The PS3 has sold less than Sony's target?

[Sugei]

I was reading THIS (http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Extra/IsNintendosWiiAHazard.aspx?GT1=8886)
article over at MSN.com about the Nintendo Wii being a hazard due to the controller but later in the article they mention this...

Sony said today that it had sold 197,000 units since the launch date, far fewer than the company's 400,000 target.

Umm isn't this the console people have been killing each other over and is sold out everywhere except EBAY?

[Helschadenfreude]

Not really. My roommate easily got 2 ps3, well it was 20 gigs, but his dad didn't have a problem getting the 60 gig at best buy either.... He got them... 12/5? 12/4? He's actually debating whether or not to return one, as it was just the whole concept there was another ps3 sitting there when he was running an errand, and got it. He didn't want to look crazy though, so he's reselling on ebay.

Which makes me think the whole ebay thing is totally overrated. People aren't looking hard enough, and just going on ebay.

[Ty]

They only sold 197,000 because they've only SHIPPED 197,000 units to retailers to be sold. Simple as that. I don't think Sony has been given nearly enough grief for the fact that a mere 3 months ago they were boasting of a worldwide launch with several million units on hand by the end of the year. I want some of whatever they're smoking. :)

[Lego]

Hard to sell something you don't have..

[lostnomad84]

It is very mixed. On one hand, yes, Sony has shipped out that many units. However, many of my friends have told me they have seen units on shelves, which leads me to conclude there is just simply little hype around the console right now. Most of the hype that originally surrounded the console was at launch and the hype generally separated itself into two categories; Sony fanboys and those who wanted to make a profit on ebay. Well, the large profiting on ebay literally only lasted a few days and most of the Sony fanboys gone one.

Now we are left with the few Sony fanboys who failed to find one and can afford it and just the general public alone. If a person who wants a PS3 and is persistent might have a good chance in finding one. As for everyone else, the general public's hype right now is around the Wii, so the PS3 is just not getting the attention Sony needs it to get right now. It doesn't mean it is not selling, but it is not a good thing either. If Sony gets a good number of top notch games on it (the general consistence is that Resistance is basically the only must have game at the moment) within a year's time and drops the price tag, I can see the console having little problems getting sales.

[GHardin]

Makes me wonder how many of those 197,000 were put up on eBay. :nervous:

I think Sony pretty much rushed this launch. If they didn't even get 500,000 units out, why really launch it? Yeah, I know - holiday rush...but it doesn't help when 80% of the stores out there don't have 'em on the shelves! :P

[Soulblazer]

It is all about the games. There really are not that many games out for the system yet and I am not interested in any of the games that are currently out. Once they start getting more good games, you will see more people buying the system. If the X-Box 360 or Wii gets more games that I like, I just may end up getting them instead :).

[Nosredna]

Interesting. It's funny that people are seeing PS3's on the shelves, because I haven't seen any in any of the stores I've been to. I talked to a GameStop employee who told me that they got a few in and sold out in 7 minutes, so they are still selling pretty well in my area.

[Leon_Belmont]

You've also got to take into consideration that Sony's sales numbers are probably how many units they've sold to RETAILERS. And since I lived the misery to know the way corporate retailers work, that thing is no doubt sitting in the on order column of everyone's list. Highly doubt any buyer's saying to Sony their stores don't need anymore PS3s, please stop shipping us this console.

So yeah, I can pretty much guarantee that the 197,000 number is more indicative of production.

[ADC]

This year's experiment: Successful launch of ridiculously expensive hardware with lame-ass first-day game catalog Sony Playstation 3 … FAILED.

[Gatts]

Interesting. It's funny that people are seeing PS3's on the shelves, because I haven't seen any in any of the stores I've been to.

There have been two or three stores that I have been to that have had the 20GB version, but none with the 60GB version. I wasn't really interested in buying one since I just bought a new TV, but I called up a friend and staked out the store for him while he came over to get it. He was really happy that I stayed there 30 minutes to make sure it didn't sell while he wasn't there. :P

[lostnomad84]

Interesting. It's funny that people are seeing PS3's on the shelves, because I haven't seen any in any of the stores I've been to.

There have been two or three stores that I have been to that have had the 20GB version, but none with the 60GB version. I wasn't really interested in buying one since I just bought a new TV, but I called up a friend and staked out the store for him while he came over to get it. He was really happy that I stayed there 30 minutes to make sure it didn't sell while he wasn't there. :P


It is the 20 GB versions I have seen and my friends have seen as well. A few weeks ago, while I was in San Fransisco, I stopped by the Sony Metreon's Playstation store to just check to see what was in there and not only did I see PS3 sweatshirts, but a crate of about 50+ 20 GB PS3s. My friends and I were shocked to see any there at all, but all of us agree that we just don't see it worth buying right now. My friends also saw units on the shelves of Frys Electronics. So the units are out there, just it seems everyone is going after the higher end machine if they are getting a PS3 at all. I find it interesting to see how that compares to how everyone was just getting an Xbox 360, core or ultimate, last year and they didn't care what model they got as long as they got a console.

[Suwako Moriya]

There have been two or three stores that I have been to that have had the 20GB version, but none with the 60GB version.

Speaking of which awhile ago I was talking to my brothers about the whole idea of making both a 20GB and 60GB version. Our over all conclusion was the idea was completely stupid and they should have just made one version as in just the 60GB version.

Yeah the 20GB version is cheaper, but it's also crippled from what I heard. Plus anyone who can afford himself the $500 20GB version is probably better off just waiting a bit longer and going for the $600 60 GB version.

Granted I'm sure others will find a way to justify the need for two versions. Some may even decide that it would have been better if it was the only 20GB version. Maybe some will decide it should have been middle ground. All I know is this how I feel. Which probably tells you if in the far future I get a PS3, I'd go the 60GB version even if it means more of a wait.

[Chacranajxy]

I think it's pretty funny how everyone was banking on making hella cash off of this system. They forgot to consider whether or not there was really somebody who wanted to own a PS3 this year to play. I'd want a PS3 for RR7, but other than that, it'd be a fucking doorstop for the next few months.

[ADC]

Yeah the 20GB version is cheaper, but it's also crippled from what I heard. Plus anyone who can afford himself the $500 20GB version is probably better off just waiting a bit longer and going for the $600 60 GB version.
That was the plan, originally, but Sony partially backed off. They'd originally said that the $600 PS3 would have two HDMI jacks and the $500 one only one; then they said the big PS3 would have one and the little one none; and now all PS3s have one HDMI jack. You give up WiFi, 40 GB, and a chrome facing on the $500 PS3.

For me, WiFi is the deal-breaker, the reason I'll get the big PS3 when there are games I actually want. Which should be sometime in 2008. And you're right: If you can afford $500 for this hardware, you can probably afford $600 and are better served waiting for the hardware you want.

[Magic_Knight]

There have been PS3's at Best Buys around our house for awhile now. We were really hyped up about getting one at launch, but then decided it wasn't worth standing in line for days just to get one. We bought a 360 soon after launch (along with our first HDTV) during the Microcenter sale for $200 (premium version, $100 rebate, $100 off when sign up for credit card). Bought some Call of Duty 2 at Amazon for $20 new and have been playing that for awhile now. We also hit up Gamestop's Buy 2 used games get 1 free sale for some other games. I wasn't all that interested in a 360 at first, but now that we have one I am really liking it. For me, after the PS3 launch came and went, all the hype died for me. I still want one, but I can easily wait - I've got plenty to hold me over. =)

This brings back memories of the Dreamcast launch. Such a great system! :)

[Algernon]

I look at it this way - regardless of whether or not I picked up a 20GB or a 60GB, the HDD would be getting upgraded pretty quickly, at the very least to a 160GB drive. WiFi is no big deal because I've got Cat6 running everywhere I'd want to use it. If WiFi was important, there's plenty of cheap external adapters that can be picked up easily enough. Chrome... meh.

So yeah, in a nutshell, I'd grab a 20GB unit and put that saved $100 toward a larger drive.

[Gatts]

So yeah, in a nutshell, I'd grab a 20GB unit and put that saved $100 toward a larger drive.

But... but, it's not just WiFi, you also lose the Flash Card Reader! How would you ever transfer games to your PSP without that? :)

[Algernon]

So yeah, in a nutshell, I'd grab a 20GB unit and put that saved $100 toward a larger drive.

But... but, it's not just WiFi, you also lose the Flash Card Reader! How would you ever transfer games to your PSP without that? :)

Oh yeah! I guess I'd have to drop another $10-$20 on an external USB flash card reader.

And $200 on a PSP. :P

[Ty]

You say you think there's little hype for a machine that people have killed each other over to get? Perhaps insanity is the better word rather than hype though. I'm even more astounded that Sony never released any kind of official statement about it. People hurting each other to obtain an object your company sells should never been any kind of publicity you would want.

[FigNewton]

LOL... an unfairly negative article about the Wii and PS3 on MSN. What a riot. Funny how they bag on Sony's inability to sell projected estimates (when it's really an inability to make as many as projected) but they don't say anything about MS's inability to make their projected 10M unit lead on the other systems by the time they launched.

[Johnny]

LOL... an unfairly negative article about the Wii and PS3 on MSN. What a riot. Funny how they bag on Sony's inability to sell projected estimates (when it's really an inability to make as many as projected) but they don't say anything about MS's inability to make their projected 10M unit lead on the other systems by the time they launched.

Don't you read teh intarweb? You should know that only Sony are able to be teh suck while Nintendo and MS are allowed to make mistakes.
Wii-mote straps breaking? It's cool, the Sixaxis is worse because it's a gimmick and an idea copied from Nintendo.
Wii's bricking/fatal error messages? Pfft, don't you know $ony have a secret device in all PS3s that makes them die after a year?
Way more reported problems with launch 360s than PS3s? Sony conspiracy. They had secret workers in the 360 production plants pouring bleach into the consoles and that explains all the problems.
That estimated 10 million unit lead? Dude, don't you know that Microsoft and Nintendo are actually one company and are telling you to buy each others console (all steming from a grossly, grossly misread/misquoted statement)? Yeah, they're called Wii60 and it's actually 360 and Wii sales they were talking about.

lol, n00b

[lostnomad84]

You say you think there's little hype for a machine that people have killed each other over to get? Perhaps insanity is the better word rather than hype though. I'm even more astounded that Sony never released any kind of official statement about it. People hurting each other to obtain an object your company sells should never been any kind of publicity you would want.

I'm not saying there is no hype around the PS3. What I am saying is the initial hype was strong for it, but the PS3 is now overshadowed by hype over the Wii. Just like fads, hypes will come and go. The PS3's hype would have lasted much longer if it was not for the fact Nintendo launched so darn close to the PS3 launch and had higher number of units.

[Warren]

You know, for all the people who say they can find a PS3 in stores, I still can't find any around here. Then again, even if I managed to find one, I probably wouldn't get one until more games come out. I guess I'm just not looking hard enough. ;)

[Fieri]

So yeah, in a nutshell, I'd grab a 20GB unit and put that saved $100 toward a larger drive.

But... but, it's not just WiFi, you also lose the Flash Card Reader! How would you ever transfer games to your PSP without that? :)

Oh yeah! I guess I'd have to drop another $10-$20 on an external USB flash card reader.

And $200 on a PSP. :P


My PSP only cost me $150. :P

[Magus427]

LOL... an unfairly negative article about the Wii and PS3 on MSN. What a riot. Funny how they bag on Sony's inability to sell projected estimates (when it's really an inability to make as many as projected) but they don't say anything about MS's inability to make their projected 10M unit lead on the other systems by the time they launched.

Maybe you'd like to see the one at CNN (http://money.cnn.com/2006/12/08/technology/personaltech/ps3sales/index.htm?postversion=2006120810) . :P

-Magus

[Magus427]

Umm isn't this the console people have been killing each other over and is sold out everywhere except EBAY?

They were killing each other to have one so they could sell for the most part. One of the clerks at my local Game Crazy said he read that something like 65% of buyers surveyed at launch were buying the system to sell it on eBay and the like. The last time I saw numbers of totals sold on eBay was the following week after launch and there were around 30,000 sales at the time IIRC.

One of my friends walked into Target and bought 2 60GB PS3s which he plans to put up on eBay the week before Christmas (since current sales are slacking a bit). The 20GB ones aren't really selling well at all and I think most are probably sitting on the shelf because let's face it, if you can afford the $500 one, I'm sure you can afford the $600 one.

I've also seen people hunting down Wii systems like you would not believe. What's interesting about this is that they aren't buying the other 2 systems, they're simply looking for the Wii, that's it. I was in EB on Thursday night canceling a couple pre-orders and within the 10 minutes I was in there, at least 5 people walked in asking if they had any Wii systems in stock and walked right out when the clerks told them to check back tomorrow.

Granted, the price difference between all the consoles also plays a part. I know quite a few people that would like a PS3 but can't afford it so are either waiting or picking up a Wii instead. 360 is a maybe if they can afford it.

We all knew Sony didn't make the 400K launch number they wanted the PS3s, I'm just surprised it was actually under 200K, that's pretty pathetic.

-Magus

[Ty]

You say you think there's little hype for a machine that people have killed each other over to get? Perhaps insanity is the better word rather than hype though. I'm even more astounded that Sony never released any kind of official statement about it. People hurting each other to obtain an object your company sells should never been any kind of publicity you would want.

I'm not saying there is no hype around the PS3. What I am saying is the initial hype was strong for it, but the PS3 is now overshadowed by hype over the Wii. Just like fads, hypes will come and go. The PS3's hype would have lasted much longer if it was not for the fact Nintendo launched so darn close to the PS3 launch and had higher number of units.
True enough. People love clever gimmicks, and Nintendo is very good at making and selling the best clever gimmicks. I'm rather disappointed by the lack of Power Glove jokes myself. :)

[Magus427]

True enough. People love clever gimmicks, and Nintendo is very good at making and selling the best clever gimmicks. I'm rather disappointed by the lack of Power Glove jokes myself. :)

Really? Then I guess you haven't seen this (http://www.destructoid.com/wii-power-glove-the-ultimate-act-of-nerdom-28481.phtml). :P

-Magus

[Ty]

True enough. People love clever gimmicks, and Nintendo is very good at making and selling the best clever gimmicks. I'm rather disappointed by the lack of Power Glove jokes myself. :)

Really? Then I guess you haven't seen this (http://www.destructoid.com/wii-power-glove-the-ultimate-act-of-nerdom-28481.phtml). :P

-Magus

It was in my Engadget RSS feed today. :)

[Shibi]

Now its only a matter of time before someone creates their Wii version of R.O.B. the Robot.

[quenelf]

This year's experiment: Successful launch of ridiculously expensive hardware with lame-ass first-day game catalog Sony Playstation 3 … FAILED.

Actually it was a pretty successful launch. They're sold out. Everywhere. (Except possibly 20GB, as noted...)

It only even heads toward 'unsuccessful' or 'fail' when they stop selling every 60GB they make and when you can just order one online at any supplier at any time for shipping within 24 hours (like you can now with a DS or a PS2). At that point, the number sold (and the number they're still selling each month) will give some indication of success or failure.

The launch also got a decent amount of publicity.

So, successful launch - so far, yes. Successful production effort? Not so much. :) Sony managed to produce even fewer PS3s than Microsoft did Xbox 360s in their own launch debacle, although at least the PS3s haven't all been overheating.

The most recent revision in their forecast is for a million consoles 'in the pipeline' by the end of the year. Maybe they're in a container somewhere, maybe they're in a factory being assembled, maybe they're not yet in one piece but are arriving as component parts from all over China... who knows, it's in the pipeline... :)

--quen

[indigo0086]

Now its only a matter of time before someone creates their Wii version of R.O.B. the Robot.

:surprised:

thanks for the reminder, that game was fun.

[Daniel_Perales]

You know, for all the people who say they can find a PS3 in stores, I still can't find any around here. Then again, even if I managed to find one, I probably wouldn't get one until more games come out. I guess I'm just not looking hard enough. ;)

I found and bought a PS3 (the 60gig version) at an EBX just this past Saturday, and I wasn't even looking.

Story was: I was with a group of friends at EBX a few minutes before closing. The group was talking about the Wii, and how they were all sold out. Then the sale clerk said that he still has 2 unclaimed PS3, a 20gig and a 60gig model. He was speculating that once the Wii came, the buzz of the PS3 sort of stopped (he said that they didn't have those PS3 at the time).

Once I heard that they had the units in stock, I ask if I can take a look at the 60gig version. He was reluctant at first, but he went in the back and brought it over.

Once I gave it a good look-over, I whipped out my credit-card and bought it (meanwhile, it was kind of funny to see my friend's jaws on the floor).

When we were walking out of the store, one of my friends ask me why I was giving the item a good look-over? I said that I wanted to be sure that the unit is factory-sealed, and not buying someone else's returns.



Danny

[Algernon]

Just a heads-up for people in the Detroit area....

If anyone in is looking for a 60GB PS3, the GameStop inside the mall at Seven Mile and Middlebelt has three in stock.

I was there picking up an extra nunchuck & remote for the Wii (finally found a nunchuck!) and the salesguy told me he had them. Actually, he said something to the effect of "We've got three 60GB PS3s we can't get rid of."

While I was there he got three phonecalls from people looking for a Wii. He told me that he gets about 80 calls every shift, plus all the people walking in looking for them, and it's driving him crazy.

[stfram]

One of the clerks at my local Game Crazy said he read that something like 65% of buyers surveyed at launch were buying the system to sell it on eBay and the like.
-Magus


I was at my local Gamestop, and a customer there was actually buying a 60gb version, first time I ever saw one "in the flesh", so to speak (other than the demo models).

The clerk was all excited, because the customer was actually going to PLAY it rather thean E-Bay it. Every single unit they had sold previously was going on EBay.

[stfram]

When we were walking out of the store, one of my friends ask me why I was giving the item a good look-over? I said that I wanted to be sure that the unit is factory-sealed, and not buying someone else's returns.


I do that as well, not only to ensure that it's still factory sealed, but to also confirm that there are no crushed corners, impacts, etc on the box itself.

If I see a pristine box, that tells me the device inside should be ok. If the box has damage, I'll ask them to get another, or decline to purchase.

Using that method, I've never had a game console fail, and only one DVD player (a cheap $50 Apex model that had a reputation for unreliability).

[Chloe]

Just a heads-up for people in the Detroit area....

If anyone in is looking for a 60GB PS3, the GameStop inside the mall at Seven Mile and Middlebelt has three in stock.

I was there picking up an extra nunchuck & remote for the Wii (finally found a nunchuck!) and the salesguy told me he had them. Actually, he said something to the effect of "We've got three 60GB PS3s we can't get rid of."

While I was there he got three phonecalls from people looking for a Wii. He told me that he gets about 80 calls every shift, plus all the people walking in looking for them, and it's driving him crazy.

We had them available in the Wal-Mart near where I live, the PS3 that is. Stupid saleslady tried to get me to buy one after I come asking about a Wii and they don't have any of course. Don't toy with me woman! :realanger:

I'm one of those people driving the sales clerks nuts. I thought for sure I would be able to get a Wii before X-mas, and I would be able to play with it doing the plant shutdown week. I am so bummed out, the Wii is just not to be found around here. :sad:

I've seen at least 3 stores around here with PS3 still for sale. Granted, I will bet you they were probably 20gig versions, I see no point in even bothering with that thing,with the 60 gig being just a bit more, and I am sure a lot of people feel the same way.

One other thing. My brother in law got a PS3 on launch, and yes, the only game he has really played much is the Resistance one. By contrast, I see at least 5 titles minimum for the Wii that I would buy in a heartbeat if I could find a Wii. I just think Nintendo has a much better selection at launch with a lot more variety. The games do matter.

[Chacranajxy]

By contrast, I see at least 5 titles minimum for the Wii that I would buy in a heartbeat if I could find a Wii. I just think Nintendo has a much better selection at launch with a lot more variety. The games do matter.


I'll tell you right now: There are not 5 good games on the Wii.

[GHardin]

By contrast, I see at least 5 titles minimum for the Wii that I would buy in a heartbeat if I could find a Wii. I just think Nintendo has a much better selection at launch with a lot more variety. The games do matter.


I'll tell you right now: There are not 5 good games on the Wii.

Eh, depends on your tastes. I see at least three worth getting...

[Leon_Belmont]

Arguing which launch lineup is better is like arguing which N Sync member would win a fight. Sure, one would win, might even get a shot worth seeing, but they're not going on a rampage of world conquest anytime soon.

Discarding Zelda, which in some ways should be disqualified now that the GCN version is out, I can see how some would prefer the PS3 lineup. Hell, I would. But it's like deciding the more pleasant aroma between two piles of shit. It's all crap anyway, why bother figuring out which one you think smells better? Go fuckin smell something else.

That's pretty much my take on launch titles in a nutshell.

[Johnny]

By contrast, I see at least 5 titles minimum for the Wii that I would buy in a heartbeat if I could find a Wii. I just think Nintendo has a much better selection at launch with a lot more variety. The games do matter.


I'll tell you right now: There are not 5 good games on the Wii.

If you're comparing the Wii and PS3 current lineups and considering only exclusive games then he has a point. Everyone can see it but no one wants to admit that Sony may not be teh d00med.

I can't really speak for most people as I will buy and enjoy generally anything but my take on the current Wii and PS3 gaming outlook:

PS3 has Resistance, Ridge Racer 7 and Motorstorm all of which I would consider essential.

Wii has Zelda, Wario and Trauma Centre which I would consider the 3 must haves over both regions.

The Wii has more games, yes, but there are also a decent number of PS3 games available.
I have a feeling this generation is going to turn into another ugly PSP vs DS "debate". Everyone whines about the PSP being only ports and not having enough exclusives (which isn't true as there is now a fantastic library of original, exclusive PSP games) whereas the DS is held up as the best thing since sliced bread.
Don't get me wrong, I love them both and the DS truly is fantastic portable but everyone seems to ignore the fact that a lot of DS games are essentially watered down Gamecube games/updated SNES/N64 games with new controls and that due to the unique control system, games sorta have to be different and original by default.
Similarly, the PS3 and 360 will be getting the graphically impressive stuff, arcade ports, most big name series main games and so on whereas the Wii will get the impressive innovative and big name series spinoffs for the most part.
Virtua Fighter 5 running on a Wii is laughable in the same way that Trauma Centre on the PS3 or Wario on the 360 is a joke. But who says such a difference is a bad thing?

The saddest thing in the gaming scene/industry right now is everyones apparent need to have all consoles on a level playing field so that the "winner" can be decided. But you simply cannot compare the DS and PSP on a similar level in the same way that the PS3/360 and Wii are too different to be given a level playing field for battle.

Variety is the spice of life and all that. Embrace the difference and open up to even more games.

[Kinomoto_Shinji]

By contrast, I see at least 5 titles minimum for the Wii that I would buy in a heartbeat if I could find a Wii. I just think Nintendo has a much better selection at launch with a lot more variety. The games do matter.


I'll tell you right now: There are not 5 good games on the Wii.

Eh, depends on your tastes. I see at least three worth getting...

At the moment, all three system have medicore titles, IMO. Nintendo has Zelda and other random crap I could care less for (till Smash Bros. comes out). PS3 and XBOX360 titles are really medicore, especialy if you have a PC that can run current computer game half way decently. I'm very disappointed in the launch. I could have recieved a PS3, 360, or Wii for Xmas, but in all honestly, they would all collected dust if I got one.

Then again, I'm a casual gamer, so I wait to buy mainly big releases like Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, Zelda, etc. None of the current games for the new system released anything "big" yet, except Twilight Pricncess, which you can get for the GCN. This has to be the worst year for games. Period.

[Johnny]

Then again, I'm a casual gamer, so I wait to buy mainly big releases like Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, Zelda, etc. None of the current games for the new system released anything "big" yet, except Twilight Pricncess, which you can get for the GCN. This has to be the worst year for games. Period.

I seriously hope you're joking. Maybe in terms of the launch lineups from a casual gamers view it's lacking, but 2006 has been a great year for gaming. So, so many great games released, especially on the PS2 and DS.

[indigo0086]

I seriously hope you're joking. Maybe in terms of the launch lineups from a casual gamers view it's lacking, but 2006 has been a great year for gaming. So, so many great games released, especially on the PS2 and DS.


I don't think any one system had a perfect lineup, but I own a 360 and ps2 and between the two I had a great year of gaming, the best games came out for the 360 IMO but the ps2 had a few gems, not as much as I hoped though.

[Kinomoto_Shinji]

No, I'm not joking. I couldn't make a top ten game of 2006 list if I tried. There wasn't anything "OMG GOTTA HAVE" like other years. Sure, we got FFXII, Disgaea 2, Bully, Zelda...but not much else IMO. I don't like sport games, racing games, FPS...so a lot of stuff is crap to me. If it wasn't for Bemani type games (including ones that aren't Bemani), I wouldn't be gaming much at all. Thank god for Pump It Up, ITG, IIDX, and Pop'n.

[Johnny]

I seriously hope you're joking. Maybe in terms of the launch lineups from a casual gamers view it's lacking, but 2006 has been a great year for gaming. So, so many great games released, especially on the PS2 and DS.


I don't think any one system had a perfect lineup, but I own a 360 and ps2 and between the two I had a great year of gaming, the best games came out for the 360 IMO but the ps2 had a few gems, not as much as I hoped though.


Very true now that I think about it - the 360 did really well this year with the likes of Senko no Ronde, Dead Rising, Saints Row, Gears of War and Lost Planet which has just been released in Japan.
In the US, the PS2 had some nice releases, but I was mainly refering to the quality of the Japanese releases.

[indigo0086]

No, I'm not joking. I couldn't make a top ten game of 2006 list if I tried. There wasn't anything "OMG GOTTA HAVE" like other years. Sure, we got FFXII, Disgaea 2, Bully, Zelda...but not much else IMO. I don't like sport games, racing games, FPS...so a lot of stuff is crap to me. If it wasn't for Bemani type games (including ones that aren't Bemani), I wouldn't be gaming much at all. Thank god for Pump It Up, ITG, IIDX, and Pop'n.

The problem is not the games, but your personal tast.

[Gatts]

Please remember to keep it civil. I don't actually want to have to do any work on this forum. Remember the way you word a post can be considered offensive even if that is not your intention.

[indigo0086]

fix'ded

[ADC]

I don't actually want to have to do any work on this forum.
Here's my nomination for best quote. :D

[Chloe]

By contrast, I see at least 5 titles minimum for the Wii that I would buy in a heartbeat if I could find a Wii. I just think Nintendo has a much better selection at launch with a lot more variety. The games do matter.


I'll tell you right now: There are not 5 good games on the Wii.

Eh, depends on your tastes. I see at least three worth getting...

I just want to clarify this, since Chacranajxy seems to have missed it: I didn't say there are five good games for the Wii. I said there at least five titles that I would buy immediately if I could get a Wii. That the Wii just shows more variety in it's initial offerings compared to the PS3, that's all. I am not a partisan even if I do adore my GC, and I don't care which console wins whatever. I would have no problem with buying a PS3 except where in the hell I would put it with my limited living space atm. :)

I also think Sony/MS are missing a major point here: The Wii and the DS are not novelties, they are Nintendo trying to push the envelope and change the way games are played period. In the long run I think that is going to pay off for them. You can only upgrade the hardware so much before you don't need any more. And I've played plenty of games that were beautiful but just totally sucked at, well, being a game. Just not fun to play. Graphics are not the Holy Grail of gaming, just a piece of the puzzle.

[dunno001]

I don't actually want to have to do any work on this forum.
Here's my nomination for best quote. :D

And I was just going to call him lazy... I think I would prefer it to be quoteboxed for all eternity, though... :evil:

[Kurou]

I also think Sony/MS are missing a major point here: The Wii and the DS are not novelties, they are Nintendo trying to push the envelope and change the way games are played period. In the long run I think that is going to pay off for them. You can only upgrade the hardware so much before you don't need any more. And I've played plenty of games that were beautiful but just totally sucked at, well, being a game. Just not fun to play. Graphics are not the Holy Grail of gaming, just a piece of the puzzle.



I'm not nitpicking you personally, but I can't stand that sentiment. The whole implication that everybody but Nintendo is focused solely on graphics over gameplay is just wrong. Sony and MS' developers are pushing in new directions as well, it's just not nearly as often (or as loudly) BY those two as it is Nintendo.

Nintendo's doing something new. That's great. But new isn't always good.

Take the PC, for example. It's had the same basic control setup for at least twenty years. That doesn't stop it from having stellar games year after year after year.

Compare that to the DS. It's a wonderful little handheld, but plenty of the games on it don't use the "new" control feature well, and some games are even hampered by it. Some of the best games (IMO, Castlevania PoR and FF3) don't even use it to any real extent! Yes, there are games that use it well, but..

Yes, the next-gen hardware will be able to make things prettier, but that's not nearly all. It allows some developers to push the boundary on things that run behind the scenes, like AI. Or physics systems, enhanced environments (and interactivity), and a number of other things.

I'll wind up getting all three eventually. I own a 360, and the other two will follow..someday.

(I think being this sick makes me bitchy. :sad:)

[indigo0086]

I'll even go out on a limb (a pretty sturdy one) and say that nintendo isn't doing anything new, they are doing the same thing they've been doing since the NES and that is releasing peripherals, addons, little trinkets that work in tandem with technology and not ahead of it. The games may be fun, but it's just nintendo's way of adding another toy to a console, only this time it comes with the system.

And as long as moores law applies, we'll never have "enough" technology. Which means we'll never have enough advanced graphics, memory, processing power, etc etc, so while Nintendo releases third tier tech, other companies are going to take advantage of technology that comes in relatively cheap. And it only gets cheaper.

[Ty]

I don't actually want to have to do any work on this forum.
Here's my nomination for best quote. :D

And I was just going to call him lazy... I think I would prefer it to be quoteboxed for all eternity, though... :evil:
I think all that data collection on hentai is taking up too much time. :P

[Gatts]

I think all that data collection on hentai is taking up too much time. :P

I'll have you know, I haven't made a hentai post in about two months now. (I'm slacking) :P

[Starwind Amada]

I was planning on getting a Wii, but so far, most of the games look like little kid-friendly games, like Wii Sports and Excite Truck. Sure, there's Zelda, but not much else. DBZ Tenkaichi Budokai 2? I can get that for PSP. And then there's the whole Virtual Console thing, but the Playstation Store looks much more promising. I can even download PS1 games to my PSP and use the Playstation Network, which looks so much better than the Mii Channel on the Wii. Oh, and a PS3 is the only way I can get Guns of the Patriots. The only MGS goodness on the Wii is Snake being included in SSB Brawl. Oh, and Twin Snakes for the Gamecube, but I've already played that.

All I have to do now is scrounge up $600 - $700 (plus $60+ for games) and I'll be good. I don't trust eBay, so fuck that.

[Johnny]

And then there's the whole Virtual Console thing, but the Playstation Store looks much more promising. I can even download PS1 games to my PSP



As much as I love the Virtual Console and think it is one of the best things to happen in gaming in a long time, the PSone downloads from the Playstation Store are a thing of beauty.
Not only can I get some Japanese titles that passed me by the first time around, but the thought of playing the countless classics released on the original Playstation on the go is very promising. Plus there's the fact that they cost between £2-£3.

Although I would say you should pick up a Wii too at some point. The games may not be there at the minute (even though I bought more titles at launch than I had in my entire 360 collection at the same time :nervous:) but there's sure to be loads of must haves next year and in the future.

[jecca-neko]

No, I'm not joking. I couldn't make a top ten game of 2006 list if I tried. There wasn't anything "OMG GOTTA HAVE" like other years. Sure, we got FFXII, Disgaea 2, Bully, Zelda...but not much else IMO. I don't like sport games, racing games, FPS...so a lot of stuff is crap to me. If it wasn't for Bemani type games (including ones that aren't Bemani), I wouldn't be gaming much at all. Thank god for Pump It Up, ITG, IIDX, and Pop'n.

The problem is not the games, but your personal tast.


I play games more than Shinji does and I'd agree with him. Granted, I didn't buy any of the big 2006 games other than Twilight Princess yet, because I have acquired such a talent at acquiring games cheap that I don't see the point in buying the large releases that will be around for a while, especially because they're guaranteed to go cheap. I'll buy FFXII, Xenosaga 3, etc at some point, just not now.

So what does this mean? Nowadays there's only two types of games I buy right away: 1) Games that got a low printing and I don't want it to go OOP before I can get a copy and 2) Games that I'm super excited about and must have right away. The Wii and a couple of launch games, for instance, I had to buy right away.

I didn't really have many games that made me super excited this year. There are great games that came out, but not that many must haves.

[Josephine]

Slightly off topic, but I'm having a ton of trouble finding a DS for my mom. I figured everyone would be caught up with the new consoles and there would be at least a few DS systems around.

I bought her a bunch of games for Christmas while they were on sale, but the immediate two weeks before the holiday, it seemed like every store in Chicago sold out of them the day before I came in. I've been searching NE Ohio for about a week now trying to locate one at any electronic, department, or game store, and no place seems to have it. I don't know much about it, but it seems really weird that they're all still gone a full week after Christmas.

[lostnomad84]

Slightly off topic, but I'm having a ton of trouble finding a DS for my mom. I figured everyone would be caught up with the new consoles and there would be at least a few DS systems around.

I bought her a bunch of games for Christmas while they were on sale, but the immediate two weeks before the holiday, it seemed like every store in Chicago sold out of them the day before I came in. I've been searching NE Ohio for about a week now trying to locate one at any electronic, department, or game store, and no place seems to have it. I don't know much about it, but it seems really weird that they're all still gone a full week after Christmas.

I read recently that DS units were hard to find and apparently they are. After looking at Gamestop.com and Amazon.com, all their DS Lite units are backordered. My guess is that Nintendo is just having a very hard time keeping up with the post Christmas demand for the Wii and the DS Lite.

Your best luck would to keep checking stores for when their shipments arrive, check online stores at least once a day, etc... Unlike the Wii, I don't think the demand for the DS Lite will last too long. Give it a few weeks and you should be able to find some units.

[SpaceButler]

I was just at an EB by my house and they had like 6 or 7 DS lites just sitting there. But before X-mas my moms friend had to travel to like three and a half hours from her house to find one for her daughter. So ya there seems to be a DS shortage.

[GHardin]

Yeah, it's funny how DS Lites were plentiful for a couple months...then comes the holiday season, and now they're all gone. I was starting to think it might be easier finding a Wii than a DS Lite at one point (it was a hell of a lot easier finding a PS3! :P), but then my Best Buy got more than a dozen two days after Christmas; then the next day then got about a dozen Wiis. Go figure. :D :sd:

But in times like these, use iTrackr! (http://www.itrackr.com) It didn't work for me when finding a Wii, but I'm sure it'll work for anyone else trying to find a hot item... :sd:

[SpaceButler]

Ya I just notice this (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6163600.html?tag=latestnews;title;2) on Gamespot. Says the DSlite pink and black models were the top 2 selling peices of gaming hardware this Xmas from Amazon.

[Josephine]

But in times like these, use iTrackr! (http://www.itrackr.com) It didn't work for me when finding a Wii, but I'm sure it'll work for anyone else trying to find a hot item... :sd:

Wow, I've never heard of that site before, thanks ^_^ It'll be extremely useful for when I get back to Chicago. Sadly, there seems to be only one member in my parent's radius. Weird, considering Pittsburgh isn't that far away.

[SpaceButler]

Well, I hope there are as many PS3's kicking around as I keep hearing, because I've decided to go and try to find a 60GB one today when I get up. Yup, that's right, I'm taking the plunge.

Wish me luck on finding one... Though apparantly I won't be needing any. But for some reason though I have a feeling that I'm not gonna find one, cause that's just my luck...

[ADC]

Luck.

[FigNewton]

But for some reason though I have a feeling that I'm not gonna find one, cause that's just my luck...

You might not find one immediately, but I don't think it'll take you long if you are even the least bit persistent. I'd bet within a week of beginning the search.

[Ty]

Luck.
Underneath your postID number at top it says In response to SpaceButler and I really want to know how you get it to display there like that in the normal flat view.

edit: and mine's got it too, so it's probably nothing you did. :) Some of them don't though so I'm confused.

edit edit: uhhhhh and when I edited the post it went away..... now I'm more confused....

[Gatts]

Delete the subject.

[Ty]

Delete the subject.
Very cool, thanks. That's what I've been looking for. It makes sense..... if you're responding specifically but not quoting delete the subject and that line appears, otherwise you're making a generic comment in contribution to the subject discussion not aimed at a particular reader. I gets it. :)

[fantasydewdrop]

Yeah, the DS Lite shortage is affecting me too a bit. I really wanted a pink one, but I had to spend my $70ish in Best Buy coupons before they expired and the local one only had the black one, so I got that with hopes of trading for a pink one later. I haven't been able to catch Best Buy with any pink ones, and the two Wal-Marts I've checked after Christmas didn't have any either. -_-'
Of course, all the local Gamestops and EB have pink ones, but they won't do even trades for new, unopened systems. But EB might give me their Twilight Princess display when they're done with it. :virgin:

Fuck it, if it comes down to it I've got some pink spray paint and can get the right screw drivers....

[GHardin]

You shouldn't have a problem. I walked into my Best Buy today and saw nearly 20 of them just sitting there, no doubt leftovers from Sunday morning's big PS3 push, which I'm guessing didn't go as smoothly as they were hoping. :/

[Gatts]

Kotaku (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/plenty-o-ps3s-but-no-takers-225271.php) has an article on it. However I'd take a kotaku article with a grain of salt since they a pretty negative on most Sony related things.

[Azumangaman]

PS2 To Still Outsell PS3's for a Long Time (http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/dec2006/gb20061228_090512.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index _businessweek+exclusives)

What do you think?

Interesting article from Business Week. Although I guess that it's kind of obvious this'll happen.

[Johnny]

PS2 To Still Outsell PS3's for a Long Time (http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/dec2006/gb20061228_090512.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index _businessweek+exclusives)

What do you think?

Interesting article from Business Week. Although I guess that it's kind of obvious this'll happen.

No surprise at all. There's a 100 million+ worldwide userbase plus development costs are much, much lower than for the PS3 so developers can take risks etc.
The (PS2) releases will dry up by the middle of the year outside Japan, but I fully expect to see (and be buying) Japanese PS2 releases throughout 2007 and beyond.

It'll be sad to see it in a couple of years in the west as it'll be only for kiddie/movie tie-in games (like the PSone) but there's still a lot of great stuff coming on PS2.

[GHardin]

Kotaku (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/plenty-o-ps3s-but-no-takers-225271.php) has an article on it. However I'd take a kotaku article with a grain of salt since they a pretty negative on most Sony related things.

I can't really argue with what they said this time...then again, there really wasn't much to think about with this one. It is a wonder as to why there are so many PS3s left over...maybe the price tag is too much? Or is the launch software and the lack of original titles (same could be said for the Wii's launch titles as well; or any other launch titles for that matter :sd: )? It's just a little surprising that the PS3s would be readily available this soon when predictions were showing it would be hard to get until this spring...

[SpaceButler]

I found a 60GB PS3, and I am now the semi-happy owner of it. Target and BestBuy both had 60GBs in stock. BestBuy had alot of 'em.

Unfortunately EB was out of Resistance: Fall of Man, so I have no game until they get it in. Because I spent all of my money on the system and only have a EB gift card to buy a game with. I want to play... I'm sad. :(

[Kikaroo]

I don't think it's that amazing or hard to understand. The price just isn't worth it right now since it's more expensive than the other consoles and right now has few games of interest. We've seen them in local GameStops the last couple of weeks but hubby says there is only ONE game he'd want to play - not worth the $600 price tag.

We picked up both a 360 and a Wii this holiday season and spent less than if we'd bought a PS3.

Price will have to drop or a new FF will have to show up before we get one.

[ADC]

I found a 60GB PS3, and I am now the semi-happy owner of it. Target and BestBuy both had 60GBs in stock. BestBuy had alot of 'em.

Unfortunately EB was out of Resistance: Fall of Man, so I have no game until they get it in. Because I spent all of my money on the system and only have a EB gift card to buy a game with. I want to play... I'm sad. :(
On the one hand, it's great that you found one. On the other hand, it's a bummer you didn't find the game you want. On the other other hand, you didn't specify what kind of luck we should wish, so it's your own fault! :P

[Magus427]

Kotaku (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/plenty-o-ps3s-but-no-takers-225271.php) has an article on it. However I'd take a kotaku article with a grain of salt since they a pretty negative on most Sony related things.

I can't really argue with what they said this time...then again, there really wasn't much to think about with this one. It is a wonder as to why there are so many PS3s left over...maybe the price tag is too much? Or is the launch software and the lack of original titles (same could be said for the Wii's launch titles as well; or any other launch titles for that matter :sd: )? It's just a little surprising that the PS3s would be readily available this soon when predictions were showing it would be hard to get until this spring...

While Kotaku may have a bit of a bias towards Sony, that didn't stop them from going out and buying PS3s anyway.

I think it's both the price tag and the lackluster launch titles that have hurt the PS3. There is really no "stand out" title that you have to buy a PS3 for. It also doesn't help that Sony is losing exclusives left, right, and center (Assassin's Creed, GTA 4, and VF5 all on 360, with a heavy rumor MGS 4 will be going to 360 too in order to balance profits for the game). At the rate they're going, they may be forced to have to rely strictly on new titles (and FFXIII), at least one of which hopefully ends up being great and makes it worth a system purchase.

As for the Wii, one it's cheaper, two, I haven't met anyone yet who's played it that doesn't want to own it, and three, it has a game worth buying the system for in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. That said, I bet you don't find Wii systems in stores regularly until March at the earliest, if not later than that. The other bad part for Sony is that Nintendo is actually meeting (or coming damn close to) its sales goals. If Sony only ends up meeting theirs halfway by March, they're going to have a long uphill battle with Microsoft and Nintendo.

My prediction - If the PS3 does end up with the majority of market share, that won't happen until Microsoft and Nintendo have released (or are on the verge of releasing) new systems with 360 and Wii on their way out 4-5 years from now.

-Magus

[Lego]

It also doesn't help that Best Buy basically horded systems until after the holidays, then put 20-30 on display at a time. I don't care how much anticipation you have, moving 20-30 600 dollar machines is a feat in itself on a normal shopping day.

[DeadlyMessiah]

Yep, the PS3 is not selling well. We have 50 instock on Sunday for sale, and when I left yesterday evening, we still had 20 something units. It seems like that all of the fanboys who had to have one right away already bought them off ebay for thousands of dollars because they were too stupid to wait.

[Johnny]

I think it's both the price tag and the lackluster launch titles that have hurt the PS3. There is really no "stand out" title that you have to buy a PS3 for. It also doesn't help that Sony is losing exclusives left, right, and center (Assassin's Creed, GTA 4, and VF5 all on 360, with a heavy rumor MGS 4 will be going to 360 too in order to balance profits for the game). At the rate they're going, they may be forced to have to rely strictly on new titles (and FFXIII), at least one of which hopefully ends up being great and makes it worth a system purchase.



Don't forget that Microsoft have lost/are losing some important exclusives.
Ninja Gaiden was a very important Xbox exclusive and it's now on PS3. Lost Planet is likely to be ported at some stage and the Dead Rising sequel is thought to be a multi-platform title.
It would be accurate to say the 360 only has Halo 3 and Gears of War as must-have exclusives at the minute but "ZOMG, MS is teh d00med!!1! doesn't seem to be as interesting a story for some reason.

[Kurou]

Ninja Gaiden? Sigma's just a port of Black, with enhanced graphics and some new content.

The exclusives Sony's been losing are current or future titles.

Plus, the whole price gap between the 360 and PS3..

[ADC]

It would be accurate to say the 360 only has Halo 3 and Gears of War as must-have exclusives at the minute but "ZOMG, MS is teh d00med!!1! doesn't seem to be as interesting a story for some reason.
You have to factor in that Sony is losing something like $300 per PS3 unit sold (partially because of the BD drive) while Microsoft is actually making money on the Xbox 360 hardware. Ask Nintendo and they'll tell you, you can get through some lean times in this business so long as your hardware division is profitable.

Still, being an ardent Microsoft hater, I would love to get that "ZOMG, MS is teh d00med!!1!" thread started. Problem is that it ain't so. At least, not the Xbox division. Zune's another matter.

[Azumangaman]

Still, being an ardent Microsoft hater, I would love to get that "ZOMG, MS is teh d00med!!1!" thread started. Problem is that it ain't so. At least, not the Xbox division. Zune's another matter.

I'm gonna buy you a 360, and not give you a gift reciept! SO EVIL!

Anyway, the 360 is probably a decent factor as to why the PS3 isn't selling better.
For less money, and 100+ games already out (and tons of WICKED SICK ones) the PS3 has a challenge.
Give it a year or so.

[lostnomad84]

It would be accurate to say the 360 only has Halo 3 and Gears of War as must-have exclusives at the minute but "ZOMG, MS is teh d00med!!1! doesn't seem to be as interesting a story for some reason.
You have to factor in that Sony is losing something like $300 per PS3 unit sold (partially because of the BD drive) while Microsoft is actually making money on the Xbox 360 hardware. Ask Nintendo and they'll tell you, you can get through some lean times in this business so long as your hardware division is profitable.

Still, being an ardent Microsoft hater, I would love to get that "ZOMG, MS is teh d00med!!1!" thread started. Problem is that it ain't so. At least, not the Xbox division. Zune's another matter.

Microsoft is still losing money on their console. However, they are in the process of reducing the chip size for their processor on the 360 making it cheaper to produce, possibly gaining a profit.

You are also not the only one who wants to see Microsoft go down hill. I am not a fan of Microsoft by any means (heck, I'm using a Mac ;)), but the 360 is a fantastic product. As long as they keep putting games out that I enjoy (exclusives or not), I'll keep buying. If they abandon the console, I'll abandon them. It is as simple as that.

[lostnomad84]

Give it a year or so.


This is a very good piece of advice for any console buyer. I hate to admit it, but I'm an early adapter because I'm a techie who just likes to get their hands on anything new. But, a console launch doesn't always determine if a console will do well one year later or will bomb. Good examples are the Dreamcast, which had a great launch just didn't keep the momentum going after that. Also the Nintendo DS, which had a lackluster launch, turned into one of the hottest consoles this season.

Patience will pay off in the long run if you are not certain to which console will have the games or not.

[Magus427]

Don't forget that Microsoft have lost/are losing some important exclusives.
Ninja Gaiden was a very important Xbox exclusive and it's now on PS3. Lost Planet is likely to be ported at some stage and the Dead Rising sequel is thought to be a multi-platform title.
It would be accurate to say the 360 only has Halo 3 and Gears of War as must-have exclusives at the minute but "ZOMG, MS is teh d00med!!1! doesn't seem to be as interesting a story for some reason.

Well, I can't really see the titles you mention being that exclusive to begin with.

Ninja Gaiden is basically a port with graphics a little bit prettier and some new stuff added to it. That said, I don't think you can say MS has lost an exclusive in that sense since it was a publishing decision to port the title and Team Ninja is not involved with the PS3 version at all (meaning the port could very well end up playing horribly on the PS3). Team Ninja is still strictly behind Microsoft and the 360.

I've heard Lost Planet looks good, but might not play so hot. And even if you do see a port to the PS3, I'm sure it'll at least be a year out from the XBox 360 version (which doesn't help Sony in the short term).

Dead Rising ended up being very good on the 360 and it sold well so it's not surprising the sequel will go multi-platform for more money (most sequels to games that sell well typically go multi-platform).

The bottom line is Sony needs to get a hardware base for publishers to make money on their titles if they expect to keep their exclusive software titles.

-Magus

[Warren]

I don't think it's that amazing or hard to understand. The price just isn't worth it right now since it's more expensive than the other consoles and right now has few games of interest. We've seen them in local GameStops the last couple of weeks but hubby says there is only ONE game he'd want to play - not worth the $600 price tag.

Given how expensive the PS3 is, it makes me wonder why some (online) retailers insist on bundling the units to make it even more expensive. Just check out the EBgames/Gamestop site. After seeing the slightly less than $900 price tag for the bundle, $600 almost seems like a bargain.

[SpaceButler]

According to this (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/752/752861p1.html) news bit on IGN Sony sold about 750,000 PS3s over the holidays. That is a decent amount less than half of what Microsoft and Nintendo sold of their respective consoles with Nintendo pushing 1.8 million Wii's and Microsoft coming in first in the console wars by selling 2 million 360s.

Looks like it truly is bummin' days for Sony, at least for the moment. In this (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6163625.html?tag=latestnews;title;1) little snip on Gamespot a research firm in Ireland predicts that the PS3 will eventually have "the largest market share." Though they go on to say they don't think Sony will control as much of the market as they did the last generation.

I dunno if anyone cares, just thought I'd post these as I found them interesting.

[HitokiriShadow]

According to this (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/752/752861p1.html) news bit on IGN Sony sold about 750,000 PS3s over the holidays. That is a decent amount less than half of what Microsoft and Nintendo sold of their respective consoles with Nintendo pushing 1.8 million Wii's and Microsoft coming in first in the console wars by selling 2 million 360s.


But keep in mind that the 360 has been out for over a year and the Wii and PS3 just came out. When you consider that, the PS3 hadn't done too bad compared to Microsoft (though it still fell way short of their goal). It doesn't take much to come in first when you have a one year lead and the Wii was not far behind them after less than two months. The PS3 is sputtering, but its hard to predict what things may bring once more systems are available and more good games are out.

[DeadlyMessiah]

Don't forget that Microsoft have lost/are losing some important exclusives.
Ninja Gaiden was a very important Xbox exclusive and it's now on PS3. Lost Planet is likely to be ported at some stage and the Dead Rising sequel is thought to be a multi-platform title.
It would be accurate to say the 360 only has Halo 3 and Gears of War as must-have exclusives at the minute but "ZOMG, MS is teh d00med!!1! doesn't seem to be as interesting a story for some reason.

How is Microsoft losing Ninja Gaiden? The 360 is getting Ninja Gaiden 2, the PS3 is getting a port of a 4 year old game. That is no losing an exclusive, especially when NG was on regular XBOX.

Halo 3 is not worth mentioning, as that is the biggest pile of crap ever. I cannot believe how hyped that game is, and the only reason I want it to come out is so that people can stop asking, "When is Halo 3 coming out?" as if that is the only game in existence.

The only exclusive the PS3 has is DMC4, but if Capcom ports Lost Planet and Dead Rising to the PS3, then they will most likely port DMC4 to the 360.

Oh, check this out, it was taken at an EB shop.

http://archivaria.com/DrKain/ILoveYouPS3.jpg

[ADC]

But keep in mind that the 360 has been out for over a year and the Wii and PS3 just came out. When you consider that, the PS3 hadn't done too bad compared to Microsoft (though it still fell way short of their goal). It doesn't take much to come in first when you have a one year lead and the Wii was not far behind them after less than two months. The PS3 is sputtering, but its hard to predict what things may bring once more systems are available and more good games are out.
Also consider that Microsoft expected to shift 4 millions and ended up moving 2; Nintendo expected to shift 4 millions and ended up moving 1.8; and Sony … well, they ate it. It suggests that the issue isn't Sony sucking, or Microsoft sucking, or Nintendo sucking, but that the gaming industry is a bit soft right now.

Now, here's the difference. I do think that Nintendo would have moved more Wiis if they'd had more in the stores, but their estimate of 4 millions was acknowledged by them to be unrealisitic. I don't think that Sony was going to shift a whole lot more PS3s than they did. The difference could be as little as one bundled game, or as big as $350.

I still remember the PS2 launch, which was not stellar but ended up being pretty solid. They didn't meet demand, but they did a whole lot better in 2000 than they're doing today. Part of it was that the launch lineup was better. Software absolutely makes a difference. We sold a bunch of PS2s on the strength of SSX and Smuggler's Run, neither of which were initially expected to drive sales. I still don't see the kind of surprise title in the PS3 lineup.

I also think that gamers have figured out the whole launch window thing. First-generation titles are very rarely keepers anymore; the days of Mario leading the way are pretty much gone, and Microsoft and Sony don't have anything close to a Mario-type franchise. Nintendo could probably have brought the Wii to market earlier — it's not that different, inside, from the Gamecube, after all — but they might not have been able to lead with Zelda. Neither Microsoft nor Sony can build a launch window around a franchise title.

There's a lot that contributes to a successful launch. Sony sort of gambled that DVD and PS1 compatibility would help drive PS2 sales, and they won big — but they had launch titles which were worthwhile. This time, they gambled on BD and PS2 compatibility, and it looks a bit grim, but where are the titles? The SNES launch, way back in the day, had only three games to go with it, but one of them was Super Mario World, and that makes all the difference.

I think, now that I look at that last paragraph, that November is probably the wrong time to launch in any event. There's not enough time to ramp up production of the console, nor to get a bunch of great games out, before the Christmas shopping season gets into full swing. I would make every effort, if I were in charge of one of these companies when they get Generation 8 rolling, to get my console out no later than August.

[SpaceButler]

Halo 3 is not worth mentioning, as that is the biggest pile of crap ever.

Agreed. The Halo series is the most overrated and over-hyped game series going, with the Metroid Prime series coming in a close second...*Prepares for a beating from crazed Metroid fans*

[Jarred]

Nintendo expected to shift 4 millions and ended up moving 1.8;
Wasn't that 4M worldwide though, and the 1.8M number is North America? That last unofficial number I saw for worldwide was around 3.1M or something.

[SpaceButler]

Nintendo expected to shift 4 millions and ended up moving 1.8;
Wasn't that 4M worldwide though, and the 1.8M number is North America? That last unofficial number I saw for worldwide was around 3.1M or something.

Ya that sounds correct. Cause I thought I remember their goal for NA being 2mil Wii's sold.

[HitokiriShadow]

I think, now that I look at that last paragraph, that November is probably the wrong time to launch in any event. There's not enough time to ramp up production of the console, nor to get a bunch of great games out, before the Christmas shopping season gets into full swing. I would make every effort, if I were in charge of one of these companies when they get Generation 8 rolling, to get my console out no later than August.

I doubt this will change though, as November is the beginning of the all-important Holiday shopping season. However, they could try starting production of units sooner so they actually have more consoles to sell. Also, while Sony and Microsoft don't have their own powerhouse franchises like Mario and Zelda, they can make use of other big titles like Halo, Final Fantasy (or some other high profile RPG series), or Metal Gear. Having something like that would help them immensely, I think (assuming, of course, they had the units to sell).

If the Wii can continue to provide quality family games that anyone can enjoy, then the Wii will probably easily outsell both the PS3 and the 360. However, I expect that most of the big titles that more regular/hardcore gamers are interested to go to the PS3 and 360, but not the Wii. For multisystem releases, the Wii will likely be ignored, or get inferior ports. Unless the motion-sensing makes a significant (and improved) difference in the gameplay, gamers will have little reason to get the Wii version if they can get a much nicer version for their PS3/360. Graphics aren't everything, but they are important, and the PS3 and 360 have advantages in other areas like processing power as well.

In short, the Wii will probably do great in terms of how many units it sells. But in terms of big name titles... not so much. This where the PS3 can still do well: by grabbing the big name titles (or creating new ones) and, if they can't get them exclusively, offer them first or offer the superior version. In addition, they already have one big advantage over the 360: Free online play and not forcing developers to use their network (this could be a double-edged sword, but I think its more good than bad). If they can secure a few hit exclusives early on (MGS4 and Final Fantasy; and where FF goes, other JRPGs tend to follow), they will probably do okay.

In fact, JRPGs may be Sony's saving grace since the 360 has poor Japanese support at the moment. At the moment, the main FF games look like they will be on PS3 and FF's main games have yet to be muliplatform (unless you count the PC versions of 7 and 8). And historically, the console war "winner" has Final Fantasy and over 2/3 of the other RPGs. Other systems may get a few nice RPGs, but the bulk goes to the system with Final Fantasy. The wild card in this generation is MistWalker, which could change that if Blue Dragon can convince Japanese gamers to get a 360. Whether that will happen remains to be seen, though I don't expect it to.

In short, Sony is off to a rocky start, but they are not down for the count by any means.

[HitokiriShadow]

Nintendo expected to shift 4 millions and ended up moving 1.8;
Wasn't that 4M worldwide though, and the 1.8M number is North America? That last unofficial number I saw for worldwide was around 3.1M or something.

Ya that sounds correct. Cause I thought I remember their goal for NA being 2mil Wii's sold.

Then they fell a bit short, but they did pretty damn good for a month and a half. And Microsoft only sold 4 million in a little over a year?

[ADC]

Nintendo expected to shift 4 millions and ended up moving 1.8;
Wasn't that 4M worldwide though, and the 1.8M number is North America? That last unofficial number I saw for worldwide was around 3.1M or something.
Ya that sounds correct. Cause I thought I remember their goal for NA being 2mil Wii's sold.
Then they fell a bit short, but they did pretty damn good for a month and a half. And Microsoft only sold 4 million in a little over a year?
I seem to recall that Microsoft intended to ship 10 million by the end of 2006 and had already shipped 6 million going into Q4, leaving 4 million to ship from October to December. (Note: Shipped, not necessarily sold.) Whether they made that goal or not, there were plenty of Xbox 360s at retail pretty much wherever you went, so shipments aren't translating into sales quite as effectively as they'd probably hoped. I do think, having said that, that Microsoft's launch has actually been pretty good. They still had shortages and some hardware issues, but that meets with Nintendo's launch as well (thankfully, my Wii didn't brick upon downloading the 2.0u update, and I got the thicker wrist strap — I'm not the kind of gamer who throws or drops controllers, of course), and I think we can agree that Nintendo's has gone well.

[SpaceButler]

Then they fell a bit short, but they did pretty damn good for a month and a half.

Damn right they did. I was worried that Nintendo was gonna come way short and PS3 was gonna be all the rage, but it turned out to be the other way around. Which is a very interesting turn of events I think. I thought Nintendo's plan to capture an untapped market of casual gamers just straight up wasn't gonna work, but it worked and it worked well.

Nintendo has to keep the ideas flowing though. They can't let the remote sensor capabilities become stale if they want to keep their new-found audience.

[Gatts]

Agreed. The Halo series is the most overrated and over-hyped game series going, with the Metroid Prime series coming in a close second...*Prepares for a beating from crazed Metroid fans*

Certainly, because there is no hype at all for Final Fantasy or Mario. Just Halo and Metroid.

[SpaceButler]

Agreed. The Halo series is the most overrated and over-hyped game series going, with the Metroid Prime series coming in a close second...*Prepares for a beating from crazed Metroid fans*

Certainly, because there is no hype at all for Final Fantasy or Mario. Just Halo and Metroid.

I think lots of games are over-hyped. It just happens to be for me that Halo and Metroid were the biggest let downs for me personally. Well at least Halo 2 anyways, cause when I got Halo 1 when I first got my Xbox at launch I didn't know much about it so I can't say that was over-hyped for me. I actually enjoyed it and played lots of multiplayer with my friends, but once I got a decent PC and got into PC FPS games I realized that, IMO, Halo is just an average FPS game.

And in the case of Metroid Prime, I just really didn't like it personally, which was dissapointing to me big time being a huge fan of the earlier Metroid games. But my opinion is in the minority here on both counts.

I could have worded my original post a little better, or at least thrown in a "IMO" somewhere. Sorry if it rubbed you the wrong way, I didn't mean for it to. It was just my opinion, worded poorly and bluntly.

[Suwako Moriya]

And in the case of Metroid Prime, I just really didn't like it personally, which was dissapointing to me big time being a huge fan of the earlier Metroid games.

I wouldn't call myself a huge fan of the Metroid series, but for certain I did enjoy the Metroid 2 and Super Metroid. They were pretty nice games over all. I also played some of the original, but it has been awhile. However as for Metroid Prime.

Let's just say that I'm also one that didn't care for it. I didn't like the controls and I've always had a hatred for first person view. It just didn't work for me and I have no interest in ever trying another Metroid Prime.

As for over-hyped games. In general any popular series is going to be victim to the over-hyped feeling. Of course hype is always a shared problem. Heck sometimes the worse hype may in fact be the one that the player creates for himself.

[GHardin]

*Prepares for a beating from crazed Metroid fans*
Don't know why you would think they'd beat you...it's your opinion!
*Walks a little closer with an aluminum baseball bat hidden behind back* :>

[indigo0086]

Agreed. The Halo series is the most overrated and over-hyped game series going, with the Metroid Prime series coming in a close second...*Prepares for a beating from crazed Metroid fans*

Certainly, because there is no hype at all for Final Fantasy or Mario. Just Halo and Metroid.

I think lots of games are over-hyped. It just happens to be for me that Halo and Metroid were the biggest let downs for me personally. Well at least Halo 2 anyways, cause when I got Halo 1 when I first got my Xbox at launch I didn't know much about it so I can't say that was over-hyped for me. I actually enjoyed it and played lots of multiplayer with my friends, but once I got a decent PC and got into PC FPS games I realized that, IMO, Halo is just an average FPS game.

And in the case of Metroid Prime, I just really didn't like it personally, which was dissapointing to me big time being a huge fan of the earlier Metroid games. But my opinion is in the minority here on both counts.

I could have worded my original post a little better, or at least thrown in a "IMO" somewhere. Sorry if it rubbed you the wrong way, I didn't mean for it to. It was just my opinion, worded poorly and bluntly.

It's easy to deduce that it was your opinion.

[DeadlyMessiah]

Halo 3 is not worth mentioning, as that is the biggest pile of crap ever.

Agreed. The Halo series is the most overrated and over-hyped game series going, with the Metroid Prime series coming in a close second...*Prepares for a beating from crazed Metroid fans*

Metroid Prime was awesome, but Echoes was very disappointing. Normally I enjoy backtracking in a Metroid game (Super Metroid is the best video game ever made), but Echoes' backtracking was just a chore. Going to the dark world just to get over 2 rooms to reenter the light world while having to fight ghost pirates on the way every time was just bOOOOOOOOOOring.

[ADC]

And in the case of Metroid Prime, I just really didn't like it personally, which was dissapointing to me big time being a huge fan of the earlier Metroid games. But my opinion is in the minority here on both counts.
I concur with this to a point. I don't really care for the first-person perspective, especially since they made Samus look pretty awesome in 3D when you can see her, but I can live with it. What's always bothered me was the way they map FPS controls to console controllers, which feel clunky and retarded even on keyboards but really suck on a Wavebird. I think that the Metroid Prime 3 control scheme using the Wii Remote will improve this 10-fold, so I'm definitely willing to give it a try …

… but I still hope that they take note of Megaman ZX and the Castlevanias on the DS and revive the Metroid Dread project. Not to say that 2D is better, necessarily, but it certainly has its place.

[quenelf]

It isn't usually possible to provide those 'big name' titles for launch, because that kind of huge, mega-budget major release takes a very long time to develop and dev kits don't come out that early. That's why launch games are rarely any good. Nintendo had Zelda only because it had been in development for years for GC, and Wii is basically the same technically. So the lack of major launch games, especially from third parties, isn't really something the manufacturers will be able to resolve next time around.

As for cross-platform games either not coming to Wii, or not being as good there, I agree. But it's not quite as bleak a picture - games that are converted with proper care could add at least some interest with the controller, and more significantly I'd expect to see Wii get specially-developed spinoff titles based on the major franchises, at least from Japanese developers. (For a couple of probably-bad examples, see the Wii Resident Evil and Dragon Quest Swords; I imagine there will be some probably-good ones later on, in the same way that Square are making Final Fantasy games on both portable systems.)

So the hardcore gamers you mention would likely want a Wii in addition to either a PS3 or X360 (which will share most of the same games). Of course, the really hardcore will have all three. :) But I think a lot more people will get a Wii and a PS3, or a Wii and an X360, than will get a PS3 and an X360. This should help Nintendo's install base among hardcore gamers, and ensure at least a small selection of corresponding games.

--quen

[rainking187]

Agreed. The Halo series is the most overrated and over-hyped game series going, with the Metroid Prime series coming in a close second...*Prepares for a beating from crazed Metroid fans*

Certainly, because there is no hype at all for Final Fantasy or Mario. Just Halo and Metroid.

But Mario games never disappoint.

[cheezisgoooood]

Agreed. The Halo series is the most overrated and over-hyped game series going, with the Metroid Prime series coming in a close second...*Prepares for a beating from crazed Metroid fans*

Certainly, because there is no hype at all for Final Fantasy or Mario. Just Halo and Metroid.

But Mario games never disappoint.
A little game called Super Mario Sunshine comes to mind...

[Azumangaman]

Agreed. The Halo series is the most overrated and over-hyped game series going, with the Metroid Prime series coming in a close second...*Prepares for a beating from crazed Metroid fans*

Certainly, because there is no hype at all for Final Fantasy or Mario. Just Halo and Metroid.

But Mario games never disappoint.
A little game called Super Mario Sunshine comes to mind...

That game wasn't that bad...
Can't say it was too good either :D

[GHardin]

Agreed. The Halo series is the most overrated and over-hyped game series going, with the Metroid Prime series coming in a close second...*Prepares for a beating from crazed Metroid fans*

Certainly, because there is no hype at all for Final Fantasy or Mario. Just Halo and Metroid.

But Mario games never disappoint.
A little game called Super Mario Sunshine comes to mind...

At least the game wasn't terrible by any means.

Too bad Sonic never gets such a break...I haven't seen a good Sonic game since Adventure...(Adventure 2 in some instances; I never played Rush, so I'm not including that one. :tired: )

[beatmania]

Was In Japan over New Year and saw in 1 store that the 20 gig system was already discounted to 47000 yen.

Not looking good for Sony.

[Buster Darkwings]

What part of Japan? It sells out constantly at large electronics stores in major cities, like the Akihabara Yodobashi Camera. I'd wager it's doing better in Japan than the US, where the 360 has a bigger market share.

[beatmania]

Tokyo, a small shop near my friend's place along one of the station of the odakyusen.
Didn't seem to be a shortage of systems in Akihabara too, went there on the 31st. Saw a lot of 完売しました signs for the Wii though。

[Buster Darkwings]

Must've been a collector shop selling them secondhand, as that's the only type of place in Tokyo I've seen PS3s.

[beatmania]

Nope, brand new 20 gig for 47000 yen.

[Magus427]

Nope, brand new 20 gig for 47000 yen.

I'll have Kotaku (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/those-ps3s-sales-look-sluggish-in-japan-225907.php) help you out. They've linked to a couple articles on Japanese sites and have provided pics of PS3 being in-stock at a few locations.

So yes, PS3s are available in Japan, just like they are here. You've been able to buy the PS3 online at Best Buy (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=999965800050007&st=Playstation+3&type=product&id=pcmprd65900050007) since yesterday.

-Magus

[HitokiriShadow]

I saw two PS3s sitting on the "New Stuff" table at Best Buy next to a bunch of DVDs. Which is one more than I saw several days before. At this point, finding a PS3 probably won't be too difficult.

[Buster Darkwings]

I went to Akihabara last night, and I couldn't find a single retail store with either version in stock. It was probably just a large shipment that had been produced for the New Year's holiday shopping.

[Buster Darkwings]

I went again on my lunch break since I had to return some rental DVDs/CDs. Saw a couple stores that had gotten in stock, but collector shops are still offering about 90% of the retail price for buy-backs (which is about what you'd pay after the 10% store credit you get when you buy at places like Yodobashi Camera) of new/like-new PS3s, which means that they don't expect the PS3s to be readily available for very long since they predict they will still be able to sell them for profit at retail or above retail prices.

So yeah, I don't really care that much either way since I'm more of an oldskool 2D gamer, but I wouldn't expect Sony to start doing poorly in Japan anytime soon.

[stfram]

You've been able to buy the PS3 online at Best Buy (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=999965800050007&st=Playstation+3&type=product&id=pcmprd65900050007) since yesterday.


The link page says they're sold out, now.

Went to my local BB a couple days back..no PS3's in stock. Not really that much of a surprise.

Also, the huge pile of non-NFSU bundled 360s was also completely gone, along with most of the pile of bundled ones (maybe 10 left).

THAT surprised me.

[Fieri]

You've been able to buy the PS3 online at Best Buy (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=999965800050007&st=Playstation+3&type=product&id=pcmprd65900050007) since yesterday.


The link page says they're sold out, now.

Went to my local BB a couple days back..no PS3's in stock. Not really that much of a surprise.

Also, the huge pile of non-NFSU bundled 360s was also completely gone, along with most of the pile of bundled ones (maybe 10 left).

THAT surprised me.


Looks like the PS3's are in stock. ;)

[FigNewton]

The Target by my house was fully stocked (ie, all space alloted in the cabinet was full) when I went by again today. This marks the 5th day in a row that I've looked and they still had some. At first I thought the availability was a bit of a fluke, but at this point I'd say PS3 scarcity has ended.

[stfram]

Looks like the PS3's are in stock. ;)


All gone again...and that was days ago.

What's intersting is tha I checked the BB site, and could not find the 20gb system. Looks like they only stock the 60gb online.

Makes me wonder about the future of the 20gb system.

[Fieri]

Looks like the PS3's are in stock. ;)


All gone again...and that was days ago.

What's intersting is tha I checked the BB site, and could not find the 20gb system. Looks like they only stock the 60gb online.

Makes me wonder about the future of the 20gb system.


I never understood why Sony even bothered with the 20gig version at launch. Those could have been introduced a couple of months later.

[Swordfish_II]

I was at Best Buy last night and they had two 60GB.

I didn't even see a spot for the 20.

[Zanza Hiro]

hey guys, quick question

for people that got given PS3 as gift for xmas, what do they do if the unit doesn't work or breaks down? i ask only cuz my good friend here in Canada is being sent a brand new PS3 60GB for his birthday later this month, and he is wondering what happens if the unit doesn't turn on/work. will Sony sent him a replacement or will they ask for a receipt? thx guys

[Sensuifu]

hey guys, quick question

for people that got given PS3 as gift for xmas, what do they do if the unit doesn't work or breaks down? i ask only cuz my good friend here in Canada is being sent a brand new PS3 60GB for his birthday later this month, and he is wondering what happens if the unit doesn't turn on/work. will Sony sent him a replacement or will they ask for a receipt? thx guys

Having the receipt or gift receipt could be useful, but from experience and afaik Sony doesn't require it. As long as you've registered your product (ser#, etc.) the unit is covered under the basic warranty.

I've done repairs/replacement with Sony with no problems, but that was a while ago, don't know if anything has change since then. Never hurts to try though. Your friend may only need to fill out a service ticket/RMA online and pay to ship the unit for repair. You can also take it to a Sony service center if there's one in your area.

[lostnomad84]

I went to Akihabara last night, and I couldn't find a single retail store with either version in stock. It was probably just a large shipment that had been produced for the New Year's holiday shopping.

I've been going all around Tokyo for the last week and every store I've visted had PS3's in abundances. The Wii has been very hard to come by, same with the DS. If either are found, they are nearly double in price.

[Buster Darkwings]

Yeah, I noted as much in the post after the one you quoted. They've restocked by now, but the stores in Akihabara I visited after the New Year holidays were over were sold out again.

[fantasydewdrop]

I was at Best Buy on Friday night and they had a few PS3 60 gigs on the shelf. ... But a few feet to the left, they had a HUGE stack on the floor. XD Taller than me. I just had to point and laugh.

[Magus427]

I was at Best Buy on Friday night and they had a few PS3 60 gigs on the shelf. ... But a few feet to the left, they had a HUGE stack on the floor. XD Taller than me. I just had to point and laugh.

I was at a Best Buy Saturday night and basically saw the same thing myself. The stack of PS3s (all 60GB systems) were about as tall as me. It looks like the stack of premium 360s was picked over though with everyone looking for the game they wanted packed in with the system. It was at least half the size of the PS3 stack.

-Magus

[Zanza Hiro]

hmmm, you guys are really lucky. Futureshop.ca and Bestbuy.ca are both still out of stock, and every store i've been to in Vancouver never has any Wii's or PS3's in stock

with Jan 17th rapidly approaching, i am amazed that almost 2 months after launch, PS3's are still so tough to find in a city as big as Vancouver. not a single console to be found in the entire city

that said, craiglist vancouver is full of people trying to sell theirs. some great deals to be had, PS3 60GB with Resistance and Ridge Racer 7 for $650CDN O.O

[Chacranajxy]

My Best Buy had a few PS3's when I was there a couple days ago... I would've picked one up, but I checked the games they had... nothing but shitty sports games and that shitty Sony RPG (Norrath something.) If they'd had Ridge Racer 7, I would've bought the system, but I couldn't throw down $600 and leave with nothing to actually play on the damn thing.

[Johnny]

My Best Buy had a few PS3's when I was there a couple days ago... I would've picked one up, but I checked the games they had... nothing but shitty sports games and that shitty Sony RPG (Norrath something.) If they'd had Ridge Racer 7, I would've bought the system, but I couldn't throw down $600 and leave with nothing to actually play on the damn thing.

You're picking one up in the near future, right? I mean surely you can't resist once VF5 comes out?
Plus, I need to to get Ridge 7 as we need to have some online battles. There's even the option for teaming up so I'm sure we could come up with an all-conquering drift team ;)

And while we're talking PS3, any of you in NA going to be buying Motorstorm when it's released? I'm hoping the online patch for the JP version is released around the same time as we need some AoD Motorstorm online carnage!

[Zanza Hiro]

yessssssssssssssssssssssss

johnny, i finally got a PS3 today!!! man, 2 months later, hurray hurray!!!

got resistance and RR7 as well as some BluRay movies this morning. man, sooooo happy!!!

[Johnny]

yessssssssssssssssssssssss

johnny, i finally got a PS3 today!!! man, 2 months later, hurray hurray!!!

got resistance and RR7 as well as some BluRay movies this morning. man, sooooo happy!!!

Good job! Get your username added to the PS3 thread :)

[Magus427]

You're picking one up in the near future, right? I mean surely you can't resist once VF5 comes out?

Um, VF5 is also coming to the XBox 360...and I think most people would wait a couple months to save $200 or so... < :)

-Magus

[Mark]

hmmm, you guys are really lucky. Futureshop.ca and Bestbuy.ca are both still out of stock, and every store i've been to in Vancouver never has any Wii's or PS3's in stock

I haven't seen any PS3's around where I live, but Wii's come in in pretty regular supply. Sometimes, you just have to ask someone at the store because they haven't realized that their shelves had been emptied out.

[ZenAmako]

If you just got a PS3 and want to stock up on some Blu-Ray movies, Best Buy is having a "buy 1, get 1 free" sale on select Blu-Ray titles. That's a hot deal! The movies included in the promotion are:

Underworld: Evolution
Kung Fu Hustle
House of Flying Daggers
Monster House
Black Hawk Down
Click
Talladega Nights

Okay, so they're not all cinematic masterpieces, but for $12.50 or $15 each, it's a great deal.

[GyBaNO]

You're picking one up in the near future, right? I mean surely you can't resist once VF5 comes out?

Um, VF5 is also coming to the XBox 360...and I think most people would wait a couple months to save $200 or so... < :)

-Magus

QFMFT!

;)

[Johnny]

You're picking one up in the near future, right? I mean surely you can't resist once VF5 comes out?

Um, VF5 is also coming to the XBox 360...and I think most people would wait a couple months to save $200 or so... < :)

-Magus

QFMFT!

;)


Lindbergh is based around the PS3 so I can't see the 360 version being any better than the PS3 version.
Plus, what idiot wants to wait months (released date for the 360 version hasn't been confirmed yet) for the game? It's not like there's nothing else out now/coming out in the next month or so on the PS3 either, so the $200 is a small matter.

[Chacranajxy]

You're picking one up in the near future, right? I mean surely you can't resist once VF5 comes out?

Um, VF5 is also coming to the XBox 360...and I think most people would wait a couple months to save $200 or so... < :)

-Magus

QFMFT!

;)


Lindbergh is based around the PS3 so I can't see the 360 version being any better than the PS3 version.
Plus, what idiot wants to wait months (released date for the 360 version hasn't been confirmed yet) for the game? It's not like there's nothing else out now/coming out in the next month or so on the PS3 either, so the $200 is a small matter.

Yeah, I'm not quite sure I want to wait for the 360 version... especially since there's no guarantee that the graphics will match the PS3 version.

[Ty]

Congrats Zanza! While there are still no PS3 games I care about on shelves I'm excited about 1080p Blu-Ray movie goodness. You've got the tv hardware to make it shine too. :)

[GHardin]

Plus, what idiot wants to wait months (released date for the 360 version hasn't been confirmed yet) for the game? It's not like there's nothing else out now/coming out in the next month or so on the PS3 either, so the $200 is a small matter.

*Raises hand*
I don't have $600 to spend, so even a half year wouldn't bother me as much. That, and Mom threatened to become "unglued" as she put it if I dare... :D

As long as the game doesn't look like it was half-assed, I don't think there would be much in the way of complaints...

(I can't complain about free rent, so I'm not about to go up against the rules of the house...I was pushing my luck with the Wii as it was. :P )

[Chacranajxy]

Plus, what idiot wants to wait months (released date for the 360 version hasn't been confirmed yet) for the game? It's not like there's nothing else out now/coming out in the next month or so on the PS3 either, so the $200 is a small matter.

*Raises hand*
I don't have $600 to spend, so even a half year wouldn't bother me as much. That, and Mom threatened to become "unglued" as she put it if I dare... :D

As long as the game doesn't look like it was half-assed, I don't think there would be much in the way of complaints...

(I can't complain about free rent, so I'm not about to go up against the rules of the house...I was pushing my luck with the Wii as it was. :P )

Wuss. Until the credit card company owns your soul, you're out of our secret club.



Errr... I don' even have a credit card though. I manage as a college student who stays out of debt even without a job and with ri-donkulous spending. Trade secret.

[GHardin]

Wuss. Until the credit card company owns your soul, you're out of our secret club.

Errr... I don' even have a credit card though. I manage as a college student who stays out of debt even without a job and with ri-donkulous spending. Trade secret.


Well, I can only go so far on an empty account with no checks that was used for school. I try not to trade my best games (failed on several attempts, succeeded mostly) when really strapped. I can't use the college student excuse anymore...alas, the downfalls of graduating. :tired:

[GyBaNO]

Lindbergh is based around the PS3 so I can't see the 360 version being any better than the PS3 version.
Plus, what idiot wants to wait months (released date for the 360 version hasn't been confirmed yet) for the game? It's not like there's nothing else out now/coming out in the next month or so on the PS3 either, so the $200 is a small matter.

You guys are seriously trying to hard on this shit. The PS3 isn't leaps and bounds better than the 360 in the graphics dept. Give me a damn break. Its getting old.

Yes, I rather wait a couple extra months for a fighting game because I have other games to occupy my time until then. Also, Virtua Fighter isn't worth $600 to me, no game is.

Until the PS3 stops losing supposed exclusives (I always thought the idea of third party exclusives was a retarded practice anyway so I'm glad this trend is getting bucked as of late) to a console I already own, then I have virtually no reason to pick one up at this point and time.

I also liked how you'd label someone an idiot for choosing not to buy a game for a console that he/she doesn't own (or chooses not to own). That's rich, man. Funds spent on gaming might not be a problem for you (not that I have a problem with it, more power to you, bro), but I'll be damned if someone gets judged as a result of yours or anyone else's buying habits. That shit will never fly with me.

You guys have any other weak arguments to send my way are or we done with this retarded shit?

[ADC]

Hey, on a tangent from the retarded shit, I was wondering how the PS3 is as a BD/DVD player. It looks like my PS2, which is a mediocre player in its own right, is starting down the path to ruin, and I know I'll eventually pick up a PS3 anyway, so …

[GyBaNO]

Hey, on a tangent from the retarded shit, I was wondering how the PS3 is as a BD/DVD player. It looks like my PS2, which is a mediocre player in its own right, is starting down the path to ruin, and I know I'll eventually pick up a PS3 anyway, so …

You can't go wrong with it IMO. I tested some of my DVDs on a buddy's PS3 and they looked pretty damn good (as they should). Never got a chance to view a BD yet though. :(

[Rhodes]

If you look at the PURE HW specs of both consoles... then yeah the PS3 is better than the 360.

Problem is no one out there is making any games that pushes either consoles to it's limits.

Give it 3 to 4 years time then compare em.

Till then yeah they are both about the same in gaming... but the PS3 has a built in BR player that can output 1080p out of box.

Wont be able to do that on a 360 till they add in a HDMI connection on the next version and plug in your HD-DVD add-on.

[Johnny]

Lindbergh is based around the PS3 so I can't see the 360 version being any better than the PS3 version.
Plus, what idiot wants to wait months (released date for the 360 version hasn't been confirmed yet) for the game? It's not like there's nothing else out now/coming out in the next month or so on the PS3 either, so the $200 is a small matter.

You guys are seriously trying to hard on this shit. The PS3 isn't leaps and bounds better than the 360 in the graphics dept. Give me a damn break. Its getting old.

Yes, I rather wait a couple extra months for a fighting game because I have other games to occupy my time until then. Also, Virtua Fighter isn't worth $600 to me, no game is.

Until the PS3 stops losing supposed exclusives (I always thought the idea of third party exclusives was a retarded practice anyway so I'm glad this trend is getting bucked as of late) to a console I already own, then I have virtually no reason to pick one up at this point and time.

I also liked how you'd label someone an idiot for choosing not to buy a game for a console that he/she doesn't own (or chooses not to own). That's rich, man. Funds spent on gaming might not be a problem for you (not that I have a problem with it, more power to you, bro), but I'll be damned if someone gets judged as a result of yours or anyone else's buying habits. That shit will never fly with me.

You guys have any other weak arguments to send my way are or we done with this retarded shit?



I'm just trying to give a fresh perspective on the anti-Sony stuff. It's not meant to be intended towards you in any negative manner but I'm just generalising.
In retrospect, yes, what I typed was fairly stupid and very spur of the moment so I apologise if I came across as arrogant.

If you or anyone else wants to wait for VF5 and/or not buy a PS3 then cool. It has fuck all to do with me. I was just making the point that some people prefer early versions of the game and IMO it would be worth buying a PS3 to get VF5 a few months early.

[Ty]

Hey, on a tangent from the retarded shit, I was wondering how the PS3 is as a BD/DVD player. It looks like my PS2, which is a mediocre player in its own right, is starting down the path to ruin, and I know I'll eventually pick up a PS3 anyway, so …
Sound and Vision magazine was positively gushing in their review of it's BD playback capabilities. As a side effect of having the Cell underhood it's by far the most responsive hidef player on the market for loading times and menu responsiveness.

[Magus427]

I'm just trying to give a fresh perspective on the anti-Sony stuff. It's not meant to be intended towards you in any negative manner but I'm just generalising.
In retrospect, yes, what I typed was fairly stupid and very spur of the moment so I apologise if I came across as arrogant.

If you or anyone else wants to wait for VF5 and/or not buy a PS3 then cool. It has fuck all to do with me. I was just making the point that some people prefer early versions of the game and IMO it would be worth buying a PS3 to get VF5 a few months early.

That's the thing though, you can't be taking everything as Anti-Sony. I just stated VF5 was coming to the 360 as well. If I owned a 360, would I run out to buy a PS3 just to play VF5 or wait for the 360 version which will eventually come out and play other stuff until then? Maybe I'm on the fence about owning either system? Do I have $700 (U.S.) to drop on the system and a game? I don't know many people that do. Hell, that's more than I pay in rent every month.

I probably own around 200 games or so between the NES, SNES, N64, PSX, DC, PS2, DS, and Wii (used to have Genesis and TGFX16, but sold both systems and their games awhile ago). Many people consider me to be hardcore into gaming. I don't know if owning all those systems means I'm hardcore, but I do admit to being more than casual.

Just keep things in perspective and don't refer to people as "idiots" for waiting to drop a large amount of money just to play one game. Not everyone has money to burn like you do Johnny and some of us do have to be cost concious. And frankly, if anyone calls me hardcore, from now on I'm referring them to you. :P

-Magus

[Johnny]

I'm just trying to give a fresh perspective on the anti-Sony stuff. It's not meant to be intended towards you in any negative manner but I'm just generalising.
In retrospect, yes, what I typed was fairly stupid and very spur of the moment so I apologise if I came across as arrogant.

If you or anyone else wants to wait for VF5 and/or not buy a PS3 then cool. It has fuck all to do with me. I was just making the point that some people prefer early versions of the game and IMO it would be worth buying a PS3 to get VF5 a few months early.

That's the thing though, you can't be taking everything as Anti-Sony.

Well, that's true I guess. I guess I'm just fatigued by GameFAQS and the like :sigh:

I just stated VF5 was coming to the 360 as well. If I owned a 360, would I run out to buy a PS3 just to play VF5 or wait for the 360 version which will eventually come out and play other stuff until then? Maybe I'm on the fence about owning either system? Do I have $700 (U.S.) to drop on the system and a game? I don't know many people that do. Hell, that's more than I pay in rent every month.

I think what has happened is that my original post has been taken out of context and therefore I have taken replies out of context too.
My first post was in response to Chacrana who I know has a 360 and is planning on buying a PS3 at some point (plus I want to kick his ass in Ridge 7 so I want him online ASAP!) and I was saying that I didn't think he could wait for VF5 to hit the 360 as from what I can tell he is highly anticipating the game too.


Just keep things in perspective and don't refer to people as "idiots" for waiting to drop a large amount of money just to play one game. Not everyone has money to burn like you do Johnny and some of us do have to be cost concious. And frankly, if anyone calls me hardcore, from now on I'm referring them to you. :P


To be honest though, I don't really have the money to burn. I'm still paying off a fucking huge credit credit card bill from November (a PS3, 2 Wii's and games seriously gets expensive :( You should see the embarassingly low amount of games I've bought this month) as there's no way I would have the £3000+ I spent in my bank account at the one time.

[Zanza Hiro]

Congrats Zanza! While there are still no PS3 games I care about on shelves I'm excited about 1080p Blu-Ray movie goodness. You've got the tv hardware to make it shine too. :)
heh, thx X!!!

the sammy in my bedroom is natively 720p, so looks like i won't fully be able to enjoy BluRay or HDDVD yet. currently saving up for a 52" XBR3, still a long ways off tho. i wish i had a real job like you guys :(

[GyBaNO]

[quote=GyBaNO]
I'm just trying to give a fresh perspective on the anti-Sony stuff. It's not meant to be intended towards you in any negative manner but I'm just generalising.
In retrospect, yes, what I typed was fairly stupid and very spur of the moment so I apologise if I came across as arrogant.

If you or anyone else wants to wait for VF5 and/or not buy a PS3 then cool. It has fuck all to do with me. I was just making the point that some people prefer early versions of the game and IMO it would be worth buying a PS3 to get VF5 a few months early.

Thank you, Johnny. I understood your point too its just that the idiot thing kinda angered me. :)

And yes, I am still getting a PS3 in a couple years still. I didn't get the PS2 until late-2003 so I'll let you do the math here. :P

[Ty]

Congrats Zanza! While there are still no PS3 games I care about on shelves I'm excited about 1080p Blu-Ray movie goodness. You've got the tv hardware to make it shine too. :)
heh, thx X!!!

the sammy in my bedroom is natively 720p, so looks like i won't fully be able to enjoy BluRay or HDDVD yet. currently saving up for a 52" XBR3, still a long ways off tho. i wish i had a real job like you guys :(
Ha! I barely have a real job. It's not unenjoyable work but it barely pays better than my Walmart days. Reminder folks: finish college! That's why I don't own my own fancy tv yet. My surround sound stuff was a big hurrah I did 6 years ago and I blew all my savings on it because quite frankly I was a little crazed that year and sick of the status quo in my life.

Somehow not having a real job isn't keep you from having nice things, but so long as you never take that for grated it's a good thing and not a bad thing. Just having fun is what matters. :)

[stfram]

I manage as a college student who stays out of debt even without a job and with ri-donkulous spending. Trade secret.


*speaking in a serious, Dan Ackroyd, voice*

"I'm Chacranajxy - Male Prostitute."

[Fieri]

Congrats Zanza! While there are still no PS3 games I care about on shelves I'm excited about 1080p Blu-Ray movie goodness. You've got the tv hardware to make it shine too. :)
heh, thx X!!!

the sammy in my bedroom is natively 720p, so looks like i won't fully be able to enjoy BluRay or HDDVD yet. currently saving up for a 52" XBR3, still a long ways off tho. i wish i had a real job like you guys :(


Um... some people with real jobs can't afford what you have though. ;)

[Chacranajxy]

(plus I want to kick his ass in Ridge 7 so I want him online ASAP!)

Unfortunately, I'm better than you. :P

Mid march. That's lookin' like the time. I've got Spring Break then and I'm out for the summer less than a month after that... so that seems like the right time to nab a PS3. Surround sound and new computer montor coming in April. Should be an expensive spring.

[Sensuifu]

Hey, on a tangent from the retarded shit, I was wondering how the PS3 is as a BD/DVD player. It looks like my PS2, which is a mediocre player in its own right, is starting down the path to ruin, and I know I'll eventually pick up a PS3 anyway, so …

As a player, the PS3 does a nice job handling video, only for BD though. You'll be disappointed with DVD playback, especially if you've been spoiled by better PQ from a standalone like the Oppo. Amusingly, pq on my old Panny DVD player via S-video (480i) looks better than it does on the PS3 via HDMI(480p). Though I suppose since my set is native 1080p, the built-in de-interlacer does a better job at handling video than the PS3 does for SD sources. For BD, yes the PS3 is a decent player. For DVD, you're better off with one of those generic players you find at your grocery store.