Gundam Wing Question [Archive]

theworld

04-05-2006, 07:22 PM

Despite the redundancy of arguing about which GW boy is gay or not - a neverending argument, it seems - I do recall there being two incidences in Gundam Wing that actually DID display homosexual relationships in some way. Though it wasn't any of the main five boys or Zechs or Treize, I vaguely remember that at one point near the end, Duo walks in on two soldiers together. At another time in the show that escapes me, I also remember there being two soldiers that held each other before they died in an explosion.

Could someone clear this up for me and tell me whether or not this is true? It's been racking my brain for a while.

bakafoo

04-05-2006, 07:45 PM

There are a lot of scenes where it involves two soldiers dying in Gundam Wing. If any, Zech's subordinate has a deep infatuation for him, that he took the liberty of test-piloting and ramming the Tallgeese I at one of the Sanc Kingdom's mansions/rebel outposts.

theworld

04-05-2006, 08:01 PM

There was one scene in particular where I remember two soldiers holding each other before they died. And I just gotta know about that thing that Duo saw.

Hayate Kurogane

04-05-2006, 08:27 PM

I rewatched the show (for the fifth or sixth time) over the course of a couple of months at the end of last year, so a lot of it is still fairly fresh in my mind.

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I vaguely remember that at one point near the end, Duo walks in on two soldiers together.

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I can't remember anything of that sort. Your brain might be recalling the scene where Duo has snuck into either the moon base or Libra, and goes to open a cell door, only to close it quickly, with a surprised reaction and a line something like, "That definitely wasn't what I was expecting to see." (The narrative then jumps to something else, and then returns to Duo to reveal he's found the five scientists in the cell.) Your brain might also be taking the vague memory of that scene and adding in the yaoi element. I don't mean that to be insulting; we all know how strangely our brains can twist things around even when we don't want them to.

It might be something else, but that's the most likely candidate. Even though it's only been a few months since I watched the show, I might simply be forgetting a scene more like what you remember, but I think that one is what you're thinking of.

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At another time in the show that escapes me, I also remember there being two soldiers that held each other before they died in an explosion.

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There's most likely a scene somewhere in Gundam Wing where soldiers on the bridge of a ship, or inside a building, or something, are shown briefly before an explosion hits, and that among those soldiers are two who are standing close to each other but drawn in such a way that it could willfully or subconsciously be misinterpreted that they're actually embracing. It might even be that a soldier is handing a clipboard or something to another soldier, so it looks like their arms are clasped.

If you think you're remembering a scene that's a bit more significant, like two somewhat important characters, or even a scene that only features two soldiers and thus leaves less room for doubt, I can't think of one.

While there are plenty of scenes that could be interpreted as indicating a possible homosexual relationship, or vague feelings at the very least, between characters in Gundam Wing (things like conversations between Treize and Zechs, or even more subtle things like the scene where Quatre's practicing some sort of instrument and Trowa walks in, picks up a flute, and joins him), there was never anything that outright indicated homosexuality as you're wondering about. At least, not that I can recall. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

joelgundam01

04-05-2006, 09:33 PM

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I rewatched the show (for the fifth or sixth time) over the course of a couple of months at the end of last year, so a lot of it is still fairly fresh in my mind.

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The World said:
I vaguely remember that at one point near the end, Duo walks in on two soldiers together.

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I can't remember anything of that sort. Your brain might be recalling the scene where Duo has snuck into either the moon base or Libra, and goes to open a cell door, only to close it quickly, with a surprised reaction and a line something like, "That definitely wasn't what I was expecting to see." (The narrative then jumps to something else, and then returns to Duo to reveal he's found the five scientists in the cell.) Your brain might also be taking the vague memory of that scene and adding in the yaoi element. I don't mean that to be insulting; we all know how strangely our brains can twist things around even when we don't want them to.

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Same here! That's the only scene that comes close to what the OP was talking about.

Lego

04-06-2006, 04:24 AM

I wouldn't call Trieze gay though. The guy had a(Endless Waltz Spoilers)wife and kid, as shown in Endless Waltz . The thing that I think a lot of people mistake and misjudge is the fact that Trieze had fanatically loyal soldiers. They believed in his ideals, liked him as a commander, and would literally die for him.

Zechs, being his right hand man for a long time also looks up to Trieze. So it's one of those things where I think it's more mutal respect then a relationship.

naiera

04-06-2006, 07:35 AM

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If you think you're remembering a scene that's a bit more significant, like two somewhat important characters, or even a scene that only features two soldiers and thus leaves less room for doubt, I can't think of one.

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Neither can I, and I finished the show just this Tuesday, albeit for the first time ever. I watched it while being aware of the fact that many people thought there was a yaoi sort of "theme" going on, but I really couldn't see much of it, outside of the fact that Heero walks around in an undershirt all the time. Of course, I guess the boys are also all kinda "pretty". I won't assume to know what women like, but I guess this plays a part too. And Trowa doesn't get romantically involved with the circus girl either, of course.

I believe you also saw strong indications of Treize having a family early in Wing. There's the time when the kid almost falls into the lake chasing a butterfly. I don't think there's any doubt that it was supposed to be his wife and son in that scene.

Elana

04-06-2006, 07:50 AM

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If you think you're remembering a scene that's a bit more significant, like two somewhat important characters, or even a scene that only features two soldiers and thus leaves less room for doubt, I can't think of one.

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And Trowa doesn't get romantically involved with the circus girl either, of course.

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I would hope not, she's his biological sister!

Lego

04-06-2006, 08:14 AM

I don't remember him having a son though. Endless Waltz features the return of his daughter who has been brain washed into thinking she has the right to rule. They visit Trieze's grave at the end of the movie/OVA. 

Part of the reason why I think this issue comes up a lot is how they act. I mean didn't they explain in one of the first episodes that it was basically a suicide mission(haven't seen Wing in forever)? So not being prepared to be around for more then your mission, plus the fact that you have teenage angst, most wouldn't want to jump into a relationship right away.

Although I don't blame Heero. Relena became almost stalker like.

naiera

04-06-2006, 08:23 AM

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I would hope not, she's his biological sister!

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Is that revealed in the show? I must've missed it.

naiera

04-06-2006, 08:24 AM

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I don't remember him having a son though.

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Then who was the kid that nearly fell into the lake chasing the butterfly?

samwise

04-06-2006, 09:52 AM

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Then who was the kid that nearly fell into the lake chasing the butterfly?

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I thought he was nobody, just some random mother and kid who happened to be at the lake.

theworld

04-06-2006, 09:52 AM

Well, while that sorta answers my question, I never said before that I thought of anything else beyond that as having yaoi elements to it. It's just with this kind of show it's child's play for a yaoi fangirl to change and alter some things to be completely different...And who could blame them?

theworld

04-06-2006, 10:08 AM

Didn't the man that was controlling Mariemaia reveal that he just picked her up off the streets?

naiera

04-06-2006, 11:11 AM

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I thought he was nobody, just some random mother and kid who happened to be at the lake.

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Would a random kid and his mother be at Treize's lake on his family estate? Treize also talks to the mom as if they're quite familiar with each other.

3479

04-06-2006, 11:39 AM

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If you think you're remembering a scene that's a bit more significant, like two somewhat important characters, or even a scene that only features two soldiers and thus leaves less room for doubt, I can't think of one.

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And Trowa doesn't get romantically involved with the circus girl either, of course.

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I would hope not, she's his biological sister!

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I must admit I really, really disliked the way that was handled. They already had one seperated brother and sister reunited, and having two is somewhat pushing it. Something that big should've been in the tv series, or a quick flashback in either the Endless Waltz OAVs or movie.

fantasydewdrop

04-06-2006, 11:50 AM

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I would hope not, she's his biological sister!

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Is that revealed in the show? I must've missed it.

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It's revealed in the Episode Zero manga, which is supposed to be in the show canon. The backstories were written to be included durring the series, but they ran out of time so couldn't include them. Later, they were released as a manga.

fantasydewdrop

04-06-2006, 11:51 AM

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While there are plenty of scenes that could be interpreted as indicating a possible homosexual relationship, or vague feelings at the very least, between characters in Gundam Wing (things like conversations between Treize and Zechs, or even more subtle things like the scene where Quatre's practicing some sort of instrument and Trowa walks in, picks up a flute, and joins him), there was never anything that outright indicated homosexuality as you're wondering about. At least, not that I can recall. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

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Frankly, I think that if "Hey Heero, when are you gonna come and kill me?!" from Relena is a valid expresion of love, then Quatre saying, "Oh, I don't care if it's to kill me, as long as I get to see him again," about Trowa is an equally valid expression of love. I mean serriously.

fantasydewdrop

04-06-2006, 11:52 AM

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I wouldn't call Trieze gay though. The guy had a(Endless Waltz Spoilers)wife and kid, as shown in Endless Waltz . The thing that I think a lot of people mistake and misjudge is the fact that Trieze had fanatically loyal soldiers. They believed in his ideals, liked him as a commander, and would literally die for him.

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(Spoilers from the TV, Endless Waltz, and the Episode Zero manga.)
Well, I used to think Wufei was straight because he was married before the series (though not of his own choice), and clearly cares about his deceased wife since he calls Shenlong the name she gave it rather than the name he gave it, and he seemingly winds up with Sally later until I saw his little obsession with Treiz. Can't help but wonder if he isn't bi now.... /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

But in all seriousness, Treiz never really registered on my gaydar. Neither did Zecks (Noin clearly owns his heart).

Elana

04-06-2006, 12:12 PM

fantasydewdrop

04-06-2006, 12:33 PM

It's only "prooved" in the manga, though the proof is still slightly vuage as we're just shown that Trowa's sister resembles Cathrine, and we're shown that they have very similar childhoods to the point that they were seperated. There's still the slight chance that it's really just some bizzare coincidence that they have similar pasts and similar families, but it's highly unlikely that they aren't related. They almost certainly are.
In the show, Cathrine does claim that Trowa is her brother, and treats him as such. Whether or not she does realise that he's truely her brother, I don't know, but she might have remembered Trowa's appearance, noticed his natural talents, etc, and pieced the puzzle togeather from there.

Lego

04-06-2006, 01:51 PM

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Didn't the man that was controlling Mariemaia reveal that he just picked her up off the streets?

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It's clearly stated a dozen or so times in EW that Mariemaia is Trieze's daughter. Don't they show a picture of him, her and his wife sometime during EW? You have to remember what happened in Wing. Trieze looses the second duel with wu fei and dies in space with the Tallgeese II. So Trieze is gone, and Oz starts to break apart. In EW, Dekim finds Trieze's daughter, and brain washes her.

He most likely gave her the low down on OZ, and how influential her father was. You also have to account the fanatic loyalty that Trieze's soldiers had to the cause and to him. So when they heard that Trieze's daughter was running the show, they joined up, and they had the military power of former OZ members behind them. So Dekim is the puppet master. As to the comment about finding her on the streets, when Dekim goes to take out Relena, and Mari jumps in front of her(getting shot herself), he makes the comment that he can just find a replacement or someone "off the streets". I still have the feeling that the line was put in to show how crazy/ruthless Dekim was.

But back to the main point, Mari is his daughter. In the end of EW, her and Lady Une go to his grave and put flowers their. She even mentions her father. As for the kid and his mom, I'm not sure. Didn't the Romenfeller(god I butchered that spelling) Foundation basically make Trieze stay at some type of "palace/residence" later on in the show? I'm not sure if it was his place, or if it was a random place. I really don't think that it's his wife though. I forget how his wife died, if they even mentioned it. I'm sure with Trieze their, he has visitors, fellow officers, and so on.

naiera

04-06-2006, 03:07 PM

The house arrest thing was a long time after the previously referred to incident with the supposed wife and son.

Lego

04-06-2006, 04:37 PM

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The house arrest thing was a long time after the previously referred to incident with the supposed wife and son.

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Ah. I find it more as a "character moment". I mean it's a chance for the director to show people that Trieze doesn't eat babies, and is actually a good guy.

AbeChinchilla

04-06-2006, 05:00 PM

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I would hope not, she's his biological sister!

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Oh, my GOD!! What?!?

AbeChinchilla

04-06-2006, 05:03 PM

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But in all seriousness, Treiz never really registered on my gaydar. Neither did Zecks (Noin clearly owns his heart).

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And as does Lady Une for Treiz's heart. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

LADY UNE!!

Lego

04-06-2006, 05:42 PM

I remember when I was first watching Wing(when it was on CN), I first thought that Lady Une was his wife/girlfriend. But it seems like she is his right hand commander/aid. Although didn't they show a picture of Trieze, Mari, and her mom in EW, but her face was "glared out"?

I don't think I'd go as far as labeling Une as Trieze's wife, but they did share some chemistry together in a lot of scenes. Zechs on the other hand is Noin's. I saw that coming a mile away.

I really liked Trieze as a character though. To bad there were never any figures of him or anything. I could get a model of Tallgeese I, II, or III, but I suck at painting.

Hayate Kurogane

04-06-2006, 07:37 PM

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I thought he was nobody, just some random mother and kid who happened to be at the lake.

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Would a random kid and his mother be at Treize's lake on his family estate? Treize also talks to the mom as if they're quite familiar with each other.

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It was most likely just a staff person and her child. And I don't believe Treize ever actually says anything to the mother; it's all internal monologue stuff. As Lego notes in a more recent post, it's just meant to be a small bit of character development/clarification for Treize.

Hayate Kurogane

04-06-2006, 07:51 PM

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While there are plenty of scenes that could be interpreted as indicating a possible homosexual relationship, or vague feelings at the very least, between characters in Gundam Wing (things like conversations between Treize and Zechs, or even more subtle things like the scene where Quatre's practicing some sort of instrument and Trowa walks in, picks up a flute, and joins him), there was never anything that outright indicated homosexuality as you're wondering about. At least, not that I can recall. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

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Frankly, I think that if "Hey Heero, when are you gonna come and kill me?!" from Relena is a valid expresion of love, then Quatre saying, "Oh, I don't care if it's to kill me, as long as I get to see him again," about Trowa is an equally valid expression of love. I mean serriously.

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I see your point, but I never thought of the dynamic between Heero and Relena as love in the first place. At least, not of the "we're going to seriously make out at some point" love, anyway. The whole purpose of Heero and Relena throughout the series is to stand as one of the more prevalent war and politics discussions the show is trying to convey. Neither Relena's "peace will solve everything" mindset nor Heero's "I'll defeat all the enemies" mindset is correct, yet such extreme ideologies are very real, and conflict between them is inevitable. Rather than having old men around a conference table talk about it, the show chooses to present that conflict via its characters. I don't see it as Heero and Relena falling in love, but rather, as necessitated by the show's plot and goals, they are constantly conflicting and coming closer to an ideological middle ground as a result. If you strip away the fact that Gundam Wing is trying to carry on a serious, albeit oversimplified and robot-filled, political discussion, then we can talk about whether or not they're going to be having babies together later on.

On that same line of thought, Quatre expressing so desperately his desire to see Trowa again strikes me not so much as friendship, or desire in a love-related sense, as it does a conveyance of the ideology represented by Quatre in that the pooling of different beliefs and mindsets by humanity as a whole is necessary for coexistence, and that the outright dismissal or abrupt elimination of a valid way of thinking (in this case, Trowa's apparent death) is neither constructive nor correct.

Hayate Kurogane

04-06-2006, 08:03 PM

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I really liked Trieze as a character though. To bad there were never any figures of him or anything. I could get a model of Tallgeese I, II, or III, but I suck at painting.

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I've always counted Treize among my favorite characters in anime. In a very real sense, he's the "main" main character of Gundam Wing. As much as anything else, I was always struck by how eccentric and arrogant he was, yet he was never obnoxious or devious or any number of such qualities that might have cast a truly negative light on his character. The audacity of his actions and ultimate goal continue to be impressive, even if it succeeds more at being compelling and dramatic than at being a decisive way of dealing with the issue of war in a fictional setting, and I stand by my belief that he's the strongest antagonist (note: not villain or bad guy or enemy) that Gundam has offered yet.

The 1/100 Tallgeese III model (http://www.hlj.com/product/BAN57131) can look pretty impressive even without painting. You just need some wire cutters, a pen knife, relatively steady hands, and a day off. Parts come with it such that you can customize it to look like either of the other two Tallgeese...es? Though painting is then definitely required.

mighty_vespa

04-06-2006, 08:38 PM

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Parts come with it such that you can customize it to look like either of the other two Tallgeese...es?

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Tallgander?

Lego

04-07-2006, 05:09 AM

I actually have that model heh. As for Quatre, I don't neccisarly think he "likes" Trowa per say, but is just happy to have a friend. If I remember right, it was him, then 10+ other kids? I think they were all sisters, so you can kinda see why he might not be the most manly guy. Not to mention that he is seemingly rich on earth, and probably wasn't allowed to have many friends, or was kept in the dark.

So when someone comes along that shares his views, is nice to him, and is a Gundam pilot to, he sees it as a friendship. Although that relationship between him and Dorothy would be a weird one.

Vicserr

04-07-2006, 07:57 AM

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Parts come with it such that you can customize it to look like either of the other two Tallgeese...es?

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Tallgander?

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I don't know... They were never together

The fate of the 3 Tallgeese:
*Tallgeese I got destroyed in space, Zecks then received Epyon
*Treize Used Tallgeese II for the Earth Unified Nation Attack on Libra, and got offed by Wufei
*Zecks Used Tallgeese III in GW:Endless Waltz

The Tallgeese III model came with the extra parts to make it a Tallgeese I or II(except for the head crest and the Blue Armor -you supply the Blue paint- TallGeese I and II are identical)

Hayate Kurogane

04-07-2006, 03:58 PM

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The Tallgeese III model came with the extra parts to make it a Tallgeese I or II(except for the head crest and the Blue Armor -you supply the Blue paint- TallGeese I and II are identical)

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I and II are not identical.

Tallgeese I (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/w/oz-00ms.htm)
Tallgeese II (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/w/oz-00ms2.htm)

Fencedude

04-07-2006, 04:05 PM

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The Tallgeese III model came with the extra parts to make it a Tallgeese I or II(except for the head crest and the Blue Armor -you supply the Blue paint- TallGeese I and II are identical)

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I and II are not identical.

Tallgeese I (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/w/oz-00ms.htm)
Tallgeese II (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/w/oz-00ms2.htm)

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Other than the head and the color scheme, they are.

Hayate Kurogane

04-07-2006, 04:25 PM

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I actually have that model heh. As for Quatre, I don't neccisarly think he "likes" Trowa per say, but is just happy to have a friend. If I remember right, it was him, then 10+ other kids? I think they were all sisters, so you can kinda see why he might not be the most manly guy. Not to mention that he is seemingly rich on earth, and probably wasn't allowed to have many friends, or was kept in the dark.

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On some level, I take issue with the insinuation that empathy is inherently not masculine, but not enough that I'm going to argue the point. Especially since it's almost unrealistically exaggerated in Quatre anyway. (Though at the beginning of the show, it's among a number of other vague hints that Quatre and some of the other characters might be Newtypes, or something like them. That's not the case, of course, and I don't agree with the folks who think that the writers were planning on it and then dropped the idea halfway through; it's just a case of seeing what you want to.)

Quatre actually had not 10, but 29 sisters, all grown in test tubes. He's the youngest child of the family, and the only one naturally born. (This info is given in a number of official places, including the Episode Zero manga and other supplements to the series, and is briefly touched on in the series itself.) According to the backstory written by Katsuyuki Sumisawa (one of the Gundam Wing scriptwriters), of which a fair portion is shown in the Episode Zero manga, Quatre was at one point a selfish jerk since he felt he and his sisters were created for the sake of convenience and that his life therefore had no meaning (he was never told that he was his mother's only natural child; I can't remember if it's revealed to him by his father in the series or not). His lack of friends, one can assume, was by choice.

I suppose the reason that he felt for Trowa specifically as a friend moreso than the other pilots might be simply because Trowa was the first of the other pilots that Quatre encountered, and with whom he then did the most traveling. For a more meaningful reason, it could be said that Trowa was the one among the pilots for whom Quatre had the most empathy since he saw in Trowa his own former vague direction in life and lack of sense of self he once had.

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So when someone comes along that shares his views, is nice to him, and is a Gundam pilot to, he sees it as a friendship. Although that relationship between him and Dorothy would be a weird one.

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As for Dorothy, though it's not much of a relationship but more of a single significant encounter, it could be that he also sees something of himself in Dorothy in terms of their pasts and motivations (i.e., trying to find their own purpose in life due to being unsatisfied with living a life in which they perceive themselves as being unwanted but necessary, even though that's not necessarily the case) and that Dorothy ended up as a darker, more militant version of himself.

Hayate Kurogane

04-07-2006, 04:27 PM

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The Tallgeese III model came with the extra parts to make it a Tallgeese I or II(except for the head crest and the Blue Armor -you supply the Blue paint- TallGeese I and II are identical)

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I and II are not identical.

Tallgeese I (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/w/oz-00ms.htm)
Tallgeese II (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/w/oz-00ms2.htm)

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Other than the head and the color scheme, they are.

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Yes, as I read Vicserr's post once again, I now read it correctly for the first time. My mistake.

Lego

04-07-2006, 04:28 PM

Man did Dorothy turn out to be a bitch later in Wing heh. As far as I know, here are the "offical pairings":

Relena and Heero
Wu Fei and Sally
Zechs/Milliardo and Noin
Quatre and Dorothy(possibly)
Trowa and Cathrine(brother and sister)
Duo and Hilde

As far as Trieze, we all know he was married, so hes pretty much taken care of. As for Lady Une, I'm not sure really. I mean you could tell she obviously loved and was devoted to Trieze as a aid and as a person. Was there ever any background info about he given(other then what happens to her later on in the series and in EW)?

Hayate Kurogane

04-07-2006, 04:38 PM

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Man did Dorothy turn out to be a bitch later in Wing heh.

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She's in the unenviable position of being a character whose motivations dictate that she place herself in difficult positions in order to find ways to guide people the way she wants; in other words, she's a character that seems to be very proactive and an initiator of events, but is actually just reacting in extreme ways to the events unfolding around her. She does come off as a bitch, but it's more like just paper-thin arrogance as a result of her feeling that she's completely in control of things, hence her extreme 180-degree turn of character in the last two episodes as she finally realized, or allowed herself to realize, as a result of her conversation with Quatre, that what was going on around her was something out of her control.

Elana

04-07-2006, 07:12 PM

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Man did Dorothy turn out to be a bitch later in Wing heh.

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She's in the unenviable position of being a character whose motivations dictate that she place herself in difficult positions in order to find ways to guide people the way she wants; in other words, she's a character that seems to be very proactive and an initiator of events, but is actually just reacting in extreme ways to the events unfolding around her. She does come off as a bitch, but it's more like just paper-thin arrogance as a result of her feeling that she's completely in control of things, hence her extreme 180-degree turn of character in the last two episodes as she finally realized, or allowed herself to realize, as a result of her conversation with Quatre, that what was going on around her was something out of her control.

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It should also be noted, Dorothy is Treize's cousin. I believe that's mentioned in the series. They were both conniving and working behind layers upon layers to make their visions happen.

Vicserr

04-07-2006, 10:22 PM

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I and II are not identical.

Tallgeese I (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/w/oz-00ms.htm)
Tallgeese II (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/w/oz-00ms2.htm)

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Other than the head and the color scheme, they are.

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Yes, as I read Vicserr's post once again, I now read it correctly for the first time. My mistake.

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It's nice to know that at least I got some of my facts straight /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

and just to finish with the model talk, Tallgeese I and II (basically Tallgesee I with additional runners with the extra pieces ) were available individually /images/graemlins/happy.gif

Hayate Kurogane

04-07-2006, 10:26 PM

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The Tallgeese III model came with the extra parts to make it a Tallgeese I or II(except for the head crest and the Blue Armor -you supply the Blue paint- TallGeese I and II are identical)

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I and II are not identical.

Tallgeese I (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/w/oz-00ms.htm)
Tallgeese II (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/w/oz-00ms2.htm)

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Other than the head and the color scheme, they are.

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Yes, as I read Vicserr's post once again, I now read it correctly for the first time. My mistake.

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It's nice to know that at least I got some of my facts straight /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

and just to finish with the model talk, Tallgeese I and II (basically Tallgesee I with additional runners with the extra pieces ) were available individually /images/graemlins/happy.gif

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But only as 1/144 scale versions. The option to customize the 1/100 Tallgeese III model was a great solution to the lack of 1/100 scale versions of I and II, though. I do still lament the lack of a Taurus model, since Noin is awesome and the collection seems incomplete without her white Taurus. Even if it were one of the regular ones that I'd have to repaint to be all white, you know?

Vicserr

04-08-2006, 06:56 AM

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Sakura Shinguji said:
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Vicserr said:
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Sakura Shinguji said:
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Fencedude said:
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Sakura Shinguji said:
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Vicserr said:
The Tallgeese III model came with the extra parts to make it a Tallgeese I or II(except for the head crest and the Blue Armor -you supply the Blue paint- TallGeese I and II are identical)

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I and II are not identical.

Tallgeese I (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/w/oz-00ms.htm)
Tallgeese II (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/w/oz-00ms2.htm)

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Other than the head and the color scheme, they are.

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Yes, as I read Vicserr's post once again, I now read it correctly for the first time. My mistake.

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It's nice to know that at least I got some of my facts straight /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

and just to finish with the model talk, Tallgeese I and II (basically Tallgesee I with additional runners with the extra pieces ) were available individually /images/graemlins/happy.gif

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But only as 1/144 scale versions. The option to customize the 1/100 Tallgeese III model was a great solution to the lack of 1/100 scale versions of I and II, though. I do still lament the lack of a Taurus model, since Noin is awesome and the collection seems incomplete without her white Taurus. Even if it were one of the regular ones that I'd have to repaint to be all white, you know?

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When I had the model bug, I went for the 1/144

I think the Leo and The Taurus got LM model releases(limited articulations and you had to paint them)