Koi Kaze...wow [Archive]

mk2000

11-11-2006, 09:19 PM

I feel like I just went 13 rounds with a heavy weight.
Talk about an emotional knockout. I'm exhausted! /images/graemlins/relief.gif

Anyhow, I know it's probably been talked to death before but I must have been living under a rock during those forum discussions.

Netflix'ed it but going straight to DDD to buy it!

Anybody else think this was a good series?

Mainly I just felt bad for the characters...every option available seemed to be a bad one. Star-crossed relationship I guess.

In any case, I didn't think they made anime like this anymore. /images/graemlins/knowital.gif

golthin

11-11-2006, 09:36 PM

[ QUOTE ]
mk2000 said:
I feel like I just went 13 rounds with a heavy weight.
Talk about an emotional knockout. I'm exhausted! /images/graemlins/relief.gif

Anyhow, I know it's probably been talked to death before but I must have been living under a rock during those forum discussions.

Netflix'ed it but going straight to DDD to buy it!

Anybody else think this was a good series?

Mainly I just felt bad for the characters...every option available seemed to be a bad one. Star-crossed relationship I guess.

In any case, I didn't think they made anime like this anymore. /images/graemlins/knowital.gif

[/ QUOTE ]
It is one of my favorite shows. They do make anime like this, but very few companies have the "cojones" to license and sell them.

mk2000

11-11-2006, 10:01 PM

[ QUOTE ]
golthin said:
It is one of my favorite shows. They do make anime like this, but very few companies have the "cojones" to license and sell them.

[/ QUOTE ]

That's funny. I was just commenting to my wife how Geneon seems to be pretty ballsy lately with some of their releases. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif
( and more importantly the "extras" that come with them /images/graemlins/noseblee.gif )

In any case, I'm just really impressed with this release and for Geneon giving English speaking audiences a chance with this kind of material.

Otakufan

11-11-2006, 10:21 PM

Picked this up during the Right Stuff Geneon sale.

Like Ikki-Tousen, Haibane-Renmei and Popotan, this looked like a very interesting series at a too-good to be ignored price.

So far, all I've managed to check out is Ikki-Tousen which was a very wonderful suprise. Can't wait to see if this one also falls into that category.

J.A.

bci110

11-11-2006, 10:27 PM

To me, Koi Kaze ranks right up there with SaiKano as one of the best romance stories in the anime market. However, I felt that this title got overlooked in the market because a lot of people probably were turned off by the subject matter. I've been telling people who are interested in watching this series that if you're too sensitive about incest, then I wouldn't recommend this series because it deals heavily with the controversial subject. But if you believe that you can handle the topic, then you're in for a treat because the series is so well-written. Because of that, the topic never really bothered me because I was so entralled by the strength and compassion the characters displayed thoroughout the course of the series. The main thing I didn't like about Koi Kaze though was the poor quality of the animation, but the strong story and the even stronger characters more than make up for the animation. Definitely qualifies as a hidden gem in the anime market. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

11-12-2006, 12:06 AM

I had the pleasure of watching this recently too and it far exceeded my expectations. It's a shame the production budget was so low, but that didn't take anything away from the excellent writing and acting. I think the subject matter is a very big thing in Japan, perhaps moreso than in other places. It's the tasteful and very real (emotion-wise) way in which they present it that gives the show such impact. This was another show I had been putting off because I didn't expect to like it much, but once I started I marathoned the whole thing in a single night.

Kudos to Geneon for having the balls to actually release it too. They must've known it wasn't going to find much of an audience outside of the fans who already knew it existed but they did it anyway.

Gemini

11-12-2006, 12:34 AM

I bought the dvds as it came out and thought the story handled the subject matter in the best of ways. It was emotional and had it's funny moments. I liked it so much I marathoned the whole thing a couple of months after I got vol.3. Then I read the manga and listened to the soundtrack.

The Pirate Queen

11-14-2006, 09:04 AM

Koi Kaze is an incredible show - despite the subject matter, or maybe because of it. The writing is incredible, the pacing is exact and deliberate, and the characterization is superb. Too many people skipped out on this show because of the incest, I think. At least, that's the impression I got from the initial license announcement thread, the solicitation threads, the review threads...

This is one of those shows that really deserves a listen in both languages - check out the English version for one of the finest dub performances you'll ever hear. Patrick Seitz was unbelievable.

The Great Bear

11-14-2006, 07:56 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Dani said:
... check out the English version for one of the finest dub performances you'll ever hear. Patrick Seitz was unbelievable.

[/ QUOTE ]

I only picked up this show since people at ET were constantly saying how good it was. I have not yet watched it (I have a bad backlog at the moment, and work is starting to impact on my free time), but I guess I really should find the time to work it in.

I'm pretty hard to shock, so the "subject matter" is not really an issue.

plaidwolf

11-23-2006, 09:16 AM

Chiming in a bit late, but i finished watching this show at 2AM this morning...

Picked up all three volumes plus the box while the Media Play chain was going belly-up last winter, but hadnt had a chance to sit and watch until this week...

I have to agree...this series is emotionally demanding upon the viewer with the twists and turns taken thru its short run. And both main characters KNEW what they were about to do was wrong, but in the end they couldnt stop themselves from acting on their impulses.

As a review i read elsewhere states this is NOT a series to watch with your wife/gf/SO/sister.....especially the sister!

Pfil

11-23-2006, 01:01 PM

Glad to see that others recognize how good this show is.

The writing, directing and acting is extremely realistic (apart for some of the side characters whom I thought were a bit too cartoony for this particular show). I felt sick to the stomach watching it, not so much because of the subject matter, but because the main characters, both of whom I could greatly sympathize with (not that I've been in the same situation, but their feelings of despair were rather recognizable), were clearly destined for disaster from the start. And the ending they chose for the show was the one way I didn't think they would go. I sort of felt happy for the two, but at the same time you know it's not going to end well... in other words they picked the perfect point to end the story.

As for bad animation and low budget - what? Unless my memory is completely shot, the animation quality is way above average for a TV series. It's also the closest I've seen a digital show look to cel animation. I wish all digital shows looked like that. I can see people getting turned off by the relatively simplistic character designs though, but after I got used to them I thought they were absolutely beautiful. (Again, except for some of the side characters.)

Njr Scrawl

11-23-2006, 01:49 PM

Funny how the 3 most emotionally gut-wrenching licensed series start with "K"

Koi Kaze
Kima ga Nozomu Eien
Kimagure Orange Road movie 1.

Chloe

11-23-2006, 09:18 PM

I finished it this past weekend(Got it during the Geneon sale), it was very tense. I would have to say it was pretty true to life, a lot like how Master Keaton was done. I thought Koshiro's side of it was explained more thoroughly(I wasn't really as certain as to why Nanoka seemed to suddenly fall for him),but they did quite a good job on the story. I especially liked the female coworker, who's role was nicely complex.

I am a bit confused as to the ending, will some of you share your interpretations? It seemed to me that They decided to live together despite the obstacles ...or maybe not? There was a scene in the final episode I think, where Koshiro is standing outside his father's house and the subtitles have the three names of Koshiro, Nanoka, and his father on it, but in the picture something is erased. I know I'm missing something there, that visual does not match the subtitle, could someone explain?

A very good show, but not,perhaps, an EXCITING show, so it won't get large acclaim. Maybe the best writing I've seen all year.

Otakufan: If you haven't seen Haibane yet, consider it soonest. Koi Kaze was very good; Haibane was just incredible. Best of Abe's work by far.

XenoSaber

11-23-2006, 09:27 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Kingmole said:
I finished it this past weekend(Got it during the Geneon sale), it was very tense. I would have to say it was pretty true to life, a lot like how Master Keaton was done. I thought Koshiro's side of it was explained more thoroughly(I wasn't really as certain as to why Nanoka seemed to suddenly fall for him),but they did quite a good job on the story. I especially liked the female coworker, who's role was nicely complex.

I am a bit confused as to the ending, will some of you share your interpretations? It seemed to me that They decided to live together despite the obstacles ...or maybe not? There was a scene in the final episode I think, where Koshiro is standing outside his father's house and the subtitles have the three names of Koshiro, Nanoka, and his father on it, but in the picture something is erased. I know I'm missing something there, that visual does not match the subtitle, could someone explain?

A very good show, but not,perhaps, an EXCITING show, so it won't get large acclaim. Maybe the best writing I've seen all year.

Otakufan: If you haven't seen Haibane yet, consider it soonest. Koi Kaze was very good; Haibane was just incredible. Best of Abe's work by far.

[/ QUOTE ]

Good question about the names, I'd like to know myself. But, I was under the impression that they finally did cut it off? So I guess there is a little contention there.

Chloe

11-23-2006, 09:30 PM

golthin

11-24-2006, 02:37 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Kingmole said:
I finished it this past weekend(Got it during the Geneon sale), it was very tense. I would have to say it was pretty true to life, a lot like how Master Keaton was done. I thought Koshiro's side of it was explained more thoroughly(I wasn't really as certain as to why Nanoka seemed to suddenly fall for him),but they did quite a good job on the story. I especially liked the female coworker, who's role was nicely complex.

I am a bit confused as to the ending, will some of you share your interpretations? It seemed to me that They decided to live together despite the obstacles ...or maybe not? There was a scene in the final episode I think, where Koshiro is standing outside his father's house and the subtitles have the three names of Koshiro, Nanoka, and his father on it, but in the picture something is erased. I know I'm missing something there, that visual does not match the subtitle, could someone explain?

A very good show, but not,perhaps, an EXCITING show, so it won't get large acclaim. Maybe the best writing I've seen all year.

Otakufan: If you haven't seen Haibane yet, consider it soonest. Koi Kaze was very good; Haibane was just incredible. Best of Abe's work by far.

[/ QUOTE ]
They decided to stay together, the anime is subtle about it. the way that they both accepted their feelings was better explained in the manga than in the anime.

golthin

11-24-2006, 02:39 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Kingmole said:
Ha! maybe we need a poll. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif Anyway, with all the crapola people gave them, and the hand wringing they went through in the last few eps. especially, I just don't see that. Also, it seemed they were living together at the end. Completely subjective I know, and it is in no way clear in my head, which is why I want to hear what other's think.

[/ QUOTE ]
 they weren't living together, she was still living with her dad, that is why she went on her own after they spent the night in the amusement park

Isuzu Inugami

11-24-2006, 04:53 PM

[ QUOTE ]
otakufan said:
Picked this up during the Right Stuff Geneon sale.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah! Me too. Of course, I picked up so much I don't know when I'll get to this... maybe sooner than later eh? Vols. 2 and 3 had hilarious postcard extras of sister's advice to brother: "Don't look at other girls!" and "Wear your coat so you don't catch cold!" Anyone get one for vol. 1?

[ QUOTE ]

So far, all I've managed to check out is Ikki-Tousen which was a very wonderful suprise.

[/ QUOTE ]

Come to think of it, the main guy in that has the hots for his cousin. Is Geneon staking out this corner of the market? "When you think incest, think Geneon! /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

christianlf

11-24-2006, 04:59 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Shimauma said:
[ QUOTE ]
otakufan said:
Picked this up during the Right Stuff Geneon sale.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah! Me too. Of course, I picked up so much I don't know when I'll get to this... maybe sooner than later eh? Vols. 2 and 3 had hilarious postcard extras of sister's advice to brother: "Don't look at other girls!" and "Wear your coat so you don't catch cold!" Anyone get one for vol. 1?

[/ QUOTE ]

In the boxset I got, volume one came with three "No-No Big Brother!" stickers.

golthin

11-24-2006, 05:20 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Shimauma said:
[ QUOTE ]

So far, all I've managed to check out is Ikki-Tousen which was a very wonderful suprise.

[/ QUOTE ]

Come to think of it, the main guy in that has the hots for his cousin. Is Geneon staking out this corner of the market? "When you think incest, think Geneon! /images/graemlins/catgirl0.gif

[/ QUOTE ]
I wouldn't call cousin's relationships incest. I think the majority of the USA allows cousins to marry, it is also allowed in Japan. I guess some people might consider it incest. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif

Isuzu Inugami

11-24-2006, 05:23 PM

[ QUOTE ]
golthin said:

I wouldn't call cousin's relationships incest. I think the majority of the USA allows cousins to marry, it is also allowed in Japan.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'll have to explain that to my cousin.... /images/graemlins/devil.gif /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

golthin

11-24-2006, 08:56 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Shimauma said:
[ QUOTE ]
golthin said:

I wouldn't call cousin's relationships incest. I think the majority of the USA allows cousins to marry, it is also allowed in Japan.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'll have to explain that to my cousin.... /images/graemlins/devil.gif /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Well, it is allowed! It could be the same thing with Step siblings, just because it is allowed doesn't mean that something might happen. /images/graemlins/devil.gif

XenoSaber

11-25-2006, 09:32 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Shimauma said:
[ QUOTE ]
golthin said:

I wouldn't call cousin's relationships incest. I think the majority of the USA allows cousins to marry, it is also allowed in Japan.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'll have to explain that to my cousin.... /images/graemlins/devil.gif /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

I thought it was second cousins in the US and not first cousins. However just because someone says they are cousins it doesn't always mean there is a blood relation. I find this to be the case more and more in anime.

Tomcat

11-28-2006, 01:40 AM

I thought it was second cousins in the US and not first cousins. However just because someone says they are cousins it doesn't always mean there is a blood relation. I find this to be the case more and more in anime.
I find that it is also likely to be brother and sister in manga/anime, but only related by marrage, and not blood. Often times their parents marry when they (the kids) are older, so don't really get to know each other as siblings. Sort of like Tsubasa and her "younger" brother in Kare Kano.

It's also common for a younger sister to have designs on her older brother, like in Koi Kaze, or even Love Hina (moreso in the manga), but rare for that to actually manifest itself into an actual two-way romantic relationship.

As far as topic goes... While I don't think it's the best thing for the gene pool, and certainly not good for the rest of the family, I think that it is foolish for people to rule out sources of love because it may be outside of the current social norms. Marriage between blood siblings is a historical fact, and mostly without issues. Marriage at a younger age is a historical fact. I think we need to get over ourselves, as a society, and stop being a bunch of prudes.

And, while I can't say that I didn't feel a little uncomfortable with the topic of the story, it had less to do with the actually relationship between these two strangers that happened to be siblings, and more about the effect it would have on the people around them, including both family and friends. Not to mention the amount of anguish that the main characters had to go through to come to terms with their feelings.

-TC

The Pirate Queen

11-29-2006, 05:38 AM

Ha! maybe we need a poll. /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif Anyway, with all the crapola people gave them, and the hand wringing they went through in the last few eps. especially, I just don't see that. Also, it seemed they were living together at the end. Completely subjective I know, and it is in no way clear in my head, which is why I want to hear what other's think.

My take on it was that Spoiler:
they had decided to make a go of the relationship, but that it was ultimately doomed - hence the destruction of the amusement park. With all the societal pressures they were up against, even discounting their parents, I don't think there's any way that they could have made the relationship work for long.

golthin

11-29-2006, 07:28 AM

The Pirate Queen

11-30-2006, 10:11 AM

Well, the anime leaves it more open ended that the manga. You observations apply to it, it could go either way and I think the anime did it on purpose to put some people mind at ease.
I can't give examples because I can't get the spoilers tags to work in this forum yet.

My comments were entirely anime-only - since the manga isn't out in English yet, I haven't had a chance to read it.

As for spoiler tags - try using hide - Like thus. Just like the old spoiler tags. ^_^