The hypocrisy of the otakus must end (mainly referring to bootleggers)

[jdr0884]

The hypocrisy of the otakus must end.

Point 1) Anime fans claim they support anime, but in reality 99% of them steal it by downloading it.
Very few people actually buy it legally. The same goes for video games and computer games.
Anime fans are not supporting anime at all, they take advantage of fansubs that float around the net and use them
as a substitute and convince themselves they are actually legal.

Every anime fan in my community I know that has an interest in anime doesn't buy it... they bootleg it.

I buy everything legally: movies, games, anime, music, you name it, but it seems most people, especially otakus, simply
take advantage of America and Japan's dying economy.

At most anime and games should be backed up if you own the TRUE, REAL, ORIGINAL cartridge, DVD, or VHS tape.

Point 2) Fansubs DO NOT PROMOTE ANIME, they simply provide people with a means to steal it and keep it freely. Fansubs
are ILLEGAL, even more illegal than having a bootleg of a non-fantranslated version. Why is this one might ask? Well,
you can't translate without a license now can you?

Point 3) Otakus need to stop their complaining about OFFICIAL DUBS and OFFICIAL TRANSLATIONS by the Commercial Companies.
Seriously folks, what is so great about Japan? Almost all of their ideas stem from Western Cultures. The newer the anime or manga,
the less original it is. Anime no more than a Cartoon made in Japan; that's all. It isn't "sacred" or "blessed".

Point 4) All I hear from otakus in my community is that "America sux, they don't respect other cultures." Well EXCUSE ME,
um take a look at almost every otaku in America. What are you? YOU'RE AMERICANS! You should be proud of being Americans and stop
taking advantage of life and respect life more.

Point 5) Not so long ago I came across a band of Asian-American otakus who were making fun of Jewish people. This was completely
absurd. Otakus claim they respect other cultures? In your wildest dreams. If otakus are so respectable of other cultures,
then why do I hear them being prejudice about African-Americans, Jewish-Americans, etc. etc. etc. etc.

The hypocrisy of the otakus must end.

[Njr Scrawl]

Better in the blog forum..or not at all.

[something]

Hi, welcome to AOD. However, you seem to be on the wrong site.

See that "D" in the name? It stands for 'DVD'. That is, the very things you're bitching about people not buying.

I'm 90% sure you just went and posted this on all sorts of forums at once to get a reaction though, so it's just spamming/trolling, most likely.

Edit: Damn, Njr musta beat me to the alert button =P

[KatsuhikoJinnai]

I think you're preaching to the choir on AoD.

[Gersen]

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Wrath of the Njr said:
Better in the blog forum..or not at all.

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I vote for not at all.

Gersen

[golthin]

very amuzing post! /images/graemlins/icon_rolleyes.gif

[dunno001]

I don't see this post as being aimed at us directly, persay, rather, I see it as a(nother) rant about problems within the 'fandom'. Some things in here are correct, but just like almost all rants, there are issues. (There is no such thing as 'more illegal' in this case. It's all copyright violation.)

I know that most (not all) of us here buy our stuff legit. But there are a few who look for any excuse to not buy something, and then there are others who think that because they bought 1 series, it entitles them to the other 7 series they're also watching. I see them both as problem cases, but I'm sure that everyone here knows my stance already on them.

Finally, about the alert, since this is not about advocation, promotion, comparison, or how to get fansubs, it falls within the realm of acceptable. Do I think it's going to go down the same path as all the others? Yes, but people whine when we pre-emptively lock, so I'm going to wait for it to get there. I give it about a day or so...

Oh, and if you try to attack others, attempting to get a lock on this, I'm just going to remove those posts.

[Lego]

Point 4 and 5 might be a little out there for the board, but I can see what you're trying to get at. I want to take the post in a different direction if you odn't mind jdr0884. Now when I buy DVD's, I'm 100% sure that I'm getting a legit DVD and that someone isn't trying to swindle me. But I often hear about bootleg CD's, books, posters, figures, and even games. As a anime fan that wants to break into collectibles such as these, it stresses me out that I have to wade through a sea of shoddy knock offs. I mean I know the big bootleg companies, but if I ever wanted to order something from Japan that wasn't from a big store, I wouldn't know what I was getting. Sometimes you just get tired of always having to be on guard when ordering something, especially online.

[Lovely]

Ehheh, well, ok, As others have said, here at AoD you're kind of preaching to the choir. But I can understand where you are coming from. It annoys me to no end online to find "fans" talking about the latest stuff they downloaded when it's liscenced. "But I don't have money!" is an often used excuse, but with renting companies out, I don't think that excuse really holds water.

Of course, as you said, that excuse isn't NEARLY as bad as people who list well, CRAZY excuses for not buying. Such as a hatred of dubs. An excuse that doesn't make sense in this age of DVD's.

Of course, saying that 99% of anime fans download illegally is a bit much. I think it's just that the bootleggers enjoy being vocal and oddly proud about it. Many of them do tend to skew towards the younger side and all.

About point 3, well, yes, there are some anime fans who ONLY love animation/comics from Japan. But I'm not one of 'em. I'm an animation fan in general (well...2D anyways.) As long as it's cute and interesting I don't really care where it came from.
Concurently though, there are some people online who hate ANYTHING from Japan. This comes up in rpg gaming a lot. Whenever a story is badly told, some folks tend to write it off as that "Crappy Japanime." I saw someone say this about Grandia 3. Um... no, it wasn't because it was trying to be "crappy Japanime" it was because it was a badly told story.


Well, anyways, welcome to the board jdr0884.

[MrNice]

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disarm said:
I'm 90% sure you just went and posted this on all sorts of forums at once

[/ QUOTE ]Yes, confirmed, cross posted to animenation as a minimum.

[Texhnolyze]

I'm sure you thought you had a great rally cry of a post against the evil fansubbers but your arguments are tired, old, and highly exaggerated, and some of them have no merit at all. What's this crap about otakus making fun of Jewish people? Seriously WTF? And how can you really prove that fansubs do not promote anime in any way?

It sounds like you've just had some bad experiences with anime fans in your "community" (whatever that means), so you're taking it out on everyone.

[treatment]

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Mr. Nice said:
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disarm said:
I'm 90% sure you just went and posted this on all sorts of forums at once

[/ QUOTE ]Yes, confirmed, cross posted to animenation as a minimum.

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So, it IS spamming. I vote for a thread-lock.

[Sheena]

Very narrow minded rant. I second the lock idea.

Most points are extreme and no basis is provided for them, just anecdotes at best. Especially, 4) and 5) are virtually irrelevant. There are all kind of people even among otakus. Generalizing and calling otakus as a group for the alledged faults of a few is both a false representation and discredits the OP.

Most points are pretty arguable, especially considering the amount of facts provided. Many of us buy our animes 100% legit, R1 and other regions. Many rent their anime DVDs which is also legal.

And as far as fansubs are concerned, I've bought countless shows I wouldn't have due to fansubs (latest example was Ichigo Mashimaro). And I know that goes for many other, on these boards and elsewhere. Those aren't substitutes for regular R1 release. Poor encodes and subs, no extras, no dubs, no box, fansubs are good for previewing shows but they're not gonna cut it for anime you want to keep. Anyway, some people will use them as cheap substitutes but I'm not sure they'd buy them anyway and they might not even have become fans if not for the extra exposure. Also, some otakus are using fansubs that way now based on their lack of money for the hobby. As that gets better a few years later, they may still be hooked and shift to more legitimate practices. So even in the worst case, it's not black and white as OP ranted on the issue.

[Gatts]

Hmm... since this does appear to be posted on AnimeNation forums and it does not appear that the original poster is actually participating in the thread at all, I don't see a problem with locking this one.

If you wish to discuss this rant, feel free to do so on the AN forums.