Strawberry Panic anime [Archive]

Rogueman_8

12-24-2005, 06:00 PM

possibly, according to this 'coming soon' image (http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20051224b7zl.jpg) from moonphase.

edit: title

Lego

12-25-2005, 12:02 AM

Here is the Strawberry Panic (http://www.mediaworks.co.jp/users_s/gs/strawberry/index.php) main site. It ooks like a bunch of short stories. Looks like more fanservice/loli bait for that crowd.

So far this is all I've found out about it in general:

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The basic "plot" is that there are three all-girl schools at which "yuri coupling" is a tradition. Each issue of Strawberry Panic, called Sto-Pani for short, includes short stories about each of the four "couplings," all of which are detailed on the website. The short, one-page stories about each couple that manages to be sweet, without actually, say, developing them at all as a couple.

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Oh yay....

untoldsorrow

12-25-2005, 06:54 PM

Aww, I wish it was the sequel to I My Me Strawberry Eggs, lol.

Shsway

12-25-2005, 07:47 PM

Paging Captain Impulse. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

TheGreenMan

12-25-2005, 07:54 PM

Yuri couplings? I'm there! Speaking of all girl schools and yuri, I wonder if Koi Shimai (Loving Sisters) will ever be animated. *crosses figures*

Fencedude

12-27-2005, 02:30 AM

How...interesting.

NeoMM

12-27-2005, 02:53 AM

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untoldsorrow said:
Aww, I wish it was the sequel to I My Me Strawberry Eggs, lol.

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Lol, me too. I saw the word strawberry and I instantly thought of IMMSE. I'd love to see a sequel to IMMSE, but I doubt that will ever happen. It would be hard to create the same tenseness that IMMSE created regarding Hibiki's situation all over again with the same characters after the ended that they left us with.

As for the picture, very pretty... I'd hate for it to just end up being another loli sentimental show though.

Rogueman_8

12-27-2005, 09:09 AM

a bigger image plus info on staff, story, characters and school can be found here (http://www.mediaworks.co.jp/users_s/gs/strawberry/sp.php).

12-27-2005, 09:37 AM

It looks like Mai Nakahara and Ai Shimizu are doing a radio promo for it. If they are the seiyuus for the show then my interest will definitely be piqued. The yuri theme doesn't hurt either.

pianocello

12-28-2005, 08:26 PM

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Lego said:
Here is the Strawberry Panic (http://www.mediaworks.co.jp/users_s/gs/strawberry/index.php) main site. It ooks like a bunch of short stories. Looks like more fanservice/loli bait for that crowd.

So far this is all I've found out about it in general:

[ QUOTE ]
The basic "plot" is that there are three all-girl schools at which "yuri coupling" is a tradition. Each issue of Strawberry Panic, called Sto-Pani for short, includes short stories about each of the four "couplings," all of which are detailed on the website. The short, one-page stories about each couple that manages to be sweet, without actually, say, developing them at all as a couple.

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Oh yay....

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SOLD!!!!!!

Rogueman_8

03-02-2006, 08:12 AM

the 2nd yuri show opened its official site (http://www.strawberrypanic.com/) yesterday and is scheduled for april alongside simoun /images/graemlins/devil.gif.

Nork22

03-02-2006, 04:15 PM

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Rogueman_8 said:
the 2nd yuri show opened its official site (http://www.strawberrypanic.com/) yesterday and is scheduled for april alongside simoun /images/graemlins/devil.gif.

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Ahh dammit, no Mamiko Noto. But will watch this while waiting for Mari-mite season 3. /images/graemlins/devil.gif

TheGreenMan

03-02-2006, 04:33 PM

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Rogueman_8 said:
the 2nd yuri show opened its official site (http://www.strawberrypanic.com/) yesterday and is scheduled for april alongside simoun /images/graemlins/devil.gif.

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Like the whole Marimite-esque pose of the two girls on the character's page (Nagisa Aoi and Hanazono Shizuma, I believe). They look the hot and heavy yuri lovers (see my avatar) /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif of the bunch (if any of the scans I've seen are any indication).

03-02-2006, 04:38 PM

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Rogueman_8 said:
the 2nd yuri show opened its official site (http://www.strawberrypanic.com/) yesterday and is scheduled for april alongside simoun /images/graemlins/devil.gif.

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Looks like Ai Shimizu is doing 2 roles for this series. I'll definitely be checking it out.

Rogueman_8

03-29-2006, 02:39 PM

official site (http://www.strawberrypanic.com/news/060328.html) has a promo movie of this yuri-ific anime.

Dagger

03-29-2006, 03:26 PM

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Rogueman_8 said:
official site (http://www.strawberrypanic.com/news/060328.html) has a promo movie of this yuri-ific anime.

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...Further proving that yuri series usually adhere to the same seme/uke stereotypes as BL anime. Sigh. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Fencedude

03-29-2006, 05:15 PM

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Dagger said:
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Rogueman_8 said:
official site (http://www.strawberrypanic.com/news/060328.html) has a promo movie of this yuri-ific anime.

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...Further proving that yuri series usually adhere to the same seme/uke stereotypes as BL anime. Sigh. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Indeed.

Amusing video though.

I wonder if that song is the OP theme.

TheGreenMan

03-29-2006, 06:05 PM

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Dagger said:
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Rogueman_8 said:
official site (http://www.strawberrypanic.com/news/060328.html) has a promo movie of this yuri-ific anime.

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...Further proving that yuri series usually adhere to the same seme/uke stereotypes as BL anime. Sigh. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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So it's Marimite with a really aggressive Onee-sama. Not that I'm complaining. Love the animation. Madhouse is awesome. And it has Mai Nakahara (Mai from My-Hime) and Hitomi Nabatame (Arcueid) as the main characters, Nagisa and Shizuma, along with Ai Shimizu playing two roles (at least, that ANN says). Can't wait for this show, along Simoun (the other shoujoai show).

Dagger

04-04-2006, 05:20 PM

I just watched the first episode, and I found it to be surprisingly likeable. The comedy actually works (at least in some parts), and it doesn't take itself too seriously. Animation & character designs are kind of bleh, but I can get used to them. At any rate, it managed to be pretty decent when I was expecting something on the level of Gakuen Heaven. A tentative thumbs-up for now.

golthin

04-04-2006, 05:24 PM

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Dagger said:
I just watched the first episode, and I found it to be surprisingly likeable. The comedy actually works (at least in some parts), and it doesn't take itself too seriously. Animation & character designs are kind of bleh, but I can get used to them. At any rate, it managed to be pretty decent when I was expecting something on the level of Gakuen Heaven. A tentative thumbs-up for now.

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Hehe! Already two girls going after the new girl in campus.
Too bad the first kiss was stopped.

TheGreenMan

04-04-2006, 05:33 PM

The ED sequence is worth the price of admission. /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif I mean, holy shoujoai batman!

Fencedude

04-04-2006, 11:04 PM

Hah, that was awesome.

Shizuma's great. She's a predator. She's going to stalk Nagisa, use her up, and then throw her away.

Then Tamao, crazy carrion eater that she is, will dash in and pick up the pieces.

Poor Nagisa, she has no idea whats going to hit her.

LimePie

04-05-2006, 02:11 AM

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Fencedude said:
Then Tamao, crazy carrion eater that she is, will dash in and pick up the pieces.

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Is it just me, or does Tamao just scream "Tomoyo-clone"? Not that that's a bad thing. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

Fencedude

04-05-2006, 03:37 AM

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Ojamajo LimePie said:
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Fencedude said:
Then Tamao, crazy carrion eater that she is, will dash in and pick up the pieces.

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Is it just me, or does Tamao just scream "Tomoyo-clone"? Not that that's a bad thing. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

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Actually, she reminds me more of Mariko from Onii-sama E.

Which is even more awesome.

Deranged Lesbian Stalkers FTW.

wrex

04-05-2006, 08:35 AM

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Dagger said:
I just watched the first episode, and I found it to be surprisingly likeable. The comedy actually works (at least in some parts), and it doesn't take itself too seriously. Animation & character designs are kind of bleh, but I can get used to them. At any rate, it managed to be pretty decent when I was expecting something on the level of Gakuen Heaven. A tentative thumbs-up for now.

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Yeah, I gotta agree with you... and usually, I'm not into this kind of anime, but it was funny, cute, and a little twisted. The whole French-like school theme reminded me also of Utena (without the swordfighting and intrigue).

TheGreenMan

04-05-2006, 09:11 AM

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Ojamajo LimePie said:
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Fencedude said:
Then Tamao, crazy carrion eater that she is, will dash in and pick up the pieces.

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Is it just me, or does Tamao just scream "Tomoyo-clone"? Not that that's a bad thing. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

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That's what I thought too. How many times does she have to use "kawaii"? I loved the way she blushed at Nagisa in that one scene. And then when she locked Nagisa and herself in the room for bondage sex...I mean measuring Nagisa for her uniform.

Edit: As for Shizuma, she seems like Sachiko, Sei, and Chikane rolled up into one. I would have said just Sachiko and Sei, but there seems to be a little Chikane as well, expecially when she first meets Nagisa by the tree (her expression after they touch hands screams Chikane for some reason).

saeba_ryo

04-07-2006, 04:28 PM

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TheGreenMan said:
The ED sequence is worth the price of admission. /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif I mean, holy shoujoai batman!

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Holy cow!!! I just saw the the first episode today and I couldn't believe what an awesome ED it had. One can never get enough of Mai Nakahara and Ai Shimizu yuri goodness /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif

Suwako Moriya

04-12-2006, 04:32 AM

I think I'm going to love this series. I just finished watching the second episode and I'm now rewatching episode 1. Not to say she's the only character I'll like. However Tamao herself definitely appeals to me. Although I feel slightly sorry for Nagisa. Since she's probably scared... However don't be Nagisa, give in and marry Tamao. It's your destiny. Okay I've said too much.

evilarrex

04-17-2006, 06:20 PM

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Fencedude said:
Hah, that was awesome.

Shizuma's great. She's a predator. She's going to stalk Nagisa, use her up, and then throw her away.

Then Tamao, crazy carrion eater that she is, will dash in and pick up the pieces.

Poor Nagisa, she has no idea whats going to hit her.

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Needs a R1 License sooooon! /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif

golthin

04-17-2006, 08:15 PM

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Alyssa Searrs said:
I think I'm going to love this series. I just finished watching the second episode and I'm now rewatching episode 1. Not to say she's the only character I'll like. However Tamao herself definitely appeals to me. Although I feel slightly sorry for Nagisa. Since she's probably scared... However don't be Nagisa, give in and marry Tamao. It's your destiny. Okay I've said too much.

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Well, I just read the first 4 chapters of the Manga adaptation. In the anime they have not explained Shizuma's inner thoughts and why Nagisa seems to be more special to her than any of the other girls.

TheGreenMan

04-17-2006, 08:24 PM

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golthin said:
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Alyssa Searrs said:
I think I'm going to love this series. I just finished watching the second episode and I'm now rewatching episode 1. Not to say she's the only character I'll like. However Tamao herself definitely appeals to me. Although I feel slightly sorry for Nagisa. Since she's probably scared... However don't be Nagisa, give in and marry Tamao. It's your destiny. Okay I've said too much.

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Well, I just read the first 4 chapters of the Manga adaptation. In the anime they have not explained Shizuma's inner thoughts and why Nagisa seems to be more special to her than any of the other girls.

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Well, the manga does explain Shizuma's situation for the onset, making it easier to see why she's drawn to Nagisa. And the manga is a whole lot dirtier than the anime. I think they're waiting to explain Shizuma a little more in the anime. Which I hope they do soon.

Speaking of another couple, I think Yaya and Hikari go back pretty far which I guess explains Yaya's possesiveness of Hikari. I saw an illustration of the two of them--several years younger--sleeping together in a bed while touching hands. It's so damn /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif.

evilarrex

04-19-2006, 04:56 PM

Now that I've seen episode 1.
/images/graemlins/noseblee.gifGosh Shizuna us kinda like Sei from Maria Mite except even more predatory. Sooo tempted to order the R2 Ltd Edition. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Nork22

04-19-2006, 05:20 PM

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Arrex said:
Now that I've seen episode 1.
/images/graemlins/noseblee.gifGosh Shizuna us kinda like Sei from Maria Mite except even more predatory. Sooo tempted to order the R2 Ltd Edition. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Shizuna is like the 3 Rose leaders combine. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Nork22

04-19-2006, 05:50 PM

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Arrex said:
Now that I've seen episode 1.
/images/graemlins/noseblee.gifGosh Shizuna us kinda like Sei from Maria Mite except even more predatory. Sooo tempted to order the R2 Ltd Edition. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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OK SOLD! I'm going to preorder the R2 Ltd Edition. /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

martod

04-19-2006, 06:31 PM

From seeing the first episode this smells like a girl surrounded by girls harem series. Already Nagisa has two admirers, and they showed a whole bunch of girls who are interested in who the new student is.

something

05-18-2006, 03:53 PM

While I'm reviving old disucssion threads I might as well hit this one up.

Anyway, I love it. It's cute, it's well animated, the designs are great (if a bit skinny, but it's anime so it's just a style choice), and I really like the voice acting.

Nagisa and Tamao instantly were familiar to me, so I checked ANN and saw that Nagisa is Mai(HiME)/Miina(Twins)/Rena(Higurashi) and Tamao is Mikoto(HiME)/Karen(Twins), and I really like how their voices worked together as a main pairing in HiME/Twins so this works well for me here as well. I kept trying to decide who in particular I was hearing when they spoke, and I think it's Karen and Rena that are coming to mind most. Anyway, they're enjoyable, as are most of the other voices.

Anyway, this is just really fun to watch, and it's the kind of show that doesn't really need a great plot or any action or deep mysteries and conspiracies to keep me watching. I'll just be completely content to watch the characters interact for 13 episodes, and I'll enjoy every bit of it.

I suppose the only thing bugging me is that they need to find a new gig for the Etoile besides "Oooh... oooooh... I'm gonna KISS you... I'm really gonna do it... MY LIPS ARE LIKE HALF AN INCH AWAY NOW AND... OH WE GOT INTERRUPTED, sorry, I'll have to molest you later." I mean, lets see, we have an almost kiss in the OP each time, and like 4-5 more just in the first two episodes or something and, er, it's getting old /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif Oh sure it's cute and when it finally happens it'll just be all the better, but I think they're trying a bit too hard at the moment /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

But that's not really a significant complaint against the show itself.

In summary, this season is KICKING MY ASS WITH AWESOMENESS. Haruhi, School Rumble 2, Higurashi, Ouran, Strawberry Panic, Utawarerumono... and there are STILL a lot of shows I haven't tried yet. If these all get licensed, I am so screwed, but it's a screwing I will enjoy oh so much~

Speedy Boris

05-18-2006, 04:04 PM

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disarm said: I suppose the only thing bugging me is that they need to find a new gig for the Etoile besides "Oooh... oooooh... I'm gonna KISS you... I'm really gonna do it... MY LIPS ARE LIKE HALF AN INCH AWAY NOW AND... OH WE GOT INTERRUPTED, sorry, I'll have to molest you later." I mean, lets see, we have an almost kiss in the OP each time, and like 4-5 more just in the first two episodes or something and, er, it's getting old /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif Oh sure it's cute and when it finally happens it'll just be all the better, but I think they're trying a bit too hard at the moment /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

[/ QUOTE ] According to the Random Curiosity blog, episode 7 has more, erm... "action".

Splitter

05-18-2006, 05:01 PM

So now we have implied yuri and attempted yuri rape. All I can really say is thank God Amane showed up just in time. This episode is all the proof I need that this series is really starting to take off. More Hikari eps! She's so much more cute and interesting than Nagisa!

Fencedude

05-18-2006, 05:10 PM

Chikaru is clearly the best character in the entire show.

I'm still mad Nagisa didn't join the Henshin club.

Splitter

05-18-2006, 05:17 PM

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Fencedude said:
Chikaru is clearly the best character in the entire show.

I'm still mad Nagisa didn't join the Henshin club.

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Chikaru bores me a little, but that's because we haven't really seen much of her outside her talk with Nagisa and when Nagisa found their club. Although next week's focus seems to be on the henshin club, so rejoice.

My focus now is entirely on Yaya. She's going to pull a Chikane with Hikari by the end of the series. I just know it.

TheGreenMan

05-18-2006, 05:18 PM

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Splitter said:
So now we have implied yuri and attempted yuri rape. All I can really say is thank God Amane showed up just in time. This episode is all the proof I need that this series is really starting to take off. More Hikari eps! She's so much more cute and interesting than Nagisa!

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Ha! I was waiting for you guys to pick up on ep 7. We finally get a hardcore lesbian couple and they're completely evil. Well, I guess it spices things up a little. I want to see more cosplay lovin Chikaru though-laid back and badass at the same time. It'll be interesting to see the triangle in the Le Rim school: I think it's between Chikaru, the greenhaired girl and the loli with the nurses outfit in ep 6 based on some illustrations I saw.

evilarrex

05-18-2006, 05:37 PM

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TheGreenMan said:

Ha! I was waiting for you guys to pick up on ep 7.

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Yessssssss. Eps 7.... /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif

masterpez

05-18-2006, 07:41 PM

At times I have to remind myself that I'm not watching the Discovery Channel, because as someone said before, some of these girls are freaking predators. White-haired chick especially (can't remember her name, can't remember how to spell her title), poor Nagisa doesn't stand a chance.

Captain Impulse

05-23-2006, 04:46 AM

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Shsway said:
Paging Captain Impulse. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Uh oh, I'm developing a rep around here. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Galt

05-24-2006, 08:48 AM

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TheGreenMan said:
The ED sequence is worth the price of admission. /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif I mean, holy shoujoai batman!

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Anyone who likes the ED song needs to pick up the single (which just came out). It comes with a DVD with the full length version of the video. It shows what happens after the "almost kiss" that gets faded out in the anime version. WOW. /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif

EDIT: will post some screen shots when I get home.

Galt

Captain Impulse

05-24-2006, 09:53 AM

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Galt said:
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TheGreenMan said:
The ED sequence is worth the price of admission. /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif I mean, holy shoujoai batman!

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Anyone who likes the ED song needs to pick up the single (which just came out). It comes with a DVD with the full length version of the video. It shows what happens after the "almost kiss" that gets faded out in the anime version. WOW. /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif

EDIT: will post some screen shots when I get home.

Galt

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I believe you are most like referring to this (http://zammel.kir.jp/lesles/src/1148393670073.jpg). Probably NSFW, depending on who your boss is, I guess. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

TheGreenMan

05-24-2006, 10:10 AM

I really don't know who my favorite character is now--I love them all! I feel bad for Yaya (aka Chikane). Yaya can't tell Hikari that she loves her. On another note, I need to see more of the Le Rim girls, damnit!!!

Did anyone notice that the love "squares" in Miator and St. Spica follow the same pattern (I haven't seen much of Le Rim yet)?

something

05-24-2006, 11:17 AM

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Galt said:
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TheGreenMan said:
The ED sequence is worth the price of admission. /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif I mean, holy shoujoai batman!

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Anyone who likes the ED song needs to pick up the single (which just came out). It comes with a DVD with the full length version of the video. It shows what happens after the "almost kiss" that gets faded out in the anime version. WOW. /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif

EDIT: will post some screen shots when I get home.
Galt

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Am I weird for hating the ED and thinking it looks rediculous to have live action after an animated show? /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif Yeah it's yuri and all, but it just seems so silly, so I wind up skipping it every time =P

Galt

05-24-2006, 03:07 PM

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disarm said:
Am I weird for hating the ED and thinking it looks rediculous to have live action after an animated show? /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif Yeah it's yuri and all, but it just seems so silly, so I wind up skipping it every time =P

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Not at all. I felt the same way the first time I saw it. It wasn't until I saw it for the third or fourth time that I really started to like it (and the song as well). Originally, I didn't care for the goth loli outfits (I guess you could call it that) they are wearing, but they don't bother me as much now.

Can't think of any other series that has a live ED, or a live OP for that matter aside from Strawberry Panic. Hmmm.

Galt

something

05-24-2006, 04:17 PM

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Galt said:
Can't think of any other series that has a live ED, or a live OP for that matter aside from Strawberry Panic. Hmmm.

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One of the Saber Marionette... EDs?... had live action parts, with people cosplaying the three marionettes, though you never saw them in full.

cregbr

05-24-2006, 06:19 PM

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disarm said:
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Galt said:
Can't think of any other series that has a live ED, or a live OP for that matter aside from Strawberry Panic. Hmmm.

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One of the Saber Marionette... EDs?... had live action parts, with people cosplaying the three marionettes, though you never saw them in full.

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Hanaokyou Maid Tai (the first verion by M.O.E) had live people cosplaying the Triplets (although less /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif ).

K.

Captain Impulse

05-24-2006, 07:34 PM

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disarm said:
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Galt said:
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TheGreenMan said:
The ED sequence is worth the price of admission. /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif I mean, holy shoujoai batman!

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Anyone who likes the ED song needs to pick up the single (which just came out). It comes with a DVD with the full length version of the video. It shows what happens after the "almost kiss" that gets faded out in the anime version. WOW. /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif

EDIT: will post some screen shots when I get home.
Galt

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Am I weird for hating the ED and thinking it looks rediculous to have live action after an animated show? /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif Yeah it's yuri and all, but it just seems so silly, so I wind up skipping it every time =P

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I agree. It wierded me out on Miami Guns as well, and at least one other title I don't remember the name of. Only parts of it were live action, but that goth-lookin' dude bugged me.

jlazar

05-24-2006, 07:38 PM

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disarm said:
Yeah it's yuri and all, but it just seems so silly, so I wind up skipping it every time =P

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Oh, so you've missed them gradually moving the scene along to a full blown lesbian love scene?

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golthin

05-24-2006, 08:05 PM

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Can't think of any other series that has a live ED, or a live OP for that matter aside from Strawberry Panic. Hmmm.

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One of the Saber Marionette... EDs?... had live action parts, with people cosplaying the three marionettes, though you never saw them in full.

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FLCL ED had live action!

Mitsuki

05-24-2006, 09:05 PM

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Can't think of any other series that has a live ED, or a live OP for that matter aside from Strawberry Panic. Hmmm.

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One of the Saber Marionette... EDs?... had live action parts, with people cosplaying the three marionettes, though you never saw them in full.

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FLCL ED had live action!

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And Real Bout High School! /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Aiia

05-25-2006, 04:25 AM

Air Gear has a live ending as well but there's no people showing up, only streets and subways and stuff.

pathos

05-25-2006, 06:52 AM

His and Her Circumstances, the panning through the school. No people tho

The video doesn't bother me any. Its just coupled with the music. A bit jarring. Not sure how to descibe it, except they just don't seem to go together well

XenoSaber

05-25-2006, 07:46 AM

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His and Her Circumstances, the panning through the school. No people tho

The video doesn't bother me any. Its just coupled with the music. A bit jarring. Not sure how to descibe it, except they just don't seem to go together well

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And considering they used old Starblazers/Yamato music, I thought that was kind of weird.

jlazar

06-21-2006, 10:15 PM

Yes! Shizuma finally planted a kiss on Nagisa's lips after they fall into a pool. Two showers later (separate, darn), Shizuma was... getting even friskier when she had a flashback and pulled away. It'll be intersting to see how this plays out. But at least they didn't keep teasing us with the 'almost' kiss for 26 epsiodes. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

masterpez

06-21-2006, 10:38 PM

I'm glad that Shizuma seems like less of a predator now, to me at least. I think that was the thing I didn't like about her at first. It's like she's become alittle softer now that she's gotten to know Nagisa a bit. After seeing her in that dress she had on, you can clearly see how "soft" she is. /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif

lilgumba

06-22-2006, 09:10 PM

She seems less like a preditor? It looks like she went back to her old vampire ways. lol

jlazar

06-22-2006, 09:16 PM

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She seems less like a preditor? It looks like she went back to her old vampire ways. lol

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Well, the fact that she pulled away after the flashback does show she has some reluctance to force herself on Nagisa. It'll be interesting to see what happened in the past that caused that reaction.

Also, Nagisa isn't exactly running away after the kiss. Seemed to be at least partially wanting to explore the feelings the kiss invoked within her. A shift from her earlier reactions to the near kisses.

golthin

06-22-2006, 10:04 PM

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Yes! Shizuma finally planted a kiss on Nagisa's lips after they fall into a pool. Two showers later (separate, darn), Shizuma was... getting even friskier when she had a flashback and pulled away. It'll be intersting to see how this plays out. But at least they didn't keep teasing us with the 'almost' kiss for 26 epsiodes. /images/graemlins/happy.gif



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Well, in this episode the one that came to me as a class act was tamao, she could have gotten angry at Nagisa for losing her ribbon, but she hugged her. Shisuna taking the ribbon off was pretty crappy. Thank goodness she only have 6 months left in the school and Nagisa will belong to tamao.

evilarrex

06-22-2006, 10:11 PM

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Well, in this episode the one that came to me as a class act was tamao,

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Well yes. Tamao-chan is certainly my favorite character in Strawberry Panic. /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif

Nork22

06-23-2006, 09:23 AM

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Well, in this episode the one that came to me as a class act was tamao,

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Well yes. Tamao-chan is certainly my favorite character in Strawberry Panic. /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif

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Only because she is like Tomoyo Daidouji ver 2.1 /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

But hot damn!!!! /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif

TheGreenMan

06-24-2006, 02:32 PM

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Jim Lazar said:
Yes! Shizuma finally planted a kiss on Nagisa's lips after they fall into a pool. Two showers later (separate, darn), Shizuma was... getting even friskier when she had a flashback and pulled away. It'll be intersting to see how this plays out. But at least they didn't keep teasing us with the 'almost' kiss for 26 epsiodes. /images/graemlins/happy.gif



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Now we get to some shoujoai loving. But, can anyone actually kiss under water? Wouldn't someone swallow a whole lot of water? Anyway, nice that they actually progressed the story along.

Chikaru-sama is the best character in the series. I wish they'd go into the Le Rim (Lim) girls a little more. I hope they're not going to be comedy relief for the whole series.

XenoSaber

06-24-2006, 04:20 PM

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Now we get to some shoujoai loving. But, can anyone actually kiss under water? Wouldn't someone swallow a whole lot of water? Anyway, nice that they actually progressed the story along.

Chikaru-sama is the best character in the series. I wish they'd go into the Le Rim (Lim) girls a little more. I hope they're not going to be comedy relief for the whole series.

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I can be done, it's a little tough though. You have to be quick and well let's just say, really good. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

jlazar

07-07-2006, 02:54 PM

New OP and Ed for this episode.

The songs were okay, but I think I liked the first pair better.

ED is still live action with some more flirting and an actual kiss on the forehead instead of the near lip kiss.

Opening animation is quite nice though. A few pieces of white cloth straticically placed during a sleepover. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Story is progressing nicely, more fallout from the pool kiss. Tamao and Nagisa get closer. More on Yaya and Hikari.

TheGreenMan

07-07-2006, 04:37 PM

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New OP and Ed for this episode.

The songs were okay, but I think I liked the first pair better.

ED is still live action with some more flirting and an actual kiss on the forehead instead of the near lip kiss.

Opening animation is quite nice though. A few pieces of white cloth straticically placed during a sleepover. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Story is progressing nicely, more fallout from the pool kiss. Tamao and Nagisa get closer. More on Yaya and Hikari. 

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I wonder if the opening is an indication that Tsubomi and Yaya will get together.

Fencedude

07-07-2006, 04:41 PM

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I wonder if the opening is an indication that Tsubomi and Yaya will get together.

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That would be such an...amusing pairing.

Suwako Moriya

07-07-2006, 04:53 PM

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I wonder if the opening is an indication that Tsubomi and Yaya will get together.

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Maybe, maybe not. Depends on how many scenes in the opening are meant to be taken literally and even then the actual result may be a bit different. Still it does give us something to think about and hope for. Although since the scene involves Tsubomi secretly watching Yaya sing. It gives us a clue that Tsubomi likes Yaya, but not the other way around

something

07-29-2006, 12:57 AM

So, I finally caught up with this. The two things that I must get out first:

Chikaru is goddamned hot. Damn she was looking good as Carmen XD

Hikari is a rape magnet. She needs to start carrying around pepper spray. Or packing heat >_> She can't go two steps without getting molested.

At any rate, I continue to love this show. The "evil Spica bitch lesbian duo" is getting a bit old (when is someone going to put them in their place once and for all, damnit?) but besides that it's gold. Easily the most lesboriffic show I've ever seen /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

Lets see, what else to comment on... Chikaru's henshin club members amuse me so. The thumb wrestling "make-out-and-disorient-you-no-jutsu" move that the one pulled on the other totally made my day (well, night).

Nagisa bounced back oddly fast after her, uh, "encounter" with Shizuma in the pool (and on the bed), considering how dazed and confused she was at first about it all. That little quirk of pacing aside, she's still a great main character (and looked just as good as Carmen as Chikaru did). Her personality is just wonderful, she's cute, and I really like her voice actress.

Hikari and Yaya are still an interesting pair, although I do have to wonder what Yaya will do as the series draws to a close. It's clear Hikari only sees Amane (who is... a cool person and all, but meh, boring =P), and while they've already done a small "Yaya loses it and grabs Hikari's boobies but then they cry and make up" storyline, but I can't believe that that's it for Yaya's personal romantic struggle. If anything, I was surprised they closed that up to cleanly already. I suppose they'll just open it again soon.

Tamao is still perhaps my favorite character, although she's sadly not going to be the one Nagisa ends up with. Even though she's soooo the best choice =P I love Tamao~! Much like Yaya, they're going to have to deal with her love for Nagisa soon enough. I don't think it will be as dramatic as Yaya's struggle, but they keep dropping hints that Tamao is increasingly distressed that the one she loves has her eyes on someone else. And of course, we have Shizuma stealing Nagisa away from Tamao, despite the fact that Tamao had the date set up first... Tamao sure takes it like a trooper, but damnit, she shouldn't have to! Oh well, she doesn't stand a chance against Shizuma. Poor Tamao =(

Tsubomi... she's going to get an episode or two focusing on her before the series ends. She's clearly got some sempai/kouhai affection going on, but it hasn't been dealt with explicitly yet. Seeing a pattern here? /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

Shizuma is, well, Shizuma. It's obvious that she and Nagisa will get center stage in the last episodes, so I imagine they have a lot to deal with when it comes to whoever it was in her past (that dead Etoile) that still haunts her. Anyway, they dropped a pretty good bomb midway through 17 about how you need two people to run as an Etoile. It makes sense (more setup for the yuri), but I wasn't expecting it.

So who is going to run from Miator? I agree that Tamao would be great, but I don't think she's interested in that sort of drama, and wouldn't want to run with anyone other than Nagisa. Nagisa would not be cut out for the role of Etoile, so I hope they don't go that direction at the end /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif I assume Rokujou is graduating as well (think they said as much), so she can't run, and I don't know who she'd run with anyway.

And man, is it just me, or do these character designers/animators really know how to turn on the sexy when needed? /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif Most of the time the girls are very thin, waif-like, and somewhat stylized (I sort of like the style actually, it makes them seem very thin without looking anorexic or anything). But when it's time for the sexxin (or Carmen outfit or bikinis)... ::thumbs up:: >_> <_<

This is definitely a show that could use a second season, were some of the characters not graduating. The primary appeal of this show is character interaction far more than plot (which, again, isn't bad -- I often prefer it), so I don't think they'd have a hard time extending the series. I don't know if there's more manga to go on though, or if they're even following it closely as it is. Either way, I predict I'll be reasonably content, but still left craving more after episode 26 concludes.

Spirit Of The Stage

07-29-2006, 07:25 AM

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disarm said:
So, I finally caught up with this. The two things that I must get out first:

Chikaru is goddamned hot. Damn she was looking good as Carmen XD

Hikari is a rape magnet. She needs to start carrying around pepper spray. Or packing heat >_> She can't go two steps without getting molested.

At any rate, I continue to love this show. The "evil Spica bitch lesbian duo" is getting a bit old (when is someone going to put them in their place once and for all, damnit?) but besides that it's gold. Easily the most lesboriffic show I've ever seen /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

Lets see, what else to comment on... Chikaru's henshin club members amuse me so. The thumb wrestling "make-out-and-disorient-you-no-jutsu" move that the one pulled on the other totally made my day (well, night).

Nagisa bounced back oddly fast after her, uh, "encounter" with Shizuma in the pool (and on the bed), considering how dazed and confused she was at first about it all. That little quirk of pacing aside, she's still a great main character (and looked just as good as Carmen as Chikaru did). Her personality is just wonderful, she's cute, and I really like her voice actress.

Hikari and Yaya are still an interesting pair, although I do have to wonder what Yaya will do as the series draws to a close. It's clear Hikari only sees Amane (who is... a cool person and all, but meh, boring =P), and while they've already done a small "Yaya loses it and grabs Hikari's boobies but then they cry and make up" storyline, but I can't believe that that's it for Yaya's personal romantic struggle. If anything, I was surprised they closed that up to cleanly already. I suppose they'll just open it again soon.

Tamao is still perhaps my favorite character, although she's sadly not going to be the one Nagisa ends up with. Even though she's soooo the best choice =P I love Tamao~! Much like Yaya, they're going to have to deal with her love for Nagisa soon enough. I don't think it will be as dramatic as Yaya's struggle, but they keep dropping hints that Tamao is increasingly distressed that the one she loves has her eyes on someone else. And of course, we have Shizuma stealing Nagisa away from Tamao, despite the fact that Tamao had the date set up first... Tamao sure takes it like a trooper, but damnit, she shouldn't have to! Oh well, she doesn't stand a chance against Shizuma. Poor Tamao =(

Tsubomi... she's going to get an episode or two focusing on her before the series ends. She's clearly got some sempai/kouhai affection going on, but it hasn't been dealt with explicitly yet. Seeing a pattern here? /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

Shizuma is, well, Shizuma. It's obvious that she and Nagisa will get center stage in the last episodes, so I imagine they have a lot to deal with when it comes to whoever it was in her past (that dead Etoile) that still haunts her. Anyway, they dropped a pretty good bomb midway through 17 about how you need two people to run as an Etoile. It makes sense (more setup for the yuri), but I wasn't expecting it.

So who is going to run from Miator? I agree that Tamao would be great, but I don't think she's interested in that sort of drama, and wouldn't want to run with anyone other than Nagisa. Nagisa would not be cut out for the role of Etoile, so I hope they don't go that direction at the end /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif I assume Rokujou is graduating as well (think they said as much), so she can't run, and I don't know who she'd run with anyway.

And man, is it just me, or do these character designers/animators really know how to turn on the sexy when needed? /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif Most of the time the girls are very thin, waif-like, and somewhat stylized (I sort of like the style actually, it makes them seem very thin without looking anorexic or anything). But when it's time for the sexxin (or Carmen outfit or bikinis)... ::thumbs up:: >_> <_<

This is definitely a show that could use a second season, were some of the characters not graduating. The primary appeal of this show is character interaction far more than plot (which, again, isn't bad -- I often prefer it), so I don't think they'd have a hard time extending the series. I don't know if there's more manga to go on though, or if they're even following it closely as it is. Either way, I predict I'll be reasonably content, but still left craving more after episode 26 concludes.

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Agreed with pretty much everything said there - Chikaru has rose to my favourite character (previously was Tamao-chan) as she is so selfless and un-bitchy like those Spica girls - (the look in Kuon's eyes after Chikaru got the lead in Carmen was priceless, and Rokujou subsequent putting her in her place as well). Shame she didn't finish the play but Nagisa was a very good substitute.

I hope that Yaya isn't forgotten - after the whole 'mix-up' (and that's putting it mildly) between her and Hikari she has faded into the background. Hopefully she'll get back into the story, perhaps aided by Tsubomi (probably my favourite other character...'WHY DON'T I GET THE SAME APPLAUSE? :p)

I agree with Chiyo thought that Tamao would be a good choice for Etoile. I guess it has never been thought of before (thanks to Amane and the evil lesbian duo) but honestly, I could see either Tamao or Chikaru as the new Etoile. Neither seems to have shown much interest in it, but both are elegant intelligent girls, with skills of an Etoile (Tamao with her writing and Chikaru with her designing) and considering the favourite Amane doesn't seem interested (and Kaname will hopefully get her come upance for all her attempts at attacking Hikari) and would probably just run away with Hikari, Tamao or Chikaru would be great. Question is of course, who would they pair with?

Anyway, this show after episode 12 has really heated up and has quickly turned into the hidden gem of 2006 for me. More please!

ohtori_akio

07-29-2006, 07:47 AM

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It would be hard to create the same tenseness that IMMSE created regarding Hibiki's situation all over again with the same characters after the ended that they left us with.

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I think the word you're after is "tension" here. This sentence makes me miss Jade from America's Next Top Model oh so much! (She made up words too) /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Suwako Moriya

07-29-2006, 10:04 AM

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Tamao is still perhaps my favorite character, although she's sadly not going to be the one Nagisa ends up with.

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Poor Tamao, there is no way she can compete with someone who just has to breathe next to Nagisa to make Nagisa well let's just say horny. Still they are making the Nagisa wants to be ravaged by Shizuma bit way too obvious. Bleh, I need to watch 16-17 a bit later. At least I did a bit of catch up and finished 14-15. Yes I'm behind on a lot.

something

07-29-2006, 11:38 AM

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I think the word you're after is "tension" here. This sentence makes me miss Jade from America's Next Top Model oh so much! (She made up words too) /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Fixing grammar is one thing,but you're seven months too late =P

golthin

07-29-2006, 12:20 PM

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Tamao is still perhaps my favorite character, although she's sadly not going to be the one Nagisa ends up with.

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Poor Tamao, there is no way she can compete with someone who just has to breathe next to Nagisa to make Nagisa well let's just say horny. Still they are making the Nagisa wants to be ravaged by Shizuma bit way too obvious. Bleh, I need to watch 16-17 a bit later. At least I did a bit of catch up and finished 14-15. Yes I'm behind on a lot.

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That is ok, let Shizuma have her for what is left of the school year, Tomoe gets to keep her for the next year. Nagisa is a second year student if my memory doesn't fail me as well as Tomoe.

Galt

07-29-2006, 12:38 PM

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The thumb wrestling "make-out-and-disorient-you-no-jutsu" move that the one pulled on the other totally made my day (well, night).

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Definitely the highlight for me in episode 15. Totally didn't expect it. I think I'll be using my current avatar for some time.

Galt

something

07-29-2006, 10:44 PM

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That is ok, let Shizuma have her for what is left of the school year, Tomoe gets to keep her for the next year. Nagisa is a second year student if my memory doesn't fail me as well as Tomoe.

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Tamao. And I do wonder what kind of drama will happen when Shizuma graduates, if the story carries on that far chronologically.

masterpez

07-29-2006, 10:51 PM

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And I do wonder what kind of drama will happen when Shizuma graduates, if the story carries on that far chronologically.

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I would hope that Nagisa would drop out of school so that she and Shizuma can elope....and live happily ever after. /images/graemlins/shy10000.gif I'm probably one of the few huge Shizuma fans here, however. I like her. For some reason, she reminds me of Sachiko.

On a side note, I was also one to become a huge Chikaru fan after seeing the episode with the play. I think she did a much better job as Carmen than Nagisa, as she had a lot more stage presense. Her black hair also went better with that dress.

something

07-29-2006, 10:55 PM

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I would hope that Nagisa would drop out of school so that she and Shizuma can elope....and live happily ever after. /images/graemlins/shy10000.gif I'm probably one of the few huge Shizuma fans here, however. I like her. For some reason, she reminds me of Sachiko.

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I don't dislike Shizuma at all. She's interesting, if a tad boring when she's not molesting Nagisa. It's just that I like Tamao and Chikaru and a few other characters a lot more.

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On a side note, I was also one to become a huge Chikaru fan after seeing the episode with the play. I think she did a much better job as Carmen than Nagisa, as she had a lot more stage presense. Her black hair also went better with that dress.

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Great casting choice on the part of Rokujou! But yeah... I was a theater tech for three years, so I know about bitchy actors. Damn Nagisa betrayed the backstage code by going on stage though =P Blasphemy! Stage crew is supposed to lurk in the darkness... But I'll forgive her, under the circumstances.

And because she looked so goddamned hot.

golthin

07-30-2006, 03:06 AM

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And I do wonder what kind of drama will happen when Shizuma graduates, if the story carries on that far chronologically.

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I wonder if Shizuma is an "Oyousama" and once she graduate her family has one of those famous "Oyousama" "Omiai" ready for her.

Fencedude

07-30-2006, 07:55 AM

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I wonder is Shizuma is an "Oyousama" and once she graduate her family has one of those famous "Oyousama" "Omiai" ready for her.

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"Ojousama"

...your spelling is really abandoning you in this topic isn't it?

jlazar

07-30-2006, 08:37 AM

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And I do wonder what kind of drama will happen when Shizuma graduates, if the story carries on that far chronologically.

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I wonder is Shizuma is an "Oyousama" and once she graduate her family has one of those famous "Oyousama" "Omiai" ready for her.

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That's assuming there are men in this world... I don't recall ever seeing one shown or even spoke about.

But I tend to ignore men when there are cute women around. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

masterpez

07-30-2006, 09:23 AM

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That's assuming there are men in this world... I don't recall ever seeing one shown or even spoke about.

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Amane and that one evil lesbian chick are probably as close to men as we're going to see in this series. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

something

08-07-2006, 10:19 PM

"There's only you and me here," she says. And then the "YOU GONNA GET RAPED" alarms went off in my head XD The two of them, all alone in the middle of nowhere in a huge villa during a huge rainstorm. The melodrama was piled on so thick in this episode, with the overly dramatic voice acting and conveniently times lightning strikes... and I loved it /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

I still can't believe the episode didn't end with them making violent love on top of the piano, but Shizuma was clearly trying to restrain herself. Seeing her breakdown and cry was certainly illuminating an aspect of her character we haven't seen.

But really, what's up with anime characters and running around sobbing in violent thunderstorms when they're sad? Especially when they aren't wearing anything remotely suitable >_> You just showered Nagisa, now you're all wet and muddy again =P Sheesh!

Anyway, what I want to know is how Nagisa got back. Didn't they have to take a car to get to the villa? /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif Anyway, this is where Tamao needs to sweep in and get Nagisa on the rebound! GO TAMAO! GO FOR THE KILL! The sexy, sexy kill.

Fencedude

08-08-2006, 09:25 AM

I HATED this episode.

HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE

Splitter

08-08-2006, 09:38 AM

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I HATED this episode.

HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE

[/ QUOTE ]After the crap they pulled last week, they better explain what the hell is up with the other Etoile and not some more sappy melodrama that never goes anywhere!... or, at the very leastm Tamao getting Nagisa on the rebound (which is what I've wanted to see since the very beginning) ^_^

golthin

08-08-2006, 09:41 AM

Wow! "Viva la Yuri". this episode was just a yuri fest.
POOR Miyuki, she is so a good friend. For those that have been waiting for some Yuri, episode 19 has it all. This episode finally tells the story of Shizuma, Kaori and Miyuki. IT is /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif and at the same time /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif. Next episode is Confession, I wonder who is going to confess to whom.

Splitter

08-08-2006, 09:47 AM

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Wow! "Viva la Yuri". this episode was just a yuri fest.
POOR Miyuki, she is so a good friend. For those that have been waiting for some Yuri, episode 19 has it all. This episode finally tells the story of Shizuma, Kaori and Miyuki. IT is /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif and at the same time /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif. Next episode is Confession, I wonder who is going to confess to whom.

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Wait... we didn't already have yuri? Or do you mean we finally have uninterrupted yuri?

TheGreenMan

08-08-2006, 09:48 AM

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golthin said:
Wow! "Viva la Yuri". this episode was just a yuri fest.
POOR Miyuki, she is so a good friend. For those that have been waiting for some Yuri, episode 19 has it all. This episode finally tells the story of Shizuma, Kaori and Miyuki. IT is /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif and at the same time /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif. Next episode is Confession, I wonder who is going to confess to whom.

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Oh yes, I saw the yummy screen caps on the blogs. Shizuma and Kaori embracing each other's naked bodies in the grass. /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif I mean, damn, that's hot. I wonder who'll confess in the next episode.

golthin

08-08-2006, 09:52 AM

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golthin said:
Wow! "Viva la Yuri". this episode was just a yuri fest.
POOR Miyuki, she is so a good friend. For those that have been waiting for some Yuri, episode 19 has it all. This episode finally tells the story of Shizuma, Kaori and Miyuki. IT is /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif and at the same time /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif. Next episode is Confession, I wonder who is going to confess to whom.

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Wait... we didn't already have yuri? Or do you mean we finally have uninterrupted yuri?

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Nah! Not with Shizuma, we had some with those two lesbians, but they don't count in my book /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Splitter

08-08-2006, 09:58 AM

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Splitter said:
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golthin said:
Wow! "Viva la Yuri". this episode was just a yuri fest.
POOR Miyuki, she is so a good friend. For those that have been waiting for some Yuri, episode 19 has it all. This episode finally tells the story of Shizuma, Kaori and Miyuki. IT is /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif and at the same time /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif. Next episode is Confession, I wonder who is going to confess to whom.

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Wait... we didn't already have yuri? Or do you mean we finally have uninterrupted yuri?

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Nah! Not with Shizuma, we had some with those two lesbians, but they don't count in my book /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[/ QUOTE ]I don't count them either. That's just too easy. But then there was that one moment back in Shizuma's room in Ep. 12...

As for "Confession", oh the possibilities...

Nork22

08-10-2006, 06:12 PM

So that's the Etoile ceremony....

Anyway this episode reminds me of "Forest of Thorns" story arc in Maria-sama ga Miteru. The one off character, the tragic love story, the fall of the outright lesbian. The only thing that's better than Maria-sama's was the "lets get it on scene".

Still this is some great Yuri!! /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Fencedude

08-10-2006, 06:33 PM

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golthin said:
Wow! "Viva la Yuri". this episode was just a yuri fest.
POOR Miyuki, she is so a good friend. For those that have been waiting for some Yuri, episode 19 has it all. This episode finally tells the story of Shizuma, Kaori and Miyuki. IT is /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif and at the same time /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif. Next episode is Confession, I wonder who is going to confess to whom.

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Don't tell me you actually CRIED at this episode did you?

Please, this was so...so...TRITE! Kaori had no personality past being "generic sick girl", and the only remotely sad part of the episode was Rokujou sitting alone in her room while Shizuma and Kaori were out screwing each other.

jlazar

08-10-2006, 07:14 PM

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Don't tell me you actually CRIED at this episode did you?

Please, this was so...so...TRITE! Kaori had no personality past being "generic sick girl", and the only remotely sad part of the episode was Rokujou sitting alone in her room while Shizuma and Kaori were out screwing each other.

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Yeah, I was a bit disappointed at the Kaori backstory too. It might have been lack of time to really explore her personality and spend more time on their relationship, but still wasn't that emotional to me.

It might have been better to let bits of the backstory out over several episodes than concentrating it all in this episode (they did do some bits here and there, but this was the primary episode where we really saw the details and it fell flat).

musouka

08-10-2006, 07:48 PM

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Yeah, I was a bit disappointed at the Kaori backstory too. It might have been lack of time to really explore her personality and spend more time on their relationship, but still wasn't that emotional to me.

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The problem is that this show works in character shorthand. Kaori is Sickly, and that's all we need to know about her, as she's exactly like every other sweet girl that will die within a few months. Shizuma is Angsty and Slutty so we all know that she's resolving issues over her one twu wuv's death. Nagisa is Dumb as a Post, so we know she has the purity of heart to heal Shizuma's wounds. The show refuses to try to break out of these stereotypes in any way, shape or form.

Also, I didn't really get what Shizuma's big connection to Kaori was. Unless it was, as I said to Fence, the fact that Kaori had the most attractive character design out of all the girls on the show, so Shizuma knows she'll never get anyone hotter.

Kaori would have actually been an interesting character if they had bothered to show her frightened, sad, or angry over her imminent death. Then it would have been more of a tragedy instead of that incredibly trite and annoying "Oh, she was sooooo strong! She never cried! She just sat there like the blow up doll she was!"

Nork22

08-10-2006, 08:47 PM

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Kaori would have actually been an interesting character if they had bothered to show her frightened, sad, or angry over her imminent death. Then it would have been more of a tragedy instead of that incredibly trite and annoying "Oh, she was sooooo strong! She never cried! She just sat there like the blow up doll she was!"

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You want the characters to be more interesting when the show itself is a bed full of cliches? I felt more for Shizuma than Kaori in this one much like I felt for Sei more than Shiori (Maria-sama).

musouka

08-10-2006, 08:56 PM

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You want the characters to be more interesting when the show itself is a bed full of cliches? I felt more for Shizuma than Kaori in this one much like I felt for Sei more than Shiori (Maria-sama).

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Uh, yeah, if the show is cliched it should at least work on trying to make the characters engaging.

As for Shizuma, perhaps I would have felt more for her if I understood why she was so in love with Kaori. The only hint we really got was Rokujou telling her that she was pretty and Shizuma's type, leading me to assume that Shizuma liked her because she looked like a gothloli vampire, not because there was actually something interesting and engaging about Kaori.

evilarrex

08-10-2006, 09:17 PM

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As for Shizuma, perhaps I would have felt more for her if I understood why she was so in love with Kaori. The only hint we really got was Rokujou telling her that she was pretty and Shizuma's type, leading me to assume that Shizuma liked her because she looked like a gothloli vampire, not because there was actually something interesting and engaging about Kaori.

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Isn't that enough? She just knows Shizuma's fets! /images/graemlins/devil.gif

Nork22

08-10-2006, 10:56 PM

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Why do they need a reason? Kaori's pretty and that's it. Pretty simple. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

something

08-10-2006, 11:22 PM

Rokujou looks good with that slightly longer hair she had three years back... Somehow, she's ten times more adorable. In any case, I guess it seems like sort of a weird thing to comment on, but I very much enjoyed the way they handled the flashback. I'm talking about the little details here and there... personalities were different, but not too much. Appearances were different, but not drastically. It just felt very apporiate as a whole, and it really did seem like "just three years ago", as opposed to many anime flashbacks that just seem to exaggerate things too much.

Also, Shizuma getting Rokujou all hot and bothered = win!

The whole "I'm gonna tell ya about the other Etoile... oh yeah I'm gonna... I really am... OH SNAP she ran away" deal with the previous episode didn't bother me much because I knew they wouldn't make us wait much longer for the details. I can see how it was frustrating and all, but I found the episode too humorous and overdone to hate XD

In any event, this episode was great, both on its own and as much anticipated backstory. And for the Kaori/Shizuma makeout scene under the tree XD Poor Rokujou though... I see now that she can understand Tamao's pain. Maybe she and Tamao can get together as a "third wheel couple" of sorts =P

I love Kaori's eyes. That red is so lively, yet so sad...

In the end I think I'm glad Nagisa heard it all from Rokujou. It just... seems appropriate somehow, and now that it's happened I can't imagine it happening any other way, including coming from Shizuma. As for next episode, it should be interesting to see what that's all about... Confession? Tamao to Nagisa? How will that turn out? /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif Or is it something else? Can't wait to find out.

This show just gets better and better. Needs more Chikaru and her henshin club though.

TheGreenMan

08-11-2006, 01:29 PM

Here are my thoughts about the future episodes:

Nagisa will end up with Shizuma, but since Shizuma is graduating, she can't be Etoile anymore. Nagisa will be part of the next Etoile (because of her alturistic personality), but who'll be her partner? That's where Tamao comes in. I believe the Etoile have to be good friends, right? Maybe the Etoile ceremony will be between Shizuma and Nagisa as a symbolic gesture, but Nagisa and Tamao will end up being the next Etoile (because Shizuma will be out of school). It kind of parallels the Shizuma/Kaori/Miyuki story. Miyuki ended up helping Shizuma because Kaori died and Tamao will be doing the same with Nagisa because Shizuma will have left the school.

golthin

08-11-2006, 02:06 PM

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Here are my thoughts about the future episodes:

Nagisa will end up with Shizuma, but since Shizuma is graduating, she can't be Etoile anymore. Nagisa will be part of the next Etoile (because of her alturistic personality), but who'll be her partner? That's where Tamao comes in. I believe the Etoile have to be good friends, right? Maybe the Etoile ceremony will be between Shizuma and Nagisa as a symbolic gesture, but Nagisa and Tamao will end up being the next Etoile (because Shizuma will be out of school). It kind of parallels the Shizuma/Kaori/Miyuki story. Miyuki ended up helping Shizuma because Kaori died and Tamao will be doing the same with Nagisa because Shizuma will have left the school.

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Yeah, They only have 6 months left together, so it is all good.

Rhodes

08-11-2006, 02:12 PM

Dont forget Miyuki is also graduating. So if you want a true parallel... you will need Tamao to be the next student council president and Chiyao to be Etoile with Nagisa. And I dont see that happening.

musouka

08-11-2006, 02:40 PM

Or maybe a pair of girls from another school will get the Etoile position instead of shoving Tamao into a role she doesn't seem particularly interested in. I'm sure there has to be some reason why Hikari and Amane are even in the show...

TheGreenMan

08-15-2006, 07:47 AM

Looks like Tamao finally did it--too bad Nagisa was asleep when she did it. Doh. Got to love the Le Lim girls, Chiyo, and Tsubomi, they're so sweet. And we get a cute shot of Remon and Kizuna in bed together-I knew those two were a couple (or least very close). I read some of the episode summaries and it looks like I'm right about who'll be the Etoile canidates from Miater Tamao and Nagisa. I hope they can wrap this series up in six episodes. They better clear up Nagisa, Shizuma, and Yaya's issues.

They really shoul make an OVA starring the Le Lim girls. That would be awesome. They kind of get left out of the series most of the time.

Splitter

08-16-2006, 10:06 PM

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Looks like Tamao finally did it--too bad Nagisa was asleep when she did it. Doh. Got to love the Le Lim girls, Chiyo, and Tsubomi, they're so sweet. And we get a cute shot of Remon and Kizuna in bed together-I knew those two were a couple (or least very close). I read some of the episode summaries and it looks like I'm right about who'll be the Etoile canidates from Miater Tamao and Nagisa. I hope they can wrap this series up in six episodes. They better clear up Nagisa, Shizuma, and Yaya's issues.

They really shoul make an OVA starring the Le Lim girls. That would be awesome. They kind of get left out of the series most of the time.

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This was one of my favorite episodes yet. The Le Rim trio and Tsubomi-chan all got a lot of well-deserved screentime, but the one that really stole the show this time was Kagome-chan. Man, she was just SOOOOOOOOOO sweet! When she asked Nagisa if she wanted to cry, I couldn't help but get a little misty-eyed.

But the big news for this episode by far is that Tamao said she loved Nagisa! Shame she didn't hear her though. Isn't that how it always is? Shizuma/Nagisa should definitely be wrapping up soon. It sure doesn't look like Nagisa has the strength to go through with being Shizuma's silver medal, though honestly, I think it's Miyuki that's gonna be the one that Shizuma ends up with. After all, she's been with Shizuma since the very beginning.

On the Spica side of things, Hikari/Amane is practically set in stone and I'm almost positive they'll represent Spica in the Etoile selections, but I really want them to resolve Yaya before all that. They've already proven that even after what happened between her and Hikari a few episodes back is anything but over and I hate watching her suffer every single episode like this.

And when are the evil lesbians going to come out with their ultimate final stage of their plan! Get on with it!

MAN I LOVE THIS SHOW!!!

TheGreenMan

08-17-2006, 06:33 AM

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TheGreenMan said:
Looks like Tamao finally did it--too bad Nagisa was asleep when she did it. Doh. Got to love the Le Lim girls, Chiyo, and Tsubomi, they're so sweet. And we get a cute shot of Remon and Kizuna in bed together-I knew those two were a couple (or least very close). I read some of the episode summaries and it looks like I'm right about who'll be the Etoile canidates from Miater Tamao and Nagisa. I hope they can wrap this series up in six episodes. They better clear up Nagisa, Shizuma, and Yaya's issues.

They really shoul make an OVA starring the Le Lim girls. That would be awesome. They kind of get left out of the series most of the time.

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But the big news for this episode by far is that Tamao said she loved Nagisa! Shame she didn't hear her though. Isn't that how it always is? Shizuma/Nagisa should definitely be wrapping up soon. It sure doesn't look like Nagisa has the strength to go through with being Shizuma's silver medal, though honestly, I think it's Miyuki that's gonna be the one that Shizuma ends up with. After all, she's been with Shizuma since the very beginning.

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Miyuki ending up with Shizuma won't happen. They spend all that time building up NagisaxShizuma and they're not going to do the opposite. Nagisa will pull a Himeko.

Splitter

08-17-2006, 08:27 AM

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Splitter said:
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TheGreenMan said:
Looks like Tamao finally did it--too bad Nagisa was asleep when she did it. Doh. Got to love the Le Lim girls, Chiyo, and Tsubomi, they're so sweet. And we get a cute shot of Remon and Kizuna in bed together-I knew those two were a couple (or least very close). I read some of the episode summaries and it looks like I'm right about who'll be the Etoile canidates from Miater Tamao and Nagisa. I hope they can wrap this series up in six episodes. They better clear up Nagisa, Shizuma, and Yaya's issues.

They really shoul make an OVA starring the Le Lim girls. That would be awesome. They kind of get left out of the series most of the time.

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But the big news for this episode by far is that Tamao said she loved Nagisa! Shame she didn't hear her though. Isn't that how it always is? Shizuma/Nagisa should definitely be wrapping up soon. It sure doesn't look like Nagisa has the strength to go through with being Shizuma's silver medal, though honestly, I think it's Miyuki that's gonna be the one that Shizuma ends up with. After all, she's been with Shizuma since the very beginning.

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Miyuki ending up with Shizuma won't happen. They spend all that time building up NagisaxShizuma and they're not going to do the opposite. Nagisa will pull a Himeko.

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How the hell can Tamao and Nagisa be Etoile then if Nagisa decides on Shizuma? And what's "pulling a Himeko". Lesbian has something done to her that makes her uber-sad, and then she gets all happy again and goes after the girl that made her sad in the first place? Look at it this way, Shizuma is GRADUATING. What point is there for Nagisa, who will still have two years left at Miatre, to go after someone who's just gonna leave her in the next few months? She may want Shizuma, but it's just not logical.

TheGreenMan

08-17-2006, 11:00 AM

By pulling a Himeko. i meant that (spoilers for Kannazuki no Miko-read at your own risk!) Nagisa was going to do like what Himeko said and did to Chikane in the last episode. By pulling a Himeko, I believe that Nagisa will imitate Himeko's actions with Shizuma (e.g. Nagisa will kiss a downtrodden Shizuma and confess her love). Besides, they could carry a romance outside of school, or Shizuma could wait for Nagisa to graduate, or Nagisa will simply help Shizuma become herself again and not continue their romance) or something I could be wrong. I want to see the end of this series so badly, but I wonder if they can fix everything in six episodes. If they can resolve Shizuma, Nagisa, Tamao The fact that she confessed and kissed Nagisa while Nagisa is still sleeping does not bode well at all--it's foreshadowing for "Tamao's screwed." /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif, Yaya (please find someone else Yaya! Hikari's is an idiot), and Miyuki's issues.

golthin

08-17-2006, 12:14 PM

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By pulling a Himeko. i meant that (spoilers for Kannazuki no Miko-read at your own risk!) Nagisa was going to do like what Himeko said and did to Chikane in the last episode. By pulling a Himeko, I believe that Nagisa will imitate Himeko's actions with Shizuma (e.g. Nagisa will kiss a downtrodden Shizuma and confess her love). Besides, they could carry a romance outside of school, or Shizuma could wait for Nagisa to graduate, or Nagisa will simply help Shizuma become herself again and not continue their romance) or something I could be wrong. I want to see the end of this series so badly, but I wonder if they can fix everything in six episodes. If they can resolve Shizuma, Nagisa, Tamao The fact that she confessed and kissed Nagisa while Nagisa is still sleeping does not bode well at all--it's foreshadowing for "Tamao's screwed." /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif, Yaya (please find someone else Yaya! Hikari's is an idiot), and Miyuki's issues.

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Yaya, and Tomao are the secrifice lambs in this series. It is too bad because I like both of them. that is how this show screw with you, the characters you actually like never get the girl.

something

08-17-2006, 11:52 PM

Well, good episode here... even if I was hoping for a more direct confession /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif Still, the next episode preview was all the more amusing because of it.

Looks like more Kaori in the next episode, strangely enough. I figured they'd be done with that, but then again it might just be a very short flashback and Shizuma continues to struggle and whatnot.

But this episode was better than the last few because it has more Tamao and the henshin club girls =D Now we just wait and see what the heck Hikari and Yaya are going to do /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

something

08-17-2006, 11:59 PM

So, can I read your post and the ones after safely, or does it talk about things past this episode/from the manga?

Gotta leave SOMETHING outside the spoiler tags or I have no idea if it's safe or not.

Fencedude

08-18-2006, 08:04 AM

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Looks like more Kaori in the next episode, strangely enough. I figured they'd be done with that, but then again it might just be a very short flashback and Shizuma continues to struggle and whatnot.

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As a friend of mine said, "she's like a fungus that just won't go away"

Ah well, I guess one more episode with the vampire can't hurt.

Fencedude

08-18-2006, 08:06 AM

*looks*

Its just speculation. Don't really know why they tagged it.

Also...its Stopani! Who CARES about spoilers? Are you actually watching this for the plot?

Splitter

08-18-2006, 09:15 AM

Well, as long as they aren't relationship spoilers... oh who am I kidding, even THOSE are practically set in stone! If it isn't painfull obvious to everyone that Hikari wants to have Amane's strap-on inside of her, I don't know what is.

Yaya and Tamao do look to be kicked to the curb... I really hope they find someone other than the dumber-than-a-sack-of-lead girls they've fallen for.

something

08-18-2006, 11:32 AM

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Also...its Stopani! Who CARES about spoilers? Are you actually watching this for the plot?

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Meh, just because it isn't a masterpiece of storytelling doesn't mean I don't want to let it do things at its own pace. So yes, I'm interested in the plot as well.

musouka

08-18-2006, 02:14 PM

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Yaya and Tamao do look to be kicked to the curb... I really hope they find someone other than the dumber-than-a-sack-of-lead girls they've fallen for.

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If the girls they've fallen for are dumb, what does that make them?

I have no pity for the "Ohh, I love you so much I just HAD to force myself on you" and the "I know you're not interested in me, so I'll wait until you're asleep before forcing a kiss on you" duo. Especially with Tamao's lame little sob story about how she "had to go without a roommate for three years and it was soooo hard, boohoo boohoo...but now she's finally got someone to creepily obsess over!"

Who can blame the two other "stupid" girls for going for people that are kind or actually display interest in them, as opposed to two desperate ones trying to worm their way under their skirts through "friendship".

Fencedude

08-18-2006, 03:37 PM

While you have a point with Yaya-Hikari-Amane, Shizuma's just as creepy as Tamao.

TheGreenMan

08-18-2006, 04:45 PM

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Yaya and Tamao do look to be kicked to the curb... I really hope they find someone other than the dumber-than-a-sack-of-lead girls they've fallen for.

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If the girls they've fallen for are dumb, what does that make them?

I have no pity for the "Ohh, I love you so much I just HAD to force myself on you" and the "I know you're not interested in me, so I'll wait until you're asleep before forcing a kiss on you" duo. Especially with Tamao's lame little sob story about how she "had to go without a roommate for three years and it was soooo hard, boohoo boohoo...but now she's finally got someone to creepily obsess over!"

Who can blame the two other "stupid" girls for going for people that are kind or actually display interest in them, as opposed to two desperate ones trying to worm their way under their skirts through "friendship".

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That's a little harsh. Tamao and Yaya honestly love Nagisa and Hikari, but this is a romance/comedy/drama anime, so there must be love triangles/squares/octogons/webs...

musouka

08-18-2006, 05:52 PM

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While you have a point with Yaya-Hikari-Amane, Shizuma's just as creepy as Tamao.

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Shizuma would be several times creepier than Tamao if it wasn't for the fact that her intentions towards Nagisa are as clear as a pane of glass. (in other words, she's the "makes it clear she's interested" part, Amane is the "kind" part) Tamao, on the other hand, hides her intentions behind "friendship".

I agree that Tamao is an actual friend to Nagisa, but I don't think you can deny that she also uses it as a shield to hide her "Operation: Have Sex With Nagisa" plans. She uses Nagisa's innocence with less than pure intentions quite often. That's why I can't feel too terribly sorry for her when Nagisa gravitates towards the girl that's honest and upfront about her attraction as opposed to the one that's too gutless to take a chance.

Fencedude

08-18-2006, 06:02 PM

It comes down to this.

Would Nagisa rather be used for sex by a friend who loves her, or be used for sex by someone who sees her as a substitute for her dead lover?

musouka

08-18-2006, 06:17 PM

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Would Nagisa rather be used for sex by a friend who loves her, or be used for sex by someone who sees her as a substitute for her dead lover?

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Or, would Nagisa rather be used for sex by someone dishonest about their motives, or by someone that is upfront about their issues? /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Fencedude

08-18-2006, 06:29 PM

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Would Nagisa rather be used for sex by a friend who loves her, or be used for sex by someone who sees her as a substitute for her dead lover?

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Or, would Nagisa rather be used for sex by someone dishonest about their motives, or by someone that is upfront about their issues? /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Pft. You don't support Nagisa/Shizuma any more than I do.

musouka

08-18-2006, 07:23 PM

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Pft. You don't support Nagisa/Shizuma any more than I do.

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True. Though, I don't support anyone...in the anime at least. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

I just get rather sick of the argument that Yaya and Tamao DESERVE Hikari/Nagisa simply because they want them, and therefore Hikari/Nagisa are stupid idiots for simply not returning their affections. As I'm sure we'd all be tickled pink to discover our same sex friend that we weren't attracted to wanted to sex us up and wasn't afraid to either grope us without our permission or kiss us when we couldn't say no.

Splitter

08-18-2006, 08:03 PM

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Pft. You don't support Nagisa/Shizuma any more than I do.

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True. Though, I don't support anyone...in the anime at least. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

I just get rather sick of the argument that Yaya and Tamao DESERVE Hikari/Nagisa simply because they want them, and therefore Hikari/Nagisa are stupid idiots for simply not returning their affections. As I'm sure we'd all be tickled pink to discover our same sex friend that we weren't attracted to wanted to sex us up and wasn't afraid to either grope us without our permission or kiss us when we couldn't say no.

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Hikari and Nagisa are not stupid idiots just because they don't return affection. Hikari is dead-set on Amane and has made that immensely clear to Yaya, and as much as Yaya doesn't want to admit that, that's how Hikari feels and Yaya will eventually have to accept that. Besides, Hikari pushed her off once, so I'd think Yaya would be smarter than to try again. And I still think the only reason Hikari wants to be with Amane is because she knows Amane won't rape her.

As far as Nagisa/Tamao/Shizuma goes, I still support Nagisa/Tamao. Shizuma has made it blatantly clear that to her, Nagisa is just a replacement for Kaori, and that's GOT to hurt. I don't blame her at all for feeling the way she does. Now as far as Tamao goes, it could be that people are looking WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much into it. Tamao has never openly shown signs that she wants to molest Nagisa outside of Ep. 1, and even then I can chalk that up to she was just REALLY happy to have someone she can spend all her time with at last, and it's becoming clearer that she is afraid that Nagisa will leave her for Shizuma and she will be alone again. Yes, Tamao's clingy, but that doesn't make her horny. Nagisa/Tamao all the way.

RZetlin

08-18-2006, 09:22 PM

After 2 episodes. Please tell me there's more to this story than kisses that never happen. I want girl on girl action! Does it get better?

Fencedude

08-18-2006, 09:38 PM

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After 2 episodes. Please tell me there's more to this story than kisses that never happen. I want girl on girl action! Does it get better?

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Well, there's more to it than that, and you do get actual Girl-Girl loving...but "better"?

I really don't know if thats a word that can be accurately applied to StoPani.

RZetlin

08-18-2006, 09:40 PM

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Well, there's more to it than that, and you do get actual Girl-Girl loving...but "better"?

I really don't know if thats a word that can be accurately applied to StoPani.

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But is there Girl on Girl kissing? Or hugging?

Fencedude

08-18-2006, 09:42 PM

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Well, there's more to it than that, and you do get actual Girl-Girl loving...but "better"?

I really don't know if thats a word that can be accurately applied to StoPani.

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But is there Girl on Girl kissing? Or hugging?

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Is lesbian sex in the bathtub and under a tree good enough?

Splitter

08-18-2006, 10:05 PM

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Well, there's more to it than that, and you do get actual Girl-Girl loving...but "better"?

I really don't know if thats a word that can be accurately applied to StoPani.

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But is there Girl on Girl kissing? Or hugging?

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Is lesbian sex in the bathtub and under a tree good enough?

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How about attempted lesbian rape in the forest while another girl watches?

Oh yeah, StoPani goes far beyond kisses that never happen.

something

08-18-2006, 11:35 PM

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Yes, Tamao's clingy, but that doesn't make her horny. Nagisa/Tamao all the way.

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Damn straight. Tamao is by far my favorite character in this show. I don't mind Nagisa/Shizuma per se, but I would so much rather see Tamao get with Nagisa.

musouka

08-19-2006, 12:13 AM

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And I still think the only reason Hikari wants to be with Amane is because she knows Amane won't rape her.

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I'm going to be kind and assume that's a joke.

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Yes, Tamao's clingy, but that doesn't make her horny.

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Look, the "Tamao-the-molester" inferences were humorous hyperbole on my part. Kinda like how I refer to Hikari as "Hikarape-bait". It seems that by focusing on that, you have glossed over other, more grounded aspects of my argument.

Tamao misconstrues her attraction to Nagisa as friendship, knowing that she is attracted to her. That is creepy. It is creepy because she isn't being honest with Nagisa about her intentions. Yes, those intentions could possibly not include getting Nagisa to sleep with her at one point. And the moon could possibly be made of green cheese. (Note that I didn't say that sleeping with Nagisa is all she's interested in)

It is creepy that she confessed to Nagisa and kissed her while she was asleep. C-R-E-E-P-Y. At least Yaya-the-groper came out with her feelings and faced rejection; at least Hikari could make it clear that it wasn't something she wanted from Yaya. It is creepy that Tamao couldn't seem to make a friend within three years unless they were confined together with her. It's creepy that she has made that one friend--who could have been anyone--the main focal point of her life at school.

Don't get me wrong, as Fence pointed out, I'm not a Shizuma/Nagisa fan. At all. In fact, if you threatened me with hot pokers and forced me to choose, I'd probably choose Tamao/Nagisa. That still doesn't NOT make it the lesser of two evils.

golthin

08-19-2006, 01:53 AM

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Splitter said:
Yes, Tamao's clingy, but that doesn't make her horny. Nagisa/Tamao all the way.

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Damn straight. Tamao is by far my favorite character in this show. I don't mind Nagisa/Shizuma per se, but I would so much rather see Tamao get with Nagisa.

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I also vote for Tamao, I think we need as poll to see who is our favorite girl. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Splitter

08-19-2006, 10:20 AM

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disarm said:
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Yes, Tamao's clingy, but that doesn't make her horny. Nagisa/Tamao all the way.

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Damn straight. Tamao is by far my favorite character in this show. I don't mind Nagisa/Shizuma per se, but I would so much rather see Tamao get with Nagisa.

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I also vote for Tamao, I think we need as poll to see who is our favorite girl. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Well, if it's favorite girl, then Tamao's second place. All my love goes to Chikaru ^_^

TheGreenMan

08-19-2006, 10:53 AM

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Well, if it's favorite girl, then Tamao's second place. All my love goes to Chikaru ^_^

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Yeah, she doesn't get enough screen time, even though she's the most awesome character in the series. The Le Lim girls and she need an OVA all to themselves. DO YOU HEAR ME STRAPANI CREATORS?! OVA! OVA!

Teiresias

08-22-2006, 10:08 AM

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Splitter said:
And I still think the only reason Hikari wants to be with Amane is because she knows Amane won't rape her.

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I'm going to be kind and assume that's a joke.

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Splitter said:
Yes, Tamao's clingy, but that doesn't make her horny.

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Look, the "Tamao-the-molester" inferences were humorous hyperbole on my part. Kinda like how I refer to Hikari as "Hikarape-bait". It seems that by focusing on that, you have glossed over other, more grounded aspects of my argument.

Tamao misconstrues her attraction to Nagisa as friendship, knowing that she is attracted to her. That is creepy. It is creepy because she isn't being honest with Nagisa about her intentions. Yes, those intentions could possibly not include getting Nagisa to sleep with her at one point. And the moon could possibly be made of green cheese. (Note that I didn't say that sleeping with Nagisa is all she's interested in)

It is creepy that she confessed to Nagisa and kissed her while she was asleep. C-R-E-E-P-Y. At least Yaya-the-groper came out with her feelings and faced rejection; at least Hikari could make it clear that it wasn't something she wanted from Yaya. It is creepy that Tamao couldn't seem to make a friend within three years unless they were confined together with her. It's creepy that she has made that one friend--who could have been anyone--the main focal point of her life at school.

Don't get me wrong, as Fence pointed out, I'm not a Shizuma/Nagisa fan. At all. In fact, if you threatened me with hot pokers and forced me to choose, I'd probably choose Tamao/Nagisa. That still doesn't NOT make it the lesser of two evils.

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***SPOILERS--READ AT OWN RISK***
Sorry to step in late--just watched 20. Recognizing that you referred to your Tamao characterization as humorously meant, I'd still like to address it. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

Your portrayal of the "creepy Tamao" is incredibly cynical. Another interpretation of her actions could be that she is purposely holding back from announcing her feelings to Nagisa as she recognizes that Nagisa is not ready for additional emotional baggage. She is, after all, trying to be supportive--as evidenced by her overt actions.

As to the question of Tamao hiding her feelings behind the friend facade, don't millions of would-be lovers do this everyday? It's a standard romantic triangle plot device, and is hardly considered "creepy" in any of those other situations.

Frankly, I think your statements are merely meant to be provocative. Tamao has done absolutely nothing that even smacks of creepiness to me. So she kissed Nagisa on the cheek while she slept, and confessed her love to the sleeping Nagisa. My God, she's a perv! Who ya kidding? /images/graemlins/knowital.gif

edited for typo.

eobert

08-22-2006, 10:37 AM

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Frankly, I think your statements are merely meant to be provocative. Tamao has done absolutely nothing that even smacks of creepiness to me. So she kissed Nagisa on the cheek while she slept, and confessed her love to the sleeping Nagisa. My God, she's a perv! Who ya kidding?

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While I'm in the NagisaxTamao camp, Tamao did purposefully scare Nagisa just to record her screams to add to her collection. That was kinda creepy.

Splitter

08-22-2006, 11:22 AM

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Eobert said:
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Frankly, I think your statements are merely meant to be provocative. Tamao has done absolutely nothing that even smacks of creepiness to me. So she kissed Nagisa on the cheek while she slept, and confessed her love to the sleeping Nagisa. My God, she's a perv! Who ya kidding?

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While I'm in the NagisaxTamao camp, Tamao did purposefully scare Nagisa just to record her screams to add to her collection. That was kinda creepy.

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And then there's that infamous "I didn't need to measure you for your uniform, I just did it because I wanted to know your various sizes."

Tamao does go overboard sometimes, but not as often as people think. Actually, she's calmed down quite a bit as of recently.

golthin

08-22-2006, 12:38 PM

this is a MiyukiXShizuma episode. We get a juicy kiss between Miyuki and Shizuma and then a slap, at the end I got the impression that Miyuki was actually in love with Kaori and not with Shizuma. They find a letter from Kaori to Shizuma in the Etoile pendant's case where they keep Kaori's pendant. After Shizuma reads the letter who is just Kaorio asking Shizuma to go on living without her, Miyuki starts crying and calling Kaori's name, this is when Shizuma finally realizes that Miyuki also was in love with Kaori and why she was always be her side. Shiuzuma finally returns the etoile pendant thus allowing the start of a new Etoile selection. This was a good episode because we finally got some MiyukixShizuma service /images/graemlins/happy.gif. This also opens the door for a NagisaxShizuma reconciliation if we go by the previews for episode 22.

Teiresias

08-22-2006, 01:40 PM

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Eobert said:
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Frankly, I think your statements are merely meant to be provocative. Tamao has done absolutely nothing that even smacks of creepiness to me. So she kissed Nagisa on the cheek while she slept, and confessed her love to the sleeping Nagisa. My God, she's a perv! Who ya kidding?

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While I'm in the NagisaxTamao camp, Tamao did purposefully scare Nagisa just to record her screams to add to her collection. That was kinda creepy.

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I found it cute! Funny how differently people interpret things... /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Teiresias

08-22-2006, 01:46 PM

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Splitter said:

And then there's that infamous "I didn't need to measure you for your uniform, I just did it because I wanted to know your various sizes."

Tamao does go overboard sometimes, but not as often as people think. Actually, she's calmed down quite a bit as of recently.

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When I was a kid, there was a brief period when I ran around and tried to measure girls' busts. A couple of them smacked me for it, and a couple told me that I underestimated the numbers! /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif It seemed like normal kid sexualizing to me. Of course, in the age of PC, it's a felony. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Edited for typos.

Rhodes

08-22-2006, 02:38 PM

Tamao is a stalker but she is open about it and it gets read as just her being funny and friendly.

helps that the object of her affections is naive and also her roommate.

the way its presented is cute.

the things she do to Nagisa if done by a guy would be called perverted and distrubing. But hey she's a cute girl and its all ok. Sides this show is all about yuri so its to be expected.

golthin

08-22-2006, 02:42 PM

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Rhodes said:
Tamao is a stalker but she is open about it and it gets read as just her being funny and friendly.

helps that the object of her affections is naive and also her roommate.

the way its presented is cute.

the things she do to Nagisa if done by a guy would be called perverted and distrubing. But hey she's a cute girl and its all ok. Sides this show is all about yuri so its to be expected.

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We forgot that this is an alternate universe where men don't exist. this must be one of the "other worlds" from Simoun. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

Rhodes

08-22-2006, 03:13 PM

no men exist in this world... Miyuki is slated to marry once she graduates... no pic of the guy just a big dark shadowy figure behind her.

golthin

08-22-2006, 03:38 PM

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Rhodes said:
no men exist in this world... Miyuki is slated to marry once she graduates... no pic of the guy just a big dark shadowy figure behind her.

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What episode did that happen? I must have missed that.
That also sucks big time, unless she is happy with the guy. I hate forced marriages.

Teiresias

08-22-2006, 03:58 PM

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Tamao is a stalker...

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Sorry...can't buy this one. This term gets tossed around a bit too frequently for my taste.

I guess Chikane (KnM), Aeru (Simoun) and Tamari (Kasimasi), amongst a host of others, are all stalkers? IMHO, the stalker spectrum has grown too wide. It used to mean something that was very clear. Now it has grown so diffuse as to be almost meaningless.

Rhodes

08-22-2006, 04:36 PM

Ep 12 when Amane is talking about Miyuki to Nagisa.

also they showed the poster/image of 2 men when they talked about Carmen.

musouka

08-22-2006, 07:06 PM

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Teiresias said:
Tamao has done absolutely nothing that even smacks of creepiness to me.

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Uh, absolutely nothing? Well, other people have made my point for me, so I won't reiterate what people have said. I don't find one-sided affection creepy. It's Tamao's way of dealing with that one-sided affection that creeps me out.

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Rhodes said:
the things she do to Nagisa if done by a guy would be called perverted and distrubing.

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Or maybe they come across disturbing to those of us that aren't fanboys and aren't willing to go "oh, it's cute when a girl does it".

Teiresias

08-22-2006, 07:20 PM

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musouka said:

Or maybe they come across disturbing to those of us that aren't fanboys and aren't willing to go "oh, it's cute when a girl does it".

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As I'm a generally friendly fellow, I'd like to assume you're not addressing me with this rather typically insulting fanboy remark? But in the event my assumption is incorrect.../images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Besides the fact that I'm 30 years beyond the ability of anyone to call me any kind of boy, it's rather absurd to be calling names when what I expressed was my opinion and/or my interpretation of subjective fictional events. /images/graemlins/anger200.gif

I won't even mention the arrogance it takes to assume you represent the majority opinion in the absence of any evidence to support such an assumption. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

Finally, I'd ask you to do me the courtesy of assuming I'm telling the truth when I say that I don't think Tamao did anything "creepy," rather than assuming I gave her a pass because she is a girl. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Edited after taking a breath, but before reading m's and fence's responses.

Fencedude

08-22-2006, 07:29 PM

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Teiresias said:
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musouka said:

Or maybe they come across disturbing to those of us that aren't fanboys and aren't willing to go "oh, it's cute when a girl does it".

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As I'm a generally friendly fellow, I'll assume you're not addressing me with this rather insulting remark? Especially since no one has called me any kind of boy for about 3 decades, and if you were, I'd have to kick the shit outta ya... /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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You'd beat up a girl? Thats not very nice of you.

musouka

08-22-2006, 07:36 PM

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Teiresias said:
As I'm a generally friendly fellow, I'll assume you're not addressing me with this rather insulting remark? Especially since no one has called me any kind of boy for about 3 decades, and if you were, I'd have to kick the shit outta ya... /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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I didn't mean "fanboys" as in "losers", I meant "fanboys" as in "male fans". Of course, if you think it's insulting to be called a guy... /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Teiresias

08-22-2006, 07:45 PM

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Fencedude said:
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Teiresias said:
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musouka said:

Or maybe they come across disturbing to those of us that aren't fanboys and aren't willing to go "oh, it's cute when a girl does it".

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As I'm a generally friendly fellow, I'll assume you're not addressing me with this rather insulting remark? Especially since no one has called me any kind of boy for about 3 decades, and if you were, I'd have to kick the shit outta ya... /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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You'd beat up a girl? Thats not very nice of you.

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Why not? They kick my ass everyday online.../images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

This wouldn't be a double standard would it? We need to treat them as just as creepy as male stalkers, but not "beat up girls?"

Teiresias

08-22-2006, 08:11 PM

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musouka said:
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Teiresias said:
As I'm a generally friendly fellow, I'll assume you're not addressing me with this rather insulting remark? Especially since no one has called me any kind of boy for about 3 decades, and if you were, I'd have to kick the shit outta ya... /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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I didn't mean "fanboys" as in "losers", I meant "fanboys" as in "male fans". Of course, if you think it's insulting to be called a guy... /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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"What we have here is a failure to communicate."

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Fanboy or Fanboi is a term used to describe a male who is utterly devoted to a single subject or hobby, often to the point where it is considered an obsession. The term originated in comic book circles, to describe someone who was socially insecure and used comics as a shield from interaction, hence the disparaging connotations. Fanboys are often experts on minor details regarding their hobbies, and they take these details extremely seriously. The term itself is often used in a derogatory manner by less serious fans of the same material. Nevertheless, self-labeling usages of the term have been noted; in the songs of the fannish parody musician Luke Ski, many characters proudly consider themselves fanboys. The term is usually applied to people in their teens or 20s. Within this group, common objects of deference for fanboys are TV shows, movies, anime, cars, video game consoles, video games, operating systems, MMORPGs, ISPs and software companies.

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http://www.answers.com/topic/fan

The above is a definition somewhere close to my own. In my experience, "fanboy" refers to obviously male fans with a penchant for fanservice, and a tendency to glorify and objectify fictional female anime characters.

I've often heard the term used in insulting contexts, both here and elsewhere. Moreover, there is a tendency by the so-called otaku elite to denigrate "fanboys" as somehow inferior fans due to their tendency to focus on what they consider matters of lesser import within the hobby (e.g., fanservice).

The funny part is that many of the so-called otaku elite evince what would be called "fanboy" traits by many, but don't seem to recognize it. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

As I made an assumption about what you meant, I apologize for taking a shot at you (even though I'm pretty sure you weren't intending to be as innocent as you say). /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

musouka

08-22-2006, 08:24 PM

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Teiresias said:
(even though I'm pretty sure you weren't intending to be as innocent as you say).

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Look, when I mean to insult you, you'll know it because I won't bother to clarify my position. This? Is not one of those times.

Besides, I wasn't even talking to you. I was talking to the guy who thinks creepy behavior patterns are oh-so-cyuuute when it's girls doing them. You're the guy that mourns the fact that it's no longer PC to molest girls and doesn't see anything creepy about Tamao invading Nagisa's personal space because you did it when you were a kid.

Teiresias

08-22-2006, 09:40 PM

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musouka said:
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Teiresias said:
(even though I'm pretty sure you weren't intending to be as innocent as you say).

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Look, when I mean to insult you, you'll know it because I won't bother to clarify my position. This? Is not one of those times.

Besides, I wasn't even talking to you. I was talking to the guy who thinks creepy behavior patterns are oh-so-cyuuute when it's girls doing them. You're the guy that mourns the fact that it's no longer PC to molest girls and doesn't see anything creepy about Tamao invading Nagisa's personal space because you did it when you were a kid.

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Ouch! /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif That, I take it, was "one of those times?"

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that someone who would be so quick to stereotype another based on a few offhand comments in an online forum, wouldn't hesitate to tarnish their character based on a misinterpretation of a few others.

The power of anonymity is so refreshing isn't it? You don't even need to be civil, after all, we're not neighbors, and who in the community do you have to answer to?

Personally, if I went around trashing people's character online, I'd feel guilty about it. But conscience is a joke @ www.

evilarrex

08-22-2006, 10:03 PM

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musouka said:
Besides, I wasn't even talking to you. I was talking to the guy who thinks creepy behavior patterns are oh-so-cyuuute when it's girls doing them.

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They aren't? Oh darn.
Its only creepy when guys do it to guys like on Kyo Kara Maoh. /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

But naturally, some girls may think otherwise. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Fencedude

08-22-2006, 10:52 PM

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musouka said:
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Teiresias said:
(even though I'm pretty sure you weren't intending to be as innocent as you say).

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Look, when I mean to insult you, you'll know it because I won't bother to clarify my position. This? Is not one of those times.

Besides, I wasn't even talking to you. I was talking to the guy who thinks creepy behavior patterns are oh-so-cyuuute when it's girls doing them. You're the guy that mourns the fact that it's no longer PC to molest girls and doesn't see anything creepy about Tamao invading Nagisa's personal space because you did it when you were a kid.

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Ouch! /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif That, I take it, was "one of those times?"

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that someone who would be so quick to stereotype another based on a few offhand comments in an online forum, wouldn't hesitate to tarnish their character based on a misinterpretation of a few others.

The power of anonymity is so refreshing isn't it? You don't even need to be civil, after all, we're not neighbors, and who in the community do you have to answer to?

Personally, if I went around trashing people's character online, I'd feel guilty about it. But conscience is a joke @ www.

[/ QUOTE ]

Whine more.

Please.

musouka

08-22-2006, 10:56 PM

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Arrex said:
Its only creepy when guys do it to guys like on Kyo Kara Maoh.

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Gunter is creepy, just slightly less creepy than Tamao because his feelings are given absolutely no wieght by the narrative.

Wolfram on the other hand is tsundere, so that makes him cute...

Teiresias

08-22-2006, 11:16 PM

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Fencedude said:

Whine more.

Please.

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More wine? Great idea!

Aren't you one of those guys who gets on peoples backs for excessive quoting? Practice what you preach Dude! /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Gee fence, there you go dropping your trope again--I hardly recognize you. /images/graemlins/knowital.gif

Edited to remove unnecessary quotative baggage.

Captain Impulse

08-23-2006, 12:30 AM

Wasn't this thread about Strawberry Panic, or am I just confused?

Teiresias

08-23-2006, 01:01 AM

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Captain Impulse said:
Wasn't this thread about Strawberry Panic, or am I just confused?

[/ QUOTE ]

Quite right--sorry for my contribution to the tangent. Back to episode 20...

musouka

08-24-2006, 06:01 PM

Oh jeez. So now we get the DRAMATIC, ILLOGICAL KISS that leaves poor Rokujou in tears. Shizuma is a stupid stupid bitch, and I hope she gets run over by a bus. 

I half expected to have Kaori's letter from beyond the graaaaave to dramatically, at one point, start going into "Shizuma...This is my love. This is the sound of my heartbeat. I know you'll understand." (Or maybe I just think things would be less coma-inducing if Shizuma sometimes had pyschotic episodes where she tried to kill Nagisa) But instead we got "my love for you, blahblah, remember when we were chosen for the Etoile position, zzzzz, I'm so perfect and boring because faced with my own impending doom I wrote you a big long letter about your future, blahblah, I will always be with you...I've run out of heavy-handed cliches..." nattering.

golthin

08-24-2006, 07:04 PM

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musouka said:
Oh jeez. So now we get the DRAMATIC, ILLOGICAL KISS that leaves poor Rokujou in tears. Shizuma is a stupid stupid bitch, and I hope she gets run over by a bus. 

I half expected to have Kaori's letter from beyond the graaaaave to dramatically, at one point, start going into "Shizuma...This is my love. This is the sound of my heartbeat. I know you'll understand." (Or maybe I just think things would be less coma-inducing if Shizuma sometimes had pyschotic episodes where she tried to kill Nagisa) But instead we got "my love for you, blahblah, remember when we were chosen for the Etoile position, zzzzz, I'm so perfect and boring because faced with my own impending doom I wrote you a big long letter about your future, blahblah, I will always be with you...I've run out of heavy-handed cliches..." nattering.

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Bad day at work? Lot of anger there! /images/graemlins/happy.gif

musouka

08-24-2006, 07:25 PM

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Bad day at work? Lot of anger there! /images/graemlins/happy.gif

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Actually, I'm not angry at all. I was slightly annoyed when I first found out about the "I'll kiss you to make you shut up because you don't UNDERSTAND what it FEELS to be IN LOVE oh wait that didn't work out too well errr bye" scene because I actually like Rokujou but that was a few days ago. Though maybe I should give the show credit where credit is due. This is the first episode to actually provoke a reaction from me that isn't hysterical laughter. Irritation probably isn't much better, though...

golthin

08-24-2006, 08:16 PM

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musouka said:
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golthin said:
Bad day at work? Lot of anger there! /images/graemlins/happy.gif

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Actually, I'm not angry at all. I was slightly annoyed when I first found out about the "I'll kiss you to make you shut up because you don't UNDERSTAND what it FEELS to be IN LOVE oh wait that didn't work out too well errr bye" scene because I actually like Rokujou but that was a few days ago. Though maybe I should give the show credit where credit is due. This is the first episode to actually provoke a reaction from me that isn't hysterical laughter. Irritation probably isn't much better, though...

[/ QUOTE ]yeah, that really backfired on Shizuma, then she just left like a coward. At least at the end she realized that she and Miyuki are not that different and they ended still friends.

Fencedude

08-28-2006, 04:11 PM

Shizuma should leave the top of her uniform unbuttoned for hte rest of the series.

Splitter

08-28-2006, 04:47 PM

Gah, my Shizuma hate is through the roof after that episode. To go up to Miyuki and tell her "You don't know what it's like to be in love" when SHE was the one who gave up on Shizuma so Shizuma could be with Kaori is just a total bitch move. That bitch needs to fall off a cliff!

golthin

08-28-2006, 05:50 PM

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Splitter said:
Gah, my Shizuma hate is through the roof after that episode. To go up to Miyuki and tell her "You don't know what it's like to be in love" when SHE was the one who gave up on Shizuma so Shizuma could be with Kaori is just a total bitch move. That bitch needs to fall off a cliff!

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I think you didn't get the significance of this episode. Miyuki liked Kaori too, but she let Shizuma have her, that is why Miyuki cried when Shizuma read the letter. I doubt that Miyuki would have slapped Shizuma if she was in love with Shizuma. Miyuki and Shizuma are just best friends and sometimes best friends give up on something just for friendship. Miyuki knew that Shizuma liked Kaori, but Shizuma never noticed Myiki's feelings toward Kaori, so she never thought of how Miyuki felt. Shizuma finally realized Miyuki's feelings when Miyuki started crying and called Kaori's name, and that is why they hugged.

Splitter

08-28-2006, 05:54 PM

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golthin said:
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Splitter said:
Gah, my Shizuma hate is through the roof after that episode. To go up to Miyuki and tell her "You don't know what it's like to be in love" when SHE was the one who gave up on Shizuma so Shizuma could be with Kaori is just a total bitch move. That bitch needs to fall off a cliff!

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I think you didn't get the significance of this episode. Miyuki liked Kaori too, but she let Shizuma have her, that is why Miyuki cried when Shizuma read the letter. I doubt that Miyuki would have slapped Shizuma if she was in love with Shizuma. Miyuki and Shizuma are just best friends and sometimes best friends give up on something just for friendship. Miyuki knew that Shizuma liked Kaori, but Shizuma never noticed Myiki's feelings toward Kaori, so she never thought of how Miyuki felt. Shizuma finally realized Miyuki's feelings when Miyuki started crying and called Kaori's name, and that is why they hugged.

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OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH..... that flew right over my head.

Fencedude

08-28-2006, 07:29 PM

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OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH..... that flew right over my head.

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Probably because the series did a horrible job of developing Kaori's character and giving us any reason for Shizuma and Miyuki to give two shits about her.

Rhodes

08-28-2006, 07:35 PM

well what did you expect for a flashback character?

i am guessing the manga/novel did a better job with that. the anime is more focused on the present day with nagisa and hikari. I am guessing for the future etoile battle between the 2 schools. Although with the focus mainly on Nagisa, I will guess she will be the next Etolie... how in the world that will happen I cant even guess. Since Amane seems to be the overall star after Shizuma.

I wish it would be a pairing between Nagisa and Chiyo but I guess based on the previews its Nagisa and Tamoya.

Fencedude

08-28-2006, 08:20 PM

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I wish it would be a pairing between Nagisa and Chiyo

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You want WHAT?!

...jesus...I had no idea that anyone could possibly want that.

Now, if this were Yaya/Tsubomi, you might have my support. Maybe.

Splitter

08-28-2006, 10:33 PM

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Rhodes said:

I wish it would be a pairing between Nagisa and Chiyo

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You want WHAT?!

...jesus...I had no idea that anyone could possibly want that.

Now, if this were Yaya/Tsubomi, you might have my support. Maybe.

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As far as dark horse pairings go, my money's on Chikaru/Kagome

something

08-28-2006, 11:04 PM

Goddamnit Shizuma, I'm liking you less and less. Sure it's interesting to see the cold and calculating Miyuki freak out a bit, but those weren't the circumstances I was really hoping for. It did put Shizuma in her place a bit though... she really deserved that slap. Woke her up a bit.

Anyway, I really like Miyuki so I was glad to see her get more screentime, even if her voice actress does, er, cry awkwardly /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif Oh, and nice of Shizuma to realize what Miyuki means to her, finally. About time =P

Anyways, Kaori is finally a thing of the past, which is good. As a plot device she's done her job and given us the glimpse into why Shizuma is like she is, and that's good enough. I didn't expect or want much more from her, which is why I guess I'm not all up in arms about her "lack of development" or whatever.

And Gothlin, as for your guess that Miyuki was in love with Kaori... I really don't get that vibe at all. She cared about Kaori, but not like that. Or am I alone in thinking so?

And in the end, I submit Chikaru and Tamao for Etoile, because they kick ass ::nods:: What year is Chikaru anyways? I can't remember if she's graduating too or not, and am too lazy to go check. I assume she is.

something

08-28-2006, 11:06 PM

Heh, you really need to stop watching this series if it's so painful for you. You're being ten times more melodramatic than anything the show is throwing at us =P

musouka

08-28-2006, 11:37 PM

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disarm said:
Heh, you really need to stop watching this series if it's so painful for you. You're being ten times more melodramatic than anything the show is throwing at us =P

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I'm not going to fellate the show. It's utter shit. It is worth twenty minutes and a laugh, but that's about it. If my posts are too "melodramatic" for your sensitive eyes, feel free to scroll right down past them.

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disarm said:
And Gothlin, as for your guess that Miyuki was in love with Kaori... I really don't get that vibe at all. She cared about Kaori, but not like that. Or am I alone in thinking so?

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I thought Miyuki liked Kaori for a second too, mostly because of the vibe of ep 20. However, upon thinking about it, I realized this show can't imagine two females being friends without at least one having the hots for another, and have since revised my opinion of the situation.

Really, I don't know. I think the emphasis was too much on "Shizuma telling Miyuki she'll always care about her [just not in that way]" for it to be read as "Miyuki loves Kaori". It's possible either way, I suppose.

something

08-28-2006, 11:54 PM

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musouka said:
I'm not going to fellate the show. It's utter shit. It is worth twenty minutes and a laugh, but that's about it.

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And that's what I'll never understand... watching a show you hate. And then coming on forums and posting about just how much you hate it. But then, next week, watching it again, and posting more. Again, and again. But hey, free country and all that, I just don't see what's in it for you.

musouka

08-29-2006, 12:06 AM

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disarm said:
And that's what I'll never understand... watching a show you hate. And then coming on forums and posting about just how much you hate it. But then, next week, watching it again, and posting more. Again, and again. But hey, free country and all that, I just don't see what's in it for you.

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Because it's fun. I'm not sitting here foaming at the mouth. And, though you didn't respond, you have to see I'm also quite capable of discussing what goes on in the show, even though I mock it.

I loathed Shuffle, but I got into several long, interesting discussions while I was watching it. That's one value I can get out of watching something I don't like. Sometimes a negative viewpoint can provoke this sort of discussion, as long as neither party is personally offended, in a way that "Oh, gee, I cried when Kaori died ;_:" or "Oh no, poor Tamao" doesn't.

Besides, I thought this was a discussion thread, not a "only those that like SP are allowed to say what they think of this week's episode" thread.

Splitter

08-29-2006, 12:33 AM

Gotta admit I agree with you. Someone who doesn't like a certain show shouldn't be prohibited from saying how he or she feels about it. I myself only watch Strawberry Panic! as a guilty pleasure and take it about as seriously as a Spanish soap opera.

Rhodes

08-29-2006, 02:53 AM

she is 5th year... so she can be etolie... which would be a suprise since her school doesnt really partipate in the etolie selection much.

but who would be her partner?

something

08-29-2006, 03:04 AM

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Rhodes said:
but who would be her partner?

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Her entire henshin/cosplay club =D I just said Tamao as a joke because she's my other favorite character, too bad you can't mix and match schools for Etoile.

Splitter

08-29-2006, 09:49 AM

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but who would be her partner?

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KA-GO-ME!!! KA-GO-ME!!! KA-GO-ME!!!

Teiresias

08-29-2006, 10:16 AM

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musouka said:
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disarm said:
And that's what I'll never understand... watching a show you hate. And then coming on forums and posting about just how much you hate it. But then, next week, watching it again, and posting more. Again, and again. But hey, free country and all that, I just don't see what's in it for you.

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Because it's fun. I'm not sitting here foaming at the mouth. And, though you didn't respond, you have to see I'm also quite capable of discussing what goes on in the show, even though I mock it.

I loathed Shuffle, but I got into several long, interesting discussions while I was watching it. That's one value I can get out of watching something I don't like. Sometimes a negative viewpoint can provoke this sort of discussion, as long as neither party is personally offended, in a way that "Oh, gee, I cried when Kaori died ;_:" or "Oh no, poor Tamao" doesn't.

Besides, I thought this was a discussion thread, not a "only those that like SP are allowed to say what they think of this week's episode" thread.

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Quite right--you're entitled to your opinion, and free to discuss in pretty much any way you like. Besides, spirited "discussions" are much more fun!

Anime, by its very subject matter, requires that one suspend one's disbelief: 15 year old is the only one who can save the world by piloting super-sophisticated mech... huh?

Even something with the gravitas of Planetes requires that one do so: e.g., even a debris hauling outfit requires a top quality org to carry out its mission when done in space.

Absent of that suspension, large chunks of the medium become utterly ridiculous. So if one decided to drop this pretense, then one could pretty much trash anything they chose.

From my perspective, it's merely provocative to call a show "shit" when, at the very least, it's sufficiently interesting to keep one watching. After all, there is so much actual "shit" that cannot even be sat through, let alone watched with the avidity with which you seem to view Strawberry Panic.

There are anime out there that get me snoozing in the first episode. How would those be categorized? Can you go lower than "shit?"

FTR, Strawberry Panic is, in my mind, no masterpiece. And like you, I like to take a shot at it now and then--as I did in an earlier thread.

But I also think that it's quite fun, and therefore not "shit"--which characterization I save for the actual tripe.

musouka

08-29-2006, 11:03 AM

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Teiresias said:
There are anime out there that get me snoozing in the first episode. How would those be categorized? Can you go lower than "shit?"

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Personally, I would classify anime that are too dull to watch as "boring". They might be well done in other respects, which saves them from being termed shit.

In my opinion, SP has extremely shallow character development and is hell bent on stretching a plot that would probably should take about six episodes into twenty six. Even worse, it has almost no variation in any of the main relationship types. It would have been more interesting if there were dislikes and platonic friendships among the main characters to go along with all the romance, especially in a school setting. It's production values are mediocre at best.

Basically, from where I'm standing, it's a pile of shit dressed up in some old 70's girl/girl romance cliches in order to give it legitimacy.

Teiresias

08-29-2006, 11:33 AM

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musouka said:

...it's a pile of shit dressed up in some old 70's girl/girl romance cliches in order to give it legitimacy.

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Having lived through the decade, I'm racking my brain trying to figure out which "70's girl/girl romance cliches" you're talking about? Please elucidate.

About the only thing I can think of are Linda Blair's "Born Innocent" Born Innocent via Wikipedia (http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Born+Innocent) , and Jonthan Demme's "Caged Heat," Heat (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071266/) , neither of which appear to apply to SP.

musouka

08-29-2006, 11:41 AM

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Teiresias said:
Having lived through the decade, I'm racking my brain trying to figure out which "70's girl/girl romance cliches" you're talking about? Please elucidate.

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Shiroi Heya no Futari. Oniisama E. Even a dash of Touma no Shinzou.

Splitter

08-29-2006, 11:48 AM

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musouka said:
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Teiresias said:
Having lived through the decade, I'm racking my brain trying to figure out which "70's girl/girl romance cliches" you're talking about? Please elucidate.

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Shiroi Heya no Futari. Oniisama E. Even a dash of Touma no Shinzou.

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Does Rose of Versailles count as well?

Teiresias

08-29-2006, 01:10 PM

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musouka said:
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Teiresias said:
Having lived through the decade, I'm racking my brain trying to figure out which "70's girl/girl romance cliches" you're talking about? Please elucidate.

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Shiroi Heya no Futari. Oniisama E. Even a dash of Touma no Shinzou.

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Sorry, in taking my tongue in cheek, my question became unclear. Admittedly, I'm only familiar with Oniisama E. And I get your point about the relationships. No argument there.

But what are these cliches, and how do they relate to SP?

musouka

08-29-2006, 02:26 PM

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Teiresias said:
But what are these cliches, and how do they relate to SP?

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- Older popular girl in an important position/Young innocent girl
- "Purity" as a theme
- Same sex friend has an unrequitted love for their best friend, who instead focuses on the younger, innocent girl
- Death of "your one and only", who was beloved by many for their gentle, sweet nature
- Innocence helps heal the wounds of the jaded, older girl
- Relationships that cannot be maintained outside the "greenhouse" of the all girls' school
- Elaborate school politics based on a sort of institution that has elevated the older, popular girl to their current status

Teiresias

08-29-2006, 03:53 PM

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musouka said:
[ QUOTE ]
Teiresias said:
But what are these cliches, and how do they relate to SP?

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- Older popular girl in an important position/Young innocent girl
- "Purity" as a theme
- Same sex friend has an unrequitted love for their best friend, who instead focuses on the younger, innocent girl
- Death of "your one and only", who was beloved by many for their gentle, sweet nature
- Innocence helps heal the wounds of the jaded, older girl
- Relationships that cannot be maintained outside the "greenhouse" of the all girls' school
- Elaborate school politics based on a sort of institution that has elevated the older, popular girl to their current status

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But that's all the good stuff! /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Most of these could just as easily be applied to Marimite --which, at least in my mind, is a better show.

musouka

08-29-2006, 04:57 PM

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Teiresias said:
But that's all the good stuff! /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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When did I ever say they were bad? I believe I said that it was dressing up in the cliches for legitimacy, not that the cliches were what was bringing it down.

Those cliches, when done well, are great. I absolutely adore 70's shoujo. Just look at my avatar. However, these series that used these motifs weren't content to just use them as shorthand in place of plot and character development, unlike SP.

Fencedude

08-29-2006, 05:20 PM

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Teiresias said:

Most of these could just as easily be applied to Marimite --which, at least in my mind, is a better show.

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I seriously doubt you'll find anyone who disagrees with that assertion.

Though, its worth keeping in mind that unlike Mari-mite or the shows musouka mentioned, Stopani is most assuredly NOT aimed at girls.

evilarrex

08-29-2006, 05:41 PM

The characterisation in Maria Mite is a lot stronger than SP.
SP is basically MM-lite with more gropage but much much weaker characters and more fan-servicy elements. Clearly made to resonate with a similar fanbase but certainly lacks the better elements of MM's script writing, nicer art and ultimately the storyline in SP is presented in a much less convincing fashion (a lot of the relationships and situations seem to be going by the numbers - as it were).
Just like Rahxephon is Eva-lite /images/graemlins/tongue.gif
There are many examples of cliche ridden or homage ridden series that transcend their parentage. Sadly SP isn't one of them - although it does provide a pleasent divertissement. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Teiresias

08-29-2006, 06:16 PM

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musouka said:
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Teiresias said:
But that's all the good stuff! /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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When did I ever say they were bad? I believe I said that it was dressing up in the cliches for legitimacy, not that the cliches were what was bringing it down.

Those cliches, when done well, are great. I absolutely adore 70's shoujo. Just look at my avatar. However, these series that used these motifs weren't content to just use them as shorthand in place of plot and character development, unlike SP.

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Obviously cliche is a relative term: One person's cliche is another person's epiphany. I've only ever heard the term used in the perjorative sense. Thus, "dressing up in cliches" is "bad" in my frame of reference.

As you have explained, I grok you.

Teiresias

08-29-2006, 06:20 PM

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Fencedude said:
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Teiresias said:

Most of these could just as easily be applied to Marimite --which, at least in my mind, is a better show.

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I seriously doubt you'll find anyone who disagrees with that assertion.

Though, its worth keeping in mind that unlike Mari-mite or the shows musouka mentioned, Stopani is most assuredly NOT aimed at girls.

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Does that fact in itself bear on the quality of the show?
Oh, nevermind...! /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Teiresias

08-29-2006, 06:27 PM

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Arrex said:

Clearly made to resonate with a similar fanbase

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You and Fence appear to disagree over the audience. So which is it and why?

Fencedude

08-29-2006, 06:32 PM

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Teiresias said:
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Arrex said:

Clearly made to resonate with a similar fanbase

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You and Fence appear to disagree over the audience. So which is it and why?

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Well, StoPani runs in Dengeki G's Magazine, you don't get more "Aimed at Guys" than that.

I forget what Mari-mite runs in, but it is very, very obviously shoujo.

golthin

08-29-2006, 06:48 PM

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Teiresias said:
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Arrex said:

Clearly made to resonate with a similar fanbase

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You and Fence appear to disagree over the audience. So which is it and why?

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SP has more fanservice and has more of a feeling of being aimed at guys. Mariamiteru Has more a feeling of shoujo even though it appeals to Yuri fans.

TheGreenMan

08-29-2006, 07:20 PM

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golthin said:
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Teiresias said:
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Arrex said:

Clearly made to resonate with a similar fanbase

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You and Fence appear to disagree over the audience. So which is it and why?

[/ QUOTE ]
SP has more fanservice and has more of a feeling of being aimed at guys. Mariamiteru Has more a feeling of shoujo even though it appeals to Yuri fans.

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I think each series has its male and female fans. Marimite was aimed at girls, but it has a lot of guy fans. Strapani is aimed at guys (the manga even more so), but I see female fans of the show on other boards.

golthin

08-29-2006, 09:19 PM

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TheGreenMan said:
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golthin said:
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Teiresias said:
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Arrex said:

Clearly made to resonate with a similar fanbase

[/ QUOTE ]

You and Fence appear to disagree over the audience. So which is it and why?

[/ QUOTE ]
SP has more fanservice and has more of a feeling of being aimed at guys. Mariamiteru Has more a feeling of shoujo even though it appeals to Yuri fans.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think each series has its male and female fans. Marimite was aimed at girls, but it has a lot of guy fans. Strapani is aimed at guys (the manga even more so), but I see female fans of the show on other boards.

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Because a series is aimed at a gender doesn't mean the opposite gender won't like it. we are discussing who the series is aimed at regardless if anyone else can enjoy it.

evilarrex

08-29-2006, 09:46 PM

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Teiresias said:
You and Fence appear to disagree over the audience. So which is it and why?

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I don't think that Shoujo/Shonen distinction is of particular use.
SP is a series that would not have happened without the phenomenon that was Maria Mite. Just like Rahxephon would have never been written without Eva.

There is no-doubt that Maria Mite exudes a more shoujo-feel than SP. There is also no doubt that Maria Mite generated a truckload of avid/rabid male fanboys (me included). Whether this was deliberate or in-advertant for a series meant for girls - who knows? Just like it came as a surprise to the creators of Saiyuki that their fanbase was mostly female or Gundam Wing's big female fanbase - although that may have been more deliberate.

Lets have a look at parts of the key creative team - ie director and script/scenario writers behind both series.
Strawberry Panic
Director- Masayuki SAKOI, Series Comp - Tatsuhiko URAHATA
Both do not have a lot of shoujo titles to their names.
Maria Mite
Director - Yukihiro MATSUSHITA, Scenario writers Reiko YOSHIDA, Genki YOSHIMURA, Natsuko TAKAHASHI
have a boat load of Shoujo and Shonen titles behind them

SP was created to tap into the fanboy reservoir that Maria Mite created and perhaps draw more in with its more Shonen-style appeal. Along the way, however, it lost part of the very atmosphere that made Maria Mite a more compelling series to watch and replaced it with superficial yuri/service instead.

And if in doubt Fence was wrong about Donuts. So it may my turn to be wrong. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif