Please help with some Rahxephon story questions **SPOILERS**

[conan48]

Hello all,

First let me say what a great site this is, and I'm happy to have found it. I just finished watching the entire series of Rahxephon and I really enjoyed it. I was very confused on a number of points and read though the all the threads on this board but I still have some questions. To me these are the basic plot questions and character motivation which I have not gotten a clear understanding of.

1. What is babhem(SP?) trying to accomplish by causing the tunning? As he will also die by having the world reborn (restarted) He never really pushes either Ayato or Quon or gives them advice asto how he wants the world remade or why he wants the world remade in the first place. I just don't understand his motivation as a character. Is he a bad guy, good guy, or just some crazy guy who wants to cause the apocolypse, but for what reason. Was abused as a child, etc. What motivates him.

2. Why did Babhem come from the other reality (mulian world) in the first place. Is the Mulian world dieing and he's trying to recreate it in the human world.

3. Why do the Mulians come through Tokyo Jupitar in spirit form in the first place. They can sync with dolems and fight, but why do they fight with the human world. What is their motivation whey are they coming to the human world.

4. Is Bahbem controlling the whole world. He is in charge of the Foundation which basically created Ayato and Itski from Quon to bring about the tunning. Maya is also a Mulian and is Quon's sister but lives in Tokyo Jupitar. Bahbem basically controlls Terra because everyone seems to answer to him. So why would Bahbem have Terra fighting his own people in Tokyo Jupitar when he basically controlls both parties.

5. WHen the TJ shield is destroyed where do all the other floating cities suddenly appear from and why do they only appear after the TJ sheild has been destroyed. I thought it was very difficult for the Mullians to come into the human world. So how do thousands suddenly appear out of nowhere.

6. Why are there 2 Rahxephones that suddenly appear at the end. I though the tunning was supposed to be just the one Rahxephon. To my understanding Itski couldn't become an Orin because he passed the age of 17. Why didn't he just use this mysterious second Rahxephon to complete the tunning. Do there have to be 2 Rahxephones for the tunning to occur.

These are all the questions I have right now, but to me these are very basic plot question that I have not found the answers to. I've read countless threads on the ending and what it mean and so forth, but these basic plot questions evade me. Please help me better understand this wonderfull show.

[golthin]

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Bart48 said:
Hello all,

First let me say what a great site this is, and I'm happy to have found it. I just finished watching the entire series of Rahxephon and I really enjoyed it. I was very confused on a number of points and read though the all the threads on this board but I still have some questions. To me these are the basic plot questions and character motivation which I have not gotten a clear understanding of.

1. What is babhem(SP?) trying to accomplish by causing the tunning? As he will also die by having the world reborn (restarted) He never really pushes either Ayato or Quon or gives them advice asto how he wants the world remade or why he wants the world remade in the first place. I just don't understand his motivation as a character. Is he a bad guy, good guy, or just some crazy guy who wants to cause the apocolypse, but for what reason. Was abused as a child, etc. What motivates him.



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I can only answer the first question for sure, it is answered at the end when he took the girl's body and is talking about what is going to happen. He is a scientist
and is curious about what would happen.

[DKL]

While I'm not the best place to go to answer this stuff, I'll take a shot:

1. I think that he was under the impression that the "tuning" would be like... "his plan," because he thinks that he's the one who created the process that lead up to it, like... god (Futagami... err... that reporter dude, I think, doesn't let him see it though).

2. I think he came from the other reality because he got booted out of his dimension for that whole RahXephon system he was making; he was dangerous and the Mulians wanted to get rid of him.

3. I think that they wanna come to the human world because their dimension is disappearing or something; so... move over humans!

4. I think he doesn't have anything to do with the Mulians at this point, but he does fight them since I think he needs to buy time for himself so that he can live to see RahXephon system work

5. I think that Tokyo Jupiter was actually a prison device or something; the reason WHY they can’t come over to the human world is BECAUSE of Tokyo Jupiter (at least, that’s how I think it works); Makoto drops the ball when he has it opened and the whole Mulian world pours into the human world (or something like that)

6. The fight in the end happens because the tuning will depend on who wins… er… Ayato wins, so he makes the world a place where both the Mulians and the Humans exist in one world (but this was only possible because of his interactions with the people around him)

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I’m generally pretty iffy with these answers, but you should wait and someone will probably come along with better ones (it’s pretty early)

[Ty]

I think it's time to dig up duckroll's ultimate rahxephon thread again. It must be archived somewhere....

[LupusUmbrus]

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Xcalibur wrote:
I think it's time to dig up duckroll's ultimate rahxephon thread again. It must be archived somewhere....

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This wouldn't happen to be the thread in question would it? Rahxephon 7 WOW and WTF SPOILERS (http://forums.animeondvd.com/showflat.php?Number=273037)

[Ty]

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Xcalibur wrote:
I think it's time to dig up duckroll's ultimate rahxephon thread again. It must be archived somewhere....

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This wouldn't happen to be the thread in question would it? Rahxephon 7 WOW and WTF SPOILERS (http://forums.animeondvd.com/showflat.php?Number=273037)

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That would be the one. Apparently my ninja search skills are somewhat lacking because my attempts produced no results at all.

Oh, and no snide remarks about how the search does work everybody. If selecting all categories and entering a keyword doesn't work then AFAIC it's broken.

[mighty_vespa]

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LupusUmbrus said:
This wouldn't happen to be the thread in question would it? Rahxephon 7 WOW and WTF SPOILERS (http://forums.animeondvd.com/showflat.php?Number=273037)

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Holy crap! It LIVES! /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

I thought this thread got thrown off the edge of the forum, where Thik, LINK and others have "retired". Anytime someone new pops in with a RahXephon question, the first reply should automatically link to this thread. Failure to do so should result in a week long ban. It's too awesome to not be referenced to.

[LupusUmbrus]

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Xcalibur said:
That would be the one. Apparently my ninja search skills are somewhat lacking because my attempts produced no results at all.

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If it makes you feel any better, I had to use google to find it. I've never had much luck with AOD's search function. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

[DanielJr]

Just toggle it as a favorite thread. That's what I did. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

By the way, I have a RahXephon site with a FAQ section. Wouldn't hurt to check it out. I'm currently working on re-designing the site so expect it to look different in the coming days. I got some major updates to go along with it too... like comprehensive character profiles and a few images of the last three episodes. Good stuff.

Bookmark it!
http://www.kenoki.com/nko/

[conan48]

Thanks for the replies. I read through the read linked and it didn't answer the questions I had. DanielJr web page provided very usefull info and anwered almost all the questions I had about Bahbem and TJ. I loved this series. The music was especailly good. The animation and character and dolem desings were very good. I wish they would make a prequal that expands on the Mulians and Bahbem.

[banksie]

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Bart48 said:
Thanks for the replies. I read through the read linked and it didn't answer the questions I had. DanielJr web page provided very usefull info and anwered almost all the questions I had about Bahbem and TJ. I loved this series. The music was especailly good. The animation and character and dolem desings were very good. I wish they would make a prequal that expands on the Mulians and Bahbem.

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Depending on your level of interest it can be worth hunting around a bit more. While DanielJr has a great site I do think some of his interpretations of the series are wrong, there is some strong hinting at the motivation of the Mu but plenty of wiggle room is left for a variety of motives. Half the fun of a series like RahXephon is thinking about it and coming to your own conclusion.

[DanielJr]

I was going to make a new thread, but I might as well just post it here instead. I updated my RahXephon site! Hopefully this time my FAQs are more clear. I also wrote up character profiles based on my knowledge of the series and some digging up I've done from the Mu Timeline.

Nirai Kanai Online 3.0 (http://www.kenoki.com/nko/)

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banksie said:
Depending on your level of interest it can be worth hunting around a bit more. While DanielJr has a great site I do think some of his interpretations of the series are wrong, there is some strong hinting at the motivation of the Mu but plenty of wiggle room is left for a variety of motives. Half the fun of a series like RahXephon is thinking about it and coming to your own conclusion.

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Yeah, I noticed I had quite a bit of wrong information. Fortunately I had the chance to revamp the site and fix some innacuracies. Since I trust your judgement of the series more than anybody else, it would do me a great honor if perhaps you could comment on it? Just anything that stands out really.

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More precisely concerning Questions 11 and 17 from the second FAQ. (http://www.kenoki.com/nko/faq2.html)

[banksie]

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DanielJr said:
Yeah, I noticed I had quite a bit of wrong information. Fortunately I had the chance to revamp the site and fix some innacuracies. Since I trust your judgement of the series more than anybody else, it would do me a great honor if perhaps you could comment on it? Just anything that stands out really.

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More precisely concerning Questions 11 and 17 from the second FAQ. (http://www.kenoki.com/nko/faq2.html)

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I have had a brief look. Most of my comments really amount to matters of interpretation. For instance in Q17 you and I mostly agree about Maya's motives, that Tokyo Jupiter was explicitly created to make a preparing ground for Ayato - in particular they had an enclosed city they had the resources and ability to order entirely at their whim. But I don't think it was formed exclusively to lock Haruka out. Certainly that is a happy side benefit but the whole timing of it with the appearance of the city over Sendai (which we know gets nuked in short order by Kunnugi under orders from Kuki.). The fact that we know Kuki is also enclosed in Tokyo Jupiter, along with other known mulian agents who are later branded as traitors to humanity, implies strongly for me that the enclosure of Tokyo Jupiter was a long planned for contingency to ensure the protection of both the instrumentalist, the Xephon system and the other Mulian agents. Indeed I'd think if Haruka had been caught in the TJ bubble she would have been forcibly made to forget Ayato and we would have a radicly different story being told.

But I can't really say that you are wrong on that count and that I am right, they both are interpretations that the series supports.

About the one niggle I would make is that the business of a Mulian forgetting their human life when they awaken is something the movie came up with. The series itself actually argues against it as Asahina's tragic little story shows - while the mulian personality was dominant she never forgot her life experiences as a human. I think it is one of many points of disharmony between the series and the movie, I'd be inclined to suggest keeping them seperate in your analysis.

Otherwise it really is a nice site Daniel, keep up the good work on it.

[golthin]

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banksie said:
Half the fun of a series like RahXephon is thinking about it and coming to your own conclusion.

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Hehehe! Thank goodness I never cared to much about why the Mu were doing what they were doing. I just wanted Haruka and Ayato to end together. That is why I consider RahXephon TV one of the best endings out there. I love the little segment of "that is how they met", that was so awesome.

[DanielJr]

Thanks for the comments, Banksie! /images/graemlins/happy.gif

You're right on the Mulian/Asahina issue. I could have sworn I had edited that part of the FAQ, though I'm sure I mentioned it on her profile. Either way, thanks for the compliments and the suggestions! /images/graemlins/happy.gif

[fractured78]

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DanielJr said:
Yeah, I noticed I had quite a bit of wrong information. Fortunately I had the chance to revamp the site and fix some innacuracies. Since I trust your judgement of the series more than anybody else, it would do me a great honor if perhaps you could comment on it? Just anything that stands out really.

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More precisely concerning Questions 11 and 17 from the second FAQ. (http://www.kenoki.com/nko/faq2.html)

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I have had a brief look. Most of my comments really amount to matters of interpretation. For instance in Q17 you and I mostly agree about Maya's motives, that Tokyo Jupiter was explicitly created to make a preparing ground for Ayato - in particular they had an enclosed city they had the resources and ability to order entirely at their whim. But I don't think it was formed exclusively to lock Haruka out. Certainly that is a happy side benefit but the whole timing of it with the appearance of the city over Sendai (which we know gets nuked in short order by Kunnugi under orders from Kuki.). The fact that we know Kuki is also enclosed in Tokyo Jupiter, along with other known mulian agents who are later branded as traitors to humanity, implies strongly for me that the enclosure of Tokyo Jupiter was a long planned for contingency to ensure the protection of both the instrumentalist, the Xephon system and the other Mulian agents. Indeed I'd think if Haruka had been caught in the TJ bubble she would have been forcibly made to forget Ayato and we would have a radicly different story being told.

But I can't really say that you are wrong on that count and that I am right, they both are interpretations that the series supports.

About the one niggle I would make is that the business of a Mulian forgetting their human life when they awaken is something the movie came up with. The series itself actually argues against it as Asahina's tragic little story shows - while the mulian personality was dominant she never forgot her life experiences as a human. I think it is one of many points of disharmony between the series and the movie, I'd be inclined to suggest keeping them seperate in your analysis.

Otherwise it really is a nice site Daniel, keep up the good work on it.

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I just watched RahXephon again. While I used to think Asahina didn't forget anything...after watching she does mention that she can't remember her parents. I never understood the significance of that before.

I also think that TJ was a way to keep the whole world from turning into a bloody mess. After TJ collapses all hell breaks out...imagine three years of that waiting for Ayato and Quon to hit 17. To me Maya repeatedly has a chance to kill Haruka--look at the very beginning when she doesn't order an attack on the Terran invaders--but she doesn't. Ultimately I figure Maya simply loves her son and her motivations are almost entirely linked to that.

So TJ was created for a number of reasons, not only the Ayato connection already mentioned.

[banksie]

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I just watched RahXephon again. While I used to think Asahina didn't forget anything...after watching she does mention that she can't remember her parents. I never understood the significance of that before.

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Remember that she was also escaping from the heavy mind control exerted on Tokyo Jupiter citizens as well. We also have the examples of Kuki, who spends a lot of time gloating about Kunugi. (Although it is debatable when he 'awakens', he certainly isn't bound to a Dolem till late in the series so I'd argue he was a late bloomer.) And also Mamoru who also remembers his life growing up with Ayato.

But as I have said it isn't conclusive either way.