Should Tenchi Muyo go yuri?

[J-Syxx]

Ok, stupid thread time. I'm thinking maybe they could do another anime in an alternate time-line not connected to the others and replace the shounen harem cliches with shoujo-ai. Simular things have been done before, say with Steel Angel Kurumi II and Mai Otome. I know Kajishima has the reigns now so thats unlikely, but lets say he leaves the series again.

I like Tenchi Muyo, but I think the weakest link of the entire show is Tenchi himself. Hes a boring weakling made so the virgin nerds who watch the show have someone to identify with. The interesting characters are the girls who have much more personality. I say we take "No Need For Tenchi" literally and cast him completely out of the show all together.

I don't know if we should neccesarily make it a girl/girl harem show either. Maybe experiement with the possible slash pairings in it, make Kiyone/Mihoshi canon and possilby explore a Ryoko/Ayeka love/hate relationship as oposed to a hate/hate relationship. Or maybe throw in some more random ones in there with the other girls, reintroduce some other characters from Tenchi lore like Nagi, or create a few new characters for ever more possibilities.

I know hardcore Tenchi fans would probably have a heart attack over this, but who cares? You would always have the OVA and the other shows. Nothing would change that. Thoughts?

[Captain Impulse]

I'm a firm believer in that all series should go yuri. But hey, that's me. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

I'm a fan of Tenchi Muyo though, and if they're gonna slap the Tenchi name on it, well, Tenchi needs to somehow be turned into a girl through one of Washu's inventions or something. Otherwise I'd rather they leave the franchise alone; I enjoyed Tenchi Muyo GXP, but they've done enough damage already.

[J-Syxx]

I don't think I really want to see Tenchi as a girl. /images/graemlins/stunned0.gif I say do what some other series did and make him into an animal like a dog. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

[Njr Scrawl]

A Washuu-Ryoko yuri relationship would be /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif

[pianocello]

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Captain Impulse said:
I'm a firm believer in that all series should go yuri. But hey, that's me. /images/graemlins/wink.gif


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Anyhow, I'd enjoy Tenchi Muyo much better if we didn't have so much of the girls fighting over one boring guy. The show is more successful when it focuses on the sci-fi action aspect and the villains are great too. If Tenchi Masaki died and Ryoko hooked up with Aeka, the show would be MUCHHHH better.

[crosbie394]

Sasami/Washu for the lolita win!

[touma]

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Dinco said:
I don't think I really want to see Tenchi as a girl. /images/graemlins/stunned0.gif I say do what some other series did and make him into an animal like a dog. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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How about:

Ryo-oh-ki stays in her "human" form for some little loli lesbian action with Sasami. /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif
And Tenchi becomes...the resident cabbot. Washu could do that.
It works for me. /images/graemlins/devil.gif

[DanielJr]

NO!!

God no.

[Puppet Master]

No just no

[populuxe]

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Wrath of the Njr said:
A Washuu-Ryoko yuri relationship would be

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incestuous.

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Mike Dungan said:
incestuous.

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Name me a pairing in Tenchi that isn't.

[Mr. Nail Bat]

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Mike Dungan said:
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Wrath of the Njr said:
A Washuu-Ryoko yuri relationship would be

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incestulicious.

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Fixed it for you.

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monika said:
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Mike Dungan said:
incestuous.

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Name me a pairing in Tenchi that isn't.

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I KNOW. I didn't really catch it all in the Toonami airing, but after watching the uncut episode and reading the timeline and finding out how many of the characters were related, I was thinking OMG WTF???!111!

As for making everyone lesbians... My shoujo-ai freak side says yes, but my canon-loyalty side says... maybe.

[Shsway]

I like Tenchi the way he is, not to mention the show (though I would have down some serious revamping and story board-updating to Tenchi in Tokyo). I seriously doubt that the show would be any better with the title character being a female.

If I had to pick a pair that should have gone true shoujo-ai/yuri, than yeah, it would have to be Ayeka and Ryoko. There was certainly enough development to support it, and a fair amount of subtext throughout the franchise.

[populuxe]

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monika said:
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Mike Dungan said:
incestuous.

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Name me a pairing in Tenchi that isn't.

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TenchixWashu or TenchixRyoko. Or really, Ryoko or Washu with anyone other than themselves. If I'm allowed to go beyond the OVAs, then KiyonexAnyone. But yes, you've got a point. TenchxAnyone from the Jurai family is definitely incestuous. Or "incestulicious" as Geoduck put it.

[Mr. Nail Bat]

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Mike Dungan said:
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monika said:
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Mike Dungan said:
incestuous.

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Name me a pairing in Tenchi that isn't.

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TenchixWashu or TenchixRyoko. Or really, Ryoko or Washu with anyone other than themselves. If I'm allowed to go beyond the OVAs, then KiyonexAnyone. But yes, you've got a point. TenchxAnyone from the Jurai family is definitely incestuous. Or "incestulicious" as Geoduck put it.

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Except for Misaki. I think she's the only one with no blood relation to Tenchi (that we know about).

[tuffy]

Obligatory. (http://home.comcast.net/~b.langenb/tas.jpg)

[crosbie394]

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Mike Dungan said:
TenchixWashu or TenchixRyoko. Or really, Ryoko or Washu with anyone other than themselves. If I'm allowed to go beyond the OVAs, then KiyonexAnyone. But yes, you've got a point. TenchxAnyone from the Jurai family is definitely incestuous. Or "incestulicious" as Geoduck put it.

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well; I really am being pedantic now.

If you say Sasami is Tsunami, then washu is actually Sasami and Ayeka's sister, so more incest can go on. If you then say that Ryoo is Washu's daughter, then it can continue even further!!

Plus, Tenchi is the result of an incestuos relationship between his mother and father. Yosho may be noboyukis father in law, but he is also his great-great-great...grandfather., so in a sense, he maried his great-great-great....aunt.

Here is a family tree I use for reference (http://tmau.fateback.com/articles/family_tree.gif)

[Lego]

I still like the Tenchi x Ryoko pairing. But eh, I'm the guy that would love to see a Urd pairing in AMG, so take it as you wish heh.

[The Great Bear]

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Lego said:
I still like the Tenchi x Ryoko pairing. But eh, I'm the guy that would love to see a Urd pairing in AMG, so take it as you wish heh.

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Nothing wrong with Urd. Nothing at all. /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif

Oh, yeah, this is a Tenchi thread. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

Umm. Perhaps it would benefit from some yuri, but only because it has pretty much run out of story to tell. Basically, what is there left? And I am not bashing on the franchise here, having sat through all of it, both canon and not (Universe and Tokyo). Perhaps it's just time that Techi picked one girl, and then the rest could pair up with each other as they pleased.
Happy Ending, everything settled, cue closing theme, roll credits.

[Daniel_Perales]

Why ruin a good thing?


Danny

[Amasawa]

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Dinco said:
I like Tenchi Muyo, but I think the weakest link of the entire show is Tenchi himself. Hes a boring weakling made so the virgin nerds who watch the show have someone to identify with. The interesting characters are the girls who have much more personality. I say we take "No Need For Tenchi" literally and cast him completely out of the show all together.

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I don't really agree that Tenchi is boring or weak. He is actually one of the strongest in power. He just doesn't put on a macho act for the world. It is the weak and scared who have to put on the bravado to make the world think they are tough. The truly powerful don't need to.

As is pointed out in Shin Tenchi, he does a very good job of keeping some very powerful women from causing trouble in the universe.

However, that doesn't mean I don't think a Ryoko/Ayeka affair wouldn't be fun.

[Amasawa]

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Wrath of the Njr said:
A Washuu-Ryoko yuri relationship would be /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif

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Washu is Ryoko's mother/creator. That would just seem like Washu had made a sex doll for herself. Where's the fun it that? You need some tension for a good hot relationship, and Washu has total control over Ryoko.

A Washu/Ayeka relationship would involve much more interesting political implications. However, Washu is really of the older generation. Perhaps she and Ayeka's mother...

Ryoko and Ayeka are already so close to a yuri couple, I can't see pairing either of them with someone else.

To go contrary to the thread, a Tenchi/Washu affair would be interesting. Both have extraordinary power.

[Amasawa]

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masaki86 said:
Sasami/Washu for the lolita win!

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Since they are both goddesses (Sasami is, after all, Tsunami), that could have some interesting special effects.

[J-Syxx]

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Amasawa said:
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Dinco said:
I like Tenchi Muyo, but I think the weakest link of the entire show is Tenchi himself. Hes a boring weakling made so the virgin nerds who watch the show have someone to identify with. The interesting characters are the girls who have much more personality. I say we take "No Need For Tenchi" literally and cast him completely out of the show all together.

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I don't really agree that Tenchi is boring or weak. He is actually one of the strongest in power. He just doesn't put on a macho act for the world. It is the weak and scared who have to put on the bravado to make the world think they are tough. The truly powerful don't need to.

As is pointed out in Shin Tenchi, he does a very good job of keeping some very powerful women from causing trouble in the universe.

However, that doesn't mean I don't think a Ryoko/Ayeka affair wouldn't be fun.

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Well obviously he isn't a weakling in fights and so on. Most main guys in harem shows have hidden, ueber magical powers. What I'm talking about is his regular personality. Heres a typical Tenchi scene, perhaps very slightly exaggerated:

*One of the girls sticks her breasts in his face* *Tenchi screams like a girl, blood squirts out of his nose, and then he hides under his bed.*

That kinda stuff gets old to me. And the saintly chaste, "I could never decide between you" persona he puts on just makes him more annoying. Its not that he isn't macho. Theres non-macho male protagonists, say like Miki from Utena, who I find completely believable and far less annoying than Tenchi.

[GanChan]

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If you say Sasami is Tsunami, then washu is actually Sasami and Ayeka's sister, so more incest can go on. If you then say that Ryoo is Washu's daughter, then it can continue even further!!



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Would Sasami/Tsunami count as masturbation?

[AbeChinchilla]

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Amasawa said:
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masaki86 said:
Sasami/Washu for the lolita win!

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Since they are both goddesses (Sasami is, after all, Tsunami), that could have some interesting special effects.

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Also incestual, in a sense.

[AbeChinchilla]

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If you say Sasami is Tsunami, then washu is actually Sasami and Ayeka's sister, so more incest can go on. If you then say that Ryoo is Washu's daughter, then it can continue even further!!



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Would Sasami/Tsunami count as masturbation?

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In OVA, yes.
In Pretty Sammy, no.

[aquapermanence]

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monika said:
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Mike Dungan said:
incestuous.

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Name me a pairing in Tenchi that isn't.

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Azaka and Kamidake.

[Shsway]

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aquapermanence said:
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monika said:
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Mike Dungan said:
incestuous.

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Name me a pairing in Tenchi that isn't.

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Azaka and Kamidake.

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I've just been inspired to draw some doujinshi.

[Lumberjack]

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aquapermanence said:
Azaka and Kamidake.

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In "log form", they could have been cut from the same tree.. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

[Captain Impulse]

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Lumberjack said:
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aquapermanence said:
Azaka and Kamidake.

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In "log form", they could have been cut from the same tree.. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Not surprised that comment came from someone calling themselves "Lumberjack".

[DanielJr]

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aquapermanence said:
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monika said:
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Mike Dungan said:
incestuous.

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Name me a pairing in Tenchi that isn't.

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Azaka and Kamidake.

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Hahahaha... that'll give you a real wooder.

GET IT??

[something]

As great and wonderful as yuri is, it's becoming more and more common in shows (yay), so it's not as rare as it might have been before. So, no need to really get Tenchi all yuri'd up or anything. Don't mess with a good thing, I guess. Well, not that I've cared about Tenchi since Universe...

[Rhodes]

i see your into incest anime :0

i prefer a ryoko and ayeka one... that'll leave sasami with tenchi.

[Dagger]

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tuffy said:
Obligatory. (http://home.comcast.net/~b.langenb/tas.jpg)

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You have no idea how long I've been looking for a nice screencap of that scene. Thank you, good sir! /images/graemlins/happy.gif

[Lego]

Kiyone and Mihoshi give me that vibe(the topic made me rewatch some of my Tench DVD's). The only thing that really bugs me about Tenchi is that other then himself and whomever, no one else gets "paired off" in the main cast.

[Vallen Valiant]

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Lego said:
Kiyone and Mihoshi give me that vibe(the topic made me rewatch some of my Tench DVD's). The only thing that really bugs me about Tenchi is that other then himself and whomever, no one else gets "paired off" in the main cast.

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Are you sure? Tenchi's dad got remarried, and Mihoshi's brother got married to a colleague.

Anyway, there is a good reason all these girls are willing to waste their time hanging around Tenchi; he is a bloody good catch!
Tenchi is a skilled fighter, reliable, honest, hard working, second-in-line to be the next Emperor of Jurai (the most powerful nation in the Galaxy), and he is slowly evolving into the most powerful GOD in the multiverse.

Seriously, what makes you think any of the girl in the show would be willing to give him up? /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

And did I mention Jurainian customs permit polygamy? /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif

[Lego]

You made my point though heh. Tenchi's dad(well he is a semi main character) and Mishoshi's brother. I'm mainly talking about the main and supporting female cast though, but I get your point heh.

[Vallen Valiant]

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Lego said:
You made my point though heh. Tenchi's dad(well he is a semi main character) and Mishoshi's brother. I'm mainly talking about the main and supporting female cast though, but I get your point heh.

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Well, unless Tenchi actively picks a girl, the others will still hang around. The females in the TM world are highly competitive, and don't settle for second-best.

As it was shown in TMGXP, a mass-wedding is a possible conclusion for all this. But on record, the director said Tenchi is not inclined to change his current relationship with anyone in the house right now.

Ironically, I believe the only way Tenchi will make his decision is when one of the girls is on the verge of leaving. If he can no longer have the stats quo, Tenchi will then actively think about the future.

The fact that everyone in the house are technically immortal, and as such there is no urgency, means it might be eighty years before that happens.

Keep in mind that even if Tenchi marries every single eligible female in the main cast at the moment, his Harem would still be smaller than Sena's of GXP fame. (albeit, Tenchi's brides would be ten times more deadly in a fight than Sena's.)

[DanielJr]

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Vallen Chaos Valiant said:And did I mention Jurainian customs permit polygamy? /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif

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I'm telling you the only way to end this series is for Tenchi to marry all the girls like his <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>rather "unlucky" neighbor</span> did.

[Captain Impulse]

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DanielJr said:
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Vallen Chaos Valiant said:And did I mention Jurainian customs permit polygamy? /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif

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I'm telling you the only way to end this series is for Tenchi to marry all the girls like his <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>rather "unlucky" neighbor</span> did.

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...and that's one of the reasons I actually liked GXP. One word: Resolution!

[DanielJr]

Amen brotha, amen.

Though I'm still a Tenchi nut regardless. I've seen the OVA over 9 times, and I'm gonna see it again once I get volume 2 of OVA three in my hands. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

[Suwako Moriya]

The answer is maybe. A new series with yuri as the theme can be good. However there would have to be more to the series than "Look all we did was remove Tenchi and have Ryoko molest Ayeka". It would have to be able to stand on its own. Other wise it will come off as desperate.

[Captain Impulse]

Alright, we can leave the Tenchi franchise alone. Now I remember someone mentioning a possible third "Onegai/Please" series, involving a girl/girl couple. I'd be ok with that. Yeah, lets do that instead. Please?

[pianocello]

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Captain Impulse said:
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DanielJr said:
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Vallen Chaos Valiant said:And did I mention Jurainian customs permit polygamy? /images/graemlins/noseblef.gif

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I'm telling you the only way to end this series is for Tenchi to marry all the girls like his <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>rather "unlucky" neighbor</span> did.

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...and that's one of the reasons I actually liked GXP. One word: Resolution!

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Not to mention that Seina Yamada is actually a more interesting character than Tenchi who probably less personality than a block of wood.

To be fair, he lives in a universe where wood has a lot of personality.

[J-Syxx]

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disarm said:
As great and wonderful as yuri is, it's becoming more and more common in shows (yay), so it's not as rare as it might have been before. So, no need to really get Tenchi all yuri'd up or anything. Don't mess with a good thing, I guess. Well, not that I've cared about Tenchi since Universe...

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Well this wouldn't be the first time they really messed with it. There was Pretty Sammy and all her sequels of course. I was thinking of something like that. Taking the same charcters and crafting a completely different story out of it.

And as for more yuri coming out. The problem with that is I don't find many of the characters in new yuri characters very intersesting or likeable. Yes, I'm looking at you Kannazuki No Miko. It wouldn't be a problem if there were plenty of shows with casts as lively as Tenchi. The only one I can think of is Battle Athletes Victory, another AIC show. I do thank the yuri goddess for that show on a daily basis, but I don't think they'll ever make more of it. /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

[Vallen Valiant]

As was once explained by the staff of TM!, the reason why this series was made to begin with was because the director wanted to have a hotsprings episode for the original Bubblegum Crisis OVAs, but was unable to achieve it before the show ended.

Instead, he began a new anime project, which allowed him to have as many hotsprings scenes as he wants.

I am dead serious. Why do you think we have hotsprings scenes ALL THE TIME in Tenchi-Muyo?
(no, I am not joking.)

[J-Syxx]

Ironically, Bubblegum Crisis was pretty femmeslashy, and then he went on to make help make Battle Athletes and El Hazard which are obvious shoujo-ai.

[Splitter]

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Dinco said:
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disarm said:
As great and wonderful as yuri is, it's becoming more and more common in shows (yay), so it's not as rare as it might have been before. So, no need to really get Tenchi all yuri'd up or anything. Don't mess with a good thing, I guess. Well, not that I've cared about Tenchi since Universe...

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Well this wouldn't be the first time they really messed with it. There was Pretty Sammy and all her sequels of course. I was thinking of something like that. Taking the same charcters and crafting a completely different story out of it.

And as for more yuri coming out. The problem with that is I don't find many of the characters in new yuri characters very intersesting or likeable. Yes, I'm looking at you Kannazuki No Miko. It wouldn't be a problem if there were plenty of shows with casts as lively as Tenchi. The only one I can think of is Battle Athletes Victory, another AIC show. I do thank the yuri goddess for that show on a daily basis, but I don't think they'll ever make more of it. /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

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How can you not find Kannazuki no Miko's Chikane, a girl that <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>bottles up her pent-up lesbian feelings so the girl she likes can go out with a guy, suffer through inner turmoil about what she should do, eventually RAPE the object her affection, come back and make up with her, then instigate her to kill her so that she won't feel guilty about killing her in a past life</span> interesting?

[J-Syxx]

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Dinco said:
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disarm said:
As great and wonderful as yuri is, it's becoming more and more common in shows (yay), so it's not as rare as it might have been before. So, no need to really get Tenchi all yuri'd up or anything. Don't mess with a good thing, I guess. Well, not that I've cared about Tenchi since Universe...

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Well this wouldn't be the first time they really messed with it. There was Pretty Sammy and all her sequels of course. I was thinking of something like that. Taking the same charcters and crafting a completely different story out of it.

And as for more yuri coming out. The problem with that is I don't find many of the characters in new yuri characters very intersesting or likeable. Yes, I'm looking at you Kannazuki No Miko. It wouldn't be a problem if there were plenty of shows with casts as lively as Tenchi. The only one I can think of is Battle Athletes Victory, another AIC show. I do thank the yuri goddess for that show on a daily basis, but I don't think they'll ever make more of it. /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

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How can you not find Kannazuki no Miko's Chikane, a girl that <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>bottles up her pent-up lesbian feelings so the girl she likes can go out with a guy, suffer through inner turmoil about what she should do, eventually RAPE the object her affection, come back and make up with her, then instigate her to kill her so that she won't feel guilty about killing her in a past life</span> interesting?

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Honestly, no I find Chikane's personality blah. I like yuri girls with personality like Akari Kanzaki and Ichino Yanagida. Chikane has no personality other than her obssession with Himeko. In fact the entire show was blah to me. Chikane and Himeko's (the cute moe stereotype) love story was putting me to sleep. As for the character development you mentioned, its pretentious and incredibly forced to me. The <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'> rape seemed more like trivalized fanservice for guys</span> and like a true shounen show, the only one who comes out of it not looking like a tool is the guy. I wasn't wowed by the the <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'> moon/sun allegory </span> either. To use allegory properly you're not supposed to spell it all out to the audeince and then beat them over the head with it (reference Utena for a show that does it the right way). To me Kannazuki No Miko is the definition of boring, melodramatic mediocrity. Other people can enjoy it, but I'm not going latch onto it just because its new and obvious canon.

[DanielJr]

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Vallen Chaos Valiant said:
As was once explained by the staff of TM!, the reason why this series was made to begin with was because the director wanted to have a hotsprings episode for the original Bubblegum Crisis OVAs, but was unable to achieve it before the show ended.

Instead, he began a new anime project, which allowed him to have as many hotsprings scenes as he wants.

I am dead serious. Why do you think we have hotsprings scenes ALL THE TIME in Tenchi-Muyo?
(no, I am not joking.)

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Wow, lol! I had no idea.

[fantasydewdrop]

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Rhodes said:
i see your into incest anime :0

i prefer a ryoko and ayeka one... that'll leave sasami with tenchi.

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Still incest, isn't it? Especially in the MGPS OVA. But not in MGPS TV; they aren't related in that one....

Hnn, Sasami x Misao. As far as I know, they aren't related in ANY version. And it's easy to believe.

[golthin]

It is amazing how any thread with the word "yuri" can get immediate attention. That is the power of Yuri. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

[DocWatson]

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Captain Impulse said:
Alright, we can leave the Tenchi franchise alone. Now I remember someone mentioning a possible third "Onegai/Please" series, involving a girl/girl couple.

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Onegai Friends (http://animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=4002); at CD Japan (http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=LACA-5306).

[DocWatson]

While I find a Ryouko/Aeka or a Mihoshi/Kiyone pairing more believable than Kei/Yuri (Dirty Pair—see the other thread), I still can't see it. When positing alternate universes, I generally prefer the smallest "pebble (http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:F3JstMPr49QJ:writingcraft.deep-magic.net/article.php%3Fid%3D81)" pebble possible. For "yurification", the pebbles are "denied latent lesbianism" and "love/hate". E.g.:<ul type="square">• Kimagure Orange Road: K.O.R. would have a whole new level of complexity if Madoka and Hikaru were former lovers...and perhaps Madoka has been quietly taking advantage of her "bisexual appeal" to relieve her loneliness before Kyosuke appeared. (See episode 42.)

• Mobile Suit Victory Gundam (http://www.geocities.com/tenou_clock/Victory.htm) (spoilers in the linked page): Here's a show rich with promise—or at least, female characters. There are the six principle members of the Shrike Team (Junko Jenko, Peggy Lee, Kate Bush, Helen Jackson, Mahalia Merrill, and Connie Francis—all but Junko are named after popular (American) singers, though Helen Jackson and Mahalia Merrill's names are mixed), the three replacement Shrikes (Yuca Meilasch, Francesca O'Hara, and Miliera Katan), plus Marbette Fingerhat (Katejina Loos might also be included, at least early on). Of these, only Junko Jenko and Marbette Fingerhat show a distinct interest in men (at least, as of about episode 30, and not including the protagonist Usso Ebbing, who would probably be molested by several of Shrikes were he not 13. As it is, he's their mascot.), <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>specifically Oliver Inoue, the commander of the Shrikes</span>. Additionally, due to director <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>Kill 'Em All</span> Tomino, many of them do not get much character development, so backgrounds are easily filled in to suit.

• Please Twins (Partly for Captain Impulse, though the original concept occurred to me a couple years ago): For this series we have the "magic" of genetic sexual attraction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_sexual_attraction) (see in particular the linked Guardian article). &lt;EG&gt; I generally prefer a harem solution to a harem problem (in this case, make Mike, Miina, and Karen fraternal triplets, who decide that the incest taboo pales in the face of their love for each other, and start making like minks), but the story is also easily altered to a shoujo ai/yuri relationship. In episodes 9 and 10, Miina's junior high school track teammate Yuuka Yashiro appears. Suppose Miina ran away from an even deeper, more intimate relationship than originally portrayed, because she was scared of what it meant about her? She then comes to grips with this, finally admits that she loves Karen and that their rivalry over Mike was just a smokescreen for everyone (including themselves) so that they would not have to admit it. This is not spoiled when Karen finds the diary, and discovers that she and Miina are the twins; having accepted themselves as they are, they are not about to give up their feelings for each other. They continue to live with Mike—he just has one more thing to put up with: loud and frequent "birdsong at morning" (and at evening, and at night, and...). &lt;EG&gt;

• Princess Nine: In addition to hating Ryou Hayakawa for her working class background, her attempt to "rise above her station", and her "monopolization" of her mother Keiko's attention, Izumi Himuro is in complete denial that she is both bisexual and passionately in love with Ryou. (Ryou also loves Izumi, but is blissfully unaware of the fact—she is completely unaware that romantic love for a woman might exist, and might apply to her.) Consequently, Izumi's bursts of temper toward Ryou tend to result in double about-faces, in which she abruptly and angrily kisses (or later, seduces) Ryou, following which she pretends absolutely nothing happened. (Possibly Izumi starts by seducing one of her admiring tennis club teammates as a substitute for Ryou...) In episode 24, Izumi finally admits to herself what she feels, and meets with Hiroki Takasugi to kiss him, and to tell him that, despite her love for him, she has decided to dedicate her life to another. Ryou, of course, sees this (she was also going to tell Hiroki goodbye, in favor of Izumi, who has by this time confessed to her ("Suke.")), and misinterprets it to mean that Izumi is abandoning her love for Ryou—a double betrayal, rather than the single one which happened in the canonical P9 universe. Thus she is even more devastated, and then even more restored when Izumi tells her the truth during the final game of the series. (I still don't see the team winning, however. But they have two more years of high school, and putting together a winning baseball team in a mere six months (March to August) is a fantastic achievement; I can't see how their recruiting efforts can do anything but bear fruit after <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>winning the prefectural semi-final</span>.[/list]

[Shsway]

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DocWatson said:
When positing alternate universes, I generally prefer the smallest "pebble (http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:F3JstMPr49QJ:writingcraft.deep-magic.net/article.php%3Fid%3D81)" pebble possible. For "yurification", the pebbles are "denied latent lesbianism" and "love/hate". E.g.:[LIST]• Kimagure Orange Road: K.O.R. would have a whole new level of complexity if Madoka and Hikaru were former lovers...and perhaps Madoka has been quietly taking advantage of her "bisexual appeal" to relieve her loneliness before Kyosuke appeared. (See episode 42.)

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Sometimes, I think of Madoka as being bi, but it really has nothing to do with her relationship with Hikaru. Its more because of the butch women that she hung/hangs around with sometimes in the series. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif I kind of disagree about this adding anything at all to the show.

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• Princess Nine: In addition to hating Ryou Hayakawa for her working class background, her attempt to "rise above her station", and her "monopolization" of her mother Keiko's attention, Izumi Himuro is in complete denial that she is both bisexual and passionately in love with Ryou. (Ryou also loves Izumi, but is blissfully unaware of the fact—she is completely unaware that romantic love for a woman might exist, and might apply to her.) Consequently, Izumi's bursts of temper toward Ryou tend to result in double about-faces...

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I thought this was a given with Princess Nine? /images/graemlins/tongue.gif Also, if one perscribes to the notion, as they watch the series, the pebble theory really doesn't apply, IMO. To me, it's quite glaring. In some ways, the first half of Kaleido Star offers a similar character dynamic.

My "pebble" of wishful thinking involves Mizuno Ami and Kino Makoto (Mercury and Jupiter) of Sailor Moon. The moments that inspire the pairing are random, which is why I didn't really pick up on it until the idea was suggested to me, much later in my fandom.

[pianocello]

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• Princess Nine: In addition to hating Ryou Hayakawa for her working class background, her attempt to "rise above her station", and her "monopolization" of her mother Keiko's attention, Izumi Himuro is in complete denial that she is both bisexual and passionately in love with Ryou. (Ryou also loves Izumi, but is blissfully unaware of the fact—she is completely unaware that romantic love for a woman might exist, and might apply to her.) Consequently, Izumi's bursts of temper toward Ryou tend to result in double about-faces, in which she abruptly and angrily kisses (or later, seduces) Ryou, following which she pretends absolutely nothing happened. (Possibly Izumi starts by seducing one of her admiring tennis club teammates as a substitute for Ryou...) In episode 24, Izumi finally admits to herself what she feels, and meets with Hiroki Takasugi to kiss him, and to tell him that, despite her love for him, she has decided to dedicate her life to another. Ryou, of course, sees this (she was also going to tell Hiroki goodbye, in favor of Izumi, who has by this time confessed to her ("Suke.")), and misinterprets it to mean that Izumi is abandoning her love for Ryou—a double betrayal, rather than the single one which happened in the canonical P9 universe. Thus she is even more devastated, and then even more restored when Izumi tells her the truth during the final game of the series. (I still don't see the team winning, however. But they have two more years of high school, and putting together a winning baseball team in a mere six months (March to August) is a fantastic achievement; I can't see how their recruiting efforts can do anything but bear fruit after <span style='color:#dddddd;background:#dddddd'>winning the prefectural semi-final</span>.[/LIST]

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Princess Nine would be better with yuri.

[Spirit Of The Stage]

I thought Tenchi Muyo was a yuri show?

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Yep, it is - they just called it El Hazard. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif