Kanon remake discussion thread [Archive]

Suwako Moriya

10-09-2006, 03:15 PM

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Geez, why is it that everytime I go to a Kanon thread someone mentions that it is a harem title? It is not a harem title (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harem_anime).

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It's because harem is an easy label to use when it comes to anime with pretty/cute girls. For some any show with pretty girls is a harem anime. For others harem is used as swear word for any show with pretty girls they hate. It's honestly become a meaningless term. Especially since often the so called harem element is mixed with other elements anyway.

Do I consider Kanon a harem anime? Well honestly not really, but then again I never really thought about it. I mainly viewed it as anime with bishoujo (pretty girls) that was based on a game. If it could be considered harem or not was not my concern.

treatment

10-09-2006, 03:26 PM

I started this useless-trivia thing in the old thread. I'm bringing it here, too. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

As we await ep-2, might as well reflect on the trivia-stuff you'd observed in ep-1. Here are mine:

16-17 utterances of ~Uguu!~ by Ayu in ep-1.
Nayuki has excellent hearing.
Jun's henpecked.
Kyuuichi.
Air-stuff homage on the bus-ad.
Akiko's snow-clearing skills must be feared.
Kyuuichi's alarm-clock is different from Yuuichi's.

hikaru004

10-09-2006, 05:57 PM

Don't let Ayu fool you. If you let your guard down, you're going to need 2 boxes of kleenex instead of 1. Kanon is not a comedy, especially with Momo's bell ringing in episode 1 twice (once was very soft and the second time was loud).

something

10-09-2006, 07:45 PM

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Mateo said:
Love comedy does fit Kanon more accurately. Ayu especially got a smile from me.

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It's definitely a show with a sense of humor, but intense emotional drama overrides all else when it comes to Kanon.

something

10-09-2006, 07:46 PM

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Yuuichi does seem to be a better character as well compared to the original. I'm sure the seiyuu has a bit to do with that.

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Agreed, and I hope it keeps up. I more or less hated Yuuichi in the original.

TheGreenMan

10-09-2006, 07:51 PM

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After watching this finally, I was a little surprised I liked it. I never got past the first episode of the original series. Ayu has got to be legally retarded but she it cute. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif Yuuichi does seem to be a better character as well compared to the original. I'm sure the seiyuu has a bit to do with that.

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I loved it when he mimicked Ayu's uguu~. That and Ayu's reaction are pretty funny. I love watching that scene over and over again.

Splitter

10-09-2006, 08:06 PM

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Kyuuichi's alarm-clock is different from Yuuichi's.

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Not all changes can be good /images/graemlins/sad.gif

hikaru004

10-09-2006, 08:22 PM

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TalonG4 said:
After watching this finally, I was a little surprised I liked it. I never got past the first episode of the original series. Ayu has got to be legally retarded but she it cute. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif Yuuichi does seem to be a better character as well compared to the original. I'm sure the seiyuu has a bit to do with that.

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I loved it when he mimicked Ayu's uguu~. That and Ayu's reaction are pretty funny. I love watching that scene over and over again.

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The restraurant scene and Yuuichi's "uguu" were my favorite parts of ep. 1.

houkoholic

10-09-2006, 08:44 PM

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Kyuuichi's alarm-clock is different from Yuuichi's.

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Not all changes can be good /images/graemlins/sad.gif

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Even though the shape is different, with how closely Kyoani is sticking to the game script I highly doubt that they would remove Nayuki's morning call voice as that's really what makes the alarm clock unique in the first place.

Skywise

10-10-2006, 03:53 AM

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Even though the shape is different, with how closely Kyoani is sticking to the game script I highly doubt that they would remove Nayuki's morning call voice as that's really what makes the alarm clock unique in the first place.

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They're not removing it. On the C70 bonus CD (I think it was - my mind's kind of fuzzy this morning) Naiyuki's voice actor talks about it. I expect we'll see it in the next episode.

aquastar831

10-10-2006, 10:08 AM

Finally had some free time to post my thoughts. I like how they kept the music from the game and it integrates so well into the series. there is a big difference with the minor characters already. We have Akiko who seems more together than in the previous Kanon, where she was more ditzy in a way. Then you have Jun and Kaori, where it seems like Jun has become Kaori's little errand boy ("bag boy" as some of us have called him) and I like how they upped the comedy factor on this little "relationship" that these two have.

Now for the main characters. This Yuiichi is definitely more likeable. In his monologues, you can't help but think Kyon, but at the same time, it's definitely a better look and more likeable personality for Yuiichi.

Ayu - what can I say? I like this Ayu more than in the previous series. I like how she keeps trying to turn around to look at the wings on her back. That was very funny and so cute at the same time.

Nayuki - sweet and a little ditzy, but that's what make her likeable. "Come here, fox!" Again, referring to Haruhi Suzumiya, some of her facial expressions remind me of Mikuru.

Mai / Sayuri - only one short scene. I'll have a better idea after we see the next episodes probably

Makoto - no appearance yet. I'm sure she'll come up in like episode 3 or 4

Shiori - just walks by Nayuki and Yuiichi in ep 1. We'll probably see her in ep 2. I'm guessing the scene where Ayu flies towards Yuiichi, crashes into the tree, and knocks the snow on Shiori is when we'll see her

Excellent start to the series, and with it being 26 episodes, I think this will give it a chance to really expand on each of the girls' stories.

treatment

10-10-2006, 12:52 PM

I wonder if Key/VA is gonna reissue the game-soundtrack. They might as well produce another new soundtrack for this remake and/or release Anemoscope by itself. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

I'm also wishing KyoAni will tap music from Woody-Rinn's Piano De Kanon (http://rinn.e-site.jp/music/cd.html) cd.

treatment

10-10-2006, 03:56 PM

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TalonG4 said:
Yuuichi does seem to be a better character as well compared to the original. I'm sure the seiyuu has a bit to do with that.

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Agreed, and I hope it keeps up. I more or less hated Yuuichi in the original.

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hehehehe!

I actually like the Yuuichi of old. He was such a cocky bastard full of character and personality established in ep-1 alone that he made the other bishoujo/harem-series lead-dudes during that time as all lame pussies by comparison. /images/graemlins/relief.gif

I'm still a little iffy about Kyuiichi since he was pretty much flat and boring in ep-1 with less dialogue and stuff. It's most likely intentional and by design that he gets to be projected as flat and boring in ep-1 as a setup to slowly develop his characterization throughout the series-run.

His vocal matches the updated char-design, tho.

Splitter

10-10-2006, 04:06 PM

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TalonG4 said:
Yuuichi does seem to be a better character as well compared to the original. I'm sure the seiyuu has a bit to do with that.

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Agreed, and I hope it keeps up. I more or less hated Yuuichi in the original.

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hehehehe!

I actually like the Yuuichi of old. He was such a cocky bastard full of character and personality established in ep-1 alone that he made the other bishoujo/harem-series lead-dudes during that time as all lame pussies by comparison. /images/graemlins/relief.gif

I'm still a little iffy about Kyuiichi since he was pretty much flat and boring in ep-1 with less dialogue and stuff. It's most likely intentional and by design that he gets to be projected as flat and boring in ep-1 as a setup to slowly develop his characterization throughout the series-run.

His vocal matches the updated char-design, tho.

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I agree with the vocal matches, but it still feels like I'm watching Kyon. The monologues, the blank stares... it's just all there.

Also, isn't Yuuichi supposed to absolutely DESPISE cold weather for a good amount of time, at LEAST until he meets Mai!

Suwako Moriya

10-10-2006, 04:13 PM

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Splitter said:
I agree with the vocal matches, but it still feels like I'm watching Kyon. The monologues, the blank stares... it's just all there.

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I'm almost tempted to wait for Yuuichi err Kyon err Yuuichi err Kyon to suddenly walk off the well stage and call for Haruhi to discuss the script for this "play" with her. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif Part of me is insane enough to think that will happen. How large or small a part, I won't say.

10-10-2006, 04:17 PM

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Splitter said:
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treatment said:
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disarm said:
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TalonG4 said:
Yuuichi does seem to be a better character as well compared to the original. I'm sure the seiyuu has a bit to do with that.

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Agreed, and I hope it keeps up. I more or less hated Yuuichi in the original.

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hehehehe!

I actually like the Yuuichi of old. He was such a cocky bastard full of character and personality established in ep-1 alone that he made the other bishoujo/harem-series lead-dudes during that time as all lame pussies by comparison. /images/graemlins/relief.gif

I'm still a little iffy about Kyuiichi since he was pretty much flat and boring in ep-1 with less dialogue and stuff. It's most likely intentional and by design that he gets to be projected as flat and boring in ep-1 as a setup to slowly develop his characterization throughout the series-run.

His vocal matches the updated char-design, tho.

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I agree with the vocal matches, but it still feels like I'm watching Kyon. The monologues, the blank stares... it's just all there.

Also, isn't Yuuichi supposed to absolutely DESPISE cold weather for a good amount of time, at LEAST until he meets Mai!

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I didn't think his reactions to the weather were any more obvious than they were in the original, though it's been a long time since I watched that one. Also, I seem to be the ony person here who doesn't see Kyon on screen while watching. Obviously the similarities are as people have pointed out, but they're not in my head while watching.

beatmania

10-10-2006, 04:33 PM

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Also, I seem to be the ony person here who doesn't see Kyon on screen while watching. Obviously the similarities are as people have pointed out, but they're not in my head while watching.

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<- No idea who this Kyon character is from and I'm thinking its better if I don't know, judging from all the weird comments on it.

treatment

10-10-2006, 04:36 PM

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Splitter said:
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treatment said:
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disarm said:
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TalonG4 said:
Yuuichi does seem to be a better character as well compared to the original. I'm sure the seiyuu has a bit to do with that.

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Agreed, and I hope it keeps up. I more or less hated Yuuichi in the original.

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hehehehe!

I actually like the Yuuichi of old. He was such a cocky bastard full of character and personality established in ep-1 alone that he made the other bishoujo/harem-series lead-dudes during that time as all lame pussies by comparison. /images/graemlins/relief.gif

I'm still a little iffy about Kyuiichi since he was pretty much flat and boring in ep-1 with less dialogue and stuff. It's most likely intentional and by design that he gets to be projected as flat and boring in ep-1 as a setup to slowly develop his characterization throughout the series-run.

His vocal matches the updated char-design, tho.

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I agree with the vocal matches, but it still feels like I'm watching Kyon. The monologues, the blank stares... it's just all there.

Also, isn't Yuuichi supposed to absolutely DESPISE cold weather for a good amount of time, at LEAST until he meets Mai!

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I didn't think his reactions to the weather were any more obvious than they were in the original, though it's been a long time since I watched that one. Also, I seem to be the ony person here who doesn't see Kyon on screen while watching. Obviously the similarities are as people have pointed out, but they're not in my head while watching.

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Yuuichi constantly whined about the weather in ep-1, whereas Kyuuichi was pretty much resigned and disinterested to it.

As such, I don't actually see nor feel the Kyon-ness in Kyuuichi, as Kyon actually had more spunk and stuff in the Haruhi-series. We'll just have to wait and see when Kyuuichi will show more and how much personality and stuff in the coming episodes of this remake.

oh, yeah. I still love the original anime's pivotal-scene of ep-1:

Ayu: Boku wa, Ayu, dayo. Tsukumiya Ayu.
Yuuichi: <groan> ore wa, Yuuichi, da. Aizawa Yuuichi.<sigh>
Ayu: Huh?! <eye-pop>
Ayu: ...Yuuichi...-kun?

then the playing of the kaze wo matta hi tv-bgm. Such great vocal-delivery sequence and music timing. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

Jadawin

10-10-2006, 05:46 PM

Well, I watched the first Kanon series a few years ago and now the first episode of the new one.

I liked the details which werent present in the first series, like Nayuki reminding Yuuichi to say "good morning" AND "Good night" or the hot water to unfreeze the garden gate, etc.

And they showed all girls before Yuiichi even meets them for the first time.

Of course most of us know exactly about the meaning behind Ayus "I am dreaming", so there's not much of a mystery left. Wished I could forget what I know about Kanon.

I agree with Fencedude that Ayu IS annoying and I admit that for me also, Yuuichi making fun of her ~uguu was the best scene in the first episode (btw. did that happen in the game?). Yeah, it kinda reminded me of Kyon making fun of Haruhi, hehe. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif BUT: I started to like her nevertheless the more the first series progresses. At the end of the show she may not have been my favorite character (that's Nayuki. Go Nayuki! /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif ), but she certainly wasnt as annoying to me as she was at the beginning.

Shiroi Hane

10-10-2006, 06:36 PM

I don't know anything about Kanon so I hope people do remember spoiler tags (and that I remember not to highlight them automatically..)

something

10-10-2006, 06:41 PM

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treatment said:
I actually like the Yuuichi of old. He was such a cocky bastard full of character and personality established in ep-1 alone that he made the other bishoujo/harem-series lead-dudes during that time as all lame pussies by comparison. /images/graemlins/relief.gif

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Sarcastic, quasi-mean leads can be ok. Yukito from AIR sometimes fits that description much of the time, and he's awesome. Pretty much every male lead in a romance/comedy that I like tends to be sarcastic to some extent. But Yuuichi in the first Kanon just... gah. So annoying >_<

something

10-10-2006, 06:45 PM

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Also, I seem to be the ony person here who doesn't see Kyon on screen while watching. Obviously the similarities are as people have pointed out, but they're not in my head while watching.

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No, I'm with you. I know he's got Kyon's VA, I know they're slightly similar characters, but hell, I was in the middle of rewatching Haruhi when I saw the first episode of Kanon '06, and it was easy to separate the two. I even feel like the voice is slightly different, and there's definitely a difference between the inner monologues that distinguish Kyon and the more normal conversation seen in Kanon '06.

Just focus on him for who is he, not who his VA voiced recently. None of this "Kyuuichi" stuff... He's Yuuichi, from Kanon, and that's it.

houkoholic

10-10-2006, 08:47 PM

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Yuuichi making fun of her ~uguu was the best scene in the first episode (btw. did that happen in the game?).

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Yes it was, that scene and the dialogue was lifted directly from the game.

mk2000

10-11-2006, 12:41 AM

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Geez, why is it that everytime I go to a Kanon thread someone mentions that it is a harem title? It is not a harem title (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harem_anime).

All the paths are being made into 1 anime and all the girls are going to be shown together more in this version. Yuuichi is also a common male Visual Art's/Key character type.

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Would it be safe to assume that because Kanon the anime is based off Kanon the Japanese Dating Sim Game...that generally speaking this anime is "Dating Sim" genre?

I wonder if Kanon 2006 will be based off the original or All Ages version? /images/graemlins/cool.gif

BluWacky

10-11-2006, 01:33 AM

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Would it be safe to assume that because Kanon the anime is based off Kanon the Japanese Dating Sim Game...that generally speaking this anime is "Dating Sim" genre?

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It's not a dating sim, though. It's a bishoujo game. The aim isn't to go out with any of the girls like something like Tokimeki Memorial; the point is to read their tragic backstories.

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I wonder if Kanon 2006 will be based off the original or All Ages version? /images/graemlins/cool.gif

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All Ages, duh. The mark of true success for a bishoujo game is when they strip all the porn out because it's good enough to sell on its own merits /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

hikaru004

10-11-2006, 05:35 AM

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I actually like the Yuuichi of old. He was such a cocky bastard full of character and personality established in ep-1 alone that he made the other bishoujo/harem-series lead-dudes during that time as all lame pussies by comparison. /images/graemlins/relief.gif

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Sarcastic, quasi-mean leads can be ok. Yukito from AIR sometimes fits that description much of the time, and he's awesome. Pretty much every male lead in a romance/comedy that I like tends to be sarcastic to some extent. But Yuuichi in the first Kanon just... gah. So annoying >_<

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But life was harsher for Yukito and he did a 360 when he saw Misuzu sick. It was too late at that time. Yuuichi doesn't get a second chance, so he has to start out close to the turnaround point or the experience is going to be very jarring for the viewers imo.

BluWacky

10-11-2006, 01:19 PM

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but hell, I was in the middle of rewatching Haruhi

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Isn't that a permanent state of existence for you, though? /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Having watched very little Haruhi (not my cup of tea at all) I don't see the similarities aside from the basic relatively tall high school student stuff. Kyon has much more of a personality!

something

10-11-2006, 09:36 PM

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Isn't that a permanent state of existence for you, though? /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

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Having watched very little Haruhi (not my cup of tea at all) I don't see the similarities aside from the basic relatively tall high school student stuff. Kyon has much more of a personality!

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Yuuichi did have a personality in the first season, but it just wasn't one I liked. Hopefully this Yuuichi will be played a bit more enjoyably, and I do think the VA has it in him to do so. And not because he's "Kyon", but because he's just a good voice actor.

treatment

10-12-2006, 03:01 PM

from a Kanon-fan:

http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1160420627327tb4.gif

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I wonder how many will get the joke. or even get it to load. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif /images/graemlins/relief.gif

treatment

10-12-2006, 03:21 PM

garten's got his ep2-spoilers up:

SPOILER blog http://www.designchronicle.com/memento/archives/kanon_ep02.html SPOILER blog

Skywise

10-12-2006, 03:30 PM

Kanon x Higurashi?

10-12-2006, 05:24 PM

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from a Kanon-fan:

http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1160420627327tb4.gif

/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /images/graemlins/cool.gif

I wonder how many will get the joke. or even get it to load. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif /images/graemlins/relief.gif

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Sweet. /images/graemlins/happy.gif They didn't make her eyes crazed enough though. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

treatment

10-12-2006, 08:40 PM

zhehehe /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

This ep-2 was soooooooooooooooooo damn funny than it's prolly supposed to be. Actually, I think KyoAni really made it funnier than Key/VA intended it to be. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

stuff to look out for:

The alarm-clock was funny in the very wrong way.
Akiko's jam of doom.
Mahou Shoujo Mai shooting down Kyuuichi point blank. Damn she r0x0r! /images/graemlins/cool.gif
Kyuuichi getting totally lost in school.
Teh Ayu-tackle scene.
Ayu telling off Kyuuichi
Shiori's introduction to the series.
Makoto's counter-attack!

Kyuuichi finally whined about the weather in this ep. Also, he seems to be really channeling alot of Kyon-ness in this particular ep, so, err, watch out. It's not really a bad thing, too. /images/graemlins/relief.gif

btw, Kaori's been improved and Shiori have been upgraded. A good not-so-subtle upgrade, too. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

This ep2 was mostly similar to the toei-kanon version, but with some very obvious differences. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

finally, I'm pretty sure there will be a new soundtrack since they played a new piano-rendition bgm of Yakusoku(promise) song that's different from all other versions of the song.

before I forget, Mai rulz!!! /images/graemlins/cool.gif/images/graemlins/cool.gif/images/graemlins/cool.gif

beatmania

10-13-2006, 03:53 PM

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garten's got his ep2-spoilers up:

SPOILER blog http://www.designchronicle.com/memento/archives/kanon_ep02.html SPOILER blog

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People who haven't seen Kanon before : can you tell who is talking about the dreams in the beginning of the episodes? I can't believe he's still calling that voice 'girl' or 'narrator'.

Splitter

10-13-2006, 04:44 PM

Great episodes, but I really want the frog clock back. It's just not the same.

Best parts of the episode
- Kyuuichi waking up Nayuki
- Akiko's special jam
- "I'm left-handed!"
- The failed romantic reunion
- My favorite girl showing up an episode early (at least)! WAI!

And I gotta say, I really don't like that Yuuichi met Mai so early on... her introduction in Toei's was much more dramatic.

Gah, I need to stop being so harsh on KyoAni. This is already leaps and bounds above Toei's.

golthin

10-13-2006, 05:32 PM

Scary! /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif

treatment

10-13-2006, 06:31 PM

Yeah. The Toei-intro for her was more impressive, tho the KyoAni-intro was still kewl, at least in how she dealth with Kyuuichi and in how she's "criminally cute in pony-tails". /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif /images/graemlins/tongue.gif /images/graemlins/cool.gif

As such and from the teaser-scenes in the promo-trailers, I still think KyoAni will make her arc the most impressive among all the girls.

mk2000

10-13-2006, 09:18 PM

HAHA,

Homage to TMCHS and Kyon when Yuuichi started narrating and Kaori called him on it! "What are you giving a narration for?" 
Priceless.

beatmania

10-13-2006, 10:52 PM

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Homage to TMCHS and Kyon when Yuuichi started narrating and Kaori called him on it! "What are you giving a narration for?" 
Priceless.

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Actually that's taken from the game.
A lot of the funny dialogues and scenes are almost taken word for word from the game.
Kyoto's animation might be good but they're not doing anything positive to the story yet.

hikaru004

10-14-2006, 03:56 AM

So, then Kyon monologues in Haruhi is actually a nod to Kanon. Who'd have thought? /images/graemlins/stunned0.gif

Fencedude

10-14-2006, 07:57 AM

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So, then Kyon monologues in Haruhi is actually a nod to Kanon. Who'd have thought? /images/graemlins/stunned0.gif

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...no.

Just...no.

Mateo_home

10-14-2006, 02:29 PM

This was a fun episode. I liked the animation on the Jam wave was great. And Ayu is the same age (or year) as Yuuichi? That's somewhat as a shock to me because she looks like the little sister type. However, the highlight for me on this episode was at the end. Where this girl (dunno who) angerally jumped at Yuuichi which got me thinking if it she was going to send him flying, only to find out she could only tap him.

BTW, I haven't seen the first season so I can't compare the two. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

treatment

10-14-2006, 02:40 PM

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This was a fun episode. I liked the animation on the Jam wave was great. And Ayu is the same age (or year) as Yuuichi? That's somewhat as a shock to me because she looks like the little sister type. However, the highlight for me on this episode was at the end. Where this girl (dunno who) angerally jumped at Yuuichi which got me thinking if it she was going to send him flying, only to find out she could only tap him.

BTW, I haven't seen the first season so I can't compare the two. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Yeah. The simple animation/bgm-technique KyoAni used was surprising and appropriate to make the scene alot more funnier.

10-15-2006, 12:38 AM

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This was a fun episode. I liked the animation on the Jam wave was great. And Ayu is the same age (or year) as Yuuichi? That's somewhat as a shock to me because she looks like the little sister type. However, the highlight for me on this episode was at the end. Where this girl (dunno who) angerally jumped at Yuuichi which got me thinking if it she was going to send him flying, only to find out she could only tap him.

BTW, I haven't seen the first season so I can't compare the two. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Yeah. The simple animation/bgm-technique KyoAni used was surprising and appropriate to make the scene alot more funnier.

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Even if they're not contributing anything more to the story yet over the original (and I'm curious why everybody says that in a negative way too, nothing wrong with not fixing what isn't broken) the improved animation alone does wonders for the feel of the show. The flowing nature of KyoAni's animation work matches the feel of the show really well and contributes to the ambiance. Seeing how much it adds to the atmosphere I think these really high budget productions are actually more suited to shows like Kanon than to action shows that you might think would be more befitting of such a budget.

mk2000

10-15-2006, 01:42 AM

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mk2000 said:
HAHA,

Homage to TMCHS and Kyon when Yuuichi started narrating and Kaori called him on it! "What are you giving a narration for?" 
Priceless.

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Actually that's taken from the game.
A lot of the funny dialogues and scenes are almost taken word for word from the game.

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That's good for me as I'm currently "playing" the game but I cannot read Japanese (mainly the Kanji); so if this Kanon version from KyoAni is a faithful translation...then I'm all for it!

I'm sure most mere English speaking mortals appreciate it as well. /images/graemlins/knowital.gif

Skywise

10-15-2006, 07:57 AM

Are you playing the PC version or the console one? If PC I recommend anime games text hooker (http://agthook.googlepages.com/index.html). Use it with something like JWPCE to help you translate the kanji. You might need to add /KS to the commandline for it work, but I think that's it. I have the dreamcast version so I'm doing it the old fashion way, but I wanted the voices and no H scenes so...

mk2000

10-15-2006, 03:01 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Skywise said:
Are you playing the PC version or the console one? If PC I recommend anime games text hooker (http://agthook.googlepages.com/index.html). Use it with something like JWPCE to help you translate the kanji. You might need to add /KS to the commandline for it work, but I think that's it. I have the dreamcast version so I'm doing it the old fashion way, but I wanted the voices and no H scenes so...

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PC version.

Thanks so much for the suggestion! I will try it out.

JWPCE might be of interest to my wife as well since she's currently taking Japanese.

Thanks again!

Skywise

10-15-2006, 05:36 PM

You're welcome. If you have any questions about how to use JWPCE I suggest you start up a thread in the Japanese Language and Culture forum. It has its own IME which may be confusing, but does support regular Japanese input if you've installed support for it in windows. It's without question my most often used tool whenever I need to do something involving Japanese translation or lookup.

Shiroi Hane

10-15-2006, 07:23 PM

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Mateo said:
Ayu is the same age (or year) as Yuuichi? That's somewhat as a shock to me because she looks like the little sister type.

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I figured from the partial flashbacks in the first ep and the way she reacted to his name that she was older than she looks, but I didn't figure her for that old.

XenoSaber

10-15-2006, 08:25 PM

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Shiroi Hane said:
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Mateo said:
Ayu is the same age (or year) as Yuuichi? That's somewhat as a shock to me because she looks like the little sister type.

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I figured from the partial flashbacks in the first ep and the way she reacted to his name that she was older than she looks, but I didn't figure her for that old.

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So I take it you know nothing of the story then? Just wait it gets better!

mk2000

10-15-2006, 11:12 PM

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Shiroi Hane said:
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Mateo said:
Ayu is the same age (or year) as Yuuichi? That's somewhat as a shock to me because she looks like the little sister type.

[/ QUOTE ]

I figured from the partial flashbacks in the first ep and the way she reacted to his name that she was older than she looks, but I didn't figure her for that old.

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Shiroi Hane, I love your avatar! That's one of my favorite parts! To confirm with other members, Ayu has to be legally retarted (but oh so CUTE!)

TalonG4

10-16-2006, 08:18 AM

After catching episode 2, I'm starting to get good at recognizing certain seiyuu. I recognized Atsushi Kisaichi as Yuuichi from episode 1 and now I recognized Tomoko Kawakami as Sayuri from episode 2. Actually it was more like I recognized her as Misuzu from Air. That 'laugh' is unmistakable... 'nihaha' or whatever. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif
Getting lost at the school made me smile. I went to a pretty big high school and I remember getting lost a few times too.

Shiroi Hane

10-16-2006, 10:37 AM

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XenoSaber said:So I take it you know nothing of the story then? Just wait it gets better!

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That's why I requested no unmarked spoilers in this thread.

treatment

10-16-2006, 12:58 PM

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mk2000 said:
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Shiroi Hane said:
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Mateo said:
Ayu is the same age (or year) as Yuuichi? That's somewhat as a shock to me because she looks like the little sister type.

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I figured from the partial flashbacks in the first ep and the way she reacted to his name that she was older than she looks, but I didn't figure her for that old.

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Shiroi Hane, I love your avatar! That's one of my favorite parts! To confirm with other members, Ayu has to be legally retarted (but oh so CUTE!)

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Key/VA should really start selling a bobblehead-Ayu. /images/graemlins/relief.gif

10-16-2006, 07:15 PM

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treatment said:
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mk2000 said:
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Shiroi Hane said:
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Mateo said:
Ayu is the same age (or year) as Yuuichi? That's somewhat as a shock to me because she looks like the little sister type.

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I figured from the partial flashbacks in the first ep and the way she reacted to his name that she was older than she looks, but I didn't figure her for that old.

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Shiroi Hane, I love your avatar! That's one of my favorite parts! To confirm with other members, Ayu has to be legally retarted (but oh so CUTE!)

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Key/VA should really start selling a bobblehead-Ayu. /images/graemlins/relief.gif

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They'll be selling Ayu everything soon enough. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

something

10-16-2006, 07:53 PM

Good lawd this show is amazing. I remember liking the original Kanon a lot, but I can't remember being THIS enthralled by it so early on.

And this is going for 26 episodes? Oh hell yes. Normally I'd wonder/worry if the sky high production values evidenced so far could be maintained, but this is KyoAni so I have absolutely no worries at all.

Nayuki was my favorite (or tied with Ayu) in the Toei edition, and I like her just as much here. I also think the complaints that she's "stupid" aren't really holding up either. Her voice is very dreamy/airheaded and slow, but throughout this episode she was pretty mature and level headed. Sure she's a living corpse in the morning, but so what? Also, her mom is totally hot. ...Completely off topic, sure, but had to be mentioned anyway =P

Ayu had some great back and forth with Yuuichi (who, by the by, I think is fantastic so far, while I hated him in the original) before and after they met Shiori. She might be a bit more genuinely dumb than Nayuki in this version, but even so I don't think the "Kanon girls are idiots" stereotype holds for her either. It's just a hypercute exterior with a cute-but-funny voice and a playful, casual personality that gives that impression. In any event, she's so adorable that I don't even know how to describe it adequately. So instead I'll sum it up with "Uguu~!!"

Makoto's entrance was awesome, of course. I really have forgotten a lot of the storyline details from the original, which is fine by me, so while I roughly remember her ultimate story ending, I don't remember much of how it got there, and it might be different in this version anyway. That and talking ahead about Kanon plot points that occur after the episodes being aired now is completely taboo, as it should be.

Shiroi Hane

10-16-2006, 08:23 PM

OT and on the subject of avatars.. Xenosabre's has turned into a handful of cookies.

XenoSaber

10-16-2006, 10:42 PM

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OT and on the subject of avatars.. Xenosabre's has turned into a handful of cookies.

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Huh...cookies?? It's late, I'm tired, and I didn't get that one?? /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

Fencedude

10-17-2006, 05:17 AM

*watches episode 2*

...he just keeps stumbling over girls doesn't he?

Anyway, of the three we've spent any significant amount of time with (Nayuki, Ayu and Kaori) the only one who I really like is Kaori.

Oh, and Akiko. Akiko == MILF. Despite the Jam.

Shiroi Hane

10-17-2006, 10:12 PM

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XenoSaber said:
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Shiroi Hane said:
OT and on the subject of avatars.. Xenosabre's has turned into a handful of cookies.

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Huh...cookies?? It's late, I'm tired, and I didn't get that one?? /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

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Your avatar is no longer loading, instead I get three requests to set cookies from your domain.

XenoSaber

10-18-2006, 04:58 AM

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Shiroi Hane said:
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XenoSaber said:
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Shiroi Hane said:
OT and on the subject of avatars.. Xenosabre's has turned into a handful of cookies.

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Huh...cookies?? It's late, I'm tired, and I didn't get that one?? /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

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Your avatar is no longer loading, instead I get three requests to set cookies from your domain.

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OK, that should be fixed. I did some domain swapping over the weekend. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

aquastar831

10-18-2006, 09:44 AM

This show keeps getting better as I definitely like the approach they are taking with this remake versus the original series by Toei Animation.

- Weird, but funny alarm clock. Are you sure that would actually wake you up?
- Akiko's jam laced with something
- Most of the remaining cast was introduced this episode
- Yuuichi gets lost in the school
- Ayu flies towards Yuuichi to hug him and crashes into a tree and her response after that
- Makoto tries to attack Yuuichi in the shopping district

All I have to say is, "One of the US companies pleeeeeeeease license this great series!". Trust us, this IS a title that will do very well in the US, and there are lots of reasons why there are so many fans of this series.

Suwako Moriya

10-18-2006, 11:31 AM

I think my two favorite moments of episode 2 were when they just casually reveal two facts about Ayu. The first being that she's left handed by way of the whole chopstick thing. The second being Ayu states that Shiori is a year younger than her and thus shocking Yuuichi. Then Yuuichi brings up the subject, Ayu interrupts with a smile and says "You thought what?" which in some ways is cute, but slightly scary. Of course meeting some of the other girls was nice as well. Yay for Shiori! In any case the real challenge still lies ahead. Which is making sure the story is balanced and such.

10-18-2006, 12:16 PM

Was the whole left-handed/chopstick thing in the original show? I know they bumped heads again but I don't remember it being so funny. KyoAni expanded on it here I think and it made the scene so much more fun to watch.

treatment

10-18-2006, 12:38 PM

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Xcalibur said:
Was the whole left-handed/chopstick thing in the original show? I know they bumped heads again but I don't remember it being so funny. KyoAni expanded on it here I think and it made the scene so much more fun to watch.

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It wasn't in the first anime. Not sure if it's in the game, tho.

btw, more adorable fan-pics:

Kanon Girls Shuffle-ized (http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kanon08kz6.jpg) /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

Obentou Mai (http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kanon2yk3.jpg) /images/graemlins/cool.gif

extreme cuteness overload (http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ayupreciouslw2.jpg) /images/graemlins/cool.gif

very nice rendition of Kaori (http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=minitokyoanimewallpaperskanon76458kf5 .jpg) /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Suwako Moriya

10-18-2006, 02:50 PM

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treatment said:
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Xcalibur said:
Was the whole left-handed/chopstick thing in the original show?

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It wasn't in the first anime. Not sure if it's in the game, tho.

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My memory of the Toei version is a bit fuzzy in terms of the finer details. Maybe this would be a good time to rewatch it. Then again maybe it would be better not to. So that way things will be a bit fresher while watching the Kyo-Ani version. As for the game thing, I'm not sure either. Still on a side note, yay for more images.

something

10-18-2006, 06:06 PM

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Yuzu Hieda said:
My memory of the Toei version is a bit fuzzy in terms of the finer details. Maybe this would be a good time to rewatch it.

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If KyoAni's version continues at even half the level of awesome evidenced so far, I'm pretty sure I'll never be able to watch the Toei version again.

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Then again maybe it would be better not to. So that way things will be a bit fresher while watching the Kyo-Ani version.

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Basically my approach. Besides not having time, I decided to resist the temptation to rewatch the original so that this would be a bit newer in my mind as I watch.

Though, I'd think people should watch Toei Kanon before seeing this, if only because lots of the fun of KyoAni Kanon will be in spotting homages to/spoofs on the original. A friend of mine who hadn't seen the original watched the first episode of this, but I sent him off to watch the Toei version first before continuing with KyoAni's.

kaiyouske

10-19-2006, 02:54 AM

I actually marathoned the Toei Kanon this past winter. I'm glad I did that so now I can 'fully' enjoy Kyani's version. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

treatment

10-19-2006, 04:26 PM

fyi.

http://www.tbs.co.jp/anime/kanon/03story/s3.html

As expected, it's the loli fang-girl being featured! Oh, and pretty Shiori, too, I guess. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

10-19-2006, 07:22 PM

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treatment said:
fyi.

http://www.tbs.co.jp/anime/kanon/03story/s3.html

As expected, it's the loli fang-girl being featured! Oh, and pretty Shiori, too, I guess. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

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That's just a tad bit more innuendo than I think suits Kanon, but I'll take it anyway. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

beatmania

10-19-2006, 08:07 PM

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Sweet episode. Shiori is my favorite. Still wish Konishi Hiroko didn't get can though. Her Shiori voice is so much cuter.

treatment

10-20-2006, 01:54 AM

OMG! A really very sweet episode. Prolly the sweetest so far. Kyuuichi finally shed all traces of his Kyon-ness in this ep, but I'll still refer to him as Kyuuichi. /images/graemlins/relief.gif

Without spoiling it too much, this ep3 was pretty much divided into three main parts:

Auu Fang-tan part -- Aside from being completely different from Toei-Kanon's version, KyoAni also made her more genki. Alot more genki with alot more animation. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif They will reveal her "name" at the end of the ep for those that don't know her, yet. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

Shiori -- Slightly different, but much much improved from the TK-version, KyoAni made her part (especially her intro) alotlotlot SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET! Part of it was that KyoAni dipped into the Recollections-album and took the rather exclusive lead-in part of the Winter Fireworks song. Then they pretty much made Pure Snows as Shiori's song. The falling snow and the camera-panning were very nicely done.

Ayu -- another variation from the TK-version, but with alot more funny and rather strong emo-like parts. I'll say that the foreshadowing is very strong in this part.

At the very end of this ep, a teaser for my favorite char and arc, Charm Up! My Mai Dream arc. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif /images/graemlins/relief.gif /images/graemlins/cool.gif From the teaser, the much-anticipated specific animation for her awesomeness will be so frickin' gnarly! I can't wait for it. w00t w00t w00t!!! /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif /images/graemlins/cool.gif

snap of the ep-4 preview: http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kanon2k6ep4prevdm7.jpg

Fencedude

10-20-2006, 06:12 PM

Not bad. I still don't care one bit about Ayu at all, and Nayuki's not much better.

But man, Makoto is pure WIN.

Sword girl looks to be doing something interesting as well...

And maybe its me, but don't Ayu and Makoto look oddly similar?

Rhodes

10-20-2006, 06:22 PM

no they dont look alike.

one of em looks like Asuka thou.

TalonG4

10-20-2006, 09:44 PM

Cool ep. The intro to Shiori and the snow falling was some of the most gorgeous animation I've ever seen. I find Makoto to be a little annoying. Nayuki is utterly sweet and probably my favorite. Ayu is pretty interesting too and I'm starting to personally have some guesses at who she is. We'll see if they pan out. NO SPOILERS... thank you.

treatment

10-21-2006, 12:51 AM

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TalonG4 said:
Cool ep. The intro to Shiori and the snow falling was some of the most gorgeous animation I've ever seen. I find Makoto to be a little annoying. Nayuki is utterly sweet and probably my favorite. Ayu is pretty interesting too and I'm starting to personally have some guesses at who she is. We'll see if they pan out. NO SPOILERS... thank you.

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ehehehe. Whatever you're guessings and impressions are, just be surely prepared for the things to come. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

btw, her awesomeness Mai is yet to be main-featured. Hopefully ep4 will bring out sufficient Mai-goodness. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif /images/graemlins/cool.gif

icelander

10-21-2006, 01:32 PM

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Fencedude said:
But man, Makoto is pure WIN.

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Agree totally - I can't get over how much better she looks in this version. Such an interesting character, too. Shiori looks awesome too, and Mai is just tops. Loving it.

Mateo_home

10-21-2006, 02:08 PM

Beautiful, Beautiful episode. My opinion for this anime hasn't dropped one bit. There aren't any characters I've taken a disliking too either. Sure, Makoto and Ayu can be annoying, but for me they make the show fun. Some great moments too:

-Nayuki mistaking Makoto for a big oden ingridient.
-Yuuichi giving Makoto the name Sawamura Kyouko and her reaction to it.
-Yuuichi sliding... umm...something cold down Makoto's shirt and just seeing her jump onto the counter like a cat was great.
-More of Ayu getting picked on

What I love about Kanon isn't just the gorgeous animation, but that it puts a unique twist on common anime cliches. And I'm tempted to get the R2s. *must...control...self* /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

something

10-21-2006, 11:45 PM

"My, what a big ingredient..." "Does she look edible to you!?" Awesome XD

Oh I enjoy the OP so very much. It's not that there's anything instantly striking about the song, or that the animation blows you away (though the quality is intense). Rather, the work together so well to convey a real sense of weight. Happiness, sadness, tragedy, triumph, and above all the heavy, unstoppable passage of time. Hell, even the first title card that just very simply reads "Kanon" in a plain black font on a white screen somehow hits me hard... Almost as if it's saying "we don't need to be flashy, you know exactly what you're watching, and you know damn well it's good".

Another brilliant episode. Humor around every corner, coupled with the whole concept of lost memory complicating everything and adding weight to the situations. KyoAni is doing a fantastic job crafting the atmopshere of the town, and slowly forming the hazy relationships among the characters. It's great that they have so much time to develop everything. Air, FMP:TSR, and Haruhi were all half-length shows, but now they have twice as much time to play with things... I can't wait.

Generally fantastic performances from all the characters once again, with the plot thickening like delicious soup. Shiori in particular impressed me wih her playful attitude. I couldn't remember much about her from the first

Yuuichi making fun of uguu~ again was, of course, hilarious XD He's delivering a stellar voice performance so far, not that I expected less. I love how he keeps the show grounded when the girls get really emotional or melodramatic (not that there's anything wrong with that), such as when Ayu went on about how she lost something important but couldn't remember what it was.

So, I continue to enjoy this show immensely, and to relish all the subtle touches that make a KyoAni show so amazing.

Oh, and what a way to end the episode... SLICE!

something

10-21-2006, 11:49 PM

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Fencedude said:
Not bad. I still don't care one bit about Ayu at all, and Nayuki's not much better.
But man, Makoto is pure WIN.

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...Makoto strikes me as infinitely dumber than Nayuki (Edit: not saying I don't like Makoto, becuase I do, a lot), who has done very few dumb things so far, and almost none in this episode. I just can't make sense of your evaluations of the girls.

something

10-21-2006, 11:50 PM

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TalonG4 said:
Cool ep. The intro to Shiori and the snow falling was some of the most gorgeous animation I've ever seen.

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Indeed. I've never seen snow animated quite like that. Simply incredible. The level of animation work in this and KyoAni's previous project are just head and shoulders above anything else being done right now.

10-22-2006, 12:23 AM

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TalonG4 said:
Cool ep. The intro to Shiori and the snow falling was some of the most gorgeous animation I've ever seen. I find Makoto to be a little annoying. Nayuki is utterly sweet and probably my favorite. Ayu is pretty interesting too and I'm starting to personally have some guesses at who she is. We'll see if they pan out. NO SPOILERS... thank you.

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Yes, the snow scene is indeed stunning, and if it's digital then Kyani does a fantastic job of hiding the fact. It looks very natural. I think Makoto would be annoying for me if all of the humor were taken away. Thankfully it's there, plus it's good to know that she doesn't stay annoying forever.

This episode was full of humor though, and I hope it keeps up. I laughed so hard I was crying when Yuuichi made that twisted face and went "Uguu!" at Ayu the second time. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

treatment

10-22-2006, 01:43 AM

http://img344.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1161360951982150efebri2.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1161394632887hx2.jpg

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Fencedude

10-22-2006, 08:35 AM

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disarm said:
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Fencedude said:
Not bad. I still don't care one bit about Ayu at all, and Nayuki's not much better.
But man, Makoto is pure WIN.

[/ QUOTE ]
...Makoto strikes me as infinitely dumber than Nayuki (Edit: not saying I don't like Makoto, becuase I do, a lot), who has done very few dumb things so far, and almost none in this episode. I just can't make sense of your evaluations of the girls.

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I don't not like Ayu because she's dumb (though she is) I don't like her because....I don't like her. She immediately rubbed me the wrong way. So did Nayuki.

Makoto, while arguably just as dumb, if not dumber than Ayu, has the benefit of being VASTLY ENTERTAINING.

10-23-2006, 01:23 AM

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treatment said:
http://img344.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1161360951982150efebri2.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1161394632887hx2.jpg

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I chuckled, that I did. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

treatment

10-23-2006, 02:03 PM

http://img280.imageshack.us/my.php?image=226yu2.jpg

/me luvs her yata-yata-yata-yata-yata-yata-yata-yata-yata-yata! in ep-3. so genki. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

kinda bit surprising that i haven't seen the animated-gif version of her in that particular scene.

treatment

10-26-2006, 05:59 PM

Just blogged at Spoiler blog (http://www.designchronicle.com/memento/archives/kanon_ep04.html)

Darn it! The Mai main-feature will actually be in ep5 instead. Oh, well.

10-26-2006, 06:37 PM

Well so far the pacing has been nearly identical, but with twice the episode count they're going to have to start taking their time sooner or later. It only make sense it'll take longer to get to people's favorite moments from the original this time. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

treatment

10-27-2006, 12:52 AM

a'ight!

here are the main features/attractions of episode-4:

chibi Ayu Ayu
Nayuki in gymshorts (yay for nayuki-fanboys!)
Makoto being the super-cutest loli in all anime right now
Kaori being deftly seductive without even trying
Ayu without her duffel coat. Yeah, that means in her blue shorts and turtleneck. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif
battle of the loli-designs: Makoto vs Ayu
dramatic cliffhanger-intro of her super-awesomeness Mai

Specifically for those with Toei-Kanon still fresh in their memory and stuff, this episode-4's execution and portrayal of the similar-scenes (Ayu and Akiko's first meeting) were a bit lacking in comparison. Imo, the Toei-Kanon version had more intensity, while KyoAni-Kanon had more splendid details and expansions. To compensate, KyoAni had a better Makoto X Ayu meeting and interaction, as well as some mysterious foreboding that was not in the Toei-version.

fwiw, Kyuuichi was also too bland in this episode. Hope he picks it up in the next episode.

As such, the uber-righteous classic pose of Mai (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=maikawasumikanon2k6gf6.jpg) against the impressively-stunned Kyuuichi (http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kyuuichiep4hy3.jpg) was just very excellently done and totally complete with Mai's song (Girl's Prison) as the bgm.

Don't miss out on episode-5, coz the bestest Kanon-girl, her super-awesomeness Mai, will be demurely waiting (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kanonep5preved7.jpg). /images/graemlins/cool.gif w00t!!! w00t!!!

add:

very funny (http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=makotoep5prev2oz0.jpg) /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif /images/graemlins/relief.gif

houkoholic

10-27-2006, 01:28 AM

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treatment said:
Specifically for those with Toei-Kanon still fresh in their memory and stuff, this episode-4's execution and portrayal of the similar-scenes (Ayu and Akiko's first meeting) were a bit lacking in comparison. Imo, the Toei-Kanon version had more intensity, while KyoAni-Kanon had more splendid details and expansions.

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Considering Akiko's personality and the timeline we are at right now, I think it fitted very well. I always thought the Toei version was too exaggerated of an reaction from Akiko.

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fwiw, Kyuuichi was also too bland in this episode. Hope he picks it up in the next episode.

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No please don't, we really don't need anymore of this "Kyuuichi" thing as the story moves into the more serious tone. This episode's Yuuichi is very well done, you see a lot more of Yuuichi's gentleness and I liked how he was looking over Makoto and Ayu like an older brother, caring for them but also teasing them at the same time, for a moment they felt like a family. While the sharper-edged Yuuichi might be fun to watch, it's these heart warming moments which define Key's work.

beatmania

10-27-2006, 03:00 AM

Wasn't an overly exciting episode. Only thing of importance is the little pause when Ayu is introduced to Akiko. Ayu sure stared at Makoto for very long at the end though.

As for next ep, need more ice-cream, not gyudon!

houkoholic

10-27-2006, 03:08 AM

[ QUOTE ]
bemani said:
Wasn't an overly exciting episode. Only thing of importance is the little pause when Ayu is introduced to Akiko. Ayu sure stared at Makoto for very long at the end though.

As for next ep, need more ice-cream, not gyudon!

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Actually the whole interaction between Ayu and Makoto is more telling of their respective backgrounds than the reaction from Akiko. Makoto is afraid, either conciously or unconciously, of Ayu because they are similiar in nature - Makoto being a fox spirit is aware that Ayu is also a wandering spirit. Of course Ayu is still oblivious to this fact, but Makoto is definitely sensing something hence her unusual behaviour towards and only towards Ayu.

We need more gyudon, gyudon hasn't got her share of screen time yet!

treatment

10-27-2006, 03:21 AM

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houkoholic said:
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bemani said:

As for next ep, need more ice-cream, not gyudon!

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We need more gyudon, gyudon hasn't got her share of screen time yet!

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Yeah. Gyudon ftw!!!

Skywise

10-27-2006, 03:21 PM

[ QUOTE ]
houkoholic said:
Makoto is afraid, either conciously or unconciously, of Ayu because they are similiar in nature - Makoto being a fox spirit is aware that Ayu is also a wandering spirit. Of course Ayu is still oblivious to this fact, but Makoto is definitely sensing something hence her unusual behaviour towards and only towards Ayu.

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Actually I think Ayu knows it quite well, just that it's sort of an unconscious knowledge and so still affects how she reacts and talks to people. The prologue before the OP is rather clear on that part, and I'd even say spoilerish if it hadn't been for it being intended that way. How blunt a hammer do they want to hit us with anyway /images/graemlins/tongue.gif.

Mateo_home

10-27-2006, 06:18 PM

I found this to be a very cute episode. Maybe not the best, but very relaxing IMO. I especially found Makoto sneaking into Yuuichi's room to be really cute for some reason. Must have been her evil laugh to get back at Yuuichi with the Konnyaku (so that's what it called).

I take it Akiko knows Ayu from somewhere due to the pause in their introduction. Eh, I'll find out sooner or later. 

I was also hoping to see Mai in this episode only to be postponed. Only for me to look forward to even more and at least we (or I) know how Yuuichi is involved. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

10-27-2006, 08:43 PM

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Mateo said:
I take it Akiko knows Ayu from somewhere due to the pause in their introduction. Eh, I'll find out sooner or later. 

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, but later rather than sooner. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

treatment

10-28-2006, 03:36 AM

btw, did anybody noticed a couple or so of Air stuff in this ep4? I was a bit hoping for a cameo of the Air-girls, too. It's only fair payback, you know. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif /images/graemlins/cool.gif

treatment

10-28-2006, 12:46 PM

A little late for Halloween, but here:

cosplay:

Mai/Sayuri 3rd-year uniform (http://www.geestore.com/view_item.php?id=3598&cid=2ubyN33Ab41)

Nayuki/Kaori 2nd-year uniform (http://www.geestore.com/view_item.php?id=3597&cid=2ubyN33Ab41[/url)

Shiori first-year uniform (http://www.geestore.com/view_item.php?id=3596&img=4391&cid=2ubyN33Ab41)

practical:

Ayu's Duffel Coat (http://www.geestore.com/view_item.php?id=3769&cid=2ubyN33Ab41). No winged backpack, tho.

Expensive, too.

10-28-2006, 05:30 PM

The Duffel coat actually looks normal enough to wear for everyday actually.

Shiroi Hane

10-28-2006, 08:35 PM

Well there goes my blissful ignorance. I wish peple would make it clear when using spoiler tags in episode 4 posts that the spoilers are for way beyond episode 4.

TalonG4

10-29-2006, 07:13 PM

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Shiroi Hane said:
Well there goes my blissful ignorance. I wish peple would make it clear when using spoiler tags in episode 4 posts that the spoilers are for way beyond episode 4.

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I totally agree, thankfully I was being very careful. Just uncovering one word at a time. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

On another note, I looked up konnyaku (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konnyaku) ...sounds nasty, especially to eat it raw.

something

10-29-2006, 07:28 PM

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treatment said:
fwiw, Kyuuichi was also too bland in this episode. Hope he picks it up in the next episode.

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I think Yuuichi was great, and has been great. I prefer him over the original so much it isn't even funny.

From what I remember of Toei Kanon, this version blows it away in all respects. I doubt I'll ever be able to watch the original again.

Every episode this show raises the bar higher, and the preview for episode 5 by itself was better than most complete episodes of other shows XD I think, and this is what KyoAni has done best with Kanon '06, it's just the intensity of the atmosphere that really makes this a winner. In that respect it really feels like Air. As I watch I get so immersed in the setting, in the characters, in the music, in the little details. The intensity of how sucked in I am, even during light comedy scenes, is something rare.

Ayu visiting the Minase household was gold from start to finish, and the interaction between Ayu and Makoto had this really adorable-yet-ominous feel the whole time. I can't remember why that is from the original, but I don't really WANT to remember... I just want the basic outline of the original series to be in my head, so I get a bit of nostalgia while watching, but I want all the details to be as new as possible, because I want KyoAni to tell them to me in their own absolutely amazing way.

I can't wait for episode five. This a masterpiece in the making.

something

10-29-2006, 07:31 PM

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houkoholic said:
No please don't, we really don't need anymore of this "Kyuuichi" thing as the story moves into the more serious tone.

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Right. Time to drop the "K", and get into Kanon mode here. Haruhi is a wonderful show (my favorite), Kyon is a fantastic character (one of my favorites), I love hearing his voice actor again, but... no more "Kyuuichi", please. It's like running through a Rozen Maiden thread only referring to Suiseiseki as "Desu". It's a humorous joke once in awhile, but this is a series discussion, not a 4chan meme-fest.

>_> Anyway...

something

10-29-2006, 07:33 PM

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Shiroi Hane said:
Well there goes my blissful ignorance. I wish peple would make it clear when using spoiler tags in episode 4 posts that the spoilers are for way beyond episode 4.

[/ QUOTE ]
Seriously... thankfully I've seen the original Kanon, but I was just about to chastize the poster about not specifying when I saw your response... Sorry you saw it before anyone could give a warning =(

10-30-2006, 12:02 AM

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Shiroi Hane said:
Well there goes my blissful ignorance. I wish peple would make it clear when using spoiler tags in episode 4 posts that the spoilers are for way beyond episode 4.

[/ QUOTE ]

You should put a curse on him. As the show goes on you'll get more and more mad that you got this spoiled for you, as it really takes something away from what's to come if you know.

treatment

10-30-2006, 12:56 AM

just found this:

http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kanon15ta6.jpg

Skywise

10-30-2006, 10:55 AM

I don't know - as much as I like the new Kanon, it still doesn't have the same impact as the Toei version - yet. I think they're doing a good job, but the story hasn't really started so it's too early in many ways. If I watch the original all I have to do is watch the OP, and I'm so back there when I first watched it. The new Kanon doesn't have the same effect on me. Part of it is nostalgia I'm sure, but in a way it kind of seems like they're dragging out the remake, and not really making proper use of the extra time the 26 episode format gives it. Maybe 12/13 is the best setup for it after all? Time will tell really. What I do hope is that it's not just a remake, but that they do the plots differently as well, so as to show new sides of the characters.

10-30-2006, 11:21 AM

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treatment said:
just found this:

http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kanon15ta6.jpg

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I nabbed said scan a few days ago and filed it away in my "to be wallpapered" folder. I'll try to whip it up tonight.

hikaru004

10-30-2006, 07:08 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Xcalibur said:
[ QUOTE ]
Shiroi Hane said:
Well there goes my blissful ignorance. I wish peple would make it clear when using spoiler tags in episode 4 posts that the spoilers are for way beyond episode 4.

[/ QUOTE ]

You should put a curse on him. As the show goes on you'll get more and more mad that you got this spoiled for you, as it really takes something away from what's to come if you know.

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This is in response to houkoholic's spoiler. Read at you own risk.
SPOILER
You could think of Makoto's interaction with Ayu differently. As Makoto gets closer to the end of her time, she reverts back to fox form and fulfills her contract. So, more "Auu" which was a warning of impending sickness in the first version, weakness (as seen in ep. 4), loss of human memory, inability to eat and finally .... Her wariness with regards to Ayu can be seen as a manifestation of her reverting back. Animals are normally wary of strangers until you give them a treat, in this case cold taiyaki. Besides, I prefer the best Ayu line of thought, so it's an astral projection that functions as the real deal and not a "spirit" or "ghost" which usually can't interact with the environment on that level or an "angel" which animals shouldn't be scared of until ep. 24 proves otherwise.
SPOILER

This version may be aiming for a different "feel". The previous version was melodramatic and it was an emotional experience. It was also a condensed version. This version is so far a more mellow ride imo. You can tell from the OP and ED songs. It will probably be emotional at the right time , but I don't think that I will feel it like I did in the 13 episode series because they have more time to set things up gradually and resolve them.

So, it's the ride and not the destination that counts from my viewpoint.

mod edit - removed badly nested tags to make spoilers hidden.

treatment

10-30-2006, 07:15 PM

Ok, guys.

I know it's a bit difficult to hold stuff back, but please do hold back for the sake of the Kanon first-timers here.

Please keep the spoilers to a bare minimum. If you must, please red-label-bold it at least, e.g.

SPOILERthis is a major spoilerSPOILER

hikaru004

10-30-2006, 07:23 PM

Sorry. Since houkoholic was getting cursed, I was offering an alternate view so that the curse would be lessened. I'll adjust the post.

Fudce

10-30-2006, 07:44 PM

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hikaru004 said:
Sorry. Since houkoholic was getting cursed, I was offering an alternate view so that the curse would be lessened. I'll adjust the post.

[/ QUOTE ]

It's even worse now /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

hikaru004

10-30-2006, 07:59 PM

Oh dear, the curse is now at Ju-On level huh? Just remember that it's all conjecture until episode 24 has ended. Sorry again guys.

treatment

10-30-2006, 08:02 PM

I suggest removing the exposed paragraph altogether.

The ubb-codes are a bit finicky to work with.

hikaru004

10-30-2006, 08:16 PM

Is that better?

treatment

10-30-2006, 08:19 PM

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hikaru004 said:
Is that better?

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Yeah. That should be kewl.

The nesting of ubb-tags can be a pain to make it work right.

something

10-30-2006, 08:55 PM

[ QUOTE ]
treatment said:
Ok, guys.

I know it's a bit difficult to hold stuff back, but please do hold back for the sake of the Kanon first-timers here.

Please keep the spoilers to a bare minimum. If you must, please red-label-bold it at least, e.g.

SPOILERthis is a major spoilerSPOILER

[/ QUOTE ]
I've become of the opinion (and I've seen the original) that nobody should say a god damn thing about the progression of the original beyond anything that has been recreated in the remake. Tagged or not, red, pink, atomic yellow, 500 point font, gaudy flashing MS Office Word Art, a parade outside your window with huge floats that say "SPOILZ!!"... doesn't matter.

It's not appropriate, so just don't do it. Go start a Toei Kanon thread to parallel this one for that sort of discussion. People can't be trusted to always tag correctly (if at all) no matter what, and it's not worth even one slip-up.

Comparing scenes in this version to the original, such as Treatment likes to do, is fine. But talking about or even strongly hinting at later events in the story in this thread when a good number of people have not seen the original is just inconsiderate.

Fudce

10-30-2006, 09:04 PM

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disarm said:

SPOILERthis is a major spoilerSPOILER

[/ QUOTE ]
I've become of the opinion (and I've seen the original) that nobody should say a god damn thing about the progression of the original beyond anything that has been recreated in the remake. Tagged or not, red, pink, atomic yellow, 500 point font, gaudy flashing MS Office Word Art, a parade outside your window with huge floats that say "SPOILZ!!"... doesn't matter.

It's not appropriate, so just don't do it. Go start a Toei Kanon thread to parallel this one for that sort of discussion. People can't be trusted to always tag correctly (if at all) no matter what, and it's not worth even one slip-up.

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Something which we agree on. I'm on my first ever flirtation with the original, and I don't know which spoilers to read after each episodes, and which are spoilers on the plot of the series in the future, so to speak.

10-30-2006, 09:42 PM

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Xcalibur said:
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treatment said:
just found this:

http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kanon15ta6.jpg

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I nabbed said scan a few days ago and filed it away in my "to be wallpapered" folder. I'll try to whip it up tonight.

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And so it shall be. (http://spe.midco.net/tyrellgoetz/kanon04.jpg) /images/graemlins/happy.gif Up until the end of the week. Not a bad scan to begin with though after noise removal it still took a bit to remove the dust and scratches and pull the greenish/yellow tint out of the color. If anybody can spot where the text used to be let me know because I'm not very good with the clone stamp tool yet. Enjoy. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

edit: Thought treatment has posted the original scan but it was somebody's attempt at a wallpaper already. Oh well mine's for the non-widescreeners out there I guess. Actually I think mine did turn out better overall than the widescreen one treatment posted, though that person did get a better color balance than I did. The original scan was very faded except for the green and yellow which didn't give much to go on. *shrugs*

The Great Bear

10-30-2006, 09:52 PM

[ QUOTE ]
disarm said:
I've become of the opinion (and I've seen the original) that nobody should say a god damn thing about the progression of the original beyond anything that has been recreated in the remake. Tagged or not, red, pink, atomic yellow, 500 point font, gaudy flashing MS Office Word Art, a parade outside your window with huge floats that say "SPOILZ!!"... doesn't matter.

It's not appropriate, so just don't do it. Go start a Toei Kanon thread to parallel this one for that sort of discussion. People can't be trusted to always tag correctly (if at all) no matter what, and it's not worth even one slip-up.

Comparing scenes in this version to the original, such as Treatment likes to do, is fine. But talking about or even strongly hinting at later events in the story in this thread when a good number of people have not seen the original is just inconsiderate.

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Which is why I have been deliberately ignoring this thread since day one. I only wandered in here when I saw on the main forum board a post with the subject line "Kanon wallpaper." (By the way, thank you Xcalibur for the nice wallpaper).

*goes back out of thread, having not read any of the discussion*

something

10-30-2006, 10:27 PM

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Xcalibur said:
And so it shall be. (http://spe.midco.net/tyrellgoetz/kanon04.jpg) /images/graemlins/happy.gif

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And saved. Thanks again.

10-30-2006, 11:31 PM

You're welcome (you too disarm). /images/graemlins/happy.gif It's kinda becoming my thing. I figured since I spend so much time doing it I might as well share. Hopefully the mods don't feel it's off topic-ish for series discussion threads.

treatment

10-31-2006, 11:44 AM

just found:

Kanon street sign (http://img276.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1161267684387za8.jpg)

and if anybody can translate this:

http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1162228325910f8285wy5.jpg

/images/graemlins/cool.gif

treatment

11-01-2006, 11:25 AM

As we await her awesomeness to finally be featured, here's a comparo-pic of Game vs Toei vs KyoAni for Mai Kawasumi:

http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=maikanongmtkka3br9.jpg

I should've added a Yuki-shot, too. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif /images/graemlins/relief.gif

---

couldn't get a good panning shot of the toei-version for inclusion, so here's the Mai sword-pose game-vs-kyoani comparo instead:

un-rotated (http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=maiswordposegmkaunfh4.jpg)

rotated (http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=maiswordposegmka1ad9.jpg)

If you guys want more kanon game character-pics (among other things), go to http://orangeday.net/kanon/

treatment

11-02-2006, 02:14 PM

ep-5 teasers and spoilers at spoiler blog (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2006/11/02/kanon-05/)

Other watchers had stated this is the best ep so far and it seems like KyoAni served up a lolicious ep for the Fangboys.

And, of course, her awesomeness MAI!!!!!

--edit--

Ok. Unsurprisingly, Sugita's still boring and bland to me as the new Yuuichi so his monicker Kyuuichi stays on after this ep. I know he can do a better characterization than what he's doing so far, but he hasn't, yet. He's still on the generic lead-dude mode.

At any rate, here are the highlights of ep5:

Long, long awkward moment between Makoto and Kyuuichi at the beginning. /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

Mai nonchalantly fixing her hair after a .... /images/graemlins/cool.gif

Kyuuichi having a brain-fart at the breakfast-table.

Kyuuichi's own formal introduction to Sayuri as .... /images/graemlins/cool.gif

Kyuuichi hitting on Mai. /images/graemlins/relief.gif

Kyuuichi playing up a known cliche with Shiori. /images/graemlins/relief.gif

Shiori's fascination with snow. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

origin of Makoto's nikumanga-habit.

Makoto and Mai meeting.

As usual, KyoAni rearranged and re-did the scenes compared to the TK anime. Quite a significant difference and implementation that it'll depend on your perspective as to which version (tk vs kyoani) of the scenes were better in execution, intensity, circumstances and whatnots.

The Mai-scenes in this ep were ok and about up to par with the TK-anime, with more animation and an obvious prettier design but shorter time-allocation. The start of the Mai-arc was not quite as dominating as the TK-anime version, but we'll see how it really unfolds in the future episodes since KyoAni's interlocking several arcs all at once within each episode.

Finally, there were a few bits of subtle foreshadowing in this ep that were not in TK.

treatment

11-03-2006, 06:00 PM

Twins! (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=twinskh6.jpg)

And some people think Mikuru of Suzumiya was the prototype.

/images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif /images/graemlins/relief.gif

I think KyoAni's Misuzu was closer to the game-version of Sayuri, too. (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sayurimisuzucomparerr5.jpg) /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

Fencedude

11-03-2006, 06:26 PM

You know, Yuuichi's a bastard.

That bit with Makoto and the porn magazine was really, really low.

...this also makes the show about 10 times more watchable than it would be otherwise.

As someone on 4chan said, it should be titled (spoiler tagged so the more sensitive among you can avoid getting your panties in a wad): Kyon Messes With Retards in the Snow

aquastar831

11-04-2006, 07:21 AM

Those are great comparison shots. Even now, I still tend to think interchangeably between Sayuri and Misuzu, since they not only look exactly alike, but the fact that Tomoko Kawakami voices both of them.

They need to have an AIR cameo in there to add to the effect. They had the Kanon girls show up in one scene of AIR, so we need Misuzu to grace us with her presence.

11-05-2006, 09:49 PM

You know, people are always pointing these things out but really lots of characters that come from the same studio end up looking pretty similar. It's a common studio trademark and Kyani isn't anymore guilty of it than anybody else has. Heck if you sift through some of JC Staff or AIC's stuff I'm sure you find more than a couple identical twins too. /images/graemlins/happy.gif

treatment

11-06-2006, 11:57 AM

found this:

http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=558968312mm2.jpg

Very close. KyoAni should've really striped her socks, tho. Maybe they will in the dvd-version. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

There's also the bath-pic comparo, but the game-pic I found was a little too risque for imageshack. /images/graemlins/devil.gif

something

11-06-2006, 09:49 PM

I think that may have been the best reaction from a male walking in on a naked girl ever in the history of anime. "...Yo!" and "You could have joined me." XD

Makoto needs to sneeze more. Christ that was cute. So is Nayuki's narcolepsy. And, "Getting her to say octopus sausage makes me feel really happy for some reason!" Awesome. He interacts with Mai as if she were a paricularly standoffish pet cat or something /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif

Muahaha, casually taking advantage of Makoto's lack of knowledge about the world... Go buy me a porn magazine! I'm really really liking Makoto in this episode. The more she interacts with Yuuichi on a normal level (i.e., not "MUST GET REVENGE") the more interesting she is. Even simple things like talking about meat buns and manga I found very enjoyable.

Need more Shiori... for some reason she really intrigues me this time around, far more than I remember from the original. She seems so intelligent and witty, playful and mysterious. She hasn't been on screen much, but I have truly enjoyed the moments where she has.

So, after Makoto admitted to buying manga with the tofu money, and Akiko said "Can you leave the rest to me?", is it bad that all I could think about was naked Akiko spanking a naked Makoto? You naughty naughty girl~ And the look on Makoto's face when Mai nearly eviscerated her was possibly the highlight of this ep.

I'm loving the pacing of this so far. The cast and world of Kanon are so rich, that a very... "slice of life" (if I may contribute to the overuse of that term) episode like this just feels so right. And of course every episode is revealing a little bit more about the characters and what their deal is. Slowly, piece by piece, in a way that each episode stands as a cute/funny/dramatic bit in its own right, but each episode also further contributes to building the overall mood that is Kanon. I think they're doing a fantastic job so far, and I love every little glimpse we get into their world.

Bravo so far, and while I'm impatient to see what they'll do next I also want them to continue on at their own pace, and hopefully not bowing to pressure to GET 2 TEH DRAMA NAOOOOOOOO!!!!!1 or anything.

Edit: Mmm, "Last Regrets" sets the mood so well for this show.

ayareiko

11-07-2006, 01:32 AM

[ QUOTE ]
treatment said:
found this:

http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=558968312mm2.jpg

Very close. KyoAni should've really striped her socks, tho. Maybe they will in the dvd-version. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

There's also the bath-pic comparo, but the game-pic I found was a little too risque for imageshack. /images/graemlins/devil.gif

[/ QUOTE ]
Note the label on the bag in the lower left corner. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

stfram

11-08-2006, 01:13 AM

[ QUOTE ]
disarm said:
I think that may have been the best reaction from a male walking in on a naked girl ever in the history of anime. "...Yo!" and "You could have joined me." XD

Makoto needs to sneeze more. Christ that was cute.

[/ QUOTE ]

Makoto has so many sweet expressions in this episode.

When Yuuichi walks into the bath, for example..the look on her face is absolutely priceless.

The expression when she bites her tongue after saying "demon hunter" really fast..

Avatar heaven!

treatment

11-09-2006, 04:37 PM

ep6 has been blogged:

SPOILER BLOG (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2006/11/09/kanon-06/)

Considering the ep-count so far, it really seems like a re-arrangement of the later events from the TK-version. I'm now wondering who's really gonna be the IT-girl in KyoAni's version. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

Enjoy.

treatment

11-10-2006, 01:55 AM

This episode is AWESOME!!!

Without spoiling it for the first-timers...

I really enjoyed this ep and in how it all came together. KyoAni's talents and skills really were showcased here in how well they executed this entire ep, even with the rearrangement of a significant event from the first anime.

This ep is mostly an Ayu-ep, but Shiori, Nayuki, Makoto, and Mai (despite her brief scene-allocation again /images/graemlins/anger200.gif ) were also all superb in it. The different personalities of the girls all coming out and blending well together to make this remake really first-rate. Nayuki's animated really, err, well. seriously!!! /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif /images/graemlins/relief.gif

As for Kyuuichi, Sugita's still over-acting and over-loud half of the time in this ep. Despite the girls' performances pretty much carrying him along and masking his rather inept performance, there were indeed a few times the Yuuichi-ness was slowly coming out in bits and pieces, instead of his usual overacting/underacting Kyuuichi-ness. As such, he's just not nailing it, yet, like he quickly nailed his Hideki(chobits) and Mayama (H&C) characters perfectly.

The bgm's have finally returned to some good usage and some good selections to give more needed atmosphere to this series.

Some snapshots I took:

http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ep61bqf7.jpg

http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ep62aka1.jpg

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Next week's ep-7 promises KyoAni's version of The Fox and the Grapes episode. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

houkoholic

11-10-2006, 02:54 AM

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treatment said:
As for Kyuuichi, Sugita's still over-acting and over-loud half of the time in this ep. Despite the girls' performances pretty much carrying him along and masking his rather inept performance, there were indeed a few times the Yuuichi-ness was slowly coming out in bits and pieces, instead of his usual overacting/underacting Kyuuichi-ness. As such, he's just not nailing it, yet.

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May I ask what are you basing this on? The 2002 Kanon Yuuichi? Because you know, Sugita's performance is actually nailing the game Yuuichi to the point of being creepy, and it's not Kyon-ness that Sugita is carrying over from Haruhi, but rather because the game Yuuichi does in fact share a lot of similiarities from Kyon, his line delivery is perfect for the game Yuuichi. Yuuichi's character is supposed to be in a different realm to the girls and he is suppose to feel out of place in the midest of all these things, he is suppose to be the level-headed one reacting to the out of ordinary surrounding him and not living in it with the girls. Both Sugita and Kyoani's direction is nailing this part of the game to a T.

I have to stress over and over that Yuuichi is *suppose* to be like this, 2002 Kanon Yuuichi is not really Yuuichi. That's the end of it.

treatment

11-10-2006, 11:48 AM

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houkoholic said:
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treatment said:
As for Kyuuichi, Sugita's still over-acting and over-loud half of the time in this ep. Despite the girls' performances pretty much carrying him along and masking his rather inept performance, there were indeed a few times the Yuuichi-ness was slowly coming out in bits and pieces, instead of his usual overacting/underacting Kyuuichi-ness. As such, he's just not nailing it, yet.

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May I ask what are you basing this on? The 2002 Kanon Yuuichi? Because you know, Sugita's performance is actually nailing the game Yuuichi to the point of being creepy, and it's not Kyon-ness that Sugita is carrying over from Haruhi, but rather because the game Yuuichi does in fact share a lot of similiarities from Kyon, his line delivery is perfect for the game Yuuichi. Yuuichi's character is supposed to be in a different realm to the girls and he is suppose to feel out of place in the midest of all these things, he is suppose to be the level-headed one reacting to the out of ordinary surrounding him and not living in it with the girls. Both Sugita and Kyoani's direction is nailing this part of the game to a T.

I have to stress over and over that Yuuichi is *suppose* to be like this, 2002 Kanon Yuuichi is not really Yuuichi. That's the end of it.

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As of six episodes so far, Sugita is basically just reading out (sometimes loudly) his character-lines. He's not really voice-acting like I'm used to him with his other known roles.

He is either being directly generic or being directed to be generic. There is no distinctive uniqueness in his character other than his visual-design. There is no personality to his Yuuichi-characterization other than being just another deep-voiced male-lead. Sugita is much much more vocally creative than what he's givng us with his current Kyuuichi.

The way I understand it, the Yuuichi-char was not voiced in the original game so I don't exactly know how and where Sugita's nailing the character to a T is coming from when there's no direct comparison. The only thing he's nailing so far is prolly reading the similar dialogue-script that came from the game. Hiroki Takahashi (Harima Kenji) and the other known deep-voiced male-leads could do that reading better and with more emotion than what Sugita is currently doing, imo.

As such, everyone has or will have their own different ideas of how Yuuichi should be voiced. Sugita and KyoAni's direction have been too generic so far in presenting his character.

TalonG4

11-12-2006, 08:48 AM

I watched ep. 6 and it was very good as are all of them. This one was maybe a little better because of much Ayu-ness although Yuuichi was pretty mean in this episode.

On another note, I've decided to watch the Toei version along aside from this one for comparison's sake. I'm noticing a lot of the similarities(some of them are pretty subtle) but also a few differences which are interesting. I'm thinking it's probably just story order though.
We'll see. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

houkoholic

11-12-2006, 08:53 AM

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treatment said:
As of six episodes so far, Sugita is basically just reading out (sometimes loudly) his character-lines. He's not really voice-acting like I'm used to him with his other known roles.

He is either being directly generic or being directed to be generic. There is no distinctive uniqueness in his character other than his visual-design. There is no personality to his Yuuichi-characterization other than being just another deep-voiced male-lead. Sugita is much much more vocally creative than what he's givng us with his current Kyuuichi.

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Yuuichi's personality IS suppose to be fairly generic, he is not suppose to be too different to a normal guy (not a no-good loser nor a particularly attractive guy either). He is a normal person placed in an abnormal situation (yes, insert Haruhi reference if you must), he is looking at absurd situation through the eyes of a normal person would and acting cynical like a normal person should. This is your so-called "Kyuiichi", but as I've stated, Yuuichi IS set out to be this sort of character at the very beginning for the purpose of the game, even in the game Yuuichi is totally faceless so that the player can more easily associate himself with the character of Yuuichi, any sort of special qualities, whether good or bad, would simply destory the character and purpose of "Yuuichi" in the story of Kanon. This characterisation of Yuuichi is not Sugita being Kyon and Sugita is not underhandling his role. The fact that you keep call Yuuichi generic means that Sugita and Kyoani is actually doing their job very well and not it being a fault.

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The way I understand it, the Yuuichi-char was not voiced in the original game so I don't exactly know how and where Sugita's nailing the character to a T is coming from when there's no direct comparison. The only thing he's nailing so far is prolly reading the similar dialogue-script that came from the game. Hiroki Takahashi (Harima Kenji) and the other known deep-voiced male-leads could do that reading better and with more emotion than what Sugita is currently doing, imo.

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Because the way Sugita delievering the lines is exactly how the line reads when you play the game. Yes a lot of the lines from both the Toei and Kyoani version were lifted directly from the game script, and when one replays the same scene and mentally replays those lines read by the seiyuu, Sugita's delivery just "fit" in both tone snd delivery. As I stress again, unlike many other such harem male leads, Yuuichi is not particularly outstanding in anyway and Yuuichi's character don't really exist in the same enviornment as the girls, he is supposed to feel like an outsider to this fantasy-like enviornment, the girls lives in their own little fantasy world and it is Yuuichi's duty, as the main character, to cast a different view, a view from a fairly normal person, into this fantasy because that's the plot of the story. To have him being emotional and as energetic and excited as the girls is simply not the point of Yuuichi's character. Again, it is kind of a Kyon-ness to this, but again, Yuuichi's character predates Kyon anyway.

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As such, everyone has or will have their own different ideas of how Yuuichi should be voiced. Sugita and KyoAni's direction have been too generic so far in presenting his character.

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As a player of the game, I think your issue with Yuuichi really just stems from the fact that your expectation of Yuuichi's character is different to what Yuuichi's character really is and thus blaming this on the cast and Kyoani. It seems to me that you think Yuuichi should have some sort of special charm points (either good or bad) which makes the girls attracted to him which drives the romance of the story but this is simply not the case in the story of Kanon.

stfram

11-13-2006, 05:36 AM

treatment

11-13-2006, 12:52 PM

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TalonG4 said:
I watched ep. 6 and it was very good as are all of them. This one was maybe a little better because of much Ayu-ness although Yuuichi was pretty mean in this episode.

On another note, I've decided to watch the Toei version along aside from this one for comparison's sake. I'm noticing a lot of the similarities(some of them are pretty subtle) but also a few differences which are interesting. I'm thinking it's probably just story order though.
We'll see. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

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Pretty much, but Toei-K had a specific anime-only plot-point, whereas KyoAni-K's sticking close to the game-stuff.

As such and as much Ayu-goodness this ep6 had, the dazed&confused Nayuki nattonatto-animation was just too damn awesomely funny. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

treatment

11-14-2006, 12:28 PM

found this interesting graph at the other forum:

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8804/kanonuguaudayovb5.jpg

graph-legend:

Ayu's 'Uguu' (Yellow)
Nayuki 'Dayo' (Blue)
Makoto 'Auu' (Orange)
Young Ayu's 'Uguu' (Pink)

/images/graemlins/cool.gif /images/graemlins/relief.gif

aquastar831

11-14-2006, 11:36 PM

Just wanted to put in some of my comments on this ep. I think this episode makes Ayu even more adorable than in the original series. Her face and reaction to the movie poster was funny, but you feel sympathy for her because she's so cute. By the way, you guys notice something about the movie poster?

The things that Yuuichi does during this ep are definitely what his character is supposed to be personality-wise from what I remember of the game. He's supposed to be a jerk in ways but he's still a likeable character because he does have the compassionate side to him when it comes to the girls.

As much as I thought it was funny to see Ayu freaking out with her "uguu"s, just hearing the movie sounds was a little too much for that scene. I did like when Ayu kept following Yuuichi for a little bit, because she was scared to go home after that movie. That's another scene that makes her so adorable.

I still have to wonder about what Mai knows about Makoto. Because Makoto's arc they approached a little differently than the original series. 

Overall, I'm really liking this remake of the series. I'm glad that Kyoto Animation decided to do it and with wonderful designs for the characters, plus the expanded length of the series. I didn't know this for a long time, but the voice for Shiori is a different seiyuu/VA this time right?

Again, pleeeease a US company pick this series up. We want Kanon for US Region 1!

Suwako Moriya

11-15-2006, 12:08 AM

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aquastar831 said:
I still have to wonder about what Mai knows about Makoto. Because Makoto's arc they approached a little differently than the original series. 

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Good question because right now it feels like Mai is figuratively breaking the fourth wall by being an all-knowing being.

treatment

11-15-2006, 01:28 AM

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aquastar831 said:
I didn't know this for a long time, but the voice for Shiori is a different seiyuu/VA this time right?

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Akemi Satou (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=15169) voiced Shiori in both Toei and KyoAni anime-versions of Kanon.

However, the original Shiori-voice was actually Hiroko Konishi (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=833) in the game-version of Kanon, iirc.

As for the movie-poster, some say it's an homage to an old Tactics' h-game titled Moon. The official Moon-site is NSFW, btw, so I won't link it.

Fwiw, some spotted some homages to another Tactics game/anime, One (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=56), in ep-1, too.

AstroNerdBoy

11-15-2006, 03:35 AM

For episode 6, I was rather disappointed. The episode basically recovered a lot of ground we'd already covered. Mai gives the same advice she did in episode 5. Akiko-san again seems to indicate she knows something more about Ayu. Nayuki continued her "I'm so sleepy" gag. Makoto continued her "must get revenge" without any advancement on her story arc (which I'm guessing will now come to fruition). Shiori just showed up to say, "I'm here" without adding anything. And I'm getting a little weary of Yuuichi's "mean oniichan" routine.

Ayu got a bit more though with the date.

Don't get me wrong; I enjoy this show thus far. I loved the original anime. However, I felt that episode 6 had way to much recovering of old ground rather than working on pushing forward.

Also, the supernatural elements to date have been MIA. In the original, Makoto's arrival made me go, "What the...?!" It was clear that there was something special about her even if I didn't know what that was. In the 2006 version, that supernatural arrival element is gone (even though it will have to show up eventually considering she's a kitsune.

Also, there's Mai. In the original, one could see physical manifestations of the things she was fighting. Thus far, we've seen nothing to indicate anything supernatural. We'll see where things progress to.

treatment

11-15-2006, 11:57 AM

Just be patient for stuff. While the original was only 13-eps, this KyoAni-version is a 24-ep remake, so things/stuff/events are bound to be stretched/hidden/rearranged/etc/etc.

In the meantime, just enjoy KyoAni's ponytails:

http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kyoaniponytailsjm0.jpg /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif /images/graemlins/cool.gif

Suwako Moriya

11-16-2006, 05:27 AM

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treatment said:
Just be patient for stuff. While the original was only 13-eps, this KyoAni-version is a 24-ep remake, so things/stuff/events are bound to be stretched/hidden/rearranged/etc/etc.

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My main hope is that by being 24 episodes is this. That some of the events in the original games that may have been cut out of the Toei version will end up in the KyoAni version. Whatever those events, scenes, or whatever you want to call them are.

treatment

11-16-2006, 12:51 PM

for those that can't wait, SPOILER BLOG for ep7 (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2006/11/16/kanon-07/)

treatment

11-17-2006, 04:51 PM

Well, first-half of ep7 was all pretty much about Nayuki-isms and the re-introduction of the kitty. Another character was informally introduced. I know you vets know their names, but don't spill it for the first-timers, yet.

The second-half heralds the start of the Makoto-arc.

Impressions-wise as a Kanon-anime vet, KyoAni did the bridge, the search and aftermath scenes/segments differently. All I can say is that the Toei-Kanon version was clearly more intense and more impactful in direct comparison, whereas the KyoAni-version just had more Makoto-expressions and glow. Yeah. Glow. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

More Makoto stuff in ep8.

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add (non-ep7 stuff):

found more mag-scans for wallpaper-usage:

http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1161975928995453339x200yj2.jpg

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http://img396.imageshack.us/my.php?image=116367424456296mm7.jpg

something

11-17-2006, 08:20 PM

Wheeeeee~ Ep 6:
Little Yuuichi is a smooth operator. Little Ayu wants it, bad.
Hah, go Yuuichi, it's like he's throwing a live grenade back at the enemy XD Makoto is hit by a counter for MASSIVE DAMAGE.
Yuuichi has been awesome every episode so far. He has such a laid back attitude about anything, and I don't find it "boring" at all. He's just very casual, intelligent, and levelheaded. This makes it all the more hysterical when he so calmly jokes around with Ayu and the others, like when he invited Akiko to the movie instead of Ayu XD
Akiko, you're so mysterious, I love it~
::rolls up classified ads, clunks Makoto in he head with it::
In her own way, Shiori may be the cutest of all the girls... Or at least the best mental rival for Yuuichi. Ayu may still be cutest in the traditional sense, but I really do love Shiori. Here's hoping she gets lots and lots of screentime.
Ayu, utterly terrified at the poster for the horror movie = win. Even better while they were in there. "So there are variations of uguu~ huh?" But best of all was in the coffee shop where he just suddenly screams XD In fact, he just made fun of her the whole time, and it was all gold. I swear, his poking fun at the girls is great so far, since it's all done in this sort of brotherly way, there's no real malice behind it.
Mai is so fun, even if she isn't doing much, she gets to play the 'mysterious girl' role.
And that was a bit of a strange ending... Miso Soup Bath draining away /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif Akiko has the patience of a saint.
So speaking of ED animations that are basically just characters running... I need someone to edit the My~Otome ED animation to Ayu in an Otome outfit running through the heavens, STAT.

Ep. 7
DEATH JAMU! Yuuichi and Nayuki just look on like they're watching a horrible plane crash and know they can do nothing to stop it XD
Neko, neko, neko~~~ The look on Nayuki's face wins like 50 internets. Awesome.
MAI'S CONSTIPATION!
Ayu should play football.
Ok, said a lot less about this ep because I was so drawn into it~ Very, very good Makoto episode. And a great performance from everyone, as usual. Yuuichi's VA did a great job during the "yell at Makoto" scene, and this was certainly an important ep for her generally. Once again, I'm ever more happy that I've forgotten so many details from the original. I know the outcomes, but can't remember how they got there. And besides, KyoAni's will likely be different anyway, given the double ep count.
I really, really like the next episode previews. This one especially seemed pretty awesome. Normally I skip them in most shows because they can be spoily, but since spoilers aren't the problem with Kanon that they are with other shows, since it's a remake and I've seen the original, I feel free to watch them. Even if I hadn't seen the original though, I don't see much if anything in these that I'd consider spoilery anyway.

And lastly, since we're seven eps down right now... I am so engrossed by the pace and mood of the show so far that I'm having a hard time imagining how this story could have ever been told in 13 episodes, let alone figuring out how I liked it so much then. There is far too much richness in the atmosphere and feel of Kanon, at least under KyoAni, to squeeze into 13 episodes. I feel like they're going to pace this perfectly for the 24 ep run.

something

11-17-2006, 08:32 PM

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AstroNerdBoy said:
Don't get me wrong; I enjoy this show thus far. I loved the original anime. However, I felt that episode 6 had way to much recovering of old ground rather than working on pushing forward.

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And quite on the contrary, I am damn glad they're taking their time. There is no reason why they'd have to blast their way forward when they have almost twice as many episodes as the original. Toei's Kanon did a great job with the story in 13, and KyoAni has 24, so there's obviously room to have a little fun.

I thought episode six was fantastic, and it is ~exactly~ the kind of thing I hoped to see when I heard Kanon was being remade and getting a full 24 ep run. STORYSTORYSTORYGOGOGOGO! is great and all, but I'd prefer they develop a great story AND give us more character interaction time than the 13 episode run could have hoped to do.

11-17-2006, 10:20 PM

Sorry bro, I'm not nearly that talented with text removal. /images/graemlins/depresse.gif

treatment

11-18-2006, 10:22 PM

music trivia-stuff for ep7.

In case someone else's trying to keep track of the various bgm on this KyoAni remake,

the song for the new girl across the photo-booth sounded like a new arrangement/version of the first few seconds of the Pure Snows song (Recollections and Anemoscope album versions). The game-OST version of the same song is distinctly much different.

the song played in the stairs/dinner-table scenes with Makoto is Zankou (Afterglow). Nicely chosen song, too.

Yeah. KyoAni's definitely pulling Kanon-music versions from more than just the game-OST and doing new arrangements/versions. Only a matter of time 'til they announce a new TV-ost. /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

11-19-2006, 07:02 PM

I really liked the music selections here as well. They all sounded awfully familiar to me but it had been so long they felt new at the same time adding to the enjoyment. Definitely remixed a bit too and for the better IMO.

I think we're far enough in to start to see the pacing differences now too. By the end this time the characters will be much more fully developed with all this extra time. I'm looking forward to it.

treatment

11-20-2006, 10:13 PM

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Xcalibur said:
Sorry bro, I'm not nearly that talented with text removal. /images/graemlins/depresse.gif

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found another good one and with the text and stuff removed:

http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=44464304db1.jpg

this was the original: http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1nd1.jpg

hail the almighty Mai! /images/graemlins/cool.gif

treatment

11-22-2006, 04:23 PM

guess these were taken with either cellphone-cam or something:

http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=26682vi6.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=26685ge5.jpg

Pretty good stuff, but don't know which magazine it came from.

edit:

proper scan of 1st-pic (http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=moeimoutoorgp1164368836yg7.jpg)

proper scan of 2nd-pic (http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1164275253055253528x232gu4.jpg)

treatment

11-23-2006, 10:27 PM

This is another well-done and well-executed episode from KyoAni. For the Kanon-vets, this is another slight KyoAni-interpretation of the same events from the Toei-version.

I can't really tell much without spoiling the whole thing as alot of info and stuff are packed into this single episode, so I'll just post the snapshots. fwiw, I think my titling for this episode is already much of a spoiler.

At any rate, here are the non-spoilerific snaps:

the Kyuuichi sparkle (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ep81on3.jpg) /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

Kyuuichi eyeballing Mai's sexy butt (http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ep82ya8.jpg) /images/graemlins/devil.gif

The new girl getting the look from Kyuuichi (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ep83hn4.jpg) /images/graemlins/sweat200.gif

Her again. She's cute. (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ep84lr7.jpg). /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

hey! It's Misuzu-chin of Air!!! (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ep85jk9.jpg) /images/graemlins/cool.gif

Makoto baiting the lolicon-viewers (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ep86zk0.jpg) /images/graemlins/relief.gif

Makoto seduction? (http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ep87hp1.jpg) /images/graemlins/relief.gif

Kyuuichi propositioning the new girl for some after-school hanky-panky? (http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ep88hr2.jpg) /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

This ep8 should be the last vestiges of Sugita's Kyon-ness. He is finally transitioning his Kyuuichi-mode into the proper Yuuichi-mode now by finally vocal-acting the necessary dramatic tones of his character.

As for the bgm, KyoAni used a couple more Recollections-version songs:

Asakage (Morning Breeze)
Fuyu No Hanabi (Fireworks of Winter)

If you guys wanna get spoiled, garten already spoiler-blogged (http://www.designchronicle.com/memento/archives/kanon_ep08.html) this ep8 at his site.

houkoholic

11-23-2006, 11:23 PM

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treatment said:
This ep8 should be the last vestiges of Sugita's Kyon-ness. He is finally transitioning his Kyuuichi-mode into the proper Yuuichi-mode now by finally vocal-acting the necessary dramatic tones of his character.

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I keep telling you, the "Kyon-ness" is part of Yuuichi's character. Yuuichi is suppose to turn from a his indifferentness and open up himself to caring once he learns the details and starts piecing all the missing pieces together. That's Yuuichi's change and growth, and all the other episodes before shows the same thing - a cold, cynical outside but showing that there is a warm and caring side inside as well. This is *not* Kyon Sugita is bringing over. Yuuichi has "Kyon" in him from the beginning. That *is* the original Yuuichi and Toei Yuuichi is not really what Yuuichi is suppose to be (which I'm fairly certain is what you're basing all these Kyon-ichi business on from everything I've read in this thread).

something

11-24-2006, 01:53 PM

Oishii ne? ::sparkles:: Wahaha, awesome. Yuuichi wins.
Great look on Makoto's face when Yuuichi greets her at the school gate asking why she was waiting. "Warui~?" ::pouts::
I swear that cat is glued to her head. It doesn't even budge.
More Yuuichi joking with Makoto... "If it's you naked, I've already seen it." Heh.
I totally don't remember anything from the original about an older girl from his youth named Sawatari Makoto... I take this as a good sign of course. I don't want to remember, that way it feels fresher =D
Amano's voice isn't working for me. Not sure why... but whatever, no biggie, I'll get used to it.
I really like this more honest interaction between Makoto and Yuuichi. They still rip on each other, but in a very cute and heartwarming way.
XD Nayuki like neko! She just turns to goo when confronted with a cat =P
Top note scene there from the "lets make a paper airplane" to reading the manga together in bed while that one bgm track played, before they go to eat. Superb stuff.
Yikes, the whole revelation scene was kind of abrupt. Good, but abrupt. I suppose it's not like it hadn't been hinted at previously but even so...
I do wonder how they plan to structure the series. In the shorter original, with only 13 eps it obviously felt like the storylines were finished in rapid succession near the end. But will this longer series just knock the girls off (er, in terms of their storylines, not killing them /images/graemlins/sweat000.gif) one by one? It's hard to imagine Makoto ending up however she's going to end up just an episode or two from now, because then... no more Makoto the rest of the series? I can't remember enough of the structure of the original to make a guess, and at any rate I'd prefer to just find out what KyoAni is going to do, on their timetable. Well, this was another fantastic episode and I can't wait to see more.

something

11-24-2006, 01:56 PM

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houkoholic said:
[ QUOTE ]
treatment said:
This ep8 should be the last vestiges of Sugita's Kyon-ness. He is finally transitioning his Kyuuichi-mode into the proper Yuuichi-mode now by finally vocal-acting the necessary dramatic tones of his character.

[/ QUOTE ]I keep telling you, the "Kyon-ness" is part of Yuuichi's character. Yuuichi is suppose to turn from a his indifferentness and open up himself to caring once he learns the details and starts piecing all the missing pieces together.

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Not to mention that in terms of quality, the voice acting hasn't changed at all. Sugita isn't suddenly injecting emotion in needed scenes where he wasn't before... he's been playing every scene perfectly sensibly from the start. There's been no qualitative difference in that respect.

mk2000

11-24-2006, 03:06 PM

I knew it, I knew it...I'm going to be balling my eyes out by the time this series is over. They bait you with the comedy and blind side you with a giant club of "sad girls in the snow".
/images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

Good stuff, though. /images/graemlins/knowital.gif

something

11-24-2006, 03:34 PM

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mk2000 said:
I knew it, I knew it...I'm going to be balling my eyes out by the time this series is over. They bait you with the comedy and blind side you with a giant club of "sad girls in the snow".

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Mmm, I love getting clubbed by sad girls in snow. But yes, we certainly have a wealth of snow in Kanon. And girls. And I don't think sadness will be in short supply either.

11-27-2006, 05:11 PM

New wallpaper goodies to share. Since it's been a while I have two to offer this time, and in any case it was appropriate since they go together in a very cute way if you pay attention. :)

Wallpaper 1 (http://spe.midco.net/tyrellgoetz/kanon06.jpg)
Wallpaper 2 (http://spe.midco.net/tyrellgoetz/kanon07.jpg)

The first turned out better simply because there were fewer darker areas, but I was getting frustrated with both and decided to just wrap it up without tackling some of the less noticeable noise problems after filtering. I moved to a different version of Photoshop and can't seem to get my brush settings the way I want them again. As always feedback is appreciated. :)

EDIT: forgot to mention they're only going to be up until friday evening (or whenever I feel motivated to fire up the FTP client, whichever happens to come first).

something

11-27-2006, 06:02 PM

Suwako Moriya

11-27-2006, 06:10 PM

New wallpaper goodies to share. Since it's been a while I have two to offer this time, and in any case it was appropriate since they go together in a very cute way if you pay attention. :)

That's for certain and both make very nice images. Still they also make me feel sorry for Mai as she's left out of it. Although maybe Sayuri will be willing to draw Mai and perhaps do more. <Insert blatant fantasy here>

Fudce

11-28-2006, 05:31 AM

For some reason, I keep expecting Ayu to fall down flat on her face during the end credits.

The Great Bear

11-28-2006, 08:44 AM

Suwako Moriya

11-28-2006, 09:14 AM

For some reason, I keep expecting Ayu to fall down flat on her face during the end credits.

Would this also include Yuuichi becoming a potential victim of an(other) Ayu-charge? Because without tht, it would just another fall.

treatment

11-29-2006, 12:23 PM

http://cospa.com/db/up.php?NO=4531894266297

http://cospa.com/db/up.php?NO=4531894266303

not bad, eh? :neko:

TalonG4

11-29-2006, 12:50 PM

I love the Nayuki jammies in this show. Now I just need a Nayuki to put in them. :evil:

treatment

11-30-2006, 02:37 PM

As usual, omni's the first to spoiler-blogged (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2006/11/30/kanon-09/) it.

treatment

12-01-2006, 02:54 PM

Just found the textless-version:

http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1164924364920jh7.jpg

angelx03

12-01-2006, 03:08 PM

As usual, omni's the first to spoiler-blogged (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2006/11/30/kanon-09/) it.

I don't think I'll be able to handle the next episode after seeing episode 9. :cry:

mk2000

12-01-2006, 11:50 PM

Watashimo :cry: :cry:

treatment

12-02-2006, 04:55 PM

Galaxy Kanon girls (http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/5205/1165044251858cd6.jpg) :cool: :tired:

the current arc's featured characters (http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=116508505787680al1.jpg)

who wants some icing? (http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=116500901775650ww6.jpg)

something

12-03-2006, 02:04 AM

Episode 9!

I thought I was going to twitch out of my skin at the ungodly cuteness of the toothbrushing scene. <3 Makotoooo~!

In any event, what they lacked in the somewhat overly abrupt handling of the revelation in episode 8 (not that it was bad) they more than made up for with their handling of episode 9. They convey clearly Makoto's gradual but devastating physical and mental devolution and Yuuichi's reaction to it. The whole storyline is brutal but elegant, and KyoAni is in top form in terms of pacing and animation again. The view of the city through a heavy snowstorm that was shown while Yuuichi read Makoto the manga was beautiful, and as usual all the voice actors were in top form (even Amano who for some reason bugged me last episode).

Episode 10 is going to be painful in a wonderful way. It's hard to watch a character that was so lively and happy until now just turn into mush. I can't wait to see how they handle wrapping things up with this storyline. And what girl will be next? Probably Mai.

Ah, Kanon... hands down the best show of the season, not that I expected any less.

treatment

12-07-2006, 12:58 PM

Kanon episode 10 SPOILER-blogged (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2006/12/07/kanon-10/)

as such, ep-11 will finally be super-awesome MAI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cool: :P

12-07-2006, 01:05 PM

Episode 9 was simply fantastic. I've always felt the show was far more developed than the original Toei version but with this episode it clearly pulls far ahead and leaves no doubt in terms of characterization and mood. It sucker punches you emotionally in a very real way like Air does. I was torn up watching this week. Absolutely perfect music choices too.

How depressing it is to think that this won't get licensed readily because it'll be seen as having limited appeal.

something

12-07-2006, 09:36 PM

How depressing it is to think that this won't get licensed readily because it'll be seen as having limited appeal.
I like to think it has a much better chance than the original, and if Haruhi is licensed and does well (as FMP:TSR will, we know), maybe the name KyotoAnimation will hold some more weight with licensors. Whether or not the public makes the connection (get those "From the team behind Haruhi and FMP TSR!" stickers ready...) might be another issue.

But simply by being a much, much prettier and cleaner and better presented property than the original Kanon makes me think this show has a shot... and now there's lots of prerelease buzz that will hopefully give it more of a chance, although we have no idea if KyoAni/Whoever is in charge of licensing will be as unrealistic on price as Toei... I'm still guardedly hopeful though.