Did ADV cancel Your and My Secret?

[HyugaKojiro]

I was just wondering if ADV is going to release the next 2 volumes that have been out in Japan for a while, or if they've canceled it.

[Mr. Nail Bat]

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HyugaKojiro said:
I was just wondering if ADV is going to release the next 2 volumes that have been out in Japan for a while, or if they've canceled it.

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I don't know if they ever formally announced the release of volume 2, so they probably never officially cancelled anything... but the chances of the other volumes being released are about as good as the chances of Jarred ever saying, "Not another sports manga!"

[populuxe]

I was just rereading my copy of this book and thinking how sad it is that ADV will probably never release another volume of this. Or the other volume of the Happy Lesson manga. Or more Aria. Or the rest of Steel Angel Kurumi. Or... well, you get the idea.

[kio]

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HyugaKojiro said:
I was just wondering if ADV is going to release the next 2 volumes that have been out in Japan for a while, or if they've canceled it.

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I don't know if they ever formally announced the release of volume 2, so they probably never officially cancelled anything...

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Didn't they kind of just put most (all?) of their manga series "on hold" for the time being? or was that someone else?

I liked Your and My Secret, and would probably find a way to buy it if they put out other volumes, but the ADV series I was mostly hoping would continue was Peacemaker Kurogane /images/graemlins/depresse.gif.

[chloes_fork]

There was a secondhand report (http://forums.animeondvd.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=1263341&page=&view=&s b=5&o=&vc=1) from Ushicon that ADV supposedly said they were eventually going to finish all the manga they've started. Even if it was said, though, any sane person will file that under "I'll believe it when I see it."

[akoftroy]

If there's enough buzz for some of these titles, I would think another publisher would give them a shot.

[chloes_fork]

Except I would assume ADV retains the rights, whether or not they choose to do anything with them. Presumably their license would expire eventually, but not anytime soon.

[HyugaKojiro]

Ok, thanks for the heads up. I guess I won't be buying any more manga from ADV anymore, that is if they even release any new manga.

Edit: just checked the GN Comparison Chart, looks like ADV really likes to cancel lots of manga, why do they even bother starting something they won't finish. They should just stick to anime DVDs IMHO.

[darkhunter]

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Ok, thanks for the heads up. I guess I won't be buying any more manga from ADV anymore, that is if they even release any new manga.

Edit: just checked the GN Comparison Chart, looks like ADV really likes to cancel lots of manga, why do they even bother starting something they won't finish. They should just stick to anime DVDs IMHO.

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Because those manga flopped at the bookstore. If it doesn't make money, than no reason to continue producing it and take a lost. ADV still continue to release their popular title, but the bad-seller are the one that are on hiatus.

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HyugaKojiro said:
Ok, thanks for the heads up. I guess I won't be buying any more manga from ADV anymore, that is if they even release any new manga.

Edit: just checked the GN Comparison Chart, looks like ADV really likes to cancel lots of manga, why do they even bother starting something they won't finish. They should just stick to anime DVDs IMHO.

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Because those manga flopped at the bookstore. If it doesn't make money, than no reason to continue producing it and take a lost. ADV still continue to release their popular title, but the bad-seller are the one that are on hiatus.

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I don't know about that either. Isn't Chrono Crusade pretty popular? And Peacemaker? They haven't even finished those yet.

[Collectonian]

Chrono Crusade's Volume 7 is supposed to finally be released at the end of the month, so keep fingers crossed that they don't delay it again. Gunslinger Girl is also being insanely slow on the release. I think ADV just doesn't get how to do manga or doesn't really consider it worth making a real effort, although their releases of CC and Gunslinger Girl are nicely done.

[absinthe]

When anime/manga were in their golden age, it seemed like ADV gobbled up the rights to alot of manga, but never really managed selling said manga right.

They seemed too eager to purchase, but didn't have much follow through. "Yes, let's saturate the market! And not let our competitors get ahold of these titles!"

This is just my 2 cents.

[Anime_Fire]

I wish they'd release it, I really loved this series. It seems the manga I like anymore are getting cancelled or released practically annually only (Your and My Secret, Slayers novels, Kindaichi). How long is this series, anyway?

[darkhunter]

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Ok, thanks for the heads up. I guess I won't be buying any more manga from ADV anymore, that is if they even release any new manga.

Edit: just checked the GN Comparison Chart, looks like ADV really likes to cancel lots of manga, why do they even bother starting something they won't finish. They should just stick to anime DVDs IMHO.

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Because those manga flopped at the bookstore. If it doesn't make money, than no reason to continue producing it and take a lost. ADV still continue to release their popular title, but the bad-seller are the one that are on hiatus.

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I don't know about that either. Isn't Chrono Crusade pretty popular? And Peacemaker? They haven't even finished those yet.

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Uh, they're still releasing CC and FMP in march. Cromartie high v. 5 was just released recently. I don't know about PMK, but like I said, it's probably not one of their popular selling title. Seem like ADV is taking their sweet time and focuses on manga that sell a certain volume of books. They do have a lot of title that people don't want.

[jlazar]

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When anime/manga were in their golden age, it seemed like ADV gobbled up the rights to alot of manga, but never really managed selling said manga right.

They seemed too eager to purchase, but didn't have much follow through. "Yes, let's saturate the market! And not let our competitors get ahold of these titles!

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I like to refer to ADV Manga's approach as:

"Throw a lot of manga at the wall at once and see what sticks."

Not enough stuck (and flooded the market with too many vol 1s at once) and now most of their titles are in limbo.

[akcoll99]

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HyugaKojiro said:
Ok, thanks for the heads up. I guess I won't be buying any more manga from ADV anymore, that is if they even release any new manga.

Edit: just checked the GN Comparison Chart, looks like ADV really likes to cancel lots of manga, why do they even bother starting something they won't finish. They should just stick to anime DVDs IMHO.

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Because those manga flopped at the bookstore. If it doesn't make money, than no reason to continue producing it and take a lost. ADV still continue to release their popular title, but the bad-seller are the one that are on hiatus.

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I don't know about that either. Isn't Chrono Crusade pretty popular? And Peacemaker? They haven't even finished those yet.

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Uh, they're still releasing CC and FMP in march. Cromartie high v. 5 was just released recently. I don't know about PMK, but like I said, it's probably not one of their popular selling title. Seem like ADV is taking their sweet time and focuses on manga that sell a certain volume of books. They do have a lot of title that people don't want.

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It's kind of sad that the last set of solicitations in Diamond's Previews included NO new listings from ADV, just some re-lists. That said, they currently have scheduled (or have recently released)volumes of RAY, Orphen, Chrono Crusade, 50 Rules For Teenagers, Yotsuba&!, Cromartie High, Anne Freaks, Full Metal Panic! Overload, and the last volume of the regular Full Metal Panic series. They still have sooo much sitting out there, unfinished like Louie The Rune Soldier, Happy Lesson, Aria, etc. or never released in the first place, like Eidron Shadow, Kyrie, Lilith In Wonderland, etc. I think even in this saturated market, ADV could still be marketing and releasing more than they are, but they don't seem to be bothered too much with it, unless they have some big push scheduled for later this year, which I doubt. I don't think ADV even brings a manga rep with them to conventions. It's all very frustrating... /images/graemlins/anger100.gif

[barbapapa]

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Cromartie high v. 5 was just released recently.

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Was it?? o_O

[JeffDM]

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Because those manga flopped at the bookstore. If it doesn't make money, than no reason to continue producing it and take a lost. ADV still continue to release their popular title, but the bad-seller are the one that are on hiatus.

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I understand with the single volumes, but did it take them nine volumes to decide Kurumi wasn't sticking? Just two more and they would have completed the entire series. They didn't learn from their Music division, I wonder why they thought they'd flop with yet another business arm.

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darkhunter said:
Because those manga flopped at the bookstore. If it doesn't make money, than no reason to continue producing it and take a lost. ADV still continue to release their popular title, but the bad-seller are the one that are on hiatus.

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I understand with the single volumes, but did it take them nine volumes to decide Kurumi wasn't sticking? Just two more and they would have completed the entire series. They didn't learn from their Music division, I wonder why they thought they'd flop with yet another business arm.

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All I know is that if they're releasing a manga I want now I won't even touch it until I know for sure they will actually release all the volumes. So now they've started this vicious cycle which basically means I won't buy any ADV manga anymore.

[barbapapa]

I wish I could say the same, but Cromartie is like a drug to me. Even if ADV wont finish it (damn them to hell if so); I will still like a junkie in rehab keep buying every volume of it. /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

[jejune]

I will buy any volumes of any of the MANY unfinished series that they should choose to release, just for one more hit of something I enjoyed. That, and by supporting these releases it increases the chances that they will actually continue them.

A few minutes of fun and a little hope is better than depriving myself out of fear of being deprived. The most I could lose is six bucks and an hour of my time.

[HyugaKojiro]

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I will buy any volumes of any of the MANY unfinished series that they should choose to release, just for one more hit of something I enjoyed. That, and by supporting these releases it increases the chances that they will actually continue them.

A few minutes of fun and a little hope is better than depriving myself out of fear of being deprived. The most I could lose is six bucks and an hour of my time.

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Then you should check out Your and my Secret, it was one hell of a ride while it lasted. It left you craving for more, which is obviously the bad part considering the situation. While I get your point about every sale counting, its pretty obvious that as an individual you'd have to be rich in order to keep ADV from canceling a series, you'd have to buy thousands of copies in fact. And for that amount of money you can hire a professional team to translate the book for you. As for your and my secret I'm hoping that it gets released in Germany, it seems that duck price (which I haven't read yet btw) is being released by Carlsen very soon and if it sells they might bring over more of Ai Morinaga works. Right now I'm praying to god that ADV doesn't license the Gantz manga, since it's already been canned in Germany, I have no alternative hope for that if they can it. Please Dark Horse pick this up, please, please, please, before ADV gets their hands on it.

Another fact that leaves me wondering is why on earth ADV license Your and my secret to begin with. Right now there are only 3 volumes in Japan, so when ADV licensed it there were most likely only one or two volumes out, so what in the name of jesus were they thinking, they basically set the series up to fail.

well my rant ends here, even I need sleep.

[populuxe]

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HyugaKojiro said:
While I get your point about every sale counting, its pretty obvious that as an individual you'd have to be rich in order to keep ADV from canceling a series, you'd have to buy thousands of copies in fact.

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She doesn't need to buy thousands of copies. She just needs to be one in a few thousand, like you and me, who bought the book. Every sale does count, which is why I never worry if a title is going to be cancelled. If I want it, I buy it. If it gets cancelled, that's a bummer, but I still got a book I liked. I'd rather take a chance on it succeeding than contribute to it's failure.

[darkhunter]

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HyugaKojiro said:
While I get your point about every sale counting, its pretty obvious that as an individual you'd have to be rich in order to keep ADV from canceling a series, you'd have to buy thousands of copies in fact.

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She doesn't need to buy thousands of copies. She just needs to be one in a few thousand, like you and me, who bought the book. Every sale does count, which is why I never worry if a title is going to be cancelled. If I want it, I buy it. If it gets cancelled, that's a bummer, but I still got a book I liked. I'd rather take a chance on it succeeding than contribute to it's failure.

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And I think that's why it's really counterproductive when someone decide to boycott the whole company when one of their title is put on hiatus.

Also I wonder what's the percentage of title in Japan being cancle, cut short, or never reach graphic novel form due to poor feedback/rating.

[Mrdini]

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While I get your point about every sale counting, its pretty obvious that as an individual you'd have to be rich in order to keep ADV from canceling a series, you'd have to buy thousands of copies in fact.

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She doesn't need to buy thousands of copies. She just needs to be one in a few thousand, like you and me, who bought the book. Every sale does count, which is why I never worry if a title is going to be cancelled. If I want it, I buy it. If it gets cancelled, that's a bummer, but I still got a book I liked. I'd rather take a chance on it succeeding than contribute to it's failure.

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This is very true, and I do tend to follow this policy with other companies. But ADV.... well, let's say their track record isn't too hot, so if I see a title that I'm "iffy" on - straight back on the shelf, it goes. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif With other publishers - it's a "Buy" /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

(Iffy as in not sure if I'll like it or not)

[jlazar]

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And I think that's why it's really counterproductive when someone decide to boycott the whole company when one of their title is put on hiatus.


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Well, ADV put most of their manga titles on hiatus, not just Your and My Secret.

As for boycotting ADV Manga... there's not much left to boycott. I'm getting Yotsuba, but that's it until they actually release something else I want.

[populuxe]

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But ADV.... well, let's say their track record isn't too hot, so if I see a title that I'm "iffy" on - straight back on the shelf, it goes. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif With other publishers - it's a "Buy" /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

(Iffy as in not sure if I'll like it or not)

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That's fine. I was specifically talking about titles a person would want to buy but pass on because they're afraid it will get cancelled. That's just guaranteeing it will fail.

[JeffDM]

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And I think that's why it's really counterproductive when someone decide to boycott the whole company when one of their title is put on hiatus.

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One of their titles? It is easier to count the titles that ADV didn't cancel or postpone, so I don't understand the relevance of this comment in the overall thread.

[darkhunter]

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And I think that's why it's really counterproductive when someone decide to boycott the whole company when one of their title is put on hiatus.

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One of their titles? It is easier to count theand th titles that ADV didn't cancel or postpone, so I don't understand the relevance of this comment in the overall thread.

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And I think that's why it's really counterproductive when someone decide to boycott the whole company when one of their title is put on hiatus.


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Well, ADV put most of their manga titles on hiatus, not just Your and My Secret.

As for boycotting ADV Manga... there's not much left to boycott. I'm getting Yotsuba, but that's it until they actually release something else I want.

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YOu guys read the post incorrectly. One of "their" title as in "one of the title the person is collecting", not one of the title the companies is releasing. You're also thinking of ADV but I'm refering to all companies such as Viz with Phoenix, DMP with Worst & IWGP, CPM with Nambul & Geobreeder. I already know ADV has put a lot of title on hiatus. I mention it tons of times before on this forum and I have many of those books that have been put on "hiatus".

An example: a fan is collecting only Aria and it put was hiatus, so the person chooses to boycott the company and even all its anime title in hopes that the companies would release the rest of aria. Boycotting the companies isn't going to help them release the title faster or want to release the title at all--thus it's counterproductive. Instead, I think it's more productive to get more people to buy the books so that the companies are more willing to put the title out?

Now, as long as Viz and CPM bring back Phoenix and Nambul from its hiatus (which they did), I'll continue to buy the title and hope it do well.

[JeffDM]

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An example: a fan is collecting only Aria and it put was hiatus, so the person chooses to boycott the company and even all its anime title in hopes that the companies would release the rest of aria. Boycotting the companies isn't going to help them release the title faster or want to release the title at all--thus it's counterproductive. Instead, I think it's more productive to get more people to buy the books so that the companies are more willing to put the title out?

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As it is, I consider it to be a problem entirely in ADV's hands because they had sorely mismanaged their entry into print, it would be difficult or impossible for fans to haul them out of a quagmire they charged into. Had they taken Del Rey's approach, I don't think this discussion would even exist.

While Del Rey is too young for a track record, I don't think they've cancelled anything yet, they started small with good titles and seem to be gradually growing. ADV simply charged in by flooding the market with too many titles wide ranging in reputed quality, trying to be #1 in a short time, but things usually don't work that way. I struggle to remember the last time TOKYOPOP had cancelled more volumes title due to low sales, though I have to bet that they've been tempted, but thankfully, they had the consistent willingness to finish what they start and I think are more worthy of my purchases. As such, I am more willing to start a new series with them than I would be with ADV. While ADV's actual print and translation work was better than what TOKYOPOP, the entire business side seems to be defunct.

I do think it would be dumb to stop buying ADV videos because of this.

[Vertical_Ed]

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While ADV's actual print and translation work was better than what TOKYOPOP, the entire business side seems to be defunct.

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I guess this is a matter of taste but I feel TP has a very slight edge here. While the print reproduction is not great for TP they do not have the serious alignment problems that ADV Manga have. The only plus for ADV was their willingness (temporarily) to include color plates. Their prints have generally been very dark compared to original prints (i own a lot of ADV's titles and their originals so I can vouch for this).

Having read my share ADV's translations improved quite a bit, so I will give them credit. They had a horrid time with asides and subs for about half a year before righting the ship late 2004. They had their share of Americanizations and even changed name spellings of characters that were featured in their own anime (why???) for a while. But as I said they did improve so I'll give them the advantage there.

I still buy ADV Manga whenever they release something I want to read, but I have to admit I wonder if those $9.99 will be my last on that given series every time I buy from them.

[barbapapa]

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Cromartie high v. 5 was just released recently.

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Was it?? o_O

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No seriously, was it?
Someone needs to answer this or I will throw a fit /images/graemlins/knowital.gif

[HyugaKojiro]

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Cromartie high v. 5 was just released recently.

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Was it?? o_O

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No seriously, was it?
Someone needs to answer this or I will throw a fit /images/graemlins/knowital.gif

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http://www.rightstuf.com/cgi-bin/catalogmgr/oqXOQzSzlOT-82wtXI/browse/item/68419/4/0/0

Not according to TRSI.

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YOu guys read the post incorrectly. One of "their" title as in "one of the title the person is collecting", not one of the title the companies is releasing. You're also thinking of ADV but I'm refering to all companies such as Viz with Phoenix, DMP with Worst & IWGP, CPM with Nambul & Geobreeder. I already know ADV has put a lot of title on hiatus. I mention it tons of times before on this forum and I have many of those books that have been put on "hiatus".

An example: a fan is collecting only Aria and it put was hiatus, so the person chooses to boycott the company and even all its anime title in hopes that the companies would release the rest of aria. Boycotting the companies isn't going to help them release the title faster or want to release the title at all--thus it's counterproductive. Instead, I think it's more productive to get more people to buy the books so that the companies are more willing to put the title out?

Now, as long as Viz and CPM bring back Phoenix and Nambul from its hiatus (which they did), I'll continue to buy the title and hope it do well.

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Well I have stopped buying ADV manga, because they canceled all the titles I was interested in and now I can pass any ADV manga without blinking an eye. Sure it doesn't help and is counterproductive as far as you guys are concerned, but, just what has ADV done to earn my sale? Viz, Tokyopop, Delrey, Dark Horse have many series I want so I won't run out of good manga anytime soon. It's a competitive market and if they can't handle it, that's just too bad, they just don't know how to handle their properties.

[barbapapa]

Our not-buying of ADV's cancelled/stalled/whatever manga is a consequence, not the cause of.

[witega]

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And I think that's why it's really counterproductive when someone decide to boycott the whole company when one of their title is put on hiatus.


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I don't recall anyone ever boycotting an entire company because a single title was put on hiatus. But as far as the current thread goes, not buying ADV manga because they have dropped the great majority of the series they started is not a 'boycott', its simply a sensible response to a proven pattern on their part. While most companies have cancelled titles, the majority of titles do get finished. But with ADV, they've shown absolutely no commitment to trying to finish titles--and the odds are more than 10 to 1 that you will not get a complete series out of them.