PS3 Disassembled...

[elmer92413]

Behold the innards of the PS3...!!! (http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/12/ps3-disassembled-on-video/)
Regardless of whatever you feel about Sony...
You've got to admit they put together a fine machine...
Especially that heatsink...!!!
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[Soulblazer]

I hope they tested whether the processors are getting enough cooling. It would suck if a bunch of PS3's starting catching on fire /images/graemlins/happy.gif.

[Elendil]

I hope they were able to put it all back together again... /images/graemlins/knowital.gif

[Skywise]

Mmm.. porn...

[AbeChinchilla]

That video nearly put me to sleep.

[lostnomad84]

That is one gigantic fan and the water-cooling system and with built in as well makes the system very efficient for cooling and silent.

[Suwako Moriya]

If I understood what they were saying and I knew what half that stuff was I'd be more interested. Because after awhile it gets kind of boring. I think in this case "images" may have worked better for me than videos.

[frijoles]

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lostnomad84 said:
That is one gigantic fan and the water-cooling system and with built in as well makes the system very efficient for cooling and silent.

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That's not water cooling, it's using heat pipes. (http://digitalbattle.com/2006/06/16/playstation-3-uses-heat-pipe-cooling) Also, it looks like the panels that cover the main board are designed to dissipate heat as well. Man, I wish I could get one.

[lostnomad84]

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Frijoles said:
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lostnomad84 said:
That is one gigantic fan and the water-cooling system and with built in as well makes the system very efficient for cooling and silent.

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That's not water cooling, it's using heat pipes. (http://digitalbattle.com/2006/06/16/playstation-3-uses-heat-pipe-cooling) Also, it looks like the panels that cover the main board are designed to dissipate heat as well. Man, I wish I could get one.

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I read somewhere that the PS3 would also have a minor form of water cooling along with the fan (which is what led me to the conclusion with the pipes).

[treatment]

http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp.nyud.net:8080/docs/2006/1111/ps3.htm

damn. only a 5400rpm hd? sony's being cheap. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[josephowens]

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treatment said:
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp.nyud.net:8080/docs/2006/1111/ps3.htm

damn. only a 5400rpm hd? sony's being cheap. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Most laptop hard drives on the market right now are 5400rpm drives, so it's no surprise at 500 & 600 dollars that they didn't go with the higher priced 7200rpm drives.

Edit... Well as I look closer at the drive, it looks like a laptop drive, but I'm not sure. If it is a standard drive, then yeah Sony is being cheap.

[stfram]

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The Gundam Owens said:
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treatment said:
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp.nyud.net:8080/docs/2006/1111/ps3.htm

damn. only a 5400rpm hd? sony's being cheap. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Most laptop hard drives on the market right now are 5400rpm drives, so it's no surprise at 500 & 600 dollars that they didn't go with the higher priced 7200rpm drives.

Edit... Well as I look closer at the drive, it looks like a laptop drive, but I'm not sure. If it is a standard drive, then yeah Sony is being cheap.


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It's a Seagate Momentus 60gb laptop HDD. You can barely make that out in the picture...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148088

[Ty]

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treatment said:
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp.nyud.net:8080/docs/2006/1111/ps3.htm

damn. only a 5400rpm hd? sony's being cheap. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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It's a laptop drive, be grateful they didn't go with a 4200 RPM drive actually.

I found the most interesting thing so far in these disassembly photos and videos is the integrated EmotionEngine/GraphicSynthesizer processor on the board. Sony couldn't figure out any better way to achieve backward compatibility than to do the same thing they did with the PS2: put the previous console right on the board.

[Skywise]

Actually they said that the reason they're putting the PS2 chip in there is because they couldn't get a stable/working software emulator ready in time for launch. They've stated that once they're happy with software emulation quality they'll ditch the chip and go for a cheaper design. Personally I think it's a good idea - just look at the xbox360 and how really bad the so-called backwards compatibility is there.

[Ty]

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Skywise said:
Actually they said that the reason they're putting the PS2 chip in there is because they couldn't get a stable/working software emulator ready in time for launch. They've stated that once they're happy with software emulation quality they'll ditch the chip and go for a cheaper design. Personally I think it's a good idea - just look at the xbox360 and how really bad the so-called backwards compatibility is there.

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News is floating around now that more than 200 PS1 and PS2 games are not playing correctly on the PS3. Including some big titles like FFXI. Looks like the whole backwards compatibility thing isn't going to be easy in the future.

[Zanza Hiro]

Tekken 5, Onimusha and Devil May Cry among hundreds of others. /images/graemlins/cry00000.gif

[Skywise]

Just imagine what it would have been like if they'd gone the Microsoft route where you need a patch for every game. The PS2 was never perfect for playing PS1 games either, and to be fair to Sony some of the compatibility issues are more glitches than downright unplayability. The majority of the software library for it still works thankfully.

[Ty]

Nice thing about the harddrive is that they can probably release compatibility patches for the more popular titles. For the record I never encountered a PS1 game that wouldn't play on my PS2, something I always respected Sony for. In fact many of them played better..... I had lots of memory card crash problems and disc read lockups on my POS PS1.

[Puppet Master]

Much like Xcalibur I never had any problems playing PSOne games on my PS2.

[DiGiKerot]

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Xcalibur said:
Nice thing about the harddrive is that they can probably release compatibility patches for the more popular titles. For the record I never encountered a PS1 game that wouldn't play on my PS2, something I always respected Sony for. In fact many of them played better..... I had lots of memory card crash problems and disc read lockups on my POS PS1.

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They already have done - the 1.1 patch fixed a bunch of common problems, and I'm sure further updates will correct some of the others. It its likely that they'll never reach 100% though, given some PS2 games don't even work on all models of PS2.

[Skywise]

Grandia 1 and one of the PS1 DDR releases didn't work properly on my PS2. I'm sure there are several others as well.

[Zanza Hiro]

hey guys

hypothetical n00b question. say some dude, Banza, was gonna buy a PS3 this Friday but was concerned about the backwards comp. issues. if he bought one, how would his Launch console be fixed? like, i'm not too techy but, would Sony release like a repair that could be downloaded or, how would that work? thx

[Johnny]

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Zanza said:
hey guys

hypothetical n00b question. say some dude, Banza, was gonna buy a PS3 this Friday but was concerned about the backwards comp. issues. if he bought one, how would his Launch console be fixed? like, i'm not too techy but, would Sony release like a repair that could be downloaded or, how would that work? thx

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There will very likely be firmware updates in the future that you can download to your PS3 which will fix the compatibility issues (and anything else that needs fixing really).

If you've heard some of your favourite PS2 games won't work then fair enough but it's worth noting that this is an issue being blown way out of proportion. It's a relatively small amount of total games that are affected and like I said, you can bet there'll be a firmware upgrade to fix this.
Just keep in mind that there are a lot of peeps online who have jealousy or memory loss (360 backwards compatibility anyone?) issues and will take this story and make it out to be much, much worse than it is.
Good luck if you (or Banza /images/graemlins/wink.gif) go for one on Friday - if you do I'll be willing to bet PS3 titles will be getting most of your attention and not old PS2 games /images/graemlins/happy.gif

[DiGiKerot]

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johnny said:
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Zanza said:
hey guys

hypothetical n00b question. say some dude, Banza, was gonna buy a PS3 this Friday but was concerned about the backwards comp. issues. if he bought one, how would his Launch console be fixed? like, i'm not too techy but, would Sony release like a repair that could be downloaded or, how would that work? thx

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There will very likely be firmware updates in the future that you can download to your PS3 which will fix the compatibility issues (and anything else that needs fixing really).

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I suspect the firmware updates will be on game disks as well, in the same way that some PSP games force you to do a firmware upgrade before you can play them.

[Johnny]

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DiGiKerot said:
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johnny said:
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Zanza said:
hey guys

hypothetical n00b question. say some dude, Banza, was gonna buy a PS3 this Friday but was concerned about the backwards comp. issues. if he bought one, how would his Launch console be fixed? like, i'm not too techy but, would Sony release like a repair that could be downloaded or, how would that work? thx

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There will very likely be firmware updates in the future that you can download to your PS3 which will fix the compatibility issues (and anything else that needs fixing really).

[/ QUOTE ]

I suspect the firmware updates will be on game disks as well, in the same way that some PSP games force you to do a firmware upgrade before you can play them.

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Yeah that's true, although if it's only a b/c issue that needs fixed they may just make those available to d/l online, keeping the disk upgrades to major firmware updates.

[Zanza Hiro]

oh cool, johnny & digi, thx

i was... errr, Banza /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif was scared that if he picked up a launch console, it would be a pain in the ass to fix. for Gears of War with the 360, there was a prompt at dashboard to install some components for gameplay. it took 5 seconds and then i could play. i'm not sure if this is the same concept but it was painless

if compatibility updates and other problems are that easy to fix, that lays my fears to rest. i was scared i'd hafta send in my console to like Sony for a hardware repair/overhaul or sumthin

p.s. hehehe, i am on the futureshop site just watching the clock run down to zero hr. its addicting

http://www.futureshop.ca/marketing/ps3/01.asp

[DiGiKerot]

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johnny said:
Yeah that's true, although if it's only a b/c issue that needs fixed they may just make those available to d/l online, keeping the disk upgrades to major firmware updates.

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I don't think B/C updates are likely to be that frequent, at least at the moment, that they'd need to be released seperately of the firmware upgrades - its not like the 360 where its software emulation, since the PS3 has the guts of a PS2 in it at the moment. Its not as if there are actually that many games which don't work either.

Now, if the PS3 does ever to software emulation in the future (its rumoured, at least, and I'd love to see the option to properly output PS2 games in higher resolutions) then maybe there'll have to be more frequent updates for while at least.

[jecca-neko]

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Skywise said:
Grandia 1 and one of the PS1 DDR releases didn't work properly on my PS2. I'm sure there are several others as well.

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Which DDR game? I've got most of the PS1 Japanese DDRs and they work fine on my Japanese PS2.

The only problem I've ever had is the Final Fantasy V (that came with Final Fantasy Anthology) save point glitch. However, this may happen on PS1s too. I'm not sure. Otherwise all of my PS1 games work 100% fine.

[DiGiKerot]

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Zanza said:
i was... errr, Banza /images/graemlins/sdsmiley.gif was scared that if he picked up a launch console, it would be a pain in the ass to fix. for Gears of War with the 360, there was a prompt at dashboard to install some components for gameplay. it took 5 seconds and then i could play. i'm not sure if this is the same concept but it was painless

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It's unilke to ever get more complicated than this - I'd think you'd either get prompted to update when you insert a game (with something like a "This game requires firmware vX.XX, press X to install" message) or you'll get autoprompted about there being a new firmware when you jump onto Sonys online system.

Now, the worry is that they'll go and do an update which takes out a whole swaith of consoles accidently, like the recent 360 dashboard update (thank god it took OK to mine, given I got the console the day it was released I'd have been well p'd off if it'd died immediately).

[Ty]

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Xcalibur said:
Nice thing about the harddrive is that they can probably release compatibility patches for the more popular titles. For the record I never encountered a PS1 game that wouldn't play on my PS2, something I always respected Sony for. In fact many of them played better..... I had lots of memory card crash problems and disc read lockups on my POS PS1.

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They already have done - the 1.1 patch fixed a bunch of common problems, and I'm sure further updates will correct some of the others. It its likely that they'll never reach 100% though, given some PS2 games don't even work on all models of PS2.

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Yeah, as an owner of an original launch PS2 I know all too well. Every time I run across a dual layer DVD game I'm reminded of it.

[Ty]

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Skywise said:
Grandia 1 and one of the PS1 DDR releases didn't work properly on my PS2. I'm sure there are several others as well.

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Really? I played the original Grandia on my PS2 before I got rid of the game. Never had trouble, even with the smooth texture mapping and high speed disc read turned on. In fact Grandia is one of the games that improved the most with the smooth mapping feature.

[Skywise]

It was one of the US ones. The game works, but the video and audio drift out of synch gradually.

[Skywise]

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Xcalibur said:
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Skywise said:
Grandia 1 and one of the PS1 DDR releases didn't work properly on my PS2. I'm sure there are several others as well.

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Really? I played the original Grandia on my PS2 before I got rid of the game. Never had trouble, even with the smooth texture mapping and high speed disc read turned on. In fact Grandia is one of the games that improved the most with the smooth mapping feature.

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JP Grandia 1 works - PAL doesn't. Go figure.