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something
11-19-2006, 12:20 AM
Spoilers for everything, discussion includes ending, blah blah etc etc you know the dril.

I finished this a little while ago after a huge hiatus. Has anyone else seen it all as well? I probably should have written this right after I finished it so it would be fresher in my mind, but maybe this way I won't ramble as much if I forget stuff =P

The show was pretty much a constant up, though there were a few small downs. Sure Samatarou's family was mostly a collection of gags, but they were good gags, and didn't get stale during the short run of the show. Meme was my favorite of them of course, because smartass little girls who know far more than they should are always awesome.

Some highlights:
Great OP song and animation.
When Samatarou decides to renounce his divinity and live as a normal boy so he can woo Kumiko without divine interference, the whole episode where he meets Tenko again was great stuff. I was impressed all around at how they handled the transformation. A pity everyone but Samatarou (and god, his father) forgot everything about it afterwards. It was also a bit confusing on first watch, trying to figure out if "Onee-san" knew who Samatarou was, or if Samatarou knew who Onee-san was, or when which found out... but it all came together in the end.
Everyone in the family putting money in the talking archangel piggy bank, totally not taking notice that it flys. Tenko's reaction the whole time was priceless.
How they handled the Kumiko thing. When she was revealed to be a demon, I did have to wonder how it was going to go. I won't say that everything with the ending arc went perfectly. Fumiko the devil was a bit unnecessarily over the top, and the actual final "fight" sequence was kind of dumb. But Kumiko's own struggle was what interested me. She had more depth as a character than I expected from her.

Overall I enjoyed the ending, even if some pieces of it weren't great. It didn't bring full closure in the romantic side of things, although Tenko and Samatarou are pretty clearly in love with each other, and they both know it. However, with Kumiko living with them now, some doubt lingers. Not much though, so as far as I'm concerned, Samatarou and Tenko are a pair.

I always find the very last moments on screen of any show to be among the most important. The last 60 seconds of a show can literally make or break an ending, or at least dictate how well it sticks in my mind and how fondly I remember it. Kamisama Kazoku was doing pretty well with the house being restored, and the picture being taken. Cute stuff. But then the ED started playing. !? Why? They were doing a great job with the OP playing in the background and if the final moment had been with the closing book, I would have been left with a great feeling. Just nonchalantly tossing the same old ED (which I don't really like all that much anyway) at the end just cheapens it. I quickly stopped the episode when it started, but a little damage had been done. It doesn't make it a bad ending, but rather one that just missed its full potential.

The ideal ending is one that has my emotions in a death grip until the last second, and then it ends, the screen goes black, and I simply sit back, take a breath, close my eyes, and let darkness and silence and the atmosphere of the show surround me.

I know it seems like a petty thing, but I really do put a lot of stock in those last seconds. So much can be gained by proper use, and so much can be lost by not planning it out. Tip to studios: Never play your same old ED at the end of the last episode. Run the song if you want (if appropriate to the mood, and this was not), but incorporate the credits into the ending itself and maybe change things up, like play an acoustic version or the extended version or something. And use your final seconds wisely!

Aaaaaaanyways, I liked the show a lot. Now, you comment.

Ty
11-19-2006, 06:59 PM
I passed on this show when it aired because nothing about it caught my interest. I read a lot of polarized opinions on it at the time with people either really liking it or thinking it was terrible. Thought it may be a bit petty of me, I found the incredibly simplistic character artwork style to be a big turnoff as well.

something
11-19-2006, 07:23 PM
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Thought I may be a bit petty of me, I found the incredibly simplistic character artwork style to be a big turnoff as well.

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I came to like the art in the end. It is simple, but it's also consistent, which is more than I can say for other shows. I was torn at first about what I thougth of the color palette, but I think that worked pretty nicely as well, when all was said and done.

golthin
11-19-2006, 08:59 PM
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Xcalibur said:
I passed on this show when it aired because nothing about it caught my interest. I read a lot of polarized opinions on it at the time with people either really liking it or thinking it was terrible. Thought I may be a bit petty of me, I found the incredibly simplistic character artwork style to be a big turnoff as well.

[/ QUOTE ]I watched the show and I even forgot about it at the end. IT was filled with the Bro-con and reversed mothercon ( don't remember the term when the mother has the hots for the son). It had a pretty nice love triangle. It was midly enjoyable, but nothing I the R1 audience will miss if it never makes it over here. It might have a good chance of being licensed by ADV or MB.

something
11-19-2006, 09:02 PM
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golthin said:
IT was filled with the Bro-con and reversed mothercon ( don't remember the term when the mother has the hots for the son).

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...Filled? In what sense? That whole thing with his sister and mom was a silly running gag, but it in no way was a central plot point of the show.

golthin
11-19-2006, 09:22 PM
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disarm said:
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golthin said:
IT was filled with the Bro-con and reversed mothercon ( don't remember the term when the mother has the hots for the son).

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...Filled? In what sense? That whole thing with his sister and mom was a silly running gag, but it in no way was a central plot point of the show.

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IT might have seemed as a Gag, because of their divine status, they were allowed to get away with such inappropriate conduct. The subject of incestuous feelings is always present in Japanese anime. I have seen the subject used very rarely in American culture where the subject is more taboo.

Instead of a gag, I would call it more like fanservice for the audience that like such things. I an not putting the show down because of that, was just pointing it out.

I remember just a few TV shows and Movies were the subject was explored and like you said was used as a gag, one of them being "Friends" and the other a movie where two siblings ended making up after getting drunk to just realize in the middle of it and be disgusted. So when you see the subject in JApanese anime, it is not used as Gag, unlike in the west.

something
11-19-2006, 09:27 PM
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golthin said:
So when you see the subject in JApanese anime, it is not used as Gag, unlike in the west.

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...I still don't see why you say that. How are you defining gag? My definition of a gag is something that's meant more or less purely for comedic value, and is not to be taken seriously. I think that perfectly describes how it is used in this show. There's really nothing about cultural exploration or psychological analysis going on... it's just for laughs. "Oh haha, she's smothering her son with her boobs", and thats pretty much all there is to it.

pianocello
12-13-2006, 12:59 AM
I just finished this and I must say that this is one of the biggest surprises of the entire year. Wasn't expecting much and now it's probably going to be in my top 3 for the whole year.

Things I liked:
(1)A flying piggy bank. ;) Best character in the whole show!
(2)The plot twists in the show. The last one involving Kuniko was really good.
(3)Theme songs.
(4)L-V-E? (If you've seen the whole show, you'll know which gag I'm talking about)
(5)Ep 4 is arguably one of the best episodes of all-time in ANY anime.
(6)Kuniko's about Kuniko
redemption.

I'm surprised at how much the OP had so many hidden spoilers. It was only when I finished the show that I realized that all those images had a special meaning.
Oh...some people may find the constant incestous vibes a little disturbing (in a hilarious way). That aside, this show deserves more love. Highly recommended.