You can't be serious...

[guyver83]

Ok, this is SOOOOOOO funny and sad.. Your resident Kobe lover and Hilary Haag AKA TOFU (tm by vicious) made an auction for YOU.. YES, you the legit buying Anime fans to pay him to trash his boots and how to trash it.. HAHAH what a TARD!

edit: oh yeah...
The link (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=240000020249)

[Puppet Master]

This has got to be one of the weirdest auctions I've seen on E-Bay only one that matches it is the "Haunted Nintendo" than again maybe this is worse. But it is funny from my view anyways.

[mcarocks2003]

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But it is funny from my view anyways.

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He's also promoting ethics /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

[Steve_the_Talking_Pie]

KOBE!!!!

[Vicious]

I am serious. People seem to be good at telling others what to do when the other person is the one who is losing money. I wanted to see how many people would be active in trying to destroy boots when it was THEIR money that was a factor. Apparently not many. /images/graemlins/relief1.gif

This is a very interesting experiment and is well worth the $1.20 in fees that it cost me to list it.

[Genesis]

Ha ha ha, that's just too funny. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Kaikou]

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I am serious. People seem to be good at telling others what to do when the other person is the one who is losing money. I wanted to see how many people would be active in trying to destroy boots when it was THEIR money that was a factor. Apparently not many. /images/graemlins/relief1.gif

This is a very interesting experiment and is well worth the $1.20 in fees that it cost me to list it.

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You must be insane, as your logic is absurd. Why should anybody pay you to basically watch bootlegs of anime? If your able to get some money back for the boots you bought, they are actually helping you fund buying more bootlegs or allowing you to make money off of bootlegs. They'd be better off sending $4 to one of the company's you stole from, if they actually wanted to be charitable, as in your eyes, amounts to donating to the cause. Your the one losing money? If you wouldn't have bought the bootlegs in the first place, you wouldn't be losing anything.

If Iridium was actually around, I think this thread would be locked for what basically amounts to the selling of bootlegs.

[Vicious]

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Vicious said:
I am serious. People seem to be good at telling others what to do when the other person is the one who is losing money. I wanted to see how many people would be active in trying to destroy boots when it was THEIR money that was a factor. Apparently not many. /images/graemlins/relief1.gif

This is a very interesting experiment and is well worth the $1.20 in fees that it cost me to list it.

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You must be insane, as your logic is absurd. Why should anybody pay you to basically watch bootlegs of anime? If your able to get some money back for the boots you bought, they are actually helping you fund buying more bootlegs or allowing you to make money off of bootlegs. They'd be better off sending $4 to one of the company's you stole from, if they actually wanted to be charitable, as in your eyes, amounts to donating to the cause. Your the one losing money? If you wouldn't have bought the bootlegs in the first place, you wouldn't be losing anything.

If Iridium was actually around, I think this thread would be locked for what basically amounts to the selling of bootlegs.

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A. I didn't start the thread. But either way, the auction is about destroying bootlegs. Noone will be receiving any bootlegs.

B. Your logic is the one that is flawed. First, you're assuming that I am still purchasing bootlegs which is incorrect. I'm actually not buying a whole lot of any DVD's lately. Also, you're coming up with hypotheticals about the past (if you wouldn't have bought bootlegs, you wouldn't be losing anything). The past can not be changed. The present and future can. You can help destroy bootlegs if you so desire.

[vegeta768]

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Vicious said:
I am serious. People seem to be good at telling others what to do when the other person is the one who is losing money. I wanted to see how many people would be active in trying to destroy boots when it was THEIR money that was a factor. Apparently not many. /images/graemlins/relief1.gif

This is a very interesting experiment and is well worth the $1.20 in fees that it cost me to list it.

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You must be insane, as your logic is absurd. Why should anybody pay you to basically watch bootlegs of anime? If your able to get some money back for the boots you bought, they are actually helping you fund buying more bootlegs or allowing you to make money off of bootlegs. They'd be better off sending $4 to one of the company's you stole from, if they actually wanted to be charitable, as in your eyes, amounts to donating to the cause. Your the one losing money? If you wouldn't have bought the bootlegs in the first place, you wouldn't be losing anything.

If Iridium was actually around, I think this thread would be locked for what basically amounts to the selling of bootlegs.

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People aren't paying him to WATCH bootlegs of anime, they are paying him to DESTROY them.

[Kaikou]

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A. I didn't start the thread. But either way, the auction is about destroying bootlegs. Noone will be receiving any bootlegs.

B. Your logic is the one that is flawed. First, you're assuming that I am still purchasing bootlegs which is incorrect. I'm actually not buying a whole lot of any DVD's lately. Also, you're coming up with hypotheticals about the past (if you wouldn't have bought bootlegs, you wouldn't be losing anything). The past can not be changed. The present and future can. You can help destroy bootlegs if you so desire.

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I didn't assume anything, I gave a statement that said they are either helping you buy more bootlegs or they will be helping you make money off from bootlegs. Only one of those senarios is true and I didn't make an assumption on which one is true, but obviously the latter is.

Your alternative if people don't pay you money to destroy the bootlegs is to sell the bootlegs on Ebay or in some other manner, as you aren't willing to just throw them away. That is no different then someone saying they will stop doing an illegal activity (as selling them would be), only if they are paid some compensation to encourage them to do so. What your doing in that auction is giving an ultimatum, either people pay you or you will sell the bootlegs.

[Kaikou]

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Vicious said:
I am serious. People seem to be good at telling others what to do when the other person is the one who is losing money. I wanted to see how many people would be active in trying to destroy boots when it was THEIR money that was a factor. Apparently not many. /images/graemlins/relief1.gif

This is a very interesting experiment and is well worth the $1.20 in fees that it cost me to list it.

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You must be insane, as your logic is absurd. Why should anybody pay you to basically watch bootlegs of anime? If your able to get some money back for the boots you bought, they are actually helping you fund buying more bootlegs or allowing you to make money off of bootlegs. They'd be better off sending $4 to one of the company's you stole from, if they actually wanted to be charitable, as in your eyes, amounts to donating to the cause. Your the one losing money? If you wouldn't have bought the bootlegs in the first place, you wouldn't be losing anything.

If Iridium was actually around, I think this thread would be locked for what basically amounts to the selling of bootlegs.

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People aren't paying him to WATCH bootlegs of anime, they are paying him to DESTROY them.

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He should destroy the bootlegs on his own, if people give him any money for those bootlegs to be destroyed, they have given some of the cost back to him; in that way contributing to the cost which allowed him to watch them.

[Vicious]

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moogleman said:

People aren't paying him to WATCH bootlegs of anime, they are paying him to DESTROY them.

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Thank you. At least someone understands.

[Vicious]

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He should destroy the bootlegs on his own, if people give him any money for those bootlegs to be destroyed, they have given some of the cost back to him; in that way contributing to the cost which allowed him to watch them.

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But I won't destroy them on my own. I am not going to cost myself money. I don't have a conscience. But you sound like you do. So if you want, for a little more than a penny a day, you can help destroy a bootleg.

[Kaikou]

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Smashingblue said:

He should destroy the bootlegs on his own, if people give him any money for those bootlegs to be destroyed, they have given some of the cost back to him; in that way contributing to the cost which allowed him to watch them.

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But I won't destroy them on my own. I am not going to cost myself money. I don't have a conscience. But you sound like you do. So if you want, for a little more than a penny a day, you can help destroy a bootleg.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think the best thing to do is to not pay you anything. At the very least you should have a hard time selling certain titles on Ebay. As you already stated a Rightstuf title auction was shut down by Right Stuf themselves. Ebay now puts a warning on your account that lasts for 60 to 90 days, each time an illegal auction gets shut down. Repeat offenders will get their accounts closed.

Your willing to cost yourself money by selling these boots for less than Ebay will give you. Unless you plan on destroying the boots on a per disc basis, instead of a per set.

With the money I save by doing this, I can buy myself a couple DVD's.

[Vicious]

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I think the best thing to do is to not pay you anything.

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So when your money is on the line, you decide to do nothing. Got it.

Well thanks for taking the time to look at my auction. Perhaps others will take a more active approach.

[vegeta768]

So if the boots were yours, you would have willingly destroyed them even though you could gain a part of the money back?

[Kaikou]

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I think the best thing to do is to not pay you anything.

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So when your money is on the line, you decide to do nothing. Got it.

Well thanks for taking the time to look at my auction. Perhaps others will take a more active approach.

[/ QUOTE ]

I already gave you reasons why I wouldn't give you any money. Same reason I wouldn't give a crack addict money to destroy crack he bought and decided he was going to stop, but didn't want to just throw the stuff away. The only difference is unfortunetely, currently you can't just report someone for having or selling DVD bootlegs to the police.
[unless your selling US movies in huge bulk and report them to the MPAA] (which I would report to the police in the crack addict senario)

[Kaikou]

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So if the boots were yours, you would have willingly destroyed them even though you could gain a part of the money back?

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Yes and I'm not the only one, as people here on AOD and elsewhere have reported to accidentally buying a bootleg and just trashed it upon finding out.

[Vicious]

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So if the boots were yours, you would have willingly destroyed them even though you could gain a part of the money back?

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Yes and I'm not the only one, as people here on AOD and elsewhere have reported to accidentally buying a bootleg and just trashed it upon finding out.

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Can I get before and after pictures of this? Call me a skeptic, but I'd like proof rather than simply taking someone's word for it.

[Kaikou]

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So if the boots were yours, you would have willingly destroyed them even though you could gain a part of the money back?

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Yes and I'm not the only one, as people here on AOD and elsewhere have reported to accidentally buying a bootleg and just trashed it upon finding out.

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Can I get before and after pictures of this? Call me a skeptic, but I'd like proof rather than simply taking someone's word for it.

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Can't say I recall any names, but the most often culprit years ago was buying a SM (Sonmay) music CD, thinking it was legit. Although I've read people who have bought things ranging from DVD bootlegs to bootlegs of GBA games.

If you wish to talk to someone directly, I personally know someone who's wife bought his daughter a bootleg GBA game and didn't know it. He threw it out and went out and bought the legit version. (even though they were identical, minus faded looking printing and different cartridge plastic)

Maybe it's beyond your comprehension, but there are those out there, who just don't want to break the law, let alone steal from someone. (buying and selling bootlegs, both hurt the original copyright owners)

[Vicious]

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Maybe it's beyond your comprehension, but there are those out there, who just don't want to break the law, let alone steal from someone. (buying and selling bootlegs, both hurt the original copyright owners)

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But I'm going to use the funds from destroying the bootlegs to buy legit versions of those series. See, so you'd actually be helping the industry by bidding on my auctions. If i simplty 'throw them away', then I don't have the funds to buy the legit versions. But if I make money off of destroying the boots, then I can buy the R1 versions - thus helping the industry use those profits to buy and release even more series. In the end, it's a win (I make money), win (you feel good about yourself), win (the industry makes money) situation if people bid on my auctions.

[Kaikou]

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Maybe it's beyond your comprehension, but there are those out there, who just don't want to break the law, let alone steal from someone. (buying and selling bootlegs, both hurt the original copyright owners)

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But I'm going to use the funds from destroying the bootlegs to buy legit versions of those series. See, so you'd actually be helping the industry by bidding on my auctions. If i simplty 'throw them away', then I don't have the funds to buy the legit versions. But if I make money off of destroying the boots, then I can buy the R1 versions - thus helping the industry use those profits to buy and release even more series. In the end, it's a win (I make money), win (you feel good about yourself), win (the industry makes money) situation if people bid on my auctions.

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Unless you plan on never having more then $40 again to buy DVD's that's not really a concern. The industry will make money from you again in the future sooner or later. The industry would make far more if instead of giving you $40 to get rid of bootlegs, they gave the money to the industry directly. (even if you would sell them, as an alternative)

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Can I get before and after pictures of this? Call me a skeptic, but I'd like proof rather than simply taking someone's word for it.

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Earlier this year, some amazon seller sold me bootlegs claiming they were legit. (Amazon sellers do not provide images - they list their items alongside Amazon listings.)

I tricked the seller into refunding me my money, but I lost a number of dollars on shipping.

I still have the bootlegs. Come summer, I'll be taking them to a shooting range in Baltimore to have some fun with Praem's gun. If you want images, I will provide them.

Hell, you live close enough. Come join us. It'll be a jolly good time. We can shoot yours up to while we're at it.

[Kailu_Lantis]

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But I'm going to use the funds from destroying the bootlegs to buy legit versions of those series. See, so you'd actually be helping the industry by bidding on my auctions. If i simplty 'throw them away', then I don't have the funds to buy the legit versions. But if I make money off of destroying the boots, then I can buy the R1 versions - thus helping the industry use those profits to buy and release even more series. In the end, it's a win (I make money), win (you feel good about yourself), win (the industry makes money) situation if people bid on my auctions.

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Upon reading your posts in this thread I can safely conclude your reasoning is wrong. It is wrong because the arguments you are using to defend your position are fallacies.

1. "People are always saying 'selling HK's is so wrong'. Well, here is your chance to make a difference"

Buying bootlegs whether or not previously knowing what they were is your and only your responsibility. What's done is done and cannot be changed. However, if you've come to your senses and realized that what you had been doing was wrong, it is entirely up to you to make up for your mistakes and/or face any consequences.

Your argument is flawed because you're conditioning your conduct to a stimulus ($) from others. In other words, if they don't pay you don't get rid of them.

2. "See, so you'd actually be helping the industry by bidding on my auctions."

Another fallacy. This argument is trying to trick the reader into believing he or she "has the power" to correct something that, in reality, is completely out of his/her control.

A. Bidding on your auctions will only help you earn money.

B. Bidding on your auctions does not guarantee you will not buy bootlegs again. Heck, it doesn't even assure us you will destroy what you own.

The truth is there's only one thing we can do to help the industry: Avoiding bootlegs and preventing others from buying them when possible.

3. All of the DVD's are in like-new condition. Each disc has been watched once. Audio is in English and Japanese with optional English subtitles.

This is completely unnecessary. Why provide detailed information about something that is to be destroyed?

Your description leads me to think you have a hidden intention. Nobody except you would know if you actually sold them to someone who showed interest and offered you more than $4 to buy them. After all, only the winner is to get "pics of the discs snapped in half".

In summary:

You refuse to face the consequence of buying bootlegs, that is, to admit you wasted your money on trash and that now you'll have to spend even more money to replace them with a legit copy.
Not happy with this, you expect others to help you absord the cost by conveniently stating it's for the industry's sake.

You don't even care about the industry, as your main & goal is to make money out of something you don't need anymore.

[Azumangaman]

Hey, I think some people bought some:P

[Vicious]

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3. All of the DVD's are in like-new condition. Each disc has been watched once. Audio is in English and Japanese with optional English subtitles.

This is completely unnecessary. Why provide detailed information about something that is to be destroyed?

Your description leads me to think you have a hidden intention. Nobody except you would know if you actually sold them to someone who showed interest and offered you more than $4 to buy them. After all, only the winner is to get "pics of the discs snapped in half".

You don't even care about the industry, as your main & goal is to make money out of something you don't need anymore.

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I used the same basic template I use for all my DVD auctions. That part is in every single one of my auctions, and I just happened to fail to take it out.

As for that last statement of yours - pretty much. I don't care about anyone or anything other than myself. But then again, I have never claimed to either. Nor have I tried to make people feel bad about their purchasing decisions. My stance has always been - if it doesn't affect me, I don't care.

[Kaikou]

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I used the same basic template I use for all my DVD auctions. That part is in every single one of my auctions, and I just happened to fail to take it out.

As for that last statement of yours - pretty much. I don't care about anyone or anything other than myself. But then again, I have never claimed to either. Nor have I tried to make people feel bad about their purchasing decisions. My stance has always been - if it doesn't affect me, I don't care.

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Having you say that really hits home how people are able to just go out and rob other people. Basically if something benefits you, but hurts others, it's okay to do in your eyes. (whether stealing cars, DVD's, etc.)

The ironic thing is you have an infatuation with a VA at ADV and yet still buy ADV bootlegs. You really take that "if it doesn't affect me, I don't care" mantra to heart. I wonder if you'll ever be able to be in a meaningful relationship with the attitude of, "I don't care about anyone or anything other then myself". Hell with that statement, I wonder how you can possibly have any friends at all, as that requires you to at least have some semblance of caring for your friends.

[Vicious]

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yet still buy ADV bootlegs. You really take that "if it doesn't affect me, I don't care" mantra to heart.

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Bought. Past tense. Try to keep it straight.

Look, I try to do the right thing. Does it always end up that way - no. Unlike most people, I don't sit here and preach something while I know it not to be true. Ultimately, everyone is out for their own best interests.

I also don't sit here and judge others. I know alot of people like to do that. Perhaps that makes them feel better about themselves. In the end, I'm going to answer to god and not you or anyone else. So you can judge me from 1500 miles away all you want. You can think I'm the most evil person in the world. I simply don't care what you nor anyone else believes.

You've heard 'My Way' by Frank Sinatra? Well, I've always done it my way. Alot of times it was harder that way, but I'm too stubborn to do it any other way. Do I have regrets? A few, but then again, too few to mention.

[Kaikou]

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yet still buy ADV bootlegs. You really take that "if it doesn't affect me, I don't care" mantra to heart.

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Bought. Past tense. Try to keep it straight.


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You've been obsessed with Hillary Haag for as long as I've seen you on these forums. I find it hard to believe that before you joined these forums (or however long you've been a fan of Hillary Haag) is when you had purchased the ADV bootleg. The statement I made still stands, regardless. My point being that you don't even care about Hillary Haag's career being affected negatively by boots. (at least at the time of purchae) [Even if now if you do care, which it seems you do, your statement regarding how you don't care about others and only your self makes little sense)

The rest of your post pretty much contradicted your previous posts, so don't really have anything to say regarding it.

[Vicious]

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You've been obsessed with Hillary Haag for as long as I've seen you on these forums. I find it hard to believe that before you joined these forums (or however long you've been a fan of Hillary Haag) is when you had purchased the ADV bootleg. The statement I made still stands, regardless. My point being that you don't even care about Hillary Haag's career being affected negatively by boots. (at least at the time of purchae) [Even if now if you do care, which it seems you do, your statement regarding how you don't care about others and only your self makes little sense)

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This might surprise you and I know you won't believe me - but I have never purchased a single boot of any series Tofu was in.

For me, I don't not purchase boots because of 'morality' or because I care about the industry or companies. For me it's more of a personal level type of thing. I met Monica and some of the other ADV VA's and they were all so nice. So I wasn't about to do anything that would hurt their livelihood. Then I met Mike McFarland and some Funi peeps and they were all so nice that I didn't want to do anything to hurt their livelihood. If I had never met any of them, I'd probably still buy boots.

It's sorta like how people talk about how Nike uses all these sweatshops in china to make their products. But for me, I've never seen their faces, so it doesn't strike home for me. I'm sure if I visited one of those sweat shops and was able to put a face with it, then it would be a different story.

My mind doesn't work like everyone else's, so stop trying to make sense of it. Just go bid on my auction, otherwise stop trying to make logic of the illogical.

[porkchopexpress]

Just came into some money and thought it would be funny. Smash away dude!

[Shale]

I'll gladly chip in for a few. But only if he agrees to put the money toward an Elton Brand jersey.

[Vicious]

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I'll gladly chip in for a few. But only if he agrees to put the money toward an Elton Brand jersey.

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How about a Deion Sanders jersey? /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

[Chloe]

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I'll gladly chip in for a few. But only if he agrees to put the money toward an Elton Brand jersey.

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How about a Deion Sanders jersey? /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Dude, that is LOW... I'd wear the Brand jersey over Sanders any day. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Just a few random thoughts: You say S/H is $0 since you are going to destroy them there; how are you going to send the winner the pictures? Also, if those Lupin boots are from the seasons that are not available in R1, is that any worse then paying for a fansub? I know, they are bad too, but I tend not to get so upset over things that can't be seen over here yet myself. I know, that's weak. /images/graemlins/shy00000.gif

You should take Monika up on that shooting range idea, that sounds infinitely more fun. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

[Vicserr]

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Just a few random thoughts: You say S/H is $0 since you are going to destroy them there; how are you going to send the winner the pictures?

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Well, Send the photos thru Email... no shipping charges anywhere /images/graemlins/wink.gif

but man, so much rhetoric for smashing boots... /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif