Strong animal violence removed from Jojo 3 (confirmed)

[Jarred]

So Jojo's #3 may have smoking and pot references, but I noticed this little bit of text on the credits page:

Some violent scenes have been redrawn by the artist for the English edition.

Now, I'm not sure what this means and I'll have to see if I can find a JP copy to compare, but this seems really odd to me. As I'm flipping through the book, it still looks pretty damn violent in places (including a guy's jaw getting completely punch off its hinge).

[Mr. Nail Bat]

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Jarred said:
So Jojo's #3 may have smoking and pot references, but I noticed this little bit of text on the credits page:

Some violent scenes have been redrawn by the artist for the English edition.

Now, I'm not sure what this means and I'll have to see if I can find a JP copy to compare, but this seems really odd to me. As I'm flipping through the book, it still looks pretty damn violent in places (including a guy's jaw getting completely punch off its hinge).

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Considering the U.S. market, maybe violence was added. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Jarred]

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Geoduck said:
Considering the U.S. market, maybe violence was added. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Hehe. Well, you might be somewhat right because the statement is not very clear. The violence in this volume is right on par with previous ones. Heads being skewered, toungues being gorged, and even a scene with a face being sliced off with a knife. Pretty graphic.

What I'm wondering, is if Araki went back and improved upon some of the artwork, but then it's odd that VIZ explicitly pointed out "violent scenes".

[BART]

Maybe Araki didn't think the scenes were coherent. (I.E. you can't understand what's happening.) I know that was the complaint I got about the arc which inspired the PS2 game.

[Jarred]

Okay, so I found the one panel that is edited due to strong animal violence against a dog. There is a scene on page 115 in VIZ's version where a dog is swallowed up by some blob and the owner yanks on the leash. In the original, you see a pretty graphic image of the dog's head coming off towards the reader. In the redrawn version, the head flies off to the side of the panel with no gore. It is a completely new drawn panel of the same content with a different angle, nothing is really changed with what happens.

I must say, this is quite strange. I wonder who wanted this changed, VIZ or Araki? And the irony is that I guess it's okay for a cobra to be shot and ripped to shreds, which is what happens later in the volume (181-182).

[BlazinTy]

is it possible for you to post a scan jared?

[Jarred]

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is it possible for you to post a scan jared?

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I don't have access to a scanner.

[BART]

I don't really see the point. It's still violent from a side angle, just not a frontal angle. And why is that considered more violent than <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>Polnareff's ankle being cut open </span>?! Anyway, I just hope if they ever consider re-releasing Baoh, that it'll still be uncut, or I'll just buy the used copies at my comic store.

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sides from a different angle, which is less in your face... the detail i would guess is also less. No gore = no blood. Bloodless violence is ok remember?

[Njr Scrawl]

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Okay, so I found the one panel that is edited due to strong animal violence against a dog. There is a scene on page 115 in VIZ's version where a dog is swallowed up by some blob and the owner yanks on the leash. In the original, you see a pretty graphic image of the dog's head coming off towards the reader. In the redrawn version, the head flies off to the side of the panel with no gore. It is a completely new drawn panel of the same content with a different angle, nothing is really changed with what happens.

I must say, this is quite strange. I wonder who wanted this changed, VIZ or Araki? And the irony is that I guess it's okay for a cobra to be shot and ripped to shreds, which is what happens later in the volume (181-182).

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I approve of this type of scene being edited. I wish a certain scene in Eva with a cat had been edited out or hidden. /images/graemlins/relief1.gif

[Jarred]

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Wrath of the Njr said:
I approve of this type of scene being edited. I wish a certain scene in Eva with a cat had been edited out or hidden. /images/graemlins/relief1.gif

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But the scene here has not been "edited out or hidden". It's still there. The dog still gets his head ripped off. It's just not presented in the over-the-top violent style like everything else in the book, which is plentiful as I think this is the most violent volume yet.

I'd have to ask VIZ, but I'm wondering if the editor or Araki decided that even with all the violence in the book, that scene was a bit too much, so he just redrew in a fashion that was not as graphic.

[Munty]

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Wrath of the Njr said:
I approve of this type of scene being edited. I wish a certain scene in Eva with a cat had been edited out or hidden. /images/graemlins/relief1.gif

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What scene with a cat would that be?

[Njr Scrawl]

<span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>Kaworo's introduction. He kills a cute stray kitten Shinji has found when they first meet. </span>

[Puppet Master]

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Jarred said:

I'd have to ask VIZ, but I'm wondering if the editor or Araki decided that even with all the violence in the book, that scene was a bit too much, so he just redrew in a fashion that was not as graphic.

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Haven't even seen any of it but from how it sounds if that's the case I would have to agree with him. Just from how it sounds it makes my stomach turn. /images/graemlins/depresse.gif

[christianlf]

Wonderful. Another SJ release to toss in the trash heap. I really ought to have learned my lesson about starting collecting SJ series by now. /images/graemlins/relief1.gif

[Lungs]

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chmblspuzz said:
Wonderful. Another SJ release to toss in the trash heap. I really ought to have learned my lesson about starting collecting SJ series by now. /images/graemlins/relief1.gif

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I really don't think an edit this minor should stop you from buying a really good series. I mean, seriously, does the fact that you don't get to see highly detailed dog-decapitations bother you that much?

[Jarred]

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chmblspuzz said:
Wonderful. Another SJ release to toss in the trash heap. I really ought to have learned my lesson about starting collecting SJ series by now. /images/graemlins/relief1.gif

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I really don't think an edit this minor should stop you from buying a really good series. I mean, seriously, does the fact that you don't get to see highly detailed dog-decapitations bother you that much?

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And FWIW, there are IMO MUCH worse scenes in the book as far as violence goes, that made the dog decapitation look like a walk in the park.

[christianlf]

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chmblspuzz said:
Wonderful. Another SJ release to toss in the trash heap. I really ought to have learned my lesson about starting collecting SJ series by now. /images/graemlins/relief1.gif

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I really don't think an edit this minor should stop you from buying a really good series. I mean, seriously, does the fact that you don't get to see highly detailed dog-decapitations bother you that much?

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I don't buy any series with edits. Period. There are too many good manga out there that are treated right that I don't have the time or inclination to waste a penny of my money on edited material. Any company that censors a manga will not get my dollar supporting it.

[Randycat]

More violent scenes? Can you give me an example? (sorry haven't read the series, wondering if I should. . . feel free to reply in the review thread if this is off topic. . .)

[Jarred]

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Randycat said:
More violent scenes? Can you give me an example? (sorry haven't read the series, wondering if I should. . . feel free to reply in the review thread if this is off topic. . .)

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Toungues, eyes, heads being skewered
Face being sliced off with a razor
Jaw being physically punched off its hinges
etc, etc

[bakedleech]

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chmblspuzz said:
Wonderful. Another SJ release to toss in the trash heap. I really ought to have learned my lesson about starting collecting SJ series by now. /images/graemlins/relief1.gif

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I really don't think an edit this minor should stop you from buying a really good series. I mean, seriously, does the fact that you don't get to see highly detailed dog-decapitations bother you that much?

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I don't buy any series with edits. Period. There are too many good manga out there that are treated right that I don't have the time or inclination to waste a penny of my money on edited material. Any company that censors a manga will not get my dollar supporting it.

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Even if it's a scene redrawn by the original artist? How do you feel about the magazine to tankoubon changes that happen regularly?

[christianlf]

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Lungs said:
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chmblspuzz said:
Wonderful. Another SJ release to toss in the trash heap. I really ought to have learned my lesson about starting collecting SJ series by now. /images/graemlins/relief1.gif

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I really don't think an edit this minor should stop you from buying a really good series. I mean, seriously, does the fact that you don't get to see highly detailed dog-decapitations bother you that much?

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I don't buy any series with edits. Period. There are too many good manga out there that are treated right that I don't have the time or inclination to waste a penny of my money on edited material. Any company that censors a manga will not get my dollar supporting it.

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Even if it's a scene redrawn by the original artist? How do you feel about the magazine to tankoubon changes that happen regularly?

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That is an entirely different scenario (they're not even kind of related), and as such, is irrelevant here. These changes were not made in the Japanese tankoubon.

I should also note that the author signing off or redrawing something specifically for the American version doesn't change my opinion in the slightest bit. It's censorship anyway you color it, and I'm not cool with that. There's really nothing to debate.

[DrMM]

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chmblspuzz said:
Wonderful. Another SJ release to toss in the trash heap. I really ought to have learned my lesson about starting collecting SJ series by now. /images/graemlins/relief1.gif

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I really don't think an edit this minor should stop you from buying a really good series. I mean, seriously, does the fact that you don't get to see highly detailed dog-decapitations bother you that much?

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I don't buy any series with edits. Period. There are too many good manga out there that are treated right that I don't have the time or inclination to waste a penny of my money on edited material. Any company that censors a manga will not get my dollar supporting it.

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Even if it's a scene redrawn by the original artist? How do you feel about the magazine to tankoubon changes that happen regularly?

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That is an entirely different scenario (they're not even kind of related), and as such, is irrelevant here. These changes were not made in the Japanese tankoubon.

I should also note that the author signing off or redrawing something specifically for the American version doesn't change my opinion in the slightest bit. It's censorship anyway you color it, and I'm not cool with that. There's really nothing to debate.

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Are we 100% sure that Viz asked the author to redraw it? I can't think of any specific instances but I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that some authors have redrawn specific scenes for a republished wideban (that's what they're called, right?) version years after a series was originally published.

[christianlf]

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DrMM said:
Are we 100% sure that Viz asked the author to redraw it? I can't think of any specific instances but I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that some authors have redrawn specific scenes for a republished wideban (that's what they're called, right?) version years after a series was originally published.

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The book contains the disclaimer: "Some violent scenes have been redrawn by the artist for the English edition."

Emphasis mine.

[Texhnolyze]

So because it's by the original artist (as Viz claims anyway) it's somehow okay? I need more of an explanation than that.

If the US version of TenTen as it is now had a disclaimer that it was redrawn by Oh Great! himself would you buy it then?

[BART]

It sucks, but doesn't change my enjoyment of the manga. It's also not relevant to the plot. Plus boycotting Jojo won't help it anyway, since it's less known and/or popular than other Jump manga, and it'll just convince Viz not to publish any more of the series.

[bakedleech]

I just like poking at this issue, trying to make people really consider their positions.

There was an instance in volume 1 of Sugar Sugar Rune where a scene that showed a panty was redrawn by the mangaka in the original magazine-to-tankoubon switch so that it didn't show a panty in the tank and subsequent English edition. The consensus was that this instance of "censorship" was ok, since it was apparently the mangaka's idea and it occurred in Japan.

This is a very black and white issue to some people on this forum. I just want to point out some of the greyer areas in the continuum.

[Vertical_Ed]

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bakedleech said:
There was an instance in volume 1 of Sugar Sugar Rune where a scene that showed a panty was redrawn by the mangaka in the original magazine-to-tankoubon switch so that it didn't show a panty in the tank and subsequent English edition.

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Going a little off topic here, but how soon was Anno aware Rune was going to be done in English? Because this is actually very serious. If artists are censoring themselves at this point (when they usually add more gore and violence to tankobon) manga as a whole is in serious trouble. Artists should not concern themselves with a foreign market and hurt their own market in the process. That is definitely not for the greater good.

[BART]

Doesn't manga get edited from magazines anyway? Plus, I think if an artist can't sell something without fanservice, then manga's already in trouble.

[Josephine]

Sort of belated (I just got my copy), but I was curious if anyone could confirm a name change, too. A webpage that I won't link link but is an older Jojo site with a fairly comprehensive list of frequently asked questions lists the name of the Ebony Devil stand user as being Devo, and quotes it as "Devo the Cursed," which I would assume indicates it was used in the actual series and not named later like some of the other users. He's called "Soul Sacrifice" in the English version.

The page also lists the name of the Yellow Temperance user as being Rubber Soul, but in the English version, this is never mentioned, only Yellow Temperance's name. But again, it seems as if Araki went back and named some later, so this could be an instance of that.

I kinda saw this coming, and it may have been discussed before that using some band/song names may not have been okay due to the McFarlane/Tony Twist thing (the website I mentioned earlier talks about it a bit, and the person who maintains it claims to be a Viz employee, for what it's worth). But it seems strange that they let really obvious things like J Geil and Captain Tennille references through but stop Devo, of all bands. Is Devo still touring, and for that matter, isn't J. Geil's Band still touring?

[Jarred]

Yeah, the name Devo was changed (and I think I've read the same site as you). I'm curious too as to why Devo and not J. Geil and others. Maybe VIZ asked and Devo said 'no'? Maybe 'Devo' is trademarked or something, while J. Geil is not? I dunno.

[BART]

Viz said they were able to get Araki to personally re-draw the scene, so I guess it's ok...

[Jarred]

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Viz said they were able to get Araki to personally re-draw the scene, so I guess it's ok...

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The first post states the credits page clause, Some violent scenes have been redrawn by the artist for the English edition. This isn't anything new worth dragging up a 2-month dead thread. Now, if you had info about why they decided to redraw the scene in question . . .