Say anything about anime, AoD/fandom that mystifies & puzzles you? [Archive]

Chloe

12-29-2005, 05:17 PM

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Why people blind buy so much stuff. I know there are some guys up here who seem to have insane amounts of money, but I can't imagine I'm the only one up here who has a budget and stuff. Can't even imagine spending money on shows I don't know if I'll like or not, especially with rentals being available (now people in countries with no anime rentals, I could maybe understand, but that's about it).

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I blind buy about 95%, at least. I really was not aware of the online rental thingy until recently, and I really don't bother with renting from B&M stores anymore. The stuff is so cheap, there is not all that much difference anyway. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif Yes, renting is still way cheaper, but between word of mouth, good reviews, etc. I have at least a fair idea of what I am getting into before I see any of it. I've had a couple titles that I wish I didn't buy(Hyper Dolls, Tenomonya Voyagers, e.g.) but for the most part it's been all good. I'm extremely easy to please, so this works very well for me. More discriminating tastes would probably have a lot more difficulty doing this. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Shsway

12-29-2005, 05:32 PM

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Why people blind buy so much stuff.

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I guess there's a certain thrill to the unknown. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif Well, I'm usually quite good at guessing what I'll dig and what I won't, though I've certainly made some mistakes (only one truly expensive one so far). Factor in that collector's mentality and that's pretty much the bulk of what drives me in this.

Things that puzzle me: the appeal of lolis and catgirls (the latter exhibiting the behavior of kittens more than cats, according to my bro's more observant nature). Angels I get, bunnygirls I get, but catgirls? I guess dog boys fit in here too, though mostly found in Inu Yasha, I guess.

something

12-29-2005, 05:40 PM

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Fencedude said:
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Wrath of the Njr said:
But keep it polite!

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Oh...you're no fun.

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Heh, basically. Just looking at AOD, I wouldn't even know where to start.

excel7769

12-29-2005, 05:45 PM

1. The flower that pops up out of peoples heads in Super Gals
2. Why there's no Godzilla Anime (That'd be fun /images/graemlins/tongue.gif)
(If there is pardon my ingorance)
3. The Giant Robot thing, (Though I too am guilty of being a nutso for Eva, FMP,RahXephon and others.) and one more...
How many times does Tokyo get destroyed by earthquake, aliens, the apocalypse and others.

Philemon

12-29-2005, 06:11 PM

a) Why is it that some male fans see anime as the animated version of Playboy Magazine?

b) Is there more to female anime fans than their interest in watching shonen-ai? Perhaps it is no better than male fans watching anime only because of the hardcore pornography, or sexual fanservice, or it has giant robots, etc.

c) What is it with the collector's mentality?

Suwako Moriya

12-29-2005, 06:29 PM

1. Those who decide a series is automatically crap just because it has fanservice. Even if the fanservice is at worst wearing one piece swimsuits. Cover the eyes!

2. Those who decide to no longer like a series just because it's gone mainstream or whatever. Ie more than five people are able to watch it. I'd kill if some series got this chance. Then maybe they'd be translated before I die.

3. Those with vendettas. Either against a specific company or a specific anime. Or heck even a specific person. Be it a real person or a fictional character. Occasional debate is one thing, but a vendetaa is another.

The Pirate Queen

12-29-2005, 06:43 PM

Giant freaking backlogs of doom. When you start getting into the triple digits, there's something wrong. Why buy it if you're not going to watch it? Stick that money in the bank, earn the interest on it, buy the show when you have the time to watch it.

Aiia

12-29-2005, 07:44 PM

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Shsway said:

Things that puzzle me: the appeal of lolis and catgirls

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I second that one. I would understand if they liked Merle in Escaflowne, but it seems a lot of people didn't like her (I thought she was great, though a bit annoying at times). And the small girls. I prefer buxom, grown up, beautiful women like Motoko (GiTS), Karen (X-TV) etc. But of course taste is different. Besides I'm a straight woman so what do I know. I suppose I just don't understand the whole Moe thing. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Kellory

12-29-2005, 07:49 PM

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Collectonian said:
Why people blind buy so much stuff. I know there are some guys up here who seem to have insane amounts of money, but I can't imagine I'm the only one up here who has a budget and stuff. Can't even imagine spending money on shows I don't know if I'll like or not, especially with rentals being available (now people in countries with no anime rentals, I could maybe understand, but that's about it).

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I'm on a budget myself. While my job pays decently enough for where I live, its not like I'm pulling in 6 digits or anything. But I like having stuff. Its like books. I could just go to the library and borrow a book. But I like being able to pull it down and reread it whenever I want without having to go to the library. Plus I have few other drains on my money. I'm allergic to alcohol, I dont smoke, and I'm single. The money that doesnt get put away for retirement has to go somewhere. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

As for what I dont understand...I dont understand people who take anime too seriously. I mean, its one thing to really enjoy the hobby. Cosplay sometimes makes me scratch my head, but if it makes that person happy more power to them. Its those people, however, who spend inordinate amounts of time planning their ideal wedding with an anime character for example who really have me puzzled.

Still, I suppose like any hobby, whatever floats your boat is good for you.

Suwako Moriya

12-29-2005, 07:52 PM

Maybe some people are afraid if they don't get a series as soon as possible, they won't be able to find it later or at the very least they want to make sure they get the LE. There is also the collecting it for the sake of collecting it and not really watching it mentality. Which I'll never understand.

jaylee

12-29-2005, 10:34 PM

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Things that puzzle me: the appeal of lolis and catgirls

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Chuplayer

12-29-2005, 11:08 PM

I don't understand...

People who double dip seemingly just for the hell of it. For example, I saw this when the Cardcaptor Sakura book sets were coming out. Why get them if you have all 18 individual DVDs? The only new thing is that "book" case, and if you're so hell-bent on getting a Clow Book to hold your DVDs, you could probably get one custom-made for yourself for less than you would spend double dipping. It would probably look nicer, too. I love my CCS book sets, but damn! I got them because the individual DVDs are far from affordable.

People who have problems with bricks. I understand the loose disc thing, but that's about all that bricks have going against them. It's not like all bricks have that problem either! So what if they're big? So what if they don't have original packaging? If you want small, go and thinpak. If you want original packaging, pay through your nose and get the originals. I like my anime affordable, and I don't care about the packaging if the price is right.

People who post topics like "what anime character would you like to get married to" or "what anime character would you sleep with" or "what anime character you would hire for a stripease at a bachelor/bachelorette party" and stuff like that. Who the fuck cares? Don't you have anything better to do? I'm a CLAMP fanboy, and even that garbage creeps me out.

DanielJr

12-29-2005, 11:28 PM

Dudes that look like ladies... what's the appeal?

And I'm not going to be polite about this, but loli-esque anime sickens me.

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Mimi Masuko said:
3. Those with vendettas. Either against a specific company or a specific anime. Or heck even a specific person. Be it a real person or a fictional character. Occasional debate is one thing, but a vendetaa is another.

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Chuplayer said:
People who post topics like "what anime character would you like to get married to" or "what anime character would you sleep with" or "what anime character you would hire for a stripease at a bachelor/bachelorette party" and stuff like that. Who the fuck cares? Don't you have anything better to do? I'm a CLAMP fanboy, and even that garbage creeps me out.

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Preach it!!

Lego

12-30-2005, 04:13 AM

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People who post topics like "what anime character would you like to get married to" or "what anime character would you sleep with" or "what anime character you would hire for a stripease at a bachelor/bachelorette party" and stuff like that. Who the fuck cares? Don't you have anything better to do? I'm a CLAMP fanboy, and even that garbage creeps me out.

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I try not to do that to much(don't think I do anyway). Most of my posts in that area are ones asking what your favorite moment is, and etc. Although you won't catch me going "Which anime character is hot?!?!" anytime soon heh.

Njr Scrawl

12-30-2005, 05:09 AM

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Dani said:
Giant freaking backlogs of doom. When you start getting into the triple digits, there's something wrong. Why buy it if you're not going to watch it? Stick that money in the bank, earn the interest on it, buy the show when you have the time to watch it.

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Its easier & cheaper to bulk buy series now more than ever before.
Its easier to buy thousands of minutes of viewing time, than find slots in your life to watch them - unless you're insomniac or a webmaster of a fan site /images/graemlins/wink.gif .

Then there is the collector-hoarder mentality. Forgetting AoD influences, its a kind of "gotta buy them all" which can cover regions, versions & become part of a personal quest that goes past watching & wanting to own it. Typical for cars, guns, stamps anything. Only series I've excessively collected on DVD is Evangelion though.

I'll probably never watch all my Eva, or even backlog. Too busy. But its there if I do want to. Being a sub fan my eyes have to be fresh & attention alert enough & that slows down covering new series, along with re-watching old favourites.

Lastly the spending angle. Can't rush through expensive series. Pay too much for anime to not try & get serious value from them, I feel the need much more than for TV programmes.

crosbie394

12-30-2005, 05:22 AM

The thing about anime fandom I don't understand is how a lot of fans think that the big anime dvd companies like funi or adv owe us good releases, and when a poor box is released, there is uproar.

I for one count our selves lucky that we have so many good quality companes releasing so many titles over here in the west.

Lego

12-30-2005, 05:27 AM

For me, I can't understand the hostility that some people in the anime fandom have towards certain shows. I'm not necessarily talking about AOD here, just fandom in general. I mean while I might not like Naruto, I won't go on a tirade about how much it sucks, or go after you for watching it. I've noticed the same attitude when you mention what show you like or etc.

It's usually the "ZOmg haha that suxors" remark that you get back. It just seems like some people will pass judgement of a show before they even watch a second of it.

Secondly, I know that Giant robots, big breasted women, and fighting shows are popular, but where are all the slice of life shows? It might just be me, since I'm a huge fan of the slice of life shows. I mean this year we had Honey and Clover, Emma, and Kamichu. Those are three great series. While I know everyone likes different genres, and I'm not here to bash that(I own lots of mech shows), I wonder why you don't see more shows like the ones I mentioned.

Most likely due to ratings or funding.

12-30-2005, 07:19 AM

Why is there so much fervor from female fans about yaoi, slashfics and related elements but relatively little from men about yuri?

DiGiKerot

12-30-2005, 07:23 AM

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Why is there so much fervor from female fans about yaoi, slashfics and related elements but relatively little from men about yuri?

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Are you reading the same boards as me /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

On a related note, I don't really get the yuri obsession either, and I really don't get cases like the Shiznat stuff - in the context of the particular show that refers to, it comes across as immensely hypocritical (if you don't know what show I'm talking about, don't ask - I'm being vague on purpose).

12-30-2005, 07:30 AM

Heh. Not sure about the boards. This is a qustion I've had for a long while now. I just see the reactions from females at conventions (and come to think of it, relatively little from gay men) and overhearing their conversations about yaoi, etc. Still, I just don't uderstand the interest. Then again, I'm a guy who has never found yuri interesting either. Maybe I'm just weird.

12-30-2005, 08:03 AM

The one thing I don't understand is how people can watch every damn show, wave after wave, in the endless flow of colourful "cute" girl shows/"H-game-based anime without the H" without getting tired: DearS, Girls Bravo, Shuffle, Happy Lesson, Yumeria, Da Capo, Rozen Maiden, Negima, Rabuge, My-HiME, Daphne, Green Green, Sister Princess, Lamune, Mahoraba, Maburaho etc. etc. I mean there are only so many hairstyle/colour combinations you can do, not to mention that these shows often feature some of the most horribly generic designs of them all. I just don't get how people can keep track of all the girls and keep their interest up.

The bishounen/"guys that look like girls"-thing and why so many women lust after them has me a bit puzzled as well. I mean I can sort of relate, the best looking guys are often the ones who look the most feminine, but then I'm a guy. Wouldn't thinking like that make all those women you know, like, secretly lesbian or something? /images/graemlins/stunned0.gif

Lego

12-30-2005, 08:10 AM

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The one thing I don't understand is how people can watch every damn show, wave after wave, in the endless flow of colourful "cute" girl shows/"H-game-based anime without the H" without getting tired: DearS, Girls Bravo, Shuffle, Happy Lesson, Yumeria, Da Capo, Rozen Maiden, Negima, Rabuge, My-HiME, Daphne, Green Green, Sister Princess, Lamune, Mahoraba, Maburaho etc. etc. I mean there are only so many hairstyle/colour combinations you can do, not to mention that these shows often feature some of the most horribly generic designs of them all. I just don't get how people can keep track of all the girls and keep their interest up.

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Thats a good point. I try to diversify myself and watch a lot of "slice of life" shows. I tend to shy away from the shows you mentioned. Although occasionally it's nice to get a show like Hime where while being about "cute girls", it had a couple good later episodes. It goes back to the genres that people like.

I know people on the forums and others that only watch a specific genre. For example Mecha, Action, and etc. Personally I have no problem with people watching whatever, it's their choice. But for some shows like a Lamune or a Yumeria, it seems to main purpose of the show is having a cute girl to stare at through 13-26 episodes.

I actually liked Hime's designs though(I'm a Haruka fanatic). But I can see what you mean when you get a chunk of the shows from the last couple seasons that seem to follow the same cookie cutter mold.

But that is my view. I'm not as "into" shows like Otome, Shuffle, and etc as some posters are. I tend to go after things like Emma, Kamichu, Ergo Proxy. But a little fluff doesn't hurt once in a while.

DiGiKerot

12-30-2005, 08:11 AM

DrMM

12-30-2005, 08:24 AM

mike.motaku

12-30-2005, 09:10 AM

fan(atic)s

"This box didn't use the far superior R2 art = boycott & hate mail"
"That logo sucks = boycott & hate mail"
"My fansub translates this one word differently than the official US company = US companies are evil money-sucking whores & boycott & hate mail"
"No subtitles on songs = boycott & hate mail"

insert own rant here:"*****"

Whatever happened to just sitting back and enjoying the show? On the whole, for a completely voluntary leisure time pursuit? This ain't bad. Enjoy it. I SAID ENJOY IT!!! NOW!!!

tuffy

12-30-2005, 09:18 AM

I'm still puzzled by Evangelion fandom. My theory is that it's a show about angsty teens and Deep Mysteries that hit just the right nerve with an angsty teen audience when it first came out. Now that those angsty teens have grown up, their nostalgia keeps it going. Sortof like one of those things "you had to be there" to fully understand.

something

12-30-2005, 09:35 AM

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The thing about anime fandom I don't understand is how a lot of fans think that the big anime dvd companies like funi or adv owe us good releases, and when a poor box is released, there is uproar.

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I don't think I grasp your meaning. If you're just talking box sturdiness, then I agree that I don't care. I'll just not buy the box (not that I buy them anyway). As for actual content-affecting issues, why don't they owe us a competent (good) release? We're paying them, right? Isn't that the basis of the whole market dynamic? I don't expect every release to be perfect, since most things that can "go wrong" are irrelevant and minor, but it should at least be "good".

There are no alternatives on a per-series basis in terms of who to buy from, so we can't "just go elsewhere for Tenchi Muyo" for example, if we don't like the company's release (not that there was anything wrong with it, it's just an example). There are a lot of specific things they don't "owe" us (especially because not everyone agrees on what we want from a disc anyway!), but they certainly owe us a generally "good" release if we're paying a good bit of money for it. I'm not sure why you'd suggest otherwise.

something

12-30-2005, 09:39 AM

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Chuplayer said:
People who post topics like "what anime character would you like to get married to" or "what anime character would you sleep with" or "what anime character you would hire for a stripease at a bachelor/bachelorette party" and stuff like that. Who the fuck cares? Don't you have anything better to do? I'm a CLAMP fanboy, and even that garbage creeps me out.

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While I haven't started or even posted in those threads, gj on the personal attacks by citing specific threads. If you don't like it, just get over it. If anything, you sound like you're the one taking it too seriously. It's stupid harmless fun for those involved. Also, you failed with the original poster's request that things stay polite.

something

12-30-2005, 09:42 AM

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Darkseid said:
Why is there so much fervor from female fans about yaoi, slashfics and related elements but relatively little from men about yuri?

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Wahaha, you've missed a lot of threads apparently XD

Suwako Moriya

12-30-2005, 09:46 AM

I happen to like cute girls. So I can be motivated to at least check out a series because of that. However let the record be shown that just because a series has cute girls does not mean I'll like it. For example I hate Maburaho. While I love Mahoraba Heartful Days. Of course some I've never even watched at all. For various reasons. Be it I just don't want to or I've never heard of it. Even the classic I'm too lazy right now answer.

Also while the shows do have cute girls, they still vary from each other. Oh all right in some the differences are more major. For example you could make the case Angel Tales and Sister Princess don't vary much. However if one actually thinks that Lamune and Rabuge are similiar then that proves that people are incapable of actually paying attention to what they watch.

As for keeping tracks of all the girls. It really depends on the series. For example to keep it simple. Two show have 4 females. In the first series the main female gets 40% of the focus herself. While the other girls get 20% of the focus each. In this case it's not too hard to keep track of the girls. However say in another series the main female gets 85% of the focus while the other girls get only 5% each. That makes it hard to keep track of the girls.

YUAchip

12-30-2005, 09:58 AM

I stand mystified by the number of "fans" who seem to spend all their time in a frantic search for some reason to complain and NOT like a show or release. I've never seen a hobby where so many participants don't seem to get any actual enjoyment from it.
Chip

something

12-30-2005, 09:59 AM

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Pyocola said:
The one thing I don't understand is how people can watch every damn show, wave after wave, in the endless flow of colourful "cute" girl shows/"H-game-based anime without the H" without getting tired: DearS, Girls Bravo, Shuffle, Happy Lesson, Yumeria, Da Capo, Rozen Maiden, Negima, Rabuge, My-HiME, Daphne, Green Green, Sister Princess, Lamune, Mahoraba, Maburaho etc. etc. I mean there are only so many hairstyle/colour combinations you can do, not to mention that these shows often feature some of the most horribly generic designs of them all. I just don't get how people can keep track of all the girls and keep their interest up.

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First, My~HiME is quite out of place in that list. I have no idea where that came from, unless you're lumping every single show with bishoujo in it as being "the same". Which, of course, would be absurd. That brings up my other point -- those shows are really quite different from one another, for the most part (not all of them though). What I'm looking for when I watch a show is a specific hook, a good unique feature or two, a nice break from cliche here or there. It could be a specific character I really connect with, the way an individual relationship is handled, a nice twist from what I expected to happen, etc.

I kept watching AIR beyond the first couple episodes because Yukito was a surprisingly strong male lead in what appeared on the surface, but actually wasn't, a harem anime. I enjoyed Da Capo because of the quirky side stories and equally quirky role of "magic" in the show. I stuck with Mahoraba because... well, it's wonderfully written, absolutely hilarious, and Tamami is fantastic. I've just started Rozen Maiden just recently and am still tentative about it, but the designs are interesting, I want to see what kind of role Suigin Tou plays, and a few other things. I'll be dropping it like a burning coal if it starts trying to "sexualize" the dolls though... but so far it hasn't at all, which is nice. I stuck with Shuffle initially because it showed a bit more emotional depth than I was expecting -- I was expecting it to be pretty shallow and cookie-cutter, and have subsequently been pleasantly surprised. I'm happily watching Canvas 2 because I liked Elis, and the lead male is older and more mature than the average for that kind of show. I loved Honey and Clover because the characters are further on in life than your "middle/high school" characters -- they're graduating college, worrying about their thesis projects, and getting jobs in the real world. The list goes on. Each show has its own reason for being.

When there's something like that, I can usually stick with a show, assuming it's competently written. I like to take each show on its own merit, and not say "Oh it's another school romance, it must automatically suck" or "Oh, another girls with guns show, it must automatically suck". Do I pass up a lot of shows? Of course. If a show doesn't sink that hook into me in the first few episodes, I'm likely to ditch it. I watched two episodes of Suzuka, wasn't impresed, and went on with my life. Coincidentally I hear from many people that it got good, but such is life. It just didn't find that hook with me, personally.

In the end, all you can do is a watch a show without, so to speak, judging it by its cover. "Oh, they're in school uniforms, this show will inevitably be mindless shitty drivel" is a choice someone can make if they want, but I'd wager they're missing out on a lot if they do this over a period of time out of habit. If they're blind buying, then fine, be more discriminating, but don't tell me a show is crap if you (2nd person plural, non-specific) haven't seen it. I am very, very happy that I am someone who is quite capable of looking at a show for what it actually is, and nothing more. I've found and enjoyed dozens of utter gems because of it.

machineger4

12-30-2005, 10:02 AM

something

12-30-2005, 10:16 AM

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I'm still puzzled by Evangelion fandom. My theory is that it's a show about angsty teens and Deep Mysteries that hit just the right nerve with an angsty teen audience when it first came out. Now that those angsty teens have grown up, their nostalgia keeps it going. Sortof like one of those things "you had to be there" to fully understand.

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Kinda. I love Eva, although it's lost a tad of its shine over time, dropping from my top threee to swimming in the latter half of my top ten -- but thats as much because I've seen other shows that are better as it is because I've changed my opinion on Eva itself. I think for a lot of us, Evangelion was one of the earliest shows in our fandom that really showed us that anime was, or at least could be, something we had never experienced before. That's how it happened with me at least.

And hell, it's just a very well done show. ::shrugs:: I like it a lot.

Isuzu Inugami

12-30-2005, 11:07 AM

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Why is there so much fervor from female fans about yaoi, slashfics and related elements but relatively little from men about yuri?

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Are you reading the same boards as me /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

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Yeah, there've been a couple fairly fervored threads here lately. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

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On a related note, I don't really get the yuri obsession either, and I really don't get cases like the Shiznat stuff

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Well, from my perspective as a male yuri fan, there are a couple of things. First of all, on the level of raw smut, I'm not interested in guys, so why would I want one mucking up the, ah, service? Yuri is just more efficient in this regard /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

But the main appeal is the whole emotional drama of the "transgressive, forbidden love" aspect. You can get that with yaoi, of course, but like I say, some of us prefer pretty girls over pretty boys.

Assuming I've got a clue what you're talking about with the "Shiznat" stuff, I think it's a case of just being happy to have something in which the yuri relationship is the driving relationship of the show and isn't doomed or unrequited, even if it takes some troubling turns.

Suwako Moriya

12-30-2005, 11:14 AM

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Even when two series are quite similiar to each other. There are still differences. I mean Sister Princess, Futakoi, and Angel Tales all involve one guy plus twelve girls. However the feel of each series is a bit different. Actually I'm currently in the middle of rewatching Futakoi by the way.

Still something to think about. Five different anime can have the same basic story, but develop in completely different ways. However the problem is in order to truly prove this. You'd have to spoil all five series. Often what makes some series different is in the spoilers. Well not always, but sometimes it is.

Citizen Klaus

12-30-2005, 11:18 AM

Scaramanga

12-30-2005, 11:22 AM

Whew, a lot of stuff to cover. Also, I'd like to clarify that there is a difference between disliking something in anime or its fandom and just plain not understanding it. For example: I have an extreme dislike of Eva fanboys, especially those who denigrate any other 'boy-pilots-mecha-to-save-the-world' show as an Eva-clone. But that's not to say I don't understand where they're coming from, as I myself was once fairly vocal about my passion for all things Eva.

Anyway, on to my actual lack of understanding:
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1. Those who decide a series is automatically crap just because it has fanservice. Even if the fanservice is at worst wearing one piece swimsuits. Cover the eyes!

2. Those who decide to no longer like a series just because it's gone mainstream or whatever. Ie more than five people are able to watch it. I'd kill if some series got this chance. Then maybe they'd be translated before I die.

3. Those with vendettas. Either against a specific company or a specific anime. Or heck even a specific person. Be it a real person or a fictional character. Occasional debate is one thing, but a vendetaa is another.

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All of the above; I totally don't get ANY of these kinds of people. Mainly it boils down to the fact that I can't understand why some (the majority of?) anime fans can't just relax and enjoy anime for what it is, a leisure pursuit and entertainment.

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The thing about anime fandom I don't understand is how a lot of fans think that the big anime dvd companies like funi or adv owe us good releases, and when a poor box is released, there is uproar.

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I don't think I grasp your meaning. If you're just talking box sturdiness, then I agree that I don't care. I'll just not buy the box (not that I buy them anyway). As for actual content-affecting issues, why don't they owe us a competent (good) release? We're paying them, right? Isn't that the basis of the whole market dynamic? I don't expect every release to be perfect, since most things that can "go wrong" are irrelevant and minor, but it should at least be "good".

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But that's the problem isn't it? 'Good' is so subjective with the majority of releases. Also, you missed what I consider the most important part of masaki86's post:
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I for one count our selves lucky that we have so many good quality companes releasing so many titles over here in the west.

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Unless there is some problem with a DVD that renders it physically unwatchable, and as long as it has a sub and a dub I kinda consider THAT a 'good' release that I'd be willing to pay money for.

Isuzu Inugami

12-30-2005, 11:23 AM

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The Giant Robot thing

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They aren't really something you can take seriously as military technology. They don't make sense on that level--there are much more efficient ways of busting things up using less bulky and complicated machines. But really, giant robot shows are character drama about the pilots, not the technology itself. So it's okay. Although it would be interesting to see a show about a society which very deliberately chooses to use giant robots, in spite of their drawbacks. I don't think anyone's tackled it from this angle....

Vicserr

12-30-2005, 11:26 AM

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Dani said:
Giant freaking backlogs of doom. When you start getting into the triple digits, there's something wrong. Why buy it if you're not going to watch it? Stick that money in the bank, earn the interest on it, buy the show when you have the time to watch it.

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I agree. I understand people don't have an unlimited amount of free time, so backlogs are inevitable but if you're going to buy something, at least watch it or stop buying so you don't spend more on things that are just going to sit there for a long time. I don't see the logic in it (it's probably the collector's mentality) but it's not my money so it's not my problem.

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as one with a "Giant freaking backlogs of doom" there's something call life getting between me and my backlog. I have every intention of watching everything I own but work, house work, family, browsing the net and all that stuff gets in the way of anime watching /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif /images/graemlins/knowital.gif /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif /images/graemlins/knowital.gif

something

12-30-2005, 11:39 AM

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But that's the problem isn't it? 'Good' is so subjective with the majority of releases.

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But "adequate" (which I use synonymously with "good") isn't so hard to define. Bilingual, unedited, accurate translation, no fatal glitches, decent technical quality and *completely released if even remotely possible*. I'll even be leniant for monolingual releases very, very occasionally when the ONLY other choice was "no release at all". Heck, I'll generally be leniant if it's something that the R1 company simply doesn't have control over.

It's specifically because it seems so basic that I don't get why he said we aren't even entitled to a release thats merely "good". If he said we aren't entitled to utterly flawless releases that satifsy everyone ever, then I agree wholeheartedly. I also agree wholeheartedly if he says we aren't entitled to things they R1 companies simply cannot provide. Perfection is impossible. So if thats what he meant, then I agree, but would reword his post if it were mine, to be clearer.

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I for one count our selves lucky that we have so many good quality companes releasing so many titles over here in the west.

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I read it and agree that it's a great thing, but I disagree with the implication, whether or not it is what he meant to imply: "Be happy with what you got, even if released poorly, because they're doing you a favor." Business do not do favors, they do business. That is the one absolute truth about business that I'll accept.

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Unless there is some problem with a DVD that renders it physically unwatchable, and as long as it has a sub and a dub I kinda consider THAT a 'good' release that I'd be willing to pay money for.

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So... then we agree. And don't you think we're entitled to that, given that we ARE the consumer, and the companies don't exist without consumers? Really, I'm so not asking for much at all. I am remarkably easy going compared to most people around here.

fantasydewdrop

12-30-2005, 12:37 PM

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Shsway said:
Angels I get, bunnygirls I get, but catgirls?

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Well, is a bunnygirl REALLY that much different than a catgirl? They both have animal ears and tails. Some people just prefer cats to rabbits.

fantasydewdrop

12-30-2005, 12:41 PM

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Philemon said:
b) Is there more to female anime fans than their interest in watching shonen-ai?

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Not all females stick purely to shounen-ai and yaoi. Hell, on my anime shelf alone I hit most genres. My female friends also hit on many genres as well.

Collectonian

12-30-2005, 01:01 PM

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DrMM said:
I don't blind buy a lot, since I don't buy that many DVD's. However, if I'm interested in a series, other than reading about it on here, the only way for me to see it is to blind buy. Not all places in the U.S. have anime rentals and some of us don't think that they'd use netflix enough to make it worth it.

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Minor correction, but all places in the US have anime rentals now with services like RentAnime.com ;-) Can understand on the Netflix though. I used to use it like crazy, but to cut back on spending and because I've been slow watching lately, I went down to their one disc out at a time place.

One more thing that mystifies me: people's abject horror if you mention cutting the covers when thinpaking. They are pieces of paper...except for the occasional rare series like Sailor Moon, its not worth all that much and if you actually like the series enough to keep it anyway, who cares about resell value? Space is more important to me than losing 1 mm per side of a cover.

Scaramanga

12-30-2005, 01:13 PM

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Scaramanga said:
Unless there is some problem with a DVD that renders it physically unwatchable, and as long as it has a sub and a dub I kinda consider THAT a 'good' release that I'd be willing to pay money for.

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So... then we agree. And don't you think we're entitled to that, given that we ARE the consumer, and the companies don't exist without consumers? Really, I'm so not asking for much at all. I am remarkably easy going compared to most people around here.

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I just think 'entitled' or 'owed' are the wrong words. But yes, I think for the most part we agree. Are there really that many releases that fall outside of my specifications though?

Also completely OT, but disarm you NEED to watch Suzuka.

fantasydewdrop

12-30-2005, 01:28 PM

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Pyocola said:
The bishounen/"guys that look like girls"-thing and why so many women lust after them has me a bit puzzled as well. I mean I can sort of relate, the best looking guys are often the ones who look the most feminine, but then I'm a guy. Wouldn't thinking like that make all those women you know, like, secretly lesbian or something? /images/graemlins/stunned0.gif

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No more than liking a tomboy would make a guy secretly gay.
I think it's moreso a personal taste thing and isn't as absolute as you're thinking it is. Anime and manga has a lot more of the dainty guys than western media has. Most of the guys that are considered "hot" in the media here tend to be on the more buff and muscular side. Not all of us like that. I sure as hell aren't attracted to all the muscles. One of the major reasons why I don't particuarly like the art style used for western comics is because it seems like that guy that does anything interesting in them is either very well built or fat. I know one of the things that I like about anime and manga is the fact that there's lots of guys that aren't muscular. A guy doesn't have to be ripped to save the world in anime and manga. He can be snuggly, adorable, pretty, or average. The action heroes don't have to look like they're married to the gym. Besides, if your power is to shoot _____ power at enemies out of your ____, then the muscles are kind of frivilous....
Personally I just tend to find the snugglier, cutesier guys more attractive than the big buff ones, but then again I'm fairly masculine myself so maybe that plays into why I prefer non-masculine guys. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

something

12-30-2005, 01:36 PM

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Scaramanga said:
I just think 'entitled' or 'owed' are the wrong words. But yes, I think for the most part we agree. Are there really that many releases that fall outside of my specifications though?

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No, which, again, makes me wonder why he says we shouldn't expect to get that. It's the norm, it's what all companies are supposed to do, but we shouldn't expect it? Makes no sense. And "entitled"/"owed" certainly carry a lot of baggage as terms, but but when you consider we're only talking about paying hard earned money for legit items, then yes, I feel we are entitled to the type of release you and I have been discussing.

It was the other poster's implication, intended or not, that we are NOT entitled to that basic "good" release, that I took issue to. And again, if their following comment about box sturdiness was all he was talking about, and they meant nothing about the actual quality of the release overall, then it's all moot anyways.

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Also completely OT, but disarm you NEED to watch Suzuka.

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Heh, I've got too many darn shows lined up already, and when they all get licensed I'm already gonna be in trouble /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif Too much anime!

Suwako Moriya

12-30-2005, 01:40 PM

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KasiTL said: A guy doesn't have to be ripped to save the world in anime and manga.

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It seems like in some anime if you look strong then in reality it means you're a wimp and you'll get your ass kicked by the hero. It's probably done to make the hero look impressive, but it also gives the impression that having muscles makes you a wimp. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

DrMM

12-30-2005, 01:54 PM

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Collectonian said:
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DrMM said:
I don't blind buy a lot, since I don't buy that many DVD's. However, if I'm interested in a series, other than reading about it on here, the only way for me to see it is to blind buy. Not all places in the U.S. have anime rentals and some of us don't think that they'd use netflix enough to make it worth it.

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Minor correction, but all places in the US have anime rentals now with services like RentAnime.com ;-) Can understand on the Netflix though. I used to use it like crazy, but to cut back on spending and because I've been slow watching lately, I went down to their one disc out at a time place.

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Rentanime.com has the same problem that netflix does, in my mind. I have to pay a monthly membership fee and watch at least two DVD's from them a month, which may or may not happen. I'm not going to pay $20 a month for a service I might not end up using. If there was a B&M rental store around, I wouldn't hesitate to use it, since I'd know I'd watch it right away. However, while those services might be great for people who can marathon series, they'd never work for me.

I don't think of an on-line rental store qualifies as automatically having access to anime rentals.

Isuzu Inugami

12-30-2005, 02:03 PM

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KasiTL said: A guy doesn't have to be ripped to save the world in anime and manga.

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It seems like in some anime if you look strong then in reality it means you're a wimp and you'll get your ass kicked by the hero. It's probably done to make the hero look impressive, but it also gives the impression that having muscles makes you a wimp. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Yeah, KaisTL, stop chasing after those skinny manly-men and give some poor musclebound wimp a chance! /images/graemlins/wink.gif

The Pirate Queen

12-30-2005, 02:12 PM

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Vicserr said:

as one with a "Giant freaking backlogs of doom" there's something call life getting between me and my backlog. I have every intention of watching everything I own but work, house work, family, browsing the net and all that stuff gets in the way of anime watching /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif /images/graemlins/knowital.gif /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif /images/graemlins/knowital.gif

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But that's exactly what I don't get - you know you only have so much time to watch due to other commitments, why not reduce your purchases accordingly? Once you do get a backlog of that size, why not stop buying until you've worked through it?

And I have a life, too, so you can't pull the "no backlog = no life" card. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

excel7769

12-30-2005, 02:22 PM

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Shimauma said:
They aren't really something you can take seriously as military technology. They don't make sense on that level--there are much more efficient ways of busting things up using less bulky and complicated machines. But really, giant robot shows are character drama about the pilots, not the technology itself. So it's okay. Although it would be interesting to see a show about a society which very deliberately chooses to use giant robots, in spite of their drawbacks. I don't think anyone's tackled it from this angle....

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I agree, the genre itself isn't something I have a problem with, it's where the idea came from that kinda mystifies me. At one point in time someone thought that giant robots running amok would be an entertaining idea, and it worked!! Your idea is really good, I don't think there are anime's out there that deal with that issue. I'd watch it if it was a comedy. Kinda what they did in The Incredibles. Just thinking of the idea of someone suing NERV or something like that for smashing their car makes me chuckle. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

tuffy

12-30-2005, 02:36 PM

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Your idea is really good, I don't think there are anime's out there that deal with that issue. I'd watch it if it was a comedy. Kinda what they did in The Incredibles. Just thinking of the idea of someone suing NERV or something like that for smashing their car makes me chuckle. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Sounds vaguely like Dai-Guard, where the heroes and their superiors are always grappling with the monetary and legal aspects of operating a giant robot to save the world. It's heavy on comedy, though it also has its serious moments.

Suwako Moriya

12-30-2005, 02:38 PM

Now what I am about to say refers to myself. Because I'm pathetic (not going to lie), I have no life and thus I end up collecting series slowly. Which makes me wonder one thing.

Currently I have multiple incomplete series. Four volumes left for Sister Princess, Two left for Angel Tales, One left for Bottle Fairy. Galaxy Angel is complete, but then there are the other seasons of that. I don't think we've completed Kiddy Grade either, but I'm not the one that started that or Galaxy Angel come to think of it.

So with multiple incomplete series and such. What do I decide to? I end up starting on Scrapped Princess and will try to start on My-HiME as soon as possible. Not to mention the fact I still have Kanon R2 to complete. I have yet to get volumes 5 and 6.

The idea that with multiple series left incomplete, I'm willing to start on yet another series such as My-HiME. Heck while I'm not going to get the R2s for Happy 7. I'll give it time to be licensed hopefully first. I still have plans to get at least one of the music CDs for it. Which has the effect of slowing down series completion anyway.

Okay that was long winded. I just find the idea of this extremely silly. Even sillier is the fact I'm the one doing it. Heh maybe this is a good reason to wait for collections....

AnnaSartin

12-30-2005, 02:54 PM

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Why is there so much fervor from female fans about yaoi, slashfics and related elements but relatively little from men about yuri?

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Maybe women are just more passionate! *hugs her Yaoi collection* /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

Ambers79

12-30-2005, 03:35 PM

I don't get the huge backlogs either. I can see having one every once in a while after a sale or something, but I don't understand have one huge backlog all the time that never gets smaller.

12-30-2005, 05:44 PM

I'm surprised about some people's obsessions with nipples in anime. There are threads that actually discuss whether there are nipples in an anime or not. Is "nipplage" even a real word?

I'm not as surprised about some female fans' obsession with yaoi, since men are equally interested in girl-on-girl porn.

The backlogs of some people are scary. With hundreds of DVDs in the backlog, why do they even bother buying anything new?

For the R1 anime scene, I'm surprised that shoujo shows don't sell well, when shoujo manga are doing so well.

Shsway

12-30-2005, 08:55 PM

Alright. It's a quiet Friday night, and I have this need to involve myself heavily in everyone's conversations. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

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Philemon said:
b) Is there more to female anime fans than their interest in watching shonen-ai?

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On these forums there is. After some exposure to the way things work in other places, I'm always astounded at how awesome the BL/Yaoi fangirls are here. Mostly because they write intelligently and often have a ton of varied interests across the spectrum, besides that one genre. Which isn't to say that some people still make me scratch my head, but at least they seem as happy with the hobby as I am. That's the most important thing here.

One always likes watching what personally appeals most. What is your favorite aspect of Japanese animation? I like the depth to many stories and the amount of sci-fi and cute on hand. Cute that is often available without the cliched and tired humor of most of what's on American TV today, with regards to animation. Checking out what another culture gets off on is fascinating, to be sure.

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I suppose I just don't understand the whole Moe thing. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Assuming I've got the definition down pat, this is a somewhat more broad and complicated thing. I kind of "get it" by default: key characteristics that are universally appealing in anime women, right? Like the right glasses and hair style? Not an age thing, but a charm point, right? Right? *Scratches head, unsure of how else to proceed with this*

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Chuplayer said:
People who double dip seemingly just for the hell of it. For example, I saw this when the Cardcaptor Sakura book sets were coming out. Why get them if you have all 18 individual DVDs? The only new thing is that "book" case, and if you're so hell-bent on getting a Clow Book to hold your DVDs, you could probably get one custom-made for yourself for less than you would spend double dipping. It would probably look nicer, too. I love my CCS book sets, but damn!

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It might also be a "support" thing. You know, showing the companies that people are interested in a type of show or a genre through sales figures? That's what I've always assumed. Few people are able to simply throw cash at the same discs in a series just for the look of the packaging, though there are certainly a few here who can do just that.

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Dani said:
Giant freaking backlogs of doom. When you start getting into the triple digits, there's something wrong. Why buy it if you're not going to watch it?

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Its easier & cheaper to bulk buy series now more than ever before.
Its easier to buy thousands of minutes of viewing time, than find slots in your life to watch them - unless you're insomniac or a webmaster of a fan site /images/graemlins/wink.gif .

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Haha, yeah. I didn't understand the concept of the backlog until last year, or the year before. Sometimes a sale can really damn you, when it comes to watching a bunch of stuff in a timely manner. I don't fully get triple-digit backlogs either, but I guess it's like finding a moment for the standard backlog X amount of money readily available . Plus the collection thing, which I briefly got into, earlier in the thread.

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masaki86 said:
The thing about anime fandom I don't understand is how a lot of fans think that the big anime dvd companies like funi or adv owe us good releases, and when a poor box is released, there is uproar.

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Eh. There's always that hope for the sturdiest, glossiest treatment for a favorite series. Some people take it more seriously than others, yeah, but some shows really DO get the shaft when it comes to the packaging, and to a latter extent, marketing of said shows. The content matters, but sometimes, it hurts to not have its best qualities, as perceived by some, reflected in some physical way, outside of the DVDs.

WeirdlyGruesome

12-30-2005, 09:03 PM

In many ways, AoD, in and of itself, puzzles me.

Shsway

12-30-2005, 09:24 PM

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Darkseid said:
Then again, I'm a guy who has never found yuri interesting either. Maybe I'm just weird.

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Nah. But if you were to have an interest in the genre, yeah, the conversations and yearnings for its ilk would stick up in your reading, for sure.

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Pyocola said:
The bishounen/"guys that look like girls"-thing and why so many women lust after them has me a bit puzzled as well. I mean I can sort of relate, the best looking guys are often the ones who look the most feminine, but then I'm a guy.

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I don't think I can fully appreciate the "lust", but I can understand how it may be appealing to some women to see a man who cares enough about his appearance to make that extra, preening effort (in a very fictional sense, to have the deserved attention of a female onlooker). A lot of times, those kinds of guys can be just as conceited or confident (take your pick) as the average Joe, but either thing can still be an attractive quality to women. I hardly think that these women who are especially attracted to the bishielicious characters see them as "girly" or even "feminine" at all.

And hey, most people gravitate towards lookers anyway, right? Soft edges versus what's rugged or unkept? I don't know.

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"No subtitles on songs = boycott & hate mail"

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This is the only one I will argue for. If not for a sheer curiosity to know what the Japanese performer is saying, it's simply nice to get some sort of feel for the mood that was attempted through the use or insertion of certain songs. When these aren't translated, a lot of viewers feel like they're missing the very CHANCE to understand what the song is trying to convey, the mood of the scene it is placed in, sometimes within the context of the overall plot.

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tuffy said:
I'm still puzzled by Evangelion fandom. My theory is that it's a show about angsty teens and Deep Mysteries that hit just the right nerve with an angsty teen audience when it first came out. Now that those angsty teens have grown up, their nostalgia keeps it going. Sortof like one of those things "you had to be there" to fully understand.

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Well, as a fan who just got into it this year (last?), I can say that there is just something about the way the main character is painted in relation to the plot. I am not a teenager, but I was definitely going through a spot of time that allowed me to relate and understand the bits that related to self-loathing and negative introspection. I think a lot of us have been there before at some point in life, which is why I see this show as having a very clear-cut love/hate relationship with viewers; very little middle ground about it, to my eye. In many ways, I consider the end of the TV series, at least, a kick in the butt to certain underlying feelings of despair and poor self worth that linger when they aren't wanted, or when they are easier to cling to, rather than actually taking the first stab at solving a bigger problem.

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Darkseid said:
Why is there so much fervor from female fans about yaoi, slashfics and related elements but relatively little from men about yuri?

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Are you reading the same boards as me /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

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Yeah, there've been a couple fairly fervored threads here lately. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

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Main R1 board, still on the first page, I think.

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But the main appeal is the whole emotional drama of the "transgressive, forbidden love" aspect. You can get that with yaoi, of course, but like I say, some of us prefer pretty girls over pretty boys.

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Not to say that a lot of men don't react in a particularly sensitive, "sighing" manner, the way that female fans might when it comes to visuals of these dramatic moments, but I can see where it might be easy for them to at least cheer a potential couple heartily. To revel in the raw beauty of tension that finds a response, and a confirmation of equally warm, romantic feelings. It's just human nature, I think.

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...I think it's a case of just being happy to have something in which the yuri relationship is the driving relationship of the show and isn't doomed or unrequited, even if it takes some troubling turns.

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Yeah, there's enough of that in literature and media, both classic and shiny-new. I'm afraid I didn't get the "Shiznat" thing though...completely flew over my head.

Fencedude

12-30-2005, 09:26 PM

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...I think it's a case of just being happy to have something in which the yuri relationship is the driving relationship of the show and isn't doomed or unrequited, even if it takes some troubling turns.

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Yeah, there's enough of that in literature and media, both classic and shiny-new. I'm afraid I didn't get the "Shiznat" thing though...completely flew over my head.

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Its a reference to a very popular Shoujo-ai pairing.

Its an...interesting relationship. Such as it is at any rate.

Shsway

12-30-2005, 09:35 PM

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Shsway said:
Angels I get, bunnygirls I get, but catgirls?

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Well, is a bunnygirl REALLY that much different than a catgirl? They both have animal ears and tails. Some people just prefer cats to rabbits.

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Ah, I guess. Maybe the existence of Playboy has simply made it so that I'm more used to the idea of women as bunnies more than felines? I mean, the idea behind the latter does make sense, in the context of certain qualities that embody the appeal of so many women, but once you add the ears and tail, I don't know. I feel confused. I just don't see a tail as something erotic. And rabbits have always been more cute than erotic to me, so...

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Mimi Masuko said:
Currently I have multiple incomplete series. Four volumes left for Sister Princess, Two left for Angel Tales, One left for Bottle Fairy. Galaxy Angel is complete, but then there are the other seasons of that. I don't think we've completed Kiddy Grade either, but I'm not the one that started that or Galaxy Angel come to think of it.

So with multiple incomplete series and such. What do I decide to? I end up starting on Scrapped Princess and will try to start on My-HiME as soon as possible. Not to mention the fact I still have Kanon R2 to complete. I have yet to get volumes 5 and 6.

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That's easy. You simply want as much "new and shiny" as possible. Not something wrong or even odd, but it can get out of control if one isn't careful. Every now and then, I succumb to it myself, in part because I simply want a limb in everything, but I also like keeping up with the rest of the fandom, at least with the folks on AoD. I like being able to discuss what I'm watching with someone, and if several someones are watching the very same show that I am within the same period of time, it's an extra motivator to stay up to speed.

Or perhaps you just want to support everything that you've ever liked in passing. That's natural too.

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Anna Sartin said:
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Darkseid said:
Why is there so much fervor from female fans about yaoi, slashfics and related elements but relatively little from men about yuri?

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Maybe women are just more passionate! *hugs her Yaoi collection* /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

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I've seen more female "squee"ers than male, but the latter are certainly out there!

Now that I think of it, maybe it's because it seems to be an instinctively female thing to follow a pairing's development as one might a soap opera (though both genders can get hooked on melodrama and such in their own way).

Citizen Klaus

12-30-2005, 09:40 PM

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Aiia said:
I suppose I just don't understand the whole Moe thing. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Assuming I've got the definition down pat, this is a somewhat more broad and complicated thing. I kind of "get it" by default: key characteristics that are universally appealing in anime women, right? Like the right glasses and hair style? Not an age thing, but a charm point, right? Right? *Scratches head, unsure of how else to proceed with this*

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If she's referring to moe as a character style, then age does tend to play a role, as the typical moe girl is roughly around 16-17 years old (or younger) in appearance. I'd say roughly 10-17 as a rule-of-thumb age range. Note that this applies to physical appearance and behavior (though the latter to a lesser degree), not mental development. For example, Evangeline from Negima! (adult mind in a child's body) would count as moe, but Mizuho-sensei from Onegai Teacher (childish mind in an adult's body) would not.

Now if she's referring to moe as in the otaku lifestyle, that's a different matter altogether. (This is the lifestyle where guys -- and it is an entirely male phenomenon, so far as I can tell -- swear off dating real-life girls altogether in favor of lavishing their attentions on ren-ai videogames and bishoujo anime.)

something

12-30-2005, 09:44 PM

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Citizen Klaus said:
Now if she's referring to moe as in the otaku lifestyle, that's a different matter altogether. (This is the lifestyle where guys -- and it is an entirely male phenomenon, so far as I can tell -- swear off dating real-life girls altogether in favor of lavishing their attentions on ren-ai videogames and bishoujo anime.)

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I personally have no problem with moe, think it's pretty cool in fact (when it doesnt get creepy loli or anything), but yeah... this "personal behavior" aspect of moe is nothing I want to be a part of /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

martod

12-30-2005, 10:01 PM

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I suppose I just don't understand the whole Moe thing. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Assuming I've got the definition down pat, this is a somewhat more broad and complicated thing. I kind of "get it" by default: key characteristics that are universally appealing in anime women, right? Like the right glasses and hair style? Not an age thing, but a charm point, right? Right? *Scratches head, unsure of how else to proceed with this*

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If she's referring to moe as a character style, then age does tend to play a role, as the typical moe girl is roughly around 16-17 years old (or younger) in appearance. I'd say roughly 10-17 as a rule-of-thumb age range. Note that this applies to physical appearance and behavior (though the latter to a lesser degree), not mental development. For example, Evangeline from Negima! (adult mind in a child's body) would count as moe, but Mizuho-sensei from Onegai Teacher (childish mind in an adult's body) would not.

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Actually I though moe is more about how sweet and innocent the girl is than physical appearance--hence Nodoka would be moe and Evangeline would not be. Just the way I see it. Besides, if just being between 10 and 17 years old makes you moe, than 95% of anime girls qualify.

Njr Scrawl

12-31-2005, 11:19 AM

Backlog = library to me. It frees me from concern about how, when & where & I watch anime, but gives a choice of titles for selection on whim.

Series going OOP or are hard to get are not a concern. !st release extras are there to watch already. I can marathon or watch half an episode. Its about freedom of enjoyment. More expensive than waiting for sets, but I have few regrets.

Only trouble with importing is that if I wanted to sell, its harder & hardly worth the money I'd make. Even home region anime DVDs get little on sale.

musouka

12-31-2005, 12:41 PM

I really don't get why people automatically assume fangirls are panting over the feminine boys. When girls watch Gravitation (yuck) do you honestly think they're drooling over Shuuichi? Or do you think they're identifying with Shuuichi, enjoying the "forbidden love" aspect, and maybe...just maybe drooling over the rest of the male cast, who coincidentally happen to look like guys? Unless you think long hair = OMG, it's a GIRL!

Just a thought.

Chacranajxy

12-31-2005, 12:48 PM

Why in God's name are there guys who buy nothing but shojo crap and think Princess Tutu is the second coming? As ignorant as that may sound, I can't and probably never will understand.

Johnny

12-31-2005, 12:53 PM

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Why in God's name are there guys who buy nothing but shojo crap and think Princess Tutu is the second coming? As ignorant as that may sound, I can't and probably never will understand.

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Heh, you're probably gonna need a shield after saying that considering there are plenty of guys like that on here, but I gotta agree - I just don't get the whole shojo thing either.
But if you're into it, that's cool.

musouka

12-31-2005, 01:03 PM

Suwako Moriya

12-31-2005, 01:15 PM

In my own personal case, I just watch and buy stuff. I'm not exactly into an automatic love or an automatic hatred of something just because it is Shoujo or Shounen. Although there are times I feel some go into a series with an intent to hate it.

bctaris

12-31-2005, 03:27 PM

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Why in God's name are there guys who buy nothing but shojo crap and think Princess Tutu is the second coming? As ignorant as that may sound, I can't and probably never will understand.

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Because Tutu is funny and entertaining, regardless of its target audience, and it's reminiscent, for me, of Magic Users Club (same staff and all that), which is surely not shoujo.

And I hardly buy nothing but shoujo...though I have no defense for why I like Card Captor Sakura. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Fencedude

12-31-2005, 03:41 PM

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Chacranajxy said:
Why in God's name are there guys who buy nothing but shojo crap and think Princess Tutu is the second coming? As ignorant as that may sound, I can't and probably never will understand.

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Why are there guys that buy nothing but shows featuring sweaty guys beating up on each other and dismiss anything with a significant female presense as being girly and shit?

Fencedude

12-31-2005, 03:43 PM

One thing that annoys me the most is the mentality that the Destination is more important than the journey. That no matter how good the first 25 episodes are, if hte ending isn't the ABSOLUTE BEST THING EVER it totally ruins the entire series.

I'm also annoyed by people who don't seem to actually pay attention to the show they are watching. If you are halfway through a series and don't have a basic grasp on what the hell is going on, don't look for sympathy from me. (yes there are series where this is excusable)

cartman414

12-31-2005, 03:44 PM

How some people not only tolerate marathon fights in anime, but apparently crave it. Case in point: DBZ. And don't get me started on the reveals on top of reveals over power levels.

As for double dipping, I've never really done it, though that new Trigun set is mighty tempting.

Johnny

12-31-2005, 03:49 PM

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Chacranajxy said:
Why in God's name are there guys who buy nothing but shojo crap and think Princess Tutu is the second coming? As ignorant as that may sound, I can't and probably never will understand.

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Why are there guys that buy nothing but shows featuring sweaty guys beating up on each other and dismiss anything with a significant female presense as being girly and shit?

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Because those are the sort of shows that are aimed at them? I couldn't care less what shows people like and dislike but personally I don't watch shojo shows not because they are girly or feminine or I feel the need to be a "man" and show my hate for them, but because I simply don't like them.
I do own CCS which I like and have tried various shojo series but at the end of the day just didn't like them.

If someone shows me a shojo series that I like then I'll watch it with no hesitation. I do admit though that I'm less likely to actively search out those series but it doesn't particularly bother me.

Fencedude

12-31-2005, 03:55 PM

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Why in God's name are there guys who buy nothing but shojo crap and think Princess Tutu is the second coming? As ignorant as that may sound, I can't and probably never will understand.

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Why are there guys that buy nothing but shows featuring sweaty guys beating up on each other and dismiss anything with a significant female presense as being girly and shit?

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Because those are the sort of shows that are aimed at them? I couldn't care less what shows people like and dislike but personally I don't watch shojo shows not because they are girly or feminine or I feel the need to be a "man" and show my hate for them, but because I simply don't like them.
I do own CCS which I like and have tried various shojo series but at the end of the day just didn't like them.

If someone shows me a shojo series that I like then I'll watch it with no hesitation. I do admit though that I'm less likely to actively search out those series but it doesn't particularly bother me.

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Which is fine.

I don't particularly give a shit about what a person likes or doesn't like. I do start caring when people start being jackasses about what OTHER people like.

Don't like Shoujo? Fine, I don't care. Just don't feel the need to mention it every single ****ing time its brought up.

I don't particularly like most sports anime, as a consequence I don't generally say anything about the genre.

something

12-31-2005, 03:55 PM

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Chacranajxy said:
Why in God's name are there guys who buy nothing but shojo crap and think Princess Tutu is the second coming? As ignorant as that may sound, I can't and probably never will understand.

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You don't have to, you just have to stop caring. While I don't "only" or even "generally" buy shoujo, I do like a number of shoujo shows or manga, and theres really nothing wrong with it. Just because you have some issue with it not being "manly" or whatever nonsense your hangup revolves around doesn't mean you shoud really care if others watch it.

Mr. Nail Bat

12-31-2005, 03:58 PM

I'm mystified by most fetishes, but then again, that's why they call them "fetishes."

something

12-31-2005, 03:58 PM

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I don't particularly like most sports anime, as a consequence I don't generally say anything about the genre.

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Agreed. A few posters here make a point of mentioning their utter confusion that men could, (gasp) like shoujo. And mentioning it. And mentioning it. And a few more times in case we didn't know they disapproved.

Yeah, I hate sports, and thus have zero interest in sports anime, but guess what... I don't question why people like it. Good for them, have fun, go nuts, why should I sit here and ponder why its popular?

something

12-31-2005, 04:14 PM

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I really don't get why people automatically assume fangirls are panting over the feminine boys.

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And just look at any guy in anime, even the "feminine" ones. They tend to be so fit in terms of muscles and crap that they could probably snap a textbook in half with two fingers. Hell, I've been catching up on Yakitate Japan, about BREAD MAKERS, and they've got like, linebacker shoulders and ten pack abs (really kinda creepy how they draw it). Even the horribly wussy and nerdy male lead characters in harem anime tend to look like casual bodybuilders. It could be that girls are just identifying with that as well, not just the fact that the "pretty boys" look like... I dunno, Gackt (who frightens me greatly btw).

Suwako Moriya

12-31-2005, 04:19 PM

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I've been under the impression that 90% of the time or more people seem to HATE how a series ends. It's like no ending is ever good enough. It's like people expect the final episode to preform some sort of miracle. It also doesn't help that some people are so dead set for or against a specific type of ending they wonder why they are often let down.

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Tell me about it. There are so many questions that wouldn't need to be asked if people would pay attention to what they watch. Heck I think some would enjoy certain series more if they paid better attention to what was going on. However I do have to admit sometimes I need a refresher course in certain series. Also at times I will go back and rewatch an episode to double check something. It's kind of good when one can discuss an anime with multiple people. In that way people can help each other out. Such as during the My-HiME discussion where some would point out stuff in earlier episodes in relation to later episodes.

something

12-31-2005, 04:24 PM

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Fencedude said:
One thing that annoys me the most is the mentality that the Destination is more important than the journey. That no matter how good the first 25 episodes are, if hte ending isn't the ABSOLUTE BEST THING EVER it totally ruins the entire series.

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Agreed. I can hate an ending but still like a show. First two that come to mind are Spiral (very good show) and My~HiME (#5 all time favorite). I also hate that Berserk and Kare Kano don't really have endings (both are understandable circumstances however), and yet the latter is top 10 material for me and the former isn't too far beyond that. Nadesico's ending (#4 favorite) is passable but not great, and I'm not a fan of the Evangelion TV ending (another top 10 favorite). Narutaru is killing me in its lack of a desparately needed second season from a very unfulfilling ending, but yet I am very happy to now own all the DVDs. Even if Shuffle disappoints at the end, I still enjoyed the ride, and it won't stop me from buying it if licensed.

Fantastic endings a la Full Moon o Sagashite or Stellvia (hell, even Azumanga) are the exception. I can't imagine being one of those people who says "The show was great but the ending sucked so I'm not buying it." Wuh!? The ending can sour a person a lot, but it shouldn't be allowed to destroy a show. Oh well.

Suwako Moriya

12-31-2005, 05:03 PM

You want a good recent example of people not paying attention to what they watch? SHUFFLE! itself. Yeah that's right. Seriously I can't believe they are people that feel the whole Asa and Rin relationship came out of nowhere. Did people completely ignore the progress of the story or the constant hints that kept coming up?

Heck I have another one. Why do people throw a fit when their precious favorite girl doesn't win the prize? Ie the main male character. I mean this has been going on since even the days of Tenchi Muyo and probably before. It's as if apparently a girl's entire worth boils down to winning the prize.

Seriously if you like a girl fine, but honestly you shouldn't need her to win the said prize. In fact I dare say in some series my favorite girl is far better off NOT winning the guy. Ie the guy doesn't deserve her. Oh you can guess what series I'm talking about.

I've learned long ago to never be too demanding about what girl I want to win. Especially since in most "harem" anime the winner is decided early on. So it's far better to hope each girl gets at least a decent focus in the anime instead.

Lego

12-31-2005, 05:08 PM

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You want a good recent example of people not paying attention to what they watch? SHUFFLE! itself. Yeah that's right. Seriously I can't believe they are people that feel the whole Asa and Rin relationship came out of nowhere. Did people completely ignore the progress of the story or the constant hints that kept coming up?

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Thats why I found myself liking Shuffle!(didn't think I would). I liked Asa's playful/athletic attitude. Kinda like when in one of the early episodes where Rin is running from the other girls' fan club members and he ducks under a table that Asa is at. She casually moves him so he is under her skirt, face to face with a panty shot. He ducks out after they leave and she says something like "Did you look under my skirt?", then when Rin denies it blushing, she says "Aww to bad".

Citizen Klaus

12-31-2005, 05:34 PM

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Hell, I've been catching up on Yakitate Japan, about BREAD MAKERS, and they've got like, linebacker shoulders and ten pack abs (really kinda creepy how they draw it).

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That whole series is one relentless parody of shounen fighting anime, particularly the _____ no Ken series. Even Mokoyama, that big ol' fruit, looks like he walked right off the pages of Fist of the Blue Sky. Heck, read a little of FotBS sometime; it's hilarious how many times Yakitate makes fun of Bronson's lessons on "how to be a real man". /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Legion

12-31-2005, 06:50 PM

something

12-31-2005, 06:52 PM

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Mimi Masuko said:
Yeah that's right. Seriously I can't believe they are people that feel the whole Asa and Rin relationship came out of nowhere. Did people completely ignore the progress of the story or the constant hints that kept coming up?

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Wahahaa, who said that? That's rather rediculous, it's been there since the beginning, it's just that they took somewhat too long to get to it explicitly.

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It's as if apparently a girl's entire worth boils down to winning the prize.

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Heh I don't think thats what people are going for when they say something like, "Tenchi must pick Ryoko!" They're just indicating who they like better and what direction they'd rather see the series take. It can have a major impact on the plot, and hence on their overall enjoyment of the character, relationship, or show itself.

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In fact I dare say in some series my favorite girl is far better off NOT winning the guy. Ie the guy doesn't deserve her.

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Haha, this is, however, often true.

AmericanBeauty

12-31-2005, 11:13 PM

I don't understand how some people accuse others of taking anime way too seriously. Could it be that they love the hobby so much that they want to see it in the best format possible? I think so.

I also don't understand the lack of genuinely good R1-licensed anime dramas. The main reason I haven't watched as much anime in 2005 as I have previously is that there just isn't much out that interests me.

something

01-01-2006, 03:49 AM

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I don't understand how some people accuse others of taking anime way too seriously. Could it be that they love the hobby so much that they want to see it in the best format possible? I think so.

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If you don't think some people here take it too far, then, well... I don't want to know what you consider to genuinely be "too far" /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

Njr Scrawl

01-01-2006, 04:47 AM

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I also don't understand the lack of genuinely good R1-licensed anime dramas. The main reason I haven't watched as much anime in 2005 as I have previously is that there just isn't much out that interests me.

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Its because the licensees think that their target demograhic & most casual buyers are more interested in some sort of conflict, &/or fanservice for oggling i.e more visual/events than thoughts & feelings. The fewer fans that want & appreciate drama are an uneconomic factor AFA licensing & releasing.

If licences were considered for appealing to/based on manga title popularity, it would be interesting to see what else might be licensed, that has been ignored or bypassed.

I'm pretty much out of R1 titles I want, compared to a couple years ago. The R2J market of both classic & shoujo (but not yaoi) titles is more appealing. (Need to get Genshiken & finish buying Hanadan - 2 good R1 releases about people.)

Be cool if either Honey & Clover or Kiminozo was to be licensed (not by Right Stuf).

Scaramanga

01-01-2006, 01:03 PM

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Air Of Benevolence said:
I don't understand how some people accuse others of taking anime way too seriously. Could it be that they love the hobby so much that they want to see it in the best format possible? I think so.

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Because it's one thing to like a series (and heck even be vocal about it,) but it's quite another to lambast any person who comes along who dislikes said show. Or people who can go on 10 paragraph rants (without using the complaint generator /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif) about why company X must be razed to the ground because there were a few errors in the translation. I think there comes a point where you're no longer watching anime to enjoy it, but to complain about it (and/or the companies that release it.) I just think that it so happens that the most vocal people tend to be the most anal-retentive and overzealous.

Suwako Moriya

01-01-2006, 01:28 PM

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Air Of Benevolence said:I don't understand how some people accuse others of taking anime way too seriously. Could it be that they love the hobby so much that they want to see it in the best format possible? I think so.

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There is a huge difference between being a fan and a fanatic. Take myself for example. I was the one wishing for Asagiri no Miko to get licensed. Which it finally was in July 2004. Okay so it was announced as licensed then. I have no idea how long MB had it before they announced it. Still in any case the point is like several series, the name was changed for the U.S release. Ie in this case it was changed to "Shrine of the Morning Mist" to be exact.

Now imagine if I went into every Shrine of the Morning Mist thread posting a huge long winded post about how Media Blasters was the ultimate source of evil for changing the name. That now because it says "Shrine of the Morning Mist" on the cover it means the series is completely unwatchable.

If you would not consider me a fanatic for doing that then I don't know what to say. For the record I prefer companies not to change the name of a series, but truth be told it's not exactly on my list of issues to be worried about.

Still I do feel some people jump the gun when accusing someone of taking a hobby too seriously. For example if person A says "This series sucks" and person B replies "I disagree. This is why the series is good" that does not mean that person B is taking the anime too seriously. Despite what some may think.

In the end it often depends on where you are in any given debate. If you are in the middle of the discussion. If you really love the series you stand a good chance of feeling you are not taking it too seriously. While if you don't like the series or you never even heard of it. Ie you are outside the discussion. You will most likely have a higher chance of feeling people in the middle of the discussion are in fact taking it too seriously.

Suwako Moriya

01-01-2006, 01:59 PM

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I don't have any exact posts, but if you browse the forum for SHUFFLE! at the place that shall not be named. You'll get an idea of what I mean. Although the number of fanclubs popping up is scary. Although due to the fact the forum was hacked a lot of the posts were lost. As well as some accounts including my account. Of course I registered again so all could be blessed by my presence.

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They're just indicating who they like better and what direction they'd rather see the series take.

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Which is fine. There is always a direction each of us want a show to go in. However there is a difference between a desired direction and being a fanatic about it. I mean personally I'd rather have Tenchi choose Ayeka than Ryoko. However I'll live if he chooses Ryoko. Where as some would probably slit their wrists.

Legion

01-01-2006, 02:08 PM

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Mimi Masuko said:
Now imagine if I went into every Shrine of the Morning Mist thread posting a huge long winded post about how Media Blasters was the ultimate source of evil for changing the name. That now because it says "Shrine of the Morning Mist" on the cover it means the series is completely unwatchable.

If you would not consider me a fanatic for doing that then I don't know what to say. For the record I prefer companies not to change the name of a series, but truth be told it's not exactly on my list of issues to be worried about.

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That's the problem I have. Minute details like translating a title or not providing a chipboard box option get blown out of proportion to the point where the worth of a release and/or company is measured purely by those little issues. When I read endless complaints about a crappy box or whatever and the poster in question is refusing to buy it, calling for boycotts, etc, etc, the only message that sends to me is the show isn't all that good. A good show should be able to rise well above translations and bad boxes.

01-01-2006, 02:13 PM

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Air Of Benevolence said:
I don't understand how some people accuse others of taking anime way too seriously. Could it be that they love the hobby so much that they want to see it in the best format possible? I think so.

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Let me put it this way: What we consider Anime is nothing more than animated cartoons that were made in Japan . But yet, some people think that it is so much more. And there are some people in this anime fandom think that once an R1 USA company like ADV for example, put some of their own money to co-produce an anime series, it's considered tainted and it's no longer can be called "anime".

Another one of my pet peeves: Constant R1 company bashing.
It's sort of like the "flavor of the month" thing. Right now, It's 4Kids. Sometimes they go as far as wishing for those companies to go out of business. I think people bash some of these companies because it's the cool thing to say at the time.

Danny

Legion

01-01-2006, 02:28 PM

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Daniel Perales said:
It's sort of like the "flavor of the month" thing. Right now, It's 4Kids. Sometimes they go as far as wishing for those companies to go out of business. I think people bash some of these companies because it's the cool thing to say at the time.

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4Kids bashing is hardly restricted to a particular month. /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif And while I agree with your overall point, I would not shed one tear if 4Kids went out of business.

Suwako Moriya

01-01-2006, 02:51 PM

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Legion said:When I read endless complaints about a crappy box or whatever and the poster in question is refusing to buy it, calling for boycotts, etc, etc, the only message that sends to me is the show isn't all that good.

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I can't blame you for that. In fact I get the same message from those people. To be exact I also get the message they must barely like the said series if they can boycott it over such minor details.

I also come from a different perspective because of the series I watch. Many I feel have a very low chance of being licensed. So when a company proves me wrong and licenses one of these said series, I consider it a miracle.

This is especially true in the current market. The doom and gloom messages many were sending made it seem like only auto-popular series would get licensed. So when Tsukiyomi Moon Phase got licensed, I considered it both a miracle and a sign of hope. Yes it's one of the series I plan to collect eventually. Of course when depends on multiple factors. Such as when it comes outs, what else I'm collecting at the time.

Finally there is a thing about being realistic. I'm quite sure that Happy 7 the TV Manga does not have a high chance of being licensed. However let's assume it does get licensed. It's not realistic to expect them to use the full title in the R1 version. In fact I'd actually be expecting them to shorten the title to "Happy 7" instead. Which to me would be the smart thing to do. There are several times I just call it "Happy 7".

leongsh

01-01-2006, 03:24 PM

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disarm said:
Wahahaa, who said that? That's rather rediculous, it's been there since the beginning, it's just that they took somewhat too long to get to it explicitly.

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I don't have any exact posts, but if you browse the forum for SHUFFLE! at the place that shall not be named. You'll get an idea of what I mean. Although the number of fanclubs popping up is scary. Although due to the fact the forum was hacked a lot of the posts were lost. As well as some accounts including my account. Of course I registered again so all could be blessed by my presence.

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Well, a large number of people "there" only remember what they want to remember from previous episodes and not many can contribute to discussions on anime. But fair deal to "that" site is there are also a decent number of members who post relevant and substantive posts there (far more such members there than here in the AoD forums /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif).

Suwako Moriya

01-01-2006, 03:45 PM

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leongsh said: But fair deal to "that" site is there are also a decent number of members who post relevant and substantive posts there (far more such members there than here in the AoD forums /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif).

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Which is one of the major reasons I joined the forums, rejoined the forums and still visit the forums there. It's kind of nice to read topics there. Including on some series where if you tried to start a discussion on them here, you may as well be talking to yourself. Of course even there, some series fall under the same category. That you may as well be talking to yourself.

something

01-01-2006, 04:56 PM

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Legion said:
That's the problem I have. Minute details like translating a title or not providing a chipboard box option get blown out of proportion to the point where the worth of a release and/or company is measured purely by those little issues.

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What often happens is that someone makes a stink about it, gets called on their craziness, and in retaliation, gets even more zealous. By the time they realize they're completely insane, it's too late to back down because it's a pride thing, and so they get increasingly angry to cover that up and...

Vicious circle.

something

01-01-2006, 04:58 PM

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Daniel Perales said:
It's sort of like the "flavor of the month" thing. Right now, It's 4Kids. Sometimes they go as far as wishing for those companies to go out of business. I think people bash some of these companies because it's the cool thing to say at the time.

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I agree completely that R1 bashing is out of hand, but come on, 4Kids is an utter joke and deserves everything we can throw at them. They're a really bad example for what you're trying to convey.

cartman414

01-01-2006, 07:40 PM

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Pyocola said:
The bishounen/"guys that look like girls"-thing and why so many women lust after them has me a bit puzzled as well. I mean I can sort of relate, the best looking guys are often the ones who look the most feminine, but then I'm a guy. Wouldn't thinking like that make all those women you know, like, secretly lesbian or something? /images/graemlins/stunned0.gif

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No more than liking a tomboy would make a guy secretly gay.
I think it's moreso a personal taste thing and isn't as absolute as you're thinking it is. Anime and manga has a lot more of the dainty guys than western media has. Most of the guys that are considered "hot" in the media here tend to be on the more buff and muscular side. Not all of us like that. I sure as hell aren't attracted to all the muscles. One of the major reasons why I don't particuarly like the art style used for western comics is because it seems like that guy that does anything interesting in them is either very well built or fat. I know one of the things that I like about anime and manga is the fact that there's lots of guys that aren't muscular. A guy doesn't have to be ripped to save the world in anime and manga. He can be snuggly, adorable, pretty, or average. The action heroes don't have to look like they're married to the gym. Besides, if your power is to shoot _____ power at enemies out of your ____, then the muscles are kind of frivilous....
Personally I just tend to find the snugglier, cutesier guys more attractive than the big buff ones, but then again I'm fairly masculine myself so maybe that plays into why I prefer non-masculine guys. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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I guess there's also the chance that muscle bound men in anime are kind of nutty (see: Armstrong from Fullmetal Alchemist or Bo-bobo from Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo).

meryl

01-01-2006, 09:19 PM

vtr9kvictor

01-01-2006, 10:08 PM

Guys who dress as female characters. Puzzling, creepy, and goofy.

vtr9kvictor

01-01-2006, 10:12 PM

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Mimi Masuko said:
1. Those who decide a series is automatically crap just because it has fanservice. Even if the fanservice is at worst wearing one piece swimsuits. Cover the eyes!

2. Those who decide to no longer like a series just because it's gone mainstream or whatever. Ie more than five people are able to watch it. I'd kill if some series got this chance. Then maybe they'd be translated before I die.

3. Those with vendettas. Either against a specific company or a specific anime. Or heck even a specific person. Be it a real person or a fictional character. Occasional debate is one thing, but a vendetaa is another.

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WOW! that's AMAZING! Its like you know one of my best friends personally! I mean, you just described him word for word. Case in point: the guy actually believes ANY anime where A GIRL is the main character is automatically a harem/fan service anime. That (and I am quoting here) "she's gonna be doing stupid stuff like tripping over things, and fall in love with some guuy who is indifferent to her, and she'll constantly be flashing panties or wearing swimsuits". The guy refused to watch Read or Die with this 'logic'. In fact it was only about 5 weeks ago that he finally admitted he had actually watched the show (which I had loaned him) because people other than me had been talking about it online and said it was good.

He is one of those people some others of you were posting on about here, he seems to take no pleasure in anime at all, and searches for things in various shows to complain about, yet still calls himself a fan. It is kind of annoying, but he was the guy who introduced me to anime in the first place.

vtr9kvictor

01-01-2006, 10:14 PM

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2. Why there's no Godzilla Anime (That'd be fun /images/graemlins/tongue.gif)
(If there is pardon my ingorance)

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Yes, the world needs a Godzilla anime NOW!!!

vtr9kvictor

01-01-2006, 11:13 PM

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Just thinking of the idea of someone suing NERV or something like that for smashing their car makes me chuckle. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Watch Dai Guard. That ACTUALLY happens.

vtr9kvictor

01-01-2006, 11:34 PM

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Mimi Masuko said:
You want a good recent example of people not paying attention to what they watch? SHUFFLE! itself. Yeah that's right. Seriously I can't believe they are people that feel the whole Asa and Rin relationship came out of nowhere. Did people completely ignore the progress of the story or the constant hints that kept coming up?

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Thats why I found myself liking Shuffle!(didn't think I would). I liked Asa's playful/athletic attitude. Kinda like when in one of the early episodes where Rin is running from the other girls' fan club members and he ducks under a table that Asa is at. She casually moves him so he is under her skirt, face to face with a panty shot. He ducks out after they leave and she says something like "Did you look under my skirt?", then when Rin denies it blushing, she says "Aww to bad". 

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Yeah, that was awesome. I was really surprised with Shuffle! I definately like that the story has ACTUAL PROGRESSION. Unlike Tenchi, Ranma, et al, the story is going somewhere and not simply repeating more of the same in every episode.

01-01-2006, 11:41 PM

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Daniel Perales said:
It's sort of like the "flavor of the month" thing. Right now, It's 4Kids. Sometimes they go as far as wishing for those companies to go out of business. I think people bash some of these companies because it's the cool thing to say at the time.

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I agree completely that R1 bashing is out of hand, but come on, 4Kids is an utter joke and deserves everything we can throw at them. They're a really bad example for what you're trying to convey.

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The reason why I used 4Kids as an example is that at least the anime that they have are being shown on broadcast (I'm not counting cable) tv.

This may sound like I'm defending 4Kids and their way of doing things, but let get this thing strait: Do any other companies like VIZ, ADV, Mediablasters, CPM, AnimEigo has any of their anime being shown on broadcast tv? Remember, not everybody has cable tv.

Also, all those other anime companies had a fair shot to pick up those shows that 4Kids have but didn't. Why? Maybe because the license was way too expensive and these other companies think that video sales alone will not make it worth their while to do it.

Let's face it: Do you think that there will be an obscene number of fans who will go out and buy uncut subbed and dubbed volumes of "Tokyo Mew Mew", "Do Re Mi", "Kirby", to name a few?

What happened to "Shaman King"? The first 2 uncut DVD volumes sales were so bad that the rest of the volumes are put on hold indefinately. I think the same thing happened to Yu-Gi-Oh as well.

So, since 4Kids can't depend on fan support when it comes to selling uncut videos, they have to rely on puting their shows on tv, which means that they have to adapt (meaning hack, slash and patch to all animation fans) the shows that they paid so much for, in order to be shown on american tv (they do a bit too much, but in their view, it's better to be safe than sorry, at least that's what I think).

Puting a show on tv is already a guaranteed income for a show compared to taking a risk and try and sell it directly to home video, alone.

Anyway, instead of bashing 4Kids for butchering your favorite anime series, why don't anime fans instead direct their support for the other anime companies that put out simular type of anime shows that they will also like?

Danny

vtr9kvictor

01-02-2006, 12:02 AM

[quote}[i]Daniel

Anyway, instead of bashing 4Kids for butchering your favorite anime series, why don't anime fans instead direct their support for the other anime companies that put out simular type of anime shows that they will also like?

Danny

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Because 'bashing' is more fun.
Plus, look at some older shows that were broadcast: Robotech (while HEAVILY edited) did not suck. Star Blazers ALSO HEAVILY edited did not suck. Dragon Ball Z (one of the most reviled dubs in history) did not suck. However, One Piece is just not very good, especially if you have seen any of the original version. I mean, what was up with replacing the guns with squeeky hammers? That was like the travesty inflicted upon E.T. (where all the guns in the movie were digitally removed and replaced with walkie talkies), it changed the TONE of the scene, and made the drama FAR less impacting. Even in the previous three series I mentioned the heavy editing did not change the tone of any of the events that happened, yes they 'said' he "went to another dimension" but you knew he was dead. And yes, the Gamilon 'robot tanks' never showed a pilot, but you saw cockpits and the occasional hand, and you knew someone was in them when they blew up. To say nothing of those massive star ships... Robotech's edits were just to mesh the three series into one storyline and did not alter much else - in fact the show had one of the most violent half hours in the history of broadcast tv, "Force of Arms" and the scene of the two-year old girl and the soldier being vaporized by a reflex cannon blast is one of the most horrific and memorable things I have ever seen. 4Kids made some bad choices, and they continue to make more. I say they deserve what they get.

something

01-02-2006, 01:01 AM

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Daniel Perales said:
Anyway, instead of bashing 4Kids for butchering your favorite anime series, why don't anime fans instead direct their support for the other anime companies that put out simular type of anime shows that they will also like?

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False dichotomy, the idea that fans can only do one or the other is simply wrong, and you're distorting the argument.

As for their oh so generous moves to put it on TV -- I almost never say this, in fact I can't think of any other situations off the top of my head that I would say it to, but a series licensed by 4Kids is better off never being licensed at all. That simple. I really don't care about what airs on TV, even if it's cut, but I DO care about DVDs. The failed uncut released of a few 4Kids properties don't seem to prove anything to me.

PhilipReuben

01-02-2006, 01:36 AM

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Daniel Perales said:
What happened to "Shaman King"? The first 2 uncut DVD volumes sales were so bad that the rest of the volumes are put on hold indefinately. I think the same thing happened to Yu-Gi-Oh as well.

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The apparent poor sales of Shaman King are still a mystery to me. This is a show that had been at least reasonably popular on network TV, and had never been released on DVD before. How did the uncut DVDs end up selling badly, unless it was because of poor marketing on 4Kids' part?

something

01-02-2006, 02:01 AM

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Philip Reuben said:
How did the uncut DVDs end up selling badly, unless it was because of poor marketing on 4Kids' part?

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Basically. I heard almost nothing about them, and to be pulled after two volumes (and weren't they only three episodes each or whatever?) shows very little committment on 4Kids' part (since I've always heard that they called the shots, not Funi).

vtr9kvictor

01-02-2006, 03:22 AM

I have a question; and maybe this will forever reveal my ineptitude, but disarm, what does the "9/8 Nevar Forget even casually" in your sig mean?

something

01-02-2006, 05:22 AM

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vtr9kvictor said:
I have a question; and maybe this will forever reveal my ineptitude, but disarm, what does the "9/8 Nevar Forget even casually" in your sig mean?

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9/8 was when Chris opened the temporary "Say What You Mean" subforum, and much drama ensued.

Njr Scrawl

01-02-2006, 05:27 AM

I think the fear of a series being co-produced is held (mainly) by those who want anime to stay as Japanese audience oriented as possible. Meaning anything that is normal for a Japanese-only release should be left alone - whether it may be suitable for "foreign" markets or not.

leongsh

01-02-2006, 06:37 AM

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disarm said:
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vtr9kvictor said:
I have a question; and maybe this will forever reveal my ineptitude, but disarm, what does the "9/8 Nevar Forget even casually" in your sig mean?

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9/8 was when Chris opened the temporary "Say What You Mean" subforum, and much drama ensued.

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Actually, there wasn't much drama. There were a number who tried to be drama queens but the whole subforum devolved into a who likes who and who dislikes who discussion. There were some interesting points but these were few and far between.

something

01-02-2006, 07:00 AM

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leongsh said:
Actually, there wasn't much drama. There were a number who tried to be drama queens but the whole subforum devolved into a who likes who and who dislikes who discussion.

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That's what I meant by drama. Maybe melodrama is a better word. Either way, it was a mix of hilarious and sad, but it's kinda off-topic for this thread.

Fencedude

01-02-2006, 08:15 AM

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disarm said:
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leongsh said:
Actually, there wasn't much drama. There were a number who tried to be drama queens but the whole subforum devolved into a who likes who and who dislikes who discussion.

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That's what I meant by drama. Maybe melodrama is a better word. Either way, it was a mix of hilarious and sad, but it's kinda off-topic for this thread.

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The word you are looking for is "wank".

Legion

01-02-2006, 10:23 AM

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Philip Reuben said:
How did the uncut DVDs end up selling badly, unless it was because of poor marketing on 4Kids' part?

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Basically. I heard almost nothing about them, and to be pulled after two volumes (and weren't they only three episodes each or whatever?) shows very little committment on 4Kids' part (since I've always heard that they called the shots, not Funi).

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They had bad availability and just weren't good releases: bits of missing footage, a shitty re-dub, dubtitles, all the things that the target audience for those releases doesn't like. Saying 4Kids can't depend on fan support is bogus because fans can't depend on a proper uncut release from them. I still insist that 4Kids should create another label, 4Fans, and hire people to make a solid uncut release.

Oh yeah, above all, Al Kahn himself said the uncut releases sold "reasonably well" so that blows a big hole in the "these releases sold poorly" theory.

EDIT: Just to be clear, most of this reply is for Daniel.

Legion

01-02-2006, 10:33 AM

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Wrath of the Njr said:
I think the fear of a series being co-produced is held (mainly) by those who want anime to stay as Japanese audience oriented as possible. Meaning anything that is normal for a Japanese-only release should be left alone - whether it may be suitable for "foreign" markets or not.

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Seeing as how most, if not all, the co-produced/funded anime is still made specifically with Japanese audiences in mind, the arguement doesn't hold much water.

perigee

01-02-2006, 10:45 AM

Constant reference to the manga for an anime series as being better or more complete. I realize that a lot of people enjoy both media, but for those of us who are anime-only viewers, it's a bit annoying and unhelpful. I'm not opposing those who do collect manga, it just seems like there's underlying bias that you should be buying both.

Suwako Moriya

01-02-2006, 10:59 AM

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perigee said:Constant reference to the manga for an anime series as being better or more complete.

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Thank you. It's one thing to recommend the manga, but some people just need to know when to let it go. I mean there is nothing like discussing the anime and suddenly people jump in about how the anime is the "evil" and the manga is superior in ever way. Even worse at certain places some like to spoil the manga in anime threads which can sometimes spoil both.....

In general "medium" fanboys are really annoying. They completely convince themselves that their favorite medium is automatically the best and story in any other medium automatically sucks. This sadly includes some anime fans. I admit, I will never watch some stuff, but I'm not going to say they are crap. Just stuff that does not interest me

Legion

01-02-2006, 11:02 AM

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perigee said:
Constant reference to the manga for an anime series as being better or more complete. I realize that a lot of people enjoy both media, but for those of us who are anime-only viewers, it's a bit annoying and unhelpful. I'm not opposing those who do collect manga, it just seems like there's underlying bias that you should be buying both.

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Hmm... I guess maybe it's because I don't read manga forums that much, but I don't see much evidence of this. Sure I see specific things like "the Sorcerer Hunters manga is way better than the anime" or "you'll need to buy the manga if you want to see what happens after the Kare Kano anime ends" or "if you liked the Bastard OAV you'll love the manga" but nothing as all encompassing as you mention.

cairber

01-02-2006, 11:04 AM

I am really a "whatever floats your boat" kind of person. I could poke fun at a lot, but then I realize that, even if it was only once, I have blind bought, compared anime to manga, hated an anime for the ending, got mad about a box/inserts, and a bunch of other stuff....and I've also thoguht it was annoying when I saw other people doing it /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Id say the only thing that REALLY bothers me is forcing your ideas on others or using huge generalizations. Luckily, I haven't really seen that many that do this around here and live very long afterwards.

Suwako Moriya

01-02-2006, 11:23 AM

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Shsway said:Or perhaps you just want to support everything that you've ever liked in passing. That's natural too.

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That's probably what it is. Although in the end no matter how many series I plan to start, I ultimately have to slow down and complete what's already been started. At least some series are easier to complete than others. In any case I need to decide what series to give ultimate priority. Okay besides Bottle Fairy will be finished pretty soon. Just waiting for V2 to be released for the most part.

In any case my other strange habit works like this. Step 1, I watch a series by the evil format or whatever. Step 2, I end up loving the series. Step 3, I'm completely convinced the series has no chance of being licensed. However collecting R2 is expensive and there is always a chance I could be wrong (again) and the series will get licensed. Step 4, I decide that getting some music CDs for the series is an indirect way to support the anime. Especially if I get character vocal CDs. Step 5, I utimately get the CDs or I decide not to. Final Step, the series remains unlicensed or it eventually gets licensed and I prepare to collect the DVDs.

I did this for Angel Tales, Asagiri no Miko, Pitaten, To Heart and etc. I was going to do it for Bottle Fairy, but not only did it get licensed before I got a CD. The said CD got licensed. Of course Pitaten still remains unlicensed. /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif It's been a long time since I decided to use this insane strategy of me, but I'm considering doing it again by getting the character image Album for Happy 7. Perhaps maybe the OST as well.

Lego

01-02-2006, 11:24 AM

To add to the subject..

I never got the appeal of most fanservice/harem shows. Now I love Tenchi, Love Hina(parts of it), and even something like AYA. But lately it seems that the only thing being released(Japanese TV) wise is dating sim/harem titles. I know everyone likes different genres. I'm not downing someone because they like harem/fanservice/dating game shows.

Everyone likes something different and can watch what the hell they want(who am I to say otherwise?). But at times it "strikes" me that the only reason that some people watch a certain show, or the only reason a show is popular is because there is a nicely animated female character prancing around half naked 90% of the time.

Suwako Moriya

01-02-2006, 11:30 AM

The only reason people watch harem anime is because of cute girls.

The only reason people watch mecha anime is because of giant robots.

The only reason people watch sports anime is because of competition.

The only reason people watching fighting anime is to see people beat each other up.

The only reason people watch sad drama pieces is to see people suffer.

The only reason people watch an anime about cooking is to see people cook food.

The only reason people watch comedy anime is because they want something that's funny.

The only reason people watch magical girl anime is to watch magical girls transform.

Now does anybody see where I'm going with this? Or heck what I'm actually trying to say? Maybe I'll leave it as a mystery before revealing the truth.

Lego

01-02-2006, 11:36 AM

Pretty much Mimi.

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I could see a person watching something like Yakitate!! Japan and then going out and cooking something. Although a cooking show with a anime character in it wouldn't be a bad idea for a TV show. We could have Naru from Love Hina make her "Naru Punch". A sweet drink, goes down smooth, but gets ya with a sour taste at the end /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif.

Suwako Moriya

01-02-2006, 12:11 PM

Well a lot of it was written on the fly. In any case as many may have guessed. My main point is every anime uses a hook or the fact it falls under a certain genre to get people to watch it. So you can boil down every series to being only watched because of _______.

Still however at least in my case the "hook" can only go so far. Hence why for example I won't buy a single DVD of Maburaho. However if Mahoraba Heartful Days got licensed, I'd plan when to collect the series on R1. Of course when depends on when the series got released, what else was licensed and what else was being released at the same time. Among dozens of other factors....

leongsh

01-02-2006, 01:11 PM

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Mimi Masuko said:
<On why people watch certain genre of anime>

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Mostly true if you change the statements to "The main reason people watch <genre> anime..."

Except for:

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Mimi Masuko said:
The only reason people watch sad drama pieces is to see people suffer.

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I think people watch sad drama pieces not so much as to see people suffer but more for wanting to feel good about themselves after empathising with the characters in those shows.

Suwako Moriya

01-02-2006, 01:30 PM

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leongsh said:
I think people watch sad drama pieces not so much as to see people suffer but more for wanting to feel good about themselves after empathising with the characters in those shows.

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I guess that makes more sense, but in the end I wasn't worried about being accurate. I was mainly using my own insane method to prove a point. Hence why many were written on the fly.

01-02-2006, 01:42 PM

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vtr9kvictor said:

Anyway, instead of bashing 4Kids for butchering your favorite anime series, why don't anime fans instead direct their support for the other anime companies that put out simular type of anime shows that they will also like?

Danny

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Because 'bashing' is more fun.
Plus, look at some older shows that were broadcast: Robotech (while HEAVILY edited) did not suck. Star Blazers ALSO HEAVILY edited did not suck. Dragon Ball Z (one of the most reviled dubs in history) did not suck.

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That was another time, another generation. Things are a bit different now. And besides, what shows that "sucked" or didn't "sucked" is just a matter of personal opinion. Hey, I enjoyed those three shows when they were on tv, but I don't consider them among the greatest anime that were ever done.

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However, One Piece is just not very good, especially if you have seen any of the original version. I mean, what was up with replacing the guns with squeeky hammers?

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I don't like it, either, but you don't see me posting here that 4Kids should die because of it? I just move on and watch something else.

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That was like the travesty inflicted upon E.T. (where all the guns in the movie were digitally removed and replaced with walkie talkies), it changed the TONE of the scene, and made the drama FAR less impacting.

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True. But that isn't anime.

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Even in the previous three series I mentioned the heavy editing did not change the tone of any of the events that happened, yes they 'said' he "went to another dimension" but you knew he was dead. And yes, the Gamilon 'robot tanks' never showed a pilot, but you saw cockpits and the occasional hand, and you knew someone was in them when they blew up. To say nothing of those massive star ships...

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You must be fairly new to this anime hobby, because I remember how some of these early fans used to howl about them. And if you go back to the "Star Blasers" time, anime fans were just grateful that they can get their anime in any form.

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Robotech's edits were just to mesh the three series into one storyline and did not alter much else - in fact the show had one of the most violent half hours in the history of broadcast tv, "Force of Arms" and the scene of the two-year old girl and the soldier being vaporized by a reflex cannon blast is one of the most horrific and memorable things I have ever seen.

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I remember that the scene shocked me as well way back when I first watched it on tv in the mid 80's. I can go further back, I remember an episode of "Speed Racer" when they showed a race car driver fall into a river and was eaten alive by piranas, and that was in the late 60's.

Broadcast standards are constantly shifting once in every generation or so. They always seem lax for a while, but when there are too many programs that are out there "pushing the envelope", people will start complaining that televison programs are going too far, then the standard becomes very restrictive once again.

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4Kids made some bad choices, and they continue to make more. I say they deserve what they get.

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Let their shareholders handle it. Because the bottom line is, that's who they really have to cater to.

Danny

01-02-2006, 02:12 PM

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Legion said:
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disarm said:
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Philip Reuben said:
How did the uncut DVDs end up selling badly, unless it was because of poor marketing on 4Kids' part?

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Basically. I heard almost nothing about them, and to be pulled after two volumes (and weren't they only three episodes each or whatever?) shows very little committment on 4Kids' part (since I've always heard that they called the shots, not Funi).

[/ QUOTE ]

They had bad availability and just weren't good releases: bits of missing footage, a shitty re-dub, dubtitles, all the things that the target audience for those releases doesn't like. Saying 4Kids can't depend on fan support is bogus because fans can't depend on a proper uncut release from them. I still insist that 4Kids should create another label, 4Fans, and hire people to make a solid uncut release.

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Why spend time and resources for a lable just to cater a few thousand fans compared to the possibility to cater a few millions through broadcast tv?

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Oh yeah, above all, Al Kahn himself said the uncut releases sold "reasonably well" so that blows a big hole in the "these releases sold poorly" theory.

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So, do you have any other reason why these releases were put on hold if they were doing so well? I think the stockholders didn't like the nunbers they saw. Remember, this is all in speculation.

Danny

01-02-2006, 02:23 PM

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Wrath of the Njr said:
I think the fear of a series being co-produced is held (mainly) by those who want anime to stay as Japanese audience oriented as possible. Meaning anything that is normal for a Japanese-only release should be left alone - whether it may be suitable for "foreign" markets or not.

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Which I wonder sometimes. Personally, I watch anime because it entertains me. I do not watch anime as part of a Social Studies course.

Danny

something

01-02-2006, 02:36 PM

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Daniel Perales said:
Remember, this is all in speculation.

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Certainly is. The only unambiguous reality is that 4Kids puts out shitty releases and has stated publicly multiple times that they strive to remove anything "Japanese" from the original, and they essentially don't release uncut DVDs, while just about every other company does just about every time.

THOSE are the only relevant points. 4Kids deserves no sympathy or respect, whatsoever. I'm certainly not calling for a lynch mob to murder them all and violate their families, but I'm with others in thinking that if 4Kids quietly went out of a business, I would be quite happy. If you think that's unreasonable, so be it, I can live with that.

meganly_chan

01-02-2006, 02:44 PM

YAOI. I mean, I guess I can see the appeal, but I'm baffled as to why it's as popular as it is. Well, maybe not BAFFLED, but you get what I mean.

Evangelion. I've seen a few episodes of this show, but why it's considered so GREAT, I'll never get. Same with Akira.

Nitpicking over the SMALLEST and SILLIEST things. Oh no, there's a typo on the back of the case, I'm not buying! Or, they didn't provide the textless opening and endings! EVIL!

Suwako Moriya

01-02-2006, 02:47 PM

You know when it comes to defending 4Kids, bashing 4Kids, and not caring either way. I wonder how much difference one factor makes. That is whether or not 4Kids has licensed a series one likes. Just something to think about.

I mean seriously I'd be extremely pissed off 4Kids got their hands on certain series. Hence I can feel for those that have their desired series become victims. The only thing sadder than waiting for a series to be licensed is for it to be licensed by a company that doesn't at least PRETEND to actually CARE.

However at the same it may be true that several of these series that succeed because of 4Kids would fail if they tried to release the traditional way. This creates the classic rock and hard place scenario.

Legion

01-02-2006, 03:48 PM

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Legion said:
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disarm said:
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Philip Reuben said:
How did the uncut DVDs end up selling badly, unless it was because of poor marketing on 4Kids' part?

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Basically. I heard almost nothing about them, and to be pulled after two volumes (and weren't they only three episodes each or whatever?) shows very little committment on 4Kids' part (since I've always heard that they called the shots, not Funi).

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They had bad availability and just weren't good releases: bits of missing footage, a shitty re-dub, dubtitles, all the things that the target audience for those releases doesn't like. Saying 4Kids can't depend on fan support is bogus because fans can't depend on a proper uncut release from them. I still insist that 4Kids should create another label, 4Fans, and hire people to make a solid uncut release.

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Why spend time and resources for a lable just to cater a few thousand fans compared to the possibility to cater a few millions through broadcast tv?

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More money. There's no reason, in my mind, why both can't be done. Uncut anime *does* sell, ya know.

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Oh yeah, above all, Al Kahn himself said the uncut releases sold "reasonably well" so that blows a big hole in the "these releases sold poorly" theory.

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So, do you have any other reason why these releases were put on hold if they were doing so well? I think the stockholders didn't like the nunbers they saw. Remember, this is all in speculation.

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I didn't say they did really well, I just quoted the CEO who said the sales didn't suck. Personally I think they were put on hold because 4Kids was never that dedicated to the releases from the get-go. I dunno if you actually have any of the discs, but if you do, it's pretty obvious.

AbeChinchilla

01-02-2006, 03:53 PM

yhalothar

01-02-2006, 04:34 PM

Lego

01-02-2006, 04:50 PM

Interesting post. Well I see it in two ways, like you mentioned. This might bring out the elitist in me, but oh well. When you have shows like a One Piece that someone like 4Kids licenses and "butchers", some people will still like that version. While it's another argument if 4Kids licensed it with the intent of "making changes" to make it appeal to a bigger audience. Im glad that ADV didn't get some "band of the moment" to make up a theme song to Azumanga. Or Bandai finding some rock band to record a theme song to Gundam Seed.

When I watch anime, I like to take it in, then discuss and think about it. Shows that have under tons like a Kino, Evangelion, PlanetES and so on. I like to watch a show, and discuss what is going on in it with others. I get passionate about certain characters or shows. Mainly when I really get into a show.

I get the vibe that some of the "newer" anime fans that watch things like Naruto on Toonami, Inu Yasha and FMA on Adult Swim, and even Samurai Champloo don't really "look for a deeper" meaning to the show itself. To some people anime is a form of cartoons that they can watch, be entertained, and not think twice about.

While there is nothing wrong with that(we all have our watching habits), it goes in line with your comment by Mr. Okada. I would say that the culture has changed since 03. I can go in a restaurant like a Dennys or a TGIFriday's and see people wearing Inu Yasha, Naruto, FMA, shirts and sweaters. A few years ago you would be hard pressed to find anyone who even knew about anime.

I think it's like anything. I often compare anime to video games in terms of fandom here in the US. You have the "casual" gamer who will pick up something like Nintendogs, Super Mario, Sonic, or something that is easy to pick up and doesn't require to much investment. Then you have the "hardcore" gamer that knows the gaming studios, the people who make the game, when certain games are out, and will go for the more "challenging" games ala a 90 hours RPG.

I think it'll be interesting to watch as anime goes more and more mainstream. While anime has become more visible in the fact that it's on Saturday morning TV, and gets nice ratings on CN, we're still somewhat "underground". I'm fine with anime on TV and etc. To take what someone said in this thread about 4kids into a new context: As long as companies don't license a show and "strip it" of everything Japanese in order to market it(more DVD sales etc), or to cash in on the "anime craze".

Shsway

01-02-2006, 04:58 PM

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The only reason people watch sad drama pieces is to see people suffer.

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I think people watch sad drama pieces not so much as to see people suffer but more for wanting to feel good about themselves after empathising with the characters in those shows.

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That might be part of it, I suppose, but I usually find myself wanting to watch something sad because I want to feel moody or sad, at least for awhile. Also drama (sad or not) often let's the ol' brain get a workout. Well-written drama will have subtle details to delight and intrigue the viewer, make a person think as opposed to just goggling. Usually.

It's nice to be able to get a little of one's preferred eye candy elements mixed in there too.

Lego

01-02-2006, 05:11 PM

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That might be part of it, I suppose, but I usually find myself wanting to watch something sad because I want to feel moody or sad, at least for awhile. Also drama (sad or not) often let's the ol' brain get a workout. Well-written drama will have subtle details to delight and intrigue the viewer, make a person think as opposed to just goggling. Usually.

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I agree with ya Shsway. It's the same reason why people watch mecha shows, or watch harem shows. Both contain a story device or a element that satisfies or pleases fans of that genre. Mecha has giant robots battling it out, and harem shows usually have nice looking women that are half naked most of the time.

I like dramas such as Honey and Clover, PlanetES, and others. They let you go through all the emotions from happiness to sadness and so on. Often times you get to see characters through relationships and other things. I like drama shows mainly for the fact that usually there are no giant robots, no weird plot devices ala FMP, it's just about people.

I disagree that everyone watches drama to see people suffer though. Often times, especially in a show like Suzuka or Honey and Clover, you feel "rewarded" as the viewer when something happens between characters you like.

something

01-02-2006, 05:54 PM

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You know when it comes to defending 4Kids, bashing 4Kids, and not caring either way. I wonder how much difference one factor makes. That is whether or not 4Kids has licensed a series one likes. Just something to think about.

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Heh, funny thing is, 4Kids has NOT licensed any series I'm interested in. I don't even want to contemplate if they did. There's nothing like knowing a series you like is 100% eternally screwed from ever getting a respectable DVD release in English. Remaining unlicensed is indeed far better. And as I said before, I almost NEVER say that about a show.

Funi can't license the one OP? Better to release as is than not! ADV can't/won't/*whatever* get EL OVA? Better to release as is than not! Can only get one language track for whatever reason? Better to release as is than not! Only broadcast version is available even though theres a better DVD release in Japan? Better to release as is than not! Any number of other reasons that some people here will boycott? Better to release as is than not!

But, license by 4Kids? Forget it, leave the show unlicensed.

something

01-02-2006, 05:57 PM

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yhalothar said:
In 2003, Toshio Okada (of Gainax) said (http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/rei/manga-okadaluncheon.html) that in Japan, there are two kinds of fans: People who simply consume anime and don't care much about it, and otaku who are passionate and who strive for a deeper understanding of what they watch.

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He oversimplifies. You can really be into anime and enjoy it immensely without "worrying about cultural conventions" and getting really hardcore. His dichotomy has little merit.

01-02-2006, 06:15 PM

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More money. There's no reason, in my mind, why both can't be done. Uncut anime *does* sell, ya know.

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Of course, I know that. Funi proved it with DBZ. But it all comes down to the show, itself. "Shaman King" and "Yu-Gi-Oh!" were probably been pulling in some great ratings on tv, but that doesn't mean that it will sell well on home video. Remember, these shows has bearly made a blip when there were fansubs out there.

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Oh yeah, above all, Al Kahn himself said the uncut releases sold "reasonably well" so that blows a big hole in the "these releases sold poorly" theory.

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So, do you have any other reason why these releases were put on hold if they were doing so well? I think the stockholders didn't like the nunbers they saw. Remember, this is all in speculation.

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I didn't say they did really well, I just quoted the CEO who said the sales didn't suck. Personally I think they were put on hold because 4Kids was never that dedicated to the releases from the get-go.

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Well, that's was no big secret. They just decided to put their 2 best rated shows out there to see if it will sell. Maybe it did, somewhat, but not in the numbers that they were looking for.

Now if 4Kids has put out an uncut, unaltered sub/dub version of "One Piece" which has a huge fan following that kind of rivals DBZ, instead of the other 2 shows, things would probably be different.

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I dunno if you actually have any of the discs, but if you do, it's pretty obvious.

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I don't, but honestly, the only show that I would be interested in collecting in an uncut, unaltered sub/dub form that they have would have been "Tokyo Mew Mew". I might go for "Do-Re-Mi", too.

Danny

kusanagi-sama

01-02-2006, 06:30 PM

01-02-2006, 06:54 PM

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disarm said:
4Kids deserves no sympathy or respect, whatsoever. I'm certainly not calling for a lynch mob to murder them all and violate their families, but I'm with others in thinking that if 4Kids quietly went out of a business, I would be quite happy. If you think that's unreasonable, so be it, I can live with that.

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Well, the original point that I was trying to make was that if one company boches an anime that I like, I can moan and gripe about it, but I never ever wished for these companies to die like some of the anime fans here and on other forums.

For example: It's very well known here that I was pretty damn upset when TOKYOPOP decided to drop the dub of "Saint Tail" a while back. But did I ever wish them to die? No. But if I have and it came true, I've wouldn't have the complete "Marmalade Boy" tv series sitting on my shelf right now (which I openly thanked them for completing it here on the old Studio Feedback forum), and I wouldn't be enjoying my collection of the "Ai Yori Aoshi" manga to read.

The same thing with CPM when they decided to drop the dub on the "Patlabor" series when they were just so close to finish it. I decided to take what I got and skip the rest, and just move on.

I noticed that you have an avatar of Mitsuki of "Full Moon Wo Sagashite", which BTW, happens to be my all time favorite anime series right now. If 4Kids or any other companies picks it up and boches it up, I'll be royally pissed all right, but then, I know that I'll survive and just move on to enjoy other anime shows.

Danny

something

01-02-2006, 07:07 PM

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Daniel Perales said:
For example: It's very well known here that I was pretty damn upset when TOKYOPOP decided to drop the dub of "Saint Tail" a while back. But did I ever wish them to die? No.

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The difference is, the vast majority of TP releases (well, they havent done much anime, so more in terms of manga) are uncut. Bad releases are an exception rather than a norm.

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The same thing with CPM when they decided to drop the dub on the "Patlabor" series when they were just so close to finish it. I decided to take what I got and skip the rest, and just move on.

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Ditto here. CPM usually does good releases. Even if some don't like their quality, they can at least agree it's far from a 4Kids hackjob. Thus, major issues are the exception, not the rule.

The reason 4Kids is quite different is because they are, through and through, dedicated to these hack releases as the very core of their business model. We can't point to a hacked up 4Kids release and say "well, thats just one unfortunate case" because its *always* the case. I think that's what makes 4Kids so different from the other companies for me.

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I noticed that you have an avatar of Mitsuki of "Full Moon Wo Sagashite", which BTW, happens to be my all time favorite anime series right now. If 4Kids or any other companies picks it up and boches it up, I'll be royally pissed all right, but then, I know that I'll survive and just move on to enjoy other anime shows.

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Well, my gf would be buying it as we both love it but she loves it more, but obviously neither of us would buy a 4Kids release. You're right, we WOULD live, we WOULD move on, if only because we have no choice unless we just go hang ourselves (which might be considered a tad... extreme). But it would be a far better thing for 4Kids to just go out of business or never license it in the first place. We love the show and thus WANT to support an acceptable R1 release. Not being given the chance to do that would be quite disappointing.

PsychoRabbitt

01-02-2006, 07:11 PM

Why people post "what did you buy this month" polls on the first day of the month.

Actually, I think it's just an excuse for those taking part to pad their post count as they make a new post for every disk that comes in.

But that makes no sense, since they don't track post counts anymore... /images/graemlins/relief1.gif

PsychoRabbitt

01-02-2006, 07:12 PM

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*starts to say something*

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But keep it polite!

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Oh...you're no fun.

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When has that ever stopped you before? /images/graemlins/devil.gif

PsychoRabbitt

01-02-2006, 07:14 PM

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3. Those with vendettas. Either against a specific company or a specific anime. Or heck even a specific person. Be it a real person or a fictional character. Occasional debate is one thing, but a vendetaa is another.

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Did my ears just ring?

Njr Scrawl

01-02-2006, 07:25 PM

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People also watch them to see how characters change & are affected - whether they come through, go to pieces & what the end person is like.

Suwako Moriya

01-02-2006, 07:33 PM

*Looks at various posts in thread* Is just me or has almost everyone completely missed the point of the post I made and even missed the blatant sarcasm? Or maybe I need to train in the art of sarcasm. Now where did I put the +50 Club of Tragedy I stole from a certain anime?

Njr Scrawl

01-02-2006, 07:36 PM

Eva has stuff happening at different levels. It has a here-&-now story, but the characters past histories (usually tragic), states of mind which affect their motivations & actions are what give it heavier appeal.

Eva can be watched for enjoyment & also with deeper insight. I guess The X Files (& possibly Babylon 5) are the nearest in LA sci fi to compare it with.

fantasydewdrop

01-02-2006, 09:35 PM

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KasiTL said: A guy doesn't have to be ripped to save the world in anime and manga.

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It seems like in some anime if you look strong then in reality it means you're a wimp and you'll get your ass kicked by the hero. It's probably done to make the hero look impressive, but it also gives the impression that having muscles makes you a wimp. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Yeah, KaisTL, stop chasing after those skinny manly-men and give some poor musclebound wimp a chance! /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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But... but it'd be like cuddling with a sack of rocks! /images/graemlins/tongue.gif I wouldn't think that rocks are very cuddly....

fantasydewdrop

01-02-2006, 09:37 PM

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I'm surprised about some people's obsessions with nipples in anime. There are threads that actually discuss whether there are nipples in an anime or not. Is "nipplage" even a real word?

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Have there even been nipples in TV anime past 1995 or so? Out of the TV series I have, it seems like only the older ones actually have them. Out of the newer stuff I have, they're only present on OVAs and movies, not TV series. Now, I'm not complaining that they're gone, I just wonder why they went now that I've noticed. o.O Did the animators get more conservative or did they make a no-nipple law?

fantasydewdrop

01-02-2006, 09:38 PM

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Mimi Masuko said:
I've been under the impression that 90% of the time or more people seem to HATE how a series ends. It's like no ending is ever good enough. It's like people expect the final episode to preform some sort of miracle. It also doesn't help that some people are so dead set for or against a specific type of ending they wonder why they are often let down.

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I don't know.... I mean, I personally only dislike an ending if it feels sorely incomplete. If the last episode gives a feeling of finality, then I typically like it (though there are some of endings that don't feel final that I think are fine). I can't think of a "final" feeling last episode that I didn't care for.
But I'm just weird.

fantasydewdrop

01-02-2006, 09:39 PM

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I guess there's also the chance that muscle bound men in anime are kind of nutty (see: Armstrong from Fullmetal Alchemist or Bo-bobo from Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo).

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Haven't seen either of those series yet (no cable). Is Bo-bobo that guy that uses his nose hair as whips? That concept amuses me.

Suwako Moriya

01-02-2006, 09:42 PM

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KasiTL said:Is Bo-bobo that guy that uses his nose hair as whips? That concept amuses me.

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Yes he would be that same character. The show from what I saw of it is definitely a strange one. So it may interest people who like zany series.

Sandrylina

01-02-2006, 09:47 PM

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Mimi Masuko said:
*Looks at various posts in thread* Is just me or has almost everyone completely missed the point of the post I made and even missed the blatant sarcasm? Or maybe I need to train in the art of sarcasm. Now where did I put the +50 Club of Tragedy I stole from a certain anime?

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One of the common miscommunications of the Internet medium. /images/graemlins/relief1.gif I got it tho...I'm sure a number of people actually did...if they want to avoid that scary club of tragedy anyway. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

As for what mystifies/puzzles me? Not all that much...guess I'm pretty tolerant of most things. Something might strike me that I'll add later tho.

-Sandrylina-

Suwako Moriya

01-02-2006, 09:48 PM

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If the last episode gives a feeling of finality, then I typically like it (though there are some of endings that don't feel final that I think are fine).

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Yeah a feeling of conclusion can be good. What's also important for me is for the ending to make sense in the context of the series. Also to be honest there are some series that are designed in such a way they aren't really meant to be concluded. Just given a cut off point. Which could be why you may sometimes feel fine even if an ending is not final.

fantasydewdrop

01-02-2006, 09:54 PM

Yep. It's pretty much just the shows that stopped due to lack of budget/ratings/interest/they caught up to the manga and called it quits that have endings that bother me.

Dagger

01-02-2006, 10:01 PM

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KasiTL said:
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I'm surprised about some people's obsessions with nipples in anime. There are threads that actually discuss whether there are nipples in an anime or not. Is "nipplage" even a real word?

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Have there even been nipples in TV anime past 1995 or so?

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Heck yes. I for one couldn't name all of them, but I know there are quite a few out there... Girls Bravo, for instance.

Suwako Moriya

01-02-2006, 10:02 PM

Star Ocean EX comes to mind. A series I have severe mixed feelings on. Of course then again in some ways it may be a good thing there was no second season. Since the anime staff clearly HATES the cast of the game. As I like to say "USE PRESS! FOR THE LOVE OF WHATEVER! USE PRESS!" If that's confusing in the game Star Ocean the Second Story, Rena is a capable person who can fight decently for someone with no killer moves early on, has attack spells, healing spells and suppport spells. In the anime all she does is heal on occasion....

dunno001

01-02-2006, 10:58 PM

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KasiTL said: A guy doesn't have to be ripped to save the world in anime and manga.

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It seems like in some anime if you look strong then in reality it means you're a wimp and you'll get your ass kicked by the hero. It's probably done to make the hero look impressive, but it also gives the impression that having muscles makes you a wimp. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Yeah, KaisTL, stop chasing after those skinny manly-men and give some poor musclebound wimp a chance! /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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But... but it'd be like cuddling with a sack of rocks! /images/graemlins/tongue.gif I wouldn't think that rocks are very cuddly....

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*nods* I like guys to be soft and cuddly... rocks are annoying...

something

01-02-2006, 11:19 PM

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Have there even been nipples in TV anime past 1995 or so? Out of the TV series I have, it seems like only the older ones actually have them.

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There's definitely a number of recent shows with nudity. Popotan comes to mind, as does Shuffle and other shows airing.

guyver83

01-02-2006, 11:29 PM

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KasiTL said: A guy doesn't have to be ripped to save the world in anime and manga.

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It seems like in some anime if you look strong then in reality it means you're a wimp and you'll get your ass kicked by the hero. It's probably done to make the hero look impressive, but it also gives the impression that having muscles makes you a wimp. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Yeah, KaisTL, stop chasing after those skinny manly-men and give some poor musclebound wimp a chance! /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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But... but it'd be like cuddling with a sack of rocks! /images/graemlins/tongue.gif I wouldn't think that rocks are very cuddly....

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*nods* I like guys to be soft and cuddly... rocks are annoying...

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YIPPEE I'm annoying!!! /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Loafy

01-03-2006, 12:24 PM

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KasiTL said: A guy doesn't have to be ripped to save the world in anime and manga.

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It seems like in some anime if you look strong then in reality it means you're a wimp and you'll get your ass kicked by the hero. It's probably done to make the hero look impressive, but it also gives the impression that having muscles makes you a wimp. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Yeah, KaisTL, stop chasing after those skinny manly-men and give some poor musclebound wimp a chance! /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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But... but it'd be like cuddling with a sack of rocks! /images/graemlins/tongue.gif I wouldn't think that rocks are very cuddly....

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*nods* I like guys to be soft and cuddly... rocks are annoying...

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YIPPEE I'm annoying!!! /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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I'm willing to bet you're soft and cuddly even though you work out.