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Fort Max

10-23-2006, 05:01 PM

Guys,

I just saw this posted on Zincpanic.com (a site dedicated to Jpn mecha toys) and was wondering if anyone has any details?

http://www.zincpanic.com/view_article.phtml?id=26431

I couldn't find anything on ANN about it and this is the first I've heard of it.

Fencedude

10-23-2006, 05:09 PM

Its a novel.

Lego

10-23-2006, 05:30 PM

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Its a novel.

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I really wish we would get a gundam like 0083, 0080, or even Zeta. But Gundam Seed is the hip thing right now, so Bandai would be stupid to not milk it for all it's worth.

hub

10-23-2006, 06:14 PM

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I really wish we would get a gundam like 0083, 0080, or even Zeta. But Gundam Seed is the hip thing right now, so Bandai would be stupid to not milk it for all it's worth.

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What I'd really like to see is an anime using Reiko Holinger and Catharine Blitzen as the leads. /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif

Vicserr

10-23-2006, 06:20 PM

I would Joygasm Hard for some new UC Gundam Anime /images/graemlins/stunned1.gif

J-Syxx

10-23-2006, 06:54 PM

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Its a novel.

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I really wish we would get a gundam like 0083, 0080, or even Zeta. But Gundam Seed is the hip thing right now, so Bandai would be stupid to not milk it for all it's worth.

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Honestly, the only way I'd want to see more is if Tomino made it himself. 08th MS Team was un-adulterated crap imho, even if green ex-Wing fans latched onto it when it was showed on CN. 0080 had good characters and a nice story, but it really didn't have a lot to do with mobile suits. Frankly I don't think anyone can do it like Tomino, everyone else is missing all the x-factors that made them good. But I guess I could say that for all Gundam over all as well, not just UC.

Fencedude

10-23-2006, 07:08 PM

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Lego said:
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Its a novel.

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I really wish we would get a gundam like 0083, 0080, or even Zeta. But Gundam Seed is the hip thing right now, so Bandai would be stupid to not milk it for all it's worth.

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Honestly, the only way I'd want to see more is if Tomino made it himself. 08th MS Team was un-adulterated crap imho, even if green ex-Wing fans latched onto it when it was showed on CN. 0080 had good characters and a nice story, but it really didn't have a lot to do with mobile suits. Frankly I don't think anyone can do it like Tomino, everyone else is missing all the x-factors that made them good. But I guess I could say that for all Gundam over all as well, not just UC.

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Yep!

No one can tell a disjointed, badly written story quite like Tomino!

Thanatos

10-23-2006, 07:31 PM

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Yep!

No one can tell a disjointed, badly written story quite like Tomino!

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For real! The best Gundams are the ones he didn't write.

Fencedude

10-23-2006, 07:39 PM

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Yep!

No one can tell a disjointed, badly written story quite like Tomino!

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For real! The best Gundams are the ones he didn't write.

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A week ago I rewatched CCA with some friends, one of whom had never seen it.

I'd totally forgotten how horrible the plot of that movie really was. We were all laughing our asses off at Char's bullshit.

houkoholic

10-23-2006, 10:24 PM

Fencedude

10-23-2006, 10:38 PM

houkoholic

10-23-2006, 10:54 PM

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Turn-A, is the exception, not the rule.

(and it contains most of the elements that screw up the rest of his Gundam series, but for some reason they work in Turn-A)

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Exception? MSG and Zeta are both extra-ordinary works which influenced many anime work which followed it. And Victory is a gem that didn't get appreciated until very recently. These Tomino works all have infinitely more depth and forsight than any of the UC side stories and can withstand the test of time, where as works such as 0083 and 08th MS Team gets picked apart under any sort of real writing analysis, and don't get me started on how the current UC sidestories is the worst offender where it pushes mechanical design over story or even obeying to the technological timeline in the UC universe.

Turn-A marked the pinicale of Tomino work which raised above all his previous work which were already greater than most other Gundam work, I wouldn't call it an exception.

Sweeped

10-23-2006, 11:12 PM

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Yep!

No one can tell a disjointed, badly written story quite like Tomino!

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For real! The best Gundams are the ones he didn't write.

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The power of Turn A disagrees with you.

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The series structure for Turn A was also developped with Ichiro Ookouchi, much like King Gainer.

I think it certainly is somewhat of an exception as it certainly didn't feature any of the horribly embarassing character writing from previous works like Zeta Gundam, ZZ or even CCA for example. Zeta is still a good show but it certainly has it's fair share of brain dead character development.

As for a new gundam series, I remember a rumour a while back (key word Rumour) that a new Series was in the works for fall 07 with Seiji Mizushima at the helm, though there hasn't been anything else said about that since then, so take it with a grain of salt.

kaiyouske

10-23-2006, 11:17 PM

Dammit...and I was hoping for some F91 TV series or Crossbone Gundam TV series.....ah well. /images/graemlins/relief.gif

J-Syxx

10-23-2006, 11:43 PM

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Fencedude said:
Turn-A, is the exception, not the rule.

(and it contains most of the elements that screw up the rest of his Gundam series, but for some reason they work in Turn-A)

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Exception? MSG and Zeta are both extra-ordinary works which influenced many anime work which followed it. And Victory is a gem that didn't get appreciated until very recently. These Tomino works all have infinitely more depth and forsight than any of the UC side stories and can withstand the test of time, where as works such as 0083 and 08th MS Team gets picked apart under any sort of real writing analysis, and don't get me started on how the current UC sidestories is the worst offender where it pushes mechanical design over story or even obeying to the technological timeline in the UC universe.

Turn-A marked the pinicale of Tomino work which raised above all his previous work which were already greater than most other Gundam work, I wouldn't call it an exception.

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Yeah, but it's cool to be anti-Tomino apprarently even if there's really nothing to compare him to period. I like his non-linear story telling anyways. Good change of pace from the usual, predictable bullshit.

Fencedude

10-24-2006, 12:01 AM

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Yeah, but it's cool to be anti-Tomino apprarently even if there's really nothing to compare him to period. I like his non-linear story telling anyways. Good change of pace from the usual, predictable bullshit.

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I'm not Anti-Tomino, and I quite enjoy almost all of UC Gundam (CCA is just pure bullshit, but highly entertaining for all the wrong reasons), but dammit, Tomino's early works half the time make no fricking sense.

He kinda reminds me of George Lucas. Good ideas, but really needs to get someone else to execute them for him. (and don't get me started on the Zeta movies...)

J-Syxx

10-24-2006, 12:53 AM

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Dinco said:

Yeah, but it's cool to be anti-Tomino apprarently even if there's really nothing to compare him to period. I like his non-linear story telling anyways. Good change of pace from the usual, predictable bullshit.

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I'm not Anti-Tomino, and I quite enjoy almost all of UC Gundam (CCA is just pure bullshit, but highly entertaining for all the wrong reasons), but dammit, Tomino's early works half the time make no fricking sense.

He kinda reminds me of George Lucas. Good ideas, but really needs to get someone else to execute them for him. (and don't get me started on the Zeta movies...)

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I think his works do make sense. You just have to work to try to understand things from the perpspective he's trying to use. That's different than it being nonsense. Definitely not causal watching material at all, especially with his huge ass casts. But yeah over all its going to be pretty hard to describe the plot of something like Zeta in a sentence or two. But I think that abstract quality to it is much of the appeal.

I've only watched CCA once, but I didn't come off as pure bullshit to me. I just think Char was becoming mentally unstable with his logic, and in an "I don't give a fuck anymore" frame of mind. I think this tapped into what was going on Zeta, about Char never wanting to be a leader. Certain people pushed into a world leader position do incredibly stupid things, I don't have to give any recent examples.

houkoholic

10-24-2006, 01:14 AM

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I've only watched CCA once, but I didn't come off as pure bullshit to me. I just think Char was becoming mentally unstable with his logic, and in an "I don't give a fuck anymore" frame of mind. I think this tapped into what was going on Zeta, about Char never wanting to be a leader. Certain people pusshed into a world leader position do incredibly stupid things, I don't have to give any recent examples.

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Exactly. Char himself said he doesn't believe himself to be a leader or a revolutionists during MSG, which was further emphasised in Zeta. He was a person put into spotlight due to his birth but he had no intention nor ambition of doing so. His agenda in CCA makes sense for his character - all of the revolutions and punishment towards Earthnoids *were* bullshit, and he even half-acknowledge that in the show and even others such as Layla can *see* the absurdity in his plans. Because obviously he doesn't care about all those political ideals, that was not his goal at the beginning (MSG, which his motives were purely for revenge) and that was not his goal at CCA. He dressed it up with all these as a means to take his views against that of Amuro, and he acknowledge that. Char is more "human" and more depth than any antagonist others tried to come up with in any other Gundam show.

Tomino show requires a lot of thinking and re-thinking, but that's what makes it able to withstand the test of time.

Pepperidge

10-24-2006, 02:55 AM

Guys, you seriously think that UC hasn't been milked to death already? How many self-referential wars can one timeline plausably produce and then create endless side-stories of?

What difference does it make which letters come after the year the story is set in? I really hope that the next series continues the CE timeline, but with a different director, different cast, and different direction entirely. Just because Destiny was completely screwed up by certain individuals doesn't mean that CE lacks potential. On the contrary, it has far more potential than UC could ever dream of having at this point.

Fort Max

10-24-2006, 03:21 AM

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Dang, oh well, thanks for the info.

I also have to disaggree with you on CCA, I watched it just a couple of days ago and I think it has a good plot.
The combined stress of being made a leader and still not being able to achieve his *simple* goal makes Char a little loopy and unrational.

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What difference does it make which letters come after the year the story is set in? I really hope that the next series continues the CE timeline, but with a different director, different cast, and different direction entirely. Just because Destiny was completely screwed up by certain individuals doesn't mean that CE lacks potential. On the contrary, it has far more potential than UC could ever dream of having at this point.

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I'd have been just as interested in a new Seed show, I greatly enjoyed Seed and I'm aware that Destiny was a failure not because of the setting but the problems stated by Bandai (which I have forgotten).

Mazinkaizer

10-24-2006, 11:53 AM

For me i liked all the Gundam shows with various degrees, although i have to say that i prefer the UC ones especially: 0079, Zeta, and Victory. for CCA it was ok but but not at the same level of the originals or Zeta IMO.

I enjoyed Seed very much and it would come next after the above 3 since it reminded me a lot of the originals but with a different style. I am still watching Destiny so i can't make a comment on it yet but IMO it didn't have the same strong start that Seed had. Well surly having Shuchi Ikeda and Mami Koyama in the show is a major plus for me /images/graemlins/wink.gif (Bringing back older Gundam seiyuu into Seed was an excellent idea too).

I wouldn't mind another C.E series but i would also die for a Cross Bone Gundam one /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

NeoEra

10-24-2006, 03:47 PM

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Guys, you seriously think that UC hasn't been milked to death already? How many self-referential wars can one timeline plausably produce and then create endless side-stories of?

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Quick, someone count up the number of wars we've had since the beginning of human history...

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What difference does it make which letters come after the year the story is set in? I really hope that the next series continues the CE timeline, but with a different director, different cast, and different direction entirely. Just because Destiny was completely screwed up by certain individuals doesn't mean that CE lacks potential. On the contrary, it has far more potential than UC could ever dream of having at this point.

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The older fans haven't picked up on the Cosmic Era in a big way though. They want the never-ending UC model kits & video games. The Zeta movies were probably an even bigger hit on DVD than in the theater. There's still cash to be made from the segment of fandom who couldn't care less about SEED. They won't get rid of the UC for the sake of CE any more than they'll get rid of CE for the sake of the longtime fans who hate it. Might as well ask Bandai to throw away money either way.

J-Syxx

10-24-2006, 03:58 PM

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The older fans haven't picked up on the Cosmic Era in a big way though. They want the never-ending UC model kits & video games. The Zeta movies were probably an even bigger hit on DVD than in the theater. There's still cash to be made from the segment of fandom who couldn't care less about SEED. They won't get rid of the UC for the sake of CE any more than they'll get rid of CE for the sake of the longtime fans who hate it. Might as well ask Bandai to throw away money.

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I think part of the problem is a lot of people see CE as a rehash. If you're going to start a new timeline, just make it compeltely original instead of going back yet again to borrow the same story elements. Its simular to why I don't give a crap about the Dawn of the Dead remake. That doesn't mean I'm closed minded to watching any zombie movie other than Romero's Dawn of the Dead. I don't really understand why the Japanese fans act the way they do and make tv-series condensed movies into blockbusters, but I think this is a big factor in the US fans' apathy twards Gundam Seed.

Fort Max

10-24-2006, 04:16 PM

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Mostly because it's true, at least it is if you only watch the first 10 or so episodes and then give up.

Unfortunately that is all it takes to bore some people/fail to convince them that it is worth sticking with.

Thanatos

10-24-2006, 09:46 PM

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(and it contains most of the elements that screw up the rest of his Gundam series, but for some reason they work in Turn-A)

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Exception? MSG and Zeta are both extra-ordinary works which influenced many anime work which followed it. And Victory is a gem that didn't get appreciated until very recently. These Tomino works all have infinitely more depth and forsight than any of the UC side stories and can withstand the test of time, where as works such as 0083 and 08th MS Team gets picked apart under any sort of real writing analysis, and don't get me started on how the current UC sidestories is the worst offender where it pushes mechanical design over story or even obeying to the technological timeline in the UC universe.

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I laugh at the implication that Gundam ZZ had superior writing to 0080. Zeta's problem is the character is full of whiny bitches who constantly disobey orders and never receive punishment for them. And at the end Newtypes suddenly be able to execute Dragon-esque psychic power blasts.

Char's Counterattack has one of the worst deus ex machina endings ever. It's like Tomino couldn't figure out who should win and just decided to come up with some bullshit about human passion (whilst Char was bitching at Amuro for killing Lala) reacting with the psycom to mystically repel a fucking ASTERIOD about to hit the earth. Technology is Tomino's UC is ignored whenever something cool and magical needs to happen.

Victory? It's OK, but even Tomino himself wrote in the DVD booklet that the series is crap and a waste of money. Katrina suddenly changes from spy to crazied homocidical uberbitch for Chronicle. The final episodes are so disjointed chracter deaths and battle outcomes aren't even shown on screen.

houkoholic

10-24-2006, 10:38 PM

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I laugh at the implication that Gundam ZZ had superior writing to 0080.

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Please show me where I even said anything like that.
And FYI, I believe 0080 to be one of the best Gundams.

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Zeta's problem is the character is full of whiny bitches who constantly disobey orders and never receive punishment for them. And at the end Newtypes suddenly be able to execute Dragon-esque psychic power blasts.

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Your point being?
Tomino never claimed to be aiming for portraying ultra-realistic military warfare in his works. You sound like those militaristic UC fans trying to dictate what Tomino should write in a franchise which *he* created.

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Char's Counterattack has one of the worst deus ex machina endings ever. It's like Tomino couldn't figure out who should win and just decided to come up with some bullshit about human passion (whilst Char was bitching at Amuro for killing Lala) reacting with the psycom to mystically repel a fucking ASTERIOD about to hit the earth. Technology is Tomino's UC is ignored whenever something cool and magical needs to happen.

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Again, read above. Tomino never claims to be technologically accurate in his works and never aimed it to be. Gundam began as *human drama* as that was what Tomino wanted it to be (which is also what made 0080 great, if I may add). All the UC side stories aiming for "military realism" (and even that's arguable) is created by others catering to a different fanbase. If you fail to grasp that concept, it's your problem, not Tomino's.

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Victory? It's OK, but even Tomino himself wrote in the DVD booklet that the series is crap and a waste of money. Katrina suddenly changes from spy to crazied homocidical uberbitch for Chronicle. The final episodes are so disjointed chracter deaths and battle outcomes aren't even shown on screen.

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LOL, shows how much you even know about Tomino. He critizes *all* his works and label them as crap, he is highly critical of his own works and there was not a single show which he created which he did not tear it down to shreds. The only sole exception was Turn-A, which he was actually satisfied with, but still picked apart.

Thanatos

10-25-2006, 07:07 AM

Zeta volume 13 DVD had a note from him saying that he didn't do the last episodes as well as he wanted, but I'm aware of no other release like V where he literally tells the customer the series is a POS and he's wasted his money on it.

The point of deus ex machina final of CCA, Katrina's sudden polar shift in characterization in V, and psychic blasts in Zeta was to cite examples of bad storytelling. You can't use the gun in Act 3 if nobody had it in Act 2. Moreover, they're just not at all believable. Killing people with ki blasts in Gundam makes as much sense as they would in Votoms.

houkoholic

10-25-2006, 08:38 AM

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Zeta volume 13 DVD had a note from him saying that he didn't do the last episodes as well as he wanted, but I'm aware of no other release like V where he literally tells the customer the series is a POS and he's wasted his money on it.

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He said many things in different interviews and books. He's the type of person who goes on to Gundam events and then telling the audiences not to watch Gundams. Heck he even tells people don't watch anime because it rots your brains. When he says it's a POS, it just means that he's not happy with it because it doesn't meet his expectation as a creator and artist, and he says that to a lot of stuff out there, in fact you'll be hard press to find anything which he actually acknowledges to be good. Tomino is a strange man and very cynical when it comes to anime, don't take his comments too seriously.

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The point of deus ex machina final of CCA

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How? It's been established in Zeta and ZZ that any machines which taps into Newtype powers are capable of mysterious effects.

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Katrina's sudden polar shift in characterization in V

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Because she was a psychotic bitch with bi-polar personality? It was pretty obvious to me that Katrina's goody goody personality was fake from the beginning anyway because she was brought up that way. She had to "act" like a lady otherwise she's not going to be accepted in her high class society, but once she had an outlet she snapped. It was pretty easy to understand.

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and psychic blasts in Zeta was to cite examples of bad storytelling.

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It's only bad storytelling if you keep looking at Tomino Gundam expecting it to be realistic in the scientific/military sense, which I have already stress is *not*, and never was, what Tomino was going for in Gundam. Even since MSG Newtype powers is just Tomino's way of saying the infinite possibility of the human mind and spirit, it's no more unbelievable than Amuro being able to read everyone's mind ini the battle field during the last scene in MSG, Tomino merely expanded on it.

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You can't use the gun in Act 3 if nobody had it in Act 2.

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Why is it necessary to detail the person thinking he should get a gun, go buy said gun, putting it in his pocket, draw it out then shoot? There is no good reason why details like these had to be written.

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Moreover, they're just not at all believable. Killing people with ki blasts in Gundam makes as much sense as they would in Votoms.

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Yeah and Tomino never denied that he wasn't making Super Robots shows either, so why not?

Stop using the militaristic UC measure stick with Tomino Gundam. It'll do you a lot of good.

big e

10-26-2006, 07:12 PM

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Dinco said:I think part of the problem is a lot of people see CE as a rehash. If you're going to start a new timeline, just make it compeltely original instead of going back yet again to borrow the same story elements. Its simular to why I don't give a crap about the Dawn of the Dead remake. That doesn't mean I'm closed minded to watching any zombie movie other than Romero's Dawn of the Dead. I don't really understand why the Japanese fans act the way they do and make tv-series condensed movies into blockbusters, but I think this is a big factor in the US fans' apathy twards Gundam Seed.

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Not to get off topic, but regarding the comment about the Dawn of the Dead remake, other than it taking place in a mall, it's a completely different movie than Romero's version.

10-27-2006, 04:50 AM

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The point of deus ex machina final of CCA, Katrina's sudden polar shift in characterization in V, and psychic blasts in Zeta was to cite examples of bad storytelling. You can't use the gun in Act 3 if nobody had it in Act 2. Moreover, they're just not at all believable. Killing people with ki blasts in Gundam makes as much sense as they would in Votoms.

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I thought it fitting for the saga to conclude with such an improbable event. Real-world physics prevailed every time for three television series. An explosion of pent-up newtype phenomena was long overdue. Gundam has always been a spiritual show. What was guaranteed to be a depressing ending no matter what, at least left us with a positive image and message.

Sweeped

10-27-2006, 05:23 AM

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I thought it fitting for the saga to conclude with such an improbable event. Real-world physics prevailed every time for three television series. An explosion of pent-up newtype phenomena was long overdue. Gundam has always been a spiritual show. What was guaranteed to be a depressing ending no matter what, at least left us with a positive image and message.

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If you count things like the Bio Sensor as real world physics, sure.

Njr Scrawl

10-27-2006, 08:25 AM

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Fencedude said:
Yep!

No one can tell a disjointed, badly written story quite like Tomino!

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For real! The best Gundams are the ones he didn't write.

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A week ago I rewatched CCA with some friends, one of whom had never seen it.

I'd totally forgotten how horrible the plot of that movie really was. We were all laughing our asses off at Char's bullshit.

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I agree. Char was a great character in Zeta Gundam. He had nobility & dignity. Not the demented loony he was made in in CCA (Quess is the worst UC female as well, Hathaway slightly less annoying than Katz was).

I'd rather believe that Char remained somewhere undetected after ZG, as Layla explained his absence in ZZ.

ZZ's ending is a good enough ending to the UC OYW era IMO.

AFA Bandai & Tomino, maybe Ideon will be released by Honneamise one day.