Is Kami-Kaze edited?

[Advent_Nebula]

I am not fimular whith the way Tokyopop handels it's manga, and I remember from what I read of Kami-Kaze in the past was pretty grapic.

The main reason I ma saking is because I noticed it in Borders today and not shrinwraped. (I did not have time to look because I had to head to my 7:00Pm class). Now from what I can remember is that some of the content was rather grapic. So dose anyone know if Tokopop edited any of the content. The only Tokyopop manga I have is Tsukuyomi: Moon Phase so I don't really know what Tokyopop is like.

[HyugaKojiro]

I think its uncensored, I got it from TRSI with shrinkwrap, and it wasn't the kind TRSI uses for general manga that comes unsealed but the kind that is used for Berserk. As far as I can tell its uncensored, the only scene that I suspect of maybe being censored is the one in the beginning with the couple (H scene) in the subway, but considering the JP laws I think that's what the original looked like too. I still have the first volume of the German version so I can double check if that scene was edited or not.

Edit (no pun intended): I went back and dug out my German volume 1 and it pains me to say yes it's censored/edited. From the underground H-BJ scene where 2 of the 3 panels, showing them in the act, focus on the girls face are edited. In the US version you see her with a open mouth and nothing else, in the German version you see the "snake" but not its "head". Also two color pages are missing in the US version each page featuring one of the main characters. Also the first page on the German version is a semi transparent gray/silver page with a gold Kanji on it (I'm taking a wild guess that its meaning is Kami Kaze). I'm not sure if this was in the JP version but its definately not in the US version. Also the German book has bigger dimensions than the US one, meaning its not the standard manga size in circulation. I guess Kamikaze is going on my import from amazon.de list after all, along with Peacemaker, PM: Kurogane, and TenTen.

[Dicrel Seijin]

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HyugaKojiro said:
Edit (no pun intended): I went back and dug out my German volume 1 and it pains me to say yes it's censored/edited. From the underground H-BJ scene where 2 of the 3 panels, showing them in the act, focus on the girls face are edited. In the US version you see her with a open mouth and nothing else, in the German version you see the "snake" but not its "head". Also two color pages are missing in the US version each page featuring one of the main characters. Also the first page on the German version is a semi transparent gray/silver page with a gold Kanji on it (I'm taking a wild guess that its meaning is Kami Kaze). I'm not sure if this was in the JP version but its definately not in the US version. Also the German book has bigger dimensions than the US one, meaning its not the standard manga size in circulation. I guess Kamikaze is going on my import from amazon.de list after all, along with Peacemaker, PM: Kurogane, and TenTen.

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That is disappointing to hear. Odd, considering the content, I do not know why they did not just rate it M rather than OT.

So penis bad, but decapitation okay. /images/graemlins/stunned0.gif It makes you despair. /images/graemlins/relief1.gif

I am curious if anything was cut from Sakurai's scenes in chapter 3 and 4 or from the videotape in chapter 4.

[Advent_Nebula]

I am adding this to my import list as well.

Now how is Tokyopop gona handle the later parts of the manga?

[new1]

Oi this sucks... After just getting into collecting I was trying to avoid buying censored titles... Hmmm anyone willing to scan and show us what was cut (Those color pages sound awesome) and Advent_Nebula what do the later chapters cover? Worse than what is currently printed? Ive got a bad feeling about this... /images/graemlins/depresse.gif

btw Awesome avatar Advent_Nebula!

[Jarred]

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Kousaka Makoto said:
I am curious if anything was cut from Sakurai's scenes in chapter 3 and 4 or from the videotape in chapter 4.

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I'm not familiar with the original, but there is nudity in all of those scenes, nipples included.

[Jadawin]

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new1 said:
Oi this sucks... After just getting into collecting I was trying to avoid buying censored titles... Hmmm anyone willing to scan and show us what was cut (Those color pages sound awesome) and Advent_Nebula what do the later chapters cover? Worse than what is currently printed? Ive got a bad feeling about this... /images/graemlins/depresse.gif
btw Awesome avatar Advent_Nebula!

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I have the german edition so I could do the scanning job.

And to those who plan on buying the german edition: make sure to order the old edition. Panini Germany is currently releasing a new edition of Kamikaze. While the price and the bigger format are the same they left out the color pages and the dusk jacket. Other possibility would be to buy the french edition by Panini France or even the italian edition I guess.

[Dicrel Seijin]

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Jarred said:
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Kousaka Makoto said:
I am curious if anything was cut from Sakurai's scenes in chapter 3 and 4 or from the videotape in chapter 4.

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I'm not familiar with the original, but there is nudity in all of those scenes, nipples included.

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Okay, there was that (nipples).

Um, so what later parts might get censored? And in what volumes?

[animeman]

Doesn't seem to be edited at all and everthing is left intact. I just got my copy and read through it. All the nudity and the nipples are all there in Volume 1.

[Advent_Nebula]

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blee said:
Doesn't seem to be edited at all and everthing is left intact. I just got my copy and read through it. All the nudity and the nipples are all there in Volume 1.

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Did you read this?

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HyugaKojiro said:
I think its uncensored, I got it from TRSI with shrinkwrap, and it wasn't the kind TRSI uses for general manga that comes unsealed but the kind that is used for Berserk. As far as I can tell its uncensored, the only scene that I suspect of maybe being censored is the one in the beginning with the couple (H scene) in the subway, but considering the JP laws I think that's what the original looked like too. I still have the first volume of the German version so I can double check if that scene was edited or not.

Edit (no pun intended): I went back and dug out my German volume 1 and it pains me to say yes it's censored/edited. From the underground H-BJ scene where 2 of the 3 panels, showing them in the act, focus on the girls face are edited. In the US version you see her with a open mouth and nothing else, in the German version you see the "snake" but not its "head". Also two color pages are missing in the US version each page featuring one of the main characters. Also the first page on the German version is a semi transparent gray/silver page with a gold Kanji on it (I'm taking a wild guess that its meaning is Kami Kaze). I'm not sure if this was in the JP version but its definately not in the US version. Also the German book has bigger dimensions than the US one, meaning its not the standard manga size in circulation.

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Tokyopop did do some editing, and latter volumes have more than that.

[Advent_Nebula]

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new1 said:
Oi this sucks... After just getting into collecting I was trying to avoid buying censored titles... Hmmm anyone willing to scan and show us what was cut (Those color pages sound awesome) and Advent_Nebula what do the later chapters cover? Worse than what is currently printed? Ive got a bad feeling about this... /images/graemlins/depresse.gif

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Took me a while and I had to talk to some people I know, but a latter volume has a rape sceen in it that is very key to the story. None of can quite remeber what volume and how long it was. All we could remember is that it was rather important.

[HyugaKojiro]

Well I got a new shipment from amazon.de and I got volume two (I also have 4-7 now but I'm not reading those until 3 gets here). Volume 2 in the US should most likely be uncut as there aren't any situations as there were in vol.1, well almost uncut as there are 5 color pages which most likely won't make the cut, even as B&W pages.

[Dicrel Seijin]

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HyugaKojiro said:
(snip) well almost uncut as there are 5 color pages which most likely won't make the cut, even as B&W pages.

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Um, could you clarify? Why won't these 5 pages make the cut even as B&W pages?

[HyugaKojiro]

I'm basing this on the release of the first US volume which only had two color pages. The German edition of vol.1 had 5 color pages in total, two before the title page and 3 after the title page. The US version had the two color pages that were before the title page, and I believe (more like speculate) that they only printed those because one of them contains text that's relevant to the the story (the text stays untranslated in the German volume). Vol.2 of the German edition has 5 color pages after the title page and none of them have any text on them that's relevant to the story, hence I'm assuming that they won't be in.

[Dicrel Seijin]

Ah, thanks for the clarification.

Umm, you don't happen to have a scanner or URL to show what we are missing, do you?

[grungelee]

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HyugaKojiro said:
Vol.2 of the German edition has 5 color pages after the title page and none of them have any text on them that's relevant to the story, hence I'm assuming that they won't be in.

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The German edition must have included art from somewhere else, because the JP books only have 2 color pgs for Vol.1 (+ vellum page), and 2 color pages for Vol.2 (these are story pages around the middle of the book). Other than the dust jacket insets (the part that folds into the books) thats all the JP edition has. Unless of course there are different editions in JP as well... /images/graemlins/knowital.gif

[HyugaKojiro]

To Kousaka Makoto: sorry my scanner/printer broke down some time ago. But Jadawin if you still frequent the boards could you please scan the pages if its not too much trouble, it would help out a lot.

To grunge: The color pages of the German edition are all stand-alone illustrations of the main characters (apart from the second color page in vol.1 which are related to the story), so none of them are color versions of existing pages. Maybe there are more than two versions out in Japan as you said, or maybe the images were included in the mag that kamikaze was first serialized in, and then they didn't make the cut for the GN release.

[Jadawin]

I only have the first vol. so I cant help out with the 2nd one.

[HyugaKojiro]

If you can scan the first one, that would be of great help, then grunge can check if the pages were indeed somewhere in the JP version.

[Jadawin]

Ok, will do. I already said I could do it before but got no reply so I thought nobody cares.

[HyugaKojiro]

Oh yeah if you could scan the one page that was censored (the one with the two BJ panels) it woul be helpful as well to those who don't have the German/Japanese version to compare the edits to.

[Jadawin]

Color pages:

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1391/scannen00010lc.jpg
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/6770/scannen00023in.jpg
http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/5179/scannen00036jj.jpg
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/9740/scannen00049xz.jpg
http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/392/scannen00056nr.jpg

BJ scene:

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/2600/scannen00069rq.jpg

Dust jacket inside:

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/7885/scannen00095lc.jpg

Dusk jacket outside:

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8748/scannen00105wy.jpg

[Dicrel Seijin]

Jawadin, thanks so much for showing us what we're missing.

It would have been nice if the other illustrations had been kept in, even as B&W.

Editing does explain the slightly odd lip contour of the girl in the second edited panel of the BJ scene.

[Peter Ahlstrom]

Those other illustrations were not in the Japanese book that I saw.

[chloes_fork]

(discovers thread late)

This is very disappointing. I'm just getting more into manga after several years as an anime fan, and I was under the impression that Tokyopop was one of the relative "good guys" in the manga editing game. I knew they did some cuts to Initial D, and one minor edit to GTO, but I hoped that was all in the past for them. I thought I could buy their new titles pretty much without concern. Apparently, I thought wrong. /images/graemlins/relief1.gif

[Advent_Nebula]

Any one come across edits for volume 2?

[Dicrel Seijin]

I don't know.

There were no "gratutious" sex scenes... just a whole lot of violence, which seems to be okay (no matter how bloody, or visceral).

There were no odd voids in the artwork, slightly off artwork, or non-sequitor panel-to-panel transitions.

Looks good. *keeping fingers crossed*

[Peter Ahlstrom]

Volume 2 is not censored in any way. As far as I know, none of the following volumes will be either.

[chloes_fork]

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Peter Ahlstrom said:
Volume 2 is not censored in any way. As far as I know, none of the following volumes will be either.

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Good I guess, but the damage is already done as far as this series goes. Since I won't be buying the edited volume one, I clearly won't be getting any subsequent volumes either.

[HitokiriShadow]

Volume 3 has been rated M (18+) and is shrinkwrapped in the store. I haven't read it yet, but its probably safe to say there won't be edits here.

I'm guessing this is the volume people were worried would have an important scene cut out from?

[Rhodes]

since its been decided to boost the rating and shrinkwrap... any chance TP can go back and undo the edits to the 1st volume?

[Peter Ahlstrom]

If that ever does happen, I'll notify this thread, but I'm not in a position to make predictions about it.