Zero no Tsukaima

[golthin]

I just watched the first episode of this show and I love the premise. I am fool for shows like this. this show is a combination of Negima and Harri potter.

The show is about Louise, who is a student at a magic school. She is called by her classmates as ZERO because she doesn't seem to be able to use magic without making things explode. <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>The day that all the students have to summon their familiars she is determine to get a great one. When she summons her Familiar, everyone is surprised when a human being appears.

She request to the instructor to allow her to summon another one, but she is told that she only can do it once and she need to complete the contract, which happens to be with a kiss, much like in negima. /images/graemlins/happy.gif After she kiss Saito, He starts glowing and faints. He awoke in Louise's room, she asked him his name and introduces herself, then she begging to explain things to him. While she is explaining, Saito tries to escape, but at the end he is catched and when he looked at the sky he realizes he is not in earth anymore as there are two moons in the sky.</span>

[wrex]

Good summary. Yeah, this show looks interesting to me because of the comedy aspect, character designs, and animation. It also seems to hint at a little magical battle action later. The show looks promising. Here are some screencaps (and spoiler summary) (http://wrexgrafix.com/anime/blog/?p=190) for those interested.

[Suwako Moriya]

Well at least you can say Saito gets a unique position for a human. Although given the circumstances I'm not sure if that's a good thing. The show sounds interesting, but hopefully they won't drag things out. I know it's mean to be a comedy in many regards, but I would like to see occasional progress. Especially since the opening hints at a change of gears.

[martod]

Harry Potter+fanservice+Mahoraba's art crew=a ton of potential /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif.

The general consensus among the bloggers seems to be that the show is too similar to Shana, but I haven't seen Shana, so I can judge this show on its own merits. I don't really see any big similarities to Negima, aside from the OV hinting that harem elements are on the way. There's definately a Harry Potter element though.

I love how Louise spends a whole scene in front of a boy in a see through negligee and doesn't get the slightest bit embarassed /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif.

[something]

I'm not sure why I expected a more serious how from some images I had seen before watching, but I enjoyed episodes one and two well enough. Saitou looks like he's got a bit more spine in him than I'd expect from the setup, and Louise is definitely cute. The animation is also rather decent much of the time, but nothing special per se.

As a whole it's hard to say a lot about this show after two episodes. I suppose I expect a pretty average series overall -- unless it can rise above its premise, which isn't inherently a bad one, but also nothing new/exiciting, yet. Being confined to 13 episodes will probably hurt it a little, since it seems like the kind of show that could fill 26 episodes easily enough with a lot of character interaction episodes. At 13 it'll probably have too little of that to really let the characters grow on me, so it'll have to make up for that in plot. We'll see if it has much there, since I have no idea what to expect.

[martod]

Am I the only one who's watching this show? I'm really enjoying it--The whole human familiar premise is clever, the art is beautiful, and I love the setting--they essentially are using the Harry Potter setting to tell a different story /images/graemlins/wink.gif.

[XenoSaber]

No, I'm watching, and yeah it has the whole Harry Potter meets Anime in a standard harem type. I mean Louise is Hermone with pink hair. It's kind of cute, with Negima around I can see why they didn't go with a Harry clone. It's been good so far but I hope the plot can keep it going.

[golthin]

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marko said:
Am I the only one who's watching this show? I'm really enjoying it--The whole human familiar premise is clever, the art is beautiful, and I love the setting--they essentially are using the Harry Potter setting to tell a different story /images/graemlins/wink.gif.

[/ QUOTE ]I am watching it too. But if you if you like the show just tripple your enjoyment of it if someone had actually followed the novels in the same manner that the Haruhi's novel were followed by kyoanimation. Everyone that has read the novels agree that JC is doing a bad job. The show is still fun even so.
I believe they are only going as far as volume two of the Novels, there are 8 volumes out. I can understand why they might not want to animate more, the rest of the novels deal with a lot of angst and romance during a war. /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

[something]

While I thougth the show was just average with decent characters at first, I've come to really enjoy it with these three episodes. Just watched episodes 3-5 and the interaction between Saito and Louise is getting better and better. I also find Kirche to be more interesting than I did at first, and Siesta is adorable. The other thing I greatly enjoyed was the relationship between the queen Henrietta and Louise.

At any rate, in my first post after episodes 1 and 2, I said this: "I suppose I expect a pretty average series overall -- unless it can rise above its premise, which isn't inherently a bad one, but also nothing new/exiciting, yet." I'm starting to feel that it is in fact rising above the very average nature of its beginning to become something significantly more enjoyable. No, it wont be earth shattering, or a top 10 title or anything like that (13 episodes isn't enough for a series like this to do so), but I do think I'm going to like it quite a bit more than I expected.

I liked the character designs from the start, but they've grown on my a lot more with these episodes. Louise has too, not that I ever disliked her of course. I'm also liking Saito quite a bit, which is a huge plus for a show like this, where you'd expect the male lead to be worthless at best, irritating as hell at worst. So thumbs up for that.

Fun cast, very cute designs with clean animation, good OP, and great character interaction puts this on the "to buy if licensed" list for sure, because I doubt it'll completely fall apart at this point.

[vtr9kvictor]

I too find Louise to be strangely compelling. I like that she doesn't seem to see Saito as a person at all going so far as to parade around nude in front of him and to repeatedly expect him to wash her clothes (including her underwear) apparently by hand (I ain't seen no washing machines in this anime - anyone else?)

I also seem to have a thing right now for pink haired chicks.

[Suwako Moriya]

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golthin said:
I believe they are only going as far as volume two of the Novels, there are 8 volumes out. I can understand why they might not want to animate more, the rest of the novels deal with a lot of angst and romance during a war. /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

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I hate it when this happens. They just have to decide to kill the anime version just when the story is apparently going to pick up and have the classic change of focus if I'm reading this correctly. It's like they have a severe hatred of anime versions and always want the novel to have the most material... Yes I'm probably being paranoid.

I do like the anime so far, but just like with other anime I like of this nature. It's depressing to hear the usual "Ha ha, we're going to cut out a lot of material from the novels and make this shorter than it should be to spite you all" from the staff involved. Which seems to be the case here.

[mike.motaku]

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golthin said:
I believe they are only going as far as volume two of the Novels, there are 8 volumes out. I can understand why they might not want to animate more, the rest of the novels deal with a lot of angst and romance during a war. /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

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I hate it when this happens. They just have to decide to kill the anime version just when the story is apparently going to pick up and have the classic change of focus if I'm reading this correctly. It's like they have a severe hatred of anime versions and always want the novel to have the most material... Yes I'm probably being paranoid.

I do like the anime so far, but just like with other anime I like of this nature. It's depressing to hear the usual "Ha ha, we're going to cut out a lot of material from the novels and make this shorter than it should be to spite you all" from the staff involved. Which seems to be the case here.

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If actual "spite" were involved I don't think they would have even bothered animating any of the novels. It is probably a simple case of economics, where they have "x" amount of money to make "x" number of episodes and if it proves popular enough to invest more money in to producing more episodes, they will. How old are the novels anyway? I remember back in the day (okay, the 90s) when studios would whip out an OVA to promote a manga or toy line and never do anything else with it. I would think the chances of getting more animated might be greater if this were an older property they are trying to develop into a Potter-esque franchise than if this were some new and untried series. But that's just me.

Anyway. I'm enjoying what I've seen so far with the hints of darkness on the horizon:<span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>with Louise's blasts being strong enough to break the seal on the treasure room when Fouquet's golem and higher magical rating couldn't, and why did Fouquet steal the Staff of Destruction and who is she working for? And who is trying to make the Queen look bad? And what's up with Saito's rune? </span>

I tell ya'. This and Inukami are my favorites right now of the lighter fantasy anime.

[Suwako Moriya]

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mike.motaku said:
If actual "spite" were involved I don't think they would have even bothered animating any of the novels. It is probably a simple case of economics, where they have "x" amount of money to make "x" number of episodes and if it proves popular enough to invest more money in to producing more episodes, they will.

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While granted you're probably right, I still can't help but feel bitter about this whole situation myself. All I can do is hope for the best. In short that we'll get more episodes and that the anime will only improve and not worsen.

[golthin]

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mike.motaku said:
Anyway. I'm enjoying what I've seen so far with the hints of darkness on the horizon:<span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>with Louise's blasts being strong enough to break the seal on the treasure room when Fouquet's golem and higher magical rating couldn't, and why did Fouquet steal the Staff of Destruction and who is she working for? And who is trying to make the Queen look bad? And what's up with Saito's rune? </span>

I tell ya'. This and Inukami are my favorites right now of the lighter fantasy anime.

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Spoiler for episode 6 and some Zero no Tsukaima world history from the novels.
<span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'> Fouquet stole the staff because she is bitter, she was a noble once but lost her position for some reason and became a commoner. There are spies from the kingdom of Albion (england), tristain is FRance and Germania where Kirche comes from is Germany. This world is similar to 13-14 century europe. Saito runes allow him to skillfuly use ANY type of WEAPON regardless of its origin.</span>
I agree that Inukami and Zero no Tsukaima are great shows.
In the case of Inukami that is also based on a series of novels, I am glad the series was scheduled for 20+ episodes.

[something]

Christ man, you're getting really bad with the future manga/novel spoilers for all sorts of shows. If you're going to respond to discussion about current episodes with spoilers for things not even animated yet, mark it as such outside the spoiler tags, if you really can't help yourself. Your tags didn't do a damn bit of good there, and I'm glad I stopped reading after the first sentence.

Not every bit of speculation is an invitation for you to swoop in and tell us what happens two novels ahead, spoiler tags or not. It's a really annoying habit of yours. I think I'm just going to stop reading spoiler tagged text from you entirely, even if the topic at hand is for known events, because too often you go way ahead of that.

[golthin]

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disarm said:
Christ man, you're getting really bad with the future manga/novel spoilers for all sorts of shows. If you're going to respond to discussion about current episodes with spoilers for things not even animated yet, mark it as such outside the spoiler tags, if you really can't help yourself. Your tags didn't do a damn bit of good there, and I'm glad I stopped reading after the first sentence.

Not every bit of speculation is an invitation for you to swoop in and tell us what happens two novels ahead, spoiler tags or not. It's a really annoying habit of yours. I think I'm just going to stop reading spoiler tagged text from you entirely, even if the topic at hand is for known events, because too often you go way ahead of that.

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I marked it now, but what was in the tags is nothing that actually spoils the story from that anime or the novels. What exactly did I spoil for you? I didn't tell you who fouquet is, It is obvious what Saito runes do if you have watched till episode 5, Only thing I might have spoiled is who is trying to make Henrrietta look bad. I doubt you haven't figuered out what the kingdoms are after watching 5 episodes. Maybe I spoiled the era that the events are taking place compared to our history. Anyway, I marked the spoilers, sorry I spoiled something for you.
I just forgot to put a warning as I was getting ready to watch episode 19 of Utawarerumono.

[mike.motaku]

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golthin said:
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mike.motaku said:
Anyway. I'm enjoying what I've seen so far with the hints of darkness on the horizon:<span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>with Louise's blasts being strong enough to break the seal on the treasure room when Fouquet's golem and higher magical rating couldn't, and why did Fouquet steal the Staff of Destruction and who is she working for? And who is trying to make the Queen look bad? And what's up with Saito's rune? </span>

I tell ya'. This and Inukami are my favorites right now of the lighter fantasy anime.

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Spoiler for episode 6 and some Zero no Tsukaima world history from the novels.
<span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'> Fouquet stole the staff because she is bitter, she was a noble once but lost her position for some reason and became a commoner. There are spies from the kingdom of Albion (england), tristain is FRance and Germania where Kirche comes from is Germany. This world is similar to 13-14 century europe. Saito runes allow him to skillfuly use ANY type of WEAPON regardless of its origin.</span>
I agree that Inukami and Zero no Tsukaima are great shows.
In the case of Inukami that is also based on a series of novels, I am glad the series was scheduled for 20+ episodes.

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Actually, as far as Saito's runes go, I'm more looking for why they don't work every time he has a weapon to hand. But still a fun show and I don't usually care for full out fantasy.

[martod]

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XenoSaber said:
I mean Louise is Hermone with pink hair.

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Louise doesn't have many similarities with Hermione aside from the fact that they're the lead females in their series. They're actually opposites in some ways, such as that Hermione isn't popular because she's an overachiever and Louise isn't popular because she's an underachiever.

[XenoSaber]

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XenoSaber said:
I mean Louise is Hermone with pink hair.

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Louise doesn't have many similarities with Hermione aside from the fact that they're the lead females in their series. They're actually opposites in some ways, such as that Hermione isn't popular because she's an overachiever and Louise isn't popular because she's an underachiever.

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I just meant to say that was the angle they were playing. I didn't really mean it literaly in all aspects. Just like Harry and Negi.

[golthin]

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XenoSaber said:
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marko said:
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XenoSaber said:
I mean Louise is Hermone with pink hair.

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Louise doesn't have many similarities with Hermione aside from the fact that they're the lead females in their series. They're actually opposites in some ways, such as that Hermione isn't popular because she's an overachiever and Louise isn't popular because she's an underachiever.

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I just meant to say that was the angle they were playing. I didn't really mean it literaly in all aspects. Just like Harry and Negi.

[/ QUOTE ]You are not wrong, I had the same feel for the series when It started.

[something]

Woo! This show just keeps getting better, and surprising me every week. After the first couple episodes I never expected there to be such quality behind it, but with 3-6 there definitely has been. The dynamic between Louise and Saito just gets better and better as well. The scene in the ballroom while they danced was a great little bit of development for Louise, even if it follows some standard forms. It's all about execution though, and ZnT did it all quite nicely. Both Louise and Saito are vastly enjoyable characters, and their interaction is top notch. I even like Kirche, despite the fact that slutty horny chicks like her tend to be annoying. She avoids that. Tabitha is very much a stereotype, but even there the show handles her character rather well.

Still, sort of surprised that Fouquet/Longueville is in jail already... I assumed she would be a sort of arch villian for the whole series. Then again, there's nothing to say she can't escape (I'm sure she will, actually) and cause more trouble.

The Staff of Destruction being a rocket launcher was a great twist, as was Fouquet unsuccessfully trying to refire a one-shot weapon /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

[Jadawin]

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disarm said:
Woo! This show just keeps getting better, and surprising me every week. After the first couple episodes I never expected there to be such quality behind it, but with 3-6 there definitely has been. The dynamic between Louise and Saito just gets better and better as well. The scene in the ballroom while they danced was a great little bit of development for Louise, even if it follows some standard forms. It's all about execution though, and ZnT did it all quite nicely. Both Louise and Saito are vastly enjoyable characters, and their interaction is top notch.

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Yes the ballroom scene was surprisingly cute. I didnt expect her to behave like that at all. Acting all shy.

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Still, sort of surprised that Fouquet/Longueville is in jail already... I assumed she would be a sort of arch villian for the whole series. Then again, there's nothing to say she can't escape (I'm sure she will, actually) and cause more trouble.

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Exactly. I am expecting her to escape and team up with some other (true) villain for the final. Its good that they didnt drag the real identity behind the thief for too long.

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The Staff of Destruction being a rocket launcher was a great twist, as was Fouquet unsuccessfully trying to refire a one-shot weapon /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

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And it was cute to see Louise trying to use it like some kind of magical wand. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

[mike.motaku]

So... Who is bringing artillery and people over from Saito's world? Are they pulling people out of time or just across dimensions? How long have they been doing it and to what end? What's the history of Saito's runes and why did Osman react so strongly to them? And just how strong is Louise? Loving this so far. It has a lot of potential to go to some really interesting areas, story-wise.

[something]

Good lawd that was some awesomeness. This is quickly becoming one of the better shows of the past few seasons, though sadly at 13 episodes it is going to be far too short ;_;

As before, the Saito/Louise dynamic is perfect, and Louise may be "washboard girl", but she wears those outfits well... especially the special enchanted black outfit. Wow~ Tres bien (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/disarm10/zntlouise023cap.jpg) indeed, Saitou. Tres. Bien.

In any case, Louise was adorable in all her jealous haughty rich girl glory, and pulled off an awesome scene at the end when she put that tax collector in his place =P Jessica (who may or may not be heard from again) was damn attractive too, and I love any scene where Louise is forced to drag Saitou (who is, apparently, a huge pimp XD) away from random sexy women who for some reason want to "teach" him all sorts of things.

I also love the way Louise interacts with the Princess. The eagerness, loyalty and obviously immense admiration she displays towards the princess really gets at another side of her, one which is far more emotionally open than her usual attitude.

Saitou is just a fantastic male lead. How many guys in anime will just grab a princess and make out with her? XD He also knows when to step in and get things done (even if he fails /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif) and really knows how to deal with Louise when necessary. A great, great partner for Louise to work off of.

And it certainly didn't take long for Fouquet to get out of jail /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif Though I suppose with only six episodes left (sob, cry, anger) they don't have time to waste if they want to get any sort of conflict going.

In any case, I just know I'll be dying for a second season of this. The cast is stellar, and most importantly, the chemistry is spot on, as is the voice acting (particularly Louise). This is the sort of show where a competent story is just a bonus. I'd gladly watch 26 or 52 episodes of their adventures, even if in a largely episodic setting. 13 is just a damn tease =(

Whatever though, everyone should be watching this. And I feel like it has a half decent shot at an R1 license as well, for some reason, Let's hope I'm right.

[golthin]

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disarm said: I'd gladly watch 26 or 52 episodes of their adventures, even if in a largely episodic setting. 13 is just a damn tease =(

Whatever though, everyone should be watching this. And I feel like it has a half decent shot at an R1 license as well, for some reason, Let's hope I'm right.

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I know you hate when I mention manga or novels, but you think Saito is cool now, you can't imagine how cool he is at the end of Volume 7 of the novels. Saito is the coolest Hero ever in my book. It is a pitty the anime only goes as far as volume 3 of the novels leaving 6 volumes untouch of material. Hopefully there is a seacond season because this show seems to be very popular. Specially with the gorgous females like Siesta,Louise, henrietta, and Kirch to just mention a few. Like Haruhi, there is a project out there to translate the novels.

[vtr9kvictor]

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golthin said:
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disarm said: I'd gladly watch 26 or 52 episodes of their adventures, even if in a largely episodic setting. 13 is just a damn tease =(

Whatever though, everyone should be watching this. And I feel like it has a half decent shot at an R1 license as well, for some reason, Let's hope I'm right.

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I know you hate when I mention manga or novels, but you think Saito is cool now, you can't imagine how cool he is at the end of Volume 7 of the novels. Saito is the coolest Hero ever in my book. It is a pitty the anime only goes as far as volume 3 of the novels leaving 6 volumes untouch of material. Hopefully there is a seacond season because this show seems to be very popular. Specially with the gorgous females like Siesta,Louise, henrietta, and Kirch to just mention a few. Like Haruhi, there is a project out there to translate the novels.

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I'd pay ACTUAL MONEY to read those. Its a damn shame more novels like this (and Slayers and Haruhi) aren't getting translated. But then, maybe they will be soon. Ahhh, one can only hope.

Also, Dear Gawd!!! Someone license and release the Hoi Hoi-San manga!

[martod]

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disarm said:
Whatever though, everyone should be watching this. And I feel like it has a half decent shot at an R1 license as well, for some reason, Let's hope I'm right.

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I think it has a better than average shot at an R1 license too, if only because it can be marketted as a lot of different genre's-comedy, action-fantasy, fanservice, etc.

[TheGreenMan]

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Harry Potter+fanservice+Mahoraba's art crew=a ton of potential /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif.

The general consensus among the bloggers seems to be that the show is too similar to Shana, but I haven't seen Shana, so I can judge this show on its own merits. I don't really see any big similarities to Negima, aside from the OV hinting that harem elements are on the way. There's definately a Harry Potter element though.

I love how Louise spends a whole scene in front of a boy in a see through negligee and doesn't get the slightest bit embarassed /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif.

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Like Shana? Just because the two seriyuu are the same for the two leads? The show looks more Harry Potter meets Mahoraba (Someone said that the art crew is the same). I'll give it a watch. I imagine this'll be licensed due to it's similarities to Potter/Negima.

[vtr9kvictor]

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marko said:
Harry Potter+fanservice+Mahoraba's art crew=a ton of potential /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif.

The general consensus among the bloggers seems to be that the show is too similar to Shana, but I haven't seen Shana, so I can judge this show on its own merits. I don't really see any big similarities to Negima, aside from the OV hinting that harem elements are on the way. There's definately a Harry Potter element though.

I love how Louise spends a whole scene in front of a boy in a see through negligee and doesn't get the slightest bit embarassed /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif.

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Like Shana? Just because the two seriyuu are the same for the two leads? The show looks more Harry Potter meets Mahoraba (Someone said that the art crew is the same). I'll give it a watch. I imagine this'll be licensed due to it's similarities to Potter/Negima.

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I don't know if saying this series is similar to Harry Potter is entirely accurate. For one thing, Harry has a reputation for breaking The Rules, Louise does not. I think the only similarities are that Louise uses magic (very, very badly) and attends a school for it. To me the series has more in common with Love Hina, in that the male lead and romantic interest is constantly being physically abused by the female lead who is excessively jealous about any encounters he has with other females no matter how casual. Saito also seems to be building quite a harem of female admirers.

[icelander]

After watching Episode 8, I have to ask:
<span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>Did anyone else find the substory of Tabitha/Kirche's trip to Tabitha's home then the revealing of Tabitha's past incredibly slow paced? I mean, I'm sure it's going to be an important story point, but they certainly took there time making any point at all. I was nearly nodding off as we continued to watch their wagon bump along, while Tabitha ignored Kirche.

Maybe I was just in the mood for something lighter, as I found myself laughing along to the gags that ensued from Saito's outdoor bath experiment.

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Summary and pictures (spoilers!) here: ZnT 08 Summary (http://blog.jamesmason.id.au/wordpress/?p=23)

[Jadawin]

Hahaha, the Louise/Saito part was hilarious! /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif And the Siesta fanservice was great. /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif I am surprised by the amount of fanservice in this show. Its good to see that Saito doesnt act like a certain Love Hina character.

And no, I didnt find the other story to be too slow paced. It'll probably be over in the next ep. and that way we learned some more about the side characters. But I am surprised that they're having a 2nd storyline without Louise/Saito being in it. And that in a 13 eps. show.

<span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>I dont get why Tabithas mother drank the poison instead of "accidentally" letting it fall down. Seeing her reminded me of NGE. </span>

[martod]

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marko said:
Harry Potter+fanservice+Mahoraba's art crew=a ton of potential /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif.

The general consensus among the bloggers seems to be that the show is too similar to Shana, but I haven't seen Shana, so I can judge this show on its own merits. I don't really see any big similarities to Negima, aside from the OV hinting that harem elements are on the way. There's definately a Harry Potter element though.

I love how Louise spends a whole scene in front of a boy in a see through negligee and doesn't get the slightest bit embarassed /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif.

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Like Shana? Just because the two seriyuu are the same for the two leads? The show looks more Harry Potter meets Mahoraba (Someone said that the art crew is the same). I'll give it a watch. I imagine this'll be licensed due to it's similarities to Potter/Negima.

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I don't know if saying this series is similar to Harry Potter is entirely accurate. For one thing, Harry has a reputation for breaking The Rules, Louise does not. I think the only similarities are that Louise uses magic (very, very badly) and attends a school for it. To me the series has more in common with Love Hina, in that the male lead and romantic interest is constantly being physically abused by the female lead who is excessively jealous about any encounters he has with other females no matter how casual. Saito also seems to be building quite a harem of female admirers.

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The setting is similar to Harry Potter, but the story and characters are not. I'm tired of trying to decide what ZNT is a rip-off of--It's a great show on its own. It's pretty original overall too--I can't think of another fantasy that really taps into the familiar aspect.

[golthin]

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Hahaha, the Louise/Saito part was hilarious! /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif And the Siesta fanservice was great. /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif I am surprised by the amount of fanservice in this show. Its good to see that Saito doesnt act like a certain Love Hina character.

And no, I didnt find the other story to be too slow paced. It'll probably be over in the next ep. and that way we learned some more about the side characters. But I am surprised that they're having a 2nd storyline without Louise/Saito being in it. And that in a 13 eps. show.

<span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>I dont get why Tabithas mother drank the poison instead of "accidentally" letting it fall down. Seeing her reminded me of NGE. </span>

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She did that because that was the only way to prove that the guy did it.

[golthin]

All I have to say about this episode is "No PANTSU".
Louise drinks a love potion and comes up to Keito only wearing nothing but a see through chemise. Also we see a little of Siesta Jeoulous side.

[icelander]

Aww, lovestruck Louise is mega-cute! And seductive Louise is, well, quite something to behold /images/graemlins/happy.gif But, I can't help feeling sorry for Siesta...

[Jadawin]

I found summarys for some of the later novels (the anime will cover the first 3, while there are currently 8 vols out) and wow, some very interesting things are happening. Saito has a nice harem indeed. Unlimited Sailor suit works. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

[golthin]

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Jadawin said:
I found summarys for some of the later novels (the anime will cover the first 3, while there are currently 8 vols out) and wow, some very interesting things are happening. Saito has a nice harem indeed. Unlimited Sailor suit works. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

[/ QUOTE ]well, the love potion thing happens in volume 4 so they are all over, but yeah they completely cover the first three volumes even though they took a few chapters from volume 4.

[Jadawin]

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Jadawin said:
I found summarys for some of the later novels (the anime will cover the first 3, while there are currently 8 vols out) and wow, some very interesting things are happening. Saito has a nice harem indeed. Unlimited Sailor suit works. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

[/ QUOTE ]well, the love potion thing happens in volume 4 so they are all over, but yeah they completely cover the first three volumes even though they took a few chapters from volume 4.

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Ah ok, forgot about the potion scene being part of vol. 4. Anyways, the novel is definitely more adult than the anime (for example Louise being affected by the potion leaves kiss marks on Saito. /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif ).

Are the Shana novels similar to the Zero novels? I guess I'll have to check these out once they are released by VIZ. I am getting interested in Light Novels. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

[icelander]

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Ah ok, forgot about the potion scene being part of vol. 4. Anyways, the novel is definitely more adult than the anime (for example Louise being affected by the potion leaves kiss marks on Saito. /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif ).


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I guess they hinted at that when Louise (very cutely) bit down on his neck, sending poor Saito scuttling across the room. Funny how these characters always run away from situations that appear to be the stuff of their dreams.

[golthin]

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Jadawin said:
Ah ok, forgot about the potion scene being part of vol. 4. Anyways, the novel is definitely more adult than the anime (for example Louise being affected by the potion leaves kiss marks on Saito. /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif ).


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I guess they hinted at that when Louise (very cutely) bit down on his neck, sending poor Saito scuttling across the room. Funny how these characters always run away from situations that appear to be the stuff of their dreams.

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Well, it is a good thing that Saito had selfcontrol
because <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>Louise Remembered EVERYTHING after she was cured. She was angry at Saito even though she did everything, Imagine what she would have done if he actually had done something. </span>

[something]

I didn't think it was slow paced at all... it felt quite right, actually. And it let us see a side of both characters (Kirche and Tabitha... er, Charlotte) that we hadn't really before. I look forward immensely to see how they develop together... IN BED. Er, I mean...

So, Saito really is fucking awesome XD He's such a slut, and I love it. And hoooly shit at Siesta getting in the bath with him! Mmm so sexy.

But I can't wait to see more of his "horny Louise" stuff /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif I think Saito summed it alllll up with the face he makes right --HERE-- (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/disarm10/bscap000-3.jpg) XD Wahahaha. Can you say, "holyshitbonar"? Because I'm pretty sure he can. Louise's whiney little moans were pretty much WIN embodied in aural form. And that scene of her on the bed in nothing but a nightie when he walks in is going to be deliciousss~~~`

As a friend just put it to me, "This ep has officially given ZnT Reason To Put off Ritual Suicide Another Week status." Granted, I've loved it since episode three, but it just keeps getting better and better and better...

...And then I remember it's only 13 episodes, and all I can do is beg for a second season. God I love this show.

[something]

Haha, this was a fantastic episode.

"I'll just close my eyes..."
...SO. HOT.

Saito, why in the world would you want to change her back to normal? You should be blackmailing Monmon into mass producing that shit. And then slip it into the Princess' drink... Siesta... Kirche (well not that she needs it)... Even Tabitha for good measure.

Then again, I Kirche and Tabitha should be getting with each other =D

And oh the beating Saito must have gotten when Louise turned back to normal! I love that she remembered everything XD So awesome.

But, only four episodes left. Sigh =( Such wasted potential. Yes, it's a great show, but it's only going to be a shadow of what it could have been, were it not so short.

[Ialdaboth]

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disarm said:Yes, it's a great show, but it's only going to be a shadow of what it could have been, were it not so short.

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Maybe not, as if ZnT were longer, it would have covered the Tristein/Albion war which is not really as much fun as the first episodes. At last there is a good probability that we will have the story between Wales and Henrietta before the end of the shown and this is already a bit of a mood-downer /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

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Maybe not, as if ZnT were longer, it would have covered the Tristein/Albion war which is not really as much fun as the first episodes. At last there is a good probability that we will have the story between Wales and Henrietta before the end of the shown and this is already a bit of a mood-downer /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

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Having not read the novels I don't have the first clue what you're talking about, but ok /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif I don't mind if things get serious, really. I thnik the show can handle it.

What I don't think the show can handle is delivering anything like a coherent ending or development of background on Louise's true power and Saito's runes... in four damned episodes. Oh well, it's been great so far so I assume it will be until the end, but I really want to see more.

[XenoSaber]

Well it's not completley hopeless. They could just make a second series if it's popular. Just look at what happened with Nanoha.

[Suwako Moriya]

The best thing we can hope for is this first and sadly perhaps only season does not try to conclude too many story elements. Ie that it leaves the chances of a second season open. The worst thing that can happen is the anime staff completely gives up on future seasons and tries to make a rushed and forced conclusion to everything.

Either way I've only seen up to episode 8 so I'm hoping for the best with the remaining 5 episodes that I have not watched. Granted not all of them have even aired yet... Still it only takes one episode to completely ruin a series. I'm not going to give any examples to avoid thread drift.

[something]

Well, I just watched episode 10, and as expected, I loved it. Any time Louise is around Henrietta I'm happy, because I love how they interact. It's also nice to see both Saito and Louise fighting to stay in denial about their feelings, even though it's so obvious at the same time that they love each other.

I admit that "Oh hi we're engaged!" characters always sort of bug me, because it's such an overdone way of intoducing trauma into a relationship, but eh~ There are only three episodes left, so he won't be around too long. Also, he wins the "worse disguise ever" award, with that silly little mask... &gt;_&gt;

I have faith that we'll get a good ending and all, but only relative to the horribly short series length they're given to work with. It will by necessity feel rushed, I'm sure. But Louise and Saito are such good characters that anything will be, at the very least, satisfying. I even like the secondary cast as well... like, all of them. Even Guiche now /images/graemlins/stunned0.gif

All I can say though, if bring on season two damnit! It has to happen, there's simply no question of it. They have to resolve the Princesses' dilemma and all the political intrigue there, the whole Gandalfr deal, the transportation of 20th century Earth military technology to the ZnT world, Louise and Saito's relationship, Siesta and Saito's relationship, Tabitha's personal issues, the water elemental's request and so on.

Oh, and Saito's eventual fate &gt;_&gt; Since, you know, he did kinda come from Earth.

And all in three episodes? Please. There absolutely has to be a second season.

[martod]

Looks like we saw episode 10 at almost exactly the same time. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif Even if it's a romantic cliche, I like that they brought in someone to make Saito jealous for a change(we've seen plenty of Louise getting jealous).

I'm really curious as to how this series will end. Will they try to bring things to a conclusion(not an easy task considering how many plots and subplots are floating around) or will they leave it open to a second season.

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Will they try to bring things to a conclusion(not an easy task considering how many plots and subplots are floating around) or will they leave it open to a second season.

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Leave it oooooopen~

I'd rather an inconclusive ending with the hope of a continuation never realized than some crappy rush job.

And of course I'd prefer above all an inconclusive ending *with a continuation actually realized*, and soon at that.

[Suwako Moriya]

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marko said: Will they try to bring things to a conclusion(not an easy task considering how many plots and subplots are floating around) or will they leave it open to a second season.

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I'm personally hoping for the second option because it gives a sense of hope. Ie that this is truly just the start of a much greater tale. While the first option only makes me think "Just how much would have to be cut, butchered, etc just to bring the series to a likely terrible and rushed conclusion?".

[something]

Well, this managed to be both a massive story movement episode, and a pretty good character development episode.

And... Saito kisses Louise! Yessssssssss~ Of course, II feel like that would have been better left for the last episode, because she still has two episodes in which to further play the tsun par of the tsundere, which might seem a bit anticlimactic after that. Or maybe not ::shrugs:: They've crafted amazing characters and story so far, so no reason to believe they'll screw anything up now.

Tabitha and Kirche didn't get much screentime, but both times they showed up, it was memorable. They look so good together XD Where my yuri/shoujo-ai fanartists at eh?

The prince sure didn't last long, and it seems like he's dead-dead... but maybe he'll make a last minute appearance and be eligible for piano_cello_conducting's thread =P I wouldn't even think much of the possibility if not for Kirche saying "he couldnt have survived it". That always raises the chance of survival.

So, I'll try not to rail too hard against this only being 13 episodes, because I've done that a lot already, but... two episoes left. This episode covered a LOT of ground, but there's still miles and miles to go before this can be considered a show with serious closure. So if we're not going to get that closure... then it better be open ended for a season two. Please please please don't rush this to a complete conclusion in only two more episodes... most shows with a similar plot progression are only a little over halfway done by now.

So, we wait and see. I'm loving this show so far, loving Saitou, Louise, Kirche, everyone (well ok Wald is pretty boring). Love the animation, love the OP song, ahhh, good stuff. Definite buy if it gets licensed (not that it hasn't been since around ep 5).

[Suwako Moriya]

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disarm said:
And... Saito kisses Louise! Yessssssssss~ Of course, II feel like that would have been better left for the last episode, because she still has two episodes in which to further play the tsun par of the tsundere, which might seem a bit anticlimactic after that.

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Personally I'm glad they didn't wait until the last episodes to kiss. Seriously after awhile it gets tiring how many shows use the "last episode" excuse to avoid any real progress. Besides I'm sure their relationship will continue to have its ups and downs. This just an example of a decent up moment.

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Tabitha and Kirche didn't get much screentime, but both times they showed up, it was memorable. They look so good together XD Where my yuri/shoujo-ai fanartists at eh?

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It is their destiny to make sure the images come out right. Never rush perfection. Seriously I'm sure if one looks hard enough they'll find some on the net. Still they definitely would make a rather nice pair over all.

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Please please please don't rush this to a complete conclusion in only two more episodes... most shows with a similar plot progression are only a little over halfway done by now.

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I understand your fear and share it, but I'm still hopeful they will do the right thing. Either way all they really need to do is not try to tie up every plot thread and just create a decent cut off point. One that will allow them to continue the story later.

[martod]

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And... Saito kisses Louise! Yessssssssss~

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Awwwwwwwwwwwww. So sweet! /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

Go Saito! It's nice to see an anime male lead who actually deserves all of the female attention he gets. No indecisiveness or wimpyness here. Saito does what he wants. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

I have mixed feelings about the kiss happening now. On one hand, it more or less ends the romantic subplot, which, if they did a second season, would kill a lot of the opportunities for romance in the season. The kiss is a clear sign that they intend to wrap this up in 13 episodes /images/graemlins/sad.gif.
On the other hand, damn it was nice to see some romantic payback. It would have been better if the series was longer of course, but I can't tell you how many shows (and RPGs for that matter) I've seen which pile on the romantic tension throughout the show and then chicken out at the end.
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Tabitha and Kirche didn't get much screentime, but both times they showed up, it was memorable. They look so good together XD Where my yuri/shoujo-ai fanartists at eh?


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It doesn't help that Kirche is straight as an arrow and Tabitha is emotionless. The fanartists might get to them eventually but for now they're too busy exploring another major character in the show--Louise's panties. /images/graemlins/devil.gif

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It doesn't help that Kirche is straight as an arrow and Tabitha is emotionless.

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I feel like they can overcome such severe handicaps ::nods::

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The fanartists might get to them eventually but for now they're too busy exploring another major character in the show--Louise's panties. /images/graemlins/devil.gif

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Yeah... I love the louise fanart but it needs more diversity. Too many similar poses, in the same outfit, same pantyshots... Get some variety damnit!

[something]

This ep was awesome.

The world of ZnT just keeps opening up wider and wider with every episode, rather than contracting like you expect from the last episodes. War was just declared, Saito and Louise had just kissed, Kirche and Tabitha are getting dramatic entrances down to an art form, Louise is called a void mage, Fouquet and Wald have finally set their plans in motion, further information about the WW2 Japanese stumbling into ZnT's world surface...

As far as I'm concerned, Zero no Tsukaima has just started.

...So, if they rush this ending, I'm probably going to cry ;_; I'm already a bit worried with how they handled the discovery and discussion of the Japanese Zero fighter. They had the professor make some pretty drastic logical leaps almost out of nowhere just to bypass a shitload of backstory. I hope that's not a sign of things to come...

[Suwako Moriya]

Over all the final episode is rather nice. It offers a nice cut off point for ending the anime. However it also makes it possible for the series to be continued. Especially with certain plot points left unresolved. Ie they can be used as material for a second season. Which better happen if you ask me.

In any case I'm too tired to comment on most of the details of the episode, but I can say this much. I love Henrietta's choice of outfit later in the episode. Ie when she's well <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>leading the troops. </span> Not even a serious situation can stop the power of fanservice.

Over all Zero no Tsukaima was a pretty nice series. The only real weakness I can see is that 13 episodes is not enough to tell the story. Although to be fair, I'm not sure how many episodes are truly needed. Perhaps 26 would be enough or maybe this would need to be in fact 52 episodes in reality.

Although truth be told, I think Zero no Tsukaima is better off having breaks in between seasons. So that way the anime staff can get a breather and plan the next block of episodes. Of course the breather shouldn't be more akin to months and not years.

[something]

First off... WTF at adding sound effects to the OP? XD I always think that comes off as so cheesy. It's such a weird thing to add for the last episode...

Anyway the episode itself... terrible. I didn't go into it with high expectations, I didn't expect the greatest ending ever, I didn't even expect much from it at all. And yet it still managed to disappoint massively.

This was possibly the worst rush job I have seen in my entire life. Know how the HiME ending bothered me? This is a thousand times worse.

The pacing was shit, the writing was shit, even the animation went to shit a few times. No effort whatsoever was put into wrapping things up, and instead they crammed in a metric shitton of cliche nonsense into 23 minutes of aimless scurrying around like chickens with their heads cut off.

Fuck, I don't even know what else I can say, other than that out of all the shows I've seen and liked, this may be the worst ending I have ever, ever encountered. They should be utterly ashamed of the crap they just pissed onto the airwaves, and even moreso for offering it as the "ending" to an otherwise brilliant show.

Obviously, I'll buy the show if licensed (bailing on that just because of the ending would be pretty shitty of me), but I doubt I'll ever be able to bring myself to rewatch it. I'll be able to rewatch HiME -- hell, I already have -- but I can't see myself touching this again, unless I decide to read the novels, in which case I'll pretend episode 13 never existed.

I'm just so, so, so disappointed, and never once thought they could screw up this royally. Instead of getting a half decent cutoff point that would be acceptable regardless of whether or not we got a second season, we got pure drivel. And given how easygoing I am when it comes to anime, and how often I let a semi-mediocre ending slide for a great show, it's pretty damning that I'm this pissed off about it.

I've ranted enough, you all get the point. It was atrocious.

[relentlessflame]

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I've ranted enough, you all get the point. It was atrocious.

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And to think that the overall prevailing opinion out there seems to be that it was a decent, if rushed finale for the anime. Then again, I liked the finale for Mai-HiME too, so what can I say... opinions are like that. I am sort of curious as to why you hated it so, but then again, perhaps it's better to let your rage subside... /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

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relentlessflame said:
I am sort of curious as to why you hated it so, but then again, perhaps it's better to let your rage subside... /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

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Because it was so horribly rushed that all character development, chemistry, pacing, everything was thrown right out the window. It was so bad that by two thirds in I was wishing for it to end, and I literally skipped through the last minute or so (the stuff during the ED) just to make the pain stop.

It basically felt like they were giving people a big fat middle finger, right up our asses. I've seen "rushed" before, but this was the most pathetic rush job of them all. I'm not sure what else I can elaborate on. They flubbed absolutely everything about this episode and that it's a terribly unjust for such a good show to get such treatment. I was "worried" before that they might have to rush a bit, but this went far, far beyond any fears I had.

As for general opinion... I didn't read any before posting. You and Yuzu's are the only two I've read so far. Given how unforgiving the community is with endings, it's pretty surprising and very confusing to hear that it hasn't been generally condemned.

[golthin]

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I've ranted enough, you all get the point. It was atrocious.

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Agreed! The ending was not that good, they tried to cover too much material in the last episode while they used a lot fluff in the rest of the series. I still liked the show even though the ending was disppointing.

[golthin]

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I am sort of curious as to why you hated it so, but then again, perhaps it's better to let your rage subside... /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

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Because it was so horribly rushed that all character development, chemistry, pacing, everything was thrown right out the window. It was so bad that by two thirds in I was wishing for it to end, and I literally skipped through the last minute or so (the stuff during the ED) just to make the pain stop.

It basically felt like they were giving people a big fat middle finger, right up our asses. I've seen "rushed" before, but this was the most pathetic rush job of them all. I'm not sure what else I can elaborate on. They flubbed absolutely everything about this episode and that it's a terribly unjust for such a good show to get such treatment. I was "worried" before that they might have to rush a bit, but this went far, far beyond any fears I had.

As for general opinion... I didn't read any before posting. You and Yuzu's are the only two I've read so far. Given how unforgiving the community is with endings, it's pretty surprising and very confusing to hear that it hasn't been generally condemned.

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Well, all rush endings are not that bad. I think the problem was that they didn't execute the epilogue very well.
an example of how to make a rush ending is Blood+, but they executed the epilogue very well, though it was at the cost of some supporting characters development. anyway back to Zero, the show screams for a sequel as there are still 6 more volumes in the novels.

[Ty]

It seems like a lot of the 13 episode shows lately really should've been run as 26. It's hard to get really good characterization into such a short run and nobody's been succeeding lately really.

As for the show, I've not been in on this discussion but I marathoned it over the last few days and I've come to the conclusion that I would've loved this show (ending not withstanding) if Louise hadn't been in it. I despised her throughout the whole bloody show, and I honestly don't think I've ever said that about any character before. Everything about her attitude and behavior just drove me nuts. She's like a racist version of Naru Narusegawa to me. All the things that were supposed to be funny in that show, like her always calling him a stupid dog and whatnot and a commoner just really rubbed me the wrong way. Usually I don't react that way but with this show it just hit me that way and I couldn't enjoy because of that. I wanted to punch Louise the whole time I was watching, the little witch. I'm rather mystified by the reaction really, this is a first for me.

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I marathoned it over the last few days and I've come to the conclusion that I would've loved this show (ending not withstanding) if Louise hadn't been in it. [snip] I'm rather mystified by the reaction really, this is a first for me.

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Weird indeed. I could see you hating her if you hated that type of character or loathed the tsundere archetype generally, but nothing about her struck me as completely over the top as far as that aspect of her went. I did like her myself, but even moreso in her interaction with Saito... I thougth they had a fantastic chemistry, especially in scenes like dancing at the ball or when she showed him the magical waitress outfit or whatever it was.

I don't think I could have finished the show if I hated Louise, but then again I don't think I could finish any show where I hated the main character /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif Or rather, where I didn't at least find them interesting, even if they were worthy of hatred.

[golthin]

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It seems like a lot of the 13 episode shows lately really should've been run as 26. It's hard to get really good characterization into such a short run and nobody's been succeeding lately really.

As for the show, I've not been in on this discussion but I marathoned it over the last few days and I've come to the conclusion that I would've loved this show (ending not withstanding) if Louise hadn't been in it. I despised her throughout the show bloody show, and I honestly don't think I've ever said that about any character before. Everything about her attitude and behavior just drove me nuts. She's like a racist version of Naru Narusegawa to me. All the things that were supposed to be funny in that show, like her always calling him a stupid dog and whatnot and a commoner just really rubbed me the wrong way. Usually I don't react that way but with this show it just hit me that way and I couldn't enjoy because of that. I wanted to punch Louise the whole time I was watching, the little witch. I'm rather mystified by the reaction really, this is a first for me.

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Well, you don't understand Tsundare and how the Japanese think it is super cute (MOE). The Tsundare trend has gotten so big that now they have Tsundare cafes , similar to the maid and cosplay cafes. So If you can't stand a girl like Louise, then you will never like Tsundare.

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golthin said:
Well, you don't understand Tsundare and how the Japanese think it is super cute (MOE). The Tsundare trend has gotten so big that now they have Tsundare cafes , similar to the maid and cosplay cafes. So If you can't stand a girl like Louise, then you will never like Tsundare.

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I'm fairly certain Xcalibur understands Tsundere perfectly well, as I'm almost certain he's posted in threads about it as well, unless I'm mixing him up with someone else again. That just makes his hatred of Louise all the stranger, as he's familiar with the archetype and doesn't hate other characters like that.

I have heard the whole "racist/discrimination/slavery" thing thrown around a lot in disucssions that take Louise in a negative light, and while I suppose it opens territory thats not appropriate for discussion, I am always surprised that of all the many many shows where it occurs comedically as it does here, it's never taken seriously. But something about ZnT and Louise is breaking that wall between reality and fiction and really, really bugging some people. I just can't figure out what it is about the show that triggers that in people though. Because as I said, Xcalibur isn't the first to voice that opinion.

[golthin]

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golthin said:
Well, you don't understand Tsundare and how the Japanese think it is super cute (MOE). The Tsundare trend has gotten so big that now they have Tsundare cafes , similar to the maid and cosplay cafes. So If you can't stand a girl like Louise, then you will never like Tsundare.

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I'm fairly certain Xcalibur understands Tsundere perfectly well, as I'm almost certain he's posted in threads about it as well, unless I'm mixing him up with someone else again. That just makes his hatred of Louise all the stranger, as he's familiar with the archetype and doesn't hate other characters like that.

I have heard the whole "racist/discrimination/slavery" thing thrown around a lot in disucssions that take Louise in a negative light, and while I suppose it opens territory thats not appropriate for discussion, I am always surprised that of all the many many shows where it occurs comedically as it does here, it's never taken seriously. But something about ZnT and Louise is breaking that wall between reality and fiction and really, really bugging some people. I just can't figure out what it is about the show that triggers that in people though. Because as I said, Xcalibur isn't the first to voice that opinion.

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Ah! I didn't get the reason for his hatred, it was not for tsundere but for the "racist/discrimination/slavery". I guess that might be a problem here in the western world where those things are frowned upon. You still have to understand that it is an anime based on an era where those things were common. You need to go with an open mind and understand the characters. The fact that Louise is Tsundere with Saito say a lot about her. I can understand how he feels, I really hated the Noble that was trying to take Siesta as his concubine, but I can't bring myself to hate Louise.

[martod]

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golthin said:
Well, you don't understand Tsundare and how the Japanese think it is super cute (MOE). The Tsundare trend has gotten so big that now they have Tsundare cafes , similar to the maid and cosplay cafes. So If you can't stand a girl like Louise, then you will never like Tsundare.

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I'm fairly certain Xcalibur understands Tsundere perfectly well, as I'm almost certain he's posted in threads about it as well, unless I'm mixing him up with someone else again. That just makes his hatred of Louise all the stranger, as he's familiar with the archetype and doesn't hate other characters like that.

I have heard the whole "racist/discrimination/slavery" thing thrown around a lot in disucssions that take Louise in a negative light, and while I suppose it opens territory thats not appropriate for discussion, I am always surprised that of all the many many shows where it occurs comedically as it does here, it's never taken seriously. But something about ZnT and Louise is breaking that wall between reality and fiction and really, really bugging some people. I just can't figure out what it is about the show that triggers that in people though. Because as I said, Xcalibur isn't the first to voice that opinion.

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Ah! I didn't get the reason for his hatred, it was not for tsundere but for the "racist/discrimination/slavery". I guess that might be a problem here in the western world where those things are frowned upon. You still have to understand that it is an anime based on an era where those things were common. You need to go with an open mind and understand the characters. The fact that Louise is Tsundere with Saito say a lot about her. I can understand how he feels, I really hated the Noble that was trying to take Siesta as his concubine, but I can't bring myself to hate Louise.

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First of all, racism doesn't really enter into this. Louise, along with many of the characters, looks down on Saito at first because of his class, not because of his race. Second, Louise treats Saito like a slave because he's her familiar, and most familiars exist to serve their masters. At the end of the day, it's a classic story of a girl who falls in love with the last guy in the world she wants to fall in love with. I don't have a roblem with Louise's abuse of Saito for the same reason I don't have a problem with Naru's abuse of Keitaro in Love Hina( Although I do think Louise's whip might be a little harsh)--it's slapstick. Saito never gets seriously hurt by Louise, and Louise never tries to seriously hurt Saito.

Oh and Louise is cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuute. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

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I don't have a roblem with Louise's abuse of Saito for the same reason I don't have a problem with Naru's abuse of Keitaro in Love Hina( Although I do think Louise's whip might be a little harsh)--it's slapstick. Saito never gets seriously hurt by Louise, and Louise never tries to seriously hurt Saito.

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That's how I looked at it. It never bothered me at all, because physical slapstick comedy is just that... comedy. They never made the attacks into a serious plotline in and of themselves, because it was never meant to be taken seriously. That doesn't mean people aren't allowed to do so, but... ::shrugs:: Just feels like it's reading too much into it.

[Ty]

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It seems like a lot of the 13 episode shows lately really should've been run as 26. It's hard to get really good characterization into such a short run and nobody's been succeeding lately really.

As for the show, I've not been in on this discussion but I marathoned it over the last few days and I've come to the conclusion that I would've loved this show (ending not withstanding) if Louise hadn't been in it. I despised her throughout the show bloody show, and I honestly don't think I've ever said that about any character before. Everything about her attitude and behavior just drove me nuts. She's like a racist version of Naru Narusegawa to me. All the things that were supposed to be funny in that show, like her always calling him a stupid dog and whatnot and a commoner just really rubbed me the wrong way. Usually I don't react that way but with this show it just hit me that way and I couldn't enjoy because of that. I wanted to punch Louise the whole time I was watching, the little witch. I'm rather mystified by the reaction really, this is a first for me.

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Well, you don't understand Tsundare and how the Japanese think it is super cute (MOE). The Tsundare trend has gotten so big that now they have Tsundare cafes , similar to the maid and cosplay cafes. So If you can't stand a girl like Louise, then you will never like Tsundare.

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On the contrary, I understand Tsundere very well. In fact to give a great example I absolutely adored Shana of Shakugan no Shana. Same voice actress even. /images/graemlins/happy.gif This is why I say I'm mystified by my reaction. Louise really bugged me and I don't know why exactly because I can watch characters with that type of behavior and not have a problem with it. I guess it was the sheer amount they laid on with this particular show. Every single episode was an opportunity for her to point out that NATURALLY he should be protecting her and sacrificing himself and his wants for her just BECAUSE. Even when he responded nicely and went out of his way it was met with more "well of course you would, slave" kind of crap. There's somewhat of a line (albeit a broad one) between Tsundere and stupidity and this just crossed it for me.

[icelander]

I guess I'll go against popular sentiment here and say that I didn't mind ep 13. Sure, it felt a bit rushed -- they certainly covered a lot of material, and that was the shortest war in the history of anime -- but it did the usual things you expect from a fun little series.

It would have been nice had Louise just kissed Saito, without adding the "that was just to re-do the contact" on the end. Anime romances can just never be clear cut, can they?

Looking back on the series, I thought they might have done more with Fouquet. More seemed to be hinted at, but in the end she was just a 'hey, you have to spend 5 minutes defeating me before progressing' sort of character.

Also, despite the series going off on a tangent with the Tabitha/Charlotte storyline, that ended up not being of any real significance, apart from maybe to split the characters up so they could have that half-battle at the lake.

[martod]

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It would have been nice had Louise just kissed Saito, without adding the "that was just to re-do the contact" on the end. Anime romances can just never be clear cut, can they?


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I believe there is a law in Japan that says no anime character may ever confess his or her love unless the show is A. Shoujo, or B. a soap opera. At least we got two kisses though--that's a lot further than most shows will go.

I didn't mind episode 13 either. The whole war aspect was silly. Henrietta and her army had nothing to do but sit and stare. I mean, at the dogfight in the sky, not at the breasts that Henrietta decided to grow right before the war(I prefer her in sweet, pure princess mode by the way). Also, if that was the entirety of Albion's forces than Ward and Cromwell picked the wrong country to take over. The whole scene would have been better if they had just had it be a battle with Ward and Fouquet for some reason rather than making it a war between countries.

And of course I could have done without the "nothing really changed" epilogue.

But it was still a fine episode, and it was nice that it did wrap up the story while still leaving room for another season.

Very, very good show overall. Between this and Karin and Mahoraba, JC Staff has been on fire lately. ZNT is definitely second on my list of most wanted licenses after Mahoraba. And it shows that Masahiro Fujii's character designs for Mahoraba were no fluke. The man is a genius and needs to do much, much more character design work. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Now we wait for the novels to be translated...Although the new manga is pretty good. VEEEEEEEERY cute. Louise looks like she stepped out of a Koge-Donbo manga. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

[golthin]

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I believe there is a law in Japan that says no anime character may ever confess his or her love unless the show is A. Shoujo, or B. a soap opera.

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that is very amuzing, whoever told you that was pulling your leg. I have seen many shows where there have been love confessions and the shows weren't Shoujo. Blood+ is not Shoujo and there were love confessions. Gundam is NOT shoujo and there are love confessions.

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that is very amuzing, whoever told you that was pulling your leg.

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He was making a joke &gt;______&gt;
But he has a point. Obviously there are shows that are more up front about setting the romance in stone, but it is relatively rare.

[icelander]

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At least we got two kisses though--that's a lot further than most shows will go.


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Absolutely -- as far as romantic interaction in a harem show goes, ZnT was certainly above quota.

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I didn't mind episode 13 either. The whole war aspect was silly. Henrietta and her army had nothing to do but sit and stare. I mean, at the dogfight in the sky, not at the breasts that Henrietta decided to grow right before the war(I prefer her in sweet, pure princess mode by the way).


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Yes, they stood out to me too. Almost as if one of the character designers decided they hadn't made the most out of her -- "Hey, let's get her baps out for no reason."

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And of course I could have done without the "nothing really changed" epilogue.


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Ditto. It would be nice to see a decisive ending for a change. "Louise, I'll protect you forever" "Saito, I'll keep calling you a dog in public, but I love you" etc...

[pianocello]

I just finished this and while I somewhat liked it because Saito has a spine and is more proactive than most harem male leads. Plus Siesta and Henrietta were so hot. That being said,I'm a little disappointed at the ending and I hope a 2nd season will fix some of the flaws. Many of the supporting character were barely developed. Tabitha comes off as a weak Rei Ayanami clone. I barely knew too much about Kirche, Henrietta, Montmorecy and even Siesta could do with some more character development. I do like the principal though and this is how the principal of Harry Potter should be - a lecherous old man. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

I'm a little disappointed with Louise though. <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'> You would think that halfway through the series , the producers would try more to show her learn that class distinction is not everything. And the fact that to the end, she still couldn't be honest with her feelings with Saito really irked me. Go Siesta go. You're much better for Saito. </span>

[martod]

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I'm a little disappointed with Louise though. <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'> You would think that halfway through the series , the producers would try more to show her learn that class distinction is not everything. And the fact that to the end, she still couldn't be honest with her feelings with Saito really irked me. Go Siesta go. You're much better for Saito. </span>

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<span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'> Louise's refusal to be honest with her feelings isn't really because of the class distinction. The fact that Saito is a commoner isn't really mentioned after the first few episodes(except when Ward uses it to try to break Saito's will). Louise won't admit her feelings because A:she's a tsundere and B: Saito is her familiar, so she feels like she's falling in love with her pet.

Of course, I'm not unbiased...Louise can get away with a lot with me since she's cute. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif</span>

[Ty]

Cute or not, she was a bitch pure and simple. I had no sympathy for her at all.

[golthin]

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Cute or not, she was a bitch pure and simple. I had no sympathy for her at all.

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That is what a tsundere is supposed to be and she is one of the best.

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Cute or not, she was a bitch pure and simple. I had no sympathy for her at all.

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That is what a tsundere is supposed to be and she is one of the best.

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What a strangely polarizing character she turned out to be. I for one thought she was awesome, especially as a sort of emotional sparring partner with with Saito.

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Cute or not, she was a bitch pure and simple. I had no sympathy for her at all.

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That is what a tsundere is supposed to be and she is one of the best.

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A tsundere is supposed to be a bitch at first then adorable and likable in the end. Louise was a bitch from beginning to end.

[golthin]

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Cute or not, she was a bitch pure and simple. I had no sympathy for her at all.

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That is what a tsundere is supposed to be and she is one of the best.

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A tsundere is supposed to be a bitch at first then adorable and likable in the end. Louise was a bitch from beginning to end.

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Not necessary, even after the girl enter the loving stage, some of them keep being tsundere in public when she doesn't want other people to know, they are only sweet in private. She has been sweet to Saito many times. She nursed him to health, she asked him to dance, she didn't slap him when he kissed her in the dragon.

[martod]

One of the things that makes Louise a good tsundere is that she actually has a reason to have a chip on her shoulder. The other students make fun of her mercilessly. None of her spells ever work. She's got Kirche around to constantly remind her of how underdeveloped she is physically(although, according to the characters' measurements, Tabitha is actually smaller than Louise). And now she has a familiar that actually talks back to her and argues with her.

That said--the whip she uses to punish Saito is a little much.

[pianocello]

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Xcalibur said:
Cute or not, she was a bitch pure and simple. I had no sympathy for her at all.

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That is what a tsundere is supposed to be and she is one of the best.

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A tsundere is supposed to be a bitch at first then adorable and likable in the end. Louise was a bitch from beginning to end.

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Not necessary, even after the girl enter the loving stage, some of them keep being tsundere in public when she doesn't want other people to know, they are only sweet in private. She has been sweet to Saito many times. She nursed him to health, she asked him to dance, she didn't slap him when he kissed her in the dragon.

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I don't think I would be incorrect to say that many of those who continue to gush over Louise(to the ridiculous point that they are overlooking her very obvious flaws) are merely doing so because of the "Ooh! She's such a hot loli" aspect. Seriously there are better tsundere than Louise. My biggest complaint about Louise was the fact that there was not enough character growth in her. Maybe I'm asking too much but I was hoping for some character growth similar to Suzu and Shoukei in Twelve Kingdoms where Louise realizes that there are people who have it worse than her and she learns to be strong and be honest with her feelings.

[Gatts]

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piano_cello_conducting said:
I was hoping for some character growth similar to Suzu and Shoukei in Twelve Kingdoms where Louise realizes that there are people who have it worse than her and she learns to be strong and be honest with her feelings.

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I can't believe you compared Zero no Tsukaima to Twelve Kingdoms. /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif

[golthin]

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I was hoping for some character growth similar to Suzu and Shoukei in Twelve Kingdoms where Louise realizes that there are people who have it worse than her and she learns to be strong and be honest with her feelings.

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I can't believe you compared Zero no Tsukaima to Twelve Kingdoms. /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif

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I was going to say that but I restrained myself,
Besides the two anime being so different 12 kingdoms had a lot more episodes to build the characters.

[Suwako Moriya]

Personally I like Louise myself and understand she has reasons for her behavior. Although I do admit to getting angry at her sometimes for the way she acts. Still then again I'm not sure if Saito himself was exactly a saint either... I see Louise as one of the flawed characters that shows moments of improvement. Yet at the same she's not the type of character who easily drops her flaws. In other words she's not doing a sudden 180. Still either way despite the fact I like her, despite the fact I find her hot, etc. I'm not going to deny she has flaws myself. She can make a bit angry. Also not the word like, I'm not sure if I actually love her per say.

[Gatts]

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golthin said:
I was going to say that but I restrained myself,
Besides the two anime being so different 12 kingdoms had a lot more episodes to build the characters.

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Well, not really. The story arc that Suzu and Shoukei are part of is about 15 episodes long. But comparing a action drama to a comedy makes no sense at all. It would be like comparing Shawshank Redemption (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111161/) and Life (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0123964/) and complaining that the character development in Life wasn't as good as it was in Shawshank Redemption.

[XenoSaber]

I get the feeling that more than anything else, the length of the show seems to be the true culprit here. I get the feeling that if you were to read the manga you may get the character development that you are missing. I think she could have been a much better character with more time. Because honestly, I think she was a good person basically. There just needed to be more time for her to show it.

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XenoSaber said:
I get the feeling that if you were to read the manga you may get the character development that you are missing.

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Novels, but yeah. Definitely needs a second season (and to pretend the last episode never happened).

[wrex]

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XenoSaber said:
I get the feeling that more than anything else, the length of the show seems to be the true culprit here. I get the feeling that if you were to read the manga you may get the character development that you are missing. I think she could have been a much better character with more time. Because honestly, I think she was a good person basically. There just needed to be more time for her to show it.

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You got it there; the anime was just too short; if it were double the number of episodes, they could've shown more character development and more plot details.

I see many people liking Siesta over Louise, but having read the novels, I have to disagree... I really hate when Siesta makes the moves on Saito. Saito irritates me more than Louise, because whenever Louise start to loosen up and be honest about her feelings, Saito does something crazy and it's back to square one (or worse) again. However, I can also understand that they are all young, and being that this is their first romantic journey, they make lots of mistakes.

I'm writing novel summaries, so if you care to read, here is Novel 1 (http://wrexgrafix.com/anime/blog/?p=261) and Novel 2 (http://wrexgrafix.com/anime/blog/?p=264). I'll have the summary for Novel 3 ready in a few days. It is an excellent climax to that story arc, and much better than the anime's finish. The anime used materials from the first 5 novels.

[golthin]

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XenoSaber said:
I get the feeling that more than anything else, the length of the show seems to be the true culprit here. I get the feeling that if you were to read the manga you may get the character development that you are missing. I think she could have been a much better character with more time. Because honestly, I think she was a good person basically. There just needed to be more time for her to show it.

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You got it there; the anime was just too short; if it were double the number of episodes, they could've shown more character development and more plot details.

I see many people liking Siesta over Louise, but having read the novels, I have to disagree... I really hate when Siesta makes the moves on Saito. Saito irritates me more than Louise, because whenever Louise start to loosen up and be honest about her feelings, Saito does something crazy and it's back to square one (or worse) again. However, I can also understand that they are all young, and being that this is their first romantic journey, they make lots of mistakes.

I'm writing novel summaries, so if you care to read, here is Novel 1 (http://wrexgrafix.com/anime/blog/?p=261) and Novel 2 (http://wrexgrafix.com/anime/blog/?p=264). I'll have the summary for Novel 3 ready in a few days. It is an excellent climax to that story arc, and much better than the anime's finish. The anime used materials from the first 5 novels.

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I am waiting patiently for the summary for Novel 3. I don't have access to the novels, if it wasn't for that I will give them a crack. I just finished reading the last 4 volumes of Kimiwapetto (Tramp like us)in Japanese and I read them in record time, considering that they have almost no Furigana at all.

[martod]

The problem with Siesta in the anime is that she's not given a whole lot to do. Basically she's just a one-dimensional "good girl" for the whole show and exists solely to make Louise jealous. Yes, I know she has a lot more development in the novels, but I think her popularity has more to do with her voice actress than anything else.

[Ty]

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The problem with Siesta in the anime is that she's not given a whole lot to do. Basically she's just a one-dimensional "good girl" for the whole show and exists solely to make Louise jealous. Yes, I know she has a lot more development in the novels, but I think her popularity has more to do with her voice actress than anything else.

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Some people just have a soft spot for nice girls though. Before we had this tsundere crap there were nice and innocent moekkos, and life was good. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif Now the nice girls are just the sideshow to offset the meanness of the main character.

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Yes, I know she has a lot more development in the novels, but I think her popularity has more to do with her voice actress than anything else.

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And here I thought it was the tits.

[XenoSaber]

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Yes, I know she has a lot more development in the novels, but I think her popularity has more to do with her voice actress than anything else.

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And here I thought it was the tits.

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No, that was the princess in her shining new battle suit /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

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No, that was the princess in her shining new battle suit /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

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The last ep was so bad that even that pissed me off. She looked fairly rediculous... or well, it wouldnt have been so rediculous if she ever wore anything else, of if it wasn't supposed to be serious &gt;_____&gt;

[martod]

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marko said:
The problem with Siesta in the anime is that she's not given a whole lot to do. Basically she's just a one-dimensional "good girl" for the whole show and exists solely to make Louise jealous. Yes, I know she has a lot more development in the novels, but I think her popularity has more to do with her voice actress than anything else.

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Some people just have a soft spot for nice girls though. Before we had this tsundere crap there were nice and innocent moekkos, and life was good. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif Now the nice girls are just the sideshow to offset the meanness of the main character.

[/ QUOTE ] I love nice girls too, but Siesta just doesn't stand out in any way. Even in the episode revolving around her, she's just kind of driven around by the plot.

[martod]

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Yes, I know she has a lot more development in the novels, but I think her popularity has more to do with her voice actress than anything else.

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And here I thought it was the tits.

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First of all, Kirche is the designated boob girl of the show. Second of all, considering how much ecchi fanart has been made of Louise, I don't think tits are very important to the show's fanbase. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Ty]

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marko said:
The problem with Siesta in the anime is that she's not given a whole lot to do. Basically she's just a one-dimensional "good girl" for the whole show and exists solely to make Louise jealous. Yes, I know she has a lot more development in the novels, but I think her popularity has more to do with her voice actress than anything else.

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Some people just have a soft spot for nice girls though. Before we had this tsundere crap there were nice and innocent moekkos, and life was good. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif Now the nice girls are just the sideshow to offset the meanness of the main character.

[/ QUOTE ] I love nice girls too, but Siesta just doesn't stand out in any way. Even in the episode revolving around her, she's just kind of driven around by the plot.

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I think that's the writer's faults, not Siesta's. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

[wrex]

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marko said:
The problem with Siesta in the anime is that she's not given a whole lot to do. Basically she's just a one-dimensional "good girl" for the whole show and exists solely to make Louise jealous. Yes, I know she has a lot more development in the novels, but I think her popularity has more to do with her voice actress than anything else.

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Some people just have a soft spot for nice girls though. Before we had this tsundere crap there were nice and innocent moekkos, and life was good. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif Now the nice girls are just the sideshow to offset the meanness of the main character.

[/ QUOTE ] I love nice girls too, but Siesta just doesn't stand out in any way. Even in the episode revolving around her, she's just kind of driven around by the plot.

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I think that's the writer's faults, not Siesta's. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

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Yeah, and it's the anime writer's fault, as she does a lot more in the novel. She can get really aggressive with Saito at times, like trying to have sex with him in Louise's room. @_@

[Ty]

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marko said:
The problem with Siesta in the anime is that she's not given a whole lot to do. Basically she's just a one-dimensional "good girl" for the whole show and exists solely to make Louise jealous. Yes, I know she has a lot more development in the novels, but I think her popularity has more to do with her voice actress than anything else.

[/ QUOTE ]

Some people just have a soft spot for nice girls though. Before we had this tsundere crap there were nice and innocent moekkos, and life was good. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif Now the nice girls are just the sideshow to offset the meanness of the main character.

[/ QUOTE ] I love nice girls too, but Siesta just doesn't stand out in any way. Even in the episode revolving around her, she's just kind of driven around by the plot.

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I think that's the writer's faults, not Siesta's. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

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Yeah, and it's the anime writer's fault, as she does a lot more in the novel. She can get really aggressive with Saito at times, like trying to have sex with him in Louise's room. @_@

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Wow..... not so innocent after all I guess. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

[wrex]

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golthin said:
I am waiting patiently for the summary for Novel 3. I don't have access to the novels, if it wasn't for that I will give them a crack. I just finished reading the last 4 volumes of Kimiwapetto (Tramp like us)in Japanese and I read them in record time, considering that they have almost no Furigana at all.

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Thanks for your patience. /images/graemlins/happy.gif Summary for Novel 3 is up (http://wrexgrafix.com/anime/blog/?p=279).

[golthin]

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golthin said:
I am waiting patiently for the summary for Novel 3. I don't have access to the novels, if it wasn't for that I will give them a crack. I just finished reading the last 4 volumes of Kimiwapetto (Tramp like us)in Japanese and I read them in record time, considering that they have almost no Furigana at all.

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Thanks for your patience. /images/graemlins/happy.gif Summary for Novel 3 is up (http://wrexgrafix.com/anime/blog/?p=279).

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Great Summary! They really butchered the story in the anime!
that comes from someone that like the anime! /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif