Macross Plus: OAV? [Archive]

AmericanBeauty

02-07-2006, 04:49 PM

I have two questions about this:

1. Is this a good show? The reviews seem pretty glowing?
2. Is it a standalone? Or do I have to watch the other Macross shows to appreciate this one?

Rogueman_8

02-07-2006, 05:14 PM

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Air Of Benevolence said:
I have two questions about this:

1. Is this a good show? The reviews seem pretty glowing?
2. Is it a standalone? Or do I have to watch the other Macross shows to appreciate this one?

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Macross Plus is one of my top 5 anime shows ever. It's very good. The production values are just great. Kanno's music is amazing. The actors are all great (dub is pretty good too, though i didn't like myung's eng voice). The show is stellar storywise. It mostly focuses on 3 friends w/ bigger things to come in the background. You can watch it stand alone. There's no real requirement of knowing anything from the Macross universe to watch and enjoy this (though some ppl may enjoy it a bit more due to the race relations and stuff). Check out the OVAs FIRST then the MOVIE second. The movie's got some cool extra footage and a slightly better ending but the OVAs got a ton of more footage, music and character development which you'll definitely enjoy. SOOO recommended.

Innocent Bystander

02-07-2006, 05:29 PM

What he said. Knowing the OVA, I found the movie version disappointing. Just get the OVA.

Bullfrog

02-07-2006, 06:57 PM

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Air Of Benevolence said:
I have two questions about this:

1. Is this a good show? The reviews seem pretty glowing?
2. Is it a standalone? Or do I have to watch the other Macross shows to appreciate this one?

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This is one of the best OAVs I've ever seen. The title that re-introduced me to anime, and was my first ever anime purchase. One of my most re-watched DVDs, of all shapes and forms. Thinking on it, this title has caused a 1700 disc addiction (and counting) . . . /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

This story is pretty much standalone, it certainly would help to have seen the original Macross series, however that is for finer nuances. The broader storyline is quite easy to follow.

As others have mentioned, the movie is out there as well, and tells a very similar story line. It's worth picking up, but I'd only give it a solid B+, whereas the OAVs are at least A+ (keep adding +s).

Leon_Belmont

02-07-2006, 07:02 PM

It rocks, and it's standalone. Go for it. It's not just one of the many good shows, but one of the bests. Well, I supposed that part's debatable, but among OVAs, its one of the tops. Check it out.

Falcon_73

02-07-2006, 07:33 PM

Macross Plus is an OVA worthy of the name... unlike another Macross series with a number 7 in it.

Prior knowledge will help, but it's not required. If you have seen and liked shows like Yukikaze & Area 88, then I think you will like Macross Plus.

I just wish they would re-master the movie version as I liked that a bit more, but the OVA shouldn't disappoint.

Macross Plus has sometimes been called the "Top Gun" of anime and it lives up to that billing...

The music, while being different than the original Macross series/movie, is also top notch. It's a very engaging soundtrack and fits the OVA quite well.

Mecha... Music... >> Macross...

Macross Plus is highly recommended in my book.

macross011a

02-07-2006, 07:51 PM

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Air Of Benevolence said:
I have two questions about this:

1. Is this a good show? The reviews seem pretty glowing?

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This is an excellent story about peace, love and war entwined about two test pilots fighting for the love of one lovely lady.

Aside from being a mecha anime, there's some in-nods to "2001: A Space Oddessy", in which the Macross creators are fans of the story.

The big hook on this anime is that it sets the benchmark on how mecha dogfighting should be, until it was unseated by 2002-2004's Macross Zero for its animation quality. Macross Plus may be dated from 1994, it has aged well.

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2. Is it a standalone? Or do I have to watch the other Macross shows to appreciate this one?

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Watching other Macross shows may help understand the in-nods to previous events, they are not important to the story.

If you must, check out Macross Zero (which is currently unlicensed and likely not soon) which is set in 2008 AD. The original Super Dimension Fortress Macross (available on R1 from ADV) is set at 2009-2012 AD. Macross Plus is set in 2040 AD.

Macross Plus is written by the Macross creators to be clear that the world of Macross and its universe is *very* different from its competitor "Robotech". As I said about the 2040 date, the Macross world is peaceful and hasn't faced a major war in 30 years, while the Robotech universe is set about Earth's war against the Invid in their 2040 date.

The in-nods mentioned below are spoilerish if you hadn't watched Macross at first, so I warn you.

There is a junked VF-1 Valkyrie variable fighter parked at New Edwards base on planet Eden.

Various Destroids (dated from 2009-2012) are used for target practice.

The spaceship UNS Macross (registry SDF-01) is shown here, refitted from its final battle in 2012.

A song, "My Boyfriend's a Pilot", was featured in a kareoke bar. That song was done by Lynn Minmay, who was lead singer in the original Macross TV series.

Various models and photos of variable fighters in action are seen in Colonel Millaird Johnson's office.

The ceremony featured in Macross Plus is the 30th anniversary of the end of Space War I, the war that occured in the Macross TV series.

Global Space Port is named after Bruno Global, captain of the Macross and later hero of the war (as well as future president of the UN government.

I recommend also watching the Movie Edition as well, as it shows redone CGI footage. It's basically a Director's Cut, which is based on the draft version on what Macross Plus is supposed to be.

Yet, all Macross works set after 2040 (Macross 7, the Macross PlayStation video games, the Macross 7 manga side-story and Macross 7 Dynamite; all unlicensed) follow the events based off from the Macross Plus OAVs.

Magic_Knight

02-07-2006, 08:02 PM

Personally, I didn't like it. I didn't care for the characters (except the main character whoe was pretty cool) or the story. I thought the whole love aspect was lame, too. I have to admit though that the animation is awesome and the mecha fights are excellent. The rest of it just wasn't my cup of tea. I haven't seen the original Maccross yet.

Leon_Belmont

02-07-2006, 08:06 PM

Whether the Movie version is the intended telling or not, I found the OVA to be superior, especially in characterization. And I probably wouldn't bother with the Macross series with numbers in them. They all give me a headache just thinking about them, and this is coming from someone who thinks Macross is by far the best anime out of the 70s and 80s time period. Plus lives up to the name though.

Starwind Amada

02-07-2006, 08:45 PM

What was the thing that got a really bad English dub done in Hong Kong?

Bullfrog

02-07-2006, 09:09 PM

The movie version I have was done by Manga, and I believe is sub only details here (http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6827/catalogmgr/2z4890sWRH9ieKLMZE/browse/item/56379/4/0/0)

Don't know about any versions done in Hong Kong . . .

macross011a

02-07-2006, 09:26 PM

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What was the thing that got a really bad English dub done in Hong Kong?

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That would be the international version of the movie "Macross: Do You Remember Love?".

Miscasts aside, it was released on VHS in various countries but in full-version video only, not from its original widescreen format.

The license rights to this movie are in limbo, due to low-profile studios passing out the rights (from buyouts and expirations) to each other. According to AnimeIgo, the paper trail was to too long to justify a DVD release, as it would mean paying to the parties to had the piece. Basically, it's like what happened to Gatchaman, but worse.

There was an English dub of the TV series done on the Phillipines and voiced by Filipino performers back in 1985. It kept the footage, story and music intact but only the names were altered. That version got permission from Big West, since HG was not involved. (The funny thing is that Robotech didn't appear in the Phillipines until three years later, and found it bad).

As for the Macross Plus: Movie Edition, Manga got lazy and decided not to dub it. The DVD video came from Manga's VHS master.

I heard that Manga decided not to do it because Big West lost the music tracks for the movie, and possibly episode 4 of the OAV. It may explain why the dub track had different music, unlike the Japanese one.

geraldr

02-07-2006, 11:13 PM

Macross Plus is the last truly great Macross ever done. It's a beautifully done show, and while it's only 4 episodes long, it has more plot, character and action than most 26 episode shows. It's very standalone, however there is a point toward the end that involves the old "Macross" battleship, it's nothing major, it's just sort of there and while it can be a bit more fun if you know about the original show, there's nothing lost if you don't. Definitely go for it, it's a fantastic addition to a collection and well worth it.

Tsubaki

02-09-2006, 02:28 PM

I never liked the OAV series... only bought it and kept it because I'm a Kanno whore.

But the movie fixes a lot of pacing problems I had with the OAV. Plus it has Wanna Be An Angel <3

MrNice

02-09-2006, 04:14 PM

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But the movie fixes a lot of pacing problems I had with the OAV.

[/ QUOTE ]Heh, but what about the character assassionation of Isamu, and fan pandering at the end to turn a brilliant but suicidal tactic into complete nonsense, and feeling the need to spell out what was obvious but nicely left unsaid in the OAV ending? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Plus of course the scene rearraging at the beginning leading to the random appearing and disappearing nature of Isamu's YF-19 (in the OAV it's down to whether it's in the workshop from the first crash or not).

samwise

02-09-2006, 04:26 PM

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Heh, but what about the character assassionation of Isamu, and fan pandering at the end to turn a brilliant but suicidal tactic into complete nonsense, and feeling the need to spell out what was obvious but nicely left unsaid in the OAV ending?

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Think I know what you mean by character assassination, but I'm not following what the other stuff refers to?

citicslmatts

02-09-2006, 05:05 PM

I must say, I'm also going to have to cast my vote for the movie...

Don't get me wrong, the OAV is super cool (and yes, with it's 40min x 4 styles it does fit in extra character development etc which the movie doesn't have time for...) - however I personally enjoyed the overall 'package' of the movie more. It chops out some bits and adds in others to make an anime viewing session which flows better than the OAV IMHO.

But dude, as more or less everyone has said here - either option is sick mate. Classic.

MrNice

02-09-2006, 05:08 PM

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Samuel said:
Think I know what you mean by character assassination, but I'm not following what the other stuff refers to?

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Tactical brilliance to nonsense: Guld destroying the X-29 at the cost of his own life.
Spelling out the obvious: The Isamu/Myung/Sharon dialogue at the end.

treatment

02-09-2006, 05:30 PM

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Samuel said:
Think I know what you mean by character assassination, but I'm not following what the other stuff refers to?

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Tactical brilliance to nonsense: Guld destroying the X-29 at the cost of his own life.

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There was no non-sense about it.

The X9 was clearly superior to either the YF-19 and the YF-21 in speed and reaction, and the OVA-version of the event was the clear and lame "tactical" cop-out. They were both outclassed and all of a sudden, Guld's YF-21 caught it? That is the non-sense and it's in the OVA.

The movie-version described in detail what Guld had to do and what it did to him just to match the X9. You can view a bunch of real-life flight-videos regarding g-force and stuff and what happened in Plus-movie was quite consistent about it.

That's clearly not a non-sense and not just mere fan-pandering.

btw, I'm still not sure what you mean by character-assasination on Isamu.

MrNice

02-09-2006, 06:01 PM

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The X9 was clearly superior to either the YF-19 and the YF-21 in speed and reaction, and the OVA-version of the event was the clear and lame "tactical" cop-out. They were both outclassed and all of a sudden, Guld's YF-21 
caught it?

[/ QUOTE ]Guld didn't "catch it", he rammed it by playing "chicken". Normally, fighters win a dogfight by shooting the other guy up with bullets and missiles. Guld couldn't do this, since as you say, he's outclassed. So he played for the "draw", not the "win". He didn't outfly the x-9, he simply did something the enemy wasn't programmed to expect.
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treatment said:
That is the non-sense and it's in the OVA.

The movie-version described in detail what Guld had to do and what it did to him just to match the X9. You can view a bunch of real-life flight-videos regarding g-force and stuff and what happened in Plus-movie was quite consistent about it.

[/ QUOTE ]I have not specific problem with the portrayal of the effect of g-forces. The problem is how did he finally win? Essentially, by making the x-29 fly itself apart. Clearly nonsense, since as you say, the x-29 clearly outclasses the yf-21 of the production line, let alone after the damage the '21 has already taken. The yf-21 would have fallen apart (and Guld rendered unconcious) long before the the x-29 would have any problem from structural failure. And that's the point really, the yf-21 would at that point be structurally incapable of matching the x-9, it wasn't a matter of how many g's Guld could grin and bare.
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btw, I'm still not sure what you mean by character-assasination on Isamu.

[/ QUOTE ]Check out the night of the fire, and I'm not simply pointing out the obvious of it clashing with his date, although that doesn't help.

treatment

02-09-2006, 06:17 PM

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treatment said:
The X9 was clearly superior to either the YF-19 and the YF-21 in speed and reaction, and the OVA-version of the event was the clear and lame "tactical" cop-out. They were both outclassed and all of a sudden, Guld's YF-21 
caught it?

[/ QUOTE ]Guld didn't "catch it", he rammed it by playing "chicken". Normally, fighters win a dogfight by shooting the other guy up with bullets and missiles. Guld couldn't do this, since as you say, he's outclassed. So he played for the "draw", not the "win". He didn't outfly the x-9, he simply did something the enemy wasn't programmed to expect.

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No. You're missing the point of the whole gambit. You need to re-watch again how Guld did it. He could not outfly the X9 without an extreme judgement-call on what needs to be done. The X9's programming or lack of expected-programming had nothing to do with what happened. That's fan-fiction. It was all brute-force from Guld's kamekaze.

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I have not specific problem with the portrayal of the effect of g-forces. The problem is how did he finally win? Essentially, by making the x-29 fly itself apart.

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I'm not sure why you keep using x-29 and you're really confusing me on what exactly you're talking about. Are you referring to the YF-21 or the Ghost X9?

If you mean the X9, it did not fly itself apart. Guld put it out of action.

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Clearly nonsense, since as you say, the x-29 clearly outclasses the yf-21 of the production line, let alone after the damage the '21 has already taken. The yf-21 would have fallen apart (and Guld rendered unconcious) long before the the x-29 would have any problem from structural failure. And that's the point really, the yf-21 would at that point be structurally incapable of matching the x-9, it wasn't a matter of how many g's Guld could grin and bare.

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No. The YF-21 can actually handle and match the X9, but Guld can't. There's the fundamental difference.

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Check out the night of the fire, and I'm not simply pointing out the obvious of it clashing with his date, although that doesn't help.

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Dude, that's not character-assassination. That's just a different (and most likely) the original characterization on the whole thing.

It made the quadrangle and consequences even more complicated and more real. The portrayal in the OVA was good, but it was idealistic and it lacked the realism of what Isamu would really be doing at that particular time with Lucy.

MrNice

02-09-2006, 07:00 PM

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No. You're missing the point of the whole gambit. You need to re-watch again how Guld did it. He could not outfly the X9 without an extreme judgement-call on what needs to be done. The X9's programming or lack of expected-programming had nothing to do with what happened. That's fan-fiction. It was all brute-force from Guld's kamekaze.

[/ QUOTE ]Okay, fact: Guld ram's it kamikaze style. The why's and wherefores of how he manages this aren't that important, notably because the problems associated with it are a subset of the movie solutions problems anyway. Oh, what with the selective spoiler tags anyway, the whole issue is either a spoiler or its not /images/graemlins/wink.gif.
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If you mean the X9, it did not fly itself apart. Guld put it out of action.

[/ QUOTE ]"Put it out of action" is a nebulous statement. Both the OVA solution (which we agree on the basics of) and the Movie solution as I outlined it "put it out of action". If you have a fundamentally different read on what put a stop to the x9 in the movie then me, say what it is /images/graemlins/wink.gifps, my bad on x(2)9, been a while since I've watched it, but its obvious in context I was talking about the Ghost anyway /images/graemlins/wink.gif.
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treatment said:
No. The YF-21 can actually handle and match the X9, but Guld can't. There's the fundamental difference.

[/ QUOTE ]At the simplest level, the YF-21 has the massive design constraint of the cockpit with a transparent viewcreen. Also there's not much point designing a space-frame which can take massively more g's then the pilot. The X-9 also manages to get away with not having wings. Not to mention as I already said the YF-21 was at that point already notably damaged. So to say that the YF-21 could still match the X9 if you disregard the pilot requires some justification. But why at the end of the day the YF-21+pilot can't match the X9 is not important, the fact is that it can't. Which is entirely why the OVA ending makes more sense. The movie could have added the g-force gurnying and still ended with the same solution as the OVA remember.
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treatment said:
It made the quadrangle and consequences even more complicated and more real. The portrayal in the OVA was good, but it was idealistic and it lacked the realism of what Isamu would really be doing at that particular time with Lucy.

[/ QUOTE ]That's not the point, as I already indicated. The point is That he never goes to the fire fullstop, and thus know that Myung is not in trouble. He didn't go immediatly in the OVA either, but the point is that he did go in the end. OVA Isamu of course isn't even on a date with Lucy that night, so there's nothing for it to be more "idealistic" about on that score, and nor does the Movie version make the quadrangle more complicated from this, since what Isamu did that night is never referenced again.

treatment

02-09-2006, 07:37 PM

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Mr. Nice said:
Okay, fact: Guld ram's it kamikaze style. The why's and wherefores of how he manages this aren't that important, notably because the problems associated with it are a subset of the movie solutions problems anyway.

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Nahh. Those specific factors you mentioned are exactly what was important in the movie. You're prolly denying they're important because it didn't mesh with the OVA, but that was the whole point. The movie was a different take and those factors becomes significant.

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Oh, what with the selective spoiler tags anyway, the whole issue is either a spoiler or its not /images/graemlins/wink.gif.

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That's how I do spoiler-tags. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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If you mean the X9, it did not fly itself apart. Guld put it out of action.

[/ QUOTE ]"Put it out of action" is a nebulous statement. Both the OVA solution (which we agree on the basics of) and the Movie solution as I outlined it "put it out of action". If you have a fundamentally different read on what put a stop to the x9 in the movie then me, say what it is /images/graemlins/wink.gifps, my bad on x(2)9, been a while since I've watched it, but its obvious in context I was talking about the Ghost anyway /images/graemlins/wink.gif.

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Guld rammed his YF-21 to the X9. That's the only read one can get. In the OVA, it was all zigzagging lights that really was non-sense. It made the final moments of Guld and the YF-21 really weak and lame even tho he's a major character in the OVA.

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No. The YF-21 can actually handle and match the X9, but Guld can't. There's the fundamental difference.

[/ QUOTE ]At the simplest level, the YF-21 has the massive design constraint of the cockpit with a transparent viewcreen. Also there's not much point designing a space-frame which can take massively more g's then the pilot. The X-9 also manages to get away with not having wings. Not to mention as I already said the YF-21 was at that point already notably damaged. So to say that the YF-21 could still match the X9 if you disregard the pilot requires some justification. But why at the end of the day the YF-21+pilot can't match the X9 is not important, the fact is that it can't. Which is entirely why the OVA ending makes more sense. The movie could have added the g-force gurnying and still ended with the same solution as the OVA remember.

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The YF-21 can handle it. Guld was unwilling to let it loose until the final moments of what needs to be done. He was aware of the effects on the pilot if he let YF-21 loose. He even stated it clearly on what needs to be done. Since the YF-21 actually rammed the X9 pretty much proved that the YF-21, even with significant damage, can hang with the X9 in speed. The whole issue was the pilot. You need to remember that Isamu had outsmarted/outpiloted Guld and his final barrage in their final duel. 

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It made the quadrangle and consequences even more complicated and more real. The portrayal in the OVA was good, but it was idealistic and it lacked the realism of what Isamu would really be doing at that particular time with Lucy.

[/ QUOTE ]That's not the point, as I already indicated, the point is That he never goes to the fire fullstop, and thus know that Myung is not in trouble. He didn't go immediatly in the OVA either, but the point is that he did go in the end. OVA Isamu of course isn't even on a date with Lucy that night, so there's nothing for it to be more "idealistic" about on that score, and nor does the Movie version make the quadrangle more complicated from this, since what Isamu did that night is never referenced again.

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That's why it's idealistic in the OVA.

There was no reason to go anywhere at all that night. Even for curiousity's sake. And he shouldn't be brooding about it, either. He was an important test-pilot inside the base and he would/should be doing something (or someone) else entirely. The movie illustrated it perfectly and set up Lucy with it as the necessary plot-point to make it a more logical human decision.

The OVA did it differently just to add a rather unnecessary failure just to add more rivalry factors. Which still does not make any sense since Isamu really does not want to get back nor have any inclination to hook up with Myung again in both the OVA and the Movie. He was clearly avoiding a repeat what happened to the three of them seven years previously. Only Myung wasn't over him, and Guld had a completely different memory of it.

Super Saiyajin Joshua

02-09-2006, 08:38 PM

I'd just like to throw in another glowing recamendation for this OVA. Just a fantastic story.

MrNice

02-09-2006, 08:39 PM

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Nahh. Those specific factors you mentioned are exactly what was important in the movie. You're prolly denying they're important because it didn't mesh with the OVA, but that was the whole point. The movie was a different take and those factors becomes significant.
Guld rammed his YF-21 to the X9. That's the only read one can get.

[/ QUOTE ]Ah, so you read the movie and OVA to be the same in the most important regard? Well I already said there was no problem with the added gurnying if that were true, so saying I am in denial due to non-congruence doesn't wash /images/graemlins/wink.gif. Indeed, I could just as easily say you are in denial by "reading" into the movie what happened in the OVA, since without it hte movie makes no sense /images/graemlins/wink.gif.You never see the yf-21 and x-9 collide in the movie. You see the two fall apart after high g manevering. Anything else is fan fiction. It could be said that we aren't so far apart after all. You choose to "read" into the movie since prima facia it makes no sense, I simply choose to write it off as nonsense
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treatment said:It made the final moments of Guld and the YF-21 really weak and lame even tho he's a major character in the OVA.

[/ QUOTE ]Ah, that would be the "fan pandering" angle I mentioned earlier /images/graemlins/wink.gif well boo hoo a "major character" doesn't get a big death scene. Well fighter combat can be fast and brutal, and the "essence" of the death scene had already taken place between Guld and Isamu, they both knew that staying to tangle with the x9 was a death sentence.
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There was no reason to go anywhere at all that night. Even for curiousity's sake. And he shouldn't be brooding about it, either. He was an important test-pilot inside the base and he would/should be doing something (or someone) else entirely. The movie illustrated it perfectly and set up Lucy with it as the necessary plot-point to make it a more logical human decision.

The OVA did it differently just to add a rather unnecessary failure just to add more rivalry factors. Which still does not make any sense since Isamu really does not want to get back nor have any inclination to hook up with Myung again in both the OVA and the Movie. He was clearly avoiding a repeat what happened to the three of them seven years previously. Only Myung wasn't over him, and Guld had a completely different memory of it.

[/ QUOTE ]Ah, we clearly have quite different reads on Isamu's character and motivations, not worth debating really.

ps. I did see the Movie version first all those years ago, just in case you think it is the "halo" effect of see the OVA first colouring my opinion /images/graemlins/wink.gif.

treatment

02-09-2006, 10:30 PM

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Ah, so you read the movie and OVA to be the same in the most important regard? Well I already said there was no problem with the added gurnying if that were true, so saying I am in denial due to non-congruence doesn't wash /images/graemlins/wink.gif. Indeed, I could just as easily say you are in denial by "reading" into the movie what happened in the OVA, since without it hte movie makes no sense /images/graemlins/wink.gif.You never see the yf-21 and x-9 collide in the movie. You see the two fall apart after high g manevering. Anything else is fan fiction. It could be said that we aren't so far apart after all. You choose to "read" into the movie since prima facia it makes no sense, I simply choose to write it off as nonsense

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The whole kamikaze-run starts around 1:39:00 and the actual collision-hit was at 1:40:09. And yeah, they did more zigzagging during the hit and the aftermath than the OVA did, but it still was a very excellent 1-minute+ animated full-on battle-sequence and totally superior to the 3-second OVA-version handling of it. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

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Ah, that would be the "fan pandering" angle I mentioned earlier /images/graemlins/wink.gif well boo hoo a "major character" doesn't get a big death scene. Well fighter combat can be fast and brutal, and the "essence" of the death scene had already taken place between Guld and Isamu, they both knew that staying to tangle with the x9 was a death sentence.

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lol!

That was the whole point of the story, dude! Just can't write off both a major character and a signature fighter in just 3-seconds like the OVA did. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

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Ah, we clearly have quite different reads on Isamu's character and motivations, not worth debating really.

ps. I did see the Movie version first all those years ago, just in case you think it is the "halo" effect of see the OVA first colouring my opinion /images/graemlins/wink.gif.

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I guess we do. It's all good, tho. Isamu's still a badass character, despite our difference of opinion of him.

Vicserr

02-10-2006, 08:25 AM

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I have two questions about this:

1. Is this a good show? The reviews seem pretty glowing?

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it is, it's a story of 3 friends that circumstances have driven them apart and now are forced together by:

1- The tests for the replacemant of the VF-11 variable fighter(the fighter that replaced the VF-1 series used in SDF Macross, you can see the VF-11 fighter in Macross 7) where Isamu and Guld work as test pilots of the prototype fighters

2-Sharon Apple's Concert on Eden(this brings Myung back)

this comes on the heels of the 30th Anniversary of Space War 1(told in SDF Macross)

there are some mecha sequences as the pilots works with ther prototype fighters and the final conflict with the X-9 Ghost but it's not the focus of the show

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2. Is it a standalone? Or do I have to watch the other Macross shows to appreciate this one?

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Previous Macross knowledge(SDF Macross) would be useful, but not necessary

It's pretty stand alone show and highly reccomended /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

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02-10-2006, 04:11 PM

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Vicserr said:

1- The tests for the replacemant of the VF-11 variable fighter(the fighter that replaced the VF-1 series used in SDF Macross, you can see the VF-11 fighter in Macross 7) where Isamu and Guld work as test pilots of the prototype fighters

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Incorrect. The VF-1 Valkyrie variable fighter wasn't replaced by the VF-11 Thunderbolt. It was the VF-4 Lightning III variable fighter (http://macross.anime.net//mecha/united_nations/variable/vf4/index.html) that replaced the VF-1 Valkyrie in 2012. Hikaru Ichijo (the main hero of SDF Macross) was one of the test pilots and we this fighter in use in "Macross Flashback 2012", which is unlicensed. In addition to the VF-11 Thunderbolt seen in Macross 7, the YF-19 and YF-21 will be seen as new variable fighters VF-19 Excalibur (http://macross.anime.net//mecha/united_nations/variable/vf19/index.html) and VF-22 Strumvogel II (http://macross.anime.net//mecha/united_nations/variable/vf22/index.html), respectively. The tech profiles are a bit spoilerish, since they mention events seen in Macross Plus and Macross 7.

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this comes on the heels of the 30th Anniversary of Space War 1(told in SDF Macross)

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Actually, it is the 30th Anniversary of the armascise of the war, which the war concluded in March 2010. As for when the war began, it was February 2009.

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Previous Macross knowledge(SDF Macross) would be useful, but not necessary.

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As I said above, it's mostly in-nods to previous events in the Macross universe but it may be spoilerish to SDF Macross TV series and Flashback 2012.