My~ZHiME (My~Otome) Thread XII ~The Protector, Song, and Conductor~ [Archive]

Suwako Moriya

02-19-2006, 09:03 PM

All right then it's time to start the new thread for My~Otome this time I'm choosing the title. It took a minute or two to decide a new title, but I believe this one should work. In any case here is the link to the previous thread (http://forums.animeondvd.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=1&Number=1268804&page=0&view= collapsed&sb=5&o=&vc=1) .

In any case just seven episodes remain. So the final truth about several characters will be known soon. Whatever those may be. Plus the most burning question. Will Mai ever appear in the series? Yeah my confidence in her appearing is completely gone. Okay maybe not the most important question. However I don't have time for any other questions.

Fencedude

02-19-2006, 09:04 PM

Good choice.

Lego

02-19-2006, 09:09 PM

I'm starting to wonder if Mai will pull a Arika and just show up at the end of the series /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Suwako Moriya

02-19-2006, 09:13 PM

Maybe what happens is near the end of episode 26 a bunch of villains plan a surprise attack, but Mai comes in and destroys them all. All without Arika or anyone else knowing. Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. Still seriously if Mai were to appear at the last moment that would be evil and cruel of them. Especially since I like to nick name Mai "Kamen Rider Mai" due to the opening. She still needs a mask though.

something

02-19-2006, 09:47 PM

Some of you watch those previews that skip ahead a few eps or whatever they are, and thus might know some stuff I don't, so if so, don't tell me... I've only seen 19. But with that aside, does anyone think Tomoe might not nearly as much of a "villian" role from here on out than we might think based on the op? (Or, I dunno, maybe that was just me still thinking it until last ep)

Sure, it looks like she's going to willingly accept to become part of Nagi's bizarro-Otome harem and all, but it's becoming increasingly clear that her role (probably) is simply as shallow as "Git yo hands offa my woman Shizuru, mmmmhmmmmmm bitches!" after all. By that I mean, she doesnt seem to be involved in the protector/song/conductor drama, nor the "Who is the Queen?", nor does she have any real ties to Sergey or Arika or Nina or Aswad or Schwarz or Rena or anything that we have been able to discern so far. So her motivation as we can tell right now really is just her longing for Shizuru's sweet sweet embrace. About the only real source of mystery left with Tomoe that comes to mind is why Miya was so subservient and didn't try to rat her out.

So, I can see her causing some trouble and maybe even dying in some misguided attempt to impress/save Shizuru, but I don't think we'll see her do too much besides that. And if anything, her main focus of hatred should be Nina now, not Arika. Nina is the traitor who sided with Nagi, who has thrown Shizuru in prison.

Anyway, I still don't like Tomoe but if I'm proven wrong on how big her coming role will be, it'll be interesting to see exactly how wrong I am.

Fencedude

02-19-2006, 09:52 PM

I think there is...something about Tomoe that we don't know. I'm not certain what exactly it'll be, but I'm very interested in finding out her motivation for...everything she does.

Charred Knight

02-20-2006, 05:54 AM

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I think there is...something about Tomoe that we don't know. I'm not certain what exactly it'll be, but I'm very interested in finding out her motivation for...everything she does.

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Its to have sex with Shizuru that's it, she will do anything to impress Shizuru including murdering rivals.

Nork22

02-20-2006, 06:20 AM

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Charred Knight said:
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Fencedude said:
I think there is...something about Tomoe that we don't know. I'm not certain what exactly it'll be, but I'm very interested in finding out her motivation for...everything she does.

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Its to have sex with Shizuru that's it, she will do anything to impress Shizuru including murdering rivals.

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Agree here. Die Tomoe, DIE!

golthin

02-20-2006, 06:35 AM

I am not sure if I missed this, But was Rena's lover the king that was killed in the previous coup? I think it is implied but I have not heard it comfirm by anyone or I missed it.

something

02-20-2006, 06:57 AM

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Charred Knight said:
Its to have sex with Shizuru that's it, she will do anything to impress Shizuru including murdering rivals.

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That's why I'm thinking either 1) Shizuru manages to stop her before she does anything toooo crazy, 2) she realizes who the real enemy is because she has to know who Shizuru sides with... or maybe neither and 3) she's just so crazy that she DOES become a big villian as her mind snaps beneath the weight of her desire for hot lesbian sex with Shizuru >_> I dunno.

golthin

02-20-2006, 07:16 AM

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Charred Knight said:
Its to have sex with Shizuru that's it, she will do anything to impress Shizuru including murdering rivals.

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That's why I'm thinking either 1) Shizuru manages to stop her before she does anything toooo crazy, 2) she realizes who the real enemy is because she has to know who Shizuru sides with... or maybe neither and 3) she's just so crazy that she DOES become a big villian as her mind snaps beneath the weight of her desire for hot lesbian sex with Shizuru >_> I dunno.

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Nah! She gets rejected by Shizuru and then goes postal and someone kills her. /images/graemlins/devil.gif

Fencedude

02-20-2006, 07:44 AM

golthin

02-20-2006, 09:27 AM

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Fencedude said:
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golthin said:
I am not sure if I missed this, But was Rena's lover the king that was killed in the previous coup? I think it is implied but I have not heard it comfirm by anyone or I missed it.

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No, unless the king was cheating on the queen.

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So it is unknown who was Rena's husband/lover in the show yet? Just making sure because I tend to sometime miss things when I get distracted by other things.

Rogueman_8

02-20-2006, 10:41 AM

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golthin said:
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Fencedude said:
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golthin said:
I am not sure if I missed this, But was Rena's lover the king that was killed in the previous coup? I think it is implied but I have not heard it comfirm by anyone or I missed it.

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No, unless the king was cheating on the queen.

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So it is unknown who was Rena's husband/lover in the show yet? Just making sure because I tend to sometime miss things when I get distracted by other things.

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her husband's probably Seiichiro Shiba/Siva (from the SS CF GPX games) /images/graemlins/tongue.gif /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif.

golthin

02-20-2006, 11:20 AM

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golthin said:
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Fencedude said:
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golthin said:
I am not sure if I missed this, But was Rena's lover the king that was killed in the previous coup? I think it is implied but I have not heard it comfirm by anyone or I missed it.

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No, unless the king was cheating on the queen.

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So it is unknown who was Rena's husband/lover in the show yet? Just making sure because I tend to sometime miss things when I get distracted by other things.

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her husband's probably Seiichiro Shiba/Siva (from the SS CF GPX games) /images/graemlins/tongue.gif /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif.

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hehehe! Come on! /images/graemlins/stunned0.gif

DiGiKerot

02-20-2006, 11:47 AM

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golthin said:
I am not sure if I missed this, But was Rena's lover the king that was killed in the previous coup? I think it is implied but I have not heard it comfirm by anyone or I missed it.

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On a random but vaguely related note, wasn't it mentioned that the Shinso has to be a former Otome who has had children? In that case, I wonder if anyone (*cough*Tomoe*cough*) is a direct descendant of Fumi...

mellowrg2

02-20-2006, 11:54 AM

I think Mashiro is more likely.

DiGiKerot

02-20-2006, 01:17 PM

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I think Mashiro is more likely.

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Hmm, yeah, I suppose thats true. Personally, I'd still like to think that Tomoe could turn out to be the real princess of Windbloom, just because I think it'd be funny.

Rhodes

02-20-2006, 01:42 PM

i would agree with mashiro, given the relationship in the previous series and her last name from hime... i always thought that she would be the true queen and now it seems a direct line to fumio. also would explain why the school is in windbloom, if the royal family is related to fumio, i can see em being charged with guarding the school...

ayareiko

02-20-2006, 02:59 PM

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I think Mashiro is more likely.

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Disagree. My bets are on Arika.

My theory: If Arika is a descentant of Fumi, that may explain why Arika almost summoned a meister robe without a master in ep 1.

My theory #2: Fumi is Miyu's original master. Anyone with Fumi's blood in their veins Miyu would see as if they have golden hair. Hence why Miyu sees Arika with golden hair.

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More on theory #2: If Fumi was Miyu's original master, this may also explain why Miyu has near encyclopedic knowledge of the Otome.

Funkatron

02-20-2006, 03:05 PM

I got a wild theory on the whole Rena thing.

What if Rena had an affair with the king??

Which would make her child and the Princess sisters...and both of them princess (though the legitamate one would be the next in line to the throne)

Suwako Moriya

02-20-2006, 04:48 PM

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DiGiKerot said:In that case, I wonder if anyone (*cough*Tomoe*cough*) is a direct descendant of Fumi...

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Hmm you could in a sense have multiple direct descendants of Fumi depending on what happened behind closed doors. In any case that gives me an interesting thought. It's been debated among Arika, Nina, and Mashiro as to who is the princess, who is Rena's daughter and who is the nobody. However it could be very well be possible that the one in the role of being the nobody may instead actually be directly descended from Fumi. Of course being directly descended from Fumi may not mean much. Especially if she's not the only one directly descended from her.

Lego

02-20-2006, 07:12 PM

That could be interesting. If the series is following Hime's way of story telling, a major revelation should be coming up heh.

Vallen Valiant

02-21-2006, 01:13 AM

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Funkatron said:
I got a wild theory on the whole Rena thing.

What if Rena had an affair with the king??

Which would make her child and the Princess sisters...and both of them princess (though the legitamate one would be the next in line to the throne)

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...In that case, the king was an idiot who doomed his own reign by destroying his own military protection for the sake of lust.

I am not sure ANY king would be that dumb. He and the Queen died because they lost their otome. If what you said is true, that king is a dumb goose.

golthin

02-21-2006, 01:29 AM

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Vallen Chaos Valiant said:
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Funkatron said:
I got a wild theory on the whole Rena thing.

What if Rena had an affair with the king??

Which would make her child and the Princess sisters...and both of them princess (though the legitamate one would be the next in line to the throne)

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...In that case, the king was an idiot who doomed his own reign by destroying his own military protection for the sake of lust.

I am not sure ANY king would be that dumb. He and the Queen died because they lost their otome. If what you said is true, that king is a dumb goose.

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He wouldn't have been the first man that messed up big time for thinking with his little head. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Funkatron

02-21-2006, 06:17 AM

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golthin said:
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Vallen Chaos Valiant said:
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Funkatron said:
I got a wild theory on the whole Rena thing.

What if Rena had an affair with the king??

Which would make her child and the Princess sisters...and both of them princess (though the legitamate one would be the next in line to the throne)

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...In that case, the king was an idiot who doomed his own reign by destroying his own military protection for the sake of lust.

I am not sure ANY king would be that dumb. He and the Queen died because they lost their otome. If what you said is true, that king is a dumb goose.

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He wouldn't have been the first man that messed up big time for thinking with his little head. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

[/ QUOTE ]agreed :D. When it comes to lust Monarcs are stuuupid

Lego

02-21-2006, 06:52 AM

Sergey never got "involved" with Rena right? From what I picked up through out the show, it seemed like he had a crush on a older woman.

bobma

02-21-2006, 08:00 AM

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Sergey never got "involved" with Rena right? From what I picked up through out the show, it seemed like he had a crush on a older woman.

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At the time of the attack, where Rena was already with a nearly 1 year old child, Sergey was about 11. Sorry, but gettin 11 year old Sergay involved in anything more than adoration/puppylove crush as far as Rena is concerned, would be beyond ridiculous if you want to keep the story even semi-believable IMHO.

golthin

02-21-2006, 08:59 AM

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Lego said:
Sergey never got "involved" with Rena right? From what I picked up through out the show, it seemed like he had a crush on a older woman.

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At the time of the attack, where Rena was already with a nearly 1 year old child, Sergey was about 11. Sorry, but gettin 11 year old Sergay involved in anything more than adoration/puppylove crush as far as Rena is concerned, would be beyond ridiculous if you want to keep the story even semi-believable IMHO.

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It seemed to me he was a little older that 11. It feels to me that Sergey resents that Rena died the way she did.

bobma

02-21-2006, 11:13 AM

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golthin said:
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Bobma said:
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Lego said:
Sergey never got "involved" with Rena right? From what I picked up through out the show, it seemed like he had a crush on a older woman.

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At the time of the attack, where Rena was already with a nearly 1 year old child, Sergey was about 11. Sorry, but gettin 11 year old Sergay involved in anything more than adoration/puppylove crush as far as Rena is concerned, would be beyond ridiculous if you want to keep the story even semi-believable IMHO.

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It seemed to me he was a little older that 11.

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AFAIK Sergay is 25ish now (don't know where I read that, someone back me up if he/she happens to know) and the attack took place 14 years ago. That would make him 10-12. I really can't see the story going into that direction. Rena finding love with a prepubescent boy, who then goes ahead and fathers a child with her, which results in her giving up her job as the king's Otome? Um, no...

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golthin said:It feels to me that Sergey resents that Rena died the way she did.

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I'm not sure that this comment was in relation to what was previously said, but in case it was, he can resent her way of dying even if he wasn't romantically involved with her.

ayareiko

02-21-2006, 08:47 PM

The Mai-HiME for the PSP website has updated by opening the "Gallery" section. It isn't an image gallery, it's video clips. LOTS of video clips.

Mai-HiME for the PSP Official Website (http://www.suni.jp/contents/mai_hime_baku/index.html)

Rogueman_8

02-21-2006, 08:50 PM

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Aya Reiko said:
The Mai-HiME for the PSP website has updated by opening the "Gallery" section. It isn't an image gallery, it's video clips. LOTS of video clips.

Mai-HiME for the PSP Official Website (http://www.suni.jp/contents/mai_hime_baku/index.html)

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yeah, i posted this news in the r2 section and psp section already as that's where the game is mostly discussed. didn't post it her for THAT reason. anyways, this game looks and plays like crap for the normal avid gamer, it also got crap reviews. oh well /images/graemlins/happy.gif.

golthin

02-21-2006, 11:50 PM

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Rogueman_8 said:
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Aya Reiko said:
The Mai-HiME for the PSP website has updated by opening the "Gallery" section. It isn't an image gallery, it's video clips. LOTS of video clips.

Mai-HiME for the PSP Official Website (http://www.suni.jp/contents/mai_hime_baku/index.html)

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yeah, i posted this news in the r2 section and psp section already as that's where the game is mostly discussed. didn't post it her for THAT reason. anyways, this game looks and plays like crap for the normal avid gamer , it also got crap reviews. oh well /images/graemlins/happy.gif.

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That is probably where the problem is. they didn't make the game for the "AVID GAMER", but for the "AVID "MY-HIME" FAN /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Charred Knight

02-22-2006, 01:09 AM

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disarm said:

That's why I'm thinking either 1) Shizuru manages to stop her before she does anything toooo crazy, 2) she realizes who the real enemy is because she has to know who Shizuru sides with... or maybe neither and 3) she's just so crazy that she DOES become a big villian as her mind snaps beneath the weight of her desire for hot lesbian sex with Shizuru >_> I dunno.

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Im betting on 3 since crazy chicks where popular in both the mai-hime anime(Shizuru, Nao and Shiho) and manga(Yukariko, Alyssa, and Shiho), the only difference I see happening is that all the cases in Mai-hime where temperary insanity(they all got better in the end), where as I see Tomoe going completely off the deep permanatly,

I want to see her pull a combo Shizuru and manga Shiho crazyness. In other words she's calmly killing people(like Shizuru) before she loses it completely(like manga Shiho) in a battle against Natsuki.

She's already pretty nuts as can be seen by her attempted murder of Arika.

Rogueman_8

02-23-2006, 11:35 AM

/images/graemlins/noseblee.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif. wow, pics at 2ch showed some interesting things: fia, arika, mikoto and especially tomoe x shizuru /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif amongst other stuff!! OH YEEAAH BBABY!

Suwako Moriya

02-23-2006, 12:21 PM

I take it by Mikoto, you mean the image of Mikoto in the next time preview. You can easily guess how I feel about that. That better be a real image and not one of those doctored images.

Jigen_Daisuke

02-23-2006, 02:28 PM

Lacus x Cagalli (http://kuma.250free.com/TanakaRieCharacter/TomoeSeducesShizuru_MyOtomeEpisode20.jpg) <spoiler images>

Teenage girl seduces adult woman.

Nork22

02-23-2006, 02:53 PM

Can't wait till Natsuki gives Tomoe a good ass kicking for taking her woman! /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Lego

02-23-2006, 04:59 PM

The thing that I noticed first about that picture was Shizuru's eyes. Notice how this is a lot like what Shizuru did to Natsuki around the same episode?
So Chie goes to visit Sergey eh?

The next episode preview looks pretty good to. It's good to see that we'll get regular Mikoto back. I get a kick out of all the cat stuff in her room. 

Nice shot of Haruka in this episode /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

golthin

02-23-2006, 06:39 PM

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Lacus x Cagalli (http://kuma.250free.com/TanakaRieCharacter/TomoeSeducesShizuru_MyOtomeEpisode20.jpg) <spoiler images>

Teenage girl seduces adult woman.

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It is all an act! Now Tomoe must definetely die!

Dagger

02-23-2006, 06:54 PM

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golthin said:
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ArseneLupinIII said:
Lacus x Cagalli (http://kuma.250free.com/TanakaRieCharacter/TomoeSeducesShizuru_MyOtomeEpisode20.jpg) <spoiler images>

Teenage girl seduces adult woman.

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It is all an act! Now Tomoe must definetely die!

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I dunno... I think I just left the Shizuru/Natsuki camp. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Fencedude

02-23-2006, 06:56 PM

golthin

02-23-2006, 07:40 PM

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ArseneLupinIII said:
Lacus x Cagalli (http://kuma.250free.com/TanakaRieCharacter/TomoeSeducesShizuru_MyOtomeEpisode20.jpg) <spoiler images>

Teenage girl seduces adult woman.

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It is all an act! Now Tomoe must definetely die!

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I dunno... I think I just left the Shizuru/Natsuki camp. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Shizuru/Tomoe opens the way for Mai/Natsuki (a pairing I don't support in HiME, but do in Otome)

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Do you all think that Shizuru is willingly doing this, I know she is a player when it comes to women, but for some reason the pairing annoys me. I don't know why.

Fencedude

02-23-2006, 07:54 PM

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Do you all think that Shizuru is willingly doing this, I know she is a player when it comes to women, but for some reason the pairing annoys me. I don't know why.

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Because you have an irrational hatred of Tomoe.

Nothing wrong with that, I have my fair share of them too, but its coloring your view of everything she does.

Dagger

02-23-2006, 08:02 PM

It's kind of weird. I disliked Tomoe (character design aside) for most of the series so far. And I've never been able to work up quite the same enthusiasm for Shizuru as many other HiME/Otome fans, although I do prefer her Otome incarnation. But together... all of a sudden, they're awesome.

I never really considered Natsuki/Mai, but that has all kinds of possibilities in Otome, now that you mention it.

Either way, I'd like to think that Shizuru is just sort of going with the flow as opposed to deliberately setting out to manipulate/use Tomoe. That would reflect a bit too badly on her.

Shiroi Hane

02-23-2006, 08:05 PM

FWIW, I've made out a few of the missing words on that letter now.

"To President Chrysant

Now, Archduke Nagi governs Guarderobe conjointly and he recruits applicants of artificial Z-HiME, called 'Valkyrie' on the campus.

I'm going to *** 'Valkyrie' and let you know if find ***"

golthin

02-23-2006, 08:10 PM

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Fencedude said:
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golthin said:

Do you all think that Shizuru is willingly doing this, I know she is a player when it comes to women, but for some reason the pairing annoys me. I don't know why.

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Because you have an irrational hatred of Tomoe.

Nothing wrong with that, I have my fair share of them too, but its coloring your view of everything she does.

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I thought that was it, but surprisingly It is not that. I finally put my finger on why it annoys me. I have watched that scene like 10 times, the part that annoys me the most is after they show Natsuki looking up, and then the camaras focus at the bed's top with the sound of clothes coming off.

So it is not Tomoe, anyone would have really annoyed me. If Chie or another girl have been in place of Tomoe that would have bothered me. I was a closet Natsuki/Shizuru fan and didn't know it till now. /images/graemlins/stunned0.gif

golthin

02-23-2006, 08:13 PM

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Dagger said:
Either way, I'd like to think that Shizuru is just sort of going with the flow as opposed to deliberately setting out to manipulate/use Tomoe. That would reflect a bit too badly on her.

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That would make sense! After all, she surrendered to protect the girls. This might be her way to stay close and protect them too.

Shiroi Hane

02-23-2006, 08:29 PM

The way Shiz was looking at the ceiling rather than at Tomoe.. I think it was your basic "lie back and thing of Guarderobe" (or principal thereof in this case) situatuion.

pianocello

02-23-2006, 08:42 PM

Let the Arika x Mashiro yuri fanfics/doujinshi begin!

bobma

02-23-2006, 09:10 PM

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ArseneLupinIII said:
Lacus x Cagalli (http://kuma.250free.com/TanakaRieCharacter/TomoeSeducesShizuru_MyOtomeEpisode20.jpg) <spoiler images>

Teenage girl seduces adult woman.

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It is all an act! Now Tomoe must definetely die!

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I dunno... I think I just left the Shizuru/Natsuki camp. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Though pity that they let the low budget animators out of their cellars for this episode. Half of the time during this episode I got distracted because the characters kept switching between ok and wonky looking (including parts of the Shizuru x Tomoe scenes, to my disappointment). And they had such a good track record until now.

BTW Here's hoping that one of the DVDs will feature an "in character" animated short like "This weeks Armitage", but with a title like "Shizuru's guide to satisfactory bedside manners" or maybe "The private side of Guarderobe"./images/graemlins/shy00000.gif /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

golthin

02-23-2006, 09:22 PM

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Shiroi Hane said:
The way Shiz was looking at the ceiling rather than at Tomoe.. I think it was your basic "lie back and thing of Guarderobe" (or principal thereof in this case) situatuion.

[/ QUOTE ]that was what I thought, also when Tomoe put her hand on shizuru's hand, they made a lbig deal of that by making the clap sound very loud, Just like the sound of clothes coming off.

The symbolism there is that Shizuru keeps her palm open and doesn't close her fingers around Tomoe's hand. I just wanted to see if I was looking too much into those two little hints.

it Seems like Shizuru is playing the role of the inflatable doll there.

pianocello

02-23-2006, 09:39 PM

I think all this Shizuru x Tomoe thingy is supposed to parallel the rape in My:Hime. Shizuru is now the one getting it this time.

golthin

02-23-2006, 09:56 PM

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I think all this Shizuru x Tomoe thingy is supposed to parallel the rape in My:Hime. Shizuru is now the one getting it this time.

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Duh! You are right, I forgot about that! /images/graemlins/stunned0.gif

Suwako Moriya

02-23-2006, 11:59 PM

Heh that's assuming Natsuki even gets the chance. Since there is always a chance one of the two may get killed before they meet up again. Hopefully Mashiro has gained a lot of experience from her interaction with Midori's group.

The next episode is going to be fun for me. The return of human form Mikoto. Heh so Arika is going to rescue Mimi who was part of the group that caused Aoi to die. You just know there is going to be discussion betwee Mimi and Mashiro that's bound to get heated. Maybe Arika will get a chance to play the mediator.

Jigen_Daisuke

02-24-2006, 12:06 AM

There has been much speculation at 2ch on what this cut (http://kuma.250free.com/MyOtome/MyOtomeEpisode21Preview_Shizuru_1.jpg) in the preview for episode 21 means ... if it means anything at all.

One 2ch poster thinks that Tomoe may fantasize about raising a child together with Shizuru, or something to that effect.

Another 2ch poster suggests a baby fetish. (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=baby+fetish)

Weeks before episode 20 aired in Japan, a 2ch poster compared Tomoe Marguerite to Hannibal Lecter and Ted Bundy...

Fencedude

02-24-2006, 12:17 AM

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ArseneLupinIII said:
There has been much speculation at 2ch on what this cut (http://kuma.250free.com/MyOtome/MyOtomeEpisode21Preview_Shizuru_1.jpg) in the preview for episode 21 means ... if it means anything at all.

One 2ch poster thinks that Tomoe may fantasize about raising a child together with Shizuru, or something to that effect.

Another 2ch poster suggests a baby fetish. (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=baby+fetish)

Weeks before episode 20 aired in Japan, a 2ch poster compared Tomoe Marguerite to Hannibal Lecter and Ted Bundy...

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I think that there are some questions better left unanswered.

That image is one of them.

*shudders*

Lego

02-24-2006, 12:34 AM

That is kind of creepy. Although you have to wonder why all the baby stuff is their, seeing that Mashiro is grown up(well to old for most of the baby stuff). You can see diapers and stuff on the floor.

Tomoe is a weird one, possibly weirder then Shizuru got during Hime.

DiGiKerot

02-24-2006, 12:07 PM

The forthnightly Official Site (http://www.my-zhime.net/) update has occured, folks.

New this time:

DVD3 Update - screenshots of the extra, Otomes Lingerie Party (that name says it all). First pressing extra is a "Arika and Nina pinup" apparently.

Assorted new products - only really notable thing is the first Otome drama CD, which I had ordered anyway.

Spoilers updated to episode 22.

Character page update - Check out Shihos for a laugh. Aside from that, the pillar spaces have been filled ("Sara Gallagher"and "Maya Brice"), the Romulus and Remus otome named ("Karla Bellini" and "Laura Bianki") and characters from Anan (King "Gwen Bow" and Otome "Ein Rue"). All name romanisations are mine, and therefore probably wrong ^^;

-edit- Fixing names. Thanks R8!

Rogueman_8

02-24-2006, 12:19 PM

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DiGiKerot said:
The forthnightly Official Site (http://www.my-zhime.net/) update has occured, folks.

New this time:

DVD3 Update - screenshots of the extra, Otomes Lingerie Party (that name says it all). First pressing extra is a "Arika and Nina pinup" apparently.

Assorted new products - only really notable thing is the first Otome drama CD, which I had ordered anyway.

Spoilers updated to episode 22.

Character page update - Check out Shihos for a laugh. Aside from that, the pillar spaces have been filled ("Sara Gyaraga" and "Maya Brice"), the Romulus and Remus otome named ("Karla Berini" and "Laura Bianki") and characters from Anan (King "Gwen Bow" and Otome "Ein Rue"). All name romanisations are mine, and therefore probably wrong ^^;

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yeah, i loved the dvd commercial for omake 3 during ep.20. though that dvd will have to wait. So 'Vega' is Sara from the CF GPX games and OVA. the official Road to infinity actually spells her name 'Sera', but that's their mistake as it is Sara. As for Gyaraga, it's actually Gallagher /images/graemlins/wink.gif.

DiGiKerot

02-24-2006, 12:21 PM

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Rogueman_8 said: As for Gyaraga, it's actually Gallagher /images/graemlins/wink.gif.

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DAMMIT! Thats so bloody obvious I don't know how I missed it.

I hate katakana /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

-edit- Coincidently, Eins VA is down as Ryoko Shintani, same as Aoi.

Rhodes

02-24-2006, 02:05 PM

as pointed out at another site, during the flash with Nina when she 1st met Sergy, you see a capsule that looks like the one Rena sent away down the river.

If it is the same capsule and Nina was the baby inside it... why did Arika have the necklace that Rena left with the baby?

Of course those capsules could be very common but still... with anime shows, if something is shown it often has a meaning behind it.

bobma

02-24-2006, 02:05 PM

Don't know if it had been mentioned around here already, but it seems the DVD release did get some redrawn/upgraded scenes after all.

Fixed art (http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/604/otomedvdtv11jo.jpg)
Less fog (http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/130/otomedvdtv24zi.jpg)
(left DVD, right TV)

This gives me hope for ep20. Nice extra motivation to get the DVDs. I also had a look at the screenshots for the 3rd DVD extra. Seems my prayers have been answered. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

EDIT: Fixed spelling

Rogueman_8

02-24-2006, 02:33 PM

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Bobma said:
Don't know if it had been mentioned around here already, but it seem, the DVD release did get some redrawn/upgraded scenes after all.

Fixed art (http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/604/otomedvdtv11jo.jpg)
Less fog (http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/130/otomedvdtv24zi.jpg)
(left DVD, right TV)

This gives me hope for ep20. Nice extra motivation to get the DVDs. I also had a look at the screenshots for the 3rd DVD extra. Seems my prayers have been answered. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

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this is probably better mentioned in the r2 forum in the 'dvd-exclusives' thread or 'r2 otome' thread. i won't be getting the dvd until monday even though it has arrived in my city (cuz the dhl in my city is being an @$$) but i look forward to the changes. DVD 1 didn't have that much of a difference, then again, i didn't make the side by side comparisons. They did fix the spelling error though.

DiGiKerot

02-24-2006, 02:34 PM

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Bobma said:
Don't know if it had been mentioned around here already, but it seem, the DVD release did get some redrawn/upgraded scenes after all.

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Awesome. I'd noticed they'd corrected the "materiarise!" in the first episode, but I've haven't actually watched the episodes aside from that, or received the second DVD yet (waiting until the 3rd is released). I'm going to have to make the time to check things out properly now.

pianocello

02-24-2006, 05:54 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Bobma said:
Don't know if it had been mentioned around here already, but it seems the DVD release did get some redrawn/upgraded scenes after all.

Fixed art (http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/604/otomedvdtv11jo.jpg)
Less fog (http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/130/otomedvdtv24zi.jpg)
(left DVD, right TV)

This gives me hope for ep20. Nice extra motivation to get the DVDs. I also had a look at the screenshots for the 3rd DVD extra. Seems my prayers have been answered. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

EDIT: Fixed spelling

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What's the point of fixing if they are not even going to add nipples? /images/graemlins/depresse.gif

golthin

02-24-2006, 06:02 PM

[ QUOTE ]
piano_cello_conducting said:
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Bobma said:
Don't know if it had been mentioned around here already, but it seems the DVD release did get some redrawn/upgraded scenes after all.

Fixed art (http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/604/otomedvdtv11jo.jpg)
Less fog (http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/130/otomedvdtv24zi.jpg)
(left DVD, right TV)

This gives me hope for ep20. Nice extra motivation to get the DVDs. I also had a look at the screenshots for the 3rd DVD extra. Seems my prayers have been answered. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

EDIT: Fixed spelling

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What's the point of fixing if they are not even going to add nipples? /images/graemlins/depresse.gif

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ã?–ã‚“ã?*ã‚“! /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

Lego

02-24-2006, 06:16 PM

Proving once again that Chie rocks /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif

Dagger

02-24-2006, 06:25 PM

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Lego said:
Proving once again that Chie rocks /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif

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Preach it, brother!

Although the last few episodes have made me very scared for her... /images/graemlins/depresse.gif

Lego

02-24-2006, 06:29 PM

I wonder if she has found out that Aoi took the plunge. Although I have this sneaking suspicion that someone saved Aoi when she fell, or she'll pop back up during a scene.

Even Mai liked Chie in Hime /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif. If I remember right, she said something like "If you were a guy I would fall for you" /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Fencedude

02-24-2006, 06:59 PM

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Lego said:
I wonder if she has found out that Ai took the plunge. Although I have this sneaking suspicion that someone saved Aoi when she fell, or she'll pop back up during a scene.

Even Mai liked Chie in Hime /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif. If I remember right, she said something like "If you were a guy I would fall for you" /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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How in the world would she have found out?

Lego

02-24-2006, 07:57 PM

Word might of traveled, I dunno. That is why I'm interested in when she finds out, if shes does due to her closeness to Aoi.

ayareiko

02-24-2006, 08:17 PM

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Fencedude said:
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Lego said:
I wonder if she has found out that Ai took the plunge. Although I have this sneaking suspicion that someone saved Aoi when she fell, or she'll pop back up during a scene.

Even Mai liked Chie in Hime /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif. If I remember right, she said something like "If you were a guy I would fall for you" /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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How in the world would she have found out?

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One way I can think of is that one the the patrols looking for Mashiro finds Aoi and (A) reports back they've found the body or (B) brought back the body. Word spreads from there.

golthin

02-24-2006, 09:28 PM

Rogueman_8

02-24-2006, 09:40 PM

well well, speak of the devil. after calling my dhl an ass, they actually did deliver my AJ package today which contains My-Otome vol.2 w/ improved footage and the Mai Hime Hisayuki Hirokazu Artworks book. I haven't watched the DVD yet but will do so sometime tomorrow. Anyways, for the HiME/ZHiME fans interested, the godfather has provided you pics of my order (http://forums.animeondvd.com/showflat.php?Cat=1&Number=1287671&Main=1252994#Pos t1287671) once again, as well as a review and sample shots (http://forums.animeondvd.com/showflat.php?Cat=2&Number=1287701&Main=1158224#Pos t1287701) of the new Hisayuki Hirokazu (chara designer of the series) artbook. Enjoy.

Shiroi Hane

02-25-2006, 10:22 PM

[edit, expanding]

Anyway, I found the new characters while re-correcting spellings on Wikipedia and had a go at the names and GEMs... which are guesswork at best.

Karla Bellini - Lutecia Romulus' Otome.

Laura Bianci - Lutecia Remus' Otome.

Nguyen Bao - The King of Annan.
Ein Ruu - Nguyen's Otome, the Azurite of decisive command.

Sala Gallagher - A Meister Otome, one of the Five Columns, the Galactic Blue Topaz.

Maya Bryce - A Meister Otome, one of the Five Columns, the Balletic Fluorite.

DiGiKerot

02-26-2006, 05:15 AM

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Shiroi Hane said:
Nguyen Bao - The King of Annan.

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I'll take your word of it, though I'm not quite sure how you got that unless you've seen something I haven't /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

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Shiroi Hane said:
Sala Gallagher - A Meister Otome, one of the Five Columns, the Galactic Blue Topaz.

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I'd probably stick with Sara on that one, since its seems to be another Cyber Formula recycle and thats how they spelt it there.

I wish they'd continue putting romanisations on the website, it would save so much confusion.

Shiroi Hane

02-26-2006, 05:44 AM

Maybe you didn't see this?
http://www.my-zhime.net/character/nguyen.html
http://www.my-zhime.net/character/sala.html

I decided to go with Sala for now since, while filenames are generally tenuously reliable at best, I would have expected Sara to be written in katakana as ã‚µãƒ¼ãƒ©,ã€€not ã‚µãƒ©.

DiGiKerot

02-26-2006, 05:51 AM

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Shiroi Hane said:
Maybe you didn't see this?
http://www.my-zhime.net/character/nguyen.html
http://www.my-zhime.net/character/sala.html

I decided to go with Sala for now since, while filenames are generally tenuously reliable at best, I would have expected Sara to be written in katakana as ã‚µãƒ¼ãƒ©,ã€€not ã‚µãƒ©.

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You're right, I hadn't noticed the Nguyen one. I'd noticed the Sala one, but had chosen to ignore it as spelling mistakes of that nature aren't exactly uncommon, but looking at the rest of the character pages it looks like they are spot-on with the rest of them so it probably is right.

Shiroi Hane

02-26-2006, 05:53 AM

Well Sergay's page name is Sergei. Which is actully a better spelling, however his name has also been written onscreen as Sergay so....

DiGiKerot

02-26-2006, 05:56 AM

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Shiroi Hane said:
Well Sergay's page name is Sergei. Which is actully a better spelling, however his name has also been written onscreen as Sergay so....

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Have I mentioned how much I hate katakana? /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

golthin

02-26-2006, 07:02 AM

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Shiroi Hane said:
Well Sergay's page name is Sergei. Which is actully a better spelling, however his name has also been written onscreen as Sergay so....

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LOL! The japanese can't make their mind on which way they will romanize things. Remember that they have 2 or 3 teams working on the shows. So depending on which team does the episode, the way they Romanize the names might change.

Shiroi Hane

02-26-2006, 07:06 AM

I think it's more that the web design guru is better at English than the illustrators and animators /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

Rogueman_8

02-26-2006, 07:16 AM

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Shiroi Hane said:
Maybe you didn't see this?
http://www.my-zhime.net/character/nguyen.html
http://www.my-zhime.net/character/sala.html

I decided to go with Sala for now since, while filenames are generally tenuously reliable at best, I would have expected Sara to be written in katakana as ã‚µãƒ¼ãƒ©,ã€€not ã‚µãƒ©.

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yeah, generally reliable but still not. the official site wrote his name sergay first and changed it later to sergei. his picture on the page is still written as sergay. so even though the page file says sala, i'm still going w/ sara. however i want to make note that 'sara' from gpx cf is actually 'sera/ã‚»ãƒ©'. it's been written like the official cyber formula RtI artworks, however ppl have been going by sara.

Rogueman_8

02-26-2006, 07:17 AM

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Shiroi Hane said:
Well Sergay's page name is Sergei. Which is actully a better spelling, however his name has also been written onscreen as Sergay so....

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and as i mentioned, it was how they first spelt it (and still is) on the official site.

Sly05

02-26-2006, 03:39 PM

I just finished watching episode 20 and yeah... Tomoe is matching Shizuru (Hime version) for deranged, sexual creepiness. Well, atleast her victim wasn't unconsious and she didn't resist. Either way, I'm always surprised that people are fans of these types of characters. Ted Bundy, indeed.

Lego

02-26-2006, 08:06 PM

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Sly05 said:
I just finished watching episode 20 and yeah... Tomoe is matching Shizuru (Hime version) for deranged, sexual creepiness. Well, atleast her victim wasn't unconscious and she didn't resist. Either way, I'm always surprised that people are fans of these types of characters. Ted Bundy, indeed.

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I'm still a little freaked out by all the baby stuff that was around the room. Why do you need a diaper, rattle, a rocking horse and etc? I mean it isn't like Mashiro is that small any more. Maybe Tomoe has indeed gone off the deep end.

ayareiko

02-26-2006, 08:58 PM

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Lego said:
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Sly05 said:
I just finished watching episode 20 and yeah... Tomoe is matching Shizuru (Hime version) for deranged, sexual creepiness. Well, atleast her victim wasn't unconscious and she didn't resist. Either way, I'm always surprised that people are fans of these types of characters. Ted Bundy, indeed.

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I'm still a little freaked out by all the baby stuff that was around the room. Why do you need a diaper, rattle, a rocking horse and etc? I mean it isn't like Mashiro is that small any more. Maybe Tomoe has indeed gone off the deep end.

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I say it's either (A) Tomoe's fantasy, (B) Tomoe's insanity, or (C) Shizuru's mind games.

something

02-26-2006, 10:33 PM

So. The new Shinso eh? I guess we can only assume it's Rena.
Seems this ep was basially Arika and Mashiro getting over their particular "issues". Mashiro is going to want to grow up to be just like Midori =P
And.. AND WOAH! WOAH NOW
WHAT JUST HAPPENED o_O

Tomoe... making out with Shizuru... and Shizuru isnt even trying to resist >_> It doesn't look like she's terribly into it either but... what the hell? o_O That... was entirely out of nowhere. Not Tomoe's raging lesbianism of course, but rather that Shizuru was a willing (or tolerating at least) part of it >_>. Where the heck are they going with this >_>

And so we have cat Mikoto, and there's shadow Mikoto again! And... real Mikoto in the next ep preview it seems /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif Three forms of Mikoto now (though presumably the latter two are connected =P)!

something

02-26-2006, 10:43 PM

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Bobma said:
Don't know if it had been mentioned around here already, but it seems the DVD release did get some redrawn/upgraded scenes after all.

Fixed art (http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/604/otomedvdtv11jo.jpg)
Less fog (http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/130/otomedvdtv24zi.jpg)
(left DVD, right TV)

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Niiice~ There was no way in hell I was going to pass on the DVDs anyway, but noe even more reason to do so. Lets hope Bandai is working on getting this to us ASAP.

ayareiko

02-26-2006, 10:46 PM

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disarm said:
And.. AND WOAH! WOAH NOW
WHAT JUST HAPPENED o_O

Tomoe... making out with Shizuru... and Shizuru isnt even trying to resist >_> It doesn't look like she's terribly into it either but... what the hell? o_O That... was entirely out of nowhere. Not Tomoe's raging lesbianism of course, but rather that Shizuru was a willing (or tolerating at least) part of it >_>.

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Like Shiz has a choice in the matter. She essentially went from one jail cell to another. She's likely playing along to buy time to plan an escape (or something like that).

golthin

02-26-2006, 10:46 PM

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disarm said:
So. The new Shinso eh? I guess we can only assume it's Rena.
Seems this ep was basially Arika and Mashiro getting over their particular "issues". Mashiro is going to want to grow up to be just like Midori =P
And.. AND WOAH! WOAH NOW
WHAT JUST HAPPENED o_O

Tomoe... making out with Shizuru... and Shizuru isnt even trying to resist >_> It doesn't look like she's terribly into it either but... what the hell? o_O That... was entirely out of nowhere. Not Tomoe's raging lesbianism of course, but rather that Shizuru was a willing (or tolerating at least) part of it >_>. Where the heck are they going with this >_>

And so we have cat Mikoto, and there's shadow Mikoto again! And... real Mikoto in the next ep preview it seems /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif Three forms of Mikoto now (though presumably the latter two are connected =P)!

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Tomoe lied to her and told her they captured Natsuki, she also told her that she will get a reward if she does well in her mission. I think Shizuru is cooparating so they don't hurt Natsuki.

something

02-26-2006, 10:47 PM

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Aya Reiko said:
Like Shiz has a choice in the matter. She essentially went from one jail cell to another. She's likely playing along to buy time to plan an escape (or something like that).

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There's a difference between not having a choice, and not even looking surprised. I almost got a "oh, this again?" vibe from her.

ayareiko

02-26-2006, 10:49 PM

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golthin said:
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disarm said:
So. The new Shinso eh? I guess we can only assume it's Rena.
Seems this ep was basially Arika and Mashiro getting over their particular "issues". Mashiro is going to want to grow up to be just like Midori =P
And.. AND WOAH! WOAH NOW
WHAT JUST HAPPENED o_O

Tomoe... making out with Shizuru... and Shizuru isnt even trying to resist >_> It doesn't look like she's terribly into it either but... what the hell? o_O That... was entirely out of nowhere. Not Tomoe's raging lesbianism of course, but rather that Shizuru was a willing (or tolerating at least) part of it >_>. Where the heck are they going with this >_>

And so we have cat Mikoto, and there's shadow Mikoto again! And... real Mikoto in the next ep preview it seems /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif Three forms of Mikoto now (though presumably the latter two are connected =P)!

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Tomoe lied to her and told her they captured Natsuki, she also told her that she will get a reward if she does well in her mission. I think Shizuru is cooparating so they don't hurt Natsuki. 

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The impression I'm getting from Shiz is that she isn't buying a word out of Tomoe's mouth. She's probably playing along waiting for Tomoe to drop her guard.

Vallen Valiant

02-26-2006, 11:06 PM

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disarm said:
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Aya Reiko said:
Like Shiz has a choice in the matter. She essentially went from one jail cell to another. She's likely playing along to buy time to plan an escape (or something like that).

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There's a difference between not having a choice, and not even looking surprised. I almost got a "oh, this again?" vibe from her.

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What's there to surprise? Shizuru knows what Tomoe is like. Prisoners being raped by their captors is hardly news in the classic sense, when the Geneva convention doesn't even exist anymore. Shizuru isn't surprised because she knows exactly why she was transfered to the cell with a bed.
Tomoe had her reward by following Nagi, and that reward is Shizuru. It can't be more obvious.

Sly05

02-26-2006, 11:24 PM

That's my guess as well. The baby scene from the preview is probably Shizuru pretending she wants to adopt a child to complete their little "family" so Tomoe will think she actually is in love with her.

Lego

02-26-2006, 11:27 PM

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Sly05 said:
That's my guess as well. The baby scene from the preview is probably Shizuru pretending she wants to adopt a child to complete their little "family" so Tomoe will think she actually is in love with her.

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Interesting. I had a interesting theory. During the show, Tomoe looks up to Shizuru. I would almost venture to say that she sees her as a motherly figure, or a big sister. Maybe Tomoe needed the baby things in the room to fufill a fantasy. Something where by having the kids stuff in the room with Shizuru, she felt as if SHE was the one finally in control. Kinda like a role reversal.

something

02-27-2006, 12:56 AM

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Vallen Chaos Valiant said:
What's there to surprise? Shizuru knows what Tomoe is like. Prisoners being raped by their captors is hardly news in the classic sense, when the Geneva convention doesn't even exist anymore. Shizuru isn't surprised because she knows exactly why she was transfered to the cell with a bed.
Tomoe had her reward by following Nagi, and that reward is Shizuru. It can't be more obvious.

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Err, yeah, even if so they could have like, put some emotion on her face. It's as if all she were thinking was "Oh, it's 'Tomoe Tuesdays' again".

Suwako Moriya

02-27-2006, 01:37 AM

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disarm said:
Three forms of Mikoto now (though presumably the latter two are connected =P)!

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Either way hopefully this "third" form of Mikoto will get decent screen time. I'd hate for her to appear this late just to yanked off the stage the second she appears. Besides if anyone can finally get Mai to appear in the anime then it's probably Mikoto. Okay so I'm using absolutely no logic when I say that, but whatever. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Vallen Valiant

02-27-2006, 02:12 AM

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disarm said:
[ QUOTE ]
Vallen Chaos Valiant said:
What's there to surprise? Shizuru knows what Tomoe is like. Prisoners being raped by their captors is hardly news in the classic sense, when the Geneva convention doesn't even exist anymore. Shizuru isn't surprised because she knows exactly why she was transfered to the cell with a bed.
Tomoe had her reward by following Nagi, and that reward is Shizuru. It can't be more obvious.

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Err, yeah, even if so they could have like, put some emotion on her face. It's as if all she were thinking was "Oh, it's 'Tomoe Tuesdays' again".

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It's hard to have emotions when Shizuru is trying to turn her brain off while in the process of being raped... There is no point for kicking and screaming, as Tomoe would just have her tied up. And this isn't going to be a once-off thing either. Tomoe would be making use of her body for a long time to come, if she had her way. Shutting down one's mind is, in this occasion, one of the ways to get through with it faster and with minimal mental suffering.

Fencedude

02-27-2006, 08:12 AM

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disarm said:
So. The new Shinso eh? I guess we can only assume it's Rena.

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No, its definitely Rena.

golthin

02-27-2006, 10:36 AM

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Kiku Sarasugawa said:
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disarm said:
Three forms of Mikoto now (though presumably the latter two are connected =P)!

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Either way hopefully this "third" form of Mikoto will get decent screen time. I'd hate for her to appear this late just to yanked off the stage the second she appears. Besides if anyone can finally get Mai to appear in the anime then it's probably Mikoto. Okay so I'm using absolutely no logic when I say that, but whatever. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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She is just going to tell them the same thing she told Mashiro and Arika, to fuck off till they have the three parts needed to activate the organ.

Rhodes

02-27-2006, 10:37 AM

unless the time when a & m is still active and n completed the 3 part key.

golthin

02-27-2006, 10:48 AM

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Rhodes said:
unless the time when a & m is still active and n completed the 3 part key.

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I am pretty sure all three have to be there at the same time, because that is what she told Arika and Mashiro.

Rhodes

02-27-2006, 11:23 AM

except that the last time only 2 of the 3 circles glowed... this time all 3 did.

golthin

02-27-2006, 11:26 AM

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Rhodes said:
except that the last time only 2 of the 3 circles glowed... this time all 3 did.

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We will find out in about 4 days /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Gatts

02-28-2006, 10:58 AM

Mmkay... time to get back on track.

If anyone is wondering what I mean, posts have magically disappeared and it no longer matters. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

golthin

03-02-2006, 05:53 PM

This episode was not heavy in the action department. They tease us with the action in the organ room without telling us everything that happened. The ghost Mikoto attacks Nina after she Materialized her robe. They showed the cat Mikoto and a real Mikoto feeling Nina's counter.

Nagi finally noticed the pod where the princess was placed from two pictures. There is big chances that Nina is the real princess.

The baby items are not a dream, She is actually making Shizuru play the act of a baby./images/graemlins/stunned0.gif
Shizuru is just bidding her time till she can escape.

Nao takes another low punch at poor Natsuki about hitch haking when she tell Tao to come with her to find the queen.
A new ally appeared with his bad ass Otome.

Sergay is ready to put whatever plan he has into action.

Previews show us 4 shadows of the Valkyries, but there should be 5.
At the very end of the previews there is an Otome with a very different uniform and red glowing eyes, Mai?

Next 5 episodes are really going to be action packed. I wish I could go to sleep for 5 weeks so I don't have to wait for the next 5 episodes.

Rogueman_8

03-02-2006, 06:21 PM

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golthin said:
At the very end of the previews there is an Otome with a very different uniform and red glowing eyes, Mai?

Next 5 episodes are really going to be action packed. I wish I could go to sleep for 5 weeks so I don't have to wait for the next 5 episodes.

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yes you can tell that's mai w/ the symbol, uniform and scarf. she likes to cook.

oh, the last episode will air as a 1 hour special on March 30th. So it's 4 weeks.

Fencedude

03-02-2006, 06:25 PM

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golthin said:

At the very end of the previews there is an Otome with a very different uniform and red glowing eyes, Mai?


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Out of pure curiosity, how could you NOT know that that is Mai? the robe looks EXACTLY like Mai's, who in case you forgot is VERY PROMINENT in the opening sequence.

Suwako Moriya

03-02-2006, 09:44 PM

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Rogueman_8 said:
yes you can tell that's mai w/ the symbol, uniform and scarf. she likes to cook.

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All I know is it's about time, I sort of lost all hope that she'd appear. Now I just have to hope that scene of her in the preview is not the only shot of Mai in the entire episode. In any case over all it was a pretty nice episode.

moyism

03-02-2006, 10:52 PM

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Kiku Sarasugawa said:
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Rogueman_8 said:
yes you can tell that's mai w/ the symbol, uniform and scarf. she likes to cook.

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All I know is it's about time, I sort of lost all hope that she'd appear. Now I just have to hope that scene of her in the preview is not the only shot of Mai in the entire episode. In any case over all it was a pretty nice episode.

[/ QUOTE ]So who else noticed the wok and ladle in her hands?

Suwako Moriya

03-02-2006, 10:54 PM

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moyism said:So who else noticed the wok and ladle in her hands?

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I think several people. Hence part of the reason why Rogueman_8 said "she likes to cook." at the end.

Lego

03-03-2006, 01:09 AM

Hmm, I'm glad that Haruka and Chie got some air time. I wonder what Haruka was teasing Natsuki about heh.

I figured that Aoi wasn't dead though. So it seems like Chie went to visit her in bed, and is relatively pissed off about it.

golthin

03-03-2006, 05:11 AM

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Lego said:
Hmm, I'm glad that Haruka and Chie got some air time. I wonder what Haruka was teasing Natsuki about heh.

I figured that Aoi wasn't dead though. So it seems like Chie went to visit her in bed, and is relatively pissed off about it. 

[/ QUOTE ]
She is teasing her about being arrested for indecent exposure while hitch hiking.

Lego

03-03-2006, 06:13 AM

She still is? Heh, more Haruka time for me /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif

It seems my prediction was right on about Shizuru and Tomoe. Tomoe sees Shizuru as a controlling figure. A motherly or teacher figure(authority, grown up). So it would make sense tha t her fantasy in this episode, and in the last episode was to have a thing where her and Shizuru reverse rolls.

Hence Shizuru acting like a little kid in this episode. It's kinda creepy that Tomoe has that kind of power fetish heh.

moyism

03-03-2006, 11:44 AM

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moyism said:So who else noticed the wok and ladle in her hands?

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I think several people. Hence part of the reason why Rogueman_8 said "she likes to cook." at the end.

[/ QUOTE ]heh, my bad. Must have read R8's post wrong.

With regards to the Shizuru and Tomoe bit... all I can say is only the Japanese can make kiddie toys = sexplay. Either that, or my mind is way too in the gutter /images/graemlins/shy10000.gif

Nork22

03-03-2006, 09:43 PM

Geh. After this episode there better be more action. The 'angst' is pretty dull now.

Funkatron

03-05-2006, 07:10 AM

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Nork22 said:
Geh. After this episode there better be more action. The 'angst' is pretty dull now.

[/ QUOTE ]

loved the Omake. Favorite part was when the anouncer said that Haruka would make a good moe character(:p_) and Arika's robe disappearing at the worst possible time :p

Love the avatar. Haruka can be cute when she wants to be :p

Lego

03-05-2006, 07:24 AM

While the comment was directed at Nork, as a fellow Haruka fan( /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif), I had to step in heh.

I wish we got to see more Haruka, but like Hime, she really wasn't a "main" character.

Funkatron

03-05-2006, 07:32 AM

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Lego said:
While the comment was directed at Nork, as a fellow Haruka fan( /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif), I had to step in heh.

I wish we got to see more Haruka, but like Hime, she really wasn't a "main" character.

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I'm not a fullfledged Haruka fan, but I can relate. My love of Irina has me pissed off at her lack of pivotal scenes. She's like a subtle mix of Chie and Yukino with a whole "springtime of youth" energy mixed in. And yet no developement whatsoever except for her being a nerd. Which is not bad in and of itself(major turn on) but still...

something

03-05-2006, 12:19 PM

And you missed the best part -- Mashiro finally realizing what she needs to do, and being damn cool while doing it. MASHIRO AND ARIKA WILL SAVE THE WORLD!

And it looks like Chie saved Aoi (hell, who else could it be?), which is nice though not 100% unexpected.

As for Shizuru and Tomoe... just... /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif "Today was kind of fun" was it? XD Haha oh man.

Anyways, great to see Mikoto in non-shadow human form, though only from the back. I'm thinking she's going to appear with Mai, but who knows?

Anyway, this was a really great ep for plot movement on all fronts. Otome seems to be going heavier on plot than action in the late stages, somewhat different from HiME. This is 26 eps right? If so, there should be a lot of action from here on out... but then I've been expecting that for a few eps now so who knows /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

something

03-05-2006, 12:19 PM

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Rogueman_8 said:
oh, the last episode will air as a 1 hour special on March 30th. So it's 4 weeks.

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Hell yeah, that's what I like to hear!

golthin

03-05-2006, 12:22 PM

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disarm said:

And it looks like Chie saved Aoi (hell, who else could it be?), which is nice though not 100% unexpected.

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I missed this, but like you say not unexpected. Where in the episode is this hinted and you better not be pulling a prank. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

something

03-05-2006, 12:29 PM

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golthin said:
I missed this, but like you say not unexpected. Where in the episode is this hinted and you better not be pulling a prank. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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When she goes in that room behind curtains, with the IV and all set up. She's clearly visiting someone who is in critical condition, and it can only really be Aoi.

Screenshot: Chie with person in hospital bed (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/disarm10/otome21.jpg)

golthin

03-05-2006, 04:20 PM

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disarm said:
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golthin said:
I missed this, but like you say not unexpected. Where in the episode is this hinted and you better not be pulling a prank. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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When she goes in that room behind curtains, with the IV and all set up. She's clearly visiting someone who is in critical condition, and it can only really be Aoi.

Screenshot: Chie with person in hospital bed (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/disarm10/otome21.jpg)

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Nice catch! I didn't notice that! /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif
Well, if that is her, I want to see how she survived. /images/graemlins/stunned0.gif /images/graemlins/stunned0.gif

stfram

03-05-2006, 05:08 PM

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Funkatron said:
loved the Omake. Favorite part was when the anouncer said that Haruka would make a good moe character(:p_) and Arika's robe disappearing at the worst possible time :p

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I actually went slowly through that entire scene so I could see every single expression on Nina's face as that happened.

Irina's expressions were amusing as well.

Rogueman_8

03-09-2006, 01:29 PM

HOLY SHEEZNAT! That was one awesome episode as expected from last week's preview. Great action between Arika & Tomoe /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif (oh and the valkyries). Tomoe you're just so awesome (and crazee /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif). Fia vs. Midori was kickass as well and she totally rapes Fia (who dies in green sparkles). Sergay 'dies' courtesy of Miyu (and thanks to her appearance this episode, we can see the HiME and ZHiME connection that was mentioned about). Nina goes beserk w/ the harmonium's power. Lastly Mikoto (real) and Mai make their arrival at the end w/ lots more of them to come next episode. FINALLY, MAI OFFICIALLY RETURNS and provides me some fanservice next episode along w/ Miyu too /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif...jawsome.

golthin

03-09-2006, 02:41 PM

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Rogueman_8 said:
HOLY SHEEZNAT! That was one awesome episode as expected from last week's preview. Great action between Arika & Tomoe /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif (oh and the valkyries). Tomoe you're just so awesome (and crazee /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif). Fia vs. Midori was kickass as well and she totally rapes Fia (who dies in green sparkles). Sergay 'dies' courtesy of Miyu (and thanks to her appearance this episode, we can see the HiME and ZHiME connection that was mentioned about). Nina goes beserk w/ the harmonium's power. Lastly Mikoto (real) and Mai make their arrival at the end w/ lots more of them to come next episode. FINALLY, MAI OFFICIALLY RETURNS and provides me some fanservice next episode along w/ Miyu too /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif...jawsome.

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I agree 100%! This episode ROCKS! This episode is awsome in so many ways! Miyu rocks! like you i can't wait for next episode fluff episode! The people making this show really know how to please the audiance! a bad ass action filled episode followed by a fanservice episode. AOI lived so lets everybody dance 

edit!
I watched the episode again! Damn Sergey! When Miyu was going to kill Tomoe, He had to freaking shoot at Miyu! I just can get tired of watching how Fia was tricked into looking up and got impiled.

Rhodes

03-09-2006, 03:01 PM

shadow otome is nina now right... i mean you can see it in the screen caps.

Dagger

03-09-2006, 04:30 PM

This episode kicked my ass. That's about all I can really say about it.

Lego

03-09-2006, 04:34 PM

I find it funny that as soon as Mai comes back, the episode she makrs her debut in will be fanservicy(looking at the preview pics). Random pointed out a interesting thing while blogging this episode. There could be more then one "cat version" of Mikoto. I wouldn't be surprised if they came from the room where we saw her in the last couple episodes.

golthin

03-09-2006, 04:59 PM

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Lego said:
I find it funny that as soon as Mai comes back, the episode she makrs her debut in will be fanservicy(looking at the preview pics). Random pointed out a interesting thing while blogging this episode. There could be more then one "cat version" of Mikoto. I wouldn't be surprised if they came from the room where we saw her in the last couple episodes. 

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There is at least three so far! Mashiro's, Mai's , and the one that is with Natsuki. Each has a different mark on the forehead. Of course it has to be a fanservice episode, there is not much animation in fanservice and after all the money they probably spent on episode 22 they need to save money. I am not complaining. /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif

golthin

03-09-2006, 05:00 PM

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Dagger said:
This episode kicked my ass. That's about all I can really say about it.

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Everytime I watch the Miyu entrance and battle I get chills.

Suwako Moriya

03-09-2006, 05:46 PM

Wow this episode was awesome. Especially because of the Miyu aspect. Plus it looks like Alyssa is added to the list of characters who kept her HiME name completely. Well in a sense. Ah Alyssa Searrs the millenium queen. Even better we'll finally get to see Mikoto in full force in the next episode. Plus it will be interesting to find out how Arika and Mai relate to each other. Who knows maybe this isn't the first time they met. Keyword being maybe.

golthin

03-09-2006, 06:38 PM

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Kiku Sarasugawa said:
Wow this episode was awesome. Especially because of the Miyu aspect. Plus it looks like Alyssa is added to the list of characters who kept her HiME name completely. Well in a sense. Ah Alyssa Searrs the millenium queen. Even better we'll finally get to see Mikoto in full force in the next episode. Plus it will be interesting to find out how Arika and Mai relate to each other. Who knows maybe this isn't the first time they met. Keyword being maybe.

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I hope the explain in the next episode where Mai has been and why.

Fencedude

03-09-2006, 07:27 PM

I just want to let everyone know, that I WAS RIGHT~!

*dances*

And Nina is NOT Shadow Otome, they look nothing alike.

Suwako Moriya

03-09-2006, 08:36 PM

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Fencedude said:
And Nina is NOT Shadow Otome, they look nothing alike.

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*Checks out episode 1* Yeah it's definitely not Nina. Unless Nina suddenly gains a new form later... Either way I don't want it to be Nina, Arika, or well any other already established Meister. Simply because that would beyond boring and redundant. I mean gasp the Shadow Otome turns out to be a Meister we've already seen. Yeah really exciting....

Shiroi Hane

03-09-2006, 09:23 PM

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Lego said:
I find it funny that as soon as Mai comes back, the episode she makrs her debut in will be fanservicy(looking at the preview pics). Random pointed out a interesting thing while blogging this episode. There could be more then one "cat version" of Mikoto. I wouldn't be surprised if they came from the room where we saw her in the last couple episodes. 

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We saw three different cat-Mikotos this episode. That room we saw last ep was full of cat statues.. when Nina defeated the shadow-Mikoto guarding the Harmonium one broke so there's a Mikoto for every statue, I guess the buddhist-beaded Mikoto with Mai is the real one though.
Oh.. marvelous ep for MIYU fans /images/graemlins/happy.gif
Looks like I/we may have been right about her being a future version of the HiME MIYU (although she's now Merciful rather than Multiple), the SEARRS references would make no sense otherwise.

DiGiKerot

03-10-2006, 01:26 AM

The website (http://www.my-zhime.net/) has been updated, though its mostly merchandise updates. There are some updates to the character pages - no new characters, but John Smiths page now has all the Slaves on it, and Tomoe has her Valkyrie Robe (or whatever it was they called it).

ayareiko

03-10-2006, 02:17 AM

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DiGiKerot said:
The website (http://www.my-zhime.net/) has been updated, though its mostly merchandise updates. There are some updates to the character pages - no new characters, but John Smiths page now has all the Slaves on it, and Tomoe has her Valkyrie Robe (or whatever it was they called it).

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New top image with Mai and a bruised Natsuki in their Coral uniforms. Chibikko Mai = KAWAII!!!

Lingere battle with Arika, Irina, Ers, and Nao omake on DVD 3?! /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif

cregbr

03-10-2006, 02:38 AM

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Kiku Sarasugawa said:
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Fencedude said:
And Nina is NOT Shadow Otome, they look nothing alike.

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*Checks out episode 1* Yeah it's definitely not Nina. Unless Nina suddenly gains a new form later... Either way I don't want it to be Nina, Arika, or well any other already established Meister. Simply because that would beyond boring and redundant. I mean gasp the Shadow Otome turns out to be a Meister we've already seen. Yeah really exciting....

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I went back through all the appearances of people in Otome robes, and the following is consistant:
For the arm and wrist bands of all robes to date:
Coral robes have blue bands
Pearl robes have purple bands
Meister robes have yellow bands.

The shadow otome has purple bands... which means it's not a standard Otome as has materialized to date. So, it may be a pearl. My guess is it may be Akane. Wasn't Kazuya from Caldea, which just got trashed by Aswald?

Just thinking...

K.

cregbr

03-10-2006, 02:48 AM

This episode totally rocked my socks! Awesome all the way around.

I was really liking Miyu in Otome anyway, but now she is now in the running with Nao for my favorite character of the show. The direct tie in with Mai-Hime was cool, even if we had seen it coming.

One thought though about Mai: She's in her robe. So, who is her master? If she were a pillar, she would be down with all the rest that had Shinho as their master. I see a few possibilities here:
(1) Through Mikoto and her tie to the Harmonium, she has materialized using that mechanism (see Nina's materialization without authorization in this episode)
(2) She never de-robed for all that time. We have seen the materialization process many times but never what it takes to dematerialize.
(3) She really has a master, the identity of which remains to be seen.


Anyway, I'm so looking forward to the final four. I doubt they're going to disappoint /images/graemlins/happy.gif

K.

golthin

03-10-2006, 06:52 AM

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Kamina said:
This episode totally rocked my socks! Awesome all the way around.

I was really liking Miyu in Otome anyway, but now she is now in the running with Nao for my favorite character of the show. The direct tie in with Mai-Hime was cool, even if we had seen it coming.

One thought though about Mai: She's in her robe. So, who is her master? If she were a pillar, she would be down with all the rest that had Shinho as their master. I see a few possibilities here:
(1) Through Mikoto and her tie to the Harmonium, she has materialized using that mechanism (see Nina's materialization without authorization in this episode)
(2) She never de-robed for all that time. We have seen the materialization process many times but never what it takes to dematerialize.
(3) She really has a master, the identity of which remains to be seen.


Anyway, I'm so looking forward to the final four. I doubt they're going to disappoint /images/graemlins/happy.gif

K.

[/ QUOTE ]
 I believe Alissa acts as MIYU's master, but she being a cyborg doesn't work the same. I have no idea whos mai's master is. Maybe she doesn't need one.
Edited for misunderstanding.

Rogueman_8

03-10-2006, 07:06 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Aya Reiko said:
[ QUOTE ]
DiGiKerot said:
The website (http://www.my-zhime.net/) has been updated, though its mostly merchandise updates. There are some updates to the character pages - no new characters, but John Smiths page now has all the Slaves on it, and Tomoe has her Valkyrie Robe (or whatever it was they called it).

[/ QUOTE ]
New top image with Mai and a bruised Natsuki in their Coral uniforms. Chibikko Mai = KAWAII!!!

Lingere battle with Arika, Irina, Ers, and Nao omake on DVD 3?! /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif

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yeah, the top image is nice. it's the cover for the drama CD which was revealed some days ago at satachibana's site. nothing new to me. The lingerie party pics were up last update and was mentioned last year when the solicit for the dvd went up. What is of interest from me is the scoop book cover which i've been anticipating to see. The figs are ho hum, having seen 'em all at WHF. Only the griffon Nats has me interested. The museum section also updated w/ 'new' pics. i'm sure ppl have seen 'em before, mostly arika x nina or arika x mashiro or arika solo.

golthin

03-10-2006, 07:43 AM

Fencedude

03-10-2006, 08:19 AM

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golthin said:

 I believe Alissa acts as her master, the little yellow bird.

[/ QUOTE ]

Uhh...why would Alyssa be Mai's master?

Anyway, Mai's master is apparently Mikoto.

Suwako Moriya

03-10-2006, 08:43 AM

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Fencedude said:
Anyway, Mai's master is apparently Mikoto. 

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Which is extremely appropiate if you ask me. In fact no one else deserves to be the master of Mai. In any case one of my brothers is sort of hoping that Mai will turn out to be Arika's "Grandmother". Yeah I know Mai isn't that old, but it's always possible the term could be misleading. Still I myself think it would be fun if in some ways Arika already knew Mai. Either way someone has to be her "grandmother".

golthin

03-10-2006, 09:27 AM

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Kiku Sarasugawa said:
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Fencedude said:
Anyway, Mai's master is apparently Mikoto. 

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Which is extremely appropiate if you ask me. In fact no one else deserves to be the master of Mai. In any case one of my brothers is sort of hoping that Mai will turn out to be Arika's "Grandmother". Yeah I know Mai isn't that old, but it's always possible the term could be misleading. Still I myself think it would be fun if in some ways Arika already knew Mai. Either way someone has to be her "grandmother".

[/ QUOTE ]I just misread the previous message and thought he was talking abou Miyu, was wondering why would miyu need a master not being an otome. Anyway disregard my mistake.

Lego

03-10-2006, 10:45 AM

That would be a funny change of roles. I'm actually curious to see how they'll work in the Tak and Mai relation like they had in Hime.

Suwako Moriya

03-10-2006, 11:53 AM

Well speaking of Miyu and thus Alyssa. While people say that Miyu is the same one from HiME. What if Alyssa was the same Alyssa from HiME? It's quite clear the bird Alyssa is not just a bird since it interfaces with Miyu's sword. Now by the same Alyssa, I mean something along the lines of Alyssa Searr's intelligence, soul, or whatever you want to call it being transferred to a new body. Ie Alyssa the bird would be to birds what Miyu is to humans. Okay maybe that's a bit far fetched, but it would not surprise me at all.

Fencedude

03-10-2006, 04:39 PM

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Kiku Sarasugawa said:
Well speaking of Miyu and thus Alyssa. While people say that Miyu is the same one from HiME. What if Alyssa was the same Alyssa from HiME? It's quite clear the bird Alyssa is not just a bird since it interfaces with Miyu's sword. Now by the same Alyssa, I mean something along the lines of Alyssa Searr's intelligence, soul, or whatever you want to call it being transferred to a new body. Ie Alyssa the bird would be to birds what Miyu is to humans. Okay maybe that's a bit far fetched, but it would not surprise me at all.

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I think that that is quite likely.

Anyway, Sei Otome no Inori totally rocked in this episode.

I can't wait till they use Zankoku no Mai - Nozomanu Tata.

Suwako Moriya

03-10-2006, 05:16 PM

Well they did play the perfect time to play Sei Otome no Inori. Still it's rather interesting how Miyu actually doesn't have some of her programs anymore.Perhaps she decided to streamline herself. In any case if not for the fact the series is only 26 episodes, I'd sort of wish for a flashback episode concerning the "HiME" aspect of "Otome". Assuming they are connected which I'm convinced they are.

ayareiko

03-10-2006, 05:44 PM

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Shiroi Hane said:
Looks like I/we may have been right about her being a future version of the HiME MIYU (although she's now Merciful rather than Multiple), the SEARRS references would make no sense otherwise.[/edit]

[/ QUOTE ]
I disagree. Anything short of a very direct reference of HiME can only be taken with a grain of salt. The appearence of the Searrs's name really means nothing when you think about it. We already have a few characters who retain their old names, such as Takumi, Mai, and Aoi. So all we have is another name to add to that list.

The different meaning to Miyu's acronym I think suggests this is not the same Miyu from HiME.

Suwako Moriya

03-10-2006, 05:53 PM

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Aya Reiko said:
The different meaning to Miyu's acronym I think suggests this is not the same Miyu from HiME.

[/ QUOTE ]

I wouldn't completely discount her as being the same Miyu because of that. When she had two of her weapons "removed" which you can clearly tell by one scene, she may have had her name changed. Of course as to why that's a whole other story.

However let's not kid ourselves, they'll probably leave the true answer vague. Never truly confirming or denying the connection at all. So all of us will forever debate the answer. Until eventually you all agree with me because I say so. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif Wait what do you mean it doesn't work that way?

Fencedude

03-10-2006, 06:23 PM

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Aya Reiko said:
[ QUOTE ]
Shiroi Hane said:
Looks like I/we may have been right about her being a future version of the HiME MIYU (although she's now Merciful rather than Multiple), the SEARRS references would make no sense otherwise.[/edit]

[/ QUOTE ]
I disagree. Anything short of a very direct reference of HiME can only be taken with a grain of salt. The appearence of the Searrs's name really means nothing when you think about it. We already have a few characters who retain their old names, such as Takumi, Mai, and Aoi. So all we have is another name to add to that list.

The different meaning to Miyu's acronym I think suggests this is not the same Miyu from HiME.

[/ QUOTE ]

Whether or not this is the exact same Miyu from HiME, it is the first absolutely direct link to that series.

I mean...SEARRS FOR THE GOLDEN MILLENIUM

cregbr

03-11-2006, 02:52 AM

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Kiku Sarasugawa said:
Well they did play the perfect time to play Sei Otome no Inori. Still it's rather interesting how Miyu actually doesn't have some of her programs anymore.Perhaps she decided to streamline herself. In any case if not for the fact the series is only 26 episodes, I'd sort of wish for a flashback episode concerning the "HiME" aspect of "Otome". Assuming they are connected which I'm convinced they are.

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It's possible we may get a bit of that next episode. While the preview makes it look like a fan-service fluff piece, I expect a significant amount of exposition as well.

K.

Suwako Moriya

03-11-2006, 01:40 PM

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Kamina said:
While the preview makes it look like a fan-service fluff piece, I expect a significant amount of exposition as well.

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Same here, they can talk about important plot points while showing off their bodies. It's a win-win situation. Well for the reasonable of course.

Oh yeah I was reading posts at a certain forum on episode 22. Someone suggested that in fact the Shadow Otome may be Aoi herself. The evidence being the fact that both seem to have long hair. The second factor being that if you watch the Shadow Otome has one eye glowing red as opposed to well "two". Also currently as of episode 22, Aoi has part of her face bandaged.

I'd say it's plausible that Aoi could be the Shadow Otome based on this. However this could all be misleading. Even if she is the Shadow Otome the fact that she's currently in the hands of the enemy probably means that her becoming the Shadow Otome won't be a good thing.

Dagger

03-11-2006, 01:54 PM

I saw the speculation about Aoi as well. Needless to say, I would be very pleased if she ended up playing an extra-important role like that (seemingly extra-important, anyway). Overall, though, I'm worried about her and Chie's chances of coming out of this alive, and her being the Shadow Otome would almost certainly decrease her likelihood of surviving.

Suwako Moriya

03-11-2006, 02:06 PM

To be honest if it was much earlier in the series the idea of Aoi becoming the Shadow Otome would not be such a bad sign for her. However given how late in the series it is, I'm worried her only reason to become the Shadow Otome is based on manipulation which will lead to something really bad for her.

golthin

03-11-2006, 03:05 PM

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Alyssa Searrs said:
To be honest if it was much earlier in the series the idea of Aoi becoming the Shadow Otome would not be such a bad sign for her. However given how late in the series it is, I'm worried her only reason to become the Shadow Otome is based on manipulation which will lead to something really bad for her.

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Poor Aoi doesn't get break. First she is the maid of a spoiled brat, then she "died" for that brat, and now she is going to end becoming the shadow otome. poor aoi! /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

Suwako Moriya

03-11-2006, 03:17 PM

Well Aoi definitely suffered, but I wouldn't count the first point at all. Since Aoi cares deeply about Mashiro. Otherwise the second point would never have happened unless of course you believe that Aoi only was doing her duty... Now pretend I went into a huge rant about the idea of calling my precious Mashiro a brat. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

golthin

03-11-2006, 03:22 PM

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Alyssa Searrs said:
Well Aoi definitely suffered, but I wouldn't count the first point at all. Since Aoi cares deeply about Mashiro. Otherwise the second point would never have happened unless of course you believe that Aoi only was doing her duty... Now pretend I went into a huge rant about the idea of calling my precious Mashiro a brat. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Come on! You know she was a brat at the beginning. She is pretty good now and I have not problem with the current Mashiro. I guess something good came from she losing her kingdom, she grew as a person.

Suwako Moriya

03-11-2006, 03:36 PM

Err if I was actually serious I would have typed out a rant instead of making that short statement. Seriously yeah I know she was a brat, but that just made her more fun. Still it is good that she's basically gone past that stage. Although I have a feeling she'll still be a bit bratty when things settle down. Assuming they do.

mellowrg2

03-11-2006, 07:25 PM

Schwarz kept Aoi alive to extract the last part of the song from her.

They don't need her for anything else.

ayareiko

03-12-2006, 11:49 AM

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Fencedude said:
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Aya Reiko said:
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Shiroi Hane said:
Looks like I/we may have been right about her being a future version of the HiME MIYU (although she's now Merciful rather than Multiple), the SEARRS references would make no sense otherwise.[/edit]

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I disagree. Anything short of a very direct reference of HiME can only be taken with a grain of salt. The appearence of the Searrs's name really means nothing when you think about it. We already have a few characters who retain their old names, such as Takumi, Mai, and Aoi. So all we have is another name to add to that list.

The different meaning to Miyu's acronym I think suggests this is not the same Miyu from HiME.

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Whether or not this is the exact same Miyu from HiME, it is the first absolutely direct link to that series.

I mean...SEARRS FOR THE GOLDEN MILLENIUM

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Hardly. We've had tons of names and terms that came from HiME reappear in Otome. Hell, even Gakutenou returned.

Now we have to figure out what the Hell is that bird really is.

Suwako Moriya

03-12-2006, 02:11 PM

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Mellow RG_ said:
Schwarz kept Aoi alive to extract the last part of the song from her.
They don't need her for anything else.

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Well crazier things have happened, but I do have to admit that's a strike against her chances of being the Shadow Otome. Still regardless they're running out of time to admit who the Shadow Otome is.

golthin

03-12-2006, 03:32 PM

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Alyssa Searrs said:
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Mellow RG_ said:
Schwarz kept Aoi alive to extract the last part of the song from her.
They don't need her for anything else.

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Well crazier things have happened, but I do have to admit that's a strike against her chances of being the Shadow Otome. Still regardless they're running out of time to admit who the Shadow Otome is.

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Yep, Like when she was supposed to die, everyone said she couldn't survive the fall. guess what, in the Zhime universe people can fall from cliffs and live. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

cregbr

03-12-2006, 04:31 PM

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golthin said:
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Alyssa Searrs said:
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Mellow RG_ said:
Schwarz kept Aoi alive to extract the last part of the song from her.
They don't need her for anything else.

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Well crazier things have happened, but I do have to admit that's a strike against her chances of being the Shadow Otome. Still regardless they're running out of time to admit who the Shadow Otome is.

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Yep, Like when she was supposed to die, everyone said she couldn't survive the fall. guess what, in the Zhime universe people can fall from cliffs and live. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Ok, so this is probably wacked, but two episodes ago when Aoi was first shown receiving care, the IV she was receiving looked like a nanite infusion rather than something medical. It's possible the nanites were the only way for her to recover from the extent of her injuries.

Now, it also occurs to me the we've assumed that the Shadow Otome is working for the bad guys, but perhaps not. The glowing red eye mimics what we're seeing from Mikoto and Mai. There may be some tie-in there. We may be back to Aoi being Rena's daughter /images/graemlins/happy.gif

K.

Rhodes

03-12-2006, 05:10 PM

ummm you do know that Aoi is older than 14 right? So she cant be Rena's baby that went missing 14 years ago... unless your saying she time traveled back to before she was born.

Fencedude

03-12-2006, 05:25 PM

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Rhodes said:
ummm you do know that Aoi is older than 14 right? So she cant be Rena's baby that went missing 14 years ago... unless your saying she time traveled back to before she was born.

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Yeah, people are starting to think to hard.

Aoi is a maid, nothing more, nothing less.

Her overall role in the plot is probably overwith.

Anyway, if the Shadow Otome is anyone, its probably Tomoe.

Fencedude

03-12-2006, 05:27 PM

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Aya Reiko said:
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Fencedude said:
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Aya Reiko said:
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Shiroi Hane said:
Looks like I/we may have been right about her being a future version of the HiME MIYU (although she's now Merciful rather than Multiple), the SEARRS references would make no sense otherwise.[/edit]

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I disagree. Anything short of a very direct reference of HiME can only be taken with a grain of salt. The appearence of the Searrs's name really means nothing when you think about it. We already have a few characters who retain their old names, such as Takumi, Mai, and Aoi. So all we have is another name to add to that list.

The different meaning to Miyu's acronym I think suggests this is not the same Miyu from HiME.

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Whether or not this is the exact same Miyu from HiME, it is the first absolutely direct link to that series.

I mean...SEARRS FOR THE GOLDEN MILLENIUM

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Hardly. We've had tons of names and terms that came from HiME reappear in Otome. Hell, even Gakutenou returned.

Now we have to figure out what the Hell is that bird really is.

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I think Miyu is different from the other "references", she is a far more direct connection, and has even referred specifically to a HiME only concept "CHILDs"

So if there IS a connection to HiME, Miyu is it.

masterpez

03-12-2006, 05:53 PM

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Fencedude said:

Anyway, if the Shadow Otome is anyone, its probably Tomoe.

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I'm hoping it's Miya. I'd love it if she somehow came back as the Shadow Otome and put that <3 bitch Tomoe <3 in her place. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Suwako Moriya

03-12-2006, 06:18 PM

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pez said:
I'm hoping it's Miya. I'd love it if she somehow came back as the Shadow Otome and put that <3 bitch Tomoe <3 in her place. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Yeah it would definitely be nice if Miya was the Shadow Otome, but then again since she's vanished from the plot, most are going to conclude there is no way she can be it. Then again this wouldn't be the first time a character vanished from the plot to return later. Of course going by that logic that makes multiple candidates for the role...

Fencedude

03-12-2006, 06:28 PM

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Alyssa Searrs said:

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Whoa...deja vu?

Suwako Moriya

03-12-2006, 07:00 PM

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Fencedude said:
Whoa...deja vu?

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Yeah as shocking at it may seem there are times I will reuse a display name rather than pick a new one. So so I've only reused two display names, but whatever. Either way I have multiple reasons for choosing this name. Episode 22 of My-Otome being one of them. Plus it feels well partially nostalgic.

something

03-12-2006, 07:05 PM

FUCKING AWESOME. Just... fucking awesome in so many ways. Miyu, Alyssa, MAI AND MIKOTO! aaaaaah~ Man they really made us wait to see Mai though /images/graemlins/stunned0.gif

But goddamn, I don't even know where to start with this ep, other than to say that I was strangely happy when Sergey was attacked. I... am not sure why. I really liked him at first, but lately he's just gotten more and more annoying, and I'm 80% sure I want him to die from those wounds. But I'm not sure why /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

But who cares about that? Nagi and Sergey and Nina and Tomoe are unimportant to me right now. It's all about Mai and Miyu and Mikoto and Alyssa~~ And Arika of course, but she's secondary at the moment.

Still... I didn't think they'd find a way to tie Otome in with HiME very well, but it looks like they're set up to do so quite well, although it all depends on how they execute these last episodes. Will they be extremely explicit and discuss specific points of story continuity, or will it be left to the viewer to decide?

Or, will it just stop at Miyu being Miyu (or a future Miyu?), and Alyssa Searrs being her master, and all? Probably not. Anyways, I'm not going to speculate. I'm just going to hope the next four episodes are as awesome as they need to be, because 22 just raised the bar pretty damned high.

Suwako Moriya

03-12-2006, 07:10 PM

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disarm said:
Will they be extremely explicit and discuss specific points of story continuity, or will it be left to the viewer to decide?

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Knowing our luck, they'll probably leave it just vague enough that we'll be debating whether or not the two series are directly connected for a long time. Either way I'm convinced the two series are connected until they say other wise.

something

03-12-2006, 07:13 PM

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Kamina said:
The shadow otome has purple bands... which means it's not a standard Otome as has materialized to date. So, it may be a pearl. My guess is it may be Akane. Wasn't Kazuya from Caldea, which just got trashed by Aswald?

Just thinking...

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Nice observation. It WOULD make some sense, I guess, and I mean, we haven't seen Akane since, what, ep 8? 9? /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif I miss her! Though the longer she stays out of the story, the longer she'll live, I guess /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

something

03-12-2006, 07:17 PM

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Kamina said:
It's possible we may get a bit of that next episode. While the preview makes it look like a fan-service fluff piece, I expect a significant amount of exposition as well.

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Indeed. I doubt next episode will be a "fanservice" episode per se. We only have four episodes left so there is NOT room to waste an entire ep flashing some T&A. I imagine we'll get a little of that while they explain more of what happened and why things are like they are (especially what the hell Mai has been doing the last few years), but the episode will, I'd hope, be primaily serious.

Or fanservicey AND serious, if they can pull it off, whatever =P

something

03-12-2006, 07:21 PM

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pez said:
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Fencedude said:

Anyway, if the Shadow Otome is anyone, its probably Tomoe.

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I'm hoping it's Miya. I'd love it if she somehow came back as the Shadow Otome and put that <3 bitch Tomoe <3 in her place. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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That would be awesome, but I feel like it'd be a bit of a stretch for a weakling like Miya to suddenly become that powerful. Then again, we know Nagi's technology can do a lot of things... But she wouldn't be given help from Nagi since Tomoe is his bitch (or he would like to think so, I guess).

something

03-12-2006, 07:22 PM

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Alyssa Searrs said:
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Fencedude said:
Whoa...deja vu?

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Yeah as shocking at it may seem there are times I will reuse a display name rather than pick a new one. So so I've only reused two display names, but whatever. Either way I have multiple reasons for choosing this name. Episode 22 of My-Otome being one of them. Plus it feels well partially nostalgic.

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It's entirely appropriate! I saw your name switch... a day or two ago? on the forums and knew I'd be in for something interesting when I could watch 22 XD

VanG

03-12-2006, 07:23 PM

can someone refresh my memory where did this shadow otome first appear?

something

03-12-2006, 07:23 PM

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VanG said:
can someone refresh my memory where did this shadow otome first appear?

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Only in the first OP animation.

something

03-12-2006, 07:27 PM

1) So, with Miyu calling out Artemis' name, and Midori making use of Gakutenou, are those the only two Childs/Children mentioned so far in Otome? Did I miss any other name dropping before?

::waits for Mai to bust out Kagutsuchi XD:: ...Nah proabbly not.

2) So, when is Fumi gonan hurry up and get better so Shizuru and Narsuki and Nao can get back to kicking some ass? =P Natsuki's time was depressingly short. There are just so many damn characters we'll never get out fill of all of them XD But thats ok.

3) You know, we're gonna have to give HiME a thorough rewatching at some point to see when, if anything, they might have carefully foreshadowed Otome things. I mean, aside from showing Arika at the end as a teaser. I know they probably didn't assume they'd make a spinoff (sequal?) from the get-go or anything, but at SOME point they had the idea, so maybe they included some retroactive goodies...

VanG

03-12-2006, 07:29 PM

Ah I see... thanks. No wonder I don't remmeber... I've only seen the first OP like once or twice at most /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

Suwako Moriya

03-12-2006, 07:33 PM

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disarm said:
I saw your name switch... a day or two ago? on the forums and knew I'd be in for something interesting when I could watch 22 XD

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So wait you seriously concluded that because I switched to "Alyssa Searrs" something interesting must have happened in 22? Am I really that predictable?

something

03-12-2006, 07:34 PM

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Alyssa Searrs said:
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disarm said:
I saw your name switch... a day or two ago? on the forums and knew I'd be in for something interesting when I could watch 22 XD

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So wait you seriously concluded that because I switched to "Alyssa Searrs" something interesting must have happened in 22? Am I really that predictable?

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Well given that it was high time for Miyu to get into the story in a very explicit way, and that any Miyu action likely brings up Alyssa, yeah, I figured your name switch had to happen for SOME reason, especially when you're repeating one, which is rare, I think.

Lego

03-12-2006, 07:35 PM

Anyone going on with Mai and Arika having the same hair and eye color? Or am I just reading to much into it?

something

03-12-2006, 07:42 PM

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Lego said:
Anyone going on with Mai and Arika having the same hair and eye color? Or am I just reading to much into it?

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At this point it's hard to really discount ANYTHING, but yeah, I think maybe you are =P But who knows? It would sure be interesting.

Still, Mai is Takumi's sister, so if Arika and Mai were related, Arika would also likely be related to Takumi, and if that were the case I'm sure 1) something would have been hinted at back when they interacted, or 2) he probaly would have had some role in the story since then.

Besides, Mai's hair is a couple shades more orange. Arika's is similar, but not close enough to really draw anything from, I think.

golthin

03-12-2006, 08:22 PM

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disarm said:
FUCKING AWESOME. Just... fucking awesome in so many ways. Miyu, Alyssa, MAI AND MIKOTO! aaaaaah~ Man they really made us wait to see Mai though /images/graemlins/stunned0.gif

But goddamn, I don't even know where to start with this ep, other than to say that I was strangely happy when Sergey was attacked. I... am not sure why. I really liked him at first, but lately he's just gotten more and more annoying, and I'm 80% sure I want him to die from those wounds. But I'm not sure why /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

But who cares about that? Nagi and Sergey and Nina and Tomoe are unimportant to me right now. It's all about Mai and Miyu and Mikoto and Alyssa~~ And Arika of course, but she's secondary at the moment.

Still... I didn't think they'd find a way to tie Otome in with HiME very well, but it looks like they're set up to do so quite well, although it all depends on how they execute these last episodes. Will they be extremely explicit and discuss specific points of story continuity, or will it be left to the viewer to decide?

Or, will it just stop at Miyu being Miyu (or a future Miyu?), and Alyssa Searrs being her master, and all? Probably not. Anyways, I'm not going to speculate. I'm just going to hope the next four episodes are as awesome as they need to be, because 22 just raised the bar pretty damned high.

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When I want to feel I thrill, I play episode 22 and watch the part when Miyu appears, so far it never fails, I get a chill down my spine. I also used to like Sergey and was hoping for him to get with Arika, I am kind of mad that Arika still has feeling for the guy now. I was happy when Miyu ran him off, even though I wish Miyu had ignored him off and killed tomoe.

Fencedude

03-12-2006, 08:28 PM

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Lego said:
Anyone going on with Mai and Arika having the same hair and eye color? Or am I just reading to much into it?

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Mai has orange hair, Arika has...rust colored hair.

Mai has lavender eyes, Arika has blue eyes.

ayareiko

03-12-2006, 08:55 PM

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disarm said:
3) You know, we're gonna have to give HiME a thorough rewatching at some point to see when, if anything, they might have carefully foreshadowed Otome things. I mean, aside from showing Arika at the end as a teaser. I know they probably didn't assume they'd make a spinoff (sequal?) from the get-go or anything, but at SOME point they had the idea, so maybe they included some retroactive goodies...

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On those lines... sort of, but after re-watching episode 10, I noticed the three guests at Mai's birthday party bear a striking resemblence to Lilie, Miya, and Yayoi.

Does anyone have that HiME/ZHiME character comparison thingy? I wonder if anyone else noticed that too.

something

03-12-2006, 09:05 PM

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Aya Reiko said:
On those lines... sort of, but after re-watching episode 10, I noticed the three guests at Mai's birthday party bear a striking resemblence to Lilie, Miya, and Yayoi.

Does anyone have that HiME/ZHiME character comparison thingy? I wonder if anyone else noticed that too.

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Argh, I have one but photobucket squishes it so small it's unreadable. I'm sure someone else here can provide a link.

Still, I was referring more to... plot points or something like that, I guess. But I guess in the end it's impossible to differentiate between what was just reused because it existed in HiME already, and what was placed in HiME because of Otome... /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif Only the creators know that, although I think we can obviously put Arika's appearance in 26 down as one of them.

jeditictac

03-12-2006, 09:22 PM

i also kinda want sergay to die too. i liked him at first and wanted him to get with arika when she's older. but as the series has progressed he's started sucking... majorly. now i'm annoyed that arika has feelings for him still. he totally sucks and sent 4 people after her at once... and then got mashiro and tried hurting arika that way. that's just lame. and then he acts all shocked when they really try killing arika even though tomoe has made it pretty well-known that she is not a nice girl to say the least. (though i also wish miyu had just gone ahead and killed tomoe)

course i kinda want nina to die too as i just can't get any sympathy for her...

and while sergay *may* die i'm pretty certain nina won't

something

03-12-2006, 09:33 PM

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jeditictac said:
i also kinda want sergay to die too. i liked him at first and wanted him to get with arika when she's older. but as the series has progressed he's started sucking... majorly. now i'm annoyed that arika has feelings for him still.

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I think that's part of it. Arika was absolutely delightful early on, and her personality was amazing. But once she and Sergey started getting serious, she spent more time being depressed and just all around sluggish. It's like he was a leech that sucked out her vitality. Maybe I was getting flashbacks to Mai/Tate. I loved Mai early on, but by the end I cared for her much less (not that I disliked her, per se). It was like Takumi indirectly sucked the life out of her... but I can only take the comparison so far, especially since Sergey at his worst is still not nearly as annoying as Tate was at his best.

But still, it takes two to form a strange relationship, so it's not completely Sergey's fault. But I feel like the big issue I have is that between the two, Arika could only react blindly, while Sergey held all the power. The manipulation was in his hands, and Arika knew nothing about it. Nonetheless, Nagi was the one ultimately pulling the strings all along, and as such Sergey did not have true free will either. So... I don't know.

Anyway, I don't know exactly why I've soured on Sergey. I understand that his position is pretty harsh, and that he DID sacrifice a lot to help Arika and Nina, but... Ah! Whatever. Otome rocks, that's all that is important =P

Rogueman_8

03-12-2006, 10:00 PM

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Aya Reiko said:
[ QUOTE ]
disarm said:
3) You know, we're gonna have to give HiME a thorough rewatching at some point to see when, if anything, they might have carefully foreshadowed Otome things. I mean, aside from showing Arika at the end as a teaser. I know they probably didn't assume they'd make a spinoff (sequal?) from the get-go or anything, but at SOME point they had the idea, so maybe they included some retroactive goodies...

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On those lines... sort of, but after re-watching episode 10, I noticed the three guests at Mai's birthday party bear a striking resemblence to Lilie, Miya, and Yayoi.

Does anyone have that HiME/ZHiME character comparison thingy? I wonder if anyone else noticed that too.

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well, the guests are the alternate versions. this comparison was made a long time ago right before they aired. they are basically miya and yayoi while the girl who looks like lilie is sayuri in MH.

Rogueman_8

03-12-2006, 10:05 PM

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disarm said:
3) You know, we're gonna have to give HiME a thorough rewatching at some point to see when, if anything, they might have carefully foreshadowed Otome things. I mean, aside from showing Arika at the end as a teaser. I know they probably didn't assume they'd make a spinoff (sequal?) from the get-go or anything, but at SOME point they had the idea, so maybe they included some retroactive goodies...

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well, at the end of ep.15 it was noted that the 'next one' (golden era) would be in the next 300 years which was not a long wait for Searrs they mentioned. This could be a foreshadow as nothing about it was really resolved in MH. Alissa (bird) could be the new artificial valk here /images/graemlins/tongue.gif.