Hellsing Ultimate Discussion

[MattSzczerba]

*note: Original poster has been banned which caused the top level post to be deleted.

[Herufaiya]

To be honest, I couldn't be much more disappointed, it turns out, as my fear from reading the manga confirmed, that the anime's quality was almost entirely due to Konaka, Ishii, and whoever the director was, as none of these people were asked back for this project, to create an experience far similar to the manga...well, as reading the manga confirmed...I just don't like it...I'd go more in-depth about all of this, but I've had this discussion so many times, and I don't remember much of any support for this particular view.
So...if you enjoy this show, awesome, one more anime in the world for your enjoyment.

[golthin]

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Herufaiya said:
To be honest, I couldn't be much more disappointed, it turns out, as my fear from reading the manga confirmed, that the anime's quality was almost entirely due to Konaka, Ishii, and whoever the director was, as none of these people were asked back for this project, to create an experience far similar to the manga...well, as reading the manga confirmed...I just don't like it...I'd go more in-depth about all of this, but I've had this discussion so many times, and I don't remember much of any support for this particular view.
So...if you enjoy this show, awesome, one more anime in the world for your enjoyment.

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I was a little disappointed myself. Not about the animation, not about the story, but about the directing. IT is a darn OVA. I awas so annoyed with them putting those ugly dark shadows up Seras skirt.

They also changed two of the locations where events happened. Maybe they wanted to be politically correct and took the first fight out of the church. all around the was not that bad, but didn't live to all the hype.

[Lego]

I also have high expectations for this OVA. Like anything, if you go into something with extremely high expectations, you'll end up being let down. Personally, I think Integra steals the show in episode 1. In the series she was kind of boring and in the background. Here she is making great facial expressions, joking about Victoria, and so forth.

[Herufaiya]

Oh, believe me, I did not go in with high expectations, I went cautiously optimistic, but all I find now is Nakata and the rest of the cast forced to act somewhat emotionally dead characters, and for some reason hard-CG for the weapons?
Why, why?
Though, the one thing I always found interesting about the original manga is that Anderson can pretty easily be taken for a good guy, Konaka diffuses this in episode 3 by giving him a single malicious act, but the source material doesn't make him seem as much more monstrous than his apparent insanity, beyond that it's just canonical politics...
Of course, it has been a bit since I popped in an issue of Hellsing, so I may be way off base on that one...
I just hope the OVA does more with itself, in the end (a good three years from now).
(Oh, I miss the old music)

[Lego]

I liked the preview that they aired on TV. It's probably a love and hate thing. Many didn't like the Hellsing TV series. I'm looking forward to seeing it brought over by Geneon.

[Charred Knight]

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Herufaiya said:
Oh, believe me, I did not go in with high expectations, I went cautiously optimistic, but all I find now is Nakata and the rest of the cast forced to act somewhat emotionally dead characters, and for some reason hard-CG for the weapons?
Why, why?
Though, the one thing I always found interesting about the original manga is that Anderson can pretty easily be taken for a good guy, Konaka diffuses this in episode 3 by giving him a single malicious act, but the source material doesn't make him seem as much more monstrous than his apparent insanity, beyond that it's just canonical politics...
Of course, it has been a bit since I popped in an issue of Hellsing, so I may be way off base on that one...
I just hope the OVA does more with itself, in the end (a good three years from now).
(Oh, I miss the old music)

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Anderson is not supposed to be a bad guy, his the character most like Alucard, a man fighting for his beliefs.

[guyver83]

I dunno, I'm just freaking PUMPED they are making it as close to the manga as possible, to me any more hellsing is good for me.. Careless on all that other stuff you guys talked bout, but again its just me. I'm very easy to please.

[Alucard]

What I don't understand is why so many people think that the Hellsing TV Series is not good. Sure, it is different than the manga, but that doesn't mean it is not good. Especially Ishii's music is great (some of the best songs I ever heard).

About the OVA, I find the character designs a little weird (the TV series had better designs in my opinion), but other than that it's very nice.

[Vicserr]

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Alucard said:
What I don't understand is why so many people think that the Hellsing TV Series is not good. Sure, it is different than the manga, but that doesn't mean it is not good. Especially Ishii's music is great (some of the best songs I ever heard).

About the OVA, I find the character designs a little weird (the TV series had better designs in my opinion), but other than that it's very nice.

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Well, it's this group of "fiends" /images/graemlins/wink.gif /images/graemlins/tongue.gif called manga readers that demand that an anime adaptation of a property stay as close to the manga as posible, without any deviation whatsoever, anything else is considered crappy filler, the thing is that if you're just an anime viewer (like me) that doesn't read manga you won't notice this and won't get your panties in a bunch because of these filler stories, for example Manga readers denounce with a passion the final season of Rurouni Kenshin tv, as the storylines don't originate from the manga, I saw them and I find them ok

Seems that our current resident malcontent got the post deleted treatment /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Captain Impulse]

I agree with you on that Vicserr since I'm not a heavy manga reader, but I guess I can see how some people would be annoyed if a series didn't stay faithful to the manga. But then again if it does, where does the surprise come from? If you already know what's going to happen, why bother watching? Guess I've never been in that situation to know, so I probably shouldn't comment. Personally, I think I'd rather like the surprise of fresh new material.

Alternatively, I've had it the other way around, where I've read a manga after seeing a series (my preferred method): Cowboy Bebop, Azumanga Daioh, Ghost in the Shell, and a few more. Other than Azumanga Daioh, there is plenty of material in the other manga I read that did not appear in the anime adaptation. For this I was thankful; not only did I not retread through something I'd already experienced in another format, but now I had a fresh story with the same characters I'd grown to love.

I AM a little annoyed that the Kenshin release in the US is missing two episodes however (of course, they were produced a while later than the actual end of the run I believe, and thus probably weren't included in MB's license).

[Vicserr]

Most of the time is the nature of the beast, an anime adaptation must be produced while the manga is hot and in print... as an anime will eat up at the manga property pretty quickly unless the manga series has a pretty big run before the anime got greenlighted.

The anime writers have to come up with stories to fill up the time to give the mangaka more time to get more material for them to animate... sometimes you have to live with the reality that filler material is almost a necesity of the current anime scene IMHO YMMV /images/graemlins/happy.gif

[Turvy]

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They also changed two of the locations where events happened. Maybe they wanted to be politically correct and took the first fight out of the church. all around the was not that bad, but didn't live to all the hype.

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... except the church was a Gonzo fabrication.
Hellsing ultimate is an awesome almost 1:1 rendition of the manga, unlike the dreck Gonzo pushed out (don't get me started on devil Shed (http://web.archive.org/web/20020803232946/hellsing.madtech.net/featuresshed.html) =p).

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The anime writers have to come up with stories to fill up the time to give the mangaka more time to get more material for them to animate...


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Except that in the Gonzo TV series, they just didn't want to do the whole Nazi thing from the manga and invented random filler instead.

[AnnaSartin]

From what I can tell people here seem to be having a decent conversation, so why on Earth did the main topic get deleated??? /images/graemlins/stunned0.gif

[wrex]

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Anna Sartin said:
From what I can tell people here seem to be having a decent conversation, so why on Earth did the main topic get deleated??? /images/graemlins/stunned0.gif

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Looks like the dude got banned, thus all of his posts got deleted, whether trollish or not.

[Vicserr]

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Turvy said:

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Vicserr said:
The anime writers have to come up with stories to fill up the time to give the mangaka more time to get more material for them to animate...


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Except that in the Gonzo TV series, they just didn't want to do the whole Nazi thing from the manga and invented random filler instead.

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I was talking about the nature of filler episodes in general althought I wonder why Gonzo didn't do the nazi storyline, nazis are fun, specially when they get what they deserve /images/graemlins/devil.gif

[Turvy]

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Vicserr said:
I was talking about the nature of filler episodes in general althought I wonder why Gonzo didn't do the nazi storyline, nazis are fun, specially when they get what they deserve /images/graemlins/devil.gif

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Yeah, I know, I just applied it to the tv series /images/graemlins/wink.gif
Nazis are always fun. They make everything better!
Example: worst (well, less good than the other two /images/graemlins/wink.gif) indy movie? Temple of doom. Why? No nazis! /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

[duckroll]

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Herufaiya said:
To be honest, I couldn't be much more disappointed, it turns out, as my fear from reading the manga confirmed, that the anime's quality was almost entirely due to Konaka, Ishii, and whoever the director was, as none of these people were asked back for this project, to create an experience far similar to the manga...well, as reading the manga confirmed...I just don't like it...I'd go more in-depth about all of this, but I've had this discussion so many times, and I don't remember much of any support for this particular view.
So...if you enjoy this show, awesome, one more anime in the world for your enjoyment.

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Wow if you don't like manga at all, you expected to like an OVA which plans to remake the show to be INDENTICAL to the manga? I'm a huge fan of the manga and I LOVE the OVA, but it just baffles me what you would think you would like the OVA if as you said you preferred the TV series over the manga. :D

[Texhnolyze]

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Alucard said:
What I don't understand is why so many people think that the Hellsing TV Series is not good. Sure, it is different than the manga, but that doesn't mean it is not good. Especially Ishii's music is great (some of the best songs I ever heard).

About the OVA, I find the character designs a little weird (the TV series had better designs in my opinion), but other than that it's very nice.

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The anime TV series WAS good until it moved away from the manga which was about halfway through then it turned to complete & utter crap, especially the ending.

[Charred Knight]

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Alucard said:
What I don't understand is why so many people think that the Hellsing TV Series is not good. Sure, it is different than the manga, but that doesn't mean it is not good. Especially Ishii's music is great (some of the best songs I ever heard).

About the OVA, I find the character designs a little weird (the TV series had better designs in my opinion), but other than that it's very nice.

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Alucard looks like Howard Stern in the anime, Integral looks like a man, and Seras' uniform looks silly in the color blue. Also Seras' boobs keep changing size because their not double checking the character designs(this happens a lot in Gonzo shows)

The problem with the anime is

1. The character changes like a complete lack of character development for Anderson
2. The removal of most of the humor(when the highlight of the series is the next episode segment you have problems)
3. Icognito sucks, this isn't compared to the manga, he just plain sucks, his design is god awful

[Herufaiya]

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Herufaiya said:
To be honest, I couldn't be much more disappointed, it turns out, as my fear from reading the manga confirmed, that the anime's quality was almost entirely due to Konaka, Ishii, and whoever the director was, as none of these people were asked back for this project, to create an experience far similar to the manga...well, as reading the manga confirmed...I just don't like it...I'd go more in-depth about all of this, but I've had this discussion so many times, and I don't remember much of any support for this particular view.
So...if you enjoy this show, awesome, one more anime in the world for your enjoyment.

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Wow if you don't like manga at all, you expected to like an OVA which plans to remake the show to be INDENTICAL to the manga? I'm a huge fan of the manga and I LOVE the OVA, but it just baffles me what you would think you would like the OVA if as you said you preferred the TV series over the manga. :D

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Because, in the end, there is still a necessary and relevant correlation between TV and the Hellsing manga, and I was seeing if they'd recaptured enough of the series for my tastes. I figured, with the original cast back it was at least worth a shot, and who knows, it may yet be, but increasingly clearly(eek) not for the same reasons I enjoyed the anime.

[Lego]

I wonder where my Integra post went..

Anyway, that is one of my reasons for really likeing the OVA, Integra. She just seems much more lively this time. I love her facial expressions /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

[Charred Knight]

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Herufaiya said:

Because, in the end, there is still a necessary and relevant correlation between TV and the Hellsing manga, and I was seeing if they'd recaptured enough of the series for my tastes. I figured, with the original cast back it was at least worth a shot, and who knows, it may yet be, but increasingly clearly(eek) not for the same reasons I enjoyed the anime.

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What reasons did you enjoy the anime? The character designs where awful, the animation was awful, the writing was awful, and the entire second half only manages to prevent a sequel from being made.

[Herufaiya]

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Herufaiya said:

Because, in the end, there is still a necessary and relevant correlation between TV and the Hellsing manga, and I was seeing if they'd recaptured enough of the series for my tastes. I figured, with the original cast back it was at least worth a shot, and who knows, it may yet be, but increasingly clearly(eek) not for the same reasons I enjoyed the anime.

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What reasons did you enjoy the anime? The character designs where awful, the animation was awful, the writing was awful, and the entire second half only manages to prevent a sequel from being made.

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Well, that's quite your opinion, though, isn't it? Try not to treat those like an obvious factoid.
Character designs/Animation: I saw no real issue, lacked depth of detail, but it was one of Gonzo's early forays into CG, if you haven't noticed all studios have issues with CG, be it because of familiarity with tech or low budget, look at Pierrot(Yojimbo) and Madhouse's(Gungrave) CG failures, it ain't easy. I think the fights were well realized as they were, otherwise I wouldn't have enjoyed them quite as much, though I'm sure you'll take that to mean I have some level of "low" taste, that is, after all, you.
Writing: Yeah, character development and clever re-ordering and realization of the original manga is bad, we should always stick to the source, never try to break free. The anime gave the series deeper character relations on different levels, and taking characters that seemed somewhat 1D and giving them new purpose. It even added characters like Fargason to give Seras self-realization, as it was Fargason who would help Seras to realize her real potential, whereas in the manga the closest thing Seras gets to slef-realization is from killing...yet more monsters...yay.
As for the end, the manga was nowhere near done, so he summoned up some African and European lore and turned them into a new and interesting storyline, that in no way prevented a sequel, especially considering that beautiful question they ended the series on.
I love the original Hellsing anime, I love Konaka's writing(in general), and so mixing the two and giving me a highly enjoyable series with surprising depth is, to me, a "good" thing.

[Helschadenfreude]

Er.. Sera is more likeable and cooler in the manga.... Plus she has that mercenary dude... who <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>well end up drinking his blood in the end, but it made her accept herself </span>

[Charred Knight]

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Herufaiya said:

Well, that's quite your opinion, though, isn't it? Try not to treat those like an obvious factoid.
Character designs/Animation: I saw no real issue, lacked depth of detail, but it was one of Gonzo's early forays into CG, if you haven't noticed all studios have issues with CG, be it because of familiarity with tech or low budget, look at Pierrot(Yojimbo) and Madhouse's(Gungrave) CG failures, it ain't easy. I think the fights were well realized as they were, otherwise I wouldn't have enjoyed them quite as much, though I'm sure you'll take that to mean I have some level of "low" taste, that is, after all, you.
Writing: Yeah, character development and clever re-ordering and realization of the original manga is bad, we should always stick to the source, never try to break free. The anime gave the series deeper character relations on different levels, and taking characters that seemed somewhat 1D and giving them new purpose. It even added characters like Fargason to give Seras self-realization, as it was Fargason who would help Seras to realize her real potential, whereas in the manga the closest thing Seras gets to slef-realization is from killing...yet more monsters...yay.
As for the end, the manga was nowhere near done, so he summoned up some African and European lore and turned them into a new and interesting storyline, that in no way prevented a sequel, especially considering that beautiful question they ended the series on.
I love the original Hellsing anime, I love Konaka's writing(in general), and so mixing the two and giving me a highly enjoyable series with surprising depth is, to me, a "good" thing.

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You clearly where not paying attention when Alucard told Seras that she's only good enough for "police girl". He will only call her "Seras Victoria" when she realizes her full potential.

As for character depth, I don't see how potraying Enrico as an idiot(betraying a promising alliance to kill a single vampire), or Alexander as evil is character depth.

Character depth is the scene where Anderson questions Enrico's methods

[golthin]

Does anyone how you spell police girl or the Kanji for it?
I have been trying to find the Kanji or find the spelling and have not been able. This is the only thing I have found, è*¦å¯Ÿã?®å¥³ã?®å*? in bable fish but I don't think that is what they are using in hellsing.

[wrex]

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golthin said:
Does anyone how you spell police girl or the Kanji for it?
I have been trying to find the Kanji or find the spelling and have not been able. This is the only thing I have found, è*¦å¯Ÿã?®å¥³ã?®å*? in bable fish but I don't think that is what they are using in hellsing.

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婦人è*¦å®˜ (fu-jin-kei-kan) or as used in Hellsing, 婦è*¦ (which is just the short form of the former). However, they don't use those terms in real life these days as they don't want to be discriminatory. Therefore, it should just be è*¦å®˜ (kei-kan).

[Herufaiya]

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Charred Knight said:
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Herufaiya said:

Well, that's quite your opinion, though, isn't it? Try not to treat those like an obvious factoid.
Character designs/Animation: I saw no real issue, lacked depth of detail, but it was one of Gonzo's early forays into CG, if you haven't noticed all studios have issues with CG, be it because of familiarity with tech or low budget, look at Pierrot(Yojimbo) and Madhouse's(Gungrave) CG failures, it ain't easy. I think the fights were well realized as they were, otherwise I wouldn't have enjoyed them quite as much, though I'm sure you'll take that to mean I have some level of "low" taste, that is, after all, you.
Writing: Yeah, character development and clever re-ordering and realization of the original manga is bad, we should always stick to the source, never try to break free. The anime gave the series deeper character relations on different levels, and taking characters that seemed somewhat 1D and giving them new purpose. It even added characters like Fargason to give Seras self-realization, as it was Fargason who would help Seras to realize her real potential, whereas in the manga the closest thing Seras gets to slef-realization is from killing...yet more monsters...yay.
As for the end, the manga was nowhere near done, so he summoned up some African and European lore and turned them into a new and interesting storyline, that in no way prevented a sequel, especially considering that beautiful question they ended the series on.
I love the original Hellsing anime, I love Konaka's writing(in general), and so mixing the two and giving me a highly enjoyable series with surprising depth is, to me, a "good" thing.

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You clearly where not paying attention when Alucard told Seras that she's only good enough for "police girl". He will only call her "Seras Victoria" when she realizes her full potential.

As for character depth, I don't see how potraying Enrico as an idiot(betraying a promising alliance to kill a single vampire), or Alexander as evil is character depth.

Character depth is the scene where Anderson questions Enrico's methods

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What were you trying to say with that first part, that happens in the anime as well.
Admittedly Enrico got the shaft, but, as I said the manga was barely running at this point and it was hard to say who Enrico was, besides, with just the mysterious Freaks as enemies that simply isn't enough, as I saw the manga, Anderson isn't really a good guy, though, he's still quite the unstable satanist, so, Konaka gave Anderson one simple action to define him as evil, and the left the ambiguity to us.
As for when Anderson questions Enrico's methods, though it has been awhile I don't remember feeling any sort of "pivotal" sense to that moment, Anderson was played more as a violent detective than anything else, a lapdog to no one but God, so for him to question Enrico seemed inevitable if they simply crossed paths.
Besides, my point is the artistic way in which Konaka rewrote many of them as characters, now, if you would please stop calling my "opinions" wrong, that would just be super.

[golthin]

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wrex said:
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golthin said:
Does anyone how you spell police girl or the Kanji for it?
I have been trying to find the Kanji or find the spelling and have not been able. This is the only thing I have found, è*¦å¯Ÿã?®å¥³ã?®å*? in bable fish but I don't think that is what they are using in hellsing.

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婦人è*¦å®˜ (fu-jin-kei-kan) or as used in Hellsing, 婦è*¦ (which is just the short form of the former). However, they don't use those terms in real life these days as they don't want to be discriminatory. Therefore, it should just be è*¦å®˜ (kei-kan).

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Thanks a lot! I knew it sound it as Fukei but my dictionaries didn't have anything like that.

[duckroll]

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Herufaiya said:
What were you trying to say with that first part, that happens in the anime as well.
Admittedly Enrico got the shaft, but, as I said the manga was barely running at this point and it was hard to say who Enrico was, besides, with just the mysterious Freaks as enemies that simply isn't enough, as I saw the manga, Anderson isn't really a good guy, though, he's still quite the unstable satanist, so, Konaka gave Anderson one simple action to define him as evil, and the left the ambiguity to us.
As for when Anderson questions Enrico's methods, though it has been awhile I don't remember feeling any sort of "pivotal" sense to that moment, Anderson was played more as a violent detective than anything else, a lapdog to no one but God, so for him to question Enrico seemed inevitable if they simply crossed paths.
Besides, my point is the artistic way in which Konaka rewrote many of them as characters, now, if you would please stop calling my "opinions" wrong, that would just be super.

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I respect your opinion but it's pretty silly seeing how you repeatedly play up Konaka's "artistic improvements" on the Hellsing manga when it has been revealed in interviews that the person making up all the stuff in the TV anime was the director who signed on for the job and then literally freaked when he read the manga and saw all the Nazi stuff. Konaka's only "artistic" contribution to the project is how he salvaged the project by rewriting and making up stuff per the director's request to remove any of the weirder and more offensive elements of Hellsing manga from the TV anime. He didn't do a terrible job, but my distaste in the Hellsing TV series aside from the pretty awful animation is the complete cowardance of the team. :D

[Herufaiya]

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Herufaiya said:
What were you trying to say with that first part, that happens in the anime as well.
Admittedly Enrico got the shaft, but, as I said the manga was barely running at this point and it was hard to say who Enrico was, besides, with just the mysterious Freaks as enemies that simply isn't enough, as I saw the manga, Anderson isn't really a good guy, though, he's still quite the unstable satanist, so, Konaka gave Anderson one simple action to define him as evil, and the left the ambiguity to us.
As for when Anderson questions Enrico's methods, though it has been awhile I don't remember feeling any sort of "pivotal" sense to that moment, Anderson was played more as a violent detective than anything else, a lapdog to no one but God, so for him to question Enrico seemed inevitable if they simply crossed paths.
Besides, my point is the artistic way in which Konaka rewrote many of them as characters, now, if you would please stop calling my "opinions" wrong, that would just be super.

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I respect your opinion but it's pretty silly seeing how you repeatedly play up Konaka's "artistic improvements" on the Hellsing manga when it has been revealed in interviews that the person making up all the stuff in the TV anime was the director who signed on for the job and then literally freaked when he read the manga and saw all the Nazi stuff. Konaka's only "artistic" contribution to the project is how he salvaged the project by rewriting and making up stuff per the director's request to remove any of the weirder and more offensive elements of Hellsing manga from the TV anime. He didn't do a terrible job, but my distaste in the Hellsing TV series aside from the pretty awful animation is the complete cowardance of the team. :D

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I don't judge people behind a project I don't know, so calling them cowards hardly seems fair, and, in the end, I suppose the relevance of the changes and Konaka's writings were rather a veil for me simply saying the following:
I love the Hellsing anime.
I love it's writing.
I love it's take.
I love the actors in the show.
I am largely indifferent towards the animation.
I love the music.

I can hardly put it better than that, I've rarely had anyone agree with me on my take on the show, but that's really alright, it's fun, it has depth of character, and the storyline enough in its execution, though I won't accuse it of being as multi-faceted as the manga.
I never really understood why, though, that people are so edgy on this subject, of course, if you feel like tracking back my earlier posts(I don't have that many) you might find an interesting topic about Tenjho Tenge where I had a similar problem.
This reminds me terribly of Chris Farley...
In any case, here's my sum-up, the qualities that I appreciated of the original Hellsing anime are somewhat lacking in the the new OAV, though I am curious to see the OAV's take on the manga and where the manga itself will go in the next few years as it begins to wrap-up.

[Shiroi Hane]

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Turvy said:Hellsing ultimate is an awesome almost 1:1 rendition of the manga, unlike the dreck Gonzo pushed out (don't get me started on devil Shed (http://web.archive.org/web/20020803232946/hellsing.madtech.net/featuresshed.html) =p).

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I don't see how you can blame bad fansubbing on Gonzo.

[Turvy]

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Turvy said:Hellsing ultimate is an awesome almost 1:1 rendition of the manga, unlike the dreck Gonzo pushed out (don't get me started on devil Shed (http://web.archive.org/web/20020803232946/hellsing.madtech.net/featuresshed.html) =p).

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I don't see how you can blame bad fansubbing on Gonzo.

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Thanks for missing my point entirely /images/graemlins/wink.gif
I don't blame Gonzo for the bad fansubbing, I blame them for adding Incognito and Set. The use of "devil Shed" is just a running joke that personifies one of the things that are wrong with the Gonzo version.
Ask duckroll, HE understands =p

[DeadlyMessiah]

Personally, I will wait until this is released here before I watch it. I just don't think it is worth the price, and without the dub. Hopefully Geneon will dub it properly since that was the best part about the anime (and please, no more Crispin Freeman debates). I am looking forward to this OVA, and I can't wait to see what it does different from the anime, and I hope the music is better. Granted, the music in the anime was good to a point, but after a while, it just felt boring.

I think the problem with some of you though is that you're used to watching the anime series, whereas this is different from it. I couldn't really get into the manga, but that is because I'm not too big of a manga reader (I really only read Yu-Gi-Oh!, Berserk, and Angel Sanctuary).