Gundam ZZ - where to board?

[vanfanel]

Alrighty, I finished watching Zeta Gundam recently, and decided to go ahead and rent the first volume of Double Zeta the following week.

The show's reputation precedes it for me, but I was hoping it wouldn't be quite as bad as it indeed turned out to be (wacky hijinks...narcissistic bishie wannabe comparing his MS to a rose...Haman Kahn's awesomeness being diluted by the mere fact that he's working for her...(sigh)).

So anyway, I hear it gets better. Around what volume? And is there anything I need to know by that point that was buried in the mush that came before?

[Keith]

For me, the show finally changed around episodes 20-21.

[vanfanel]

Thanks; that's good to know!

[Njr Scrawl]

I like it all, but for 2 events. <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>Rasara getting killed needlessly &amp; Judeau joining AEUG at the end.</span>

The first part is fun because its lighter &amp; slightly self-parodying.

[Fort Max]

I think it drops the overdone comedy angle a little earlier then that. As I recall it starts to resemble the UC saga more closely after the episodes where a *ahem* jungle tribe living on a remote colony worship the ZZGD as a god... *sigh*

That was the absolute lowest point in the series for me, it was so bad that I stopped watching and it was almost two years later before someone wrote something much like this and convinced me to pick it up again.

[Tetsuro123]

Im' totallly confused about where to start with Gundam Seed. I saw some on Cartoon Network and loved it but which version, series is that?

[samwise]

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Tetsuro123 said:
Im' totallly confused about where to start with Gundam Seed. I saw some on Cartoon Network and loved it but which version, series is that?

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SEED is one of the alternate universes, and it has its own sequel (with a second in production). It does not require any prior knowlwdge of the Gundamverse. If you're looking to pick it up, it's a perfectly safe starting point.

[vanfanel]

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Fort Max said:
I think it drops the overdone comedy angle a little earlier then that. As I recall it starts to resemble the UC saga more closely after the episodes where a *ahem* jungle tribe living on a remote colony worship the ZZGD as a god... *sigh*


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Hee, hee! Sounds like I've hit UC Gundam's "Island Episodes", then, as it were /images/graemlins/happy.gif

[Thanatos]

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vanfanel said:
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Fort Max said:
I think it drops the overdone comedy angle a little earlier then that. As I recall it starts to resemble the UC saga more closely after the episodes where a *ahem* jungle tribe living on a remote colony worship the ZZGD as a god... *sigh*


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Hee, hee! Sounds like I've hit UC Gundam's "Island Episodes", then, as it were /images/graemlins/happy.gif

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Colony of Illusion is the worst Gundam anything. It makes G Savior look like a masterpiece.

[samwise]

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Thanatos said:
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vanfanel said:
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Fort Max said:
I think it drops the overdone comedy angle a little earlier then that. As I recall it starts to resemble the UC saga more closely after the episodes where a *ahem* jungle tribe living on a remote colony worship the ZZGD as a god... *sigh*


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Hee, hee! Sounds like I've hit UC Gundam's "Island Episodes", then, as it were /images/graemlins/happy.gif

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Colony of Illusion is the worst Gundam anything. It makes G Savior look like a masterpiece.

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Can the one episode be skipped? (Assuming we get the series over here, as I won't see it in any other way)

[Thanatos]

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Samuel said:
Colony of Illusion is the worst Gundam anything. It makes G Savior look like a masterpiece.

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Can the one episode be skipped? (Assuming we get the series over here, as I won't see it in any other way)

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All of Gundam ZZ 1-19 can be skipped. The two-part Colony of Illusion does introduce a character of some importance in the second half of the series.

Now come on. the colony was only a two-parter. How many episodes do they spend in that damned junkyard? Far far worse.

J

[Njr Scrawl]

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Jonathan Laidlow said:
Now come on. the colony was only a two-parter. How many episodes do they spend in that damned junkyard? Far far worse.

J

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I think you're missing the point, if you're referring to Shangri-La colony. Judeau &amp; his friends survive there from the salvage business of war debris. Judeau pays for his sister Reina's education &amp; looks after her using his share. The kids don't care whose side the salvage comes from, just that its potential income &amp; keeps them fed &amp; clothed. No high principles as Amauro &amp; Camille get stuck with.

This is their background, &amp; why Judeau has little respect for the military &amp; authority in general. He's a survivor living on his wits from the wreckage humankind creates fighting each other. As the series progresses, he gets angry at what he sees &amp; then when <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>Reina is kidnapped</span>, he becomes vengeful - but always a loner. Which is why his decision at the end is so odd IMO.

I'm not a Gundam UC purist, &amp; enjoy all ZZ as lighter relief after the holocaust of Zeta. Apart from the 2 instances in my earlier post.
Judeau (&amp; the guy in MS08th) are the best UC heroes IMO.

Not missing the point at all. Those who slag off that two-parter miss the point that the junkyard episodes drag on for far too long. Completely agree that around episode 18 or 19 it picks up a lot and feels like the sequel to Zeta. Dips again near the end, then pulls it all together for the finale.

J

[Thanatos]

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Jonathan Laidlow said:
Not missing the point at all. Those who slag off that two-parter miss the point that the junkyard episodes drag on for far too long. Completely agree that around episode 18 or 19 it picks up a lot and feels like the sequel to Zeta. Dips again near the end, then pulls it all together for the finale.

J

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I don't miss the point that the Junkyard episodes last too long; the whole first 19 episodes of Gundam ZZ is shit!