When does ero become to much?

[Lego]

Now I'm no stranger to Ero at all. For those who might not know what Ero is, wikipedia describes it as:

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Also, the term "ero", short for "erotic" but closer in meaning to "porn", is now used more often instead of "H".

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Being a fan of anime and hentai magazine anthologies for a while, you see the wide rang of fetishes, and different types of ero. From the usual fetishes of big breasts, panties, different hair colors and so on to the unusual fetishes like scat, gore, and even humiliation. I made a thread a while back about fetishes that people didn't get when it came to anime, but that got me thinking. There are times when even with my "been there, done that" attitude, I have to turn something off, or I can't sit through it. Titles like "Dark Love" and others are things that make me stop watching after the first "scene" or so. The same can be said for doujin or eromanga where it's "oh look, her spleen is showing".

I mean I can see the appeal that it has to some people, like lolicon or tentacles, but it becomes overwhelming(to me) or just a turn off when certain things are introduced. I've never been a fan of the "rough" scenes that seem so common in ero these days. I'm all for shows like Lingeries, but seeing more stuff when it's "stick a nice looking woman in a room with four fat, ugly guys who look disgusting" makes me cringe. I understand that a release is trying to appeal to a large audience, and that they wouldn't make it it if someone wasn't buying it, but it bothers me I guess. So I started thinking about the subject in general, and found it interesting enough to make a post about it.

When viewing any type of Ero(yeh, like I'm the only guy on this board who has seen ero anime, games, or manga) what is it that makes you "step away from the table" if you will?

[Curse_7781]

I would say that beastility, guro, and toture are the big "No-No's" that would make me go "Whoa, I got to stop watching this one" /images/graemlins/depresse.gif

I don't have to worry about incest because most of the japanese hentai studios don't go "all the way" into it. Its usually "step-family" aspect and such. If I remembered correctly, the limit most ero or hentai goes to is the whole "cousin" aspect which I don't understand really considering it is the same thing. /images/graemlins/knowital.gif

Tentacles are also a "hell-no" thing for me, never understood the attraction but hey, whatever floats a person's boat.

Lolicon? Um, I would prefer if the female character have small breasts and is a small size than have them look exactly like a kid. I know I feel completely weird-out everytime hentai has this aspect because of the debate of it all. John from animenation discussed this aspect in his column a few days ago (http://animenation.net/news/askjohn.php?id=1372).

Rape is a conflict for me considering 75% of the time the woman ends up enjoying it and becomes submissive. Plus how it leads up to it also is a factor in my enjoyment of the title. I really stay away those titles if its contains the more "realistic" rape scenarios. /images/graemlins/depresse.gif

Enhance the Trance,
Curse

[Splitter]

Interesting article link, Curse. I enjoyed it very much.

The big ones for me are beastiality, guro, humiliation... basically anything that involves one of the two parties in horrendous pain, physical and/or emotional. Most ecchi anime that I have seen is rather tasteful when you look at what comes out of hentai these days. A truckload of panty shots, changing scenes, and maybe some topless nudity, but that's as far as it usually goes. Hentai breaks all limits, and usually portrays some of the most vile things in human nature as a turn-on. Example: Night Shift Nurses.

Furthermore, I personally abhor the idea of a woman being treated as an object. If I'm going to watch a sex scene, I want it to be consensual and loving, otherwise I'm backing out.

As you can tell, hentai in and of itself really isn't my bag of chips.

[Rhodes]

hmmm I'd have to say nothing.

Before I got into anime I was into comics... standard DC Marvel stuff then into the more mature/adult DC and indie releases... Faust, Cry for Dawn and the like... Then into the Eros line.

Seen all the countdown manga, the bondage faries, super taboo, princess of darkness? (I think that was the title about the magic book and the bookworm girl...) and more and none of that phased me and with the ero anime and games so far its all pretty tame? I guess.

Its all fiction.

Have to admit I did do a double take once or twice but its nothing big.

It helps that its all just art work drawn by some artist. I dont like or find attractive the crapping or pissing parts of Hentai shows... but its not real so its not that bad. Like when you see/read the panel about the girl getting rapped by dogs... thats not nice nor erotic but it is very well drawn and does impact the story.

I dont buy live action porn... I just dont find it interesting watching someone else have sex. But I do buy hentai cause of the art and cause its fake and that it can do things you cant do live action... no one gets hurt. As such I have a very high tolerance and so far I havent come across anything I would say is too much. Course I dont touch yayoi; dick girls or crossdressing guys? I saw plenty of in Countdown and am ok with but that was Hiroyuki Utatane art. Not sure if I'll be ok with that if it was by someone else.

The artwork and character designs is very important to me and thats one of the reasons I buy ero shows and books.

[Citizen Klaus]

As long as there's no gore or <font color="brown">unko</font> and the artwork's nice, it's all golden. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[aquapermanence]

For me it becomes too much when it involves grotesque bodily mutilation, although piercings and tattoos can be very arousing when used correctly.

Unfortunately, I have yet to see the erotic anime that goes in the fetishistic directions I'd like to see without getting too extreme. What I would personally like to see is a show that's not only able to incorporate consenting bondage/submission situations, but is also willing to explore the internal motivations of a deliberately submissive female. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif Like Ai Yori Aoshi, but with ball gags. (Utena had some very nice ball gags, but people kept talking through them. ::rimshot::)

It seems like it's always a tradeoff... either the characters don't stay on-model, the animation gets cheap suddenly, or they don't seem to put the effort I'd like into the presentation. The whole "pack of nondescript men with no eyes" gets annoying, but so does the whole habit of putting a bunch of slightly different looking girls in the same uniform and having them orgy it up.

There are plenty of titles that I definitely appreciate for their willingness to be clever or original--Mystery of Nonomura Hospital and Spaceship Agga Ruter certainly come to mind as shows that employ a unique and entertaining format instead of the basic "we just met so let's have sex" premise. But like with many non-H titles, none of them hit the right mark for me--they're either too subtle or too explicit.

One of the few that hits almost all the right marks for me is Mezzo Forte--and of course the drawback to that one is that the sex scenes are all <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>faked, thus having no impact on the story</span>. It's the same thing that bothered me about the Sailor Moon Super S movie--the climactic scene is <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>entirely internal to one character; its consequences are at best relegated to a sequel that has yet to be made</span>.

[Nork22]

Scat and necrophilia. Everything is childs play. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

[DocWatson]

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Rhodes said:
princess of darkness? (I think that was the title about the magic book and the bookworm girl...)

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Correct (http://milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?title=63764362076). It was one of the first MangErotica releases.

[Johnny]

When does it become too much? Well first off I've found over the years that ero or whatever you want to call it (hentai, J-porn etc) has catered to my "tastes" more than any other medium from any other country. If there's one country that does fetishes well across different form of media, it's Japan.

Personally, I think I discovered what would be "too much" or at least make me feel slightly uneasy recently. I'm following Kamen Rider Kabuto fansubbed and the younger sister of the main character is really cute and adorable etc, but she is only 13 in real life. Out of curiosity I did a search to see if she had any Idol DVD's and she does, made when she was 12 years old.
I could pass it off as Moe or whatever, but I know if I ordered that DVD, I would feel weird as a 20-something, sitting down to watch a 12 year old parade in a swimsuit and bikini. It's not so much a sexual thing, but to me, it wouldn't feel right.

Similarly, although I do like "busty" hentai and J-Porn girls (see: Sora Aoi), I also like "loli-looking" ones but whenever I go to check out loli hentai or whatever, I usually back off, sticking to the 18+ girls who look too young rather than the ones who are definitely too young.

That's just me personally though and I'm by no means knowcking anyone else's preferences.

[DocWatson]

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aquapermanence said:
Unfortunately, I have yet to see the erotic anime that goes in the fetishistic directions I'd like to see without getting too extreme. What I would personally like to see is a show that's not only able to incorporate consenting bondage/submission situations, but is also willing to explore the internal motivations of a deliberately submissive female. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif Like Ai Yori Aoshi, but with ball gags.

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What about (NSFW) Maid In Heaven (http://adultsourcemedia.com/titles/MIH001.html) (also: volume 2 (http://adultsourcemedia.com/titles/MIH002.html))?

For me, the turn offs include physical and/or mental abuse, feces and urine, rape, and characters who are not in control of themselves (e.g., mindless nymphomaniacs—I find lusty sentience much sexier). I'm certain there are others, but I can't think of them at the moment.

[chloes_fork]

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aquapermanence said:
What I would personally like to see is a show that's not only able to incorporate consenting bondage/submission situations, but is also willing to explore the internal motivations of a deliberately submissive female. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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People are probably sick of me pimping this title, but if you haven't checked out Maid in Heaven, it sounds like you should. For the first volume at least, it's all consensual D/s, and includes an alternate dialog track called "intimate thoughts" that is exclusively the girl's words and thoughts throughout the proceedings -- almost like a mental commentary track. Not that there's a wealth of psychological depth to it or anything, but it's probably the closest thing you're going to find in hentai to what you just described.

(Edit: Ah, I see DocWatson beat me to it.)

As for what's "too much" for me in hentai, I've become inured to a lot of stuff, but I could still do without the obsession with defloration, particularly in nonconsensual situations. Blood isn't high on my list of turnons.

[KShinjo]

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Lego said:

When viewing any type of Ero(yeh, like I'm the only guy on this board who has seen ero anime, games, or manga) what is it that makes you "step away from the table" if you will?

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I hate anything involving disfiguration, dismemberment, mutilation, and the sort. It's starting to creep into non-ero anime/manga and I don't like it. I also hate ero involving single digit age year characters and those looking like it. These 2 themes are the ones I can't stand. Everything else I can pretty much handle.

[Isuzu Inugami]

Heh. The beauty of ero is how it caters to everything, but of course the drawback is that sooner or later you'll run into something you really wish you hadn't. But it's all just ink on paper (or cels), so nothing really bothers me per se, on some sort of existential level. There are things I just don't find erotic, or which drain all the eroticism out the moment they appear. Mutilation or snuff--sex is supposed to be fun, you know? Realistic rape (as opposed to the usual rape fantasy, where the victim ends up enjoying it), and parent child incest turn me right off as well. Sibling incest is kind of romantic, though. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[aquapermanence]

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DocWatson said:
What about (NSFW) Maid In Heaven (http://adultsourcemedia.com/titles/MIH001.html) (also: volume 2 (http://adultsourcemedia.com/titles/MIH002.html))?

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It's been recommended to me, and the review certainly makes it sound appealing. I just haven't had the chance to see it yet; my access to hentai is sporadic enough that I basically have to take what I can get, but I do keep titles like this in mind in case the opportunity presents itself.

One thing that turns me off immensely is when intricately-clothed characters are about to have sex and are instantly naked. Sex in nice clothing definitely helps a show stand out more, and cutting to nudes all of a sudden just feels cheap. (To misquote Naoko Takeuchi, nudes are so easy to draw it's like hardly doing any work at all.) It's rare enough to see characters actually dressing and undressing--I'd at least like to get a little striptease out of hentai once in a while.

[kakugo]

Thus far... I can't remember a show that's made me walk away for being "disgusting" or "offensive". Give me badly written and badly animated or just plain not sexy ero-anime and I'll be gone like that.

In all seriousness, I'm a huge fan of Toshio MAEDA's works (Urotsukidoji, La Blue Girl, Demon Beast Invasion) and the generation of adult entertainment that inspired. I think AIRU MANIAX is an excellent show, I think Bondage Game deserves a US release, I'm upset that Twin Angels is still only available hacked to pieces, and I can't get enough of shows like Blood Royal or A-KITE or Night Shift Nurses or Legend of the Blue Wolves or Orgy of the Fallen Angels (the last of which was never released in the US). And I happen to think that Waita Uziga is one of the most amazing artists I've ever seen... and if you can so much as get past his covers you need a pretty exceptional tolerance for nastiness, trust me.

All that having been said, some of the shows I've loved have sent my wife running. Being a fan of La Blue Girl, Jiburiru and Beat Angel Escalayer she's not particularly easy to disgust, but drop in the bloated hideous school director in Temptation (Yuuwaku) or start getting to the massive unsou chomping finale of Blood Royal 1 and she's gone. (She actually likes both of these shows... she just can't stand to watch those particular scenes.) She also made it through all 10 episodes of Night Shift Nurses... but I think she only made it through the last because she couldn't bear to do much of anything but stare in a sort of traumatized state.

Yes, I'm a horrible man. But at least I know what I like. Anyone can make incredibly offensive pornography, but I could care less how graphic the show is if it has neither the story nor the artistic talent and quality to back it up. Sometimes a script is good enough that I can forgive bad animation, and sometimes animation is so good I can forgive a bad script, but even the greatest wank fodder is no better than the storyline or style holding it together. Some ero is just awful, some of it is a masterpiece. The content therein should be almost a moot point.

Of course I'm also incredibly jaded, so factor that in before taking any of my advice. I am a horrible man, you know. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

[Rhodes]

nice i have 1st prints of those /images/graemlins/happy.gif

wish there was more story to follow up on it.

[Gatts]

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DocWatson said:
What about (NSFW) Maid In Heaven (http://adultsourcemedia.com/titles/MIH001.html) (also: volume 2 (http://adultsourcemedia.com/titles/MIH002.html))?


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Maid in Heaven seems quite popular recently. There are other consentual bondage titles out there though. Gekka Bijin (Maison Plaisir), Natural (Teacher's Pet), Ryokan Shirasagi (Swallowtail Inn), Mibojin (in Mibojin, the women are druging the guy to change his personality), Genmukan, and even parts of Daiakuji although it's about 50-50 in terms of con/non-con.

Heck, some of the "slave/rape" shows become consentual shows by the end and I'm not just talking about the "rape them till they like it" thing either. Most of them are the training/blackmail hentai like Slave Sisters, Blood Royale, and to a point Hokago ~Nureta Seifuku~ (After Class Lesson). Although that last one falls under the rape them till they like it category, the women convert over to the "I like it side" without much convincing.

Then there's the weird ones like Ai Shimai (Immoral Sisters), Enbo (Taboo Charming Mother), and Aniyome (My Brother's Wife) where there's some no then lots of yes then some no then back to yes.

[ape2020]

Okay I guess I keep this mostly to hentai manga as that is were I've seen the darkest most sicko stuff. At different points in time I've found myself looking at many different things gore, unko, lolicon, beastility, rape, and even some stuff that defies logic. The only ones that will mostly likely turn me off each time is focused unko and the dispicable toddlercon (yes it is what it sounds like).

I'll name off two artists that I'm sure a few around here will know that I'll had some fasanation with: Machida Hiraku (lolicon) and Uziga Waita (gore). Both have a unique style and seem to try to include a story of some type. Yet both are sometimes very hard for me to justify my interest in. Still I collect them and some others in a wide variety of genre to sorta of balance the extreme hardcore visions with the more sweetly tender fluff.

Maybe I'm just kidding myself but thats how I see it, to me its just fantasies. Dark fantasies but fantasies none the less.

-chimp1010

[vtr9kvictor]

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Lego said:
Now I'm no stranger to Ero at all. For those who might not know what Ero is, wikipedia describes it as:

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Also, the term "ero", short for "erotic" but closer in meaning to "porn", is now used more often instead of "H".

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Being a fan of anime and hentai magazine anthologies for a while, you see the wide rang of fetishes, and different types of ero. From the usual fetishes of big breasts, panties, different hair colors and so on to the unusual fetishes like scat, gore, and even humiliation. I made a thread a while back about fetishes that people didn't get when it came to anime, but that got me thinking. There are times when even with my "been there, done that" attitude, I have to turn something off, or I can't sit through it. Titles like "Dark Love" and others are things that make me stop watching after the first "scene" or so. The same can be said for doujin or eromanga where it's "oh look, her spleen is showing".

I mean I can see the appeal that it has to some people, like lolicon or tentacles, but it becomes overwhelming(to me) or just a turn off when certain things are introduced. I've never been a fan of the "rough" scenes that seem so common in ero these days. I'm all for shows like Lingeries, but seeing more stuff when it's "stick a nice looking woman in a room with four fat, ugly guys who look disgusting" makes me cringe. I understand that a release is trying to appeal to a large audience, and that they wouldn't make it it if someone wasn't buying it, but it bothers me I guess. So I started thinking about the subject in general, and found it interesting enough to make a post about it.

When viewing any type of Ero(yeh, like I'm the only guy on this board who has seen ero anime, games, or manga) what is it that makes you "step away from the table" if you will?

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Rape kills it for me everytime. And usually scat and watersports. I just don't get the attraction.

[vtr9kvictor]

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Gatts said:
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DocWatson said:
What about (NSFW) Maid In Heaven (http://adultsourcemedia.com/titles/MIH001.html) (also: volume 2 (http://adultsourcemedia.com/titles/MIH002.html))?


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Maid in Heaven seems quite popular recently. There are other consentual bondage titles out there though. Gekka Bijin (Maison Plaisir), Natural (Teacher's Pet), Ryokan Shirasagi (Swallowtail Inn), Mibojin (in Mibojin, the women are druging the guy to change his personality), Genmukan, and even parts of Daiakuji although it's about 50-50 in terms of con/non-con.

Heck, some of the "slave/rape" shows become consentual shows by the end and I'm not just talking about the "rape them till they like it" thing either. Most of them are the training/blackmail hentai like Slave Sisters, Blood Royale, and to a point Hokago ~Nureta Seifuku~ (After Class Lesson). Although that last one falls under the rape them till they like it category, the women convert over to the "I like it side" without much convincing.

Then there's the weird ones like Ai Shimai (Immoral Sisters), Enbo (Taboo Charming Mother), and Aniyome (My Brother's Wife) where there's some no then lots of yes then some no then back to yes.

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The Immoral Sisters dub was SO BAD I spent the entire time I watched it laughing my ass off! It remains the only instance when I enjoyed a show that featured rape so strongly.

And Genmuken - those character designs were BEAUTIFUL. Especially the maid. She was SO HOT!! I wish that team would make a non-hentai series.

[Lego]

If I remember correctly, Tony Taka did the designs for Genmuken. He has a great style, but mostly does ero (http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/i/taka_tony/)(site NSFW) stuff.

[pianocello]

I'm okay with most hentai but Princess 69 really crosses the line into what I'd call bad taste.

[Isuzu Inugami]

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Chimp1010 said:
the dispicable toddlercon (yes it is what it sounds like).


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*twitch* Yeah, that's just... bleh. I have to wonder if it's done to be absurd, or if that's really the artist's fetish.

Personally, I prefer the characters to be drawn as if they're adults...

Which means they probably end up in a high school setting...

Which turns out to be middle school when you actually read it...

uhhh....

[SamTheMan]

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piano_cello_conducting said:
I'm okay with most hentai but Princess 69 really crosses the line into what I'd call bad taste.

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The second DVD was beyond bad, and even I had problems watching it... But the first PR69 and the new Midnight Gymnastics (I'm waiting for this one like there's no womorrow /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif) are OK, because there's not that much "torture"... Man, PR69: Midnight Gymnastics wins my hentai of the year -prize this year /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif