Witch Hunter Robin

[Animebox]

How's the series generally regarded 'round these parts? Should one get it? Thoughts?

[Captain Impulse]

A rather slow-moving, slow-developing series that starts to get interesting around episode 13, but some feel the ending was kinda weak. I enjoyed it quite a bit though. You might get some more "colorful" opinions about this one, though.

[sccleef]

First time (on fansub) I watched WHR I stopped at episode 6, didn't find it to my liking. When the complete collection was released I did buy it just to see if I would like it anyway. As mentioned it gets more interesting after episode 13.
It's not that the first half of WHR is bad but they could have made it more interesting. First episode have a "moster of the week" feel to it and I think most people didn't like that. So if that doesn't bother you too much go ahead and buy it.
Ending isn't too bad it does leave room for more WHR.

[monkeebiz]

I taped the whole series off CN and then watched it in one shot. I really really wanted to like it, but I kind of objected to one of the main characters disappearing halfway through the show <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>and spending the rest of the series waiting for him to show up and then nothing happened anyway </span>. Yes, the ending was weak. In fact, it was nonexistent. I've filed WHR under "waste of time".

[Legion]

Pretty good recommends thread on this show here.

http://forums.animeondvd.com/showflat.ph...ev=#Post1227490 (http://forums.animeondvd.com/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Board=recommend&amp;Number=1227490&amp;F orum=f18&amp;Words=Witch%20Hunter%20Robin&amp;Searchpage=0 &amp;Limit=25&amp;Main=1227490&amp;Search=true&amp;where=sub&amp;Name= &amp;daterange=1&amp;newerval=1&amp;newertype=m&amp;olderval=&amp;olde rtype=&amp;bodyprev=#Post1227490)

[JackProton]

I found WHR to be full of surprises. It appears to be a police-style action series but it actually turns out to be more of a suspense/intrigue/mystery series full of themes about fear and power and secrecy. While it deals with fantasy elements such as witches (or people with psychic powers if you prefer), the show maintains a more realistic tone staying well away from typical shonen fighting and action show conventions. There's an interesting assortment of characters and I really enjoyed the way in which we're presented with a fully formed world where witches are real but aren't made known to the general public. All in all, its a great series for those who like to try and read between the lines. Highly recommended.

[DrMM]

I like WHR. All of the things that people complain about I quite liked. The slow pace and 'witch of the day' feel at the beginning of the series makes the twists that happen in the middle more surprising and set the stage for the characters to grow/change and surprise us with their secrets. The ending, which some people find weak, fit the series quite well. It doesn't have a clear-cut ending and does leave you wondering but I liked that as well, since there's no way to end this series with a clear answer.

I don't think it's the kind of series everyone will like (and frankly, I was surprised I did like it, since the whole goth/supernatural element isn't usually my thing) but enough people do like it to give it a shot.

[Rhodes]

slow moving storyline with lots of atmosphere... has solid char developments for robin thou.

however the shows title is totally off... they arent freaking witches, they are mutants. story seems to ripped off story ideas from x-men. not a bad thing, but if you read alot of x-men then you can see where the story is going.

interesting spin on the story and i liked it. buy the complete collection if you can and dont mind slow moving stories.

[Dagger]

There's always a fine line between magic-users and mutants, not to mention between fantasy and science fiction. Personally, if the show says they're witches, I'd go with them being witches.

[Magic_Knight]

Witch Hunter Robin is a dark and highly enjoyable series. The tone of the show is serious and comedy is almost nowhere to be found. The show has a very professional feel to it and it looks like a high quality production. The characters are really well developed; their interactions and conversations give them a life-like feel.

The first several episodes of the series are episodic mystery cases where the group at STNJ investigate crimes where a witch might have been involved and then attempt to capture that witch. These episodes not only do an excellent job building great characters, but the cases that are investigated are very enjoyable. Once past this point the main story comes into play and some dramatic changes begin to take place.

The first arc sets up the fundamentals, and the second takes what you thought you knew and throws a lot of smart twists and turns at you. Witch Hunter Robin has religious references and it incorporates real historic events such as the Salem Witch Trials. For the most part the show's pacing is on the slow side, but I never found myself bored.

Most of the episodes have some action in them. This usually involves a witch fighting another witch. The action is handled well, with a few breathtaking scenes. The animation is excellent and the backgrounds, which are done with pre-rendered CG, do a great job creating a more realistic atmosphere. The animators created a world that looks very convincing. The background music fits the show really well.

Witch Hunter Robin is a show that grabbed my attention from the start and didn't let go until it ended. I highly recommend adding Witch Hunter Robin to your collection.

[Rhodes]

yes but if you saw the show you know <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'> its genetic... the database they keep is based on family tree... breeding. even the conclusion at the end with the mystery around robin and her folks tells its genetic </span>

[CrazyAsano]

Correlation does not equal causation. It seems to me you're just looking for similarities you can use to imply WHR is a ripoff of something it's not. How do the magic circles in WHR fit into your theory? Why can't magic ability be <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>genetic</span>? Unless every witch in the world had the potential for the exact same abilities and talents, it would have to be to at least some extent.

EDIT: <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>The theme of people with extraordinary powers being betrayed by normal people who fear them is common-ass. In a situation where there exists a group of people who have huge innate advantages over another, conflict is almost inevitable due to human nature. It's one of the few directions where that sort of thing can go. Do you think Elfen Lied is a ripoff of the X-Men too?</span>

[ScorpioEyez]

A waste of 13 hours of your life. Some people like it, I personally found it to be terribly boring with very few, if any real redeeming qualities.

If you like dark, dramatic anime that takes forever to build it's plot and then ends with a terrible ending that resolves almost nothing than you'll want to pick it up.

[CrazyAsano]

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ScorpioEyez said:
A waste of 13 hours of your life. Some people like it, I personally found it to be terribly boring with very few, if any real redeeming qualities.

If you like dark, dramatic anime that takes forever to build it's plot and then ends with a terrible ending that resolves almost nothing than you'll want to pick it up.

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All your arguments are negated by Robin sleeping titally naked.

[Judeau]

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ScorpioEyez said:
A waste of 13 hours of your life. Some people like it, I personally found it to be terribly boring with very few, if any real redeeming qualities.

If you like dark, dramatic anime that takes forever to build it's plot and then ends with a terrible ending that resolves almost nothing than you'll want to pick it up.

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Man, I've heard this from many different people. Which is why I haven't picked up this show yet.

Any chance we'll see a WHR Anime Legends release sometime before I expire? I'll definitely buy it if I can get or for around $40. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

[AbeChinchilla]

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CrazyAsano said:
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ScorpioEyez said:
A waste of 13 hours of your life. Some people like it, I personally found it to be terribly boring with very few, if any real redeeming qualities.

If you like dark, dramatic anime that takes forever to build it's plot and then ends with a terrible ending that resolves almost nothing than you'll want to pick it up.

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All your arguments are negated by Robin sleeping titally naked.

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That is so hot. /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif

[Innocent Bystander]

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Judeau said:
I'll definitely buy it if I can get or for around $40. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

[/ QUOTE ]As it happens I got my WHR set on eBay for $41.01. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

[DrMM]

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Rhodes said:
yes but if you saw the show you know <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'> its genetic... the database they keep is based on family tree... breeding. even the conclusion at the end with the mystery around robin and her folks tells its genetic </span>

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<span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>Yes, it's genetic. However, in X-Men the 'powers' are from a recent mutation. In WHR, the genetics involved have existed throughout history and it's not a recent development. The reason why they're called 'witches' is because their abilities is originally what created the concept of witches in the church. As for the other 'similarity' you mentioned, the concept of being ostracized and feared for being different isn't unique to X-Men. Even the concept of mutation in comics isn't unique to X-Men -- look at Spiderman. If WHR is ripped off a storyline from X-Men then X-Men must have ripped off one from Spiderman, since Spiderman was first.

Seriously, a few minor things in common does not a rip-off make.</span>

[Rhodes]

<span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>not saying the show wasnt a interesting ride... just that since i've been reading the xmen since the original phoenix/dark phoenix story till just after the issue 325?... i could see where everything was coming from before it appeared during my screening of this show. i did buy it as it was released and liked it enough to finish it. but cant say i found it very original, but then thats cause i've been a long time fan of the xmen. the twist of adding in the church to hunt em down was neat but they did so only cause of the "witch" angle and like i said i dont consider em witches.

and just cause the genes for their powers use to be dominant doesnt make em any less abnornal from the current mainstream population. and no spiderman isnt the same... he isnt a mutant... he wasnt born with his abilities, he got his due to an accident like the Fantasic Four/Hulk. Now were he to ever have kids with MJWP well they very well could be mutants</span>

that all said, i would still recomend this show to folks but only if they dont mind slow moving shows.

[Teiresias]

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AbeChinchilla said:
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CrazyAsano said:
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ScorpioEyez said:
A waste of 13 hours of your life. Some people like it, I personally found it to be terribly boring with very few, if any real redeeming qualities.

If you like dark, dramatic anime that takes forever to build it's plot and then ends with a terrible ending that resolves almost nothing than you'll want to pick it up.

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All your arguments are negated by Robin sleeping titally naked.

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That is so hot. /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif

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Yes...this is a really important point--because it speaks to the duality of Robin (i.e., she's as close to being a nun as you can get, but everytime you see her in bed, she's totally nude). It was definitely Robin that Nietzshe had in mind in "Beyond Good and Evil."
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[Chloe]

I am one of those people who liked it. A lot. I really enjoyed the monster of the week type episodes, since they were very well done; I wanted more of them, damnit. It does have it's flaws(what show doesn't?). It is very slow paced, for one. They leave a lot of things unresolved in the end, and they don't explain a fair number of things as they are going along either. All of which does not detract from the show's good qualities. Like interesting stories. With lots of plot twists. Some very nice animation, and a world that all fits together to fit the shows dark atmosphere. Absolutely kickass OP and ED songs, and good music throughout.

In short, the pluses outweighed the minuses for me. If you are not sure, perhaps rent first?

[pianocello]

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CrazyAsano said:
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ScorpioEyez said:
A waste of 13 hours of your life. Some people like it, I personally found it to be terribly boring with very few, if any real redeeming qualities.

If you like dark, dramatic anime that takes forever to build it's plot and then ends with a terrible ending that resolves almost nothing than you'll want to pick it up.

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All your arguments are negated by Robin sleeping titally naked.

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Not really. Considering you don't even get to really see any details.

[CrazyAsano]

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piano_cello_conducting said:
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CrazyAsano said:
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ScorpioEyez said:
A waste of 13 hours of your life. Some people like it, I personally found it to be terribly boring with very few, if any real redeeming qualities.

If you like dark, dramatic anime that takes forever to build it's plot and then ends with a terrible ending that resolves almost nothing than you'll want to pick it up.

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All your arguments are negated by Robin sleeping titally naked.

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Not really. Considering you don't even get to really see any details.

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Her hair is down and her back is bare. Furthermore, if they were showing her tits left and right it would've totally changed the character and most likely would've made her less desirable to me. It's a choice between a really sexy person or an object of short-lived wanking. There are plenty of shows with two-dimensional characters perfect to be objectified, so I'm happy with the way Robin was treated.

[Teiresias]

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Kingmole said:
Absolutely kickass OP and ED songs, and good music throughout.


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I absolutely agree with this--The WHR OST is one of my favorites.

[AbeChinchilla]

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piano_cello_conducting said:
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CrazyAsano said:
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ScorpioEyez said:
A waste of 13 hours of your life. Some people like it, I personally found it to be terribly boring with very few, if any real redeeming qualities.

If you like dark, dramatic anime that takes forever to build it's plot and then ends with a terrible ending that resolves almost nothing than you'll want to pick it up.

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All your arguments are negated by Robin sleeping titally naked.

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Not really. Considering you don't even get to really see any details.

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The backside and the fact alone that she sleeps nude is quite enough. /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif

[AbeChinchilla]

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Teiresias said:
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Kingmole said:
Absolutely kickass OP and ED songs, and good music throughout.


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I absolutely agree with this--The WHR OST is one of my favorites.

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"Flame"!
Made the WHR vol. 1 + Limited Edition soooooo worth it.
&lt;3 WHR OST (and plans to import the second one)

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AbeChinchilla said:
The backside and the fact alone that she sleeps nude is quite enough. /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif

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Not for me.
No nipples = no sale. /images/graemlins/devil.gif

[AbeChinchilla]

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Touma said:
Not for me.
No nipples = no sale. /images/graemlins/devil.gif

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Try Kaleido Star.

[CrazyAsano]

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AbeChinchilla said:
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Touma said:
Not for me.
No nipples = no sale. /images/graemlins/devil.gif

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Try Kaleido Star.

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There are nipples in Kaleido Star? Note to self: Put on hold the viewing of Kaleido Star with your mom.

<span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>Unless you're talking about Yuri. Ick.</span>

[AbeChinchilla]

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CrazyAsano said:
<span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>Unless you're talking about Yuri. Ick.</span>

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Got to that episode last night. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif
<span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>Okay, so Junichi Sato is okay with man nipples but there's a problem when it comes to females, namely Usagi Tsukino?</span>

[pianocello]

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Touma said:
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AbeChinchilla said:
The backside and the fact alone that she sleeps nude is quite enough. /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif

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Not for me.
No nipples = no sale. /images/graemlins/devil.gif

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Some nudity would have saved this show and I'm not alone in thinking that this is an awfully boring anime.

[CrazyAsano]

If nudity is what makes shows good, then Ikki Tousen must've been a fucking classic.

[Captain Impulse]

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CrazyAsano said:
If nudity is what makes shows good, then Ikki Tousen must've been a fucking classic.

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It WASN'T a classic!? /images/graemlins/wink.gif
The degree of its failure is classic. /images/graemlins/devil.gif

[darkhunter]

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Rhodes said:
slow moving storyline with lots of atmosphere... has solid char developments for robin thou.

however the shows title is totally off... they arent freaking witches, they are mutants. story seems to ripped off story ideas from x-men. not a bad thing, but if you read alot of x-men then you can see where the story is going.

interesting spin on the story and i liked it. buy the complete collection if you can and dont mind slow moving stories.

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Aside from X-men, the word "mutant" isn't associated with powers. When I think of mutant, I think of a freak of nature born of deformity. Witch is more appropiate.

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piano_cello_conducting said:
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Touma said:
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AbeChinchilla said:
The backside and the fact alone that she sleeps nude is quite enough. /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif

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Not for me.
No nipples = no sale. /images/graemlins/devil.gif

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Some nudity would have saved this show and I'm not alone in thinking that this is an awfully boring anime.

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Do you always think with your dick? /images/graemlins/knowital.gif

[Teiresias]

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CrazyAsano said:
If nudity is what makes shows good, then Ikki Tousen must've been a fucking classic.

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Personally, I happen to think Ikki is a classic in its genre. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Teiresias said:
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CrazyAsano said:
If nudity is what makes shows good, then Ikki Tousen must've been a fucking classic.

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Personally, I happen to think Ikki is a classic in its genre. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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So do I, but maybe I just think with my dick. /images/graemlins/devil.gif
Actually, I really do like Ikki. It is a fun show with a great dub, including the extras.

[CrazyAsano]

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Touma said:
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Teiresias said:
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CrazyAsano said:
If nudity is what makes shows good, then Ikki Tousen must've been a fucking classic.

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Personally, I happen to think Ikki is a classic in its genre. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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So do I, but maybe I just think with my dick. /images/graemlins/devil.gif
Actually, I really do like Ikki. It is a fun show with a great dub, including the extras.

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I really want to agree with you both... but I can't.

[Teiresias]

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CrazyAsano said:
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Touma said:
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Teiresias said:
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CrazyAsano said:
If nudity is what makes shows good, then Ikki Tousen must've been a fucking classic.

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Personally, I happen to think Ikki is a classic in its genre. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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So do I, but maybe I just think with my dick. /images/graemlins/devil.gif
Actually, I really do like Ikki. It is a fun show with a great dub, including the extras.

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I really want to agree with you both... but I can't.

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Good! More Ryofu and/or ("and" would be my preference) Ryomou for us... /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Teiresias said:
Good! More Ryofu and/or ("and" would be my preference) Ryomou for us... /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Yes!
And don't forget Goei, the ultimate MILF.
I really must watch Ikki Tousen again. I have been waiting until I finish the manga, but I'm not really sure why, now. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

[Legion]

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Rhodes said:
however the shows title is totally off... they arent freaking witches, they are mutants. story seems to ripped off story ideas from x-men. not a bad thing, but if you read alot of x-men then you can see where the story is going.

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In the case of WHR, "Witch" is a general term used to refer to anyone, male or female, with supernatural powers. This is explained in the extras on the first disc I believe.

[pianocello]

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Teiresias said:
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CrazyAsano said:
If nudity is what makes shows good, then Ikki Tousen must've been a fucking classic.

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Personally, I happen to think Ikki is a classic in its genre. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Personally I think Ikkitousen is a better show than Witch Hunter Robin. At least it is more honest than WHR and doesn't pretend to be something it isn't.

[CrazyAsano]

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piano_cello_conducting said:
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Teiresias said:
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CrazyAsano said:
If nudity is what makes shows good, then Ikki Tousen must've been a fucking classic.

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Personally, I happen to think Ikki is a classic in its genre. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Personally I think Ikkitousen is a better show than Witch Hunter Robin. At least it is more honest than WHR and doesn't pretend to be something it isn't.

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And Witch Hunter Robin was pretending to be what, exactly? So far your most damning comments about it are it was boring and lacked nudity.

[Teiresias]

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piano_cello_conducting said:
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Teiresias said:
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CrazyAsano said:
If nudity is what makes shows good, then Ikki Tousen must've been a fucking classic.

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Personally, I happen to think Ikki is a classic in its genre. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Personally I think Ikkitousen is a better show than Witch Hunter Robin. At least it is more honest than WHR and doesn't pretend to be something it isn't.

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Always impressed when you go out on a limb, piano. But I ain't walkin' out there with ya on this one...

[AmericanBeauty]

I may be late but I give this show a recommendation. I like its mature and dark atmosphere quite a bit and I like that it takes its time setting up its main story. I think it's worth a rental at least.

[Isuzu Inugami]

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Air Of Benevolence said:
I may be late but I give this show a recommendation. I like its mature and dark atmosphere quite a bit and I like that it takes its time setting up its main story. I think it's worth a rental at least.

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Ikkitousen??!

[AmericanBeauty]

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Air Of Benevolence said:
I may be late but I give this show a recommendation. I like its mature and dark atmosphere quite a bit and I like that it takes its time setting up its main story. I think it's worth a rental at least.

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Ikkitousen??!

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WHR. I wouldn't watch Icky T if you paid me.

[Isuzu Inugami]

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Air Of Benevolence said:

WHR. I wouldn't watch Icky T if you paid me.

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I tell you, it's a cutting indictment of cheaply made school uniforms!

[pianocello]

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CrazyAsano said:
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piano_cello_conducting said:
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Teiresias said:
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CrazyAsano said:
If nudity is what makes shows good, then Ikki Tousen must've been a fucking classic.

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Personally, I happen to think Ikki is a classic in its genre. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Personally I think Ikkitousen is a better show than Witch Hunter Robin. At least it is more honest than WHR and doesn't pretend to be something it isn't.

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And Witch Hunter Robin was pretending to be what, exactly? So far your most damning comments about it are it was boring and lacked nudity.

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Ikkitousen does not pretend to be anything other than a fanservice anime. And it succeeds very well in that.

WHR on the other hand, keeps giving the impression that we are going to get a well-developed supporting cast. It gives the impression that this show is going to lead into a dramatic and emotional 2nd half. It gives the impression we're going to get a conclusion that is full of plot twists that will give the audience a "Wow! I didn't see that coming".
The show fails on all counts. Supporters of the show argue that the "witch of the week" episodes in the first half are important for building up "character development" and to show clues and hints that will lead up to some grand revelation. Well guess what, one could cut many of the episodes and it wouldn't change a darn thing - they are just useless filler episodes. By the end of the show, I still think this show has one of the most boring and insipid supporting cast in anime history. Big revelations? Plot twists? I found myself yawning in the last few episodes.
And then, there's a big twist around ep 15/16 which leads the audience into thinking that this show might be able to play the emotional card well. In the end, I just end up thinking that the producers are real wimps who don't have the guts to <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'> kill of members of the regular cast for dramatic effect. </span>
Then there's Amon, we're led to think that he is going to be some badass hunter and that there might be some emotional <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'> romance between him and Robin </span> but nothing really develops out of that.

If you want an example of an anime that takes a similar premise and does it right, watch Scifi Harry. The characters actually show character growth unlike the ones in WHR who seem to be stuck with the same facial expression most of the time. The plot twists there are also more dramatic there. If you haven't seen that show, then please don't bother trying to contradict this argument.

[Sekiraku Bunchou]

So since I haven't seen this other show that doesn't even have a Region 1 release, you don't want me to respond to you? Well too bad. =P

So the show didn't live up to your expectations... That's not an argument the way I see it; it's an opinion. My opinion would be much the opposite of yours.

I found there to be plenty of foreshadowing and character development in the first half of the series. Granted, it was mainly with Amon and Robin, but they are the main charaters, so it should only be expected that it would be that way. I mean the show is called Witch Hunter Robin, not Witch Hunters or something else like that that would give the impression that all the characters were gonna be gone into with equal depth.

And honestly, how you didn't find the second half to be dramatic or emotional... well, that I just don't get at all. There are other ways to build dramatic tension and pull at people's emotions in a story besides by having people die you know. One episode I found particularly sad was <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>the one where Robin meets a couple to whom she reminds them of their daughter who got taken away because of her witch powers developing. Meeting them gives Robin a chance to finally see what it's like to be a normal girl with a loving family for once, only to have it torn away so quickly and erased like it never existed right under her nose.</span>

Also, just because <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>Robin and Amon don't ever get it on doesn't mean there wasn't anything developing between the two of them. If you couldn't see that towards the end, well I kinda have to wonder if we were even looking at the same show. I mean she put her life in his hands, and he jumped in front of the gun for her, literally. To me, that goes well beyond the call of duty or mere partnership. Maybe it's only a platonic kind of love between the two of them, but they definitely developed a very strong bond by series end.</span>

[DrMM]

I actually thought that WHR did an amazing job with character development, especially Robin. <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>So much of the series revolves around Robin and how she deals with accepting her powers, learning to trust, her past and her future responsibility. The Robin at the end of the series is not the same Robin we see at the beginning.</span> True, some of the side characters, especially Karasuma and Sakaki are developed a lot less (hardly at all in their case) but since the story is about Robin, not the others, it's less important. <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>As for setting up surprises with the early episodes -- given what we see of Dojima in the early eps, her later story is a big surprise.</span>

What I've decided some people have issues with is that, when compared to a lot of series, the changes are gradual, subtle and very hard to spot. In a lot of anime, there's a moment where you actually see the character change -- a moment of epiphany, if you like. WHR doesn't really have a moment like that; not only would being able to see that be utterly out of character for Robin (who's very, very guarded with her emotions) but it's not really needed since all of the changes happen very gradually.

I found this to be far more realistic (reallly, how common do you have a eureka moment in real life?) and utterly enthralling.

It's not the kind of style that everyone will enjoy but to dismiss character development as nonexistant isn't at all accurate.

[pianocello]

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Sekiraku Bunchou said:

I found there to be plenty of foreshadowing and character development in the first half of the series. Granted, it was mainly with Amon and Robin, but they are the main charaters, so it should only be expected that it would be that way. I mean the show is called Witch Hunter Robin, not Witch Hunters or something else like that that would give the impression that all the characters were gonna be gone into with equal depth.



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I must respectfully disagree. Take Irresponsible Captain Tylor as an example. From the title of the show, you would expect the entire series to just focus on Tylor. However, most of the cast get excellent character development and by the end of the series, I found myself feeling that I knew the cast well as if they were old friends. Even minor characters like the twins, the Marines were very well fleshed out.

[AbeChinchilla]

I thought the cast of Robin got a fair amount of characterization (some more or less), but in the end a lot of the characters are suppose to be bland - like a lot of us real folk.

[CrazyAsano]

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Sekiraku Bunchou said:

I found there to be plenty of foreshadowing and character development in the first half of the series. Granted, it was mainly with Amon and Robin, but they are the main charaters, so it should only be expected that it would be that way. I mean the show is called Witch Hunter Robin, not Witch Hunters or something else like that that would give the impression that all the characters were gonna be gone into with equal depth.



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I must respectfully disagree. Take Irresponsible Captain Tylor as an example. From the title of the show, you would expect the entire series to just focus on Tylor. However, most of the cast get excellent character development and by the end of the series, I found myself feeling that I knew the cast well as if they were old friends. Even minor characters like the twins, the Marines were very well fleshed out.

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It doesn't matter what a title is or what YOU think the title implies about who the show will focus on. Nor does it matter what you think the show implies about how awesome upcoming plot twists will be. Your entire argument is based on things that you claim the show promises somehow and then doesn't deliver, but none of the eyecatches or any other part of Witch Hunter Robin said "BEST SHOW EVER! AWESOME TWISTS! DEEP CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON APPEARING IN THE SHOW, EVEN THE EXTRAS! GRAPHIC SEX BETWEEN THE TWO MAIN CHARACTERS!" You can't make up things that a show "promises" to have in your own head and then claim it sucks because it doesn't deliver. The show is what it is, and unless the creators told you specifically to have the expectations that you imposed on it, it's your own problem that you were disappointed.

[Sekiraku Bunchou]

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piano_cello_conducting said:
I must respectfully disagree. Take Irresponsible Captain Tylor as an example. From the title of the show, you would expect the entire series to just focus on Tylor. However, most of the cast get excellent character development and by the end of the series, I found myself feeling that I knew the cast well as if they were old friends. Even minor characters like the twins, the Marines were very well fleshed out.

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Well, I don't know if it's that we're disagreeing on this so much as we're just looking at it from slightly different angles here. I do agree with you entirely that the show failed to sufficiently develop the supporting cast, particularly Sakaki. I mean, to me he just sort of seemed like the show's punching bag: always getting beat up and never being there for much more than to make the others look good by comparison.

I really do wish they had done a better job of going into his and a few other of the characters' backgrounds, but that they chose not to still doesn't subtract much from the strength of the central story in my eyes. So the way I look at it, it's a forgivable shortcoming.

I know there are other shows that do a much better job in that regard (the one that immediately pops into my mind from my experience would be X), but I also know there are many (including ones I still consider to be of high quality) that don't. And like someone else just said, it's kinda more realistic to have it that way when you think about it -- to have characters that aren't larger than life, that are more or less ordinary and thus don't require much background for us to get to know them.

In past discussions I've had about the show actually, I've heard this come up, where people woud refer to the the series as being sort of "hyper-realistic." Of course the basic premise of the show is fantasy, but looking past that, I really think that's a good description of the show's overall style and feel. It's a quality it has I think that sets it apart from most other anime, and consequently is rather off-putting to a lot folks when they see it. I'm not sure, but I think maybe that's part of why it didn't really click with you, as well as a lot of other people I know.

[pianocello]

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Sekiraku Bunchou said:

I found there to be plenty of foreshadowing and character development in the first half of the series. Granted, it was mainly with Amon and Robin, but they are the main charaters, so it should only be expected that it would be that way. I mean the show is called Witch Hunter Robin, not Witch Hunters or something else like that that would give the impression that all the characters were gonna be gone into with equal depth.



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I must respectfully disagree. Take Irresponsible Captain Tylor as an example. From the title of the show, you would expect the entire series to just focus on Tylor. However, most of the cast get excellent character development and by the end of the series, I found myself feeling that I knew the cast well as if they were old friends. Even minor characters like the twins, the Marines were very well fleshed out.

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It doesn't matter what a title is or what YOU think the title implies about who the show will focus on. Nor does it matter what you think the show implies about how awesome upcoming plot twists will be. Your entire argument is based on things that you claim the show promises somehow and then doesn't deliver, but none of the eyecatches or any other part of Witch Hunter Robin said "BEST SHOW EVER! AWESOME TWISTS! DEEP CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON APPEARING IN THE SHOW, EVEN THE EXTRAS! GRAPHIC SEX BETWEEN THE TWO MAIN CHARACTERS!" You can't make up things that a show "promises" to have in your own head and then claim it sucks because it doesn't deliver. The show is what it is, and unless the creators told you specifically to have the expectations that you imposed on it, it's your own problem that you were disappointed.

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Being rather touchy that your favorite show is being attacked, right? I gave valid reasons why I hated the show and I'm not alone in feeling that way. Deal with the fact that other people have different opinions.

[CrazyAsano]

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Being rather touchy that your favorite show is being attacked, right? I gave valid reasons why I hated the show and I'm not alone in feeling that way. Deal with the fact that other people have different opinions.

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Ha. WHR is far from my favorite show. And I like how you managed three different logical fallacies in that paragraph. Kudos. Let me repeat myself since you didn't get it the first time. I don't give a shit that you hated the show. I am saying it is illogical for you to claim that the show is "dishonest" and somehow giving you all sorts of impressions of how good it should be. That's like if I said my computer is dishonest because it gives the impression it's very stable but then it crashes. Go ahead and hate a show all you want, but don't run around claiming you were deceived.

[BrianF]

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piano_cello_conducting said:
Being rather touchy that your favorite show is being attacked, right?


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As indeed are most people, in my experience - and as I suspected from what he was actually saying, I see that Crazy Asano has just pointed out that WHR is far from being one of his favourite shows.

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I gave valid reasons why I hated the show and I'm not alone in feeling that way.


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Well, reasons, certainly. I'm not so sure about the 'valid' part. I don't think it's entirely reasonable to hold either a show or its creators responsible for what some people claim they can read into it in terms of what they 'think' it promises, eg. plot twist, great revelations, etc.

I, also, know that I am not alone is saying that I did not get any impression that we were being promised great drama, intricate plot twists, and so on.

What we got was pretty much what I was expecting after the first disk - a relatively slow moving and thoughtful series with the occasional burst of action. Although there were a few twists to the plot, there were few real surprises, eg. I guessed the origin of the green gunk (the name of which escapes me) within the first few espisodes.

A handful of characters were reasonably well fleshed out (pretty much par for the course for any series), and the fact that no genuine romantic relationship developed between the two main characters was a refreshing change.

Not a great series by any means, but enjoyable enough to be worth the price for the collection.

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Deal with the fact that other people have different opinions.


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I suspect that I am not the only one to see the irony in this statement.

[pianocello]

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piano_cello_conducting said:
Being rather touchy that your favorite show is being attacked, right? I gave valid reasons why I hated the show and I'm not alone in feeling that way. Deal with the fact that other people have different opinions.

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Ha. WHR is far from my favorite show. And I like how you managed three different logical fallacies in that paragraph. Kudos. Let me repeat myself since you didn't get it the first time. I don't give a shit that you hated the show. I am saying it is illogical for you to claim that the show is "dishonest" and somehow giving you all sorts of impressions of how good it should be. That's like if I said my computer is dishonest because it gives the impression it's very stable but then it crashes. Go ahead and hate a show all you want, but don't run around claiming you were deceived.

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Okay to quote you:
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It doesn't matter what a title is or what YOU think the title implies about who the show will focus on. Nor does it matter what you think the show implies about how awesome upcoming plot twists will be. Your entire argument is based on things that you claim the show promises somehow and then doesn't deliver, but none of the eyecatches or any other part of Witch Hunter Robin said "BEST SHOW EVER! AWESOME TWISTS! DEEP CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON APPEARING IN THE SHOW, EVEN THE EXTRAS! GRAPHIC SEX BETWEEN THE TWO MAIN CHARACTERS!" You can't make up things that a show "promises" to have in your own head and then claim it sucks because it doesn't deliver. The show is what it is, and unless the creators told you specifically to have the expectations that you imposed on it, it's your own problem that you were disappointed.


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I have a serious problem with your post. It is highly insulting. You imply that it is not okay for me to give reasons in a recommendations forum as to why dislike the show. The whole purpose of the post is to let others know whether they might like or dislike the show since everyone approaches a show from a different angle. I'm highly insulted by the way you said [ QUOTE ]
it's your own problem that you were disappointed


[/ QUOTE ] as if I had no right to express why I dislike the show and clearly shows contempt for other people's opinions. Your highly sarcastic tone of [ QUOTE ]
EVEN THE EXTRAS! GRAPHIC SEX BETWEEN THE TWO MAIN CHARACTERS!

[/ QUOTE ] does nothing but add fire to your flame.
Think about what you write to others before posting.

[CrazyAsano]

I'm sorry you find my posts offensive but you've repeatedly mischaracterized them and my motivations for them. In addition, you still refuse to acknowledge their real content, and at this point I must conclude you do so intentionally. What's really going on here is you're using specious rhetoric, I called you on it, and you responded with a barrage of ad hominem.

[Nuriko]

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I'm sorry you find my posts offensive but you've repeatedly mischaracterized them and my motivations for them. In addition, you still refuse to acknowledge their real content, and at this point I must conclude you do so intentionally. What's really going on here is you're using specious rhetoric, I called you on it, and you responded with a barrage of ad hominem.

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I don't know why you are so hung up on piano's post. He just stated his opinion just like any one of us would of done. What is wrong to have expectations? We all do. I expected WHR to be awesome based on the number of recommedations raving for this series when it came out, but alas I was a little dissappointed as well and agree with a number of piano's points.

I'm not sure what you mean by "acknowledge their real content" means, but last I heard, we are not restricted in giving recommendations for or against a series. Piano has the freedom to say whatever he wants about the series ... it is HIS opinion. If you don't like his post on WHR, then just walk away. I don't think you have the right to judge his view to be right or wrong.

It is one thing to have a discussion and piano has provided his reasons for disliking WHR. It is another when you are being disrespectful to other's opinion.

[CrazyAsano]

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CrazyAsano said:
I'm sorry you find my posts offensive but you've repeatedly mischaracterized them and my motivations for them. In addition, you still refuse to acknowledge their real content, and at this point I must conclude you do so intentionally. What's really going on here is you're using specious rhetoric, I called you on it, and you responded with a barrage of ad hominem.

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I don't know why you are so hung up on piano's post. He just stated his opinion just like any one of us would of done. What is wrong to have expectations? We all do. I expected WHR to be awesome based on the number of recommedations raving for this series when it came out, but alas I was a little dissappointed as well and agree with a number of piano's points.

I'm not sure what you mean by "acknowledge their real content" means, but last I heard, we are not restricted in giving recommendations for or against a series. Piano has the freedom to say whatever he wants about the series ... it is HIS opinion. If you don't like his post on WHR, then just walk away. I don't think you have the right to judge his view to be right or wrong.

It is one thing to have a discussion and piano has provided his reasons for disliking WHR. It is another when you are being disrespectful to other's opinion.

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That's exactly what I'm not doing. I have never attacked his opinion or his right to state it. However, saying that the show pretended to be something it wasn't or that it promised him things it didn't deliver is not his opinion, it's entirely separate from his opinion. It's an accusation. You and he may have had high expectations for the show, but it's dishonest to blame your expectations on the show. You're the master of your expectations. Say you didn't like the show, fine. Say it didn't meet your expectations, fine. Saying it didn't meet your expectations and that the show deceived you into setting your expectations high in the first place... is simply not true.

It is fact that this particular argument started when I took exception to Piano's illogical assertion that WHR was "pretending" to be something it wasn't. It's fact that at that time, and since, I didn't and have never claimed that Piano didn't have the right to not like the show or say he didn't like the show. That is entirely different. It's fact that piano accused me of being upset that my "favorite show" was being attacked and that I didn't respect his right to an opinion, which was false. He attacked me personally for pointing out that his assertion was factually incorrect. If he didn't understand what I was getting at, that's no excuse for just assuming that I was attacking his right to an opinion (which I most certainly was not) and insulting me. It's fine if you don't know why I'm hung up about it, but you're doing exactly what he's been doing and assigning meaning and intent to my posts that does not exist.

[pianocello]

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CrazyAsano said:
I'm sorry you find my posts offensive but you've repeatedly mischaracterized them and my motivations for them. In addition, you still refuse to acknowledge their real content, and at this point I must conclude you do so intentionally. What's really going on here is you're using specious rhetoric, I called you on it, and you responded with a barrage of ad hominem.

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I don't know why you are so hung up on piano's post. He just stated his opinion just like any one of us would of done. What is wrong to have expectations? We all do. I expected WHR to be awesome based on the number of recommedations raving for this series when it came out, but alas I was a little dissappointed as well and agree with a number of piano's points.

I'm not sure what you mean by "acknowledge their real content" means, but last I heard, we are not restricted in giving recommendations for or against a series. Piano has the freedom to say whatever he wants about the series ... it is HIS opinion. If you don't like his post on WHR, then just walk away. I don't think you have the right to judge his view to be right or wrong.

It is one thing to have a discussion and piano has provided his reasons for disliking WHR. It is another when you are being disrespectful to other's opinion.

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(Adds Nuriko to list of best friends).

[pianocello]

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CrazyAsano said:
I'm sorry you find my posts offensive but you've repeatedly mischaracterized them and my motivations for them. In addition, you still refuse to acknowledge their real content, and at this point I must conclude you do so intentionally. What's really going on here is you're using specious rhetoric, I called you on it, and you responded with a barrage of ad hominem.

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I don't know why you are so hung up on piano's post. He just stated his opinion just like any one of us would of done. What is wrong to have expectations? We all do. I expected WHR to be awesome based on the number of recommedations raving for this series when it came out, but alas I was a little dissappointed as well and agree with a number of piano's points.

I'm not sure what you mean by "acknowledge their real content" means, but last I heard, we are not restricted in giving recommendations for or against a series. Piano has the freedom to say whatever he wants about the series ... it is HIS opinion. If you don't like his post on WHR, then just walk away. I don't think you have the right to judge his view to be right or wrong.

It is one thing to have a discussion and piano has provided his reasons for disliking WHR. It is another when you are being disrespectful to other's opinion.

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That's exactly what I'm not doing. I have never attacked his opinion or his right to state it. However, saying that the show pretended to be something it wasn't or that it promised him things it didn't deliver is not his opinion, it's entirely separate from his opinion. It's an accusation. You and he may have had high expectations for the show, but it's dishonest to blame your expectations on the show. You're the master of your expectations. Say you didn't like the show, fine. Say it didn't meet your expectations, fine. Saying it didn't meet your expectations and that the show deceived you into setting your expectations high in the first place... is simply not true.

It is fact that this particular argument started when I took exception to Piano's illogical assertion that WHR was "pretending" to be something it wasn't. It's fact that at that time, and since, I didn't and have never claimed that Piano didn't have the right to not like the show or say he didn't like the show. That is entirely different. It's fact that piano accused me of being upset that my "favorite show" was being attacked and that I didn't respect his right to an opinion, which was false. He attacked me personally for pointing out that his assertion was factually incorrect. If he didn't understand what I was getting at, that's no excuse for just assuming that I was attacking his right to an opinion (which I most certainly was not) and insulting me. It's fine if you don't know why I'm hung up about it, but you're doing exactly what he's been doing and assigning meaning and intent to my posts that does not exist.

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I do need to clear a few things though. While it may not necessarily be your intention, the nature of your tone in your posts came off as bein provocative and high-handed. Notice that I didn't have too much of a problem with Sekiraku Bunchou's post.

Now notice this particular quote [ QUOTE ]
It doesn't matter what a title is or what YOU think the title implies about who the show will focus on. Nor does it matter what you think the show implies about how awesome upcoming plot twists will be.

[/ QUOTE ]
Imagine a party where people are talking about something and someone gives their opinions. Imagine saying this particular quote. This quote clearly implies that the previous person who just gave their opinion is talking rubbish and the rest of the party should just ignore him/her. By negating said person's opinions, this is a way rubbing the person the wrong way because it sends the message "I don't think your views are worth anything - you are not worth anything."

Now this is further reinforced by harsh sentences like [ QUOTE ]
I don't give a shit that you hated the show.

[/ QUOTE ] It further aggravates the person because it basically means that the person just wasted time giving well-intentioned advice.

I'm not sure what you mean by "acknowledge their real content". Let's take an example (thinks and randomly takes up one example.) Let's say I like Mad Bull 34. I know many hate the show but I don't force others to share my liking for the show.
We all have a right to have different thoughts and expectations about a show. A yaoi fangirl may like, say, "Legend of the Blue Wolves" (I'm just givng an example) and I may say I dislike the show because I wasn't expecting fat man rape. It is unreasonable for that fangirl to say that I had no right to give that opinion because I had unrealistic unexpectations.

Not trying to blame you or anything. Just trying to make things clear to avoid any future conflict. It's just my nature to explain my feelings and thoughts clear on matters to everyone.

[CrazyAsano]

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piano_cello_conducting said:
I do need to clear a few things though. While it may not necessarily be your intention, the nature of your tone in your posts came off as bein provocative and high-handed. Notice that I didn't have too much of a problem with Sekiraku Bunchou's post.

Now notice this particular quote [ QUOTE ]
It doesn't matter what a title is or what YOU think the title implies about who the show will focus on. Nor does it matter what you think the show implies about how awesome upcoming plot twists will be.

[/ QUOTE ]
Imagine a party where people are talking about something and someone gives their opinions. Imagine saying this particular quote. This quote clearly implies that the previous person who just gave their opinion is talking rubbish and the rest of the party should just ignore him/her. By negating said person's opinions, this is a way rubbing the person the wrong way because it sends the message "I don't think your views are worth anything - you are not worth anything."

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I said it doesn't matter what you think a show's title implies because it's true. The implication of a title, without information direct from the creators of the title, is purely an invention of your own mind. It may be accurate or completely off the mark. Maybe the title doesn't even have any relevance the subject at hand. It's impossible to know. That's why using what you think the title implies as a basis for judging the show based on whether it matches your resultant expectations is invalid as either a positive or negative point about the series. Conclusions drawn from uncertain premises aren't opinions, they're just not valid.

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Now this is further reinforced by harsh sentences like [ QUOTE ]
I don't give a shit that you hated the show.

[/ QUOTE ] It further aggravates the person because it basically means that the person just wasted time giving well-intentioned advice.

[/ QUOTE ]
That was taken from my post responding to your post in which you said I was being touchy about my favorite show and unable to deal with people having different opinions. What I said isn't even very harsh if you'd realize that the point of the sentence is "I don't care if you hate the show because that's a completely different subject from what I'm trying to get across to you", not "I don't care if you hate the show because I don't respect you or your opinion."

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I'm not sure what you mean by "acknowledge their real content".

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This whole argument you've been responding as if I've been attacking your dislike of the show, but I haven't. I'm extremely tolerant towards dissenting opinions. I've only been trying to point out that the manner in which you've been voicing your opinion - blaming the show for getting your hopes up - isn't an opinion, it's incorrect and misleading.

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Let's take an example (thinks and randomly takes up one example.) Let's say I like Mad Bull 34. I know many hate the show but I don't force others to share my liking for the show.

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I wouldn't and haven't tried to force you to like Witch Hunter Robin. Whether you like it or not is entirely beside the point of what I've been trying to say.

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We all have a right to have different thoughts and expectations about a show. A yaoi fangirl may like, say, "Legend of the Blue Wolves" (I'm just givng an example) and I may say I dislike the show because I wasn't expecting fat man rape. It is unreasonable for that fangirl to say that I had no right to give that opinion because I had unrealistic unexpectations.

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I agree entirely. Expectations have a lot to do with whether a person likes a show or not. However, it's different to say you disliked the show because it didn't meet your expectations and to say you disliked the show because the show implied there wouldn't be any fat man rape and then there was. Unless the show or its creators tell you in no uncertain terms that there will be no fat man rape, there's no sense saying the show was dishonest when there is. If your own expectations that were influenced by your own perception of uncertain implications or intent aren't met, it's not the show's fault. It doesn't even have to be the show's fault that you don't like it. Fat man rape just isn't your bag.

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Not trying to blame you or anything. Just trying to make things clear to avoid any future conflict. It's just my nature to explain my feelings and thoughts clear on matters to everyone.

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I apologize if some of my language seemed inflammatory. I was frustrated at my point being misinterpreted.

[something]

CRAAAAAAAAWLING IIIIIIIN MY SKIIIIIIIIIN =P

Less argument over the tone of posts, more discussion of Robin sleeping naked. As for this show... I should really pick it up one day. Anime Legends would be great for this, a la the Escaflowne release. There have been so many times I've almost bought this but something else always trumped it...

[CrazyAsano]

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disarm said:
CRAAAAAAAAWLING IIIIIIIN MY SKIIIIIIIIIN =P

Less argument over the tone of posts, more discussion of Robin sleeping naked. As for this show... I should really pick it up one day. Anime Legends would be great for this, a la the Escaflowne release. There have been so many times I've almost bought this but something else always trumped it...

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/images/graemlins/icon_rolleyes.gif Logic is emo now, eh? That's new. I do like discussing Robin sleeping naked, though. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

[something]

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CrazyAsano said:
/images/graemlins/icon_rolleyes.gif Logic is emo now, eh? That's new.

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Oh chill =P There was just too much off topic back and forth about the wording of posts going on, that's all. Better to just discuss the show.

[CrazyAsano]

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disarm said:
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CrazyAsano said:
/images/graemlins/icon_rolleyes.gif Logic is emo now, eh? That's new.

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Oh chill =P There was just too much off topic back and forth about the wording of posts going on, that's all. Better to just discuss the show.

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I am chilled! Gosh. Maybe I need to change my display name to CalmSereneAlmostTrancelikeAsano. Then maybe you won't think I'm flipping out all the time. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

[pianocello]

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disarm said:
CRAAAAAAAAWLING IIIIIIIN MY SKIIIIIIIIIN =P

Less argument over the tone of posts, more discussion of Robin sleeping naked.

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No problem. How about posting some fanart of Robin sleeping naked? /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

[AbeChinchilla]

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piano_cello_conducting said:
No problem. How about posting some fanart of Robin sleeping naked? /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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I'll see what I can do.
(Looks for his Scanner Instal Disc)