Moments when you thought a character was spouting utter BS

[pianocello]

Has there ever been a scene where an anime character starts saying something and you then you start shaking your head and thinking that he/she just said the biggest load of crap ever.

To get the ball rolling, here is an example:
Gantz : When confronted by Kurono, the blue-haired sicko starts talking about the American war in Iraq and starts justifying himself by saying that because thousands were killed in Iraq, it was okay for him to brutally beat and kill innocents because what's the harm in killing a few more when many have already died in Iraq. I was utterly shaking my head in disbelief at his bullsh*t. Going by his logic that was full of horsedung, I could randomly club some innocent stranger on the street to death for no reason other than the fact that people were dying in Iraq.
BTW...I hate that sicko.

[DanielJr]

Are you honestly surprised a character from Japanese animation said something like that? GitS is full of innuendos to the "American Empire" as well. I think Evangelion has a few too.


As for the question at hand, I'd have to say any of Ran Kotobuki's speaches in Super Gals.

[Sensuifu]

you can never get enough of King Hamdo's [NTHT] mono/dialogues.

[Kurou]

Not necessarily any particular lines, but Gundam Seed (Destiny in particular) has some not-so-subtle digs at the Earth Alliance (which is blatantly the US) always being the evil warmonger types.

Then there's the (obviously Japan) Orb, which is always right.

[Isuzu Inugami]

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Sensuifu said:
you can never get enough of King Hamdo's [NTHT] mono/dialogues.

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He was just too far over the top. In an otherwise intelligent series, I couldn't understand why one of his immediate underlings didn't just shoot him in the head and stage a coup.

Usually I shake my head at BS when characters attempt to explain whatever variety of super-science they're employing. Sometimes the less said the better.

[Dylonius Funk]

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DanielJr said:
Are you honestly surprised a character from Japanese animation said something like that? GitS is full of innuendos to the "American Empire" as well. I think Evangelion has a few too.


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The only reference to American i can recall is from when <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'> Unit4 and the Nevade Nerv base "exploded" </span> Sakura Wars; The Movie is a film that is basically an "American as villan" movie. They don't even try to be subtle about it.

[Dylonius Funk]

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DanielJr said:
Are you honestly surprised a character from Japanese animation said something like that? GitS is full of innuendos to the "American Empire" as well. I think Evangelion has a few too.


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The only reference to America i can recall from Eva is from when <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'> Unit4 and the Nevade Nerv base "exploded" </span>

ON the otehr hand, Sakura Wars; The Movie is a film that is basically an "American as villan" movie. They don't even try to be subtle about it.

[Johnny]

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piano_cello_conducting said:
Has there ever been a scene where an anime character starts saying something and you then you start shaking your head and thinking that he/she just said the biggest load of crap ever.

To get the ball rolling, here is an example:
Gantz : When confronted by Kurono, the blue-haired sicko starts talking about the American war in Iraq and starts justifying himself by saying that because thousands were killed in Iraq, it was okay for him to brutally beat and kill innocents because what's the harm in killing a few more when many have already died in Iraq. I was utterly shaking my head in disbelief at his bullsh*t. Going by his logic that was full of horsedung, I could randomly club some innocent stranger on the street to death for no reason other than the fact that people were dying in Iraq.
BTW...I hate that sicko.

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Haha yeah, when I first watched that I was thinking it was bound to piss a lot of people off!

[Chloe]

Well, Ilpalazzo and that mysterious moustache guy do this a lot in Excel Saga, to say nothing of Excel herself,but I don't know if they should be considered here since that was apparently a deliberate choice. /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

The guy spouting all that drivel in the final episode of Gasaraki was just full of it; they would have been better to just leave in unresolved as opposed to subjecting us to that incoherent rant.

[Njr Scrawl]

End or Evangelion.

1) The White Moon/Black Moon explanation by Fuyutuski as <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>Third Impact &amp; what happens to Eva 01</span>, &amp; the other Evababble explanation in that scene. Every time I watch it, its still confusing. Is there a clearer explanation anywhere?

2) What Rei says to Shinji (&amp; the others) in the surreal Complementation act. I follow &amp; appreciate the TV version, which is a lot clearer - the movie is /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif by comparison.

[Shsway]

Sometimes, when characters overdo it with the "Fight, and ultimately win with LOVE!" message, I find it to be incredibly tedious and full of crap.

For this very reason, I couldn't stand Tanabe from Planetes. Every other time she opened her mouth I wanted to smack her.

[O-chan]

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Wrath of the Njr said:
End or Evangelion.

1) The White Moon/Black Moon explanation by Fuyutuski as <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>Third Impact &amp; what happens to Eva 01</span>, &amp; the other Evababble explanation in that scene. Every time I watch it, its still confusing. Is there a clearer explanation anywhere?

2) What Rei says to Shinji (&amp; the others) in the surreal Complementation act. I follow &amp; appreciate the TV version, which is a lot clearer - the movie is /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif by comparison.

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I thought everytime ANYONE opened their mouth in EoE it was total BS. I just watch it for the graphic violence.

O-chan

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Shsway said:
Sometimes, when characters overdo it with the "Fight, and ultimately win with LOVE!" message, I find it to be incredibly tedious and full of crap.

For this very reason, I couldn't stand Tanabe from Planetes. Every other time she opened her mouth I wanted to smack her.

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Which was you know, a good part of the point behind her character and what happens to her...

[Crocodile]

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Shsway said:
Sometimes, when characters overdo it with the "Fight, and ultimately win with LOVE!" message, I find it to be incredibly tedious and full of crap.

For this very reason, I couldn't stand Tanabe from Planetes. Every other time she opened her mouth I wanted to smack her.

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Thank you and QUOTED FOR TRUTH!

[DanielJr]

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Crocodile said:
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Shsway said:
Sometimes, when characters overdo it with the "Fight, and ultimately win with LOVE!" message, I find it to be incredibly tedious and full of crap.

For this very reason, I couldn't stand Tanabe from Planetes. Every other time she opened her mouth I wanted to smack her.

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Thank you and QUOTED FOR TRUTH!

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You know, Tanabe got a lot of heat in the anime for the same reason, particularly from Hachimaki and Claire. I rather enjoyed her optimism.

[Mr. Nail Bat]

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DanielJr said:
As for the question at hand, I'd have to say any of Ran Kotobuki's speeches in Super Gals.

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Yeah, Ran is prone to telling other people how to live their lives, but she's terrible at her own life.

[pianocello]

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Geoduck said:
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DanielJr said:
As for the question at hand, I'd have to say any of Ran Kotobuki's speeches in Super Gals.

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Yeah, Ran is prone to telling other people how to live their lives, but she's terrible at her own life.

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One of the reasons I cannot stand the show - I cannot stand shows with main characters who are so full of themselves. (unless they are total bada$$ like Alucard)

[Njr Scrawl]

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Shsway said:
Sometimes, when characters overdo it with the "Fight, and ultimately win with LOVE!" message, I find it to be incredibly tedious and full of crap.

For this very reason, I couldn't stand Tanabe from Planetes. Every other time she opened her mouth I wanted to smack her.

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But that is also Sailor Moon's message, &amp; IIRC you like Sailor Moon.

Perhaps because Planetes is more real-life, it fits in context less well. And Usagi is cuter. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

[Njr Scrawl]

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DanielJr said:
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Crocodile said:
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Shsway said:
Sometimes, when characters overdo it with the "Fight, and ultimately win with LOVE!" message, I find it to be incredibly tedious and full of crap.

For this very reason, I couldn't stand Tanabe from Planetes. Every other time she opened her mouth I wanted to smack her.

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Thank you and QUOTED FOR TRUTH!

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You know, Tanabe got a lot of heat in the anime for the same reason, particularly from Hachimaki and Claire. I rather enjoyed her optimism.

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Tanabe is a kind of emotional antidote to the cynicism &amp; corporate ass-kissing in Planetes. At first she seemed too bubble-brained, but I came to respect her more &amp; like her as a person.

Hachi &amp; Claire are both jerks - Ai needs her optimism &amp; philanthropic attitude to keep from being depressed by her colleagues.

[Shsway]

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Fencedude said:
Which was you know, a good part of the point behind her character and what happens to her...

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Yeah, I got it. But I still couldn't feel sympathy or otherwise for the girl. Which is what she stays from beginning to end: a rather foolish girl.

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Wrath of the Njr said:
But that is also Sailor Moon's message, &amp; IIRC you like Sailor Moon.

Perhaps because Planetes is more real-life, it fits in context less well. And Usagi is cuter. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

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Heh. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Yes, the attempt at real-life material was one thing. It's truly hard for me to explain.

Maybe there's a little hard-headedness on my part to see a very familiar theme or character done over again for me, and not in a way that I found creative, let alone enlightening. With Sailor Moon and her pals, you get to become very familiar with them over the course of a rather lengthy program, wo when Usagi begins on her "love" tirades, they're sort of easier to swallow from a character you've grown to like and accept for all of her more idiotic flaws. And I believe what she says, that she means what she says, which is something that Tanabe lacked, IMO.

I haven't seen the very end of Sailor Moon (Sailor Stars), so it may be that the main character there also remains foolish and unchanged from episode one, though I don't really feel that is the case.

[chloes_fork]

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Wrath of the Njr said:
What Rei says to Shinji (&amp; the others) in the surreal Complementation act. I follow &amp; appreciate the TV version, which is a lot clearer - the movie is /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif by comparison.

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I love Eva to death, but to me, a lot of the Instrumentality dialogue -- TV and movie -- is just so much navelgazing psychobibble.

[Njr Scrawl]

The movie seems like Anno's revenge for people dissing his TV ending. Its ultraviolent, the characters are made to be one dimensional, disposeable &amp; unsympathisable. Not like in the TV series. EoE's end dialogue is as you describe it.

The TV dialogue was basically a lesson/pep-talk to Shinji, putting him straight, so his final decision could be made more rationally &amp; in the process reverse the consequences of what he had done to protect himself. It even has some humour.

EoE's "counselling discussion" by comparison, is mainly by Rei, with some Yui &amp; Kaworo plus a few lines from the others. There is less matter-of-fact emphasis &amp; more ambiguity left for Shinji to think about, all serious. I'm surprised Shinji wanted to survive at all following his experiences &amp; then the talk!

[vtr9kvictor]

Every single time Gendo Ikari opened his mouth.

[Njr Scrawl]

That's too much of an over-generalisation. His conversation with Shinji at the graveyard was plain enough, &amp; gave some insight into his character, for example.


Changing show, the talk between Motoko &amp; the librarian at the end of SAC's final episode - about what happened due to Laughing Man &amp; what a "stand alone crisis" was meant to be needed several viewings.

[k_chan]

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Sensuifu said:
you can never get enough of King Hamdo's [NTHT] mono/dialogues.

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hm... i think Hamdo's rants and raves take the cake for amazingly jaw-dropping holycowyoubelievethatbullshit rhetoric. brr. talk about making the skin crawl /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif

on the more humorous side, whenever chibi-usa opens her mouth /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[k_chan]

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vtr9kvictor said:
Every single time Gendo Ikari opened his mouth.

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yes!!yes!! love the avatar! /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif someone else who has witnessed the short-lived rotflol wtf crack that is Hoi Hoi-san.

[k_chan]

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Geoduck said:
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DanielJr said:
As for the question at hand, I'd have to say any of Ran Kotobuki's speeches in Super Gals.

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Yeah, Ran is prone to telling other people how to live their lives, but she's terrible at her own life.

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Ran is the GAL!!! :sdsmiley" sure she's broke 23-7, but she does live by the principles she spouts, actually, which just makes her even cooler.