Fate/Stay Night discussion thread 3 [Archive]

treatment

04-02-2006, 04:43 AM

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Heh, judging on how they set the game up, it's a little open ended in that you can basically pick which "girl" you wanted to have a relationship with. 

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hehehe!

If the anime follows the spoiled game-synopsis, then the loli-princess will soon to join Rin and Saber in the Shirou-mansion. Of course, that also highly suggest that Shirou will score with you know who. /images/graemlins/devil.gif /images/graemlins/relief.gif

Gotta accept that Shirou's the lucky-yet-unwilling harem-stud of F/SN. The anime had made no secret about Ilya's (as well as Rin's and Sakura's) not-so-subtle fascination with Shirou. She also seems to be more over-protective of Shirou as shown with her actions against Rin and Shinji. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

Lego

04-02-2006, 04:49 AM

Heh. Although they could pull it out of the bag with Sakura gaining control of Rider, I don't think we'll see "normal Rider" sadly. I'm used to seeing her in the game when she would pal around with Sakura.

Gatts

04-02-2006, 11:19 AM

I don't know how you guys come up with some of your theories, but they are amusing to read. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

mellowrg2

04-02-2006, 06:32 PM

I believe that Rider and Shinji are dead as a door nail.

Although, you might learn more of Rider's backstory from another character, eventually.

Jadawin

04-02-2006, 07:19 PM

So yeah, I enjoyed the newest episode. Just wondering when we'll see Sakura again and how they'll solve the recharging mana issue (I know what happens in the game but doubt that it'll be the same here).
And too bad that I also already knew about Sabers true identity which was revealed in this episode. So she is/was King/Queen Arthur? Interesting idea. /images/graemlins/cool.gif
Hopefully we'll see more of Shiros real power soon.

golthin

04-02-2006, 08:04 PM

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So yeah, I enjoyed the newest episode. Just wondering when we'll see Sakura again and how they'll solve the recharging mana issue (I know what happens in the game but doubt that it'll be the same here).
And too bad that I also already knew about Sabers true identity which was revealed in this episode. So she is/was King/Queen Arthur? Interesting idea. /images/graemlins/cool.gif
Hopefully we'll see more of Shiros real power soon.

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She is KING Arthur, not Queen. She was considered genderless by their subjects.

Lego

04-03-2006, 02:37 AM

Yep. Although for Saber, her "real identity" was out in the open after a episode or two.

Fencedude

04-03-2006, 04:12 AM

Ilya's seriously fucked up.

Lego

04-05-2006, 05:15 AM

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Ilya's seriously fucked up.

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She has her moments heh. Just a little bit of random news. It appears that the first volume of Fate(R2) is number five on the Oricon DVD ratings (http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/dg/w/). It's good to see the show selling well in Japan. Can't wait for Geneon to bring it over.

If you're wondering what the Oricon rankings are, think of the Billboard rankings in the US.

Lego

04-07-2006, 03:53 PM

Wow, this episode was great. The whole episode was basically a big fight between Archer and Berserker. The fight is pretty nice, and we get to see Archer's phantasm. They fight for a while, with Archer pulling out all the stops. Sadly at the end, Archer dies/goes away, and he and Rin are defeated. At that point Saber blacks out, due to not having enough energy after taking care of Rider a episode or so ago.

Since Archer is gone, there was a special ED with Rin in it. The preview will make some fanboys happy, as one can take it waaaaaay out of context. 

I'm starting to like Fate more and more as the series goes on. Sure it might be "slow" at times, but when it wants to pull out all the stops, it can.

Fencedude

04-07-2006, 04:46 PM

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The preview will make some fanboys happy, as one can take it waaaaaay out of context.

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I dunno, I think the context there is pretty clear.

bakafoo

04-07-2006, 04:47 PM

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 The preview will make some fanboys happy, as one can take it waaaaaay out of context. 

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Heh.. Heck yeah. I'm looking forward towards the restoration of Saber's mana.. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif /images/graemlins/tongue.gif /images/graemlins/devil.gif /images/graemlins/devil.gif

golthin

04-07-2006, 06:17 PM

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Lego said:
Wow, this episode was great. The whole episode was basically a big fight between Archer and Berserker. The fight is pretty nice, and we get to see Archer's phantasm. They fight for a while, with Archer pulling out all the stops. Sadly at the end, Archer dies/goes away, and he and Rin are defeated. At that point Saber blacks out, due to not having enough energy after taking care of Rider a episode or so ago.

Since Archer is gone, there was a special ED with Rin in it. The preview will make some fanboys happy, as one can take it waaaaaay out of context. 

I'm starting to like Fate more and more as the series goes on. Sure it might be "slow" at times, but when it wants to pull out all the stops, it can.

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well, Rin has not lost unless she dies or surrenders and take refuge in the churce. she can still try to fight by herself.

Lego

04-08-2006, 11:07 AM

True. But while I always thought of Rin as the "smart" one, you can tell that her and Archer got a long pretty good, and she knew how to use the servant. So while I don't think they'll kill off Rin or pull a Sakura with her(she has been gone a couple episodes), I do think she'll become a talky character. 

Although the big thing for me next episode is seeing how they'll handle the fact that Saber's "mana" needs to be replenished. In the game that involved Shirou and Saber having sex, which is something they can't really get past the TV censors.

golthin

04-08-2006, 01:06 PM

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True. But while I always thought of Rin as the "smart" one, you can tell that her and Archer got a long pretty good, and she knew how to use the servant. So while I don't think they'll kill off Rin or pull a Sakura with her(she has been gone a couple episodes), I do think she'll become a talky character. 

Although the big thing for me next episode is seeing how they'll handle the fact that Saber's "mana" needs to be replenished. In the game that involved Shirou and Saber having sex, which is something they can't really get past the TV censors. 

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Why not? they can just not show everything! Also depends what TV station they are using. If it is TV tokyo or Fuji TV then they can't show anything. They showed a love scene in Tsukihime.

Lego

04-08-2006, 06:42 PM

Yeh, that scene in Tsukihime made the anime worthwhile on many levels(character and plot wise). I get what your saying though. Well, Fate has me hooked for another episode heh.

Fencedude

04-14-2006, 05:20 PM

New Opening, its rather...Gundam Seedish

The episode was...hilarious. It wasn't SUPPOSED to be, but it was.

God...I think Haruhi directed this episode.

kaiyouske

04-14-2006, 08:26 PM

I'm surprised that nobody mentioned that Archer basically has the same powers as Shiro and and the end when Archer disappeared, he left behind the amulet(?) that was used by Rin to rez Shiro....which proves that Archer is Shiro(?) Unless of course everyone knew this already.... /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Fencedude

04-14-2006, 08:57 PM

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I'm surprised that nobody mentioned that Archer basically has the same powers as Shiro and and the end when Archer disappeared, he left behind the amulet(?) that was used by Rin to rez Shiro....which proves that Archer is Shiro(?) Unless of course everyone knew this already.... /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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I think pretty much all of us knew that already.

kaiyouske

04-14-2006, 09:16 PM

Ok, just making sure. I guess everyone 'cheated' and read the game synopsis...

Lego

04-14-2006, 10:39 PM

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Ok, just making sure. I guess everyone 'cheated' and read the game synopsis...

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Heh, it being Good Friday, I had the day off. So I'm just now readin the summaries heh. I like the way they handled the Shirou and Saber "sex scene". In the game Saber and Shirou had sex to replenish her mana, which it being a novel game, was ingenious. But they made it TV friendly, and the premise actually worked. 

I personally think that Fate is starting to kick into high gear, now that they have all the backstory and build up finished. Can't wait for the Geneon solicitation.

Gatts

04-14-2006, 10:57 PM

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I'm surprised that nobody mentioned that Archer basically has the same powers as Shiro

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Except for the anime hasn't shown what Shiro's power is.

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Ok, just making sure. I guess everyone 'cheated' and read the game synopsis...

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Or... ya know... played the game. /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

kaiyouske

04-14-2006, 11:49 PM

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Except for the anime hasn't shown what Shiro's power is.

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Actually, they did. When Rin went to where Shiro usually sleeps, she mentions that how unbelieveable it was for him to have such a power...and yet she just thought his power was to reinforce instead of creating something out of nothing.

golthin

04-15-2006, 12:06 AM

Lego

04-15-2006, 09:54 AM

Well he really isn't a carbon copy of Shirou. If I remember right, he is Shirou(same last name) if he did/does certain things down the road.

Jadawin

04-16-2006, 05:40 PM

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kaiyouske said:
I'm surprised that nobody mentioned that Archer basically has the same powers as Shiro and and the end when Archer disappeared, he left behind the amulet(?) that was used by Rin to rez Shiro....which proves that Archer is Shiro(?) Unless of course everyone knew this already.... /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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I think pretty much all of us knew that already.

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Was that an episode 14 spoiler? Coz I surely didnt know about that! Plz reply, thx. I'd be rather disappointed if someone just spoiled something which didnt happen to date or wasnt clear unless you played the game or read some info about it in other forums.

Fencedude

04-16-2006, 05:41 PM

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Fencedude said:
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kaiyouske said:
I'm surprised that nobody mentioned that Archer basically has the same powers as Shiro and and the end when Archer disappeared, he left behind the amulet(?) that was used by Rin to rez Shiro....which proves that Archer is Shiro(?) Unless of course everyone knew this already.... /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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I think pretty much all of us knew that already.

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Was that an episode 14 spoiler? Coz I surely didnt know about that! Plz reply, thx.

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It was heavily hinted at during Archer's fight with Berserker.

Jadawin

04-16-2006, 05:43 PM

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kaiyouske said:
I'm surprised that nobody mentioned that Archer basically has the same powers as Shiro and and the end when Archer disappeared, he left behind the amulet(?) that was used by Rin to rez Shiro....which proves that Archer is Shiro(?) Unless of course everyone knew this already.... /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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I guess everyone already knew who archer was, at least everyone that has played the game or read any of the spoilers.

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Great that I read that too late. Thx to kaiyouske for writing that in a ep. 14 discussion.
THATS exactly why I avoid more and more such threads. There are always ppl who write down things in spoiler tags which ARENT about the actual ep. /images/graemlins/sad.gif Is it soo hard to mention about WHAT you are going to write before using spoiler tags if its not about the actual ep.?

Gatts

04-16-2006, 05:43 PM

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It was heavily hinted at during Archer's fight with Berserker.

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Hinted was all that happened. In that story line, it is never revealed who Archer was. Also as I stated before, the anime hasn't "shown" Shiro doing anything at all.

Jadawin

04-16-2006, 05:47 PM

Well its clear to me what happened in the game at this part of the story but DID it actually happen in the anime? I am not sure about that. I think nobody knows.

Regarding the OP:

I prefer the first one. This new one is too upbeat and it almost seems to me that they took someone who cant sing propely.

treatment

04-16-2006, 05:49 PM

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It was heavily hinted at during Archer's fight with Berserker.

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Hinted was all that happened. In that story line, it is never revealed who Archer was. Also as I stated before, the anime hasn't "shown" Shiro doing anything at all.

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ep-15 has shown some of Shiro's new ability(ies). As well as a strong hint of another in the preview of ep-16.

Fencedude

04-16-2006, 06:45 PM

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golthin said:
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kaiyouske said:
I'm surprised that nobody mentioned that Archer basically has the same powers as Shiro and and the end when Archer disappeared, he left behind the amulet(?) that was used by Rin to rez Shiro....which proves that Archer is Shiro(?) Unless of course everyone knew this already.... /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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I guess everyone already knew who archer was, at least everyone that has played the game or read any of the spoilers.

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Great that I read that too late. Thx to kaiyouske for writing that in a ep. 14 discussion.
THATS exactly why I avoid more and more such threads. There are always ppl who write down things in spoiler tags which ARENT about the actual ep. /images/graemlins/sad.gif Is it soo hard to mention about WHAT you are going to write before using spoiler tags if its not about the actual ep.?

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Well, to be fair, if you paid close enough attention and were able to connect a few dots, episode 14 did provide everything you needed to be able to figure it out.

Jadawin

04-16-2006, 07:00 PM

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golthin said:
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kaiyouske said:
I'm surprised that nobody mentioned that Archer basically has the same powers as Shiro and and the end when Archer disappeared, he left behind the amulet(?) that was used by Rin to rez Shiro....which proves that Archer is Shiro(?) Unless of course everyone knew this already.... /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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I guess everyone already knew who archer was, at least everyone that has played the game or read any of the spoilers.

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Great that I read that too late. Thx to kaiyouske for writing that in a ep. 14 discussion.
THATS exactly why I avoid more and more such threads. There are always ppl who write down things in spoiler tags which ARENT about the actual ep. /images/graemlins/sad.gif Is it soo hard to mention about WHAT you are going to write before using spoiler tags if its not about the actual ep.?

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Well, to be fair, if you paid close enough attention and were able to connect a few dots, episode 14 did provide everything you needed to be able to figure it out.

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I guess. Archer can summon weapons and Shirou is able to do the same thing but I would have never thought that they have more in common than that. 
Reading that the information is something I probably wouldnt have known anyways since it seems that the anime is following another game path, makes it easier for me.

Fencedude

04-16-2006, 07:17 PM

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Reading that the information is something I probably wouldnt have known anyways since it seems that the anime is following another game path, makes it easier for me.

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The anime is following its own combined path.

Thus far its mostly been Fate, with a bit of UBW and HF, but according to those who know, the upcoming episodes seem to have more UBW than Fate.

pathos

04-16-2006, 07:42 PM

Well, there were also..

Archer speaking to Ilya like he knew here (which of course he did), his flashback memories just before he died of Shiro, his telling Shiro exactly what to do with his power, and probably the biggest one of all, at the end of the new end theme, the rez pendent left after his coat poofed. 

Of course, it's still pretty vague even with all that. If I hadn't already knows, I don't know if I could have figured it out myself. I know neither of my friends watching it figured it out

Lego

04-16-2006, 10:20 PM

I wonder when they'll start encorporating Sakura back into the story soon, as they seem to be following UBW a little closer.

treatment

04-17-2006, 02:36 PM

We oughta move this discussion up to ep-15 now.

Summary:

Rin, Shirou, and Saber escaped Ilya's palace due to Archer's bravery.

Some Shirou x Saber moment as Shirou carries a slightly-embarassed Saber. Rin found an old house for them to crash the night. And then...

dum de de dum!

...The much-anticipated recharge-scene commences. Or something. Prior to that, Rin gave Shirou some mouth-to-mouth action before moving in onto Saber to get her, uhmm, "prepped"..

Unfortunately, the recharging-scene was not quite what many fanboys were expecting. Even the symbolisms were a bit whacked, like what's up with that weirdly-done dragon. But at least, Saber has some more girly feelings for Shirou afterwards.

Ilya and Berserker caught up with them the next day and battle commences between a recharged Saber and Berserker. Shirou tries to help Saber with his new ability of transforming a twig into a bow and arrow weapon, but it was not enough. Rin joined in and thought she got the enemy good. The ending is another cliffhanger with Rin in a very dangerous and fatal situation.

The preview for ep-16 promises to show Shirou's, err uhhh, "ascendent" ability in the continuing battle to save Rin. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

Lego

04-17-2006, 02:59 PM

Heh, I think we were talking about episode 15 eairlier, but for those who haven't discussed or seen it, a new summary will help.

I actually like the way that they did the scene with Saber and Shirou. It goes a long way to let viewers know that Saber has a emotional/normal side also, rather then just being a badass.

Sly05

04-17-2006, 03:22 PM

It was also the ecchiest non-sex since the Hacate and Yuji scene from Shana. /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif The dragon part should have just been drawn normally as the CG really clashed with everything else.

I liked the fight against Berserker though and the new opening is at least more interesting than the first even if I don't think the song choice was all that great.

Fencedude

04-17-2006, 05:14 PM

As I said before, this was the funniest episode thus far.

It wasn't supposed to be, but it was anyway.

treatment

04-17-2006, 05:54 PM

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As I said before, this was the funniest episode thus far.

It wasn't supposed to be, but it was anyway.

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OT, but speaking of funny...

http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rumblexfate4ll.jpg /images/graemlins/cool.gif

http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11449644722163xm.jpg /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

Suwako Moriya

04-17-2006, 08:10 PM

The series has been getting interesting, but as I told my brother I'm getting kind of bored of Beserker. Partially because I want some time spent on some other servants. Hopefully Beserker will be defeated eventually, but honestly at the rate things are going. I won't be surprised if it's revealed that all killing Beserer 7 more times does is turn him into Beserker 2.0. Who can now sing while fighting. Okay I'm kidding well partially, but seriously I want a change of pace.

Still I am curious as to who will be the final two servants remaining in the series. I can guess Saber who will be one, but the other is the hard part. Which is another thing I'm worried about. I'd hate to go through this epic battle with "Beserker" only to find out the final battle has Saber facing a Servant that gets a cramp and dies two seconds later. To give an extreme example.

Dagger

04-17-2006, 08:18 PM

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Who's the blond one?

moyism

04-18-2006, 12:08 AM

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Who's the blond one?

[/ QUOTE ]chibi Goldie.

XenoSaber

04-18-2006, 01:07 AM

Unfortunatly I have to say that at this point stopping Berserker may mean having to kill Allya. Is that name right? It's late.

houkoholic

04-18-2006, 01:47 AM

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Unfortunatly I have to say that at this point stopping Berserker may mean having to kill Allya. Is that name right? It's late.

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Ilya.
No, remember that they can defeat Berserker by killing him 6 more times. And you know when the decision the hero has to take is between doing the impossible vs killing a cute loli, it's gotta be doing the impossible. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Lego

04-18-2006, 05:13 AM

I think the reason why Beserker seems boring is that they really haven't given him much background. All he is at the moment is a "Puny human smash!" type of character. It took me a while to notice, but each servant seems to be tied into the masters feeling and characteristics. Shirou wants to be the "noble" one, Saber is of course noble herself. Illya seems to want to stomp everyone in her way, as Beserker does. You can go down the list for the other servants and masters.

Suwako Moriya

04-18-2006, 07:23 AM

Well the fact that he just grunts and err grunts may be part of it. However my main contention is still the figuratively near invincibility of Beserker is getting rather boring. I know I'm over stating things, but still...

XenoSaber

04-18-2006, 07:57 AM

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Unfortunatly I have to say that at this point stopping Berserker may mean having to kill Allya. Is that name right? It's late.

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Ilya.
No, remember that they can defeat Berserker by killing him 6 more times. And you know when the decision the hero has to take is between doing the impossible vs killing a cute loli, it's gotta be doing the impossible. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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You do have a point there /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

treatment

04-18-2006, 01:03 PM

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Well the fact that he just grunts and err grunts may be part of it. However my main contention is still the figuratively near invincibility of Beserker is getting rather boring. I know I'm over stating things, but still...

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Well, you do have a choice:

A grunter like Berserker or a chatty-bitch like Archer. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

Lego

04-19-2006, 03:24 AM

Heh. It would be hillarious if all of the sudden Beserker put on a British accent and starting talking about philosiphy. I guess Beserker is supposed to be Hercules, so he has seven lives for the seven trials he went through.

Suwako Moriya

04-19-2006, 05:06 AM

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Actually Hercules went through twelve trials not seven to be exact. The trials were done to atone for an act he did. One of the more famous trials having to do with the Hydra itself. Still yes it would be something if Beserkers suddenly started talking with a British accent about philosophy.

Lego

04-19-2006, 08:29 AM

Yeh, it has been a long time since I've heard the Hercules story. Moonlit World lists it as:

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Master: Illyasviel von Einzbern

True Name: Hercules

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treatment

04-21-2006, 12:35 PM

It's been aired and 2ch is jumping:

spoiler-pic http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1145638180284a80e3xx.jpg spoiler-pic

ep16 hint: harem-fication. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

Lego

04-21-2006, 12:38 PM

I could say I'm surprised, but not really heh. Being aware of the game, you sort of expect a scene or two of that nature. Although it should be interesting to see the episode.

treatment

04-21-2006, 12:50 PM

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I could say I'm surprised, but not really heh. Being aware of the game, you sort of expect a scene or two of that nature. Although it should be interesting to see the episode.

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based on the pics over at 2ch, this ep's gonna be REALLY interesting. /images/graemlins/devil.gif /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Lego

04-21-2006, 12:53 PM

Heh, I used to browse 2ch's anime board, but stopped due to the various hentai and misc pics. Now I just wait for someone to blog it(usually Random). I'm actually excited about the recent episodes of Fate heh. Once they introduced the characters and got everyone situated, they can go and have some fun with their relationships.

treatment

04-21-2006, 01:03 PM

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Heh, I used to browse 2ch's anime board, but stopped due to the various hentai and misc pics. Now I just wait for someone to blog it(usually Random). I'm actually excited about the recent episodes of Fate heh. Once they introduced the characters and got everyone situated, they can go and have some fun with their relationships.

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They're ok, so far.

anyway, another spoiler-pic: http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11456379226841bb42yo.jpg spoiler-pic

golthin

04-21-2006, 01:05 PM

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Lego said:
Heh, I used to browse 2ch's anime board, but stopped due to the various hentai and misc pics. Now I just wait for someone to blog it(usually Random). I'm actually excited about the recent episodes of Fate heh. Once they introduced the characters and got everyone situated, they can go and have some fun with their relationships.

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They're ok, so far.

anyway, another spoiler-pic: http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11456379226841bb42yo.jpg spoiler-pic

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So we know who won now!

Lego

04-21-2006, 08:19 PM

Well, taking a look at the pictures of the episode, it looks like a good one. I came into the series not being a huge Saber fan(Rider was my woman heh), but I'm starting to like her more and more. I like the fact that in the first couple of episodes, Saber walked around naked and basically told Shirou "whatever, I/you don't think of me as a woman, and that was that. Now that they've spent some time together, and have become close, you can tell that she has feelings for Shirou, and puts on the shyness routine now and then. 

Looks like next episode is the return of Fuji and Sakura(yay for Fuji).

Fencedude

04-21-2006, 08:21 PM

Looks like Caster might be planning on abducting Sakura.

...I feel so sorry for Caster, she has NO idea...

Lego

04-21-2006, 09:42 PM

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Looks like Caster might be planning on abducting Sakura.

...I feel so sorry for Caster, she has NO idea...

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Heh. The only thing that bothers me is that with all the action and events going on, a couple of the main characters went MIA. Although part of me is wondering(warning, big game spoiler) if Sakura is going to become a master now, or if they'll try to tap into her anger/emptiness .

golthin

04-22-2006, 01:15 AM

I have a question for those that have played the game.
 So now that Shirou had to use another of his Master's commands. How many does he have left and what happens if he use them all. It seemed to me he only has one left.

treatment

04-22-2006, 03:45 AM

This episode is <3 <3 <3 /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif . The best ep so far and it pretty much redeemed all the slowness and unevenness of the previous episodes (1-15).

First-half was the conclusion of the battle with Berserker. Shirou prevented Saber from fully revealing her sword and then Shirou went Lion-O (Thundercats) in the battle. The fight-animation was still your standard F/SN-quickie, but was better done this time than any of the other fights so far, i.e better use of the time alloted for it for more animation.

Berserker finally spoke up, and no, he didn't have a british-accent. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif But maybe the R1-version will put that suggestion in. /images/graemlins/relief.gif

Second-half was where the fun was concentrated. Shirou's the studmuffin since, well, he's the only guy in the mansion. Saber got really girly. Physically and emotionally. Mostly due to the presence of the "wicked" loli in the Shirou-mansion. It was actually quite sweet to watch how deftly subtle they portrayed and animated Saber's, uhmm, new "development". Rin's pretty much staying out of equation for now, tho there was that Rin-Shirou moment where she was a little "touchy-feely" with him. Prolly just a throwaway teaser, but who knows.

The Saber-fanservice was done very well even with the tv-fog. Hope it clears up in the dvd-version. /images/graemlins/devil.gif

The ending revealed Caster and her master discussing what had transpired/still transpiring and what to do next. The Assassin was in the background.

The preview for ep-17 seems to indicate the start of the battle between Shirou-faction and Caster-faction.

Suwako Moriya

04-22-2006, 07:52 AM

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treatment said:
Berserker finally spoke up, and no, he didn't have a british-accent. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif But maybe the R1-version will put that suggestion in.

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Beserker will be getting an italian accent, the british accent is going to be for Saber. Makes more sense that way. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif Yeah I'm evil and now I must run for my life.

Fencedude

04-22-2006, 08:04 AM

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golthin said:
I have a question for those that have played the game.
 So now that Shirou had to use another of his Master's commands. How many does he have left and what happens if he use them all. It seemed to me he only has one left. 

[/ QUOTE ]

Why would you need game spoilers? All you'd have to do is pay attention to the show.

He started with three, and has used two, thus he has one left.

Suwako Moriya

04-22-2006, 12:15 PM

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Fencedude said:
He started with three, and has used two, thus he has one left.

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Since they'll probably have him use the remaining command for dramatic effect, I'd say it's a matter of when as opposed to if he'll use it. Of course the question is what for. I'll wait for the answer. Maybe they should have a joke extra where he uses the commands for completely stupid reasons.

Jadawin

04-22-2006, 02:08 PM

Good episode.

 So Berserker CAN speak, eh? Did he kill Illyas relatives or what was that flashback about (those who KNOW the answer dont need to comment)? 

Sabers girlish behaviour was cute.
Too bad that the animation quality dropped and isnt high quality for each episode like in several Studio Bones shows (for example FMA or Eureka 7) but ok.

I dont understand though why Shiro is letting Illya stay at his house. Not only is she responsible for Archers "death", she also killed Sakuras brother! He is taking that waaay too lightly. Illya needs psychological treatment.

It was to be expected WHO would be targeted to be a container for the holy grail. I guess, Sakura didnt suffer enough already.

golthin

04-22-2006, 04:49 PM

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Jadawin said:
Good episode.

I dont understand though why Shiro is letting Illya stay at his house. Not only is she responsible for Archers "death", she also killed Sakuras brother! He is taking that waaay too lightly. Illya needs psychological treatment.

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Because that is how the guy thinks. IT is annoying how naive he is. If he was ruthless, archer wouldn't be dead and this show will probably be over by now. Of course, Ilya is at fault too, if she had killed Saber and Shirou during their first battle, Berserker will still be around. So it goes both way.

treatment

04-22-2006, 06:28 PM

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Jadawin said:

I dont understand though why Shiro is letting Illya stay at his house. Not only is she responsible for Archers "death", she also killed Sakuras brother! He is taking that waaay too lightly. Illya needs psychological treatment.

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I say, why should Shirou be content on cohabitating with just two hotties? The loli quite really digs him, anyway. /images/graemlins/relief.gif

golthin

04-22-2006, 07:01 PM

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treatment said:
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Jadawin said:

I dont understand though why Shiro is letting Illya stay at his house. Not only is she responsible for Archers "death", she also killed Sakuras brother! He is taking that waaay too lightly. Illya needs psychological treatment.

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I say, why should Shirou be content on cohabitating with just two hotties? The loli quite really digs him, anyway. /images/graemlins/relief.gif

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The problem is, even though he has a harem, he doesn't know what to do with it or doesn't have the desire to do anything with it.

Lego

04-22-2006, 07:05 PM

Heh, that remark between me and a couple other posters was a joke when someone mentioned how Beserker isn't that likeable of a character. I mentioned that he seemed to just be a "smash puny human!" type of thing. The joke was that if he all of the sudden started acting really refined and talking in a british accent heh.

I wonder if they'll set it up where(big game spoiler) Caster takes Assasin as a servant, after taking out Mr. No nonsense teacher.

treatment

04-22-2006, 07:26 PM

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golthin said:
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treatment said:
[ QUOTE ]
Jadawin said:

I dont understand though why Shiro is letting Illya stay at his house. Not only is she responsible for Archers "death", she also killed Sakuras brother! He is taking that waaay too lightly. Illya needs psychological treatment.

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I say, why should Shirou be content on cohabitating with just two hotties? The loli quite really digs him, anyway. /images/graemlins/relief.gif

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The problem is, even though he has a harem, he doesn't know what to do with it or doesn't have the desire to do anything with it.

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Well, I think the loli will be the catalyst to make Shirou or the other girls make a natural move. The loli's sleeping position was a little suspect. /images/graemlins/relief.gif Shirou did "score" with Saber, however WTF the wacko symbolisms in ep-15 were and now she's all womanly, jealous (prolly in heat, too) and pouting she ain't as sexy as Rin to Shirou. Rin is physically friendly with Shirou, too. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Just one more push, I say. /images/graemlins/relief.gif

Lego

04-28-2006, 06:43 PM

I've made the comment in the last few discussions about how I believe Fate is starting to come into its own heh. Well, this episode was another really, really good one.

Sakura is brooding over various things after making everyone breakfast(gee Shirou, think it would be nice to ask Sakura to have some to?)

Kuzuki(creepy teacher) seems to be pretty bad ass in this episode, as he and caster make short work of everyone. A fight ensuses, and Kuzuki wipes the floor with everyone while Caster projects her power/magic on Kuzuki. 

They seem to believe that Illya is next(as Caster mentions a sacrafice, so they high tail it to the house. There we get Sakura stabbing Saber(Caster is controlling her) and them flying away together and Caster taunting them. 

While I was able to write a decent summary for once due to being aware of this part in the game heh, I don't think we'll see Dark Saber.

treatment

04-28-2006, 07:22 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Lego said:
I've made the comment in the last few discussions about how I believe Fate is starting to come into its own heh. Well, this episode was another really, really good one.

Sakura is brooding over various things after making everyone breakfast(gee Shirou, think it would be nice to ask Sakura to have some to?)

Kuzuki(creepy teacher) seems to be pretty bad ass in this episode, as he and caster make short work of everyone. A fight ensuses, and Kuzuki wipes the floor with everyone while Caster projects her power/magic on Kuzuki. 

They seem to believe that Illya is next(as Caster mentions a sacrafice, so they high tail it to the house. There we get Sakura stabbing Saber(Caster is controlling her) and them flying away together and Caster taunting them. 

While I was able to write a decent summary for once due to being aware of this part in the game heh, I don't think we'll see Dark Saber. 

[/ QUOTE ]

Just saw the spoiler-pics.

That was kewl of Shirou doing his Archer move.

Fencedude

04-28-2006, 07:23 PM

Some things to note:

Due to Sakura/Caster Rulebreakering Saber, Saber is no longer able to summon excalibur.

This is a divergence from all three paths of the game, we are moving into unknown territory.

We may still yet get Dark Sakura.

Lego

04-28-2006, 07:24 PM

Huge Spoiler from the game and anime..

Well since Archer is basically Shirou(they're the same person, just at different points/realities if he followed a certain life, it isn't that hard heh.

treatment

04-29-2006, 04:30 AM

This ep-17 was very good. Still quite a few talky-scenes, but overall, it's all good and not as irritating as it used to be. There were three-parts to this.

The following will contain some unblocked Mini-SPOILERS, so be warned:

Rin is teh sexay again. /images/graemlins/devil.gif

First part being the harem-breakfast prepared by Sakura at the Shirou love-mansion and the intro of Ilya to Fuji-nee and Sakura. Seems like Ilya's not familiar with traditional japanese breakfast and custom. Some bantering between Ilya and Rin, and an offhand comment from Sakura about Saber's and Shirou's manners at the table made the scenes really fun to watch. Especially Saber's girly-reactions.

Second part was the Ilya revelations about Caster, her "master" and the temple to Rin, Saber, and Shirou. She even revealed Caster's name, which is Medea. Check your greek mythology if you want to know more about the character. Shirou got confirmation from a visiting Issei that Kuzuki-sensei's been living at the temple for three years now. The RSS-team (Rin/Shirou/Saber) wants to verify all the info from Ilya and laid out an ambush-plan, which is the third part. Before that, I just wanna say that Ilya was lolirific with her ballet-dancing skit. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

Moving on, the RSS-team confirmed Kuzuki's status and battle commences between Caster-team and RSS-team. Round-1 goes to Caster-team, with Caster-enhanced Kuzuki besting the whole RSS-team. The RSS-team recovered, but before round-2 starts, Caster-team taunts and departs to get to their intended victim/target. The RSS-team immediately thought it to be Ilya, so they raced back to the Shirou-mansion.

Saber was first to get in and found Sakura on the floor, unaware that Sakura was Caster-ized. An element, the rule-breaker, from the UBW-scenario was then introduced and used against Saber. Sakura then departs from the Shirou-mansion after taunting Rin and Shirou.

The preview for ep-18 shows alot of goodies as the RSS-team leads a rather dramatic rainy assault at the temple against the Caster-team that is reinforced by the Assasin. Also, some Caster-history is hinted at.

The animator's A-team most likely were the ones who worked on this episode as the character-designs were much improved than the previous episode. In a way, I'm kinda wishing they further Drizzt-ized Shirou. /images/graemlins/relief.gif

There you have it.

Lego

04-29-2006, 01:25 PM

Heh, interesting take on things treatment. It was good to see Fuji again /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif. It looks like instead of going down just one route, they're merging a scenario or two together. I still wonder if we'll end up seeing Dark Saber .

treatment

04-29-2006, 04:31 PM

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Lego said:
Heh, interesting take on things treatment. It was good to see Fuji again /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif. It looks like instead of going down just one route, they're merging a scenario or two together. I still wonder if we'll end up seeing Dark Saber .

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Rewatching the ep, I'd gotten a different perspective on it.

I'm not sure who was the young dark-haired girl at the preview of ep-18, but I'm thinking it has to be Rin.

Long shot, but is it possible that in the anime, Caster and Sakura are one and the same person, but that Caster can split from her when in Servant-mode? It runs counter to the ending of ep-16, but the stuff that happened in ep-17 kinda weirded me out on the possibility.

If so, that should invoke the HF-scenario and make F/SN alot more interesting. The purple-color was just too strong of a hint and the hooded Caster of previous episodes clashes with the unhooded Caster in ep-18's preview.

Also, I am familiar with Medea in the greek-mythology and that reflecting back on Sakura's weird devotion to Shirou, it seems just fitting. Of course, I don't know how accurate the japanese incorporated the standard greek mythology given Berzerker's and Saber's "true selves" and stuff.

Lego

04-29-2006, 04:34 PM

Interesting thought. Although from the looks of it, they're going for a combined ending.

Fencedude

04-29-2006, 06:22 PM

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treatment said:

I'm not sure who was the young dark-haired girl at the preview of ep-18, but I'm thinking it has to be Rin.

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It sure looks like Rin, but what was that falling around her...

Jadawin

04-30-2006, 10:12 AM

Ok episode but not specifically great in my book.

The "food fight" felt too out of place to me.
And its (still) rather annoying that nobody cares about the fact that Illya killed Sakuras brother.

houkoholic

04-30-2006, 10:55 AM

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Jadawin said:
And its (still) rather annoying that nobody cares about the fact that Illya killed Sakuras brother.

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I'm pretty sure that at this moment only Shiro knows that, and he's too busy protecting and correcting Ilya's previous ways to care about the past. Besides, even say if Rin and Saber knew they wouldn't care since Shinji was a Master and they all knew the consequences of the war.

Plus Shinji was a bastard that was suppose to die and not win any sympathy, especially if they decide to reveal what he's been doing in his life all along I doubt anyone would care about his death either. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Fencedude

04-30-2006, 01:44 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Jadawin said:
Ok episode but not specifically great in my book.

The "food fight" felt too out of place to me.
And its (still) rather annoying that nobody cares about the fact that Illya killed Sakuras brother.

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Shirou at this point doesn't really care.
Saber, doesn't care
Rin definitely would not care.
Sakura sure as hell won't care.

Shinji was a complete waste of a human being

Jadawin

04-30-2006, 02:02 PM

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Fencedude said:
[ QUOTE ]
Jadawin said:
Ok episode but not specifically great in my book.

The "food fight" felt too out of place to me.
And its (still) rather annoying that nobody cares about the fact that Illya killed Sakuras brother.

[/ QUOTE ]

Shirou at this point doesn't really care.
Saber, doesn't care
Rin definitely would not care.
Sakura sure as hell won't care.

Shinji was a complete waste of a human being

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Yeah, IMO Shiro is an idiot for not caring about such things.
Ok, Saber is a servant so I understand that.
Why wouldnt Rin care? Is somewhere in the anime hinted that she knows about how Shinji treated his sister?
Sakura might not care but you cant always assume that ppl who watch the anime already know about the game so the behaviour of the characters gives the impression that they're not behaving like normal ppl would do.

Fencedude

04-30-2006, 02:26 PM

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Jadawin said:
[ QUOTE ]
Fencedude said:
[ QUOTE ]
Jadawin said:
Ok episode but not specifically great in my book.

The "food fight" felt too out of place to me.
And its (still) rather annoying that nobody cares about the fact that Illya killed Sakuras brother.

[/ QUOTE ]

Shirou at this point doesn't really care.
Saber, doesn't care
Rin definitely would not care.
Sakura sure as hell won't care.

Shinji was a complete waste of a human being

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, IMO Shiro is an idiot for not caring about such things.
Ok, Saber is a servant so I understand that.
Why wouldnt Rin care? Is somewhere in the anime hinted that she knows about how Shinji treated his sister?
Sakura might not care but you cant always assume that ppl who watch the anime already know about the game so the behaviour of the characters gives the impression that they're not behaving like normal ppl would do.

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No one cares because SHINJI WAS A DOUCHEBAG.

HE DESERVED TO DIE.

Jadawin

04-30-2006, 03:23 PM

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Fencedude said:

No one cares because SHINJI WAS A DOUCHEBAG.

HE DESERVED TO DIE.

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Can you back up your reply with scenes from the anime?

Fencedude

04-30-2006, 04:08 PM

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Jadawin said:
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Fencedude said:

No one cares because SHINJI WAS A DOUCHEBAG.

HE DESERVED TO DIE.

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Can you back up your reply with scenes from the anime?

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He tried to melt HIS ENTIRE SCHOOL

Jadawin

04-30-2006, 04:21 PM

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Fencedude said:
[ QUOTE ]
Jadawin said:
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Fencedude said:

No one cares because SHINJI WAS A DOUCHEBAG.

HE DESERVED TO DIE.

[/ QUOTE ]

Can you back up your reply with scenes from the anime?

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He tried to melt HIS ENTIRE SCHOOL

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Yeah, you're right. But at the end nobody died or had any serious injuries or am I wrong?

And to be honest I was mainly thinking about any things which hinted that he was tormenting Sakura. Hopefully it'll be disclosured in one of the future episodes what exactly he did to her and why.

Lego

04-30-2006, 09:27 PM

I have to agree with everyone else heh. Shinji was a huge bastard, and needed to be wiped out. Sakura might of been happy actually heh, as he seemingly tormented her over, and over, and over.

mellowrg2

05-01-2006, 07:10 AM

Yeah, you're right. But at the end nobody died or had any serious injuries or am I wrong?

Uhh... I don't think you get the point.. If I planed something dastardly that would cause many life casualties for purely selfish reasons and I was stopped beforehand.. would that make me less of an ass?

Plus, he molested Ayako

Fencedude

05-01-2006, 07:58 AM

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Mellow RG_ said:

Plus, he molested Ayako

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AND HE KICKED TAIGA

Jadawin

05-01-2006, 11:01 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Mellow RG_ said:
Yeah, you're right. But at the end nobody died or had any serious injuries or am I wrong?

Uhh... I don't think you get the point.. If I planed something dastardly that would cause many life casualties for purely selfish reasons and I was stopped beforehand.. would that make me less of an ass?

Plus, he molested Ayako

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So he deserves the death sentence?

As I already said, initially I was talking about Sakura alone and although he did what he did I dont think that its realistic that the other characters dont seem to care at all UNLESS they all know what he did to Sakura. But theres no evidence about that in the anime, or is there?

bobma

05-01-2006, 03:55 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Jadawin said:
[ QUOTE ]
Mellow RG_ said:
Yeah, you're right. But at the end nobody died or had any serious injuries or am I wrong?

Uhh... I don't think you get the point.. If I planed something dastardly that would cause many life casualties for purely selfish reasons and I was stopped beforehand.. would that make me less of an ass?

Plus, he molested Ayako

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So he deserves the death sentence?

As I already said, initially I was talking about Sakura alone and although he did what he did I dont think that its realistic that the other characters dont seem to care at all UNLESS they all know what he did to Sakura. But theres no evidence about that in the anime, or is there?

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I don't really see why it would be neccessary to show any kind of grief or concern about his demise from any of the characters. The only reaction I'd expect from Sakura would be that she's a bit happier than before. You might even take her non reaction as a hint that there may have been more than meets the eye when it came to Sakura and family. As for Rin, why should she care? She didn't like him to begin with and also she knows and accepts that there may be causalties on the grail >>war<<, especially among the participants, who all knew what they were getting in. She was even prepared to leave Shirou dead before she knew it was him back in ep1 or 2. Iliya couldn't care less, she has the same semi-professional outlook on deaths winthin the grail war as Rin. Saber is the one who wanted to take down the loli after Berserker vanished, so I don't expect her to shed any tears over Shinji.

Last not least there's Shirou. He may have had something resembling friendship with Shinji, going by the talk that they knew each other for years. So, is he supposed to grief or make at least some issue about his death worth some screentime? From the bits we've seen in ep 1, Shinji was quite the asshole and I don't think even Shirou was dense enought to miss that. It seemed to me that he just cut him some slack for them being childhood friends. Then the grail war started and Shinji showed himself as a coward and someone willing to sacrifice countless innocents to gain an advantage, something that is almost directly opposed to Shirou's ideals. And that's not taking into account whether Shirou realized that Shinji was responsible for Ayako's assault (did Shinji reveal that to Shirou in one of his "I am teh l33t, you are the suxxor" speeches? I can't remember). Additionally Shirou was showing the intent to kill him with his own hands if he needed to, which shows to me that he has at least in part accepted that masters are knowingly betting their lives in this affair. Taking into account that Shirou has a whole lot of other stuff on his mind at the moment, I can see why Shinji's death wouldn't be a number one priority in his thought process. Besides, what would the alternative be? Let Shirou go back into angst mode for one or two episodes until he finds new resolve to fight or maybe some throwaway line like "Hmm, that stuff with Shinji really sucked, I may have to lecture Illiya about the value of life some time later today, even though he was a master and I was willing to do the same thing earlier."?

I don't argue whether Shinji deserved to die (to which I'd say "yes", going by my background knowledge about the game and the sense of poetic justice I apply to fictional characters in such larger that life stories), but rather why I can see that none of the cast seems to particularly care at that point of the story.

Lego

05-01-2006, 05:22 PM

Speaking of Shirou and Shinji, wasn't there a scene where Shirou acknowledged that Shinji was a jerk? I think it was before he went to clean the club house.

mellowrg2

05-01-2006, 07:41 PM

I don't understand your logic, Jadawin. What kind of reaction did you expect?

This person was an enemy who understood the rules of the war. He took an action, they countered it, he failed and subsequently lost his life after that. That's the justice of war for you. What it there left to be said?

All of them griefing his demise? In addition to that, Rin, Ilya and Saber by nature are prepared to murder a master because of the rules of the war. Rin doesn't even like him. Ilya is psychotic and Saber is prepared to get blood on her hands. Shirou is the only one who would give out some kind of reaction, and probably he laments the bastard deep inside. However as of now he is preoccupied by too many things for him to even remember that he died.

treatment

05-05-2006, 12:52 PM

it just aired and just saw the pics at 2ch.

wow!

From the pics, it was clear that they'd incorporated the HF-scenario that was hinted at ep-17/ep-18preview.

Here's a yummy spoiler-pic from 2ch: SPOILER http://img419.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11468475112127d8a7nr.jpg SPOILER

Jadawin

05-05-2006, 02:49 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Mellow RG_ said:
I don't understand your logic, Jadawin. What kind of reaction did you expect?

This person was an enemy who understood the rules of the war. He took an action, they countered it, he failed and subsequently lost his life after that. That's the justice of war for you. What it there left to be said?

All of them griefing his demise? In addition to that, Rin, Ilya and Saber by nature are prepared to murder a master because of the rules of the war. Rin doesn't even like him. Ilya is psychotic and Saber is prepared to get blood on her hands. Shirou is the only one who would give out some kind of reaction, and probably he laments the bastard deep inside. However as of now he is preoccupied by too many things for him to even remember that he died.

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Well I hoped for at least some kind of reaction. But there was none. Yeah, I knows theres war but seeing those (school)kids, its hard for me to imagine that. They (mostly) dont seem to know about Sakuras and Shinjis relationship so I hoped for some kind of consideration.

golthin

05-05-2006, 06:33 PM

[ QUOTE ]
treatment said:
it just aired and just saw the pics at 2ch.

wow!

From the pics, it was clear that they'd incorporated the HF-scenario that was hinted at ep-17/ep-18preview.

Here's a yummy spoiler-pic from 2ch: SPOILER http://img419.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11468475112127d8a7nr.jpg SPOILER

[/ QUOTE ]
I just watched this episode and I think this was the best Saber fight so far! Rin was awesome and I hope she doesn't die from the cut that Sakura got on her.

Lego

05-05-2006, 07:55 PM

Wow, this episode was awsome. As for the cut, don't be surprised if Gilgamesh pops in next episode and starts to wipe the floor with everyone . I liked this episode, as it showed Sakura gone wacky. Although I kept my eye out for any hint of Saber turning "Dark Saber" .

The fights in this episode were nicely done, and I'm really looking forward to the next episode. What is this I hear about Sakura and Rin being sisters, or something of the like? I was under the impression from the game that Sakura and Rin turned out to be sisters in a certain scenario .

Fencedude

05-05-2006, 08:51 PM

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Lego said:
Although I kept my eye out for any hint of Saber turning "Dark Saber" .

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I don't get why you keep bringing that up.

Dark saber only occured because Sakura took control of Saber, you can't have Dark Saber without Dark Sakura, and without Dark Sakura...there's no POINT in having Dark Saber.

Lego

05-05-2006, 08:55 PM

Exactly, that is why I was mentioning that I kept a close eye on this episode, as we had a "Dark Sakura in this episode. So as you mentioned with Sakura back to the light side, we probably won't see Dark Saber.

Fencedude

05-05-2006, 08:59 PM

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Lego said:
Exactly, that is why I was mentioning that I kept a close eye on this episode, as we had a "Dark Sakura in this episode. So as you mentioned with Sakura back to the light side, we probably won't see Dark Saber. 

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 My main point was that I've never gotten the impression that Dark Saber was particularly INTERESTING, past spamming Excalibur left and right.

Lego

05-05-2006, 10:13 PM

I get your point. It was interesting to me mainly due to the story arc for the series. Certain events had to happen for certain scenarios. Now that it's past, I'll move onto something else heh.

treatment

05-06-2006, 04:40 PM

Very good ep. Good three-way battle. I like the way the flashbacks were handled and done. It gave alot of good background info.

Saber vs Assasin battle at the stairs II
Shirou vs Kuzuki battle at the pillars
and
Teh Sexay Purple Goddess of Leather Clothing against the equally Sexay Mahou Shoujo Rin. /images/graemlins/relief.gif /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Wow, this episode was awsome. As for the cut, don't be surprised if Gilgamesh pops in next episode and starts to wipe the floor with everyone . I liked this episode, as it showed Sakura gone wacky. Although I kept my eye out for any hint of Saber turning "Dark Saber" .

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Yeah, Goldie's coming. The preview pretty much assured it.

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The fights in this episode were nicely done, and I'm really looking forward to the next episode. What is this I hear about Sakura and Rin being sisters, or something of the like? I was under the impression from the game that Sakura and Rin turned out to be sisters in a certain scenario .

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It's the HF-scenario the anime-writers incorporated nicely into the anime. Even the grandpa made a brief cameo.

Ep-19 should have more fights since it will be the much-awaited intro of Golden Boy into the series.

edit: found this at suki. pretty funny /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Saber in ep-18 (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d105/segaismysavior/Misc/WTF-Styled-Saber.jpg)

kaiyouske

05-06-2006, 05:34 PM

Heh, I too noticed that the art was a bit off in the episode. Ah well.

Lego

05-06-2006, 10:19 PM

Heh thats pretty good. It's fun sometimes when checking out blogs to see the comments about how sometime the animation or animators can take a shortcut or be "off" for a episode heh.

treatment

05-12-2006, 07:13 PM

Guess it just aired. Saber's "super-saijin boyfriend" has now finally made his appearance. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

Here are a some teaser pics from 2ch:

http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=114745313555703b19cg.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1147453053158c6261el.jpg

http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=114745311448888905hf.jpg <-- Rin pulling an Eri (school rumble). They should've gone all the way and made her do the Spinning Wizard move. /images/graemlins/relief.gif

Fencedude

05-12-2006, 07:16 PM

Caster got Gate of Babylon'd.

Ah well.

Lego

05-13-2006, 05:13 AM

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Caster got Gate of Babylon'd.

Ah well.

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Looks like "Goldy" is going to be the main bad guy now. I actually Kind of liked Caster without her hood heh. Without her hood, she seems like a real person, rather then the hooded "pure evil" bad guy. 

I really liked the starting of this episode, as the fights were pretty good and nicely animated. Next week we seem to have some down time. I was wondering when Saber's lion would make a appearance.

Fencedude

05-13-2006, 07:58 AM

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Lego said:

Looks like "Goldy" is going to be the main bad guy now. I actually Kind of liked Caster without her hood heh. Without her hood, she seems like a real person, rather then the hooded "pure evil" bad guy. 

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I forget who said this first, but the great irony behind Caster is that she's a horrible, evil woman with the face of an angel

Lego

05-14-2006, 05:44 AM

Yeh, it works if you know who she is based off of. I kinda like how they made creepy teacher guy into a character that you could see where he was coming from.

I'm looking forward to the next episode though, as it looks like Shirou might actually find his backbone and take Saber out somewhere.

Fencedude

05-14-2006, 08:17 AM

Hee...more thoughts.

Assassin SUCKS. He's the biggest jobber in the world.

He's a fake heroic spirit who doesn't even have a real Noble Phantasm. The fake person he's based on is best known for losing horribly to Miyamoto Musashi, he then gets summoned by another servant, and ends up getting beaten by Saber, who thus far has either jobbed horibly herself to everyone, or only won by pulling plot devices out of her and Shirou's collective ass.

God Assassin sucks.

Lego

05-14-2006, 11:26 AM

Well, the name would suggest that he wouldn't be to great in hand to hand combat, as a Assassin usually sneaks up behind people, which is kind of what Lancer did. If you want to talk about servants that suck, I really didn't care to much for Beserker. I got tired of the "Me crush puny human!" thing. Although if you think about it, each servant matches the masters personality.

Saber is/was noble like Shirou wants to be
Archer was cunning and knowledgable like Rin is
Beserker is vicious like Illya could be

and so on

To bad we won't get to see normal Rider /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

Fencedude

05-16-2006, 12:31 AM

Stolen from an anonymous on 4chan

[Captain] Our king is the god of war. He always stands on the frontline and does not know defeat.
[Soldier 1] “She,” sir.
[Captain] What was that?
[Soldier 1] Our king is a woman, sir.
[Soldier 2] And quite a looker at that.
[Captain] He always stands on the frontline and does not know defeat! No one can stand in the way of-
[Soldier 1] Forgive me for speaking out of turn, Captain, but that’s definitely a woman.
[Soldier 3] Though it might be a man with coconuts in his armor.
[Soldier 2] Are you trying to say that our king carries fruits in her chest?
[Captain] His chest! Look! Our king’s dauntless figure has not changed since he-
[Soldier 1] “She,’ sir.
[Captain] QUIET! Our king has not changed since he pulled out the sword of selection! The king does not age, and he certainly does not walk around with coconuts pressed to his chest!
[Soldier 3] So our king is a woman.
[Soldier 2] And quite a looker at that!

[Soldier 1] I’m so glad that I’m not the only one here that can see the blooming obvious!
[Captain] Stop speaking of our king as if he were some common two-pence tramp! He, and I do mean he, is the incarnation of a dragon! He will lead us to victory against-
[Soldier 1] “She,” sir!
[Captain] I’ve had enough out of you!
[Soldier 1] With all due respect, Captain, you’re a bloody loony! I am loyal to the king, but the king is a woman!
[Soldier 2] And quite a looker at that!
[Soldier 3] I wouldn’t mind having a quickie with her, if you know what I mean!
[Captain] ENOUGH! Our king is the blooming god of war! He does not walk around with coconuts in his chest, he is not quite a looker, and there will be no having quickies with our king!
[Saber] Is there a problem, Captain?
[Captain] Y… your majesty, I-
[Soldier 1] Your majesty… you’re a woman, right?
[Saber] …my gender is meaningless. I am the wielder of Excalibur and the King of Britain.
[Soldier 3] …so she’s a hermaphrodite?

treatment

05-17-2006, 04:49 PM

Just to update this thread...

The three-way battle from ep-18 was concluded in this ep. Saber bested Assasin. Shirou got beat by Kuzuki. Caster was about to deal the final blow on the RSS-team when suddenly, a Super Saijin in armor appeared.

It's Saber's "boyfriend". I don't recall if they revealed his name in the ep, so I'll just call him Golden Boy for now. Goldie's a powerful servant that belongs to the Archer-class like, uhmm, Archer. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif And he wasted no time declaring Saber's his before battling with Caster. Saber was clearly annoyed by him.

Caster was clearly outmatched and I don't know why Kuzuki was just standing there, either. Either way, some flashbacks about Caster and Kuzuki were shown. Caster was kinda cute with her elfin ears.

The RSS-team escaped with the unconscious Purple-haired Goddess and finally made their way to Casa de Shirou. Saber revealed what she knew about the new servant Goldie and a bit more history about her previous master in the last war. The next day, Shirou went to Kotomine to seek out some more answers.

The next ep, ep-20, seems to be the date-ep between Saber and Shirou.

Ep-19 was ok. The battle between Kuzuki and Shirou was better animated than the Saber-vs-Assasin battle. Goldie's appearance and stuff was a very grand entrance, indeed.

treatment

05-18-2006, 12:20 AM

The harem-girls of FSN: http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hareharefate4tl.jpg

it's so sweeeeeeeeeeeet! /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

adds:

if FSN went josei: http://img105.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11476495613555di.png /images/graemlins/relief.gif

teh fsn-loli: http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11470268095321440x21063ko.jpg

with a friend: http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i188/PhantomX2/Fate-Stay%20Night/IllyaAndLoli.jpg

and a little crossover confusion /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif : http://img107.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unlimitedraginghearts1xs0wa.jpg

Curse_7781

05-18-2006, 08:14 AM

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treatment said:
if FSN went josei: http://img105.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11476495613555di.png /images/graemlins/relief.gif

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I love this pic, definetly memorable to me /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

The others do nothing for me /images/graemlins/sad.gif

Enhance the Trance,
Curse

Lego

05-18-2006, 09:46 AM

That reminds me of the Fate side story(think it was or a Type Moon spin off) where Shirou is walking around town and notices Arc in a bikini on the front of a magazine and mentions that the woman looks familiar heh. I still think Neko Arc should get her own show.

treatment

05-18-2006, 02:59 PM

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treatment said:
if FSN went josei: http://img105.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11476495613555di.png /images/graemlins/relief.gif

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I love this pic, definetly memorable to me /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

The others do nothing for me /images/graemlins/sad.gif

Enhance the Trance,
Curse

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oh, well. Try these. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=udod84vmm852hshw2635iq.jpg

http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=155fm.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i188/PhantomX2/Fate-Stay%20Night/CasterSpell.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i188/PhantomX2/Fate-Stay%20Night/RinSaberVSBerserker.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i188/PhantomX2/Fate-Stay%20Night/DominatrixSakura.jpg

http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=029yi6am.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i188/PhantomX2/Fate-Stay%20Night/DontHurtRider.jpg

http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11471540232982gr.jpg

http://img349.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11451034516734vp.jpg

http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=451ml6cn.jpg

http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2006050111464935402388by.jpg

might be NSFW --> http://img417.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11470713091782ql.jpg <--- might be NSFW

http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2006050311465904429933lg.jpg <-- Rabi~en~Rider? /images/graemlins/relief.gif

http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=200604231145728309293al.jpg

http://img428.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1142470036020389dq.jpg

http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2006041811453716615585rt.jpg

http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1126231834093180qs.jpg

http://img277.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11433050684053rg.jpg

http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11426965714146hb.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i188/PhantomX2/Fate-Stay%20Night/RiderCaster.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=c665xl.jpg

http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rinach2gs.jpg

http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=co06rin28kx.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i188/PhantomX2/Fate-Stay%20Night/RinSaberHot.jpg

spoilerrific http://img303.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sexysakura6uj.jpg spoilerrific

the following might be NSFW or too ecchi

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i188/PhantomX2/Fate-Stay%20Night/SakuraRider.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i188/PhantomX2/Fate-Stay%20Night/FateGirlsBikinis.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i188/PhantomX2/Fate-Stay%20Night/EcchiSakura.jpg

the above might be NSFW or too ecchi

Lego

05-18-2006, 03:45 PM

I still wish Rider could of tagged along a little more in the series(she is my favorite Fate character next to Fuji-nee). Although I never liked Saber that much, during the series I'm starting to warm up to her heh. I really want to see the next episode with her and Shirou.

treatment

05-19-2006, 10:59 PM

spoil thyselves:

http://www.designchronicle.com/memento/archives/fatestay_night_ep20.html

Lego

05-20-2006, 09:07 AM

Yep, it was a light hearted episode to build up to the bloodbath that will be episode 20 heh. I particuarly liked the Shirou and Saber "date" heh. It's funny to see the lion pop up as I've seen so many fan art pictures and other pictures with some sort of lion in it. Well we get Gilgamesh next episode, who is pretty much the end all when it comes to servants.

I like the way they did the preview though, as it doesn't signal if Saber or Shirou is going to die. Although we have 6 more episodes left, so you can guess on that one. 

With Fate wrapping up, I'm interested to see what kind of ending they decide on.

Fencedude

05-20-2006, 03:40 PM

Four more episodes.

Lego

05-20-2006, 09:40 PM

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Four more episodes.

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Ah, thanks Fence, forgot that they're doing a 24 episode series. Well we have two less episodes then heh. Oh well, next episode looks pretty good.

Jadawin

05-21-2006, 02:00 PM

The date episode was very nicely done with the A production team working on it. But I'll have to watch it again coz I didnt really get all of what happened. I am not even sure for which exact purpose Saber wants the holy grail. To go back to the past and undo certain wrongdoings of her part? Is that even possible? Did I miss something in earlier eps?

Who was it that created the grail in the past war (the way Caster planned to do)?

I thought, it was cool how she reacted to Shiros cliched "Live now" speech by mentioning her duty etc. Well, but at the end they're holding hands so I guess you could say that he was succesfull. We'll probably see what they'll do with the grail at the end.
Great episode after the rather weak "killing off" of Caster and her master. Wish, we would have gotten more information about them.

golthin

05-21-2006, 02:59 PM

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Jadawin said:
The date episode was very nicely done with the A production team working on it. But I'll have to watch it again coz I didnt really get all of what happened. I am not even sure for which exact purpose Saber wants the holy grail. To go back to the past and undo certain wrongdoings of her part? Is that even possible? Did I miss something in earlier eps?

Who was it that created the grail in the past war (the way Caster planned to do)?

I thought, it was cool how she reacted to Shiros cliched "Live now" speech by mentioning her duty etc. Well, but at the end they're holding hands so I guess you could say that he was succesfull. We'll probably see what they'll do with the grail at the end.
Great episode after the rather weak "killing off" of Caster and her master. Wish, we would have gotten more information about them.

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in Caster "real life", she was betrayed by her lover for another woman, after she abandoned her family and even killed her brother for that man. She sacrificed everything for the man she love and never got anything in return from him. You can say that this time around she was lucky even though she lost, she sacrificed everything for the man she loved and the feelings were mutual.

Lego

05-21-2006, 07:49 PM

Yep. The fun thing to do is go check out who the characters are based on such as Archer, Lancer, Saber, Caster and so on. It really makes you realize why they act a certain way or how it pertains to their character.

Lego

05-26-2006, 08:59 PM

Well episode 21 has aired. Gilgamesh makes his apperance(as shown in the preview. This episode was very good like the last one. It starts out with Saber and Shirou battling Gilgamesh, with Saber and Shirou both getting beat up pretty bad. It appears that Shirou and Saber join up for a attack(can't tell if it was a Phantasm or not) and beat back Gilgamesh for the moment(not sure if he died or not).

The big thing for me was after the battle, where Shirou and Saber spend some alone time, and we get a kiss between them. Random points out that Sabers mana had recovered after the little kissy moment with Shirou, so you can draw a conclusion that they did more then kiss heh.

The biggest surprise is that our buddy Lancer is back, in his homicidal glory and stabs Shirou in the chest as a way of saying "Hiya kid".

golthin

05-27-2006, 11:06 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Lego said:
Well episode 21 has aired. Gilgamesh makes his apperance(as shown in the preview. This episode was very good like the last one. It starts out with Saber and Shirou battling Gilgamesh, with Saber and Shirou both getting beat up pretty bad. It appears that Shirou and Saber join up for a attack(can't tell if it was a Phantasm or not) and beat back Gilgamesh for the moment(not sure if he died or not).

The big thing for me was after the battle, where Shirou and Saber spend some alone time, and we get a kiss between them. Random points out that Sabers mana had recovered after the little kissy moment with Shirou, so you can draw a conclusion that they did more then kiss heh.

The biggest surprise is that our buddy Lancer is back, in his homicidal glory and stabs Shirou in the chest as a way of saying "Hiya kid". 

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I just watched this and I just have to say that the makers of this show set us good by making us hate Shirou at the beggining. I really hated Shirou from most of the series, but I have to admit that now that he has changed his attitude he RULES. Man he couldn't look more cool in this episode. IF there has been a guy that deserved to have a harem that is him. I really hope there is a happy end for him and Saber when the series is over.

treatment

05-27-2006, 12:50 PM

[ QUOTE ]
golthin said:
[ QUOTE ]
Lego said:
Well episode 21 has aired. Gilgamesh makes his apperance(as shown in the preview. This episode was very good like the last one. It starts out with Saber and Shirou battling Gilgamesh, with Saber and Shirou both getting beat up pretty bad. It appears that Shirou and Saber join up for a attack(can't tell if it was a Phantasm or not) and beat back Gilgamesh for the moment(not sure if he died or not).

The big thing for me was after the battle, where Shirou and Saber spend some alone time, and we get a kiss between them. Random points out that Sabers mana had recovered after the little kissy moment with Shirou, so you can draw a conclusion that they did more then kiss heh.

The biggest surprise is that our buddy Lancer is back, in his homicidal glory and stabs Shirou in the chest as a way of saying "Hiya kid". 

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I just watched this and I just have to say that the makers of this show set us good by making us hate Shirou at the beggining. I really hated Shirou from most of the series, but I have to admit that now that he has changed his attitude he RULES. Man he couldn't look more cool in this episode. IF there has been a guy that deserved to have a harem that is him. I really hope there is a happy end for him and Saber when the series is over.

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Shirou's Da Man and was definitely kewl in this ep. He's like the energizer bunny in this ep. Saber without her ponytail was quite hot. Her food prep was "unique". /images/graemlins/tongue.gif The kitchen and veranda moment were nicely done. Wonder if Shirou really got some. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

The triangle is a very good one, too. Golden Boy finally stated his name. I can't help but enjoy the dbz-ness of the fight. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

I got a little weirded out by Type Moon's interpretation of Mordred in the flashback. It was an interesting take.

golthin

05-27-2006, 01:19 PM

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treatment said:
Wonder if Shirou really got some. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

[/ QUOTE ]hahaha! Dude! do they have to put it in little subtitles in the bottom for you to be convinced. There is only one way for saber to Regain her mana with Chirou as her master and that is by doing the nasty. They just didn't feel like annoying us again with the cheap CGI and I'm grateful for that. It was subtle! First they are outside saber's room and then they are inside with her telling him that she is "FULL" /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

treatment

05-27-2006, 01:23 PM

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golthin said:
[ QUOTE ]
treatment said:
Wonder if Shirou really got some. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

[/ QUOTE ]hahaha! Dude! do they have to put it in little subtitles in the bottom for you to be convinced. There is only one way for saber to Regain her mana with Chirou as her master and that is by doing the nasty. They just didn't feel like annoying us again with the cheap CGI and I'm grateful for that. It was subtle! First they are outside saber's room and then they are inside with her telling him that she is "FULL" /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Yeah. That's the other unintended funny of it. Quite a tease. There's also that split-second flashing. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif /images/graemlins/relief.gif

Lego

05-27-2006, 06:17 PM

Yep, I didn't catch it the first time around heh. As treatment mentioned, it's one of those subtle hints that you have to pick up on. Well next episode our buddy Lancer is back, so we should get another fight scene.

Jadawin

05-28-2006, 07:07 PM

Right, although I expected to see Saber sleeping on the bed after the kissing scene to make it more obvious.
Regarding the first "mana refill" scene a few eps. before: going only from the anime, I dont think there are enough or any hints that they "did it". For me they only kissed, so ep. 21 was the first ep. where they did more than that. If I missed anything, well then prove me wrong.

Anyways, interesting. So Shirou is Sabers sheath? Literally? Its still not clear to me, what exactly he is supposed to be, but I guess that'll be cleared up in the remaining eps. And I'd appreciate it if he could do accomplish something without Sabers help (so far iirc we only had "combined attacks").
And I didnt get Sabers dream. I am probably lacking the necessary knowledge about the King Arthur saga or something.

Nice surprise finding out, who Lancers master is.

golthin

05-28-2006, 07:50 PM

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Jadawin said:
Right, although I expected to see Saber sleeping on the bed after the kissing scene to make it more obvious.
Regarding the first "mana refill" scene a few eps. before: going only from the anime, I dont think there are enough or any hints that they "did it". For me they only kissed, so ep. 21 was the first ep. where they did more than that. If I missed anything, well then prove me wrong.

Anyways, interesting. So Shirou is Sabers sheath? Literally? Its still not clear to me, what exactly he is supposed to be, but I guess that'll be cleared up in the remaining eps. And I'd appreciate it if he could do accomplish something without Sabers help (so far iirc we only had "combined attacks").
And I didnt get Sabers dream. I am probably lacking the necessary knowledge about the King Arthur saga or something.

Nice surprise finding out, who Lancers master is.

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They did the first time too, they only used the dragon thing to get away from actually showing some sex. About the dream, in one of the versions of the legend, Arthur had a child with Morgan le fay, his sister. So arthur was the boy's father and uncle at the same time. Arthur slept with Morgan before he found she was his half sister from his mother side. At the end Arthur and his son fought for the right to rule england and both died at each others hands , just like in the dream, leaving england without a king and in chaos. That is what Saber want to fix, she want to let someone else be king instead of her because she made mistakes.

Lego

05-28-2006, 09:26 PM

Yep, Golthin is on fire today heh. As for the "mana refill scenes", I think of it as sex heh. I mean thats the way the game had it, and like Golthin mentioned, the dragon thing was a easy way to fit that detail into the series. I mean check out how Saber acts towards Shirou AFTER that scene with the bath and her blushing heh.

Jadawin

05-28-2006, 09:29 PM

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golthin said:
They did the first time too, they only used the dragon thing to get away from actually showing some sex.

[/ QUOTE ]

Uh, the dragon stands for sex? /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif

[ QUOTE ]
About the dream, in one of the versions of the legend, Arthur had a child with Morgan le fay, his sister.
So arthur was the boy's father and uncle at the same time. Arthur slept with Morgan before he found she was his half sister from his mother side. At the end Arthur and his son fought for the right to rule england and both died at each others hands , just like in the dream, leaving england without a king and in chaos. That is what Saber want to fix, she want to let someone else be king instead of her because she made mistakes.

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Ah, now I remember. In another version, she also tried to seduce Arthur, I think. Ok, I saw that in a movie (dont remember the name of it). But Saber being a man (father) is still confusing and I am wondering if there'll be some kind of explanation. Anyways, thx for the information! /images/graemlins/happy.gif

battle001

05-28-2006, 10:46 PM

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Jadawin said:
I'd appreciate it if he could do accomplish something without Sabers help (so far iirc we only had "combined attacks").

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what are you talking about he helped rin fight lancer,and beserker. well the future him anyway 

is it just me, or are shirou's shoulders getting bigger

and the main character getting some is a type-moon specialty <like tsukihime's shiki>

golthin

05-28-2006, 10:47 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Jadawin said:
[ QUOTE ]
golthin said:
They did the first time too, they only used the dragon thing to get away from actually showing some sex.

[/ QUOTE ]

Uh, the dragon stands for sex? /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif

[ QUOTE ]
About the dream, in one of the versions of the legend, Arthur had a child with Morgan le fay, his sister.
So arthur was the boy's father and uncle at the same time. Arthur slept with Morgan before he found she was his half sister from his mother side. At the end Arthur and his son fought for the right to rule england and both died at each others hands , just like in the dream, leaving england without a king and in chaos. That is what Saber want to fix, she want to let someone else be king instead of her because she made mistakes.

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Ah, now I remember. In another version, she also tried to seduce Arthur, I think. Ok, I saw that in a movie (dont remember the name of it). But Saber being a man (father) is still confusing and I am wondering if there'll be some kind of explanation. Anyways, thx for the information! /images/graemlins/happy.gif

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I also find it strange because Saber is called Chichi-ue by the son. So I don't know what is going on.

battle001

05-28-2006, 11:38 PM

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They did the first time too, they only used the dragon thing to get away from actually showing some sex.

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Uh, the dragon stands for sex? /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif

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About the dream, in one of the versions of the legend, Arthur had a child with Morgan le fay, his sister.
So arthur was the boy's father and uncle at the same time. Arthur slept with Morgan before he found she was his half sister from his mother side. At the end Arthur and his son fought for the right to rule england and both died at each others hands , just like in the dream, leaving england without a king and in chaos. That is what Saber want to fix, she want to let someone else be king instead of her because she made mistakes.

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Ah, now I remember. In another version, she also tried to seduce Arthur, I think. Ok, I saw that in a movie (dont remember the name of it). But Saber being a man (father) is still confusing and I am wondering if there'll be some kind of explanation. Anyways, thx for the information! /images/graemlins/happy.gif

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I also find it strange because Saber is called Chichi-ue by the son. So I don't know what is going on.

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I think the movie you are thinking of is merlin with sam neil

saber was a king so every one used male refrences for her.
it's kind of like she is too masculine to be a woman, and the fact that women did not have as high a rank in society.
but she pulled the sword so she is king regardless of gender she is and will always be female. the special armor gives that away. <yeah i need a little more room in the chest area> perhaps the real father is a guy named morgan.

Lego

05-29-2006, 01:14 AM

Yep. Just make Arthur female in the "Sword and the Stone" story heh. As for the reason why Shirou and Saber seem to team up a lot, well, that is a easy one. Certain attacks can be pulled off with both of them, and Shirou has the attitude where he wants to fight with Saber.

I keep mentioning it, but I'll mention it again heh. I came into the series being a Rider fanboy, but I'm starting to like Saber more and more heh. It should be interesting to see how they end the series, as we only have 3 more episodes to go.

Jadawin

05-29-2006, 11:36 AM

Berserker was defeated by another combined attack.

battle001

05-29-2006, 10:02 PM

archer was able to kill him a few times, he just had so many lives

treatment

06-02-2006, 12:11 PM

from 2ch:

http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11492660777652wa.jpg

http://img273.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11492672141134yc.jpg

http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11492662069641il.jpg

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I think these two below are actually preview-snaps for ep-23. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

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http://img273.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11492675978461yw.jpg

Edible

06-02-2006, 12:38 PM

My, Ilya. You're looking awfully EoE Rei-ish.

Lego

06-02-2006, 07:19 PM

Episode 22 was pretty good heh. The story is coming together nicely, and we only have two more episodes left. While I should talk about the Lancer and Gilgamesh fight did anyone notice the goofy face on the Holy Grail?

golthin

06-02-2006, 11:29 PM

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Episode 22 was pretty good heh. The story is coming together nicely, and we only have two more episodes left. While I should talk about the Lancer and Gilgamesh fight did anyone notice the goofy face on the Holy Grail?

[/ QUOTE ]Good episode introduction for the next fight. Can't wait for episode 23.

battle001

06-02-2006, 11:50 PM

pretty good episode 
some of the music sounds like it was ripped from tsukihime
<i'm not complaining just pointing it out>

so heres a question do you think studio Deen is doing a better job animationwise on this show then J.C Staff did with Tsukihime

i vote for J.C. Staff all the way

Lego

06-03-2006, 01:19 AM

Fate and Tsukihime are two different shows animation wise for me. Fate has more fight scenes and battles in it then Tsukihime did. JC Staff's animation(talking about art wise) was really good in Tsukihime. At times not a lot went on in Tsukihime, and the battles were short lived. But for a show like Fate which centers on battles between masters and servants, I like Deen's animation.

But if you were asking me which studio I would like to see(based on current work on Type Moon stories) adapt another Type Moon story, I would go with JC.

Suwako Moriya

06-07-2006, 11:27 AM

Yeah episode 22 was pretty good, it would be nice if the final battle can be contained to episode 23. That way episode 24 can be a full epilogue episode as opposed to a "Crap we lost/won, but only ten seconds are left. Quick roll the credits" type situation. I'll just have to wait and see. Either way I'm hoping for the best.

Plus I have to admit, my worry that I mentioned much earlier turned out to be dead wrong. In fact I have to wonder why I was even so worried in the first place. Maybe I need to learn not to jump the gun and remember how things work. Yes I am talking about how I feared Beserker was being over played to the point, I was worried future servants wouldn't be able to top him. Yet Caster was definitely more dangerous. Then of course you have Archer (Gilgamesh) who is blatantly to me way more dangerous than Beserker. I mean just those weapons floating there ready to strike makes him a lot more fearsome. Also he has a rather cool entrance in the series. Especially with the theme that plays.

Lego

06-07-2006, 08:50 PM

Gilgamesh is basically the "end all" servant wise as you've seen since he has appeared. Episode 23 and 24 should be fun, mainly to see what kind of ending we get.

Suwako Moriya

06-07-2006, 09:31 PM

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Gilgamesh is basically the "end all" servant wise as you've seen since he has appeared.

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Which reminds me, we need a music video of Gilgamesh scenes played to Battle of the Big Bridge from Final Fantasy. Yes, I was actually required to say that. Either way in all seriousness the main thing I want ia decent epilogue and not one rushed due to time constraints.

Lego

06-09-2006, 08:05 PM

Well episode 23 has aired, and it went how I thought it would. We get Shirou and Saber heading home to check on Rin and Illya, but they find Rin in pretty bad shape(check out all the blood on the wall) and Illya gone. To make the summary brief, Saber is fighting Gilgamesh and gives him a decent kick in the face heh. Shirou is fighting Kotomine with little success.

The next episode preview didn't give that many hints, as it seemed to be shots of the main characters. The one interesting shot is Saber with her hair down though. 

It's starting to look like they'll follow the "FATE" path at the end of the game. But I wouldn't be surprised if they have mixed ending. But right now my prediction for the ending is for Saber and Shirou to win their fights, they share a touching moment, and Saber decides to go back to her time since the war is over. Then we get the "back to normal" shot of Sakura, Rin, Fuji, and Illya all in the same house arguing or carrying on as normal.

golthin

06-09-2006, 08:36 PM

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for Saber and Shirou to win their fights, they share a touching moment, and Saber decides to go back to her time since the war is over. Then we get the "back to normal" shot of Sakura, Rin, Fuji, and Illya all in the same house arguing or carrying on as normal. 

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I really hope and that they surprise us with a different end than that.

Edible

06-16-2006, 12:15 PM

Well, it's over.

Didn't deviate from the Fate ending. Oh well.

golthin

06-16-2006, 12:20 PM

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Well, it's over.

Didn't deviate from the Fate ending. Oh well.[

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the end of a great series that will be missed. I have not seen the actual final episode yet, but going from the above statement. Oh well! I was already prepared for that end, I was just hoping for something different.

treatment

06-16-2006, 12:26 PM

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Well, it's over.

Didn't deviate from the Fate ending. Oh well.[

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the end of a great series that will be missed. I have not seen the actual final episode yet, but going from the above statement. Oh well! I was already prepared for that end, I was just hoping for something different.

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All I can say is

All hail the loli grail!!! /images/graemlins/tongue.gif /images/graemlins/relief.gif

golthin

06-16-2006, 12:31 PM

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Edible said:
Well, it's over.

Didn't deviate from the Fate ending. Oh well.[

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the end of a great series that will be missed. I have not seen the actual final episode yet, but going from the above statement. Oh well! I was already prepared for that end, I was just hoping for something different.

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All I can say is

All hail the loli grail!!! /images/graemlins/tongue.gif /images/graemlins/relief.gif

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hehehe
 I feel sorry for Shirou, the rest of his sex life is ruined. It will be hard to find a girl that can do him and make him see a dragon

treatment

06-16-2006, 01:27 PM

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Well, it's over.

Didn't deviate from the Fate ending. Oh well.[

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the end of a great series that will be missed. I have not seen the actual final episode yet, but going from the above statement. Oh well! I was already prepared for that end, I was just hoping for something different.

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All I can say is

All hail the loli grail!!! /images/graemlins/tongue.gif /images/graemlins/relief.gif

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hehehe
 I feel sorry for Shirou, the rest of his sex life is ruined. It will be hard to find a girl that can do him and make him see a dragon 

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I'm not sure if that's really a bad tradeoff, tho.

Besides, Shirou still has the majority of his harem intact: two smoking-hot sisters, an age-of-consent-and-more-than-willing loli, and a possible older woman f-buddy to, say, show him the ropes.. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif /images/graemlins/relief.gif

And who knows? Maybe Geneon will produce a dvd-only ep where blondie gets back with Shirou. The arthurian-legend ending is very flexible, you know. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

Lego

06-16-2006, 06:04 PM

Heh, figured they were going for the Fate ending after the events of the last few episodes. I liked the ending, and will be picking Fate up on R1 whenever Geneon puts it out. I'm happy that we got to see some Fuji in this episode, as she is always a welcome character.

A lot about the ending has been discussed, but I think it was a pretty good way to end the show.

golthin

06-16-2006, 07:42 PM

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Heh, figured they were going for the Fate ending after the events of the last few episodes. I liked the ending, and will be picking Fate up on R1 whenever Geneon puts it out. I'm happy that we got to see some Fuji in this episode, as she is always a welcome character.

A lot about the ending has been discussed, but I think it was a pretty good way to end the show.

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Well, I finally saw the last episode! I have no complains about the final episoide, with the exeption It was not what I wanted. You can't always get your way. Maybe Shirou and Saber will meet in Heroes heaven. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

battle001

06-16-2006, 08:27 PM

the only thing i did not like about the ending is that it did not have archer at all, granted he's dead but i thought he would be brought back again.
 i thought the story of him being shirou's future self was a very good concept in all three story lines.

Lego

06-16-2006, 08:28 PM

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the only thing i did not like about the ending is that it did not have archer at all, granted he's dead but i thought he would be brought back again.
 i thought the story of him being shirou's future self was a very good concept in all three story lines. 

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It was interesting to see how they would end it, since as you mentioned they had other story lines. I'm satisfied with the ending, as we got the confession before Saber went back . Although this is probably me being dense, but did Saber die when she got back to her time period?

golthin

06-16-2006, 08:36 PM

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the only thing i did not like about the ending is that it did not have archer at all, granted he's dead but i thought he would be brought back again.
 i thought the story of him being shirou's future self was a very good concept in all three story lines. 

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It was interesting to see how they would end it, since as you mentioned they had other story lines. I'm satisfied with the ending, as we got the confession before Saber went back . Although this is probably me being dense, but did Saber die when she got back to her time period? 

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YES When she woke up in her time, she was being carried by sir Beldevere, and she said she saw a dream. then she asked Sir Beldevere to take her sword and return it to the lake. When Sir Beldevere got back, Saber told him she was going to sleep again for a little longer than before(death). After she died, Sir Beldevere told Saber that her dream was going to continue.