Is Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion single player or a MMORPG?

[Invisible Crane]

I've decided I really want to get this game, but I need to know if it's one of those 2 types of genres since I don't play MMORPGs

[cracker]

It is single player.

[Invisible Crane]

It is single player.

Thanks, they never really made it clear if it was to begin with

[indigo0086]

It is single player.

Thanks, they never really made it clear if it was to begin with

Every elder scrolls game has been single player.

[Azumangaman]

It's good right? My local Futureshop had it on sale for 29.99 so I made somebody buy it for me as a present. (its a family thing).

Is it good?

[Super Saiyajin Joshua]

It's great but you need a prett butch computer to play it.

[Chacranajxy]

It's good right? My local Futureshop had it on sale for 29.99 so I made somebody buy it for me as a present. (its a family thing).

Is it good?

It's an excellent game, and this is coming from somebody who usually calls these types of games "retarded" or "trash."

[Gersen]

It's good right? My local Futureshop had it on sale for 29.99 so I made somebody buy it for me as a present. (its a family thing).

Is it good?

I will say average. There are very good things and some very bad ones.

The good :

The world is huge and you are free to go nearly anywhere and do nearly anything, you can spends hours and hours just exploring the world without carring at all about the main quest. And the game looks pretty good, even better if you apply some fan made mod.

Now the bad :

It's full of bugs, but then again an elderscrolls game withouts billions of bugs wouldn't be a true elderscrolls game :) and you need a very powerfull computer to play it correctly.

But the worst about it, IMHO, is the gameplay, especially the levelling system.

Something very silly for a RPG : Levelling up IS a punishment.

Monsters grow stronger as you level up, a lot stronger, sometime ridiculously stronger, as a result if a monster kicked your butt when you were level 5, it will vaporize you with a single sight when you reach level 10 :) (Yes I exagerate a little, but not by much). And let's not talk about any standard lowlife bandit you meet in the woods that will end up wearing uber-expensive and uber-powerfull magic armors and weapons.

So the game is a lot easier at low level, it's easier to kill a "boss" if you are level 1 with a crappy weapon, than it's is at a higher level with magical weapons and armor. Especially as it's possible to improve you skills without levelling up. If you want to play a mage or a thief characters... create a warrior, as long as you are not using "warrior" skills you won't level up, but your magic/thief skills will improve and so you will become very powerfull with the monsters remaining very weak :).

P.S. It's been a long time since I last play the game, so maybe thare are some patchs that manage to improved the gameplay.

Gersen

[Invisible Crane]

It's good right? My local Futureshop had it on sale for 29.99 so I made somebody buy it for me as a present. (its a family thing).

Is it good?

I will say average. There are very good things and some very bad ones.

The good :

The world is huge and you are free to go nearly anywhere and do nearly anything, you can spends hours and hours just exploring the world without carring at all about the main quest. And the game looks pretty good, even better if you apply some fan made mod.

Now the bad :

It's full of bugs, but then again an elderscrolls game withouts billions of bugs wouldn't be a true elderscrolls game :) and you need a very powerfull computer to play it correctly.

But the worst about it, IMHO, is the gameplay, especially the levelling system.

Something very silly for a RPG : Levelling up IS a punishment.

Monsters grow stronger as you level up, a lot stronger, sometime ridiculously stronger, as a result if a monster kicked your butt when you were level 5, it will vaporize with a single sight when you reach level 10 :) (Yes I exagerate a little, but not much). And let's not talk about any standard lowlife bandit you meet in the woods that end up wearing uber-expensive and uber-powerfull magic armors and weapons.

As a result the game is a lot easier at low level, it's easier to kill a "boss" if you are level 1 with a crappy weapon, than it's is at a higher level with magical weapons and armor.

P.S. It's been a long time since I last play the game, so maybe thare are some patchs that manage to improved the gameplay.

Gersen

What about the console version

[Gersen]

What about the console version


Never played the console version, but from what I heard, gameplay wise it's exactly the same than the PC version, but without the fan-made mods or official patchs/add-on improving the game.

IMHO If you have a powerfull enough computer, get the PC version.

Gersen

[Chacranajxy]

What about the console version


Never played the console version, but from what I heard, gameplay wise it's exactly the same than the PC version, but without the fan-made mods or official patchs/add-on improving the game.

IMHO If you have a powerfull enough computer, get the PC version.

Gersen

The PC version is clearly better if you have the power to run it well. The 360 version is adequate, but the load times kinda suck and the graphics aren't as good. The frame rate is locked at 30FPS or something which sucks if you're used to the frame rate on a good PC.

[Soulblazer]

You just have to be careful how you level your character up in order for it not to make the game harder. There are many FAQS around that explain how to do this so I am not going to explain it here. I believe there is also a PC mod that changes how the leveling works also.

[RabidCoqui]

You just have to be careful how you level your character up in order for it not to make the game harder. There are many FAQS around that explain how to do this so I am not going to explain it here. I believe there is also a PC mod that changes how the leveling works also.


There's quite a few mods that change the way leveling works... problem is finding one that you like... at least that's the problem for me. I've only leveled my character up to 13 since I haven't been doing the main quest... once I start back on the main quest I'll probably level him up some more. Personally, I try to hold of on leveling until I have the best gear I can get at the time... as you level up the enemies you face will be outfitted with better gear. I've found that the easiest way to play is to have high sneak and be handy with the bow... so far only fast moving enemies give me trouble and force me to use my sword or magic. BTW, it's easy to not level you're character... just don't sleep. You can't level up if you don't have your character sleep and there is no impact on your character if they don't sleep.

The game might have some issues but I find it highly entertaining.

[bremmi]

Really good game. If you have a good computer, skip th 360 version. It's just too much for the 360 hardware to handle. However, even if you had no computer it would be worth getting the 360 version because the game is worth the load times.

- bremmi

[indigo0086]

The visuals are the same, check any online review and they'll tell you that. The pc version has the benefit of allowing a higher resolution, but you still get the same visual eye candy for both. It's not "too much" for a 360 to handle, the developers have reiterated this several times, please stop making BS and jelly sandwiches.

[CrazyAsano]

The visuals are the same, check any online review and they'll tell you that. The pc version has the benefit of allowing a higher resolution, but you still get the same visual eye candy for both. It's not "too much" for a 360 to handle, the developers have reiterated this several times, please stop making BS and jelly sandwiches.
Please explain to me how higher resolutions equate to "the same visual eye candy" so I can throw out this stupid 720p/1080i projector and go back to my beloved old 480i television.

[indigo0086]

The same visual capabilities are there, lighting and shading effects are the same, framerate is generally the same (could be faster or slower on the pc depending on how fast your computer is), but as far as the visuals go, on the pc you'll at most get sharper visuals and textures, but it's no dramatic loss. It really isn't. I'm playing it in 720p on the 360 and the pc version isn't a huge leap as you would assume. Check early reviews and interviews. www.gamerankings.com.

[Gersen]

The same visual capabilities are there, lighting and shading effects are the same, framerate is generally the same (could be faster or slower on the pc depending on how fast your computer is), but as far as the visuals go, on the pc you'll at most get sharper visuals and textures, but it's no dramatic loss. It really isn't.

The huge advantage of the PC version is the numerous mods that allow you to greatly improve the game graphics, better looking watter, better looking texture and most important better looking characters.

While not as butt-ugly as the Morrowind ones, the characters in Oblivion still looks like they suffered from multiples generation of severe inbreeding :)

Gersen

[indigo0086]

That's great if you're into mods, I personally am not a pc gamer, Imay play a few but I invest most my time and money gaming-wise in consoles, so I don't "miss" mods as some do. The system is powerful enough compared to the pc version that at the same resolution settings and all visual settings maxed, you get the same game. And that's what I'm trying to keep people believing otherwise.

And yes, the women do look very...medieval.

[CrazyAsano]

And yes, the women do look very...medieval.
Mmm. Weathered, malnourished, spiritually beaten down and disease-ravaged women are so hot.

[Merr]

And yes, the women do look very...medieval.
Mmm. Weathered, malnourished, spiritually beaten down and disease-ravaged women are so hot.
Unfortunately, the women in Oblivion look more like well-fed men posing in drag.

[Chacranajxy]

And yes, the women do look very...medieval.
Mmm. Weathered, malnourished, spiritually beaten down and disease-ravaged women are so hot.
Unfortunately, the women in Oblivion look more like well-fed men posing in drag.

Thankfully, you can still kill a girl, take her clothes off, and punch her in the tits.

[CrazyAsano]

And yes, the women do look very...medieval.
Mmm. Weathered, malnourished, spiritually beaten down and disease-ravaged women are so hot.
Unfortunately, the women in Oblivion look more like well-fed men posing in drag.

Thankfully, you can still kill a girl, take her clothes off, and punch her in the tits.
Which I believe they stated is the reason they put the havok physics in. It's even one of the features listed on the back cover, with an accompanying screenshot.

[bremmi]

The visuals are the same, check any online review and they'll tell you that. The pc version has the benefit of allowing a higher resolution, but you still get the same visual eye candy for both. It's not "too much" for a 360 to handle, the developers have reiterated this several times, please stop making BS and jelly sandwiches.

Either you've never played the 360 version, or you have a slow ass PC if you think the 360 version is just as fast as the PC version. I didn't say anything about how graphics look, I just said that it's too slow on the 360. If you like super long load times, then the 360 is the way to go.

bremmi

[indigo0086]

I have the 360 version, it doesn't have "super long" load times, and it's not slow. Sorry, I've seen both in action. I know you want to hear something different, so I'll amuse you.

PCs are not built, but planted in and grown from gods green earth. It's programmed in flowers and god-tongue.

[Soulblazer]

The PC version has the ability to go to a higher resolution and can have better looking graphics in you have a good enough rig. The drawback is that you really need a high end PC to get this performance and this is a lot more expensive than the 360. To be honest though I think the 360 graphics are good enough. However, the PC version also has the ability to use many cool PC mods. Therefore, it is better to get the PC version of this game.

[Chacranajxy]

The visuals are the same, check any online review and they'll tell you that. The pc version has the benefit of allowing a higher resolution, but you still get the same visual eye candy for both. It's not "too much" for a 360 to handle, the developers have reiterated this several times, please stop making BS and jelly sandwiches.

Either you've never played the 360 version, or you have a slow ass PC if you think the 360 version is just as fast as the PC version. I didn't say anything about how graphics look, I just said that it's too slow on the 360. If you like super long load times, then the 360 is the way to go.

bremmi

As far as how the graphics look though:

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6147028/p-2.html

[RZetlin]

Elder Scrolls 4 is a single player game.

The game is engaging because there are so many different ways to play in the sandbox world.

Though there are a few aspects I didn't like:

1) Despite the fact you can be evil in the game (Murderer/Thief), the town guards will put the smack down on you.

2) The characters in the game especially the women look ugly as a donkey's behind.

3) There's a lot of skills to learn, but only a few of them will become your major focus because this game is very combat oriented.

4) Bugs. There are random bugs that pops up in this game. I have encountered the jumping bug.

5) It's solo for most of the game. You can 't form up a party to go on your quest.

[Gersen]

1) Despite the fact you can be evil in the game (Murderer/Thief), the town guards will put the smack down on you.

Not to mention that have psychic powers, if you steal something, even if you were at the darkest corner of a dark cellar when you did it, even nobody saw you, even if the object you "steal" belongs to you, they will know you did something wrong and attack you at first sight :)

(But I hear this was corrected in the official patch ? )

Gersen

[GHardin]

1) Despite the fact you can be evil in the game (Murderer/Thief), the town guards will put the smack down on you.

Not to mention that have psychic powers, if you steal something, even if you were at the darkest corner of a dark cellar when you did it, even nobody saw you, even if the object you "steal" belongs to you, they will know you did something wrong and attack you at first sight :)



I thought this was the funniest part of the game, too. :D

I remember looking around myself, seeing no guards around, and I picked my way into a house. I was creeping around upstairs, and all of a sudden, a guard appears and yells I am under arrest! I fought with him and nearly killed him, but I hit A, and he sheathed his sword and warned me...I go downstairs, and I'm under arrest again. :D

[CrazyAsano]

1) Despite the fact you can be evil in the game (Murderer/Thief), the town guards will put the smack down on you.

Not to mention that have psychic powers, if you steal something, even if you were at the darkest corner of a dark cellar when you did it, even nobody saw you, even if the object you "steal" belongs to you, they will know you did something wrong and attack you at first sight :)

(But I hear this was corrected in the official patch ? )

Gersen
Nothing remotely like that ever happened to me.

[RabidCoqui]

1) Despite the fact you can be evil in the game (Murderer/Thief), the town guards will put the smack down on you.

Not to mention that have psychic powers, if you steal something, even if you were at the darkest corner of a dark cellar when you did it, even nobody saw you, even if the object you "steal" belongs to you, they will know you did something wrong and attack you at first sight :)

(But I hear this was corrected in the official patch ? )

Gersen

There are mods that take care of that... I believe the one I settled on was actually called "No Psychic Guards"

[bremmi]

I have the 360 version, it doesn't have "super long" load times, and it's not slow. Sorry, I've seen both in action. I know you want to hear something different, so I'll amuse you.

Unfortunately for you, being an asshole does not give your arguments validity. All I'm saying is that I've seen both in action too, and I think the 360 version loads slower than it does on a fast PC.

They even had to make it known that it's a good idea to clear your cache by holding down A while booting the 360 in order to speed up load times. It's all over the internet, this is an undeniable fact. For me, it worked for a while, but I had to do it every once in a while as the load times grew bigger.

Luckily the game is good enough, as I said, to be worth waiting for.

bremmi

[RabidCoqui]

Unfortunately for you, being an asshole does not give your arguments validity.


Was this really necessary?

[Chacranajxy]

Unfortunately for you, being an asshole does not give your arguments validity.


Was this really necessary?

When someone is a continual nuisance, yes.

[Rhodes]

I know your suppose to level a certain way to get the max benefits since the mobs level along with you...

for the tutorial dungeon... is it best to go thru it getting the least skill ups possible... or should you jump and do everything possible to get the max skill points before you exit this dungeon?

The leveling and tracking of skills is a total pain.

[Gersen]

The leveling and tracking of skills is a total pain.

Actually it's quite easy, the trick is that the monster level up as you level up, so it's simple... don't level up.

You can improve all your skills without ever needing to gain a level.

To level up you need to : Increase your masters skills (depends of your "class", but you can create a "custom" class and manually select the skills you want) and Sleep.

So it's easy not to level up, either never sleep or choose for masters skills, skills you don't plan using.

This way you can easily (well it still take a lot of time ;) ) become a master warrior or mage (or both) while remaining at level 1.

Gersen

[CrazyAsano]

The leveling and tracking of skills is a total pain.

Actually it's quite easy, the trick is that the monster level up as you level up, so it's simple... don't level up.

You can improve all your skills without ever needing to gain a level.

To level up you need to : Increase your masters skills (depends of your "class", but you can create a "custom" class and manually select the skills you want) and Sleep.

So it's easy not to level up, either never sleep or choose for masters skills, skills you don't plan using.

This way you can easily (well it still take a lot of time ;) ) become a master warrior or mage (or both) while remaining at level 1.

Gersen
Your method fails to take into account the fact that the skills you don't pick also train much more slowly.

[Gersen]

Your method fails to take into account the fact that the skills you don't pick also train much more slowly.

I did mention that it take a lot of time ;) But you are of course right, non masters skill increase slower than masters one, but in the end they do increase.

Honestly I don't know what's worse, spending more time increasing them, or spending 90% of the game invisible to avoid being anhilated by the first rabbit you might meet :P . Of course you can always use the "never sleep" trick mentioned by another poster ;)

Gersen

[CrazyAsano]

I'd recommend a mod of some sort. The game was ruined for me by this stupid system, along with every other game that's ever used it. Not only are you penalized for levelling up, but if your character is not combat oriented you're utterly fucked.

It also wrecks immersion for every single opponent in the game to be adjusted based on the player. At level 1, rat in the wilderness? Challenging but not too hard. Level 10, badass Daedra from Oblivion with giant greatswords? Challenging but not too hard. Level 20, rat in the wilderness? Challenging but not too hard. GREAT IDEA.

This is like if Dungeons and Dragons raised the difficulty class of a skill check by one for each skill point put in the skill, and the Armor Class of monsters by one for each point of Base Attack Bonus your character gains.

Guess what? When character advancement is automatically accompanied by a comparable increase in difficulty, the entire concept of character advancement becomes meaningless and pointless. It might as well not even be called a fucking RPG. It's a number incrementing game.

[Rhodes]

but if you dont level up you cant use some of the armor/weapons they drop...

I want to play the game from start to finish within the confines of the game 1st... once done I tend to go back and use hacks/cheats to breeze thru the game... ala Fallout =)

[RabidCoqui]

but if you dont level up you cant use some of the armor/weapons they drop...

I want to play the game from start to finish within the confines of the game 1st... once done I tend to go back and use hacks/cheats to breeze thru the game... ala Fallout =)


You can use any equipment at any level... if you don't level up then the enemy won't have great equipment so you're stuck with pretty much the same equipment they have.

One of my main gripes is that spellcasters seem to have gotten the short end in this game... spells just don't cause that much damage. They can be quite useful but it gets pretty hard when your relying only on spells.

As far as for melee, once you get the hang of it it's not too bad... except if you're outnumbered. If you get outnumbered, chances are the battle might take a while since half of the time you'll probably be staggered from their attacks... this can get frustrating fast.

That's why I believe that a bow while sneaking is the best way to go... most enemies don't even get near me... except those damn mountain lions. Luckily for me that's the way I wanted to play this the first time around anyways.

[CrazyAsano]

but if you dont level up you cant use some of the armor/weapons they drop...

I want to play the game from start to finish within the confines of the game 1st... once done I tend to go back and use hacks/cheats to breeze thru the game... ala Fallout =)


You can use any equipment at any level... if you don't level up then the enemy won't have great equipment so you're stuck with pretty much the same equipment they have.

One of my main gripes is that spellcasters seem to have gotten the short end in this game... spells just don't cause that much damage. They can be quite useful but it gets pretty hard when your relying only on spells.

As far as for melee, once you get the hang of it it's not too bad... except if you're outnumbered. If you get outnumbered, chances are the battle might take a while since half of the time you'll probably be staggered from their attacks... this can get frustrating fast.

That's why I believe that a bow while sneaking is the best way to go... most enemies don't even get near me... except those damn mountain lions. Luckily for me that's the way I wanted to play this the first time around anyways.
My character was a thief and I wanted him to resort to combat as little as possible. I wanted him to use a dagger but that idea was gimped when they made two-handed slashing blades and light stabbing blades the same skill and stat, so my quick stealthy thief had to use a bow to be even marginally effective. But since I wasn't combat-oriented I leveled up mostly with skills not bow and armor-related, and it became impossible to win a fight unless all my hits were sneak attacks. If I was ever detected my only chance was to paralyze my opponents and shoot them while they were lying on the ground. If I tried fighting with my bow without the multiplier I would have to literally shoot something about 30 times to kill it.

[CrazyAsano]

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the internet is an inconvenient place when you're using a laptop while driving.

[Kikaroo]

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the internet is an inconvenient place when you're using a laptop while driving.

Well that's a frightening thought. I hope your "bone pit" is far far away from me! ;)

[CrazyAsano]

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the internet is an inconvenient place when you're using a laptop while driving.

Well that's a frightening thought. I hope your "bone pit" is far far away from me! ;)
There are two reasons you shouldn't worry. One, I'm a professional. Two, when you inevitably come in close proximity to my bone pit it will be because the Kohr-Ah have annihilated your puny species as per the Eternal Doctrine.

[CrazyAsano]

Thankfully, you can still kill a girl, take her clothes off, and punch her in the tits.
Allow me to present Stabbed in the Tit -- A Tribute to Chacranajxy (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/sewrratt/ScreenShot13.jpg) (probably NSFW)

[Chacranajxy]

Thankfully, you can still kill a girl, take her clothes off, and punch her in the tits.
Allow me to present Stabbed in the Tit -- A Tribute to Chacranajxy (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/sewrratt/ScreenShot13.jpg) (probably NSFW)

Thank you.

I was called here by hyuummmins who wish to pay ME tribute!