Ghibli work, or Tomino and Gundam.. it's more common in animation, and is pretty much the standard for original animation works. But it does still occur in manga]

Then there's the crappy situation where an artist claims ownership over the writer, and the creators get embroiled in court against each other. Like Candy Candy.


So, CLAMP could be in a bit of a snit with Kadokawa, and might not be working with them anymore....
but due to their contract, Kadokawa will still be able to reprint their work, license it overseas, license it for animation [creators VERY rarely have involvement in animation adaptions- their contracts can give them tons of royalties and complete control, or none whatsoever. Kimagure Orange Road's creator never liked Akemi Takada's designs, but could do nothing about it becasue of his contract]


Contracts with publishers vary a GREAT deal, and there's good and bad sides to jusy about any contract. It's completely possible that Kadokawa could do an X artbook reprinting old art wuthout CLAMP's permission, and since they started X earlier in their career with very little clout as creators, it's entirely plausible.

That said, myself, I just think that CLAMP's lack of Kadokawa works is due to lack of time. They were still doing Legal Drug and X when XXXHolic and Tsubasa started, and those later titles proved to be VERY popular, and have since claimed a lot of CLAMP's resources. I imagine it's more of a time constraint thing...

as noted, Legal Drug has shifted to various anthologies, so it could be thatdespite beinga CLAMP title, it might not have enough clout, and CLAMP are probably keeping itas a Pet Project for when they have time to devote to it...

If CLAMP are having problems, I could see them waiting for the contract to expire, but that can sometimes takes YEARS. Hope it's not the case. For companies still working together while duing each other, see Marvel and Sony [Marvel sued Sony a LOT for Spiderman royalties Sony triedto skimp out on, while Spiderman 2 was in production]