Fate/Stay Night discussion thread [Archive]

treatment

01-14-2006, 11:28 PM

Bear in mind that I don't know much of the various character-details of this series.

Boring first half. Mitsuzuri and Shinji are introduced. Shinji's quite a playboy, but no match for Rin.

Enter Lancer. Duels with Rin's avatar Archer. Way too quick of a battle and not even that interesting, animation-wise. It ain't a J2-fight, I tells yah.

Shiro was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Saber finally appears at the end seemingly as Shiro's avatar.

Ep-3 will be Saber vs Lancer.

That's it.

They really should change the OP/ED songs on this. It's f'in boring.

golthin

01-15-2006, 02:17 AM

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treatment said:
Bear in mind that I don't know much of the various character-details of this series.

Boring first half. Mitsuzuri and Shinji are introduced. Shinji's quite a playboy, but no match for Rin.

Enter Lancer. Duels with Rin's avatar Archer. Way too quick of a battle and not even that interesting, animation-wise. It ain't a J2-fight, I tells yah.

Shiro was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Saber finally appears at the end seemingly as Shiro's avatar.

Ep-3 will be Saber vs Lancer.

That's it.

They really should change the OP/ED songs on this. It's f'in boring.

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I dislike Shinji, I loved the fact that Rin rejected his pompous ass. IT seems that Rin is sweet on Shiro, I bet Shinji will shit nails if Rin starts dating Shiro.

Fencedude

01-15-2006, 07:55 AM

Its "Servant" not "Avatar"

Fencedude

01-15-2006, 07:55 AM

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I dislike Shinji, I loved the fact that Rin rejected his pompous ass. IT seems that Rin is sweet on Shiro, I bet Shinji will shit nails if Rin starts dating Shiro.

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Rin is gay for Saber

golthin

01-15-2006, 11:10 AM

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golthin said:

I dislike Shinji, I loved the fact that Rin rejected his pompous ass. IT seems that Rin is sweet on Shiro, I bet Shinji will shit nails if Rin starts dating Shiro.

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Rin is gay for Saber

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Ah! I didn't know that. Still, I blieve Rin is sweet on Shiro. I doubt she would have broken a rule and wasted a jewel for anybody else, and when Archer question her about, she did a third of Shana motto and blushed [Urusai]. can the masters get intimite with the Servants?

treatment

01-15-2006, 12:51 PM

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Fencedude said:
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golthin said:

I dislike Shinji, I loved the fact that Rin rejected his pompous ass. IT seems that Rin is sweet on Shiro, I bet Shinji will shit nails if Rin starts dating Shiro.

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Rin is gay for Saber

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Ah! I didn't know that. Still, I blieve Rin is sweet on Shiro. I doubt she would have broken a rule and wasted a jewel for anybody else, and when Archer question her about, she did a third of Shana motto and blushed [Urusai]. can the masters get intimite with the Servants? 

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Rin's blushing indicates she's straight.

Regarding Shinji, I really don't think he'll shit nails for a Rin-Shiro thing. He might get annoyed, however, coz his sister Sakura seems to be into Shiro more than necessary.

Btw, them metal boxing-gloves of Saber were a funny. It doesn't help me treat this series with any seriousness at all. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Fencedude

01-15-2006, 03:46 PM

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Rin's blushing indicates she's straight.

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Rin has a fetish for cute girls.

golthin

01-15-2006, 05:34 PM

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Rin's blushing indicates she's straight.

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Rin has a fetish for cute girls.

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That doesn't mean she doesn't like guys, Ever heard of Bisexuals /images/graemlins/tongue.gif. It seems to me that it is easier for a woman to be bisexual than to a man.

kaorichan

01-15-2006, 06:21 PM

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Rin's blushing indicates she's straight.

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Rin has a fetish for cute girls.

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Hmm, I doubt Rin had any idea that Saber will come in the form of a girl when she summoned said card. She probably thought Saber will come in the form of masculine blonde hunk.

treatment

01-15-2006, 06:59 PM

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Rin's blushing indicates she's straight.

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Rin has a fetish for cute girls.

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Hmm, I doubt Rin had any idea that Saber will come in the form of a girl when she summoned said card. She probably thought Saber will come in the form of masculine blonde hunk.

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We'll see what happens in ep-3, as Rin and Saber has yet to meet each other.

Fencedude

01-15-2006, 07:30 PM

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treatment said:

Rin's blushing indicates she's straight.

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Rin has a fetish for cute girls.

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That doesn't mean she doesn't like guys, Ever heard of Bisexuals /images/graemlins/tongue.gif. It seems to me that it is easier for a woman to be bisexual than to a man.

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I never said Rin wasn't bi, I just said that she's gay for Saber, which is true.

Lego

01-15-2006, 09:08 PM

It should be fun to see Saber pal around with Shirou. That and Sakura's reaction to having a girl following him(since she likes him of course). As they hinted at in episode 1 and the game. I'm still waiting to see Rider make her grand apperance, not to mention Caster. I find it amusing that the VA playing Rider also played Sakaki in Azumanga /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif.

With Shinji appearing in the preview for episode 3, it seems like we'll hopefully get a couple scenes with Rider in it .

redxxii

01-15-2006, 09:54 PM

I thought the first episode was a touch underwhelming, mostly a set up for the series, but episode 2 really got me hooked. Nice setup with Rin, more information about the Servants, and let's not forget to mention some good fight scenes. Episode 3 looks like it's going to kick some ass with Saber versus Lancer and hopefully explain more about the Holy Grail War.

Lego

01-15-2006, 10:56 PM

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I thought the first episode was a touch underwhelming, mostly a set up for the series, but episode 2 really got me hooked. Nice setup with Rin, more information about the Servants, and let's not forget to mention some good fight scenes. Episode 3 looks like it's going to kick some ass with Saber versus Lancer and hopefully explain more about the Holy Grail War.

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Yeh. I liked Lancer's personality in episode 2. He came off as this creepy stalker/murderer type that gave me the creeps.

01-18-2006, 06:31 AM

Ueda (who play Rin) played Fate / stay night PC Game.
She said "My secret wish is to defeat Shirou and contract with Saber /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif"

News Source
http://www.dengekionline.com/g-net/news/200601/16/gn20060116_fate.htm

Lego

01-19-2006, 03:30 AM

Taking another look at the first two episodes, my favorite character is Fuji-Nee. Her comedic timing is good, and I like her character. Especially when called "Tiger-Sensei" heh. Although Sakura's eyes have this "lifeless" look that is kind of freaky.

Citizen Klaus

01-19-2006, 04:12 AM

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Although Sakura's eyes have this "lifeless" look that is kind of freaky.

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When (if?) they get to her personal history, you'll find out why. It's pretty sad.

Lego

01-19-2006, 04:28 AM

Ah, then they aren't that way due to character design. Unlike Tsukihime, I don't know the ins and outs of Fate. I know the cast of characters, who is who and etc, but not the inner workings. That gives me something to look forward to though Klaus.

I'm still looking forward to seeing everyone try to "act normal" during the day time. Should be fun to see Saber in normal clothes.

Lego

01-20-2006, 02:42 PM

Well episode 3 has aired, and we get some more Saber action. Looks like Ilya makes a apperance in this episode again. Still no sign of Rider /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif

redxxii

01-20-2006, 03:13 PM

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Well episode 3 has aired, and we get some more Saber action. Looks like Ilya makes a apperance in this episode again. Still no sign of Rider /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif

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My hopes of watching this episode this weekend is crushing me...

Lego

01-20-2006, 04:56 PM

Ah, didn't mean to "spoil it".

Gatts

01-22-2006, 02:28 AM

I just read through the original thread and it really hasn't been mentioned, but people should keep in mind that Saber's name is also read as "Saver". So if anyone who hasn't followed the game gets confused about why all of the other servants are named after their job/class, but Saber is named after a weapon, this should explain that she's also named after her job/class.

Anyway, don't mind me, I was just a bit surprised that aspect of their names never came up in the previous thread. /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

mattsh

01-22-2006, 04:12 AM

Just finished episode 3, and...

Well, so far the show isn't doing much for me. This episode mainly consisted of the characters standing around talking, and the episode just felt really plodding. It had a really tough time keeping my attention. I'm thinking this scene would have come off way better in the novel (well, "game", but from the hour I spent fiddling around with a friend's copy of the game, it's just a choose-your-own adventure novel with some graphics), just from a pacing stand point.

I think I'll wait til ep 4 comes out, then watch 1-4 in one chunk to see if that can't kick start my interest in the plot, because it's been very shallow character wise, and the action sequences are so short/slideshowy that they aren't worth following the show for. The overall feeling I've gotten from the show so far is very .hack//sign ish, and I despise .hack//sign...

golthin

01-22-2006, 04:18 AM

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I just read through the original thread and it really hasn't been mentioned, but people should keep in mind that Saber's name is also read as "Saver". So if anyone who hasn't followed the game gets confused about why all of the other servants are named after their job/class, but Saber is named after a weapon, this should explain that she's also named after her job/class.

Anyway, don't mind me, I was just a bit surprised that aspect of their names never came up in the previous thread. /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

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well, that is the first time I hear that term for a job/class and I a veteran when it comes to fantasy classes.
I guess the manga author was being creative there.

mellowrg2

01-22-2006, 05:10 AM

Fate is more like... hm... Kamen Rider Ryuuki, Battle Royale, ect..

golthin

01-22-2006, 05:15 AM

Gatts

01-22-2006, 11:13 AM

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mattsh said:
from the hour I spent fiddling around with a friend's copy of the game, it's just a choose-your-own adventure novel with some graphics),

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Ah, it's not really choose your own adventure. There are three stories in F/SN and when you play the game, you play the three different stories in order. You don't really get a choice as to what happens. The selections are mainly for the fights and slight variation in the dialogue.

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well, that is the first time I hear that term for a job/class and I a veteran when it comes to fantasy classes.

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Think of her as a Paladin/Knight she "saves" and "protects". It makes much more sense if you know what their true names are. /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

golthin

01-22-2006, 01:27 PM

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Gatts said:

Think of her as a Paladin/Knight she "saves" and "protects". It makes much more sense if you know what their true names are. /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

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I suspect she is Joan de arc, the french girl that lead the
war against the british in france and later was backstabbed by her superiors because she had too much influenace with the people.

Gatts

01-22-2006, 02:41 PM

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Gatts said:

Think of her as a Paladin/Knight she "saves" and "protects". It makes much more sense if you know what their true names are. /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

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I suspect she is Joan de arc, the french girl that lead the
war against the british in france and later was backstabbed by her superiors because she had too much influenace with the people.

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Nope, but a good guess. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

golthin

01-22-2006, 02:50 PM

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golthin said:
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Gatts said:

Think of her as a Paladin/Knight she "saves" and "protects". It makes much more sense if you know what their true names are. /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

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I suspect she is Joan de arc, the french girl that lead the
war against the british in france and later was backstabbed by her superiors because she had too much influenace with the people.

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Nope, but a good guess. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

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So be a pal and tell me, I have no chance to get the game now that I can't import stuff from japan anymore /images/graemlins/depresse.gif

ayareiko

01-22-2006, 03:01 PM

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well, that is the first time I hear that term for a job/class and I a veteran when it comes to fantasy classes.
I guess the manga author was being creative there.

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F/sn, like Tsukihime, Air, and Kanon, originated from a ren-ai game. No official F/sn manga has ever been produced.

Edit: All you need to know you can find here (http://www.geocities.com/max3075/top.htm). Let's just say you'll be surprised at the answer. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif (You can find it in 'Fate/stay night':'Servant Status':'Saber'.)

golthin

01-22-2006, 03:03 PM

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well, that is the first time I hear that term for a job/class and I a veteran when it comes to fantasy classes.
I guess the manga author was being creative there.

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F/sn, like Tsukihime, Air, and Kanon, originated from a ren-ai game. No official F/sn manga has ever been produced.

[/ QUOTE ]Ah, I was thinking it was a manga because there is a manga out now, I guess the manga came after the game.

DiGiKerot

01-22-2006, 03:55 PM

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well, that is the first time I hear that term for a job/class and I a veteran when it comes to fantasy classes.
I guess the manga author was being creative there.

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F/sn, like Tsukihime, Air, and Kanon, originated from a ren-ai game. No official F/sn manga has ever been produced.

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Actually, an manga adaption of F/SN started running in one of the Japanese magazines a couple of weeks before the anime adaption started.

Citizen Klaus

01-22-2006, 06:52 PM

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So be a pal and tell me, I have no chance to get the game now that I can't import stuff from japan anymore /images/graemlins/depresse.gif

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You sure you're ready for this?

She's King Arthur. Yes, you read that right -- her true name is "Arthuria". In the Type-Mooniverse, apparently, kinghood is an equal-opportunity position.

golthin

01-22-2006, 07:23 PM

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golthin said:
So be a pal and tell me, I have no chance to get the game now that I can't import stuff from japan anymore /images/graemlins/depresse.gif

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You sure you're ready for this?

She's King Arthur. Yes, you read that right -- her true name is "Arthuria". In the Type-Mooniverse, apparently, kinghood is an equal-opportunity position.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif
Wow that was a surprised! Thanks for the laugh!
I need now to go and take something for my belly ache.
But before I go, that person was not really that big of a warrior. Was mostly his magic sword.

Lego

01-22-2006, 10:08 PM

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F/sn, like Tsukihime, Air, and Kanon, originated from a ren-ai game. No official F/sn manga has ever been produced.

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Yes. You also have Ataraxia which was released not to long ago, and various Fate side stories. So it seems if the original Fate is successful, we might see spin offs and etc. I don't mind, as I'm a huge Type Moon fan.

golthin

01-22-2006, 10:14 PM

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F/sn, like Tsukihime, Air, and Kanon, originated from a ren-ai game. No official F/sn manga has ever been produced.

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Yes. You also have Ataraxia which was released not to long ago, and various Fate side stories. So it seems if the original Fate is successful, we might see spin offs and etc. I don't mind, as I'm a huge Type Moon fan.

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I am still hoping for a real sequel to tsukihime, not the
one that was a remake with new characters, thus that one didn't make it to anime. I think it was called melty something.

Lego

01-22-2006, 10:15 PM

Melty Blood and Melty Blood II were both fighting games. They're fun to play, and you can find them cheap for 30 bucks or so. I love playing as Neo Arc and etc. There are many side stories/fan disks for both of Type Moon's properties.

You can check out the extras related to Tsukihime at this part (http://www.typemoon.org/works/index.html) of Type Moon's site. The site is of course NSFW, so use your judgement.

Gatts

01-22-2006, 11:02 PM

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I am still hoping for a real sequel to tsukihime, not the
one that was a remake with new characters, thus that one didn't make it to anime. I think it was called melty something.

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As was already mentioned, Melty Blood is a doujin fighting game with Tsukihime characters. It wasn't a Typemoon game although the story was written by them. The one you are probably thinking of is Kagetsu Tohya and the Plus Disc fan disc that was released at a Comiket.

ayareiko

01-23-2006, 12:10 AM

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Lego said:
Melty Blood and Melty Blood II were both fighting games. They're fun to play, and you can find them cheap for 30 bucks or so. I love playing as Neo Arc and etc. There are many side stories/fan disks for both of Type Moon's properties.

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I feel strangely obliged to correct the above...

There is no Melty Blood II. Melty Blood ReAct is an expansion of the original Melty Blood, both of which are for the PC. Melty Blood Act Cadenza is the arcade version and is another expansion (official website (http://e56.info/mbac/)).

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Melty Blood (http://www.himeyashop.com/product_info.php/products_id/830)
Melty Blood ReAct (http://www.himeyashop.com/product_info.php/products_id/831)
Combined total $66 + shipping

Lego

01-23-2006, 12:31 AM

Ah, heh, trying to make points while half asleep. There was something on Moon Phase about Fate/Stay Night coming to the PS2. Not sure if it's the game itself, or a new game.

01-23-2006, 01:39 AM

I think Melty Blood is arguably more popular than than what it's based on at this point. Considering the places where ideas are coming from now, it wouldn't totally shock me to see it get some kind of animation production even if it's just a short OVA.

redxxii

01-23-2006, 03:38 PM

I just saw episode 3, and I really liked it. Good action, more information on the plot and story world. The best part though was the interaction between Emiya and Saber; it's really clear she doesn't like him and is barely tolerating him out of respect for her 'master.' I think things will get more interesting after episode 4 with more interaction between the two (plus another kickass fight scene between Saber and Berserker).

moyism

01-23-2006, 05:11 PM

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Ah, heh, trying to make points while half asleep. There was something on Moon Phase about Fate/Stay Night coming to the PS2. Not sure if it's the game itself, or a new game.

[/ QUOTE ]suppose to be the game itself ported over to the PS2, from what I hear.

It'll be great if they could somehow add voices to the game, but that's probably a pipedream. /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

Citizen Klaus

01-23-2006, 05:29 PM

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Ah, heh, trying to make points while half asleep. There was something on Moon Phase about Fate/Stay Night coming to the PS2. Not sure if it's the game itself, or a new game.

[/ QUOTE ]suppose to be the game itself ported over to the PS2, from what I hear.

It'll be great if they could somehow add voices to the game, but that's probably a pipedream. /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

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...And then they'd have the world's first four-DVD game. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

treatment

01-29-2006, 02:09 AM

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Just finished episode 3, and...

Well, so far the show isn't doing much for me. This episode mainly consisted of the characters standing around talking, and the episode just felt really plodding. It had a really tough time keeping my attention. I'm thinking this scene would have come off way better in the novel (well, "game", but from the hour I spent fiddling around with a friend's copy of the game, it's just a choose-your-own adventure novel with some graphics), just from a pacing stand point.

I think I'll wait til ep 4 comes out, then watch 1-4 in one chunk to see if that can't kick start my interest in the plot, because it's been very shallow character wise, and the action sequences are so short/slideshowy that they aren't worth following the show for. The overall feeling I've gotten from the show so far is very .hack//sign ish, and I despise .hack//sign...

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Well, ep-4 was ok. Ilya's Heracles besting Saber and Shiro did a gallant, but stupid move, however. Ilya lost interest, tho she promised to kill Rin next time. Rin spent the night at Shiro's.

This series is still just not living up to the hype. It's just like a harem/bishoujo version/combination of Yugi-Oh and Pokemon. The action-sequences, while above Yugi-Oh/Pokemon levels, is still sub-standard and quite generic. I wish Gainax had some hand in this to both write in a WTF-moment and animate a better action-sequence since the series is really becoming too linear and quite too boring in both areas.

The only thing I'm looking forward in this series is if a possible Rin/Shiro romance-thing happens since it's subtly being hinted at to offset the boring plot. A possible Shiro/Saber romance as well, with Rin and Sakura at the flanks for Shiro, will give this series the necessary storyline-complexity it desperately needs.

mattsh

01-29-2006, 02:48 AM

Went back and watched 1-3 before watching 4. I still found the first three episodes really plodding and slow. It's one thing when shows take their time to build up the story/characters, and it's another thing when the show is just slow. It felt to me like with some tighter direction they could have fit the content of the first 3 epsiodes into 1.5-2.

That said, 4 came off a lot better to me. My biggest gripes are Ilya calling off the fight early (why? At the beginning of the episode she's ready to have Heracles splatter all three of them, but then suddenly once Shiro gets smacked she calls him off and leaves? I'm hoping they think of a good explanation for this other than "because the plot says so") and Shiro still seems like kind of a wanker. With lines like "Girls shouldn't be swinging weapons around, you might get hurt" (from ep 3) and "I don't need a reason to protect a girl", my eyes just roll and roll...

Rin and Saber are growing on me at least, they both had some good scenes in the second half. I thought the exchange near the end between Shiro and Saber was pretty cute. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

"Extravagance is our enemy."
"Sure seems like there are a lot of enemies..."
"That may be so."

I'll stick around for a few more episodes to see if the show can maintain this upswing.

golthin

01-29-2006, 03:02 AM

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treatment said:
The only thing I'm looking forward in this series is if a possible Rin/Shiro romance-thing happens since it's subtly being hinted at to offset the boring plot. A possible Shiro/Saber romance as well, with Rin and Sakura at the flanks for Shiro, will give this series the necessary storyline-complexity it desperately needs.

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well there are already hints of Sakura having a temper when it comes to someone getting in between her and Shiro when she met Rin the morning after.

golthin

01-29-2006, 03:05 AM

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I'm hoping they think of a good explanation for this other than "because the plot says so") and Shiro still seems like kind of a wanker. With lines like "Girls shouldn't be swinging weapons around, you might get hurt" (from ep 3) and "I don't need a reason to protect a girl", my eyes just roll and roll

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that was my same reaction when he said that! /images/graemlins/icon_rolleyes.gif

BluWacky

01-29-2006, 07:59 AM

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This series is still just not living up to the hype. It's just like a harem/bishoujo version/combination of Yugi-Oh and Pokemon.

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Was anyone really expecting a lot else? It's a generic shounen action show with some half-decent twists and turns from all I can see.

I think a lot of people thought it was cool to like Fate/Stay Night without knowing much about it because a) it's from Type Moon and therefore somehow super-niche-geeky to know stuff about it and b) it has decent character designs (I'm pleasantly surprised by how many blokes are in the series; I was under the impression it was going to be absolutely harem-tastic).

I'm enjoying the show quite a lot, but then I was originally determined to despise it because everyone kept going on about it so much (hype works in the opposite direction for me). There's nothing especially outstanding about it, but it's competently animated (I've been impressed with the fight sequences thus far, it's not like they're Noein quality or anything but they're fluid and dramatic) and has several quite decently written characters to offset the rather cliche osananajimi/ane-san/lolicon ones.

DiGiKerot

01-29-2006, 08:18 AM

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treatment said:

This series is still just not living up to the hype. It's just like a harem/bishoujo version/combination of Yugi-Oh and Pokemon.

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Was anyone really expecting a lot else?

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I think a lot of people were expecting better animation given its pretty high profile. That, and the pacing to be a lot more up tempo. As it is, its fine for me (I like Mashimo/Beetrain works...), but anyone who went in expecting insane pyrotechnics and hyperkinetic battles galore will be disapointed.

I think a lot of the problem is that they have too much material for 13 episodes (I suspect if it was there would be a lot of complaints that it doesn't make sense), but at 24 they are stretching things out a bit fine. Now they've explained most of the background and introduced most of the characters they can hopefully step things up somewhat.

Ultimately, I can't help but think that this show would be so much more awesome if someone like Akiyuki Shinbo was directing, but its not loli enough for him /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

guyver83

01-29-2006, 09:23 AM

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I think a lot of people thought it was cool to like Fate/Stay Night without knowing much about it because a) it's from Type Moon and therefore somehow super-niche-geeky to know stuff about it and b) it has decent character designs (I'm pleasantly surprised by how many blokes are in the series; I was under the impression it was going to be absolutely harem-tastic).

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I am one of thse who doesn't have any knowledge of type moon games/shows. When I saw the previews at otakon I was like oh shit a cool looking shounen show with some nice fighting. So far all I've seen is a little boy who is a wussy and tries to be all good when he tries to save his servant but ends up.. "dead"...again, however he lives again. I mean how many more times will he die and come back? I mean dont' get me wrong I don't dislike this show but I am kinda not feeling it from what I saw from the trailer at otakon. I guess you can say I kinda expected a X tv series type show in a way.. anyway.. that just what I think. I'm not going to drop the show I'll keep on watchin to see I change my mind.

Lego

01-29-2006, 09:41 AM

I can see your point. Being a Type Moon fan, I've been through the story of Fate/Stay Night and own the game myself. I didn't look at the show as the "end all" of its genere. For me it was more of a "Cool, I'll finally get to see this and this animated". The same can be said when one of your favorite mangas gets a anime.

If you over hype anything you'll end up getting let down. I didn't go into Fate looking for it to be on par with some of the heavy hitters in the genre. That and you have to realize where the source material is coming from, a novel game. The same can be said for Shana. While the show obviously has its flaws, people still watch it and enjoy it.

musouka

01-29-2006, 10:15 AM

Wow, I'm surprised. It almost seems like I, and a handful of others, are the only ones enjoying this series. I really like all the characters thus far, and the plot definitely has my attention. (Though as I've told others, to hook me all you have to do is mention the words "grail" and "quest" and I'm there. I'm just hoping an even closer connection to Arthurian legend will pop up.)

RE: Shirou and "girls". It probably should bother me more than it does, but for all his talk, I really get the feeling that Shirou would try to protect and save ANYONE that's in danger. Or it might just be I've gotten into my "knights" mindset for this show.

And I really really do like Shirou, which surprised me. I think he and Saber have a good relationship going, so I'm looking forward to what's going to happen next.

I, too, wasn't really hyped for this show. I avoided pretty much everything about it, except for the trailer at AX. I guess that was a good thing, because instead of having my expectations built up to fever level, I was pleasantly surprised. And, hey, I think it's better than Shana.

Lego

01-29-2006, 10:17 AM

Yeh, I'm a fan of the show myself. I'm a big fan of Rider /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif.

Fencedude

01-29-2006, 10:53 AM

I'm with musouka, I think the show is going great.

I really don't see how it is "slow" and I don't really think the animation is particularly bad.

The show has a specific goal in mind, and is telling the story in the way needed to do that.

If that involves spending time building the characters and their relationships before having the proverbial shit hit the proverbial fan, well, good.

Otome is getting the same complaints, and it kinda annoys me.

As for Shirou's gallantness, thats what makes Saber the perfect fit for him. Despite being a servent, despite being part of this war, Saber is still a knight, and a good proper Arthurian knight is going to want to protect the innocent. Even when they are questing for the Holy Grail.

Ilya's one demented Loli though. Whew...

Suwako Moriya

01-29-2006, 10:55 AM

I've been interested in checking out the series ever since I've seen images from it. However playing the game for me wasn't exactly an option. So the fact there is an anime version to check out and eventually collect is a good thing.

Now granted I've only seen the first three episodes. However so far I do like the series myself. Yeah it's not anything grand or epic yet. However I don't expect series to part water. Especially not in the first three episodes of a series that is supposed to be twenty four episodes from what I've heard.

In any case right now for me the series has potential. However the potential depends on the progress of the plot and the balance between the characters in terms of story focus. Of course the fact the Servants make me think of Job Classes come to life is a definite plus.

bobma

01-29-2006, 02:51 PM

Count me in as enjoying the show as well. FSN might be on the talkative side, but so far I'm not bothered by it. On the contrary, the voice work is rather good and the dialogues are entertaining. Even after episodes 3 and 4 which were accused of being too much talking heads and not enough action, the first thing I thought at the end was "Huh? It's already over?" which is a good sign.

As far as character go, I'm in the Rin fan camp. I really enjoy her voice actors performance enhancing her class act personality and her exterior is rather eye pleasing as well.
Saber doesn't follow far behind. Her earnestness and what might be described as a genuine noble spirit remind me of Lafiel from Crest of the Stars, another of my favorite characters.
As for Shirou, I like him. He's a nice guy, an idealist and tries to live conform to his convictions to the best of his abilities. I can admire that.

golthin

01-29-2006, 03:58 PM

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treatment said:

This series is still just not living up to the hype. It's just like a harem/bishoujo version/combination of Yugi-Oh and Pokemon.

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Was anyone really expecting a lot else? It's a generic shounen action show with some half-decent twists and turns from all I can see.

I think a lot of people thought it was cool to like Fate/Stay Night without knowing much about it because a) it's from Type Moon and therefore somehow super-niche-geeky to know stuff about it and b) it has decent character designs (I'm pleasantly surprised by how many blokes are in the series; I was under the impression it was going to be absolutely harem-tastic).

I'm enjoying the show quite a lot, but then I was originally determined to despise it because everyone kept going on about it so much (hype works in the opposite direction for me). There's nothing especially outstanding about it, but it's competently animated (I've been impressed with the fight sequences thus far, it's not like they're Noein quality or anything but they're fluid and dramatic) and has several quite decently written characters to offset the rather cliche osananajimi/ane-san/lolicon ones.

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Well, I must admit I didn't know ver much about the show, before I watched it, only that it was from type-moon and this seems to be the first project outside the Tsukihime universe for them.
Regardless, so far I have enjoyed the show and I hope it gets better.

DiGiKerot

01-29-2006, 04:02 PM

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golthin said:
Well, I must admit I didn't know ver much about the show, before I watched it, only that it was from type-moon and this seems to be the first project outside the Tsukihime universe for them.
Regardless, so far I have enjoyed the show and I hope it gets better.

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I'll just mention that, whilst it may not be particularly obvious from anime Tsukihime, Fate/Stay Night is set in the Tsukihime universe.

golthin

01-29-2006, 04:02 PM

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guyver83 said:
So far all I've seen is a little boy who is a wussy and tries to be all good when he tries to save his servant but ends up.. "dead"...again, however he lives again. I mean how many more times will he die and come back?

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At the rate he keeps being killed, Rin will run out of jewels before the show is over.

golthin

01-29-2006, 04:10 PM

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golthin said:
Well, I must admit I didn't know ver much about the show, before I watched it, only that it was from type-moon and this seems to be the first project outside the Tsukihime universe for them.
Regardless, so far I have enjoyed the show and I hope it gets better.

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I'll just mention that, whilst it may not be particularly obvious from anime Tsukihime, Fate/Stay Night is set in the Tsukihime universe.

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Like I said, I don't know much about the show universe, so I thought maybe it was set on another universe. When I meant universe, I was refering to having the tsukihime characters do cameos, that would be the only apparent way for the viewer to know so. It is like you know for sure that Mezzo forte is in the same universe as Kite, because Sawa makes a cameo appearance.

Suwako Moriya

01-29-2006, 04:21 PM

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If that involves spending time building the characters and their relationships before having the proverbial shit hit the proverbial fan, well, good.

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Personally I prefer it that way. Maybe I'm insane, but to me it's better for the cast to become familiar first. Ie it's boring watching tragedy, epic drama, and whatever happen to random strangers.

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Ilya's one demented Loli though. Whew...

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Heh maybe that's why she has Beserker. I mean after all a violent strong man with a demented Loli. *Flips Coin* Heads I'm fond of her, Tails I'm scared of her. Err yeah.

Lego

01-30-2006, 12:34 AM

If I can remember way, way, way back to the original Fate/Stay Night manga spin offs, I think there was a joke/scene where Shirou is walking by a bookstore and spots a magazine that has Arc in a bathing suit on it. I guess thats what she was doing when she got some money being a model. I think Shirou remarks that the lady looks "familiar".

redxxii

01-30-2006, 04:02 PM

So far, definately so good. I just saw episode 4 last night and I really enjoyed it. Good action and a great fight scene between Saber and Berserker, then some nice interactions between Rin, Sakura, Shirou, and Saber. I'm really looking forward to the next episode so we can start getting into the meat of the story.

golthin

01-30-2006, 04:13 PM

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Lego said:
If I can remember way, way, way back to the original Fate/Stay Night manga spin offs, I think there was a joke/scene where Shirou is walking by a bookstore and spots a magazine that has Arc in a bathing suit on it. I guess thats what she was doing when she got some money being a model. I think Shirou remarks that the lady looks "familiar". 

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Like I said, until they show a cameo like that in the anime, those who don't follow the manga or game will not know it is the Tsukihime universe.

Lego

01-31-2006, 01:47 AM

Yeh, I see your point. Well who knows what the Studio Deen and Type Moon guys will throw in. Hell they had a Vampire Hunter D poster in Tsukihime at a movie theater /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Lego

02-03-2006, 05:58 PM

Well, episode 5 has aired. The comedy bit between Fuji and Saber is great. Fuji is one of my favorite characters in the show so far. 

It seems like Sakura is getting more and more assertive when it comes to Shirou.

Looks like my favorite lady makes a apperance at the end of the episode. Thats right, it's Rider /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif.

golthin

02-04-2006, 10:44 PM

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Lego said:
Well, episode 5 has aired. The comedy bit between Fuji and Saber is great. Fuji is one of my favorite characters in the show so far. 

It seems like Sakura is getting more and more assertive when it comes to Shirou.

Looks like my favorite lady makes a apperance at the end of the episode. Thats right, it's Rider /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif.

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I agree with you that Fuji is awsome! Now, I am getting fed up with Shirou stupidity. There is a big difference between being brave and being a moron. I really wish he would die but then baby saber would disappear. We are kind of stuck with the "hero" that have only one saving quality and it is SO annoying. If you give courage to a hero, give him a little bit of common sense.

treatment

02-05-2006, 05:09 AM

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Lego said:
Well, episode 5 has aired. The comedy bit between Fuji and Saber is great. Fuji is one of my favorite characters in the show so far. 

It seems like Sakura is getting more and more assertive when it comes to Shirou.

Looks like my favorite lady makes a apperance at the end of the episode. Thats right, it's Rider /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif.

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I agree with you that Fuji is awsome! Now, I am getting fed up with Shirou stupidity. There is a big difference between being brave and being a moron. I really wish he would die but then baby saber would disappear. We are kind of stuck with the "hero" that have only one saving quality and it is SO annoying. If you give courage to a hero, give him a little bit of common sense.

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This was another slow ep. Until the final moments of it, anyway. Nice yukatas.

First off, regarding Sakura, I don't think she's being assertive with Shirou. She was just as confused as Fuji when Shirou introduced Saber to them. After the awkwardness, everyone's kewl with each other. Fuji's really trying, but the routine itself was just too bland to earn more than a slight chuckle from me.

As far Shirou, I think he's just still in self-denial about the whole stuff. Especially with Rin and when Rin confronted him. Btw, Rin is still hot in her regular and school clothing, despite the other girls wearing yukatas.

The preview seems to hold promise, but I'm still not gonna get my hopes up again. This series has great characters with great vocals and the premise is interesting enough to still follow. Yet somehow, it's just not adding up even with all those factors. I think the director's being too cautious to rock the boat on this series, so to speak. Rin's jump-reaction was a hint that this series could be better than the formula the production seems to be strictly following. I'm hoping the upcoming english-version kicks it up two to five notches above than what the japanese-version is currently doing with it.

Lego

02-05-2006, 01:14 PM

Hmm. Lets get it all out in the open. This isn't really a spoiler, since most people can see it coming a mile away. Sakura makes Shirou meals and etc, she comes to his house. It's obvious that Sakura likes Shirou. You can see her reaction to Rin and Saber. So I'm expecting a episode or two(it's a 24 episode show) to deal with the romantic aspect.

I like how the show is coming along though. While I can see what you mean about it being "stale" at times. I like the interaction between Fuji and the others. I personally think the show will get better now that Rider is going to show up.

Lego

02-10-2006, 05:23 PM

Episode 6 has aired, and it introduces my favorite character in Fate, Rider . Besides the introduction of the said character(which is neat), you have a run of the mill episode where Rin has to save Shirou again.

golthin

02-10-2006, 05:30 PM

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you have a run of the mill episode where Rin has to save Shirou again.

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Again? Jeez! How many times does she have to save that guy?

Lego

02-10-2006, 05:32 PM

Least he didn't die in this episode heh. It was good to see Rider though. I'm getting a little annoyed with Rin saving the day every episode. It should be interesting to see which ending the anime picks.

treatment

02-10-2006, 06:29 PM

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Lego said:
you have a run of the mill episode where Rin has to save Shirou again.

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Again? Jeez! How many times does she have to save that guy?

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ahahahaha!!!

Well, then, the question becomes...

was Rin hotter this time or was she the same as in the other eps?

golthin

02-10-2006, 07:34 PM

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treatment said:
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Lego said:
you have a run of the mill episode where Rin has to save Shirou again.

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Again? Jeez! How many times does she have to save that guy?

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ahahahaha!!!

Well, then, the question becomes...

was Rin hotter this time or was she the same as in the other eps?

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Well actually this time Shirou saved Rin earlier in the episode, so it is not that bad. I checked the website about fate night and the three different scenarios the game has.

I fear they are planning to use the Fate scenario, though I hope they use the Unlimited Blade Works scenario or the heaven's feel scenario. The idea of Rin and shirou getting it on is appealing, even though In the fate scenario Saber goes back to her own time. Though by what I have watched so far I am pretty sure they are using the Fate scenario. /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

They could also do like they did with Tsukihime, combine elements of the three scenarios and the two available ends.
It seems like the Fate scenario has only one end unlike the other two. I am more excited now that I know more about the game.

Is this planned for 26 episodes?

mellowrg2

02-10-2006, 11:09 PM

All 3 stories have the same final conclusion, IMO.

golthin

02-10-2006, 11:36 PM

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Mellow RG_ said:
All 3 stories have the same final conclusion, IMO.

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Are you sure?
Fate Saber goes back to her life and abandon her desire to re live her lifeSad SAD

Unlimited Blade works Rin and Saber stay with Shirou [Romance comedy type end] or Rin and Shirou go together to a Sorcerers school 

Heavens Feel Rider stayed with Shirou and Sakura or Shirou dies after destroying the Grail.

These ends are according to the website, I have not played the game, so feel free to correct me if the website is giving incorrect information.

treatment

02-11-2006, 11:38 PM

Ok. Watched ep6 and it's a little better than the early episodes, even tho too much dialogue again. Gawd! They need more damn animation! This series is just so ripe for MST3K'ing and that might even make it alot more interesting.

Rider's vocals was impressive, even tho Rider's design was sorta meh. Turns out it's Yuu Asakawa. Nice.

Rin and Shirou really makes a cute couple. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

You know, Geneon should license Depeche Mode's Master and Servant song for this series to add the much-needed oomph in the music side. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif /images/graemlins/relief1.gif

The preview for ep7 was interesting in that it'll be some sort of harem-girls confrontation. Should be funny. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

Gatts

02-11-2006, 11:49 PM

To all of the people complaining about how much dialog there is in the series, did you ever play the game before? For someone who has played the game, it seems like a really strange thing to complain about.

treatment

02-11-2006, 11:54 PM

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Gatts said:
To all of the people complaining about how much dialog there is in the series, did you ever play the game before? For someone who has played the game, it seems like a really strange thing to complain about.

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I've never played the game at all. I don't have a problem with dialogue if it's structured and handled in an anime like Air or KimiNozo.

Lego

02-11-2006, 11:54 PM

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Gatts said:
To all of the people complaining about how much dialog there is in the series, did you ever play the game before? For someone who has played the game, it seems like a really strange thing to complain about.

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Yeh heh. The same with Tsukihime. I'm fine with dialouge. I don't think I was complaining about the dialouge though(might be mistaken). I get the feeling that some people feel/thought that the show was going to be action every second.

You have to realize that Tsukihime and Fate are both based off novel games. Tsukihime had something like 15,000 + pages of text(prob more, I lost count).

golthin

02-12-2006, 12:48 AM

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To all of the people complaining about how much dialog there is in the series, did you ever play the game before? For someone who has played the game, it seems like a really strange thing to complain about.

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I agree! I have not play this game in particular, but I understand that being based on a game made by the same company that made Tsukihime. The game being a text intensive game, all the dialogue is necessary. If you hate dialogue, you might need to skip this show. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

mellowrg2

02-12-2006, 02:19 AM

Re:goltin

Of course, I'm sure. Would I write something I'm not sure about? But maybe I should have put an emphasis on the world FINAL conclusion.

And, by the way, you need to be more vague.

LEMON parts with Shirou in one way or another. Period. No but, whats of ifs. Good bye, LEMON. Adios. Ciao. Sayonara, Bon Voyage... but not before making an impression on Shirou which furthers his understanding on what justice really means.

Then we need to solve a few loop holes. Shirou becomes an apprentice mage under APPLE, becuase you know, how do you think GRAPE came to be without his great mentor?

Then two years later he partners with some crazy blonde, but that's another story

golthin

02-12-2006, 02:49 AM

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Mellow RG_ said:
Re:goltin

Of course, I'm sure. Would I write something I'm not sure about? But maybe I should have put an emphasis on the world FINAL conclusion.

And, by the way, you need to be more vague.

LEMON parts with Shirou in one way or another. Period. No but, whats of ifs. Good bye, LEMON. Adios. Ciao. Sayonara, Bon Voyage... but not before making an impression on Shirou which furthers his understanding on what justice really means.

Then we need to solve a few loop holes. Shirou becomes an apprentice mage under APPLE, becuase you know, how do you think GRAPE came to be without his great mentor?

Then two years later he partners with some crazy blonde, but that's another story

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More vague? /images/graemlins/icon_rolleyes.gif /images/graemlins/icon_rolleyes.gif that is what freaking spoiler tags are for. If someone doesn't want something spoiled they should not read what is blanked.

It seems to me that this game has Multiple paths with each path having two ends with the exeption of the Fate path. Are you talking about the Fate path in particular? it seems to me that is what you are talking about.

mellowrg2

02-12-2006, 04:57 AM

@goltin

I have sent you a private message.

Fencedude

02-12-2006, 07:48 AM

Citizen Klaus

02-12-2006, 08:44 AM

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treatment said:
Ok. Watched ep6 and it's a little better than the early episodes, even tho too much dialogue again. Gawd! They need more damn animation! This series is just so ripe for MST3K'ing and that might even make it alot more interesting.

Rider's vocals was impressive, even tho Rider's design was sorta meh. Turns out it's Yuu Asakawa. Nice.

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Funny, I've just been rewatching Bubblegum Crisis Tokyo 2040. After hearing Asagawa as Priss again, she really does seem like a natural choice to play Rider.

Jadawin

02-12-2006, 09:24 PM

Just finished playing the demo/prologue and I am really impressed. First the demo took me way longer to finish than I expected. Its very long! Then it deals with Rin Tohsaka instead of Shiro. Well so I guess that means that you can choose at some point whom you want as a main character. So you either play as Rin or as Shiro? Really nice to see the events of the first eps. from Rins point of view. /images/graemlins/happy.gif
 And its interesting to see that she and Archer had some issues at the start which they "sorted out" with the help of the command mantra. But d'oh she already used two of her command spells! /images/graemlins/sad.gif
Too bad that I wont be able to ever play/understand the full game.

Citizen Klaus

02-13-2006, 09:40 AM

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Well so I guess that means that you can choose at some point whom you want as a main character. So you either play as Rin or as Shiro?

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Not quite. There are three main story paths in Fate; two of them star Shiro as the main character, and the other stars Rin. I believe that Rin is also the prologue character for all three.

treatment

02-18-2006, 03:44 AM

Much better pacing and stuff in this ep. Dialogue-scenes are better handled this time, with damn more character-movements this time.

First half is pretty much the refreshingly funny harem-setup of Shiro being cornered by Sakura, Rin, and Saber. Sakura can't seem to stand the competition. Especially from Rin.

Second half went into some semi-serious mode, with Rin and Shiro spending time together and talking about what's been happening lately. Especially Rider's appearance, which only Shiro seems to have an idea of who the master is for this latest servant. The ending confirmed Shiro's speculation of who it is, with the next ep's confrontation-previews revealed.

ep-8 seems to be more harem stuff, as well as the aforementioned confrontation-preview.

Yeah, btw. Rin and Shiro, man. Nice pairing. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

Lego

02-18-2006, 04:41 AM

Heh, even though I've been through the game once, it's still fun to see the scenes animated. I'm likeing the tension, if you want to call it that between Rin and Sakura. She doesn't seem to view Saber as a threat though.

golthin

02-18-2006, 09:03 AM

Wow! Shiro is a dumb ass. Every episode he keeps doing more stupid things. I don't mind a character doing stupid thing when they have the skills or strength to back it.
The only reason Saber didn't come with him that day was because Rin assured saber he was going to be ok with her. Rin tells him to go home, and the dumb ass go back in the school alone, knowing he is worthless. /images/graemlins/icon_rolleyes.gif

Dagger

02-18-2006, 07:35 PM

Though little happened, I rather liked this episode, because a) there was lots and lots of Rin goodness, and b) Shirou did nothing especially outrageous. It would be nice to see a bit of fighting next time, though...

moyism

02-19-2006, 02:36 AM

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Though little happened, I rather liked this episode, because a) there was lots and lots of Rin goodness, and b) Shirou did nothing especially outrageous. It would be nice to see a bit of fighting next time, though...

[/ QUOTE ]For some reason, Rin looked A LOT hotter than normal in this episode.

Not like I'm complaining or anything, but seems like she may be the animators' favorite character /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Lego

02-19-2006, 04:29 AM

They could be hinting at with of the games story lines they'll follow. I'm hopeing for a decent ending like Tsukihime(which was a combined ending).

mellowrg2

02-20-2006, 11:56 AM

Tsukihime didn't have a combined ending. It followed Arcueid'story quite closely. The other endings are just as melodramatic as Mai Hime. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

golthin

02-20-2006, 07:11 PM

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Tsukihime didn't have a combined ending. It followed Arcueid'story quite closely. The other endings are just as melodramatic as Mai Hime. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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It had a combined ending. There were two endings in the Tsukihime game. In the true end, she dies and comes back to live and and then leaves to go sleep because she know is berserk from drinking the blood. Shiki doesn't know she is alive. On the other which is the good end, she comes back to live and the next day she is waiting for Shiki at the park to go on a date, this is the good and happy ending.

In the anime she dies and comes back to live, She tells Shiki she is alive but must go sleep. They changed the True ending by the fact that Shiki know she is alive, but still they separate and don't stay together. That it is how they combined them.

Lego

02-20-2006, 07:14 PM

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Tsukihime didn't have a combined ending. It followed Arcueid'story quite closely. The other endings are just as melodramatic as Mai Hime. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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True, in the game though, no matter what scenario you played, poor Satsuki died anyway.

Citizen Klaus

02-20-2006, 09:29 PM

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Tsukihime didn't have a combined ending. It followed Arcueid'story quite closely. The other endings are just as melodramatic as Mai Hime. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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True, in the game though, no matter what scenario you played, poor Satsuki died anyway.

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Shame, too. She never had her chance at happiness... /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

Lego

02-20-2006, 09:31 PM

Yeh, I was expecting that if she didn't die in the series, that she would end up with Shiki. But alas she runs away crying.

mellowrg2

02-20-2006, 10:57 PM

@goltin. I'm sorry but you're wrong. That's what exactly happens in the game too.

Her apirition comes to Shiki during sunset and tells him goodbye.

@others

Satsuki's just the tip of the iceberg. Try Hisui's ending. Only Hisui is left. Bloody awesome. And no reset ending either.

Lego

02-20-2006, 11:03 PM

Yeh, the game spells it out more when it comes to the characters. Both the game and anime are enjoying. But to switch the topic back to Fate...

I'm looking forward to seeing Sakura getting control of Rider from her brother

Fencedude

02-20-2006, 11:07 PM

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Yeh, the game spells it out more when it comes to the characters. Both the game and anime are enjoying. But to switch the topic back to Fate...

I'm looking forward to seeing Sakura getting control of Rider from her brother 

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*kicks himself*

Ok. Why exactly did I read that?

Stupid stupid stupid

golthin

02-21-2006, 12:14 AM

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@goltin. I'm sorry but you're wrong. That's what exactly happens in the game too.

Her apirition comes to Shiki during sunset and tells him goodbye.

@others

Satsuki's just the tip of the iceberg. Try Hisui's ending. Only Hisui is left. Bloody awesome. And no reset ending either.

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Ok, If you played the game Ill take your word for it!
I was just going by what a website had about how the two endings went. I have not played the game, so I can't argue against someone who has played the game.

mellowrg2

02-21-2006, 12:59 AM

That's the danger of reading a synopses. There is a large probability of you misunderstanding the context.

golthin

02-21-2006, 01:41 AM

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That's the danger of reading a synopses. There is a large probability of you misunderstanding the context.

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There was not missunderstanding, it is clearly explained as I put it. The information on the website is wrong.

Maybe you are missunderstanding me. lets make it clear.

Arcuid path, According to the website.

good and happy ending: Arcuid appears to Shiki
and they go on a date.

True ending: ARcuid goes to sleep and never reveals to Shiki that she is alive.

In the anime Shiki does know she is alive.

I am not arguing if you say that in the game true ending
Shiki knows she is alive, thus the website has the true ending wrong.

mellowrg2

02-21-2006, 02:14 AM

Is that a Chinese site? or Wikipedia perhaps?

Regardless, I have no idea what was written there or how you interpreted it, but the anime ended exactly like the game.

Sunset
Classroom
Arcueid appears
Says good bye
Fades away

Lego

02-21-2006, 02:21 AM

Ah, sorry about that Fence. I didn't mean to spoil it for ya. I mentioned that it was from Fate and put it in spoiler tags, so I dunno.

Fencedude

02-21-2006, 02:23 AM

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Ah, sorry about that Fence. I didn't mean to spoil it for ya. I mentioned that it was from Fate and put it in spoiler tags, so I dunno.

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Nah, don't worry about it. It was all my fault.

And not like I haven't been spoiled on all sorts of things about this series.

treatment

03-02-2006, 06:32 PM

nobody has updated this, so here goes the summary.

Rin's much hotter in this ep. That's it. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

ok, ok.

Shinji revealed himself as Rider's master and some background history on how he is one. He's proposing an alliance with Shiro, but at the price of Shiro breaking his unofficial alliance with Rin. Shiro balked at the offer, but will think about it more. Shinji and Rider further revealed that there are two more masters in their area: one in the school and one over a temple.

All these were discussed with Rin afterwards. Saber and Rin were very concerned about it and Saber wants to act right away. But Shiro puts his foot down with what Saber can and cannot do.

And Rin was hot. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

Anyway, Rin suddenly took up temporary residence at Shiro-mansion. This development quite visibly upset Sakura, but Sakura proved she ain't a push-over. Comedy-routine with the what'shername-teacher ensues as she's also upset that both Saber and Rin are now co-habitating with Shiro.

Rin's hot. Rider's not too shabby, either.

The new unknown master and servant were shown at the end of the ep.

Preview of ep-9 reveals a couple of assaults to the temple. Looks like a good battle-ep, but who knows for sure. This is F/SN anime, afterall.

Did I to fail to mention Rin was hot? with the apron? /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

golthin

03-02-2006, 07:36 PM

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treatment said:
nobody has updated this, so here goes the summary.

Rin's much hotter in this ep. That's it. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

ok, ok.

Shinji revealed himself as Rider's master and some background history on how he is one. He's proposing an alliance with Shiro, but at the price of Shiro breaking his unofficial alliance with Rin. Shiro balked at the offer, but will think about it more. Shinji and Rider further revealed that there are two more masters in their area: one in the school and one over a temple.

All these were discussed with Rin afterwards. Saber and Rin were very concerned about it and Saber wants to act right away. But Shiro puts his foot down with what Saber can and cannot do.

And Rin was hot. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

Anyway, Rin suddenly took up temporary residence at Shiro-mansion. This development quite visibly upset Sakura, but Sakura proved she ain't a push-over. Comedy-routine with the what'shername-teacher ensues as she's also upset that both Saber and Rin are now co-habitating with Shiro.

Rin's hot. Rider's not too shabby, either.

The new unknown master and servant were shown at the end of the ep.

Preview of ep-9 reveals a couple of assaults to the temple. Looks like a good battle-ep, but who knows for sure. This is F/SN anime, afterall.

Did I to fail to mention Rin was hot? with the apron? /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

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You forgot to mention the nice shot at rider ass during the preview! /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif

Lego

03-03-2006, 01:11 AM

Heh, Rider wears a short black dress, so shots like that aren't uncommon heh. Rider is my favorite character in the game and in the show. I hope we get to see her as we do with Archer and Saber, just doing things in every day life and dressed normally like in the game.

Gatts

03-03-2006, 03:08 AM

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Comedy-routine with the what'shername-teacher ensues as she's also upset that both Saber and Rin are now co-habitating with Shiro.

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Taiga Fujimura or Fuji-nee

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The new unknown master and servant were shown at the end of the ep.

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Hmm... if they are at the temple that would be Caster and Assassin. Since it's way to early for the ending of the series, that effectivly rules out Unlimited Blade Works (although I'm sure they will work as much of that into the story as they can).

Lego

03-04-2006, 01:46 AM

Episode 9 aired, and wow was it a good episode. You basically had Rider and Saber doing battle with Caster and Assassin. A good action episode, and I got some nice shots of Rider in this episode.

Dagger

03-04-2006, 07:14 PM

I should have loved this episode, but the last few scenes drove me crazy. Just when I was starting to develop a greater tolerance for Shirou...

I swear, if he really does end up being the one doing the main fighting for his team, I'm not going to be able to keep watching this. With so many cool female and male characters in the show, why did he have to be the lead? /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

golthin

03-04-2006, 08:52 PM

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Dagger said:
I should have loved this episode, but the last few scenes drove me crazy. Just when I was starting to develop a greater tolerance for Shirou...

I swear, if he really does end up being the one doing the main fighting for his team, I'm not going to be able to keep watching this. With so many cool female and male characters in the show, why did he have to be the lead? /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

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Because that is the was it was laid out in the game /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Reinhardt

03-04-2006, 10:17 PM

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Dagger said:
I should have loved this episode, but the last few scenes drove me crazy. Just when I was starting to develop a greater tolerance for Shirou...

I swear, if he really does end up being the one doing the main fighting for his team, I'm not going to be able to keep watching this. With so many cool female and male characters in the show, why did he have to be the lead? /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

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Because that is the was it was laid out in the game /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Was Shirou such a fricking prick in the game? "Oh I am a man, I must do all fighting!!!" Really, I can't stand Shirou - he is one of the most clueless anime characters ever. How is it better for him to fight for his servant when he has absolutely 0 skill, and if he dies then Saber can end up poofing or serving under a cruel master. It would be one thing if he was skilled at magic/sword fighting, but all he can do is get in the way and put others in danger when they have to rescue his stupid butt.

I am about to give up on this show. I was going to blind-buy this on DVD due to all the hype - I'm glad I took a look at it first so I know to avoid it. Shirou just ruins a perfectly good show.

Dagger

03-04-2006, 10:27 PM

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Reinhardt said:
Was Shirou such a fricking prick in the game? "Oh I am a man, I must do all fighting!!!" Really, I can't stand Shirou - he is one of the most clueless anime characters ever. How is it better for him to fight for his servant when he has absolutely 0 skill, and if he dies then Saber can end up poofing or serving under a cruel master. It would be one thing if he was skilled at magic/sword fighting, but all he can do is get in the way and put others in danger when they have to rescue his stupid butt.

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Seriously! The thing that just astonishes me is how he's presented as this considerate, caring guy who puts himself before everyone else... but the truth is, he's trampling all over Saber's dignity and feelings--and he's supposed to be the one Master who treats his Servant like a human being instead of a tool! He doesn't so much as pause to consider her point of view. Sure, he can yammer on about not wanting her to fight and get hurt. Yet how can he not realize that maybe, just maybe, she might not want him to get hurt or throw away his life stupidly, either?

There are many aspects of Fate/stay night I enjoy; heck, even the harem aspects are weirdly amusing and enjoyable. But boy, does Shirou frustrate me.

golthin

03-04-2006, 10:31 PM

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Dagger said:
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Reinhardt said:
Was Shirou such a fricking prick in the game? "Oh I am a man, I must do all fighting!!!" Really, I can't stand Shirou - he is one of the most clueless anime characters ever. How is it better for him to fight for his servant when he has absolutely 0 skill, and if he dies then Saber can end up poofing or serving under a cruel master. It would be one thing if he was skilled at magic/sword fighting, but all he can do is get in the way and put others in danger when they have to rescue his stupid butt.

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Seriously! The thing that just astonishes me is how he's presented as this considerate, caring guy who puts himself before everyone else... but the truth is, he's trampling all over Saber's dignity and feelings--and he's supposed to be the one Master who treats his Servant like a human being instead of a tool! He doesn't so much as pause to consider her point of view. Sure, he can yammer on about not wanting her to fight and get hurt. Yet how can he not realize that maybe, just maybe, she might not want him to get hurt or throw away his life stupidly, either?

There are many aspects of Fate/stay night I enjoy; heck, even the harem aspects are weirdly amusing and enjoyable. But boy, does Shirou frustrate me.

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I agree! I pity poor Saber! She really got a bad deal.

Suwako Moriya

03-04-2006, 10:43 PM

Note before I say anything, I have only seen up to episode 08. I'm not in the mood to watch episode 9 right now. Heck I just watched episode 8 recently. However I must say something about Shirou. In some ways I can understand him. He wasn't exactly bred for this. Plus some of the stuff he does makes sense. Such as not wanting to rush into battle.

That being said, I'm starting to get annoyed by him. I swear it's like he's an over protective lad who wants to be the center of attention. Plus because of him, I barely get to see Saber in action. Yes I'm blaming him even if there is no logical reason to. So in short my feelings about Shirou as a character are mixed right now.

Gatts

03-05-2006, 12:08 AM

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golthin said:
I agree! I pity poor Saber! She really got a bad deal.

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That's what Rin would say. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

About Shirou, yes he is overprotective in the game as well. Actually it's a required part of his character in order for him to become what he will become. He does become a much better person through his being overprotective and the anime so far is pointing towards explaining that part so I'm not going to spoil it.

However, if you are so annoyed by him that you wish to stop watching, by all means, don't force yourself.

treatment

03-05-2006, 01:04 AM

Well, the battles in this ep was ok, tho the Caster vs Rider was a bit better than Assasin vs Saber. Assasin was kewl and badass, being unimpressed with Saber's power and all. It was weird why they won't draw Saber's sword until pretty much at the end, which they still didn't fully generated. Would've been more eye-candy seeing her wield it against her opponent.

Also, I dunno why they keep drawing and posing Rider in her basic attack-mode pose. It was already a tired lame pose after her intro-ep. I like them to draw her poses better and different since her basic pose can have alot of awesome variation, instead of repeating that one generic pose.

And once again, Rin was hawt! /images/graemlins/cool.gif

Oh, yeah. Am I the only non-gamer that don't mind Shiro at all? I don't quite understand the hate, especially in this ep. Oh, well.

Oh, and Rin's hawt. Just remember that. They really should vary Rider's poses to make her as hawt as Rin. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif /images/graemlins/cool.gif

Next ep's preview is a promising and entertaining harem-episode again. /images/graemlins/devil.gif With Ilya, too. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif Of course, there's that chatty-bitch servant of Rin again, so I expect yet-another-dose of boring drivel from him. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

Sly05

03-05-2006, 01:28 AM

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Dagger said:
I swear, if he really does end up being the one doing the main fighting for his team, I'm not going to be able to keep watching this. With so many cool female and male characters in the show, why did he have to be the lead? /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

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Pretty much my sentiments as well. Shirou's just so half-assed and preachy about the whole affair that its grating. He died twice in the first four episodes, I don't think he has any right to say anything like that to Saber. The series would be so much better if Archer and Rin were the main characters instead.

Gatts

03-05-2006, 01:32 AM

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treatment said:
It was weird why they won't draw Saber's sword until pretty much at the end, which they still didn't fully generated. Would've been more eye-candy seeing her wield it against her opponent.

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It's not that the animation team isn't drawing Saber's sword. It's that she's keeping her weapon hidden. You've seen how Rider and Lancer can make their weapons appear at will right? Well, they don't have to have the weapon appear in order for it to materialize. They can use it while it's invisible.

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treatment said:
Oh, yeah. Am I the only non-gamer that don't mind Shiro at all? I don't quite understand the hate, especially in this ep. Oh, well.
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Of course, there's that chatty-bitch servant of Rin again, so I expect yet-another-dose of boring drivel from him. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

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Heh, are you referring to Archer? If so, you like Shiro and dislike Archer? /images/graemlins/happy.gif

treatment

03-05-2006, 02:39 AM

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treatment said:
It was weird why they won't draw Saber's sword until pretty much at the end, which they still didn't fully generated. Would've been more eye-candy seeing her wield it against her opponent.

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It's not that the animation team isn't drawing Saber's sword. It's that she's keeping her weapon hidden. You've seen how Rider and Lancer can make their weapons appear at will right? Well, they don't have to have the weapon appear in order for it to materialize. They can use it while it's invisible.

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I understand the concept of it being invisible. I just still can't accept it as a justification for not drawing it. Especially in battle. It just smacks of shortcutting. In this ep, you got Assasin with his weapon and then you got Saber with her hands clasped together. WTF was that visual about if we can't see what she's using to match her opponent? They really should just draw her weapon visibly to have the best visual-effect of the interesting fight.

Otherwise, it just looks like Saber's doing a kancho-attack on him. /images/graemlins/relief.gif /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

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treatment said:
Oh, yeah. Am I the only non-gamer that don't mind Shiro at all? I don't quite understand the hate, especially in this ep. Oh, well.
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Of course, there's that chatty-bitch servant of Rin again, so I expect yet-another-dose of boring drivel from him. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

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Heh, are you referring to Archer? If so, you like Shiro and dislike Archer? /images/graemlins/happy.gif

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I can accept Shiro being chatty since it makes sense for him to be bewildered by what's going on. He's a noob, for all practical purposes.

Whereas Archer, he's just chatty and boring in his monologue/dialogue-deliveries. He doesn't even have a good costume/clothing. Assasin was chatty, but he's got good presence and a badass stance to back up his talk, and his vocal-delivery was really good.

Lego

03-05-2006, 06:51 AM

Hmm, Rider is my favorite Fate character, so I wouldn't mind seeing different poses /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif. Shirou doesn't bother me THAT much. I mean while he may get chatty, become a pain in the ass, he gets killed now and then, so we get our revenge heh.

Fencedude

03-05-2006, 07:55 AM

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treatment said:

I understand the concept of it being invisible. I just still can't accept it as a justification for not drawing it. Especially in battle. It just smacks of shortcutting. In this ep, you got Assasin with his weapon and then you got Saber with her hands clasped together. WTF was that visual about if we can't see what she's using to match her opponent? They really should just draw her weapon visibly to have the best visual-effect of the interesting fight.

Otherwise, it just looks like Saber's doing a kancho-attack on him. /images/graemlins/relief.gif /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

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I'm not getting your point.

They aren't drawing it because...ITS INVISIBLE!

I mean...what more is there to say?

treatment

03-05-2006, 11:53 AM

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Fencedude said:
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treatment said:

I understand the concept of it being invisible. I just still can't accept it as a justification for not drawing it. Especially in battle. It just smacks of shortcutting. In this ep, you got Assasin with his weapon and then you got Saber with her hands clasped together. WTF was that visual about if we can't see what she's using to match her opponent? They really should just draw her weapon visibly to have the best visual-effect of the interesting fight.

Otherwise, it just looks like Saber's doing a kancho-attack on him. /images/graemlins/relief.gif /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

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I'm not getting your point.

They aren't drawing it because...ITS INVISIBLE!

I mean...what more is there to say?

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The intro/ed-animation shows Saber with a visible weapon. Unless there's a plot-significance for it to finally materialize, I prefer to see that weapon visible for use in battle.

Until then, I'll call it Saber's kancho-attack until they draw her weapon.

DiGiKerot

03-05-2006, 12:37 PM

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treatment said:
The intro/ed-animation shows Saber with a visible weapon. Unless there's a plot-significance for it to finally materialize, I prefer to see that weapon visible for use in battle.

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If Sabers weapon was visible, her opponents would recognise it and would be able to figure out who she was. By keeping it invisible, she is maintaining an advantage.

treatment

03-05-2006, 01:04 PM

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treatment said:
The intro/ed-animation shows Saber with a visible weapon. Unless there's a plot-significance for it to finally materialize, I prefer to see that weapon visible for use in battle.

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If Sabers weapon was visible, her opponents would recognise it and would be able to figure out who she was. By keeping it invisible, she is maintaining an advantage.

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That advantage only worked in the first fight. Even then, she was the one who got surprised and tagged. In the second fight, it didn't matter at all and she was gonna pull a Shiro until Shiro did it himself. In the last fight, Assasin didn't care about it, was not impressed by it and was deliberately taking it easy on her. Then when he got serious, we see Saber flying out awkwardly coz of his one blow.

So in conclusion, it being invisible is not an advantage anymore after the first fight.

DiGiKerot

03-05-2006, 01:28 PM

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That advantage only worked in the first fight.

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I'm not sure I get your logic here - Everyone knows she is Saber, but how many members of the cast know Sabers true name? None? Keeping it that way is advantagous, and Saber is keeping that way, knowing that any of her opponents would probably recognise the sword immediately. If she can fight whist keeping the weapon invisible, I don't see why she shouldn't. The likes of Archer whose weapons are considerably less famous don't really need to care about it.

Whether you agree or not, thats exactly the reason she keeps it hidden.

treatment

03-05-2006, 01:38 PM

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treatment said:
That advantage only worked in the first fight.

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I'm not sure I get your logic here - Everyone knows she is Saber, but how many members of the cast know Sabers true name? None? Keeping it that way is advantagous, and Saber is keeping that way, knowing that any of her opponents would probably recognise the sword immediately. If she can fight whist keeping the weapon invisible, I don't see why she shouldn't. The likes of Archer whose weapons are considerably less famous don't really need to care about it.

Whether you agree or not, thats exactly the reason she keeps it hidden.

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I dunno. I don't play the game and I'm only following what's happening in the anime.

Your reasoning for the weapon-invisibility fails because of what happened in the second fight and what was gonna happen in the third fight. After the first fight, the invisibility had lessened it's advantage for Saber. Maybe it'll be an advantage for Shiro later. That's how I'm seeing it now.

And fwiw, Archer and Lancer were clearly second-rate foes compared to Saber's last two opponents. At least in the anime. Dunno how they fare in the game-version.

DiGiKerot

03-05-2006, 01:50 PM

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Your reasoning for the weapon-invisibility fails because of what happened in the second fight and what was gonna happen in the third fight.

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Hmmm, I'm not sure it does. By keeping her weapon invisible, thus keeping her true name a secret, it reduces the chance of her opponent figuring out what her other weapons or techniques ("Noble Phantasms" or whatever nonsense they refer to them as in F/SN), giving her the element of surprise in exactly the kind of battles she is now facing. She is just avoiding advertising what she can do, so that the first time her opponent knows about it it'll be too late for them to do anything about it. If her opponent knew who she was, they'd probably be able to anticipate what she was going to do, rendering her trump card useless.

mellowrg2

03-05-2006, 02:00 PM

Saber's sword is very famous. It will give out her identity right away.

Knowing a servant's identity means knowing

1) His or her weakness. For instance, if I were facing Samson I would go for the hair.
2) What kind of equipment she has and how to counter it.
3) His or her entire special move list.

Knowledge is power.

Plus, it's probably an allegory to the Iaijutsu philosophy that once a sword has been unsheated it loses most of its ability to kill.

Once her sword has been revealed she will not hide it again.

Rhodes

03-05-2006, 02:17 PM

ummm except in the 9th ep she was about to tell him who she was... if she's gonna do intros why keep the sword hidden.... also by seeing a sword you wont know who it is unless it has a name.

i thought it was established during the 2nd ep that the reason her sword was invis was cause her master is a weak pussy.

treatment

03-05-2006, 02:25 PM

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Mellow RG_ said:
Saber's sword is very famous. It will give out her identity right away.

Knowing a servant's identity means knowing

1) His or her weakness. For instance, if I were facing Samson I would go for the hair.
2) What kind of equipment she has and how to counter it.
3) His or her entire special move list.

Knowledge is power.

Plus, it's probably an allegory to the Iaijutsu philosophy that once a sword has been unsheated it loses most of its ability to kill.

Once her sword has been revealed she will not hide it again.

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That could be.

However, in the second fight, I don't think it mattered whether the berserker knew or not her true identity or whether he cared for it at all. His fighting-style was all brawn and brute force, unlike the other opponents of Saber. Her last opponent was more cunning and more finesse, which makes him more dangerous than the berserker.

Also, I'm not sure if this had been revealed before, but I saw a pattern in the anime regarding Shiro and Saber. It seems like Shiro's injuries from Lancer and Heracles are the same as Saber's with the same opponents. Is this significant in the game's plot?

mellowrg2

03-05-2006, 03:53 PM

The walls have ears, as this episode has shown once again.

Even though XYZ might not give a damn about her identity, there are others that do and will take advantage of that.

And even if the Servant she if facing doesn't care, the same can not be said of the Master.

And I'm not sure how you can call Assassin more dangerous. I'd say Saber has more chance of surviving Assassin than Berserker. At least she can do more than zero damage to Assassin.

Of course, this point is rather moot since Saber survived all of her battles so far by virtue of luck. She should have died three times already.

Citizen Klaus

03-05-2006, 05:06 PM

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also by seeing a sword you wont know who it is unless it has a name.

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It does have a name. Anyone who's even the least bit familiar with mythology and legend would recognize it (and thus discern Saber's true identity) in a heartbeat.

Gatts

03-05-2006, 05:39 PM

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Anyone who's even the least bit familiar with mythology and legend would recognize it (and thus discern Saber's true identity) in a heartbeat.

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Or old Disney movies, or Onimusha, or Final Fantasy, or hundreds of other RPG games. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Fencedude

03-05-2006, 05:43 PM

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Rhodes said:
ummm except in the 9th ep she was about to tell him who she was... if she's gonna do intros why keep the sword hidden.... also by seeing a sword you wont know who it is unless it has a name.

i thought it was established during the 2nd ep that the reason her sword was invis was cause her master is a weak pussy.

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The reason she was going to tell her name to Assassin is that she's an honorable person, and he gave his name first.

And after all of this, you should be able to figure out who she is...

Citizen Klaus

03-05-2006, 07:21 PM

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Anyone who's even the least bit familiar with mythology and legend would recognize it (and thus discern Saber's true identity) in a heartbeat.

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Or old Disney movies, or Onimusha, or Final Fantasy, or hundreds of other RPG games. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Or old made-for-TV movies starring Sam Neil. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Gatts

03-05-2006, 07:47 PM

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Anyone who's even the least bit familiar with mythology and legend would recognize it (and thus discern Saber's true identity) in a heartbeat.

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Or old Disney movies, or Onimusha, or Final Fantasy, or hundreds of other RPG games. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Or old made-for-TV movies starring Sam Neil. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Bah, 1998 isn't that old. The 1981 movie with Nigel Terry would be better to say "old" for (and even that isn't too old). Plus the title of that movie is more fitting for this thread. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Either that one or the 1995 one with Sean Connery, althought that one didn't focus on the sword much.

wanfu2k1

03-05-2006, 09:26 PM

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Because that is the was it was laid out in the game /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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heheh nice one /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Captain Impulse

03-05-2006, 09:40 PM

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Citizen Klaus said:
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Gatts said:
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Citizen Klaus said:
Anyone who's even the least bit familiar with mythology and legend would recognize it (and thus discern Saber's true identity) in a heartbeat.

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Or old Disney movies, or Onimusha, or Final Fantasy, or hundreds of other RPG games. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Or old made-for-TV movies starring Sam Neil. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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I'll one-up you on that...how about a circa 1992 cartoon in which football players get sent back in time to fill the roll of some M.I.A. knights? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Rhodes

03-05-2006, 11:08 PM

yes it does have a name... and i read and know it and who saber is suppose to be... problem being saber has boobies...

Gatts

03-05-2006, 11:18 PM

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problem being saber has boobies...

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Because it's anime.

(game spoiler sort of) ...and having boobies makes it easier to do a mana transfer with Shiro. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

treatment

03-05-2006, 11:43 PM

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Rhodes said:
yes it does have a name... and i read and know it and who saber is suppose to be... problem being saber has boobies...

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Chalk it up to the japanese being weird again when appropriating stuff. /images/graemlins/wink.gif /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

golthin

03-06-2006, 12:33 AM

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treatment said:
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Rhodes said:
yes it does have a name... and i read and know it and who saber is suppose to be... problem being saber has boobies...

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Chalk it up to the Japanese being weird again when appropriating stuff. /images/graemlins/wink.gif /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Leave it the Japanese! They are obsessed with Sex changes. That is why they come with things like Ranma and "futanari"

Suwako Moriya

03-06-2006, 06:17 AM

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Rhodes said:
problem being saber has boobies...

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Because it's anime.

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Besides whenever any story borrows from other sources, it tends to change several elements of the source(s) it borrows from. Of course what gets changed varies by series, but whatever.

Lego

03-06-2006, 11:12 AM

Heh, the funny thing is if you read the summary for that part of the game, it's like Shirou and Saber have a hard battle, then Rin suggests they have sex to replenish mana. 

It raises a eyebrow /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

treatment

03-06-2006, 11:27 AM

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Lego said:
Heh, the funny thing is if you read the summary for that part of the game, it's like Shirou and Saber have a hard battle, then Rin suggests they have sex to replenish mana. 

It raises a eyebrow /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Isn't that what everyone's waiting for to happen and watch even before the anime got made? /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

Lego

03-06-2006, 11:31 AM

The people that have played the game, possibly. To the people that are introduced to the Fate universe for the first time? Maybe mentally with all the females in the show. You have to remember that Tsukihime and Fate, while being novel games, did have sex scenes in them. Although if something like that happened, it would probably be towards the end of the series.

golthin

03-06-2006, 03:57 PM

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Lego said:
Heh, the funny thing is if you read the summary for that part of the game, it's like Shirou and Saber have a hard battle, then Rin suggests they have sex to replenish mana. 

It raises a eyebrow /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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I thought it was Rin and Shirou that had sex Did i misread that?

golthin

03-06-2006, 03:57 PM

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treatment said:
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Lego said:
Heh, the funny thing is if you read the summary for that part of the game, it's like Shirou and Saber have a hard battle, then Rin suggests they have sex to replenish mana. 

It raises a eyebrow /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Isn't that what everyone's waiting for to happen and watch even before the anime got made? /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

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Like they are going to show anything good! /images/graemlins/stunned0.gif

golthin

03-06-2006, 03:58 PM

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Lego said:
The people that have played the game, possibly. To the people that are introduced to the Fate universe for the first time? Maybe mentally with all the females in the show. You have to remember that Tsukihime and Fate, while being novel games, did have sex scenes in them. Although if something like that happened, it would probably be towards the end of the series.

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It might be a scene like in Tsukihime.

treatment

03-06-2006, 04:00 PM

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golthin said:
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Lego said:
Heh, the funny thing is if you read the summary for that part of the game, it's like Shirou and Saber have a hard battle, then Rin suggests they have sex to replenish mana. 

It raises a eyebrow /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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I thought it was Rin and Shirou that had sex Did i misread that?

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You thought wrong. But it would be a nice deviation, tho. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

golthin

03-06-2006, 04:07 PM

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treatment said:
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golthin said:
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Lego said:
Heh, the funny thing is if you read the summary for that part of the game, it's like Shirou and Saber have a hard battle, then Rin suggests they have sex to replenish mana. 

It raises a eyebrow /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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I thought it was Rin and Shirou that had sex Did i misread that?

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You thought wrong. But it would be a nice deviation, tho. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

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I misread that info somewhere else or it was wrong.
Who knows! I am glad it is Shirou and Saber the one that dance the horizontal mambo /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Lego

03-10-2006, 05:00 PM

Wow..

This episode looks really good, and what I hoped the series would be all the time. We get the various characters mulling about. All the main females get screen time in this episode it seems. From Shirou practicing with Saber, to Shirou getting surprised and "wine and dined" by Illya.

The Saber bath moment is in there also, and it looks hillarious. Although like any male lead, he runs away at the sight of a naked woman. I'm not sure about two things though. It seems Rin and Shirou have a altercation at the starting, and then at the end it looks like she either drugs him with something, or tells him to take it for whatever reason. The episode seems to end with Archer talking to Shirou.

I really liked this episode, going off different blogs and the 2ch thread.

treatment

03-11-2006, 07:48 PM

Maybe I'm just a Rin-fanboy, but Rin in half-awake mode was still hot. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

Oh, and the lolification in this ep was kinda kewl with Ilya, tho Shirou should be arrested for it. /images/graemlins/relief.gif

Man, they should've added more side-boob in TEH scene. Hope the dvd-version will be better and a bit longer. /images/graemlins/devil.gif /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

The ep-11 preview seems to indicate a Rider-vs-Saber battle.

Lego

03-11-2006, 09:30 PM

Yeh. I always like moments in a show(not just Fate) where you get to see the characters kind of "off the job". Where like Rin in this episode, she is kinda grogy and not fully awake. I like Rin more with her hair down though, heh.

golthin

03-11-2006, 09:32 PM

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treatment said:
Oh, and the lolification in this ep was kinda kewl with Ilya, tho Shirou should be arrested for it. /images/graemlins/relief.gif

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Hmmm? Really! Shirou saw Ilya as a sister. I doubt Illya saw him in the same way though. I didn't see anything wrong with the way Shirou acted toward Illya. I know you are kidding though. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Lego

03-11-2006, 09:39 PM

I actually find Illya creepy though. She kinda clings onto Shirou calling him "big brother" and etc. Yet eairlier when they first met, she just kinda walked past him while threatning him(think she had a evil grin to).

I did enjoy this episode though. I was never a huge Saber fan(more of a Rider guy) in the game at all. But the anime makes her likeable, and I'm starting to lean towards her.

Rhodes

03-11-2006, 11:00 PM

1st time they met she didnt threaten him... she gave him some sound advice... she knew he was a master even before he got all caught up in it.

also based on the game...they are related how I dont know but based on the flash back... her dad could be shiro's adoptive dad? they both seem to have the same hairstyle...

03-11-2006, 11:20 PM

41-78 (https://www.typemoon.com/users/vote/41-78.htm)
31-40 (https://www.typemoon.com/users/vote/31-40.htm)
21-30 (https://www.typemoon.com/users/vote/21-30.htm)
11-20 (https://www.typemoon.com/users/vote/11-20.htm)

10 Caster (https://www.typemoon.com/users/vote/10.htm)
9 (https://www.typemoon.com/users/vote/09.htm)
8 Illyasviel von Einzbern (https://www.typemoon.com/users/vote/08.htm)
7 (https://www.typemoon.com/users/vote/07.htm)
6 Lancer (https://www.typemoon.com/users/vote/06.htm)
5 MatÅ? Sakura (https://www.typemoon.com/users/vote/05.htm)
4 Rider (https://www.typemoon.com/users/vote/04.htm)
3 Archer (https://www.typemoon.com/users/vote/03.htm)
2 TÅ?saka Rin (https://www.typemoon.com/users/vote/02.htm)
1 Saber (https://www.typemoon.com/users/vote/01.htm) /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Gatts

03-11-2006, 11:46 PM

What type of rankings are those!? Fuji-nee lost to Gilgamesh? Booo!!! /images/graemlins/sad.gif

golthin

03-12-2006, 12:10 AM

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What type of rankings are those!? Fuji-nee lost to Gilgamesh? Booo!!! /images/graemlins/sad.gif

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She is a comic relief character, and she has not had that much screen time. I believe this is also more related to the game than the anime. I don't know what role she plays in the manga. Don't get me wrong, I like her a lot, too bad I don't see an onsen or beach episode coming, I want to see her on a bikini.

Gatts

03-12-2006, 12:20 AM

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golthin said:
I believe this is also more related to the game than the anime.

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LOL, if it was the anime rankings then Gilgamesh wouldn't even be in it. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

Not to mention Bazette (#9) and Caren (#7)

03-12-2006, 02:52 AM

It's a favorite character ranking.
37741 people voted Fate/stay night character from 24 Jan 2006 to 12 Feb 2006.

Here is the first character ranking(from 9 Apr 2004 to 23 Apr 2004)
55-31 (http://www.typemoon.com/rank/fate_1st/31-55.htm)
21-30 (http://www.typemoon.com/rank/fate_1st/21-30.htm)
11-20 (http://www.typemoon.com/rank/fate_1st/11-20.htm)

10 Caster (http://www.typemoon.com/rank/fate_1st/10.htm)
9 Fujimura Taiga (http://www.typemoon.com/rank/fate_1st/09.htm)
8 Lancer (http://www.typemoon.com/rank/fate_1st/08.htm)
7 Emiya ShirÅ? (http://www.typemoon.com/rank/fate_1st/07.htm)
6 MatÅ? Sakura (http://www.typemoon.com/rank/fate_1st/06.htm)
5 Illyasviel von Einzbern (http://www.typemoon.com/rank/fate_1st/05.htm)
4 Rider (http://www.typemoon.com/rank/fate_1st/04.htm)
3 Archer (http://www.typemoon.com/rank/fate_1st/03.htm)
2 TÅ?saka Rin (http://www.typemoon.com/rank/fate_1st/02.htm)
1 Saber (http://www.typemoon.com/rank/fate_1st/01.htm)

mellowrg2

03-12-2006, 05:38 AM

Goldy got an upgrade from Hollow Atraxia

I don't get while Saber is still first, though. She did nothing but eat in H/A

Poster girl effect, I guess. Feh..

Lego

03-12-2006, 10:21 AM

Its good to see Rider in the top 5. I still hope that we get to see her "normally" in the series like in the game heh.

golthin

03-12-2006, 01:12 PM

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Lego said:
Its good to see Rider in the top 5. I still hope that we get to see her "normally" in the series like in the game heh. 

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I saw an image of her from the game, she is pretty cute without the mask on. Caster is also pretty hot!

Lego

03-12-2006, 07:34 PM

Yeh, in the game, in Rider's "downtime" she does look pretty good. If I remember right, she wears glasses, purple hair of course, and looks pretty good heh.

03-12-2006, 09:34 PM

Poor Sakura.
She lost to her Servant again. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Lego

03-17-2006, 09:24 PM

Well, episode 11 was a very good episode. For those that aren't huge fans of the "talky" parts in Fate, this episode is for you. We get Shirou heading to the school for a confrontation with Shinji. At school, we get a Saber and Rider fight. Rider has some really nice moves(I liked the finger hand stand heh). It seems her "final move" is to stab herself in the neck, which unleashes itself on the opponent. It ends up blowing a floor or two of the school up, and Shirou and Saber have a nice moment at the end. 

Much like the game, once Fate gets its "talky" moments out of the way, the show and story is great. It looks like some bigger elements are starting to come into play here. Things like(spoilers for the rest of the series from the game) Sakura taking over Rider and so forth. 

We've had a string of a couple really good episodes. Can't wait for episode 12 /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

treatment

03-18-2006, 05:08 PM

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Lego said:
Well, episode 11 was a very good episode. For those that aren't huge fans of the "talky" parts in Fate, this episode is for you. We get Shirou heading to the school for a confrontation with Shinji. At school, we get a Saber and Rider fight. Rider has some really nice moves(I liked the finger hand stand heh). It seems her "final move" is to stab herself in the neck, which unleashes itself on the opponent. It ends up blowing a floor or two of the school up, and Shirou and Saber have a nice moment at the end. 

Much like the game, once Fate gets its "talky" moments out of the way, the show and story is great. It looks like some bigger elements are starting to come into play here. Things like(spoilers for the rest of the series from the game) Sakura taking over Rider and so forth. 

We've had a string of a couple really good episodes. Can't wait for episode 12 /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Continuing my Saturday-anime session /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif ...

This was a very, very good episode.

Master-vs-Master, Servant-vs-Servant. Shinji totally underestimating Shiro (who finally to put to use his master-skills) and the Saber-vs-Rider battle was good, but quick. Again. /images/graemlins/anger100.gif

However, Rider had some nice poses in the battle. /images/graemlins/devil.gif

Also, seems like Rider's Neck-Stab technique was a way to summon her Pegasus. Still an unexpected maneuver and I was left with a Whoa!-effect.

And as usual, Rin's hawt. She also seems to be not that pleased with the Saber and Shiro "moment" in the dojo near the end of the ep. She's prolly just teasing, tho. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

Ep-12 will be a continuation of the Saber-vs-Rider battle and it seems like Sakura's role will finally come into play.

Lego

03-18-2006, 08:18 PM

Yeh. Rider is a personal favorite of mine /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif, so any screen time she has, I don't mind heh. I hope the current trend of episodes continues though. Although Fate is reminding me of Jigoku Shoujo a little, where you have a string of good episodes, then one or two not so good ones.

golthin

03-18-2006, 08:22 PM

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Lego said:
Yeh. Rider is a personal favorite of mine /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif, so any screen time she has, I don't mind heh. I hope the current trend of episodes continues though. Although Fate is reminding me of Jigoku Shoujo a little, where you have a string of good episodes, then one or two not so good ones.

[/ QUOTE ]This episode was awesome. I guess this series is going for 20+ episodes because there is not way it can end on 13, unless if they do it on 2 seasons. Shinji is a chicken, I can't wait to see him getting killed.

Lego

03-18-2006, 08:26 PM

It seems like Fate will be 24 or 26 episodes. I personally feel that they're getting into the "good part" of the story right now. Maybe it's because I already played the game(by using a walk through and etc heh), and know the cast and characters. But with any anime, you have to set up the characters and etc.

Heres hopeing Type Moon will do a rerelease of Tsukihime and Fate /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Fencedude

03-24-2006, 04:09 PM

Saber vs. Rider, round 2.

Rider uses her Noble Phantasm, Bellerophon, prompting Saber to use hers, EXCALIBUR, thus revealing her identity.

Rider loses, and dies. ;_;

Next time, return of the Evil Loli!

Lego

03-24-2006, 04:28 PM

Heh, couple nice shots of Rider in this episode /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif. The interesting part was that they seemingly killed off Rider. In the game, she became Sakura's servant, and they duked it out that way. 

For all the people wanting to see Saber's "invisible sword", there ya go.

Fencedude

03-24-2006, 04:31 PM

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Lego said:
Heh, couple nice shots of Rider in this episode /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif. The interesting part was that they seemingly killed off Rider. In the game, she became Sakura's servant, and they duked it out that way. 

For all the people wanting to see Saber's "invisible sword", there ya go.

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 Rider dies in the Fate scenario. She lives in Unlimited Blade Works and Heaven's Feel.

Lego

03-24-2006, 04:32 PM

Yeh, HF and UBW's scenarios are the two that I'm most familiar with. So they're probably going down the Fate time line, unless they pull a Tsukihime

golthin

03-24-2006, 05:54 PM

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Fencedude said:
Saber vs. Rider, round 2.

Rider uses her Noble Phantasm, Bellerophon, prompting Saber to use hers, EXCALIBUR, thus revealing her identity.

Rider loses, and dies. ;_;

Next time, return of the Evil Loli!

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Was there anyone in the area that was able to see Saber's Noble Phantasm?

Fencedude

03-24-2006, 05:57 PM

[ QUOTE ]
golthin said:
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Fencedude said:
Saber vs. Rider, round 2.

Rider uses her Noble Phantasm, Bellerophon, prompting Saber to use hers, EXCALIBUR, thus revealing her identity.

Rider loses, and dies. ;_;

Next time, return of the Evil Loli!

[/ QUOTE ]
Was there anyone in the area that was able to see Saber's Noble Phantasm?

[/ QUOTE ]

Shinji (not that it matters)
Shirou
Ilya (maybe)

golthin

03-24-2006, 06:48 PM

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Lego said:
Yeh, HF and UBW's scenarios are the two that I'm most familiar with. So they're probably going down the Fate time line, unless they pull a Tsukihime 

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The tsukihime reference is about it having a combined end? Was it not you who told me that the end Tsukihime was not a combined end? I believed that for a while till someone that said he had played the game corrected me. If it was not you disregard this. Can you then elaborated about your Tsukihime reference?

Fencedude

03-24-2006, 06:57 PM

[ QUOTE ]
golthin said:
[ QUOTE ]
Lego said:
Yeh, HF and UBW's scenarios are the two that I'm most familiar with. So they're probably going down the Fate time line, unless they pull a Tsukihime 

[/ QUOTE ]
The tsukihime reference is about it having a combined end? Was it not you who told me that the end Tsukihime was not a combined end? I believed that for a while till someone that said he had played the game corrected me. If it was not you disregard this. Can you then elaborated about your Tsukihime reference?

[/ QUOTE ]

I believe he's referring to how Tsukihime just didn't include like...90% of the game's plotlines.

Lego

03-24-2006, 11:09 PM

Yeh, a big example of this is(warning, Tsukihime game spoilers) In every scenario in Tsukihime, poor Satsuki would turn into a vampire and die. She survived the anime, and gets turned down by Shiki. The other big plot point that they didn't hit on in Tsukihime was the fact that Kohaku was "drugging" Shiki, to bring out the killer in him and etc. 

So if they end up following the Tsukihime route(the changing of characters fates and etc), then you could get one of the scenarios, but someone who died would be alive and vice versa.

pianocello

03-25-2006, 11:09 PM

I've seen up to ep 5 and the show hasn't impressed me so far (this is coming from someone who liked Tsukihime ). Shirou is just annoying - as he is too much of a moron for me to like.

Some quick questions:
(1)Does the pace improve or does it start to quicken up?
(2)Does Shirou continue to be annoying or does he improve?
(3)It seems that almost every other Fate/Stay Night fanart I've seen is a yuri pic. /images/graemlins/shy00000.gif Is there any girl-girl subtext?
(4)It seems a pity that the show is not taking advantage of the fact that it is based on a h-game and could have easily followed the ecchi cliches of the "magical girlfriend" genre of wussy guy living with hot girl (Oops! I accidentally walked in you bathing. Oops! I accidentally feel on your boobs! etc.) Are there any ecchi scenes or detailed nudity coming up? /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif
(5)What does the name of the show mean?

03-26-2006, 02:11 AM

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Some quick questions:
(2)Does Shirou continue to be annoying or does he improve?

[/ QUOTE ]
From Newtype (http://pc.webnt.jp/newrelease/nt_top.html) Apr 2006
Ayako Kawasumi (who played Saber) said,
"When I played in ep 11 , I FINALLY thought it was good that Shirou was Saber's master.
Before that, I thought "He annoys me! Damn!" /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif"

Lego

03-26-2006, 02:20 AM

lol is that a direct quote?

03-26-2006, 02:50 AM

Yap. Rough translation, though.(Sorry for my bad English)

Noriaki Sugiyama(who played Shirou) answered her.

"(Laugh)...Honestly, I was relieved in ep 11 /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif
Before that, Shirou went for battle alone, he was not sure to win though, and died. He finally saw what he could (in ep 11)."

Lego

03-26-2006, 02:55 AM

Heh, so it seems like the cast felt that way to. It struck me as the writers trying to push Shirou's ideals on the audience over, and over, and over to make a point. But I do agree with the VA's.

Fencedude

03-26-2006, 07:49 AM

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piano_cello_conducting said:

(1)Does the pace improve or does it start to quicken up?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes

[ QUOTE ]
(2)Does Shirou continue to be annoying or does he improve?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, he gets better, but he'll get a bit worse first.

[ QUOTE ]
(3)It seems that almost every other Fate/Stay Night fanart I've seen is a yuri pic. /images/graemlins/shy00000.gif Is there any girl-girl subtext?

[/ QUOTE ]

Rin is debatably gay for Saber, but otherwise no, nothing really official. Its just really easy to pair the girls up in this.

[ QUOTE ]
(4)It seems a pity that the show is not taking advantage of the fact that it is based on a h-game and could have easily followed the ecchi cliches of the "magical girlfriend" genre of wussy guy living with hot girl (Oops! I accidentally walked in you bathing. Oops! I accidentally feel on your boobs! etc.) Are there any ecchi scenes or detailed nudity coming up? /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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There are h-games, and then there are games that happen to have some h. Fate is nothing at all like what you are suggesting.

[ QUOTE ]
(5)What does the name of the show mean?

[/ QUOTE ]

I;ve been told, but I forgot.

Advent_Nebula

03-26-2006, 09:57 PM

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Lego said:
Yeh, HF and UBW's scenarios are the two that I'm most familiar with. So they're probably going down the Fate time line, unless they pull a Tsukihime 

[/ QUOTE ]

From what a friend linked me to at another forum about a month before FSN primired it was an offical word from DEEN that stated We will be combining all theree storylines in the game for the TV series[/spoilers] I will see if she still has that link.

Lego

03-31-2006, 09:41 PM

This episode shed some light on Saber's background. For those who don't know Saber is supposed to be King Arthur. That is her identity, and a reason why she fought with her sword invisible most of the time. If someone found out her true identity, then they could exploit her weekness. Ilya takes Shirou "prisoner" and seems pretty demented.

For Rin and Archer fans, I would tune in next episode. The episode preview seems to be all about Archer fighting Gilgamesh.

treatment

04-02-2006, 12:54 AM

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Lego said:
This episode shed some light on Saber's background. For those who don't know Saber is supposed to be King Arthur. That is her identity, and a reason why she fought with her sword invisible most of the time. If someone found out her true identity, then they could exploit her weekness. Ilya takes Shirou "prisoner" and seems pretty demented.

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I watched it the other night and imho, ep-13's yet-another-limited-animation-lotsa-panning talky-episode. The only good thing about this ep was loli-queen Ilya and she ain't "demented".

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For Rin and Archer fans, I would tune in next episode. The episode preview seems to be all about Archer fighting Gilgamesh. 

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Are you sure that it'll be a Archer vs Gilgamesh fight in the next ep? I didn't see any indication of it in the preview. My bet is that it'll be Archer vs Heracles fight.