Empty robots - has Gundam reached the end of its road?

[Njr Scrawl]

Do you think the Gundam story well has run dry after Destiny?

After the UC, Wing & Seed + offbeat series, is there anything else original left to do?

Do you think Gundam in all forms should be retired honourably now (apart from movies/compilations), or kept going as the archetype mecha series no matter what?

[Lego]

Hmm, interesting topic. I personally loved Wing, as it helped me get into "mainstream" anime if you will. That and having Two Mix do the music, I really enjoyed it. As for the other Gundams, I really only liked 08th MS team, Zeta, and 0083. I'm interested in Gundam V, but I haven't really seen anything about it.

Gundam is still a popular franchise. The characters from Seed and Destiny rank in the top 3 when Newtype or Animage does a character poll for the year or month. Gundam models and merchandise sell well. There are endless ammounts of Gundam Seed doujin, and so on. The only thing that kind of rubs me the wrong way though is when a series changes its plot or episodes to market something. I remember during Seed or Destiny's run, there was a quote from the producer(think so) that they went back and featured this one Gundam more so it could sell more models.

I think Gundam is still popular after Seed and Destiny. After all Gundam is Gundam. But to some fans(like myself), I didn't find Gundam Seed and Wing to interesting. I would kill to have a UC timeline like the old days with Zeon and everyone heh.

[golthin]

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Wrath of the Njr said:
Do you think the Gundam story well has run dry after Destiny?

After the UC, Wing & Seed + offbeat series, is there anything else original left to do?

Do you think Gundam in all forms should be retired honourably now (apart from movies/compilations), or kept going as the archetype mecha series no matter what?

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they need to combine Gundam with My otome! I know that my Otome had many Gundam characteristics, but I mean a real combination or a crossover /images/graemlins/happy.gif. Gundams fighting Otomes. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

[Drakonis]

As long as they can still write a good story and continue to design some wickedly awesome mecha there will always be Gundam. Seed managed to recapture the epic feel of the original UC storyline for me. Obviously the talent needed to keep the franchise strong isn't waning. They've already proved innumerous times that retreading the same plotlines and ideas never gets stale so long as there's interesting new twists involved. All that combined with the musical talent, jpop artists, and unbelievably articulate toys. A guaranteed formula for success.

Not that it really matters anyway. Seed Destiny won't be done releasing here until 2008. And I haven't seen any of the stuff not released here yet, namely ZZ, Turn A and X. Either way, i'm set for the next ten years if they keep up this snails pace, heh.

[Fencedude]

Oh, there's plenty left that can be done with Gundam, the question is, is Sunrise and Bandai willing to divert from the formula to do so...

[Nakuru Akizuki]

I'd like to see a Gundam series taken seriously by Sunrise. The problem with that is that Gundam tends to be the epitome of making a show to sell toys, so there's no way we'd realistically see a Gundam series with a good meaty story (though Gundam Wing and Gundam Seed, to a lesser extent, made a good show of it), directed and written by people who aren't morons (can you imagine Goro Taniguchi doing Gundam? /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif), animated by Sunrise's A-team instead of the oddly deficient computer-shortcut-happy B-team, and written to be something that isn't merely a bunch of teenagers running blindly through a rehash of old ideas and elements (which isn't inherently bad, but it wears on you after a while; I guess they can't really help it, though, since people react badly to change). I think it's why I liked Zone of the Enders so much; it was like Gundam, but different in enough ways to make it extremely enjoyable. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif It didn't really attempt to tackle any grand themes, but to be fair, none of Tomino's Gundam series ever did a very good job of that either since, despite his best intentions, he's just not a very good writer or director. /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

[NeoEra]

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Wrath of the Njr said:
Do you think the Gundam story well has run dry after Destiny?

After the UC, Wing & Seed + offbeat series, is there anything else original left to do?

Do you think Gundam in all forms should be retired honourably now (apart from movies/compilations), or kept going as the archetype mecha series no matter what?

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Bandai & Sunrise don't have the incentive to retire Gundam or even do something all that different with it. Whenever they try to put a strong original spin on it, even if a small group of hardcore fans eventually turns out to like what was done, Gundam doesn't rake in as much.

Accepting that reality, there's still a million different ways to tell a story about giant robots used for warfare. For past examples, see 0080 or 08th MS Team. They take place during the One Year War, which is revisited all the time, but they have plots less cliched than some of the alternate universe entries. Take some familiar Gundam trappings and put something together that isn't about a kid learning to be the pilot of a giant robot and going through the trials & tribulations of battle with a ship and its crew. I think any fan with half an imagination could put together a premise that would fit the bill.

There's a largely unexplored middle ground between doing something so different that it'd alienate the fanbase and doing something so formulaic, there's no point in watching it because you've seen it all before.

[Mazinkaizer]

While it seems that the new trend for Gundam shows would be AU like Seed, and Destiny. I surly would love few more UC Gundam shows especially Cross Bone !! /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

Another Compilation for ZZ or so wouldn't be a bad idea as well as long as they are handeld they way the Zeta ones were handeld or better (excluding the major seiyuu changes).

[Njr Scrawl]

Only UC story left to tell is what happened to Char between ZG ep.50 & the Counter Attack movie, where he has turned from being a level headed tactician & soldier into a charismatic but screwloose loli-loving disciple of his father. CCA is the most disappointing UC story of all - also Quess & Hathaway are worse than Sarah & Katz in ZG.

Char is not in ZZ's story at all, unless<span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>he's lost his memory, that blond artist in the desert arc looks a lot like him, &amp; packs a mean punch</span>. Layla says Char's not been detected by other Newtypes anywhere.

[Leon_Belmont]

Eh, I think the art direction and action in SEED and DESTINY are good enough to keep anyone interested, they just need some better writers. It's been getting progressively worse.

[GetterBeam]

Not until after they come crawling back to the man behind G Gundam and let him make that Gundam Ninja anime he was talking about in the R1 DVD interview extras transcript.

[Falcon_73]

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Wrath of the Njr said:
Only UC story left to tell is what happened to Char between ZG ep.50 &amp; the Counter Attack movie, where he has turned from being a level headed tactician &amp; soldier into a charismatic but screwloose loli-loving disciple of his father. CCA is the most disappointing UC story of all - also Quess &amp; Hathaway are worse than Sarah &amp; Katz in ZG.

Char is not in ZZ's story at all, unless<span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>he's lost his memory, that blond artist in the desert arc looks a lot like him, &amp; packs a mean punch</span>. Layla says Char's not been detected by other Newtypes anywhere.

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Well, this greatly reduces my desire to see ZZ, if it doesn't address what happens to Char. I've also heard it's quite a deviation from Zeta Gundam, which I thought was great.

As for CCA, I didn't see it the same way. I was very pleased with the movie, except for <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>how quickly Quess was forgotten.</span> I liked Quess, but then I liked Sarah too. Char changed somewhat, but the way I see it, his ultimate goal (getting humans off the Earth) never really changed.

I think they could come up with plenty more to watch, but I am still quite far behind as it is. I have seen less than half of Gundam.

[samwise]

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Mazinkaizer said:
Another Compilation for ZZ or so wouldn't be a bad idea as well as long as they are handeld they way the Zeta ones were handeld or better (excluding the major seiyuu changes).

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I think the compilation Z trilogy ruled out that possibility.

Depending on which version of Z is considered canon, ZZ may no longer be.

[fantasydewdrop]

That'd be awesome if the Gundam makers made a parody Gundam series. They could take all these elements and poke fun at themselves. It could be hillarious.
It's settled; I want them to make P-Gundam Tail-Leaf 3054 Prophecy.
Wow. The sad part is that with the way some Japanese naming conventions are, that name doesn't look much like a parody.

I'm sure there's plenty of interesting things they could do that aren't the parody series idea. That Ninja Gundam series someone else mentioned sounds interesting.

[Vicserr]

Well as I consider Gundam and to a lesser extend Macross are the crutches of the Mecha genre, we haven't seen a meyor non Gundam, non Macross mecha work since the heyday of the 80's, the Giant Robot genre has have a ressurgence with Revival works like MazinKaiser and New Getter Robo or with derivative works like GoDannar and Gravion(and yes I differenciate between Mecha and Giant Robot shows).

I don't consider Gundam as a property at the end of it's road, but it has basically taken the wind out of the sails of anything else mecha related, hoping Tomino's Wings of Lean does good

[Panon]

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Wrath of the Njr said:
Do you think the Gundam story well has run dry after Destiny?

After the UC, Wing &amp; Seed + offbeat series, is there anything else original left to do?

Do you think Gundam in all forms should be retired honourably now (apart from movies/compilations), or kept going as the archetype mecha series no matter what?

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Gundam for all intents and purposes 'ended' in 1988, and yet here we are 18 years later and it's still going on strong.

In a word: No

The well has not run dry. What's to be kept in mind is that the current flagship of the Gundam franchise is not being made for the originals fans or for older people, it's for an entirely new generation and it's merely gravy if some of us older people like it.

It won't and nor should it end any time soon.

[Njr Scrawl]

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Samuel said:
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Mazinkaizer said:
Another Compilation for ZZ or so wouldn't be a bad idea as well as long as they are handeld they way the Zeta ones were handeld or better (excluding the major seiyuu changes).

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I think the compilation Z trilogy ruled out that possibility.

Depending on which version of Z is considered canon, ZZ may no longer be.

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Do the Z movies have a different ending? Has the final movie be shown yet?

[golthin]

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Panon said:
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Wrath of the Njr said:
Do you think the Gundam story well has run dry after Destiny?

After the UC, Wing &amp; Seed + offbeat series, is there anything else original left to do?

Do you think Gundam in all forms should be retired honourably now (apart from movies/compilations), or kept going as the archetype mecha series no matter what?

[/ QUOTE ]

Gundam for all intents and purposes 'ended' in 1988, and yet here we are 18 years later and it's still going on strong.

In a word: No

The well has not run dry. What's to be kept in mind is that the current flagship of the Gundam franchise is not being made for the originals fans or for older people, it's for an entirely new generation and it's merely gravy if some of us older people like it.

It won't and nor should it end any time soon.

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As long as it make money, they will keep making it.

[samwise]

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Wrath of the Njr said:
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Samuel said:
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Mazinkaizer said:
Another Compilation for ZZ or so wouldn't be a bad idea as well as long as they are handeld they way the Zeta ones were handeld or better (excluding the major seiyuu changes).

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I think the compilation Z trilogy ruled out that possibility.

Depending on which version of Z is considered canon, ZZ may no longer be.

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Do the Z movies have a different ending? Has the final movie be shown yet?

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I've only vaguely remember hearing about this second hand (on these forums, I believe), and I don't even know the release dates of the movies. It seems to me <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'> the Axis Zeon are in some way forced to retreat at the end of third movie. </span>

[joelgundam01]

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Fencedude said:
Oh, there's plenty left that can be done with Gundam, the question is, is Sunrise and Bandai willing to divert from the formula to do so...

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I agree!

[evilarrex]

Gundam is still missing Yuri..... /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif

[Fencedude]

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Arrex said:
Gundam is still missing Yuri..... /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif

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Funny you should mention that, I actually have a concept for a Gundam series that features a Shoujo-ai relationship as the primary relationship in the series.

I'll try to remember to post more about this later today.

[Drakonis]

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KasiTL said:
That'd be awesome if the Gundam makers made a parody Gundam series. They could take all these elements and poke fun at themselves. It could be hillarious.

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They did. SD Gundam. Don't know if it'll ever be released here though. The show is like the biggest injoke in the world. Downright hilarious for hardcore fans. Extremely confusing for others. Super deformed characters and mobile suits from all the different series placed together into unusual situations. Character quirks and inane/obscure gundam lore comprise the basis for alot of the humor.

[TuxedoFred]

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Wrath of the Njr said:
Do you think the Gundam story well has run dry after Destiny?

After the UC, Wing &amp; Seed + offbeat series, is there anything else original left to do?

Do you think Gundam in all forms should be retired honourably now (apart from movies/compilations), or kept going as the archetype mecha series no matter what?

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There's always one last concept: A free for all tournament featuring all the best Gundams from every series, battling it out each week with the outcome determined from reality show style viewer voting. It would be even more awesome if they could do it live, but I guess that would be hell on the animators.

[Fort Max]

Half of the things people are asking for have been done, it's just not under the all encompassing Gundam banner.
Nadesico was a great parody of Gundam and Eureka Seven was a very worthy contender for the "new Gundam".

[evilarrex]

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Arrex said:
Gundam is still missing Yuri..... /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif

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Funny you should mention that, I actually have a concept for a Gundam series that features a Shoujo-ai relationship as the primary relationship in the series.

I'll try to remember to post more about this later today.

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With a decent story - I can't see how a Gundam Y(uri) A(i) Could be a bad thing /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

[Njr Scrawl]

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Arrex said:
Gundam is still missing Yuri..... /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif

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I always thought that there was a little implied in Zeta. Hamann &amp; Sarah (in the earlier episodes). Emma &amp; Reccoa. Probably my over-active imagination.

[Mazinkaizer]

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Wrath of the Njr said:
Only UC story left to tell is what happened to Char between ZG ep.50 &amp; the Counter Attack movie, where he has turned from being a level headed tactician &amp; soldier into a charismatic but screwloose loli-loving disciple of his father. CCA is the most disappointing UC story of all - also Quess &amp; Hathaway are worse than Sarah &amp; Katz in ZG.

Char is not in ZZ's story at all, unless<span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>he's lost his memory, that blond artist in the desert arc looks a lot like him, &amp; packs a mean punch</span>. Layla says Char's not been detected by other Newtypes anywhere.

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For me CCA is good but not as the original 0079, Zeta. Victory and F-91 are also far superior to CCA IMHO. I do agree that Quess &amp; Hathaway are worse than Sarah &amp; Katz to (especially Hathaway) to the point that i hated Nozumi Sasaki's works for quite sometime until i started watching Yuyu Hakusho few days ago. Where i started to recover from the the after Hathaway shock /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

[mighty_vespa]

If Sunrise and Bandai really want to take a bold move, how about a Gundam series with a central, FEMALE lead?

No. Not D-cup, window-dressing or some supporting character voiced by the "Seiyuu Flavor of the Month". No. A female lead. Her story, her trials and tribulations, if you will. Ditz, bubblehead and lolita-free too, while were at it. And I don't want to see a gender-swapped Amuro Ray either. That'd be damn lazy. Yes. I've read the yuri suggestions up-thread. But that's not what I'm getting at here.

Just give me my damn Nausicaä Gundam already! /images/graemlins/devil.gif

[treatment]

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mighty_vespa said:
If Sunrise and Bandai really want to take a bold move, how about a Gundam series with a central, FEMALE lead?

No. Not D-cup, window-dressing or some supporting character voiced by the "Seiyuu Flavor of the Month". No. A female lead. Her story, her trials and tribulations, if you will. Ditz, bubblehead and lolita-free too, while were at it. And I don't want to see a gender-swapped Amuro Ray either. That'd be damn lazy. Yes. I've read the yuri suggestions up-thread. But that's not what I'm getting at here.



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Don't Chris MacKenzie of Gundam-0080 count as a central female lead? She was the pilot of Gundam Alex, afterall. /images/graemlins/relief.gif

[Vicserr]

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treatment said:
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mighty_vespa said:
If Sunrise and Bandai really want to take a bold move, how about a Gundam series with a central, FEMALE lead?

No. Not D-cup, window-dressing or some supporting character voiced by the "Seiyuu Flavor of the Month". No. A female lead. Her story, her trials and tribulations, if you will. Ditz, bubblehead and lolita-free too, while were at it. And I don't want to see a gender-swapped Amuro Ray either. That'd be damn lazy. Yes. I've read the yuri suggestions up-thread. But that's not what I'm getting at here.



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Don't Chris MacKenzie of Gundam-0080 count as a central female lead? She was the pilot of Gundam Alex, afterall. /images/graemlins/relief.gif

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And the female mech pilot squad from V Gundam... /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif

[Leon_Belmont]

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Mazinkaizer said:
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Wrath of the Njr said:
Only UC story left to tell is what happened to Char between ZG ep.50 &amp; the Counter Attack movie, where he has turned from being a level headed tactician &amp; soldier into a charismatic but screwloose loli-loving disciple of his father. CCA is the most disappointing UC story of all - also Quess &amp; Hathaway are worse than Sarah &amp; Katz in ZG.

Char is not in ZZ's story at all, unless<span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>he's lost his memory, that blond artist in the desert arc looks a lot like him, &amp; packs a mean punch</span>. Layla says Char's not been detected by other Newtypes anywhere.

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For me CCA is good but not as the original 0079, Zeta. Victory and F-91 are also far superior to CCA IMHO. I do agree that Quess &amp; Hathaway are worse than Sarah &amp; Katz to (especially Hathaway) to the point that i hated Nozumi Sasaki's works for quite sometime until i started watching Yuyu Hakusho few days ago. Where i started to recover from the the after Hathaway shock /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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For me they weren't quite as bad thanks to them being in movie form, and thus me not having to deal with them that long. That pair from Zeta annoyed me to no end. Made it really tough for me to think of Zeta as highly as those who swear by UC. In the end, I think all the Gundam series have their ups and downs.

[Fencedude]

On the subject of new ideas for Gundam, I actually have the beginnings of a fanfic of a completely new departure for a Gundam Series, I call it Galactic Era Gundam AEtherian. I have about 10,000 words written in it (though I doubt I'll write more anytime soon), and its a significant departure for a Gundam Series.

First, a brief cast list:

Misao Kobayashi (Voiced by Ayako Kawasumi)
Age: 17
Height: 188cm
Hair: Black
Eyes: Black

Daughter of Johan Kobayashi, creator of the Gundam for the Resistance, becomes the pilot of the RGX-979-A Gundam

Ai (Voiced by Yuuka Nanri)
Age: n/a
Height: n/a
Hair: White
Eyes: Black

An advanced AI created by Misao's father as the control program for the Gundam. Currently housed in a Navy Blue Haro. Uses the appearance of a pale 12 year old girl when appearing on a viewscreen.

Yashina Ookawa (voiced by Rie Tanaka)
Age: 21
Height: 160 cm
Hair: Midnight Blue
Eyes: Red

Captain of the Solar Federation Ship Eternal, Assigned the mission of capturing the Gundam. Pilots a customized fighter named "Midngiht Flash"

Faith (Voiced by Mizuki Nana)
Age: 18
Height: 161 cm
Hair: Blonde
Eyes: Blue

Yashina's personal steward, best friend, confidant and lover, a geneticall engineered clone designed to be totally loyal to her owner.

And here, if anyone cares, is what I have written of Galactic Era Gundam AEtherian (http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/fencedude/Gundam_Aetherian.htm)

(Forgive the probable grammar errors and other problems, I've never had this systematically proofread)

Oh, one more thing. I wrote this before My~Otome began airing, while I was working on it, the design for one "Tomoe Margurite" a character played by Rie Tanaka, was revealed. I realized that with some color changes, she was a very good concept for what I wanted Yashina to look like. A friend of mine took an image of her and altered it to fit Yashina's appearance. (and it turns out that Yashina and Tomoe have more than a bit in common personality wise...)

Yashina Ookawa (http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/fencedude/Yashina.jpg)

[mighty_vespa]

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treatment said:
Don't Chris MacKenzie of Gundam-0080 count as a central female lead? She was the pilot of Gundam Alex, afterall. /images/graemlins/relief.gif

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Um, not really.

War in the Pocket's story was mostly told from Alfred's POV. Not Chris'. Don't get me wrong, I was happy that Chris was the main Gundam pilot. But her POV wasn't the one pushing the story along. It was Alfred's. The story was seen through his eyes. That's not the same as what I'm suggesting.

I thought the Nausicaä shout-out would give people an idea of what I'm getting at.

[evilarrex]

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Fencedude said:
And here, if anyone cares, is what I have written of Galactic Era Gundam AEtherian (http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/fencedude/Gundam_Aetherian.htm)

(Forgive the probable grammar errors and other problems, I've never had this systematically proofread)


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I read some of it. Will read teh rest later.
You are a bad bad man. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif I approve!
You sure you don't want to go for the "H" rating?

[Fencedude]

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Fencedude said:
And here, if anyone cares, is what I have written of Galactic Era Gundam AEtherian (http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/fencedude/Gundam_Aetherian.htm)

(Forgive the probable grammar errors and other problems, I've never had this systematically proofread)


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I read some of it. Will read teh rest later.
You are a bad bad man. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif I approve!
You sure you don't want to go for the "H" rating?

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Have you gotten to the part where Faith shows up?

*cough*

[evilarrex]

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Fencedude said:
Have you gotten to the part where Faith shows up?

*cough*

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You know a TV broadcast would just water it down. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

[Fencedude]

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Arrex said:
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Fencedude said:
Have you gotten to the part where Faith shows up?

*cough*

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You know a TV broadcast would just water it down. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Not if it was on BS-i!

[Njr Scrawl]

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mighty_vespa said:
If Sunrise and Bandai really want to take a bold move, how about a Gundam series with a central, FEMALE lead?

No. Not D-cup, window-dressing or some supporting character voiced by the "Seiyuu Flavor of the Month". No. A female lead. Her story, her trials and tribulations, if you will. Ditz, bubblehead and lolita-free too, while were at it. And I don't want to see a gender-swapped Amuro Ray either. That'd be damn lazy. Yes. I've read the yuri suggestions up-thread. But that's not what I'm getting at here.

Just give me my damn Nausicaä Gundam already! /images/graemlins/devil.gif

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"Sekai no Gundam" maybe? "Gundam Express 911"?

Gundam series have good female pilots, but Tomino uses them as cannon fodder to add emotional impact to his otherwise sterile series when they are killed, or displaced girl-next-door homemakers/family women (who usually survive).

[Fencedude]

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Wrath of the Njr said:
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mighty_vespa said:
If Sunrise and Bandai really want to take a bold move, how about a Gundam series with a central, FEMALE lead?

No. Not D-cup, window-dressing or some supporting character voiced by the "Seiyuu Flavor of the Month". No. A female lead. Her story, her trials and tribulations, if you will. Ditz, bubblehead and lolita-free too, while were at it. And I don't want to see a gender-swapped Amuro Ray either. That'd be damn lazy. Yes. I've read the yuri suggestions up-thread. But that's not what I'm getting at here.

Just give me my damn Nausicaä Gundam already! /images/graemlins/devil.gif

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"Sekai no Gundam" maybe? "Gundam Express 911"?

Gundam series have good female pilots, but Tomino uses them as cannon fodder to add emotional impact to his otherwise sterile series when they are killed, or displaced girl-next-door homemakers/family women (who usually survive).

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I agree entirely.

(obviously...)

[Nakuru Akizuki]

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Samuel said:
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Mazinkaizer said:
Another Compilation for ZZ or so wouldn't be a bad idea as well as long as they are handeld they way the Zeta ones were handeld or better (excluding the major seiyuu changes).

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I think the compilation Z trilogy ruled out that possibility.

Depending on which version of Z is considered canon, ZZ may no longer be.

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Do the Z movies have a different ending? Has the final movie be shown yet?

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Kamille <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>does not get his head messed with by Scirocco</span>. This is something a ZZ compilation could work around, though how successful that rewriting would be in the eyes of fans obviously depends on how significant each fan considers <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>Kamille's return to normalcy, as well as his encounters with Judeau and the resulting impact on Judeau's Newtype abilities,</span> to be.

Haman and Axis <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>leave the Earth Sphere</span>. This is obviously much harder to work around, since ZZ as it is almost entirely depends on them not doing that. How potential ZZ movies would be rewritten to account for this, I don't know. Mineva, however, <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>is dropped off at Side 3 before they leave</span>, which is very peculiar.

Since the Zeta compilations retcon ZZ out of existence, they could do one of thee things:

1) Make ZZ compilations based on the Zeta TV series and not the Zeta compilations, thus allowing for relatively easy compilations using TV footage and based directly off the TV story. This would be confusing, but Tomino likes rewriting things with little regard for anyone else, so it's a possibility.

2) Make ZZ compilations based on the Zeta compilations, and drastically rewrite the story. This would require more time and money than Sunrise and Bandai might want to commit, but it could be an excellent way for the original ZZ concept to be shown, with the events of the second half that were excised and modified into Char's Counterattack done as a more cohesive part of the story.

3) Don't make any ZZ compilations, and put that time, money, and manpower towards making an actual series or two.

[samwise]

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Nakuru Akizuki said:
Haman and Axis <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>leave the Earth Sphere</span>. This is obviously much harder to work around, since ZZ as it is almost entirely depends on them not doing that. How potential ZZ movies would be rewritten to account for this, I don't know. Mineva, however, <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>is dropped off at Side 3 before they leave</span>, which is very peculiar.


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How does that work with Char's Counterattack? <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'> What becomes of the Axis asteroid when they leave? </span>

What's the "official" core UC continuity at this point? Is it Gundam movies--&gt; Z and ZZ Gundam--&gt; CCA

or...

Gundam movies--&gt; Z Gundam movies--&gt; CCA

[Njr Scrawl]

Only Bright Noa AFAIR is in both ZZ &amp; CCA. ZZ is a spin-off story stemming from the Hamann Kahn &amp; Axis sub plot in Zeta.

Camille's "effect" on Judeau can easily be bypassed by Judeau's contact with the Zeta MS if you think about it /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Camille, Fa, Kobayashi, Hamann Kahn, Bright &amp; the Zeta MS itself are all in Z &amp; ZZ.

"Colony of Illusion" did suck, that was where <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>Rasara was killed</span> IIRC.

[johnmora]

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Do you think the Gundam story well has run dry after Destiny?

After the UC, Wing &amp; Seed + offbeat series, is there anything else original left to do?

Do you think Gundam in all forms should be retired honourably now (apart from movies/compilations), or kept going as the archetype mecha series no matter what?

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I think SEED proved there was nothing original left to do fairly well.

[lostnomad84]

Gundam will never die. However, the Seed timeline is definitely dead (unless if some brilliant writer comes up with something). The only direction I can see Gundam going after the current series planned are either a new alternative timeline or a new UC series.

The UC timeline has a lot of potential left in it and they should take advantage of that fact.

[Njr Scrawl]

Is there any potential left in the Wing universe? (Perhaps that's where an all-female group of pilots would fit best.)

[Vicserr]

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Wrath of the Njr said:
Is there any potential left in the Wing universe? (Perhaps that's where an all-female group of pilots would fit best.)

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Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz closes the door completely for Gundam Wing, not that a clever writer couldn't come up with something

[fantasydewdrop]

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Wrath of the Njr said:
Is there any potential left in the Wing universe? (Perhaps that's where an all-female group of pilots would fit best.)

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Eh, don't think so (unless it's a prequil), especially since the Last Outpost manga added to it, but I think they should try doing something similar to Wing again anyways since people seemed to like that one (the guy said he wanted to get more American fans, right? Since Wing did best here, something similar would be great). Wing with some female pilots would be good if they don't screw it up.

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However, the Seed timeline is definitely dead (unless if some brilliant writer comes up with something).

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How do you figure that?

The end of Destiny (Final Plus) leaves room for one more series, especially if you look at Seed and Destiny as <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>a giant power grab by Lacus.</span>

[joelgundam01]

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Vicserr said:
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Wrath of the Njr said:
Is there any potential left in the Wing universe? (Perhaps that's where an all-female group of pilots would fit best.)

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Gundam Wing: Endles Waltz closes the door completely for Gundam Wing, not that a clever writer couldn't come up with something

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Actually there is some manga based on the Gundam Wing time line. You got the side story Gundam: The Last Outpost, written by Tomino himself. Also, there's Gundam Wing Episode Zero (deleted scenes of the Wing series) and three filler graphic novels (Blind Target, Ground Zero, Battlefield of Pacifists) with the Gundam Wing cast.

[Vicserr]

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Vicserr said:
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Wrath of the Njr said:
Is there any potential left in the Wing universe? (Perhaps that's where an all-female group of pilots would fit best.)

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Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz closes the door completely for Gundam Wing, not that a clever writer couldn't come up with something

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Actually there is some manga based on the Gundam Wing time line. You got the side story Gundam: The Last Outpost, written by Tomino himself. Also, there's Gundam Wing Episode Zero (deleted scenes of the Wing series) and three filler graphic novels (Blind Target, Ground Zero, Battlefield of Pacifists) with the Gundam Wing cast.

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Yes but all are prequels or run concurrent with Gundam Wing, none of them are post Endless Waltz(to my knowledge)

[Vicserr]

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Fencedude said:
And here, if anyone cares, is what I have written of Galactic Era Gundam AEtherian (http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/fencedude/Gundam_Aetherian.htm)

(Forgive the probable grammar errors and other problems, I've never had this systematically proofread)


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I read some of it. Will read teh rest later.
You are a bad bad man. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif I approve!
You sure you don't want to go for the "H" rating?

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Have you gotten to the part where Faith shows up?

*cough*

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Interesting premise.... /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif

althought I'm curious how this female inspired Gundam Mecha would look (the only example we have of a "Female" Gundam is Nobel Gundam from Mobile Fighter G Gundam) /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif

[joelgundam01]

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Vicserr said:
Yes but all are prequels or run concurrent with Gundam Wing, none of them are post Endless Waltz(to my knowledge)

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The last chapter in Episode Zero (written by Katsuyuki Sumisawa) takes place after Endless Waltz, but the ending was left open-ended.

[Funkatron]

Bandai/Sunrise reps, are you listening??

My Hime/Otome with Gundams. Yeah, you heard me.

Mobile Child Hime/Otome Seed

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Vicserr said:


Interesting premise.... /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif

althought I'm curious how this female inspired Gundam Mecha would look (the only example we have of a "Female" Gundam is Nobel Gundam from Mobile Fighter G Gundam) /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif

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Best way I can describe it is it looks much more like the F91 or Victory Era Gundams than Gundams from earlier UC or most of the AU's.

Its sleaker, with more curves and fewer hard edges.

[Njr Scrawl]

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Its sleeker, with more curves and fewer hard edges.

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I forget if I mentioned this in the actual text, but it also has a highly nonstandard colorscheme for the "Hero" Gundam. It is primarily black and grey, with red highlights.

[Leon_Belmont]

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Funkatron said:
Bandai/Sunrise reps, are you listening??

My Hime/Otome with Gundams. Yeah, you heard me.

Mobile Child Hime/Otome Seed

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LOL. I want them to move to using adults, so I guess it's only natural someone would go straight to the females.

[big e]

I'd like to see a series that explains how all the other series exist in the same universe since that was implied in Turn a Gundam. I would also like to know what happened to Char in between Zeta Gundam and CCA that made him go crazy. Could Haman Karn's death in ZZ Gundam have something to do with it? And just where were Sayla, Judau, and Kamile during CCA?