GITS SAC 2nd GiG Manga Ent full response

[cpuuk]

Just for those with a thirst for knowledge, here is the full story from those nice people at Manga Ent, in response to Riccardinho now deleted thread-

"The purpose of 'check discs' is as the name suggests a batch of discs produced to check errors before final pressing for consumer release. By such an advanced stage of the production the discs are usually fault-free which is why they have been traditionally used as review copies. Sometimes a further fault can become apparent and in this case the check discs revealed that instead of the ordered translation from Japanese subtitle track, a Hard of Hearing track had been accidentally supplied.

The consumer release for 24th January will contain the translation from Japanese subtitle track as was supposed to be the case. All future volumes will carry a translated Japanese subtitle track.

As for the issue of the Manga logo it is placed at the beginning of the four episodes but the individual episodes do have the IDT logo only as we thought it to be too much placing the Manga logo on continuously when it has already been seen. As I am sure many Manga fans are aware the company is owned by IDT therefore their logo does need to go onto the DVD. This also follows suit with the US DVD.

We'd like to thank the ever razor sharp reviewers for bringing this subtitle problem to our attention. We only became aware of it just as the discs had been sent out. Sods law tends to work that way! We are committed to ensuring that this season of Ghost in the Shell Standalone Complex is fault-free for our fans and will be rigorously checking each volume before consumer release."

[Chris Beveridge]

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CPU said:As for the issue of the Manga logo it is placed at the beginning of the four episodes but the individual episodes do have the IDT logo only as we thought it to be too much placing the Manga logo on continuously when it has already been seen. As I am sure many Manga fans are aware the company is owned by IDT therefore their logo does need to go onto the DVD. This also follows suit with the US DVD.

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This confuses me. Are they saying that if you do a play-all, it shows the IDT logo between episodes?

If so, that does NOT happen with the US release. If you do a play all, you just get the episodes. The only time you see logos is during the pre-load of the menu. And even there I don't recall seeing an IDT logo but I can't say for 100%.

[abigsmurf]

I think this is actually the first time I remember a company fixing an issue in a check disc O_o

[Skywise]

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abigsmurf said:
I think this is actually the first time I remember a company fixing an issue in a check disc O_o

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Well usually you never see check discs, so any errors that are there is something you won't notice - it won't make it into the finished product. I also recall a couple of occasions when Chris has reviewed check discs and noted errors, but usually with a note that it will be fixed for the retail release. If you're reviewing "unfinished" content it's a pretty good idea to note it in the review, and also give a little heads up to the company you got the discs from to make sure it's not something that slipped past QC.

[shokoti]

I have to say I really don't see the point of deleting the other post. It wasn't a major error to post at all, because although they have said they caught the problem themselves, it's quite possible they hadn't, and if everyone kept quiet about it we'd potentially end up with botched discs, which would cause a much bigger headache on release.

Since they do send out check discs, it's totally the right thing to do to point out mistakes, because that's what check discs are for. If they noticed it already they're not going to bite anyone's head off, and will appreciate it if they missed a problem.

I'd hardly say this is "bad publicity" since they've addressed it already. Granted it may have been better to get a response from them before posting given how long it is until release, but I really don't see that it's a problem at all, and someone else may well have posted anyway.

I honestly don't understand the reaction to the thread; it was hardly one of the typical "let's turn it into a crisis of the week" threads, it was actually quite civilised.

Anyway /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif, that said I'm really pleased at how quickly this was addressed, and it's great to know it's something that will be fixed. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

[shokoti]

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Chris Beveridge said:
This confuses me. Are they saying that if you do a play-all, it shows the IDT logo between episodes?

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There's no play all option, you can only play each individual episode. The Manga logo is displayed when the disc loads up after the copyrights, and then yes, the IDT logo is played before each individual ep.

[Skywise]

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shokoti said:
There's no play all option, you can only play each individual episode. The Manga logo is displayed when the disc loads up after the copyrights, and then yes, the IDT logo is played before each individual ep.

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Ew. Was the first season like this too?

[shokoti]

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Skywise said:
Ew. Was the first season like this too?

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Yup, it's never bothered me that much but I can see why it's annoying to some.

[cpuuk]

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shokoti said:
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Skywise said:
Ew. Was the first season like this too?

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Yup, it's never bothered me that much but I can see why it's annoying to some.

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[CPU takes one look at thread and walks back out without stopping]

[ic14]

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CPU said:
[CPU takes one look at thread and walks back out without stopping]

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I dont blame you.

It didnt bother me either btw.

[Mrdini]

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IanC said:
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CPU said:
[CPU takes one look at thread and walks back out without stopping]

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I dont blame you.

It didnt bother me either btw.

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On the other hand, this might go to show Manga might be doing something right for once /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif if that's the harshest complaint regarding this disc! /images/graemlins/tongue.gif (Obviously, assuming the subtitle issue is taken care of on the production discs)

[Chris Beveridge]

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shokoti said:
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Chris Beveridge said:
This confuses me. Are they saying that if you do a play-all, it shows the IDT logo between episodes?

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There's no play all option, you can only play each individual episode. The Manga logo is displayed when the disc loads up after the copyrights, and then yes, the IDT logo is played before each individual ep.

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Then I stand by what I said about their comments regarding the US release. IT IS NOT LIKE THAT. No IDT logos in the show at all. I think there may be one on the packaging but that would be it. And we get a play all capability as well.

[quenelf]

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IanC said:
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CPU said:
[CPU takes one look at thread and walks back out without stopping]

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I dont blame you.

It didnt bother me either btw.

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Well, clearly it's not the end of the world and not a real problem with the disc. I agree that if that's the worst problem with the disc, Manga are home free this time...

A bit annoying that you have to see it 4 times though. Is it just a single 1-second card or a tedious swooshy animated thing?

I'd certainly be irritated if that became a standard for US releases; but I suspect there would be sufficient complaints, and enough comments in quality technical reviews from well-read sites like this one, to encourage companies to stop doing it, provide a 'play all' button, and keep logos to the start of the disc. (Just as, for example, nearly all anime DVDs now have correct chapter stops, which definitely wasn't the case for many years; all that complaining eventually worked. We can live without proper chaptering, but it's nice that we don't have to now. /images/graemlins/happy.gif)

--quen

[maehara]

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quen said:
A bit annoying that you have to see it 4 times though. Is it just a single 1-second card or a tedious swooshy animated thing?

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A 10-second animated logo. I can see how some would find it tedious after a while, but as logos go it's bearable...

[abigsmurf]

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Skywise said:
Well usually you never see check discs, so any errors that are there is something you won't notice - it won't make it into the finished product. I also recall a couple of occasions when Chris has reviewed check discs and noted errors, but usually with a note that it will be fixed for the retail release. If you're reviewing "unfinished" content it's a pretty good idea to note it in the review, and also give a little heads up to the company you got the discs from to make sure it's not something that slipped past QC.

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MVM, Optimum and Manga Ent usually send all their titles as check disks, it's been a long time since I remember seeing any errors that weren't design choices (the angle icons on the ghibli titles spring to mind). When I have contacted companies about disc issues in the past though I usually get a "too late it's in production" answer. That's why I'm so suprised Manga ent. did the changes.

[shokoti]

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abigsmurf said:
(the angle icons on the ghibli titles spring to mind).

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What angle icons? I didn't see any problems with Nausicaa...

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That's why I'm so suprised Manga ent. did the changes.

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I was a bit surprised too, but I think it's just a combination of it being such an early disc and them also catching it themselves first. It's cool though. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

[ic14]

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shokoti said:
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abigsmurf said:
(the angle icons on the ghibli titles spring to mind).

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What angle icons? I didn't see any problems with Nausicaa...

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I thought it was people having there dvd players set to show the angle mark all the time when theres a changeable moment.

[shokoti]

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IanC said:
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shokoti said:
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abigsmurf said:
(the angle icons on the ghibli titles spring to mind).

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What angle icons? I didn't see any problems with Nausicaa...

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I thought it was epople having there dvd players set to show the angle mark all the time when theres a changeable moment.

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That's certainly what it sounds like to me, but I wanted to check. /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

[Exelion]

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IanC said:
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shokoti said:
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abigsmurf said:
(the angle icons on the ghibli titles spring to mind).

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What angle icons? I didn't see any problems with Nausicaa...

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I thought it was epople having there dvd players set to show the angle mark all the time when theres a changeable moment.

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Nope, even if you had the angle mark switched off it still came up, at least it did on my dvd players.

[shokoti]

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Exelion said:
Nope, even if you had the angle mark switched off it still came up, at least it did on my dvd players.

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Is that on Nausicaa? Because I'll check my player if it is; I don't remember it. I'm genuinely curious.

[Exelion]

It happens on the Spirited Away DVD, I have yet to buy Nausica so I wouldn't know if it happens on that.

[shokoti]

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Exelion said:
It happens on the Spirited Away DVD,

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Ah, now you say that, I think I remember hearing about that before. Don't have the UK release of Spirited Away myself. To be honest I kind of forgot about it. /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif