Ghost in the Shell: 2nd Gig - Questions about the DTS discs.

[Captain Impulse]

Forgive my ignorance, but I'm a bit confused and I know there is someone here who can help me figure this out. The DTS discs for Ghost in the Shell: 2nd Gig have the option of Japanese audio, but I can not find any actual hints of the track anywhere on the disc. Does it even exist? If not, what's the deal?

Basically, neither selecting it from the menu, nor switching audio tracks with the remote will bring it up; it's as if the track is not on the disc (which I believe it isn't, for some reason). This is true on all four discs released so far.

I have yet to go back and check the Stand Alone Complex (first season) discs to see if this is also the case.

My player is DTS compatible (or at least, so says the DTS logo on the front of it), so you can probably understand my confusion.

Someone please enlighten me.

[kusanagi-sama]

The fact that the DTS discs contain the DTS audio and nothing else (because full bitrate DTS is also 1.5Mbps), there really isn't any need to label them as DTS because they figure that you would already know that there is DTS on them.

[christianlf]

Can you list your player? And have you tried to play your discs on another player or your PC if you're able? This sounds like a problem your player is having, especially since it is consistent across all the discs.

I own all the 2nd Gig DTS discs, and they all most definitely contain a working Japanese language DTS track.

edit: Also, from the sound of it, your player may either not be DTS able or not be set to output DTS. If the only track you can access is English, it may be because the only non-DTS track on the disc is an English 5.1 mix. I would advise checking your player settings to make sure your player is capable and set to decode/output DTS.

[christianlf]

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kusanagi-sama said:
The fact that the DTS discs contain the DTS audio and nothing else (because full bitrate DTS is also 1.5Mbps), there really isn't any need to label them as DTS because they figure that you would already know that there is DTS on them.

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I could be wrong, but I highly doubt that the 2nd Gig discs' DTS is full rate. Also, all of the discs contain 3 audio tracks: Japanese DTS, English DTS, and English DD 5.1.

[Captain Impulse]

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chmblspuzz said:
Can you list your player? And have you tried to play your discs on another player or your PC if you're able? This sounds like a problem your player is having, especially since it is consistent across all the discs.

I own all the 2nd Gig DTS discs, and they all most definitely contain a working Japanese language DTS track.

edit: Also, from the sound of it, your player may either not be DTS able or not be set to output DTS. If the only track you can access is English, it may be because the only non-DTS track on the disc is an English 5.1 mix. I would advise checking your player settings to make sure your player is capable and set to decode/output DTS.

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Well I'm a work right now and will be for the next 10 hours <sigh>, so I'll check the model when I get home. It's a Sony, and a 5-disc player, but that's all I know for now. Now that I know the discs have a Japanese DTS track, and since the same issue is consistent across all discs, I'm convinced it must be my DVD player.

Good thing, too. I first noticed this on the second 2nd Gig disc, and I almost went back and tried to return/exchange the DVD. I let it slide for the moment, but I didn't think to check the first disc to see if it had the problem as well. Later I noticed the same thing happened on Discs 3 and 4. Went back and checked them all, and voila! - craptacular!

I'll be taking a mallet to the player when I get home.

Thanks to both of you for the feedback.

[christianlf]

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Captain Impulse said:
I'll be taking a mallet to the player when I get home.

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Before you do that, be sure to check your player's audio settings. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Thanks to both of you for the feedback.

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Happy to help.

[Peter]

Does any sound come out of any other DTS DVDs you may have? Your audio receiver just might not have a DTS decoder.

[Captain Impulse]

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Peter said:
Does any sound come out of any other DTS DVDs you may have? Your audio receiver just might not have a DTS decoder.

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Now that you mention it, I seem to remember popping in one of the DTS discs from the first GitS season, and it being completely silent while playing. I figured my DVD player didn't support DTS, so I just brushed it off. I think I had a different DVD player then too, which maybe is why the symptoms appeared different.

[slerch666]

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chmblspuzz said:
I could be wrong, but I highly doubt that the 2nd Gig discs' DTS is full rate. Also, all of the discs contain 3 audio tracks: Japanese DTS, English DTS, and English DD 5.1.

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You aren't wrong, the tracks are 1/2 rate, so the total for both tracks would be 1.5 mbps.

[MeggieMay]

You do have a DTS decoder, don't you? Just because the player says it's compatable doesn't mean it has the decoder. That is a secondary piece of equipment on some players.

What the DVD player means by DTS compatable is that it has the hookups for a DTS receiver (not all DVD players have them). I know I thought one of my DVD players had DTS but after listening to a lot of silence on GitS SAC Disk 1 (I bought the DTS version for the soundtrack and not the DTS, actually), I got my book out and discovered the above was what the DVD player meant by "DTS Compatable."

[remo]

Do you also have a DTS-compatible receiver, and is it hooked up properly?

[TAS]

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Do you also have a DTS-compatible receiver, and is it hooked up properly?

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And go into the setup menu of the DVD player, by default most have the DTS output turned off. You have to go into the sound/audio menu and turn it on.

[kusanagi-sama]

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remo said:
Do you also have a DTS-compatible receiver, and is it hooked up properly?

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And go into the setup menu of the DVD player, by default most have the DTS output turned off. You have to go into the sound/audio menu and turn it on.

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I don't know. My JVC XV-SA602 DVD player doesn't have that option. It does have the option to control speaker size and such, as it has its own speaker connections in the rear.

[TAS]

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remo said:
Do you also have a DTS-compatible receiver, and is it hooked up properly?

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And go into the setup menu of the DVD player, by default most have the DTS output turned off. You have to go into the sound/audio menu and turn it on.

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I don't know. My JVC XV-SA602 DVD player doesn't have that option. It does have the option to control speaker size and such, as it has its own speaker connections in the rear.

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From JVC's web site (http://www.jvc.com/product.jsp?modelId=MODL026937&pathId=10&page=1&ar chive=true)
Built-in Dolby Digital/ DTS Multi-channel Decoders
So it should be able to play them using the analog outputs.
If you are using the digital output to a receiver it has DTS passthrough. Set Digital Output to "STREAM/PCM" on the audio page.

[LOUiE]

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TAS said:
From JVC's web site (http://www.jvc.com/product.jsp?modelId=MODL026937&pathId=10&page=1&ar chive=true)
Built-in Dolby Digital/ DTS Multi-channel Decoders
So it should be able to play them using the analog outputs.
If you are using the digital output to a receiver it has DTS passthrough. Set Digital Output to "STREAM/PCM" on the audio page.

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Is that really true? You can play DTS sound out through the analog(red/white) audio out when the decoder is built into the dvd player? I had never heard that before.

[JeffDM]

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TAS said:
From JVC's web site (http://www.jvc.com/product.jsp?modelId=MODL026937&pathId=10&page=1&ar chive=true)
Built-in Dolby Digital/ DTS Multi-channel Decoders
So it should be able to play them using the analog outputs.
If you are using the digital output to a receiver it has DTS passthrough. Set Digital Output to "STREAM/PCM" on the audio page.

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Is that really true? You can play DTS sound out through the analog(red/white) audio out when the decoder is built into the dvd player? I had never heard that before.

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You won't get full DTS, but if there is a built-in decoder, then you may be able to at least get a DTS stereo downmix.

Some players also have six channel analog out, which should do fine as a full DTS decoder, if you have a sound system with a six channel analog input, then you will more likely benefit from the full six channel DTS track.

It is a bit tough to explain clearly, I hope that makes some sense.

[Sensuifu]

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JeffDM said:
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LOUiE said:
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TAS said:
From JVC's web site (http://www.jvc.com/product.jsp?modelId=MODL026937&pathId=10&page=1&ar chive=true)
Built-in Dolby Digital/ DTS Multi-channel Decoders
So it should be able to play them using the analog outputs.
If you are using the digital output to a receiver it has DTS passthrough. Set Digital Output to "STREAM/PCM" on the audio page.

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Is that really true? You can play DTS sound out through the analog(red/white) audio out when the decoder is built into the dvd player? I had never heard that before.

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You won't get full DTS, but if there is a built-in decoder, then you may be able to at least get a DTS stereo downmix.

Some players also have six channel analog out, which should do fine as a full DTS decoder, if you have a sound system with a six channel analog input, then you will more likely benefit from the full six channel DTS track.

It is a bit tough to explain clearly, I hope that makes some sense.

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Depending on the hardware, the .1 (LFE) track may have very limited or no bass-management. On some DVD players and receivers, you might be able to set crossover parameters or filters, but 6-channel audio (including SACD, DVD-A) routed through the analog-outs might not produce the proper bass extension you'd normally hear when the receiver is doing the decoding. DVD-A/SACD releases are music formats, which don't necessarily need a .1 track, but the lack of bass-management can also affect a DD/DTS analog output, again depending on the hardware and how the audio engineer encoded the track. Though, if the hardware and release is pretty recent, then there's the possibility of not encountering this issue.